Flying pike

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Flying pike

During tests, the KSSch rocket sank a lot more warships than any other anti-ship missile in the world.

On a clear sunny day, September 9, 1943, the Italian squadron, on the orders of the new government, went from La Spezia to Malta to surrender to the Allies. Ahead - the strongest battleship of the Italian fleet "Roma" with a displacement of 46 thousand tons. Suddenly the signalman noticed subtle points - aircraft. The clock was 15 hours 33 minutes. Most likely, these are allied aircraft, thought on the battleship. But even if they are German, then from such a height it is possible to hit a ship with a bomb only by chance. But exactly eight minutes later a large bomb hit the deck of the battleship, which pierced the ship through, but fortunately the Italians exploded already in the water under the bottom. Ten minutes later, a second bomb broke through the deck and exploded inside the ship. The bow, 381 mm three-gun tower weighing 1400 tons, flew into the air, rotating. The battleship broke in half and disappeared under the water. Together with the ship, 1253 people were killed. The third bomb hit the battleship Italy, which miraculously managed to stay afloat.



Engine bomb


How did the Germans manage to get into the Italian battleships from a height of 6 km? Italians experienced the effects of the world's first radio-controlled bombs, or, as the creators called them, aerial torpedoes. Even during the tests begun in May 1940, the Germans found out that the bomb dropped quickly began to lag behind the carrier aircraft and it became difficult for the bombardment operator to observe it. In this regard, it was decided to equip the planning bomb with an outboard liquid-jet engine. So there appeared the world's first guided anti-ship missiles Hs 293 and Hs 294. The most perfect and effective was Hs 294. Starting weight rocket Hs 294 - 2175 kg. The aerodynamic design of the rocket is normal aircraft. The height of the missile discharge is 5,4 km, the flight range is up to 14 km. The highlight of the rocket was that it did not get into the surface, but into the underwater part of the ship, which, as the experience of both world wars showed, was the most vulnerable.

Hs 294 was controlled so that approximately for 30-40 m to the target ship, the rocket entered at a small angle into the water and moved there horizontally at a shallow depth at a speed of 230-240 km / h. When the rocket touched the water, the wings, the back of the fuselage and the engines were separated, and the warhead (warhead) moved under water and hit the side of the enemy ship.


Cruise missile KSSH. Brief TTD


Winged Farm Machines


At the end of the war, several samples of the Hs 293 and Hs 294 became trophies of the Red Army. In 1947, KB2 of the Ministry of Agriculture took up their revision. No, this is not a typo, indeed, guided cruise missiles (then they were called missile planes) were in charge of the Minister of Agricultural Engineering. Based on Hs 293 and Hs 294, work on reactive aviation RAMT-1400 "Pike" marine dashboard. However, to bring the option of air-based "Pike" failed. Instead, in 1954, work began on the creation of the ship version of the "Pike", called the KSSh - the ship-based projectile "Pike", which was equipped with a homing radar. The firing range was determined by the capabilities of the radar of the carrier ship. GOS captured the target at a distance of 20-25 km, its search sector was 150 to the right and left.

Start KSSH was made using a powder accelerator, which, after testing 1,3 with dropped. The AM-5A aircraft turbojet engine with 2,0-2,6 tonnage was used as a cruise missile. This engine was used on the Yak-25 fighter jets, and it was intended to use engines that had developed a resource from aircraft.



Flying freak


The first sample of the Shchuka rocket wished to see Tupolev himself. He silently walked around the rocket for a long time, and then said: “This work is a little like a rocket. This is an aerodynamic freak. ” The designers lost their heads. Everyone was waiting for the master to say something else. And he said, “Yes. Freak. But it will fly! ”

The first launch of the KSSC at the Sandy Beam range near Theodosia took place on July 24 1956. The rocket was supposed to shoot at 15 km, but, rising to a height of 1180 m, it flew in a straight line at 60,15 km. In total, until the end of the year, seven more launches of the KSSC were conducted, of which four were considered satisfactory.

Simultaneously with the tests in absolute secrecy, an urgent equipping of the 61-EM "Bedovy" project head destroyer of the 56-EM "Bedovy" project under construction with the SM-59 launcher and seven missiles was being carried out at the 57 shipyard of the Communard in Nikolaev. Later, they began to build the destroyer of the XNUMX project with two launchers.

The first launch of the Pike from the “Bedovoy” took place on 2 in February of 1957 in the Feodosiya area near Cape Chowda. The first pancake came out lumpy: after the start, the KSSH got the height of 7580 m, the starting engine was still working, but the rocket had already begun to fall on the left wing. It became clear that the autopilot roll channel was not functioning. When the starter engine separated from the rocket, it began to collapse even more to the left, turned upside down and fell into the water 2,2 km from the ship on the 16 second flight. During the second launch of 15 in February 1957, the KSSH flew 53,5 km and fell into the sea. Targets, like the first start, was not.


The launch accelerator PRD-19M and the combat unit of the cruise missile KSSCH. Brief TTD


According to their


In the future, the corps of the unfinished leader “Yerevan” and the German landing barge BSN-20 were used as targets. Both targets were equipped with corner reflectors raised above the deck on a special farm with a height of 6 m (both targets imitated by their reflectivity the American light cruiser of the Cleveland type), surface network along the entire length of the deck on masts 69,5 m and underwater network along the entire length 10 m targets

Total targets produced 20 starts. 30 August 1957, the KSSH got into the board of "Yerevan". Despite the fact that the warhead warhead was inert, a hole 2,0 x 2,2 m was formed in the board, and the leader quickly sank.

September 6 rocket was released on a radio-controlled boat, marching with 30-nodal speed at Cape Chauda. A direct hit was achieved, the boat broke into two parts and sank.

In early November, tests of missiles of the KSSH were transferred to the Balaklava area, where the citadel (central part) of the unfinished heavy cruiser “Stalingrad” was used as a target. Prior to that, artillery and torpedo firing were carried out in the Stalingrad compartment, and aviation practiced all types of bombing. During the shooting the team did not leave the target. It was believed that the armor "Stalingrad" (board - 230-260 mm, deck - 140-170 mm) reliably protect the crew. 27 December 1957 of the year the rocket, flying 23,75 km, hit the board of the "Stalingrad". As a result, a figure-eight hole appeared in the board, with a total area of ​​55 m 2.
October 29 1957 of the year during the launch of the 16-th rocket during the state tests there was a funny incident. The KSSC missile, instead of rushing along the guide, began to crawl slowly and after some seconds fell overboard. No one noticed that the rocket jumped into the sea without a starting engine.

From the stupor of all brought the heart-rending cry of the watchman signalman: "Polundra! A bomb is falling on the ship! ”The heads of all rallied upwards. Indeed, the ship fell ... but not a bomb, but a starting engine. It seemed that he was about to crash into a destroyer. People rushed to hide. Fortunately, everything worked out: the starting engine, revolving strongly around its longitudinal axis, fell into the sea in 35 m from the nasal cheekbone of “Poor”.

Can-opener


Curious shooting in 1961, the destroyer "Wrathful" on the destroyer "Boky" - the first target ship, which retained all the superstructure, artillery installations and torpedo tubes. At the same time, “Boyky” was not put on the barrels and constantly changed its position from the drift.

At the time of launch, the rocket and the target were in the same diametral plane. The rocket hit the target in the joint of the deck and side, at the base of the rack of the stern flag. The result was a ricochet, and the rocket went along the median plane of the ship above the deck, sweeping away everything in its path. At first they were stern gun turrets, then superstructures with a rangefinder station located on them, then stern torpedo tubes. Everything was swept overboard, right up to the forecastle.

Next, the rocket entered along the forecastle, cutting it like a can opener, and got stuck in the area of ​​the nose 130-millimeter cannon. In this case, the dockmaster fell on one side, and the bridge with the control tower and another 130-millimeter cannon - on the other. If the flight of the rocket had not been filmed on a film, no one would have believed that this could be done with the ship with one rocket, and even with an inert warhead.

The shooting of the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser in June 1961 was no less spectacular. Firing from a distance of 68 km led rocket ship "Perspicacious". The rocket hit the board of the cruiser and formed a hole in the form of an inverted eight, with an area of ​​about 15 m 2. Most of the hole was made marching engine, and the smaller - warhead inert equipment. This hole alone was not enough. The rocket pierced the cruiser from side to side and left the starboard side of the cruiser just below the foremast. The exit hole was an almost circular hole with an area of ​​about 8 м2, while the bottom hole cut turned out to be 30-35 cm below the waterline, and while the rescue service reached the cruiser, he managed to take about 1600 t of outboard water. In addition, the cruiser spilled kerosene residues from the tanks of the rocket, and this caused a fire that extinguished about 12 hours. The cruiser prepared for decommissioning did not have anything wooden on board, but the fire was literally raging - iron was burning, although it is difficult to imagine.

For the life of the cruiser fought the entire Black Sea Fleet. With great difficulty, "Admiral Nakhimov" was saved and assigned to Sevastopol.

Champion


The KSSH was the first ship-to-ship missile in the world. The rocket was not exported, and therefore it failed to take part in local wars. But during the tests, she sank a lot more warships than any other anti-ship missile in the world.

The latest launches of the KSSH missiles took place in 1971, in the Kerch area, from the Elusive rocket ship. The ship fired five missiles that were supposed to be intercepted by the newest “Storm” air defense system. The KSSH missiles flew at an altitude of about 60 m, and none of them was shot down.
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  1. +5
    18 December 2022 06: 51
    And it would be nice to have now in large quantities, active-reactive bombs from the beginning of the article.
    1. +1
      18 December 2022 07: 31
      In fact, all air-to-surface cruise missiles are the conceptual descendants of the drowned Italian battleship.
      1. +5
        18 December 2022 07: 39
        The gloomy Teutonic genius, decades later, gives rise to the invention of effective weapons in other countries.
        1. +10
          18 December 2022 10: 00
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          The gloomy Teutonic genius, decades later, gives rise to the invention of effective weapons in other countries.

          Well, we outdid the "weapon geniuses of the Wehrmacht". The last German self-propelled gun "Hetser" was scrapped in the 80s. Our T-44s and IS-2s were in reserve until the 95th. The T-34 fought in Yugoslavia and the Donbas. However, today we are returning the D-1 howitzers of the 1943 model to service, and Ukraine is threatening us with the DA-27. Is it really worth it to rejoice?
          1. +3
            18 December 2022 21: 24
            Are you talking about Swiss G-13s?
            So they were no longer Teutonic, but Czechoslovak.
            If you "dig" in the warehouses of the United States, Britain and other "democrats", you will surely find many products of the middle and late 20th century.
        2. +6
          18 December 2022 11: 52
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          The gloomy Teutonic genius, decades later, gives rise to the invention of effective weapons in other countries.

          Hitler's Germany was ahead of the whole planet in design thought and technology, especially in the creation of hired and air-based missiles and air defense missiles. But now they are buying American "Patriot", developed by exported German designers
          1. +6
            18 December 2022 15: 23
            Hitler's Germany was ahead of the whole planet in design thought and technology

            Well, it's still not worth it. Far from everywhere the Germans were "ahead of the rest of the planet."
            In particular, the vaunted German rifle school never managed to create their own high-quality automatic rifle, they simply copied the 120-mm mortar from ours, the German RZ-1 parachute for paratroopers is frank squalor, the Germans somehow didn’t work out with a long-range bomber either. etc.
            1. 0
              19 December 2022 15: 16
              Quote: Bogalex
              quality automatic rifle

              It worked, FG-42. Another thing is that an automatic rifle chambered for a full-fledged cartridge involves alloyed steels, and a high production price, which is why the release was small. But structurally, it's brilliant. Check out the 3D Gunner channel at work of its automation.
              Quote: Bogalex
              German parachute RZ-1 for paratroopers - candid

              the result of their concept is a universal secondary education, and an increase in the speed of descent so that there are fewer shots in the air.
              1. +1
                20 December 2022 15: 00
                There is nothing genius about it. Moreover, the American M-60 with all its jambs is a direct descendant of the FG-42. Read user reviews about it at your leisure.
                And yes, of course - to create an expensive automatic rifle, which turned out to be impossible to produce in the conditions of mass armies - this, presumably, is a sign of the genius of design thought. Just a gift for the country's military industry!
          2. +1
            18 December 2022 15: 23
            Quote: carpenter
            Hitler's Germany was ahead of the whole planet in design thought and technology

            Let me disagree. It’s quite possible to launch raw structures into production. But according to the "design idea" - this is unlikely ..
            1. +8
              18 December 2022 16: 47
              Quote: mat-vey
              It’s quite possible to launch raw structures into production. But according to the "design idea" - this is hardly ..

              Whatever it was, but the first ballistic missile, the first jet aircraft were made in Germany, but not in the USA.
              1. 0
                18 December 2022 17: 23
                Quote: carpenter
                By launching raw structures into production, it’s quite possible.
              2. Alf
                +2
                18 December 2022 22: 31
                Quote: carpenter
                Made in Germany, not USA.

                And if you look even more closely, it turns out an interesting picture - in the USA they really couldn’t invent anything breakthrough, even in order to get a normally working licensed Merlin, they had to bring British workers. Of course, you can remember about the vigorous loaf, but the humor is that it is enough to read Groves' book, which clearly states that half of the physicists in Manhattan did not believe in success at all.
                1. +1
                  19 December 2022 06: 33
                  Quote: Alf
                  And if you look even more closely, it turns out an interesting picture - in the USA they really couldn’t invent anything breakthrough

                  "The first working experimental rocket engine was built by the American inventor Robert Goddard in 1926. ".... and so on and so forth ... And what did they experiment with in the USSR and what a flight of design thought was ... Only in the USSR there were realists no matter where at that moment .. though dreamers ..
                2. 0
                  20 December 2022 10: 22
                  British workers had to be brought in to get a normally working licensed Merlin.


                  This is a normal process when specialists, who already produce this engine, are attracted to establish production.

                  And if you look even more closely, it turns out an interesting picture - in the USA they really couldn’t invent anything breakthrough


                  What does it mean to invent? From scratch a concept, the first sample or what?
                  The B-29 was very breakthrough, the most successful strategic bomber, which also combined a bunch of innovations, such as very powerful trouble-free engines and remote-controlled turrets. And who invented radio fuses? Well, the British came up with the concept, but they couldn’t launch it at home, in the end only the Americans were able to do it.
              3. Eug
                +1
                19 December 2022 12: 06
                And the first assault rifle under the "intermediate" cartridge Stg -44
                1. +1
                  19 December 2022 12: 16
                  The first mass ... and again raw ...
                  1. +1
                    19 December 2022 15: 19
                    It is no coincidence that the AK-47 was accepted with the wording that "it does not meet the requirements for accuracy from unstable positions, but there is no other way," and then they were soon changed to AKM.
                    1. 0
                      19 December 2022 15: 30
                      Quote: eule
                      and then soon changed to AKM.

                      Well, “changed” doesn’t quite describe, uh ... the process ... There was a whole competition not easy ... But a masterpiece in this struggle has matured ...
              4. +1
                20 December 2022 15: 03
                Yes, yes, this is exactly what it was worth spending the precious resources of a country that is fighting not for life, but for death.
                The result for the government and the leadership of the armed forces, who made such brilliant decisions, we all know very well from the history books.
            2. Alf
              +5
              18 December 2022 22: 25
              Quote: mat-vey
              But according to the "design idea" - this is unlikely ..

              You can draw anything, but to make it fly, shoot and drive "as it should" and not "how it will turn out" is very difficult, as they say "huge distances".
              I will cite two of the most unique books on the wunderwaffe, so much has been invented there ... In particular, there are so many delta-wing and tailless aircraft, but they could only be made to fly by the end of the 20th century.
              1. 0
                19 December 2022 06: 31
                Quote: Alf
                .In particular, there are so many delta-wing and tailless aircraft, but they could only be made to fly by the end of the 20th century.

                I don’t want to disappoint you ... But on October 21, 1947, this is not the end, but rather the middle of the 20th century. And the choice was made not in favor of "raw, but advanced design ideas", but in favor of a more reliable and proven design. TE - Nortyor YB-49 preferred Convair B-36.
                And tailless and flying wings at the level of advanced design ideas flew both in the USA and in the USSR ... And so almost everywhere "we will be ahead of the time for German advanced design ideas." Starting from missiles and ending with an atomic bomb. began...
      2. +1
        18 December 2022 08: 26
        You mean drowned? He was dragged to the port
        1. +5
          18 December 2022 09: 36
          Quote: SARANCHA1976
          You mean drowned? He was dragged to the port

          From the article:
          But exactly eight minutes later, a large bomb hit the deck of the battleship, which pierced the ship through and through, but fortunately for the Italians it exploded already in the water under the bottom. Ten minutes later, a second bomb penetrated the deck and exploded inside the ship. The bow 381-millimeter three-gun turret weighing 1400 tons flew into the air, spinning. The battleship broke in half and disappeared under water. Together with the ship, 1253 people died. The third bomb hit the battleship "Italia", which miraculously managed to stay afloat.

          Two Italian battleships were attacked: Roma and Italy. The first one was sunk, the second one was damaged.
      3. +1
        18 December 2022 09: 04
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        In fact, all air-to-surface cruise missiles are the conceptual descendants of the drowned Italian battleship.

        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        In fact, all air-to-surface cruise missiles are the conceptual descendants of the drowned Italian battleship.

        CR is a purpose-built aircraft. And the UABs were sometimes built on the basis of a regular bomb. The CH and rudders were "screwed" in front. The plumage and TTU were behind. hi
        1. +5
          18 December 2022 09: 49
          For clarity, I will give images of Hs-294 and 293.


          I think the issue with the “feathers screwed to the bomb” disappeared on its own.
        2. +7
          18 December 2022 14: 46
          If we take specifically the defeat on September 9, 1943 of the battleships Roma and Italy, then both ships received gifts in the form of Fritz-X planning guided bombs.

          I agree she is closer to the KAB than the KR.
          1. +1
            19 December 2022 15: 21
            Moreover, behind the "fritz" with television equipment, there was a wire connecting it to the aircraft, there are 10 and 15 km of the coil, where I don’t remember how many.
            1. +1
              19 December 2022 15: 32
              There were several radio channels not there. And for the operator, the tracers shone. The British quickly saw through everything and began to interfere ..
      4. -1
        18 December 2022 13: 19
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        In fact, all air-to-surface cruise missiles are the conceptual descendants of the drowned Italian battleship.

        Why is R-301 not conceptual for you?
        1. +1
          18 December 2022 14: 49
          Quote: mat-vey

          Why is R-301 not conceptual for you?

          Where is it written for me?
          1. -1
            18 December 2022 15: 13
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Where is it written for me?

            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            In fact, all air-to-surface cruise missiles are the conceptual descendants of the drowned Italian battleship.

            this is not written about the R-301? Or was there a different "concept"?
  2. -2
    18 December 2022 07: 35
    The last launches of KSCH missiles took place in 1971 in the Kerch region from the Elusive missile ship. The ship fired five missiles, which were supposed to be intercepted by the latest Storm air defense system. The KSSh missiles flew at an altitude of about 60 m, and not one of them was shot down


    This is how Soviet designers worked and did! Many years have passed from the invention to the last launches, but the latest air defense system could not bring them down! Why?
    All liberals today denounce the former "sharashki" with all their voices. And outstanding designers worked in these special design bureaus! And it is a sin now to curse those people and those times. Thanks to them, we had a calm and confident future!
    1. +5
      18 December 2022 07: 59
      it was supposed to intercept the newest air defense system "Storm". The KSSh missiles flew at an altitude of about 60 m, and not one of them was shot down

      This is how Soviet designers worked and did!

      The latest air defense system failed to intercept the target. Why was this example given at all? feel

      I missed a subsonic thing of this size five times in a row
      Many years have passed from the invention to the last launches, but the latest air defense system could not bring them down! Why?

      SAM was unfinished
      1. +3
        18 December 2022 16: 09
        Quote: Santa Fe
        The latest air defense system failed to intercept the target. Why was this example given at all?
        For a catchphrase.

        Quote: Santa Fe
        SAM was unfinished
        He initially could not hit targets below 100 meters.
    2. 0
      18 December 2022 11: 47
      This is how Soviet designers worked and did! Many years have passed from the invention to the last launches, but the latest air defense system could not bring them down! Why?

      Yes, because the latest air defense system was created by other Soviet designers, but by 1971, it turns out, the degradation of design schools was already underway. Or do you have another answer?
      1. +1
        18 December 2022 16: 07
        Quote: UAZ 452
        but by 1971, it turns out, the degradation of design schools was already underway.

        Really? Nothing that the "Storm" of those years had a lower limit of defeat of 100 meters? Degradation, hand face...
        1. -1
          18 December 2022 19: 34
          Really? Nothing that the "Storm" of those years had a lower limit of defeat of 100 meters? Degradation, hand face...

          No, not degradation - negative progress, damn it ... Or is it normal - when an air defense system developed in 1971 has a lower damage limit of 100 meters, and even anti-ship missiles of 1956 fly at altitudes of 60 meters? And who came up with the brilliant idea to develop a complex whose performance characteristics were not even theoretically allowed to intercept even decommissioned missiles? To customers from the Moscow Region or to Soviet designers themselves? How did you write hand-face? Truly!
          And why was it necessary to spend even outdated missiles for testing, if, based on the performance characteristics, the worthlessness of the tested air defense system was clear? I would have recovered from such figures the cost of five vainly ruined targets.
          If such a negative progress took place from 1956 to 1971, then it is not surprising that that country simply ended after two decades. Well, the current Russian designers are the heirs of those brilliant Soviet ones, an example of the genius of which you and the author of the article convincingly demonstrated.
          1. -1
            19 December 2022 04: 55
            Quote: UAZ 452
            Or is it normal - when an air defense system developed in 1971 has a lower limit of destruction of 100 meters, and even anti-ship missiles of 1956 fly at altitudes of 60 meters?

            Imagine, in the confrontation between the shield and the sword - the sword usually leads. Oh yes, "Storm" began to be developed in 59, so it is.
            Quote: UAZ 452
            And who came up with the brilliant idea to develop a complex whose performance characteristics were not even theoretically allowed to intercept even decommissioned missiles?

            In 59 then? When did the USSR have any anti-ship missiles in any form? It came to someone, and it’s good that they didn’t decide like you.
            Quote: UAZ 452
            And why was it necessary to spend even outdated missiles for testing, if, based on the performance characteristics, the worthlessness of the tested air defense system was clear?
            Didn’t it occur to you that what determined the capabilities of the air defense system, that some kind of modernization was carried out, or that the armament of a particular ship could be tested at all?

            Quote: UAZ 452
            I would have recovered from such figures the cost of five vainly ruined targets.
            Well, it’s useless to remind such as you about the expiration dates of products. Well, I wrote about your place in decision-making.

            Quote: UAZ 452
            No, not degradation - negative progress, damn it ...
            Degradation is not when you are dumb at once, but gradually becomes dumber. (if I'm not talking about Soviet designers lol ) And when an imperfect air defense system improves, and then is completely replaced by others, and even on the basis of unsuccessful tests, this is progress, advancement, development.
            1. 0
              19 December 2022 06: 59
              Oh yes, "Storm" began to be developed in 59

              And they couldn’t bring it to the minimum readiness for 12 years? "Pike", according to the article, was developed much faster. And this is not "negative progress"? And over these 12 years, the complex has not been taught to shoot down anti-ship missiles, which are already in service at the time of the start of its development?
              In 59 then? When did the USSR have any anti-ship missiles in any form?

              And here is the year 1959? We are talking about 1971, when the "newest" (as in the article) air defense systems were tested. And then no one in the world had such? Well, yes, "there are no analogues" - it also went from there.
              It came to someone, and it’s good that they didn’t decide like you.

              The only, in essence, your argument. I don’t have any more questions, I don’t see any point in continuing the discussion with an individual who compensates for the lack of logic and the ability to prove his point of view with personal attacks. All the best!
              1. 0
                19 December 2022 15: 05
                Quote: UAZ 452
                And they couldn’t bring it to the minimum readiness for 12 years?
                If it’s not clear to you yet, then in 59 the task of intercepting low-altitude targets was not set for the air defense system. And they developed the complex, except for the rocket, from scratch.

                Quote: UAZ 452
                "Pike", according to the article, was developed much faster. And this is not "negative progress"?
                Not only was the Pike based on German designs and a ready-made engine, but it also had to hit a huge low-speed target. But you are not interested.

                Quote: UAZ 452
                And over these 12 years, the complex has not been taught to shoot down anti-ship missiles, which are already in service at the time of the start of its development?
                Why shoot down your own rocket? The Americans did not have such missiles for a long time.

                Quote: UAZ 452
                And here is the year 1959? We are talking about 1971, when the "newest" (as in the article) air defense systems were tested.
                Well, under the fool, just mow when there is nothing to answer. And Shirokorad is not a very accurate historian of weapons.

                Quote: UAZ 452
                I don’t see which compensates for the lack of logic and the ability to prove one’s point of view with personal attacks.
                As usual, people who do not really know it write to me about the lack of logic. As for personal attacks, I do not respect people who spit on elementary logic.

                Quote: UAZ 452
                All the best!
                Sayonara!
                1. 0
                  21 December 2022 18: 20
                  Not only was the Pike based on German developments

                  Be ashamed to write this

                  The Germans, even in theory, did not have anything like KSS
                  1. 0
                    22 December 2022 03: 14
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    The Germans, even in theory, did not have anything like KSS

                    Yes, my memory failed me...
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    Be ashamed to write this
                    What kind of nonsense do you sometimes carry ...
          2. +2
            19 December 2022 11: 04
            Quote: UAZ 452
            Or is it normal - when an air defense system developed in 1971 has a lower limit of destruction of 100 meters, and even anti-ship missiles of 1956 fly at altitudes of 60 meters?

            For those years, this is normal.
            "Storm" is a DD air defense system, its task is air defense of a formation at large (for the 70s) ranges - up to 55 km. Low altitudes block other ships of the connection with the Volna air defense system.
            In air defense, the picture was the same - the S-75 and S-200 were long arms, and the MV and PMV closed the S-125 operating with them in conjunction.
    3. +4
      18 December 2022 12: 20
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      All liberals today slander the former "sharashkas" with all their might

      35 years of national betrayal that continues, and the plundering of the country is betrayal.
  3. +10
    18 December 2022 07: 42
    Thanks to the author!

    Interesting, and sometimes just funny article. smile good


    The destroyer "Bedovy" during tests of the KSSH complex.


    Project 56 M destroyer, external view.


    The destroyer "Prozorlivy" with anti-ship missiles P-15M.
    1. +2
      19 December 2022 09: 17
      Thanks to the author!

      I will join. I am very glad that Alexander Borisovich began to be printed on our website.Yes
  4. +12
    18 December 2022 08: 24
    It was believed that the armor of the "Stalingrad" (board - 230-260 mm, deck - 140-170 mm) would reliably protect the crew. On December 27, 1957, the rocket, having flown 23,75 km, hit the side of the Stalingrad. As a result, a hole in the shape of a figure eight appeared in the board, with a total area of ​​55 m2.

    This is the same text, reprinted for decades

    In the original source, they forgot to print a comma. 5,5 m2 total area of ​​the hole

    A hole in the unprotected part of the side, because the rocket did not hit the armor


    A similar example of a rocket hitting the ship "Vereshchagino". Here is something similar to an inverted figure eight and the desired area

    If the KSShch hit the belt plates, then there could be no talk of any hole at all. There are no examples in the history of world battlesso that such “soft” structures as KSShch (also at subsonic!) could penetrate a layer of steel 200+ mm thick. It is to break through, because the warhead was inert
    1. +2
      18 December 2022 12: 39
      Quote: Santa Fe
      A similar example of a rocket hitting the ship "Vereshchagino".
      Here is something similar to an inverted figure eight and the desired area

      What is interesting is that the KSSh rocket hit, right in the toilet (latrine) of the captain, the type of vessel. 502EM, - "Vasily Yakovenko" three hundred tons, the people called "Cobblestone".
    2. 0
      24 January 2023 20: 05
      so she didn’t have the task of punching something. her task is to deliver a warhead that hits under the waterline.
      By the way, Oleg, how are you? How are you, how are you? I watch this cartoon of yours for a long time, it goes to the record! made friends with numbers? how are things with carriers of heavy anti-ship missiles in Russia? still count on fingers?
  5. +3
    18 December 2022 08: 27
    P-1000 Vulkan, I feel, will continue the glorious work. Already without training targets.
    A 7-8-ton fool at supersonic is already invincible and with one kinetics will even pierce Missouri into the main armor belt. Of course, if Myausuri was still listed in the Amer fleet. Museum ship for a long time.
    But the Volcanoes are still in service with the Russian Navy.
    1. +3
      18 December 2022 08: 44
      Quote: Kuroneko
      P-1000 Vulkan, I feel, will continue the glorious work. Already without training targets.
      A 7-8-ton fool at supersonic is already invincible and with one kinetics will even pierce Missouri into the main armor belt. Of course, if Myausuri was still listed in the Amer fleet. Museum ship for a long time.
      But the Volcanoes are still in service with the Russian Navy.

      Therefore, no one builds armored ships. Even Kaptsov has already stopped slamming articles at every opportunity
      1. 0
        18 December 2022 09: 52
        Even Kaptsov has already stopped slamming articles at every opportunity

        He said everything in the last article on this topic, 5 years ago

        All points to a common denominator

        https://topwar.ru/132162-reinkarnaciya-korabelnoy-broni.html
        1. 0
          24 January 2023 20: 06
          yeah. and the disease progresses. talking about himself in the third person...
  6. +9
    18 December 2022 08: 43
    The missile pierced the cruiser from side to side and left the starboard side of the cruiser just under the foremast. The outlet was an almost round hole with an area of ​​about 8 m2.

    Foremast area = frame area 60-62
    The schemes of the ship are known, this allows you to determine which elements met on the path of the rocket

    The missile pierced through the target hull (10 mm skin and a number of steel bulkheads), pierced (otherwise it is impossible to explain why the hole was lower than the overhead line) the flooring of the lower armored deck (50 mm), then pierced the armor belt (100 mm) and exited from the back side.

    The weight of the warhead of the KSCH was 620 kg (as 343 mm shells), the cruising speed of the rocket was 270 m / s. (Two times less than the projectile at the target at a distance of 10 km)

    Are there any examples in the world history of wars that such a slow and “soft” ammunition (the filling factor of the pike warhead is 50%, for comparison, the 343 mm armor-piercing had 2% so that it was strong enough and pierced something) could punch at a high angle two armored barriers (150 mm in total)?

    There are no such examples.

    The article presents an old text of descriptions of damage from KSCH, which is contrary to common sense

    In fact, it is still more interesting, but this is already too many details for one comment.
    1. +2
      18 December 2022 14: 31
      And in a personal, otherwise it’s very interesting hi
      !! Ttttttttt
      1. 0
        19 December 2022 10: 35
        Novel, I would love to write

        But here the discussion went below, if you managed to read, then there will be nothing to surprise you
    2. 0
      18 December 2022 15: 27
      Warhead KSShch 3-meter awl. Will it penetrate 0,15 m of old armor?
      Let's divide by a hundred. Will a 3 cm long steel core penetrate 1,5 mm armor, even if it is subsonic and hollow?
      1. 0
        18 December 2022 20: 23
        Will it break through steel core 3 cm long 1,5 mm armor, even if it is subsonic and hollow?

        Mutually exclusive paragraphs

        Dear, so-called. "awl" - in fact, a thin-walled pipe. The closest thing in terms of design and characteristics will be examples of unexploded high-explosive bombs (because during testing, the Pike was equipped with an inert warhead)

        There were countless examples of such hits, and they all say that such bombs could not penetrate anything, there was neither speed nor strength

        An example is how dive bombers bombarded the Mogami KRT at Midway.


        Mogami defense scheme. Those. we are talking about either a 35 mm deck or a 60 mm bevel

        Based on the hit points and the damage described (and they are known, the cruiser crossed the ocean and returned to Japan), one AB was supposed to fly into the engine room. The second - in the cellar of the bow towers. The result is known, nothing of the kind happened, so the bombs did not break through the horizon. cruiser protection. By the way, they exploded - the Yapis give a description of the extensive destruction and fire in the compartments ABOVE the main armored deck

        Bombs still have the advantage of hitting the target at an angle close to normal. There was no such bonus in the case of KSS. Soft and slow, and at the same time too long ammunition would simply ricochet

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        1. 0
          18 December 2022 21: 02
          If you look at the US damage sheets, you can see that the dive bombers hit at an angle of 40-45 degrees. And the speed is low.
          1. 0
            19 December 2022 10: 26
            it can be seen that dive bombers hit at an angle of 40-45 degrees. And the speed is low.

            You only considered 1 case, Franklin

            by then, an aircraft, possibly a Yokosuka D4Y Judy dive bomber or an Aichi D3A Val dive bomber, had broken the cloud cover and strafeed Franklin.


            For dive bombers of that era, the value of the safe dive speed is ~ 600 km / h, a typical angle is 70 degrees

            After the release, the trajectory of the bomb becomes even more steep, there is nowhere to add a horizontal velocity component
            1. 0
              21 December 2022 17: 44
              Well, no need to dissemble - such cases: at least eat with a spoon. They are just typical.
              1. 0
                21 December 2022 18: 57
                Steep fall trajectories, can't you see

                Here is from the same series. Not a dive bomber, but how sheerly bombed
                1. 0
                  21 December 2022 19: 01
                  Erm, I see some hits. And half of them are not cool.


                  Well, it’s not dive bombers and they should bomb it vertically
        2. 0
          19 December 2022 05: 28
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/USS_Franklin_%28CV-13%29_war_damage_report_%2801%29_19_March_1945.jpg
          If we put pressure on this version, then it would be logical for Euclid lovers to assume that it was the warhead that pierced the grates and the double bottom, and not the blade from the engine explosion
          1. 0
            19 December 2022 10: 32
            Any version looks more believable than the old tale indicated in the article

            Holes or seams in the plating parted from the concussion and from the explosion, I don’t know Ivan. For the indicated effect (1600 tons of water in a few hours), a huge hole was not required

            Here's what happened

            Taking the hydrostatic head at a depth of 6 meters, the area of ​​the hole, even for the minimum 0,01 m2, and coefficient permeability (mu) for 0,6, we get 237 tons of water per hour
            1. 0
              19 December 2022 12: 30
              Any?
              For example: did the Yak engine blade break through a 50mm grate and a double bottom? Rave
              1. 0
                19 December 2022 12: 45
                Special found that article, seven years ago


                Nowhere is it written about the Yak turbine blade
                1. 0
                  19 December 2022 12: 52
                  The casing of air ducts, pipes is not closed from above with armored grates at the level of bp? Maybe even in the towers of the Civil Code, the hatches are open, like in a tank?
                  Okay, the engine exploded, and? What pierced the grates and the hull?
                  1. 0
                    21 December 2022 18: 59
                    Okay, the engine exploded, and? What pierced the grates and the hull?

                    For a hole of this size (the flow of water is several hundred tons per hour), it is enough that the seams of the skin have diverged, from an explosion and shaking
                    1. 0
                      21 December 2022 19: 11
                      The seams may come apart in the bead area. Moreover, a whole armor plate can come off. And for this, you don’t even need an explosion, it will make the warhead from the inside. Or just hit the bottom.
                      But what is an engine explosion from an old Yak, I can’t imagine
                      1. 0
                        21 December 2022 19: 43

                        If the CD had hit the VL in the belt, then it would have remained there. Inside the ship, damage and such fires would not have occurred.

                        What to pierce the ship through - first the unprotected part of the side, all the bulkheads and hit the belt on the opposite side, for this it would be necessary to pierce the main deck, which, at such a speed and an angle of meeting almost flat, is incredible
                        But what is an engine explosion from an old Yak

                        Have you ever seen a plane explode when it crashes?
                      2. 0
                        21 December 2022 20: 26
                        The meeting angle is easy to calculate from the junction of the upper deck to the waterline of the other side.
                        The warhead pierced the armored deck in the area of ​​the pipes. Then the belt from the inside (ok, collapsed down to the bottom). The rest passed over the armored deck.

                        Planes explode on deck, not in the hold. And how do engines explode?
                      3. 0
                        21 December 2022 21: 47
                        Then the belt from the inside (ok, collapsed down to the bottom)

                        Then where could the hole in the opposite side come from. 8 m2
                        Planes explode on deck, not in the hold. And how do engines explode?

                        In general. When falling, a supply of kerosene explodes
                      4. 0
                        22 December 2022 05: 07
                        Quote: Santa Fe
                        Then the belt from the inside (ok, collapsed down to the bottom)

                        Then where could the hole in the opposite side come from. 8 m2
                        Planes explode on deck, not in the hold. And how do engines explode?

                        In general. When falling, a supply of kerosene explodes

                        A hole from the wreckage of the airframe and engine above the bp, + a break from the warhead at the level of vl
                        How much kerosene is in the engine?
                      5. 0
                        21 December 2022 21: 58
                        The warhead pierced the armored deck in the pipe area

                        Grid-irons and lattices of shafts of machine-boiler fans - 125 mm

                        There's even less chance in this place
                      6. 0
                        22 December 2022 05: 08
                        Quote: Santa Fe
                        The warhead pierced the armored deck in the pipe area

                        Grid-irons and lattices of shafts of machine-boiler fans - 125 mm

                        There's even less chance in this place


                        They don't exist for the engine.
                        She broke through the deck in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbpipes, not armored bars
    3. 0
      18 December 2022 17: 44
      Are there examples when a light aircraft engine blade at a large angle pierces a 50mm grate and a double bottom?
      1. +1
        18 December 2022 20: 32
        does a light aircraft engine blade penetrate a 50mm grate and a double bottom at a high angle?

        Vapor explosion of unburned kerosene
        The bottom was damaged in some way.

        The engine and fragments of the rocket body flew into the Moscow Region through the chimney, just under. foremast. The warhead pierced through the hull, above the armored deck
        1. 0
          18 December 2022 21: 00
          Quote: Santa Fe
          does a light aircraft engine blade penetrate a 50mm grate and a double bottom at a high angle?

          Vapor explosion of unburned kerosene
          The bottom was damaged in some way.

          The engine and fragments of the rocket body flew into the Moscow Region through the chimney, just under. foremast. The warhead pierced through the hull, above the armored deck

          There, at the bp level, grates. They need to be pierced with an engine blade. How?
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  8. +11
    18 December 2022 10: 03
    How did the Germans manage to get into the Italian battleships from a height of 6 km? The Italians experienced first-hand the effects of the world's first radio-guided bombs, or, as their creators called them, aerial torpedoes.

    With all due respect to Mr. Shirokorad and his multifaceted talent as a compiler, I cannot help but notice that the beginning of the article has nothing to do with anti-ship missiles, because Fritz X, which sunk the battleship Roma, is not an anti-ship missile and not an air torpedo, but a guided aerial bomb (UAB) or corrected aerial bomb (KAB).
    The Soviet KAB was the SNAB 3000 "Crab", based on the German Fritz X.

    Yes, and Hs 293 and Hs 294, although they are considered the predecessors of anti-ship missiles, according to the modern classification - KAB.
    Regarding the statement
    The most perfect and effective was Hs 294.
    ,
    then there were no cases of successful use of this "miracle weapon", that is, unlike Hs 293, not a single ship was sunk by it.
  9. +4
    18 December 2022 12: 02
    Well, you can’t call the ship "Bad", well, nothing. Sorry for being off topic.
  10. ban
    +3
    18 December 2022 12: 36
    But is it okay that the FX-1400 that sank Roma is just a guided armor-piercing bomb, without an engine, falling vertically?

    And Hs293 is a guided glide bomb with a jet engine, with a small warhead, which was unrealistic to sink a battleship?

    Yes, this is an afytor laughing
    Anecdotal article
    1. +1
      18 December 2022 16: 48
      Anecdotal article

      It's not in the article. The point is who uploaded this article to the site. It would seem that everyone who is more or less in the subject knows who Shirokorad is. And it seems like the editors of such a resource as VO should know who Shirokorad is. An no. Personnel shortage inexorably absorbs everything around.
      1. 0
        18 December 2022 18: 23
        I have a book, Shirokorad. History of aviation armament 1941-1991. quite an interesting book. and why do you dislike the author so much? what's wrong with him?
        1. 0
          18 December 2022 18: 38
          I re-read a lot of his books, buying. When tyrnet only appeared.
        2. +3
          18 December 2022 22: 25
          What's wrong with him? And it's like with Strelkov-Girkin now - someone wrote with bile, they began to spread something bad about him, those who recognize only "official and" recognized "sources." So there was an opinion among some part about the character, as about some kind of "doubtful" person, far from "real professionalism". Yes
        3. +1
          19 December 2022 11: 09
          Quote: vadivm59
          I have a book, Shirokorad. History of aviation armament 1941-1991. quite an interesting book. and why do you dislike the author so much? what's wrong with him?

          You just need to distinguish the early ABSH, when he wrote about artillery and had access to archives, from the later one, when, after one very unpleasant story, he lost this access and began to sculpt compilations on any topic, citing pieces from other people's works without attribution.
    2. 0
      18 December 2022 23: 45
      This article is 30 years old or so. I don’t remember in which magazine it was first published in the early 1990s (but I have it somewhere). The "History of Aviation Weapons" is just a reprint of this article.
      1. +1
        19 December 2022 18: 42
        Yes, I found this magazine. It's called ROCKETS OVER THE SEA. Supplement to the magazine TECHNIQUE AND WEAPONS. #11-12 for 1997
        1. 0
          19 December 2022 20: 04
          Exactly! But the emnis there is also Shirokorad, so he just copy-pasted himself in the "reference book".
  11. 0
    19 December 2022 21: 27
    On a clear sunny day on September 9, 1943, the Italian squadron, on the orders of the new government, went from La Spezia to Malta to surrender to the Allies. Ahead is the strongest battleship of the Italian fleet "Roma" with a displacement of 46 thousand tons.
    And what are we reading now? That on September 9, 1943, the formation of Italian ships was attacked with the help of
    the world's first guided anti-ship missiles Hs 293 and Hs 294.
    ? fool But nothing that the battleship "Roma" was sunk, and the battleship "Italia" (formerly "Littorio") were attacked by German radio-controlled armor-piercing planning bombs FX 1400 (Fritz X)? This is the death of the battleship "Roma":
    The drop was carried out from specially trained Dornier Do 217 bombers, the flight was carried out from airfields in the Marseille region (Nimes-Garon, Istres). The drop was carried out from a height of 4500 to 6000 m, the distance to the target was 5000 m. September 9, 1943, Major Bernhard Jope chalked up the battleship Roma. Bomb Fritz X:
  12. 0
    17 March 2023 12: 06
    The Fritz X bomb that sank Rome had no engines. In the tail section there was a checker with a combustible composition for visual correction of the bomb trajectory by the operator. Nobody attacked the Italians with any rockets from Henschel.

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