The rocket for the new BZHRK will be made on the basis of the Yars ICBM

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On December 17, on the day of the Strategic Missile Forces, the commander-in-chief of this branch of the army, Colonel-General S. Karakaev, spoke about the plans of the Ministry of Defense for the near future. The commander made several statements regarding both the development of the strategic missile forces as a whole and the development of new projects. In particular, Colonel-General Karakayev said that the supply of new Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles will begin with 2018.

The rocket for the new BZHRK will be made on the basis of the Yars ICBM


One of the most interesting topics touched upon by the commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces was the creation of a new combat railroad missile system (BZHRK). The similar system RT-23UTTH “Molodets” was already in service with the Russian rocket forces, but its operation ceased several years ago in accordance with existing international agreements. Now the Ministry of Defense intends to create a new rail-based missile system.

According to Karakaev, the new BZHRK project will be implemented by the end of this decade. During the first half of next year, the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering (MIT) should complete a preliminary design. The timing of the construction of mass-produced missiles has not yet been announced. Perhaps the new railway missile system will be adopted by 2020 year.

As the commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces told, the rocket of the new railway complex is being created on the basis of the existing RS-24 Yars. The characteristics of this product are quite high and allow you to create a rocket for BZHRK. The launch weight of the rocket will not exceed 47 tons, and the total length of the rocket and its transport and launch container must not exceed the dimensions of a standard railway car. Thus, the new BZHRK in general terms of its appearance will be similar to the old complex Well-done RT-XNUMHUTTH, however, the rocket and other technical means will be made using new technologies.

Such dimensions and weight of the rocket will not lead to an increase in the load on the railway tracks, so that the promising BZHRK will be able to move along any routes without any restrictions. For comparison, it is worth remembering the characteristics of the 15Ж62 rocket of the "Well done" complex. Ammunition weighing more than 100 tons required to create special tools designed to distribute the load from the car-launcher to neighboring cars. Thus, the project of the new BZHRK will be free from some of the shortcomings of the previous one.

About the beginning of the development of a new combat railway missile complex became known in December last year. Such military equipment was recognized as a profitable and convenient component of strategic missile forces. The beginning of the new project was preceded by a discussion in the highest circles of the Ministry of Defense and the leadership of the country. Some time ago, the leadership of the country instructed the military to consider the capabilities of the armed forces in countering prospective foreign systems of the so-called. fast global strike. As part of the analysis of the capabilities of the strategic missile forces, the military considered the prospects for BZhRK class vehicles. The analysis showed that such complexes have a high survivability and are able to cope with the containment of a potential enemy with promising percussion systems.

Information on the development of the draft BZHRK with extensive use of developments on the RS-24 intercontinental rocket “Yars” allows us to build some assumptions. The Yars ICBM has dimensions and weight that roughly correspond to the declared Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces. Thus, the creation of a rocket for the new railway complex can take the path of minor modifications to the equipment without making serious corrections to the product design. Because of this, the most difficult task within the framework of the project is the creation of the ground part of the complex intended for the transportation and launch of rockets.

With a high degree of unification of the new missile with the RS-24 MBR, the firing range may exceed 10-11 thousand kilometers. Given the possibility of launching from almost anywhere in the country, such characteristics will make it possible to attack targets on the territory of all possible opponents. According to various sources, the Yars missile delivers from three to ten warheads to the targets, which determines its combat capabilities and can speak about the prospects of ammunition for the new BZHRK.

As the experience of creating the latest intercontinental ballistic missiles RT-2PM Topol, RT-2PM2 Topol-M and PC-24 Yars shows, the domestic defense industry is capable of developing and building high-performance weapons. So, all of the listed developments of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering have a starting weight of no more than 45-50 tons and are capable of delivering warheads to a range of at least 10 thousand kilometers. This means that on the basis of the existing developments in the coming years, you can create a new combat railway missile system, the characteristics of which will be similar to the capabilities of the RS-24 Yars missile.


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  1. +18
    20 December 2013 08: 40
    Well, that’s all, Europeans and their masters will put pants on their feet from fear ... laughing
    1. +14
      20 December 2013 09: 54
      Good news! Well done!
      Still to overtake such a train to Kaliningrad and for a couple of days to raise the rocket to the starting position ... feel
      1. +6
        20 December 2013 10: 40
        Quote: sancho
        raise the rocket to the starting position ...

        ... :)))
        Dear colleague, lifting a product is already from the field of "irreversible operations", after which only - "start!" Or pns, which is not desirable ...
        fellow
        1. +7
          20 December 2013 15: 25
          Quote: Rus2012
          Dear colleague, lifting a product is already from the field of "irreversible operations", after which only - "start!" Or pns, which is not desirable ...


          If you wish, you can raise the boom outside the fire mode. To do this, you need to launch the PAD (gas generator) and activate the hydraulics of the boom lifting of the TPK, as well as with what I will not tell because it is an amateur activity and an abnormal operation. At the Pioneer, the boom was raised (that is, the hydraulic pump engine was running) from the drive from the running engine (CD) of the chassis, which led to the need to have a system to maintain the CD in the “hot state”, to duplicate the CD launch system with air balloons, etc., which led to unnecessary hemorrhoids and decreased reliability. Elements of this system remained on the Topolin family. in particular, HD air-supply cylinders. Pressure if the memory does not change 7MPa, at least if you start the CD using cylinders (there are two of them), you need to check the pressure of the compressed air using a manometer. If the air pressure in the system is higher than 7 MPa (70 kgf / cm²), the gearbox disables the lower cylinder, while the pressure on the pointer will correspond to the air pressure in the upper cylinder only. If the air pressure in the system is lower than 7 MPa, then with the open valves of both cylinders the pointer will show the same pressure in the upper and lower cylinders. In general, all this is especially fun to start in the winter in severe frost with matujas and curses of personnel. If, of course, the negligent driver did not comply the frequency of engine warming up and the head did not check as a result, the oil in the hydraulics thickened. PAD, unlike compressed air cylinders and the GG drive, will push through in any case.
      2. +8
        20 December 2013 11: 58
        With such a firing range, driving it to Kaliningrad makes no sense. The complex and from the Urals shandarakhnet no worse.
        Is it possible to additionally develop a unified rocket in the same mass and dimensions with a range of 3-4 thousand km by reducing the amount of fuel and a strong increase in the combat load: the number of warheads, decoys and stages of disengagement. So to speak, the "Voevoda" variant with 5-10 warheads. Well, or how much will fit there. For fan coverage of Europe.
        1. FID
          +2
          20 December 2013 13: 35
          Quote: abrakadabre
          With such a firing range, driving it to Kaliningrad makes no sense. The complex and from the Urals shandarakhnet no worse.
          Is it possible to additionally develop a unified rocket in the same mass and dimensions with a range of 3-4 thousand km by reducing the amount of fuel and a strong increase in the combat load: the number of warheads, decoys and stages of disengagement. So to speak, the "Voevoda" variant with 5-10 warheads. Well, or how much will fit there. For fan coverage of Europe.

          And what if in this case be with our country? Europe is too close. The Chernobyl accident does not come to mind?
          1. +8
            20 December 2013 14: 29
            So after all, this will simply mean the revival of medium-range missiles. But on a unified base BZHRK with an increase in the number of warheads to cover a larger territory. No more.
            As you know, the RSD covered Europe in the event of a nuclear Armageddon. If such goodies are launched, this means that the ICBMs will also start in response to those flying in our direction. So a hundred warheads are less, a hundred more, for the ecology is no longer important.
            Just ICBM firing around Europe is uneconomical.
            But from a political point of view, a similar BZHRK, unified with the main ICBM, will force Europe to breathe very accurately.
            If Yars with its 3-5 warheads flies 11000 km, then the RSD in its dimension, I think it will be able to shoot 3-4 individual guidance warheads for 12-15 thousand km (maybe even more). And the secrecy, infrastructure, and missile defense capabilities are the same as those of the BZHRK with ICBMs.
            Of course, this is at the idea level and here we are limited by the INF Treaty.
            1. FID
              +1
              20 December 2013 14: 38
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Of course, this is at the idea level and here we are limited by the INF Treaty.

              You are probably right, but it is painfully reluctant. As a deterrent - yes, but God forbid ....
          2. 0
            21 December 2013 02: 00
            radiation from nuclear weapons is incomparably smaller than from everyday tragedies, for example, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they now live quite comfortably there right after the war, but after Fukushima xs xs xs
        2. AVV
          +2
          20 December 2013 15: 10
          It would be enough, like the pioneers, three pcs., But it would be nice to create a complex that could shoot from under electrified lines without spreading high-voltage wires, but it is possible! Then the possibilities of using the complex from any deployment areas will sharply increase !!!
        3. +5
          20 December 2013 16: 43
          And we also need to build a railway to Kamchatka to import fresh fruit in the winter ... on trailed wagons to the BZHRK !!! fellow
      3. 0
        21 December 2013 10: 41
        Excellent! Yes, just something longish ... By the end of the decade.
    2. +4
      20 December 2013 09: 56
      Yarsa was not necessary for this ... yesterday he listened to the debates of the Bundestag - they were already stealing away from the Iskander ... as children to her God ... It’s even a shame, also like Germans, like me
      1. +11
        20 December 2013 11: 35
        Quote: il grand casino
        they have already stolen from the Iskanders ... as children to her God ... Even ashamed, also like Germans, like me

        A strange picture is drawn, the Bundestag is excited and the NATO Secretary General said that this is a waste of money from Russia, saying that we are not going to attack you. Just deja vu, it seems to have passed this in the late 30s of the last century. So everything new is well forgotten old, since one of the first conditions from the USA was the destruction of the BZHRK, then they will receive a more modern, modernized complex. With which the railway will be easier to work with. True path we go comrades. !!!!
    3. Reasonable, 2,3
      +7
      20 December 2013 14: 52
      But why did they cut it in 2003? Utkin swore in a coffin.
    4. Airman
      +1
      20 December 2013 18: 42
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      Well, that’s all, Europeans and their masters will put pants on their feet from fear ... laughing

      And what, the MIT have already figured out with the Mace and it flies beautifully? And soon our submarines will go to sea on the DB?
      1. Onyx
        0
        20 December 2013 20: 42
        So they don’t plan to put a Mace on the BZHRK
        1. Airman
          0
          20 December 2013 21: 22
          Quote: Onyx
          So they don’t plan to put a Mace on the BZHRK

          They developed the mace, and it does not fly. But will they cope with a missile for the BZHRK? Indeed, if it does not fly, it may fall on some sort of settlement, and not in the sea-ocean.
          1. Onyx
            +2
            20 December 2013 21: 40
            Quote: Povshnik
            They developed the mace, and it does not fly. But will they cope with a missile for the BZHRK?

            So Topol-M and Yars they also developed, and they fly
            Quote: Povshnik
            Indeed, if it does not fly, it may fall on some sort of settlement, and not in the sea-ocean.

            Tests are conducted where there are no settlements
            Problems of the Mace of a Production, and Not a Design Character
            1. Airman
              -2
              21 December 2013 21: 21
              Quote: Onyx

              So Topol-M and Yars they also developed, and they fly

              And who are the general designers at Poplar and Mace?
              1. Onyx
                +1
                22 December 2013 01: 50
                Already there is nothing to complain about, what did they get to the designer gene? Poplar and Mace, indeed, have a different gene. designers, but did I write about Poplar? In Topol-M and Yars gene. the constructor is the same as Bulava - Yuri Solomonov.
    5. 0
      20 December 2013 22: 48
      By and large, it doesn’t matter to us whether they are scared or not. But Russia needs to protect itself as much as possible. The world is getting whiter fragile
    6. +1
      21 December 2013 00: 46
      Kuzkina mother in kind
  2. bubble82009
    +6
    20 December 2013 08: 57
    building a train is half the battle. still need to create infrastructure for the complex. and the infrastructure for the old complex is already destroyed.
    1. +6
      20 December 2013 09: 12
      And for this dirty trick: to find a deaf abandoned dead end and put up a monument to the SIGNATURE of the contract
      1. 11111mail.ru
        +2
        20 December 2013 18: 53
        Quote: Very old
        to put a monument to the SIGNATURE of the contract

        I am for, for, for !!! this ... The project is still from the era of the USSR: Advantages - speed of execution and low cost, in comparison with all other projects. Description: a hole is drilled vertically down to the client's chest. The client's carcass is placed in the pit with the feet down, then the space between the pit walls and the Humpbacked-Marked carcass is tamped with the excavated soil. Then the upper (aerial) part = shoulders and muzzle is whitewashed with lime. That's it, the monument is ready. I assure you: the cheapest project!
    2. +6
      20 December 2013 09: 22
      ... as far as I know, it was precisely the high percentage of infrastructure safety for the BZHRK that served as one of the strong reasons for its modernization and restoration. Of course, I also saw shots with broken and plundered DEPOs, similar to a garbage dump, etc. - this creates the effect of a complete decline, but in fact the technical nature of their destruction is more cosmetic, rather than irreversibly capital. In any case, the entire zero-cycle infrastructure is likely to be more or less preserved or can be restored in an acceptable time frame.
    3. makarov
      +4
      20 December 2013 10: 29
      You should not worry about it, since there is experience, and not small.
    4. +3
      20 December 2013 14: 15
      Quote: bublic82009
      building a train is half the battle. still need to create infrastructure for the complex. and the infrastructure for the old complex is already destroyed

      For your peace of mind, I will clarify that ALL the required infrastructure ALREADY EXISTS - these are ordinary rails.
  3. +9
    20 December 2013 08: 57
    Ryabov Kirill - News No. 1 of the year. This is what a contest is for.
    The return of BZHRK - in the first three
    (in any case, for me - the rattling of the wheels calms, positively affects 140 million!)
  4. +13
    20 December 2013 09: 02
    It is high time! For me personally, the most indicative marker for a really worthwhile weapon is the reaction of a potential adversary (read the USA). If they praise, publish in their military publications, demonstratively "fearing" - then in reality they are not very much afraid or not at all afraid. And this is done so that we have some jingoistic patriots, room strategists and military "experts" to amuse their pride, so that they continue to spend the defense budget on dubious samples. But if the Americans are quietly and on the sly, insistently demanding the priority removal from service / prohibition on strategic offensive arms, say BZHRK, and even ready to pay off money for this, then this is a clear signal that the complex and the idea itself are really good! After all, it is obvious that the ramified and well-developed railway network of Russia is a ready-made infrastructure for the Missile Complex, with a natural excellent disguise for civilian trains, and given our vastness, it is also comprehensive. This compares favorably with unpaved mobile complexes, where routes must be laid, they are limited, many are known and tracked from satellites.
    1. +5
      20 December 2013 09: 25
      Yes, I agree. It seems that the whole complex consisted of 4 cars. To hook such a train to Moscow-Vladivostok and vice versa. Let them ride around the country, stand guard over the Motherland.
      1. Airman
        +1
        20 December 2013 18: 36
        Quote: stayer
        Yes, I agree. It seems that the whole complex consisted of 4 cars. To hook such a train to Moscow-Vladivostok and vice versa. Let them ride around the country, stand guard over the Motherland.

        You are a little mistaken, the train had 2 locomotives in front and behind, the rocket was in the section of "refrigerated cars", there was a command car, l / s life cars and so on. And there were several missiles in the lineup.
    2. Onyx
      +2
      20 December 2013 10: 26
      Quote: DOMINO
      Long overdue!

      Quote: DOMINO
      This compares it favorably with unpaved mobile complexes, where routes must be laid, they are limited, many are known and tracked from satellites.

      Firstly, the decision on the full-scale development of the BZHRK has not yet been made:
      "The power of this composition (BZHRK), taking into account the multiple missile warhead, can be equated to a division with stationary silo complexes. We, preliminary calculating the effectiveness of this development, say that in a retaliatory strike, and especially in a possible retaliatory strike, the effectiveness and the capabilities of the Strategic Nuclear Forces are increasing, "said Karakaev.
      He recalled that to date, the final decision on the completion of the development of the BZHRK has not been made, preliminary design is underway. “Of course, many generations of missilemen regret that there is no such complex today. The Supreme Commander-in-Chief asked me about this, I reported to him that I was for BZHRK,” the general added.
      He noted that the country's leadership set the task of analyzing the economic parameters of this development before the RF Ministry of Defense and, in particular, the Strategic Missile Forces. "This is all that concerns our railway from the point of view of both ensuring traffic, and the railway itself, taking into account the fact that heavy and dangerous military cargo will be moved," Karakaev explained.
      РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131218/984845651.html#ixzz2nzeL3B6M

      Secondly, the areas in which the PGRK are located are, of course, known, but these areas are huge in area, and it is not known to the Americans exactly where this or that launcher is in a field position. Since camouflage measures are applied in all spectra, including radar.
  5. niksup
    +7
    20 December 2013 09: 02
    Reducing the weight of the rocket is a definite plus, because a multi-axle car was easily unmasked from the outside.
  6. +1
    20 December 2013 09: 04
    Is the completion of the rocket and the already (once) existing railway complex required 10 years? The general seems to have froze stupidity.
    1. +2
      20 December 2013 11: 54
      Generals of stupidity do not know how to freeze, and even in such a position. If disruption is allowed with purpose. Well, if you carefully read, you will see that this is not about modernization, but about creating a new complex. Armata is probably a less expensive and high-tech product. How much is it already doing?
    2. Onyx
      +2
      20 December 2013 12: 04
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Is the completion of the rocket and the already (once) existing railway complex required 10 years? The general seems to have froze stupidity.

      Your arithmetic is bad. From 2013 to 2020, seven years, not ten
  7. +3
    20 December 2013 09: 09
    It is written: "on the basis of existing developments" to create from scratch, and not revision-modernization. At the same time, a period of 10 years seems to be quite adequate.
  8. +10
    20 December 2013 09: 11
    Putin said at a press conference that they should not be afraid of the Iskander - this is far from the worst thing Russia can answer. Now in the West there will be a new attack of diarrhea, new, but not the last. laughing
  9. IRKUT
    +1
    20 December 2013 09: 12
    Only now the system of training officers for the BZHRK Mr. Taburetkin eliminated.
    So you still need to reanimate the system of training and education. And it’s very not easy. Knowing many teachers personally, I can assume that it is very difficult to bring them back .. The material base itself is ditched. People went to another job. And some were simply thrown out.
    1. Onyx
      +8
      20 December 2013 10: 31
      Quote: IRKUT
      Only now the system of training officers for the BZHRK Mr. Taburetkin eliminated.

      The BZHRK itself was eliminated as a class even before Taburetkin, what could be the training of officers for the non-existent BZHR after this? It may be enough to blame Taburetkin for all the troubles. Has Taburetkin also ruined the chapel?
    2. Andromed
      0
      April 4 2014 07: 06
      The main base for the training of officers was our PFVKIKU Strategic Missile Forces. he was "ditched" purposefully. Who did it??? Who signed the paper ??? to send them to the mines together with all their relatives. Personnel and teachers can still be assembled, if the Tsar had a desire ...
  10. +3
    20 December 2013 09: 17
    47 tons .. Hurray! In this situation, to bring the camouflage of the composition to the ideal will not be difficult! The main disguise!
    1. +6
      20 December 2013 15: 55
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      47 tons .. Hurray! In this situation, to bring the camouflage of the composition to the ideal will not be difficult! The main disguise!

      The standard isothermal wagon for the transportation of perishable products has a load capacity of 60 tons and a body of 21 * 3,1 m. the same Poplar RT-2PM has a length of TPK 22m. And YaRs only a missile without TPK is almost 22m. So it won’t fit, But Border judging by the dimensions is quite
      1. Onyx
        +3
        20 December 2013 20: 54
        Sergei Karakaev: “Today there are possibilities of disguising the complex as an existing refrigerator car, the length of which is 24 meters with a rocket length of 22,5 meters,” the general said.
        "That is, it (the rocket) calmly lays down in an ordinary railway refrigerator car, the number of axles of the car does not need to be increased, the axle load is permissible, and there is a possibility of movement along any route," the commander concluded.
        РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131218/984839238.html#ixzz2o2DH58d0
        So, if the BZHRK will be created, then they are going to put Yars on it. Boundary - a complex, in fact, of medium range (not for the United States for sure).
        1. +2
          20 December 2013 22: 44
          Quote: Onyx
          "Today there are possibilities of disguising the complex under the existing refrigerator car, the length of which is 24 meters with a rocket length of 22,5 meters.


          Then this is not an isothermal car, but the refrigerator of the Bryansk MSHZ, the so-called sectioner and not an all-metal car. RS-5 - five-car refrigerator section this is called not a wagon. Five-wagon sections of the BMZ with a total volume of 160-200 tons [1] consist of 4 refrigerated wagons, each of which has an engine room with two refrigerators of one-stage compression, operating on Freon-12 (freon). Wagon D, located in the middle of the section, has a diesel generator compartment, which houses diesel generators and the main switchboard. It is reasonable to mask the start group for a five-car standard section, and BMZ produces them as isothermal cars for PU BZHRK. The division then will turn out 15 cars -3 sections of the RS-5. And one locomotive instead of the unmasking three. (There is infa what they do with nuclear power plants)
  11. IRKUT
    +2
    20 December 2013 09: 23
    In addition to this, the fate of the VOSO bodies is not clear, which was entrusted with the role of interaction between the RF Railway and the RF Ministry of Defense. So it's very sad. First we break it, then we write. But in order to build we need competent and trained specialists, and after all they need someone else to teach and instill skills. The university itself, and this is the VTU Railway Department of the Russian Federation in St. Petersburg, was the oldest (95 years ) in the country and the only one in the world (although there is something similar in Canada) was "castrated" beyond nowhere. Officers were fired in droves. Courses were cut. Matbase was sold out. And now you can understand why the restoration takes such a long time. Everything will have to practically begin from scratch. Sad.
    But Taburetkin ,, only the place of work changes ((((
  12. malikszh
    +1
    20 December 2013 09: 49
    I think it’ll quickly build a foundation there !!! For more such trains, at least 12 trains
  13. +3
    20 December 2013 10: 21
    Quote: bublic82009
    building a train is half the battle. still need to create infrastructure for the complex. and the infrastructure for the old complex is already destroyed.

    Well, not so ruined. And most importantly, the weight and dimensions of the rocket fit into the standard railway equipment! This means that the new complex will not need special paths, unlike the old one. It will not require reinforced locomotive couplings that could unmask the complex. And most importantly, he will be able to move everywhere, unlike the old one. By the way, in 2014, it seems like the tests of the Chinese DBC are scheduled, that’s bad.
    1. Onyx
      +3
      20 December 2013 10: 36
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      No need for reinforced locomotive couplings that could unmask the complex

      but the launcher will still need launch supports
    2. +1
      20 December 2013 10: 49
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      By the way, 2014 year seems to have assigned tests of the Chinese DBC, which is bad.

      Dear colleague, we will proceed from the fact that Russia and China will conduct nuclear planning jointly. For example, like the Anglo-Saxons and the same French ...
      After all, we are socially close with the Chinese, as we used to say
    3. +7
      20 December 2013 11: 12
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      By the way, 2014 year seems to have assigned tests of the Chinese DBC, which is bad.


      What to be surprised about China ... but anger is not enough for the Ukrainians' brothers.
      So, in the SIPRI annual published in Russia in 2006 (p. 655) it is noted: “China continues to refine the Dongfeng-31 ICBMs for rail-based operations. These works can be based on the technology of the Soviet BZHRK system. The source of the technology is called Ukraine, where SS-24 missiles were once produced. ”. A report by the US Congressional Research Service (CRS Report, August 2006) on the construction and development of strategic offensive arms in nuclear states states: “China is developing a new mobile soil or rail missile system with ICBMs Dongfeng-31 and Dongfeng-31A. An authoritative publication “Jane” (No. 48, 2008) states: “The military-political leadership of China is developing a mobile ground-based missile system with the Dongfeng-31, -31A ICBMs and, in the future, with the Dongfeng-41 ICBM using design -technological solutions implemented in the creation of Russian mobile missile systems of soil and railway methods of basing. "
  14. +5
    20 December 2013 10: 35
    There were 12 "strategic" trains in the USSR. Each had 3 strategic missiles "Molodets" or "Scalpel". The missile weighed 104 tons and had 10 warheads. The number of "Yars railway" on the train must be increased to 6 units. Yars weighs approx. 50 tons and has 3 to 6 warheads.
    1. +1
      20 December 2013 12: 13
      And in addition to this, life dictates to include in the echelon a couple of special cars with some kind of close air defense, or better with a medium range. Though special wagons, even "Tunguska" on platforms ...
      With a dispersed battle order, they overlap the area with the launch sections.
      1. +1
        20 December 2013 14: 37
        a pair of special wagons with some kind of short-range air defense of a near, and preferably medium, range.

        Not a bad idea. It is generally possible to develop a variant of the S-300-400-500 on a railway platform. "Club" is offered in such a disguised version.
        Or even a specialized layered complex, including mid-near radius or long-medium-near air defense. Such a composition can be quickly and covertly moved to threatened directions. What are the other advantages of such a complex? Let's fantasize.
        1. +2
          20 December 2013 15: 04
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Well, that’s a good idea. You can even develop a variant of C-300-400-500 on a railway platform.

          From the song:
          And the first shouted:
          wherever we want, we go there,
          And we can, if necessary, collapse
          The second answered that the train would pass
          Only where the path is paved.

          And both came down somewhere near Taganrog,
          Among the endless fields
          And each went his own way
          And the train went on its own.

          laughing
          Initially, all military equipment involves transportation - by rail, by sea, by air and by other means of transport.
          Therefore, to do purely railway air defense will obviously limit the capabilities of the complexes
          1. 0
            23 December 2013 10: 17
            Initially, all military equipment involves transportation - by rail, by sea, by air and by other means of transport.
            Therefore, to do purely railway air defense will obviously limit the capabilities of the complexes
            I’m not talking about making the air defense only and exclusively. I speak for an additional modification. Each modification has its pros and cons.
            The mobility of the car chassis for the S-300-400 is also limited by country roads. Especially in forests. The speed of movement is not comparable with the railway option. And the disguise of the launcher on the march is also incomparable in comparison with the railway disguise in the manner of the BZHRK. Moreover, the same BZHRK should be covered in some form of air defense.
  15. +3
    20 December 2013 12: 09
    Quote: Onyx
    Quote: 1c-inform-city
    No need for reinforced locomotive couplings that could unmask the complex

    but the launcher will still need launch supports

    Of course, hydro support will be required, but you must admit that the system for the impulse of a 45 ton rocket will differ from 100 ton and, accordingly, the range of movement is expanding significantly.
    1. 0
      April 28 2014 10: 35
      but you must admit that the system for the impulse of a 45 ton rocket will differ from 100 ton and, accordingly, the range of movement will expand significantly.
      I am still for a 100-ton missile, but with more warheads. The infrastructure is the same. The main start device too. But there are more gifts.
  16. +4
    20 December 2013 12: 18
    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: 1c-inform-city
    By the way, 2014 year seems to have assigned tests of the Chinese DBC, which is bad.

    Dear colleague, we will proceed from the fact that Russia and China will conduct nuclear planning jointly. For example, like the Anglo-Saxons and the same French ...
    After all, we are socially close with the Chinese, as we used to say

    Something they do not look like brothers, in any form. And in my dreams they are not going to coordinate my dreams. So far, China has not provided information on coordinating its nuclear policy with anyone. And medium-range missiles based on medium-range missiles suggest sad thoughts, but against whom?
    1. +1
      20 December 2013 12: 40
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Something they do not look like brothers, in any form. And in my dreams they are not going to coordinate my dreams. So far, China has not provided information on coordinating its nuclear policy with anyone. And medium-range missiles based on medium-range missiles suggest sad thoughts, but against whom?

      The saying "Russian and Chinese are brothers forever!" ... you can't say "American with Chinese ..." - it turns out awkwardly :)))
      As for their RSD, for them they have many goals, and without us - in India and beyond ...
      In addition, a good BPCR comes out with RSD, but they need it;)

      As for coordination, they will never write about this anywhere ...
      But, if we and the Chinese are in the list of goals of the 3,14 Russia, will you have to coordinate, don’t you?
      And yet, I remember the times when our relationship was - splashed. And even then, our "sights" with irony and sarcasm treated the third-order lists of potential targets, like - "well, it is unlikely that it will come to this ...".
      It is clear that the primary goals are the Yankees, the second - euronato ...
      So, there are vague suspicions that all this was - a game for the public;)))
  17. +1
    20 December 2013 12: 18
    The boats were cut off and the trains abandoned, and the aircraft on Stalin's planes are holding, but the lighter was taken out into space. They should be proud of their homeland and defend it, but it’s a shame for the country.
    1. Onyx
      +2
      20 December 2013 12: 26
      Quote: nazgul-ishe
      The boats were cut off and the trains abandoned, and the aircraft on Stalin's planes are holding, but the lighter was taken out into space. They should be proud of their homeland and defend it, but it’s a shame for the country.

      Be proud of Poplars-M with Yars
      1. +1
        20 December 2013 15: 21
        No pride one peal.
        1. Onyx
          0
          20 December 2013 21: 48
          Quote: nazgul-ishe
          No pride one peal.

          Where is the chime?
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  18. +6
    20 December 2013 13: 29
    Quote: nazgul-ishe
    The boats were cut off and the trains abandoned, and the aircraft on Stalin's planes are holding, but the lighter was taken out into space. They should be proud of their homeland and defend it, but it’s a shame for the country.

    A lighter in space must also be able to make. And to live in orbit for half a year amers, we have taught and are teaching.
  19. +4
    20 December 2013 14: 37
    Good news. Then it is likely that the "dead hand of the Kremlin" will be put on alert again and the Yankees and NATO will become completely sad. And the Iskanders and Clubs-K, which have already been deployed, will be enough for the Geyrope. how many Clubs and where they know a few. Go track all the containers in the world.

    PS: For Iskander from a promising winged R-500, ammunition is molded with a range of 2,500-5000 km.
  20. +1
    20 December 2013 15: 51
    Quote: niksup
    for a multi-axle car was easily unmasked from the outside.

    With any external visual camouflage, the train really "shines", so there is no question of real secrecy.
    Quote: IRKUT
    the officer training system for the BZHRK Mr. Taburetkin eliminated.

    And here is the current state of the training and barracks corps of the PVVKIKU RV, where officers were trained for the BZHRK. The whole complex of the school today is privately owned.
    1. 0
      20 December 2013 15: 54
      I recognize the city of Perm. Now there are only offices in this building. Rather, it is in ruin, and the other wing was given to the comrades.
  21. 0
    20 December 2013 16: 18
    Still, to this complex a trailer of air defense or missile defense equipment (or better, both) - it would be wonderful - they turned around, fired, and if the adversary wants to bomb or get us with rockets, then this is a trailer and come in handy. Although, of course, all this is expensive.
    1. 0
      April 26 2014 03: 09
      Based on the conditions of use, air defense systems as part of the BZHRK are simply not needed.
      For stationary basing areas, it is necessary to provide layered air defense and missile defense
      1. 0
        April 28 2014 10: 39
        Based on the conditions of use, air defense systems as part of the BZHRK are simply not needed.
        Let me disagree. They can bomb the train without knowing that it is a BZHRK. And just as part of the destruction of all freight for the benefit of the front.
  22. +3
    20 December 2013 16: 42
    <<< Such military equipment (BZHRK) was recognized as an advantageous and convenient component of the armament of strategic missile forces. >>>
    Undoubtedly, the new BZHRK as before (it was not for nothing that the Americans "begged" Apohmeltsin to eliminate the old BZHRK) will be a big headache for the Pentagon and other hawks with Russophobia! Even with modern reconnaissance technology, it will be difficult to detect them, which sharply increases their ability to provide an inevitable retaliatory strike against the aggressor with all his global rapid high-precision strikes!
  23. +2
    20 December 2013 18: 05
    Another to say the least mistake of the previous leaders of Russia is corrected feel And it is very correct.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      +2
      20 December 2013 19: 11
      Quote: xomaNN
      the mistake of the former leaders of Russia is being corrected

      So far, these are ordinary statements. God grant that it will come true!
      1. Onyx
        +1
        20 December 2013 20: 46
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Quote: xomaNN
        the mistake of the former leaders of Russia is being corrected

        So far, these are ordinary statements. God grant that it will come true!

        These are not statements, but a preliminary design is underway. No final decision on development
  24. +1
    20 December 2013 18: 39
    I also suggest that the prospective complex should have appropriate hidden armament for the guards.
  25. Leshka
    +1
    20 December 2013 19: 34
    good news
  26. -4
    20 December 2013 23: 12
    The article is wishful thinking. Having destroyed the normal complex unnecessarily, the country's leadership is trying to reassure the public with promises for a very distant future, and this future 2020 will come and they will say, “Well, it didn't work out ... we must wait until 2030, MIT is a master for such tricks, we remember not at night. "Mace". " Further, the possibilities of "Yars" and "Topol" sounded in the article have not been ACHIEVED at the moment. There is not even a question of flights beyond 8-9 thousand km (and 10-11 thousand are announced in the article). In general, MIT will fail this development as well as Bulava. In the best case, the result can be expected no earlier than 2025-2030 ... simply because MIT got down to business ...
    1. Onyx
      +1
      20 December 2013 23: 39
      Quote: I think so
      Further, the possibilities of "Yars" and "Topol" sounded in the article have not been ACHIEVED at the moment. There is not even a question of flights beyond 8-9 thousand km (and 10-11 thousand are announced in the article).

      A recent test launch of the Topol-M unified intercontinental ballistic missile from a mobile launcher was carried out on its maximum range - 11 thousand kilometers... This was announced in an exclusive interview with ITAR-TASS by the director of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, the chief designer of Topley, Yuri Solomonov.
      "The peculiarity of the launch, carried out on April 20, is that it was carried out at the maximum range. Such launches are very difficult with
      organizational and technical point of view. This is due to the fact that the drop point is outside the territory of the Russian Federation, in the Pacific Ocean. And this requires the presence of certain funds at the intended point of fall in order to record the results of the launch. The vessel Marshal Krylov of the Pacific Fleet was used as such a means, "Solomonov said. He noted that this kind of work has not been carried out since 1988. Solomonov stressed that flight tests of the Topol-M complex using a mobile launcher will be completed this year. Answering the question about the firing range during the test launch, he said: “The maximum firing range is not a secret, since the launch point and the reserved drop area are known. This is about 11 thousand kilometers. "
      http://www.newsru.com/world/19feb2004/pro.html
  27. 0
    21 December 2013 14: 52
    Quote: I think so
    but this future 2020 will come and one will say "Well, it did not work out ... we have to wait until 2030, MIT is a master for such tricks, we do not remember the mentioned" Bulava "at night."

    I tend to agree with the skepticism of the author of the comment. MIT makes long missiles with a low missile mass. Here on the forum, the impossibility of placing Poplar and, especially, Yars in a standard carriage was already absolutely justified. So by 2030 we can’t get anything.
  28. -Patriot-
    0
    21 December 2013 15: 12
    As they destroyed in the 90s, so now let them correct their mistakes, so the news is good!
  29. 0
    23 December 2013 01: 40
    But explain to me why in the USA there are only 2 types of ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads - a minuteman and a trident? And how many different things do we have? And ur-100 and r-36 and poplar mine and poplar mobile and blue and mace ... And with submarines the same leapfrog and with tanks! They have an abrams in the latest modification and that's it. And we have t-72 and t-80 and t-64 and t-90 and a bunch of their modifications! This is terribly unprofitable !!!
  30. 0
    5 May 2014 21: 54
    What difference does it make where Poplars and Yars are located - all of them all the same do not fly sideways at the Americans, but only through the north pole. And the charge can be brought to the side by Iskanders. I'm not talking about the Tu-22M missile carriers and about the atomic paddle boats. As for the BZHRK (the Yars missile will not fit in one car), the cut humpback also did not fit. They will do one and a half to two cars.
  31. 0
    8 May 2014 22: 34
    Well, if you restore this project. Its destruction was a crime!

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