And you learn and serve. A colorful picture of the new Russian army

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The main defense department is ready to begin an experiment on attracting students of Russian universities to military service during the period of study at the university. Recall that a few months ago, such an initiative in the Ministry of Defense was discussed. Then the initiators of the idea said that students of Russian universities can be called up for military service, for example, during the summer holidays: this time should be summed up, which will allow the student at the same time receiving a university diploma to also get a military ID with a note about being fired certain wack.

The idea of ​​"intermittent" service in the army for students was subjected to sufficiently substantive criticism from both professional military personnel and the student fraternity itself. The first ones said that “coming to the army” for 2-3 months every year, with breaks for 9-10 months of study at the university, is “nothing”, the second thought that using vacation time for serving in the army is a violation of them constitutional right to rest.

Guided by critical theses, officials of the Ministry of Defense continued to search for ways to solve this complex task. The task itself consisted and continues to be that out of half a million graduates of Russian universities (youths) into the ranks of the Russian army (the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB) are recruited about 11-12%. That is, in the best case, every eighth graduate of civil universities in Russia (from among young men) puts on an army uniform. Obviously, if the task of attracting persons who have received or received a higher education to military service will be successfully solved, then for army “filling up” and for increasing, let's say, military literacy and the level of military training, this will definitely not be superfluous.

President Vladimir Putin also spoke about the need to solve the task of forming a high-quality mobilization reserve for the RF Armed Forces in his message to the Federal Assembly.

After the words of the president, the main defense department of the country began to solve the problem with new enthusiasm. In this case, it was decided to abandon the idea of ​​"intermittent" service, and instead of this idea, an idea of ​​a new type appeared. December 16 voiced this idea during a meeting of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu with representatives of the public and the rectors of many large Russian universities. The idea is as follows: the Ministry of Defense, on the basis of the existing military departments in the higher educational institutions (about thirty), plans to create the so-called CPMR (Mobile Training Center). These MTCs prepare to provide students with the opportunity to undergo military training for a certain period of time.

And you learn and serve. A colorful picture of the new Russian army


It is important to note that the commissioning of military training centers for the preparation of a mobilization reserve does not imply the elimination of such a thing as a postponement from military service. The Defense Ministry states that students will be trained on the basis of the MTCD on a voluntary basis only. In other words, if you want to start receiving a military specialty while studying at a higher education institution - please, do you want to repay the debt to the Motherland after the training during 12 months, too, please.

Now it is worthwhile to dwell in greater detail on the principle on which students will be able to undergo military training in the aforementioned CPMR at military departments of universities. Initially, officials of the country's main defense department stated that any student (eligible by health criteria, naturally) during 1-2 years from the total time of study at the university will be able to do military service in the centers established on the basis of military departments. After some time, the head of the Ministry of Defense Sergei Shoigu made a speech, who said the following:

After graduating from higher educational institutions, where students will receive theoretical knowledge in military departments and training centers, their graduates will be able to pass three-month training camps in the Defense Ministry's training centers, where they will already receive practical knowledge.


Shoigu noted that the implementation of this plan will require the preparation of shooting ranges, special training grounds, as well as military units, which will have to accept a total of about a hundred thousand university graduates annually (many rectors already hypothetically contribute to this number).

In other words, the essence of the decision to actually go into the principle of the activity of the university military departments, to which the “persecutions” began in 2008, and their number significantly decreased. But if earlier the number of students entering the military department, by definition, was limited (the competition for military departments of universities was impressive for many years), now almost any student (according to the idea voiced by the Ministry of Defense) can undergo military training in special centers these chairs. First, students go through the process of learning in the centers at universities, and only then in the centers at military units. At the same time, after training in the CPMR and passing the three-month “practical” part of the military unit, not the junior officers (as those who purposefully enrolled in the military departments initially), but the rank and file, would mostly come to attend the “practical course”. This nuance is the main difference between training in the CPMR and training directly at the military department of the university.

The considered multi-stage system for training the sounded mobilization reserve of the Armed Forces was to the liking of the majority of the rectors present at the meeting. The positive attitude of the rectors is understandable, since in this case, universities receive additional stability and the ability to attract applicants.

If such an idea really finds its embodiment, then as a result a very motley military (contract-draft) picture can turn out:

the system of higher military educational institutions that train officers for the Russian army,

military departments of civilian universities (graduate junior officers),

a CPMR system on the basis of military departments that train the rank and file with higher education,

scientific companies whose recruits are graduates of civilian specialized universities,

conscripts who are university graduates who have not entered scientific companies and have not completed a course of study through the CPMR,

recruits who are not university graduates,

contract servicemen private and non-commissioned officers.

How effective and efficient such a system will be, and how smoothly its individual units will work - these are already new questions that the Ministry of Defense has to answer.
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  1. -2
    19 December 2013 08: 42
    Scientific companies and there are unscientific companies, but the difference? It is necessary to interest people so that they join the army. At least money. Not to mention all sorts of know-how technologies.
    1. -4
      19 December 2013 08: 58
      Quote from DiViZ
      ... It is necessary to interest people so that they join the army ... Not to mention all sorts of know-how technologies.

      Just for this, scientific companies are the best suited. The young man will really feel what the army is and what opportunities it provides. Ultimately, the conscious choice is his.
      1. +9
        19 December 2013 10: 14
        Quote: Boris55
        Just for this, scientific companies are the best and fit

        Scientific companies are best suited for the children of officials and businessmen, as a warm spot from which to view the army from a safe distance. It's not even a parody of the army - sports companies, it's ballast. Zero combat capability, scientific activity ... in a year, what can students develop such a super modern one? I think nothing. As a consequence, the scientific value is zero. Who will command these companies? Military school graduates? How and who will evaluate their "work" at the end of the year?
        Those who bring real benefits to science should not join the army at all, and scientific advice should decide who should go and who should not.
        It is necessary to draw into the troops (namely the troops of the regular army, and not the hothouse paid units):
        1. Patriotic education.
        2. The benefits for admission to the civil service that is not serving in the army can not work as a judge, prosecutor, police officer, official, etc. To stop taking schoolchildren to a military school, the boys should take the course of the young soldier in the army, and not in the school.
        3. Material benefits: preferential mortgage for housing (say, served 5 years - interest-free mortgage), a good cash allowance for specialists, etc.
        1. +3
          19 December 2013 11: 56
          Quote: Canep
          Those who bring real benefits to science should not join the army at all ...

          Do you think that the army is just "fell here - squeezed out there"? You can find the negative in any business.
          As an example:
          Who will reflect the hibernation?


          Not everyone who graduated from institutes has gone to science.
          Intellectuals need the same to defend their homeland.
          1. +1
            19 December 2013 14: 26
            Quote: Boris55
            Who will reflect the hibernation?

            Should your students do this? And in my opinion, staff officers with education and experience in similar work, and who have received permission to work with MO servers, have access to the secret of 00, because on these servers even financial information is secret, or even secret. Not to mention plans for combat training, and mobilization.
            1. -1
              19 December 2013 15: 25
              Quote: Canep
              Do you think students should do this? And in my opinion, staff officers with education and experience in similar work, and who have received permission to work with MO servers

              Studen is temporary. Having been in the army as a student, a young man will open another road. Walk on it or not - it is up to him. Military schools provide a wide range of knowledge. Students have more in-depth, narrowly focused knowledge.

          2. 0
            19 December 2013 17: 40
            Quote: Boris55
            Who will reflect the hibernation?

            I hope those who at least know how to spell this word. Cyber ​​Attacks. Those. cybernetic laughing
        2. +7
          19 December 2013 12: 01
          Finally, a positive shift has begun in the preparation of the mobilization military reserve of reserve officers in civilian universities.
          Only in my opinion, there is no need to invent a bicycle, it is necessary to revive the military departments in civilian universities with a mandatory 3-year student training and military training to receive a diploma and assignment of the rank of lieutenant, as it was before in Soviet times.
          And all these "scientific companies" - nonsense in the form of a military greenhouse, not worth a damn, thrown into a landfill due to inefficiency.
          I, like many on this site, underwent training in the Soviet era at the military departments of civilian universities, served in the army as officers and I can say with confidence that we were different from regular officers who had just graduated from the military school and arrived at the service, first 3-4 months of service. The sharp difference between the free-standing student life and the military barracks of the school affected.
          Well, I consider the proposals for the graduation of trained soldiers and sergeants from voluntary military departments, and the mandatory subsequent military service, to be frivolous and ruinous for the state.
          Incidentally, the "unforgettable" Yeltsin tried to introduce such an example of the military department in universities in the early 90s. But nothing came of this experiment. The teachers of the military department themselves spoke about the absurdity of such training. My eldest son got to study at a university at that time and left the military department on the advice of military teachers, due to the senselessness of studying at it.
          1. +4
            19 December 2013 14: 39
            I also served as an officer in the army of Kazakhstan after the military department. Our military commissar was also made voluntary, but no one escaped from it, because they knew that students would be drafted into the army, and those who graduated from the department would be officers. Only those who have already served in the army and those who are not fit for combat training have fallen from the department. Theoretical training with us was even better than the Almaty School. These could not distinguish PZMku from BTMki, I’m generally silent about the difference between DIM and UAZ of the battalion commander, they did not really know how to set minefields, and if they were sent for military clearance, then goodbye release. And these personnel sappers were not brakes for 3-4 months like jackets, but not less than a year. They were not allowed to get close to subversive works, because they could not draw up a calculation or an act of decommissioning explosives. Their only advantage is combat and physical. training.
            1. 0
              19 December 2013 17: 43
              To replace us with the retired old lieutenant colonel, we were sent to the division’s administration to the post of head of the engineering service of a teacher from the Almanit school (he naturally taught engineering training). At the final test, it was necessary to run the standard - cross. Everyone came in as they should in field uniform, and this teacher appeared in a T-shirt, shorts and sneakers (socks under sneakers are naturally white). Rzhach was indescribable, the two-year-old flyers quietly laughed at the captain, and the majors and cloaks neigh in the open, accompanying his dress uniform with caustic comments. This captain never served in the army, and asked for our division for career growth. It would be good for him to start at least from a company, after half a year the chief of staff of the battalion (two-year-old, a hockey player from Ustkaman) was left in reserve, and in a couple of years it would be possible to become a division NIS. Here is a story.
              There was also a field exit with a march of 600 km, the combat engineer battalion reached its full complement, although there was one personnel officer in it - the commander. Our Rambat (I served in the technical unit of the division) assembled cars along the highway until the end of the exercises, while in the R.B. most of the officers are personnel, the Commander and deputy technical majors, beginning headquarters - captain. half of the company commanders are personnel. So compare.
          2. +1
            20 December 2013 08: 48
            I completely agree with you, because before, almost every university had a military department, and what is happening now, one in the region, and even then not in every one! After graduation, a person "leaves" with two higher educations at once, and what path he owns he chooses, he will decide for himself! In general, ideally, it would be mandatory to complete training on VK, as before ..
        3. 0
          23 December 2013 12: 39
          Quote: Canep
          Suitable for children of officials and businessmen, as a warm place from where you can look at the army from a safe distance. This is not even a parody of the army - sports companies, this is ballast.

          Definitely a definition! good
          History does not teach anything ... (though life strictly punishes those who neglect historical lessons)
          I will explain my thought.
          In Germany, for example, a junior officer in the infantry, tank forces may not be the most educated, but, as a rule, the best military specialist, the leader of a military collective, the leader (Fuhrer) of a platoon-company scale. This was achieved through long-term practice and selection, often obligatory service in privates and non-commissioned officers in the ranks. This, in many respects, determined the high efficiency of the Wehrmacht on the battlefields of World War II ... Our officer corps, similar in professionalism, was formed by "natural selection", at the cost large losses by the final period of the Second World War.
          This process was well described by K. Simonov in "The Living and the Dead".
          So, graduates of military departments without experience of service in the ranks in the commanders "start up" inexpedient.
          In techies, yes it can. Probably, as in the USA, it is necessary to create a corps of vorent officers for this category, i.e. those. specialists in a number of HUS.
    2. +1
      19 December 2013 12: 10
      Money, know-how ... It’s not necessary to lure anyone, to bring up normal from childhood and to get motivated to serve by itself. In Soviet times, the guys didn’t have any questions, two springs, two winters. Of course they were poor, but even they were dumb accept congratulations on February 23.
    3. +2
      19 December 2013 15: 06
      Original nonsense. Some people should ONLY serve, others ONLY engage in science.
    4. Airman
      +1
      19 December 2013 17: 28
      I believe that military departments are needed in technical universities, and lawyers, philosophers, philologists, botanists, after the university, serve as ordinary soldiers for a year. To study at the military department from the second year and on the 5th after the training camp in the troops, assign ml. l-that.
      1. 0
        19 December 2013 19: 06
        In our city there was an aviation technical school of civil aviation - IATU, with a secondary specialized education, with a military department, and with a 3-year term of study, graduated as junior lieutenants.
        Military aviation technical schools - for example, also IVATU, also with secondary technical military education with a training period of the same 3 years graduated lieutenants.
        And military departments in civilian universities with higher education, with a 5-year term of study, who should graduate, also junior lieutenants? So is the secondary technical school?
        Where is the logic and expediency if, in terms of qualification, graduates of military departments, for example, engineering, are higher than graduates of secondary technical schools, even military ones, and higher military schools too?
        There were no fools in the USSR, they thought up for decades the streamlined system of training reserve officers in civilian universities, and did not scatter ranks, but they assigned lieutenants after graduating from the university and the military department.
        So, what is not necessary is new, if there is a system that has been prepared and tested over the years.
  2. +5
    19 December 2013 08: 58
    Very hard work - the desire to please everyone. Unfortunately, this direction leads to a dead end.
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  5. +6
    19 December 2013 09: 16
    My opinion is ambivalent. So the mountain can give birth to a mouse. In my opinion, hammering nails with a microscope is not serious. A reserve officer and even a sergeant after 3 months of training is extremely inappropriate. A trained crew commander, a squad, a specialist in complex complex weapons and equipment with a higher special education is needed in the troops yesterday. Mobreserv is good, but who will serve? We all know perfectly well who is serving now. Post-industrial wars require new approaches to the conduct of military operations at sea, land, in the air and in outer space, in the field of information warfare, primarily in cyberspace. And in the more distant future - the use of weapons based on new physical principles (ray, geophysical, wave, genetic, psychophysical, etc.) all this requires the management of new types of weapons and military equipment and ending with information and communication technologies - an amateur soldier at best will not fulfill these tasks, in the worst case, will ruin the equipment. Collective weapons require specialists. The world is changing rapidly. Generals are preparing for the last war. The army should absorb the best young cadres like a sponge. The Army should not miss the issues of education and professional military education, these are issues of the Army's genetic foundations, its ideology, morale and ethics. We must move away from the workers 'and peasants' army to the army of Russia. Before making a decision on the Russian proverb "measure seven times and cut once", run it in a trial version, do not put non-specialists in positions that require special knowledge. What is required is not local, but conceptual solutions for the construction of the aircraft.
  6. 0
    19 December 2013 09: 19
    in a nonsense manner: "A private military company provides services in the field of unmanned aviation logistics, information collection, and destructive impact on individual objects" :-)
  7. +1
    19 December 2013 09: 38
    Or maybe starting in the kindergarten to begin to count the passage of military service. After all, the boys there use all kinds of pistols, machine guns, tanks, planes and boats.
  8. makarov
    +1
    19 December 2013 09: 41
    If you take into account the new direction in personnel training, you still need to use the old approach in the development of the topic, the "carrot and stick" principle should remain unchanged. In a specific situation, in addition to the personal responsibility of officials at all levels, the "whip" should also be the introduction into the consciousness of cadres that without military knowledge and assessments, their further civilian career will be full of "0".
  9. Fin
    +1
    19 December 2013 09: 46
    The task itself consisted and continues to consist in the fact that from half a million graduates of Russian universities (young men), about 11-12% are drafted into the ranks of the Russian army (Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Internal Affairs or FSB).

    So engage in a more complete involvement of draft dodgers. Only serve a year, and whining ... So soon we will reach 6 months of service. But military registration and enlistment offices need to distribute draftees with higher education. For the techie to serve in communications, Strategic Rocket Forces, Navy, etc. All liberals are doing everything to raise young people incapable of defending their homeland.
    1. 0
      19 December 2013 11: 02
      Simple as that. This was also said in Soviet times. Only for the army is it necessary for the infantrymen to mulion, and there is only one cipher. So the newly minted engineer and teacher went to the infantry in droves. With the difference that there was a certain hatred on the part of the fathers of the commanders, "how can he get the officer's rank in six months ..." The problem is not who to call, but where to call. Here in the comments more than once they wrote what our army is doing, I do not think that there will be a desire to learn about it to go there even from a graduate, even a dropout, even a schoolboy.
  10. M. Ushakov
    +2
    19 December 2013 09: 50
    Introduce universities with a "military department", training, 6-7 years free of charge on state support. They serve in cities. Well, there will be no "thieves" to serve. And the experience to count. They will receive education and junior army and higher civilian (secondary technical for 3-5 years).
  11. +3
    19 December 2013 09: 51
    The idea is very good. Recently I was at a military training camp as a com. companies, so no one, I repeat. NOBODY from all the personnel said that he wasted his time in vain, everyone was satisfied. The contingent was from 23 to 50 years old. The vast majority expressed that they would still love to go. (Of course, the material part of the fees should also be taken into account, but this is not the main thing). So the people (I mean not 18-year-olds) in our army have a very positive attitude.
  12. +3
    19 December 2013 10: 05
    The army should be intelligible and understandable.
    And not like now, the commanders of the subunits do not know what they can change with the conscription, with the provision of equipment, logistical supplies .... the commander is not a "king and God" for subordinates, but a bureaucrat who makes thousands of pieces of paper and tries to serve ALL staff officers , the prosecutor's office, the mothers committee, journalists ...
    And most importantly, there are no GOALS for the service: great state!?, defense of the country's wealth!?, continuity of generations!?, protection of borders and border protection!?, Preservation of the ethnic group of Rus!? ....

    * ReFia is definitely not a Great State, where the minister calls the military "green men", and he was removed .... from a woman ,,, and not imprisoned))))
    * Country Wealth Sells for US Dollars, and these dollars do not return to the country so that the government does not broadcast there, there is a robbery, EVERYONE sees it ....
    * The continuity of generations- the films "Stalingrad", "4 days in May" are shot at the state expense ... and they are shown on state TV channels, ..... there are announcements of lawyers on the trains, which will help to avoid conscription (offices with a state license)), a person who has served ( who gave a debt to the Motherland) no benefits (monetization))))) Hero-officers were put in Prison-KVACHKOV, KHABAROV, ULMAN BUDANOV .........
    * And the borders of the country are reduced by presidents-In the north, the Economic Zone (in size, the territory of Germany)) was given to Norway)))
    - In the Far East, the islands, covered in blood, SOLDIER, went to China)) ....
    * Russian Ethnicity destroyed Chechens (barbarously) - they gave them Heroes of Russia for this)), in Central Asia they are squeezing out Russians, Caucasians and Jews "building" the Olympics, Armenians in Moscow "lay down" roads, we have no military bases abroad, On strategic rockets "Topol" YARS "yellow NATO fuses are hanging)))) ...

    Eh hehe hehe (thinks Russian commander))
  13. -1
    19 December 2013 10: 07
    I welcome all the new changes, in the course of application, it will be clear what to add and what to refuse.
  14. +1
    19 December 2013 10: 14
    Quote: mountain
    I welcome all the new changes, in the course of application, it will be clear what to add and what to refuse.


    Or perhaps for a start it is worth thinking carefully. The slogan would be to get involved in the battle, and there we’ll understand it is unacceptable.
  15. +3
    19 December 2013 10: 22
    The worked out Soviet scheme for preparing the mobile reserve is going into oblivion for decades. The current attempts to recreate some kind of conglomerate, only exacerbates the deplorable state of training reservists. This leads to the fact that the state will not have a military reserve prepared for a special case. Or does Russia no longer have external threats?
  16. +1
    19 December 2013 11: 06
    Guys, it reminds me more of a song by Semyon Slepakov ...
  17. +1
    19 December 2013 11: 44
    I read the comments and realized that everyone for whom the army is not an empty phrase is right, right in its own way. How to collect all thoughts together you need to think. The solution to the problem proposed in the article is only part of the task of creating a new image of the army.
    The army needs competent specialists who are able to make decisions, so it is necessary to attract students, but if a graduate runs a bayonet for a year (God forbid, not with a shovel), then this year he will lose some of the knowledge and skills that he needs for further professional growth.
    The threefold task arises of providing conscription (replacing a training course in military specialties, because only this can be done in a year), creating the scientific potential of the army and positioning the army as an important part of the state, and not a means of cleaning up other people's surprises.
  18. -1
    19 December 2013 14: 20
    And how much salary does a computer equipment operator have. I think 50000 is no less. And the student fed the watered footcloths canceled 5 put in the set-off and goodbye.
  19. -1
    19 December 2013 14: 23
    What does a cat do when there is nothing to do? What about the minister?
    At first, military schools, sports schools and sports battalions dispersed, now they are creating.
    But the constant imitation of ebullient activity - ICD.
    "Service in installments" is a nonsense of an amateur.
    Just as before - the real advantages of 2-year-olds - "jackets" over the graduates of VVUZ.
    Recall the pre-revolutionary experience - the status of volunteers.
    And students - the maximum, to assign the title of "ensign".
    Otherwise, what will go to the Higher School of Education and why?
    Option - in high schools and high schools only after a year of service as a soldier!
  20. dmb
    0
    19 December 2013 14: 59
    When evaluating this or that decision, you probably need to take into account. what goal does it pursue, whether the goal will be achieved as a result of the decision, and whether this goal corresponds to the tasks. which are put. The task is to defend the country, but whether the "Wisest" were pursuing the goal of strengthening the defense, I personally doubt. Rather, their goal was, given the falling authority, to correct it at least a little at the expense of young people. Well, young people do not want to serve in the army by conscription, then we will arrange profanation from the service. It does not matter that a technically competent fighter cannot be trained in a year, and even more so during a period of stay in student research companies, but if a buzz about social injustice begins, part of the youth (and all revolutions were committed by young people), it will be possible to delay such decisions by your side.
  21. +2
    19 December 2013 16: 23
    Adopted for the sake of momentary political "benefits", attempts to save on the army and "improve" centuries-old charters and traditions, almost ended in its complete degradation. When I was fastened, I had to return to benefits, to acceptable wages and housing, etc.
    The training system, including the mobilization reserve, which they have destroyed and are now “improving," was created by people who had both combat experience and the experience of real formation of units, both in wartime and in the post-war period. Does anyone think that the current army wise men can offer anything worthwhile? They will give a few circles and come to what they left. If they are decent people, of course.
  22. VADEL
    +1
    19 December 2013 17: 40
    So it was in the USSR, nor anything new. Only field training after the end of the military department was 1.5 months. Shoigu, I believe, the tanker received the military rank of lieutenant after graduating from the Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic Institute. hi
  23. 0
    19 December 2013 18: 02
    I believe that everything is done correctly.
    Only I would go further. TEACHERS must teach. In pedagogical universities, restore or expand the departments of special. pedagogy. And lead the specialty "military teacher". Ideally, professional military teachers and "specialized" instructors from the army should work in the "training". Then, even in six months, you can prepare a normal conscript specialist.
  24. 0
    19 December 2013 18: 06
    We live in a country where every lord will come up with and reform something, it’s easier to destroy, the next one will come --- l all this cancels and implements the well-canceled old, well, is it not idiocy
  25. 0
    19 December 2013 18: 55
    "to improve, let's say, military literacy" I don't understand what's the difference whether to wash the floor with or without a higher education.
  26. oper66
    0
    19 December 2013 18: 55
    Whenever I got carried away, but the time has come for the site oberemienel gave birth to a burp of several drones with the ranks of corporal and free access "a la klava" clog the world !!!!! admins, I asked you more than once to remove me, they refused, no more shameful and stupid swamps, not but there is a tape ru, I ask you to remove the old account, and you fuck that morally killed a normal source, remove the titles from the idiots, otherwise what shit the epaulettes above = e. Happy everyone
  27. +2
    19 December 2013 19: 13
    It is better to restore part of the military universities and academies ditched by Serdyukov. But then it needs to be planted and money is needed for restoration. In addition, the accomplices of Serdyukov are still sitting in the Moscow Region and admit that all this was simply the collapse and destruction of the military training system for them is tantamount to a future charge of treason. So they are trying to do something.