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Battle for Ukraine. The onset of the "European Reich" and the scenario of a new European war. Part of 2

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Battle for Ukraine. The onset of the "European Reich" and the scenario of a new European war. Part of 2

Unfortunately, contrary to popular belief about the “hand of Moscow”, for many years Russia showed complete indifference to such an important issue for our civilization and people as the fate of tens of millions of Russians (Ruses) who ended up outside the single state after the 1991 catastrophe. Moscow limited itself to the economic support of the Ukrainian regimes, which drifted to the west, but due to civilizational, historical, cultural and economic ties could not break sharply with Russia. The last meeting of Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych continued this course. Putin decided to once again economically support the degrading Ukrainian regime.


In principle, the Russian president can be understood. This is a tactical move made to gain time. Ukrainian "abscess" freeze. Like, then we'll see what to do. Strategically, the problem is not solved. At the same time, it is impossible to allow a social and political explosion in Ukraine. As already noted in the first part of the article, parts of the Western elites benefit from the “Yugoslav” (“Syrian”) scenario in Ukraine. Civil confrontation, gangs of brutal neo-Nazis, Crimean jihadists, thousands dead, hundreds of thousands of refugees. Involvement of Russia, the European Union, Turkey, NATO and the United States in the conflict. Some Western leaders even instigate the Ukrainian opposition: they say, we will not leave in trouble. Thus, the director of the NATO office in Ukraine, Marcin Kozhiel, said that Ukraine could rely on the support of NATO in the event of an attack on its sovereignty and territorial integrity. According to him, “a sovereign Ukraine that meets fully democratic requirements is the key to further cooperation with NATO,” and Kiev can count on the support of the North Atlantic Alliance.

The wing of the “hawks” in the American elite is traditionally ready to solve all problems by stirring up conflicts and wars in various parts of the planet. The war in Ukraine will solve a number of important tasks. The United States will immediately kill two birds with one stone - they will hit the European Union, which does not need a big war in Europe, and in Russia. Therefore, the likelihood of a military conflict exists, it can not be dismissed. Apparently, they are ready for the military scenario in Romania and Poland - the loyal American satellites in Eastern Europe. Bucharest is implementing a plan to create "Greater Romania" by absorbing Moldavia and Transnistria, and also claims to be part of Ukrainian territory. Romania and Poland are active participants in the US missile defense program. Washington based on the so-called. The “Eastern European Partnership” creates a buffer between Germany and Russia and a “belt of instability” - a zone of controlled chaos. Poland, as always, stands on the edge of the struggle with Russia. Playing on the complex of the failed Polish empire, Washington pushes Warsaw to reanimate the idea of ​​the Commonwealth, "Greater Poland" from sea to sea. For this, it is necessary to devour a part of the Baltic states and a significant part of today's Ukraine.

Here it should be noted immediately two interesting facts. First, the Ukrainian armed forces “optimized” to such an extent that they lost almost all of the significant Soviet military legacy. New models of military equipment are rare and do not play any role. Moreover, the army continues to "reform", apparently, plan to reduce it to the parade-security brigade. All this is justified by European trends. Plus, we must not forget the money question: Kiev simply has no money, they steal too much. Secondly, while the overwhelming majority of the European armies reduce their offensive-defensive potential, reduce heavy weapons, turning the armed forces into punitive-expeditionary corps, Poland, on the contrary, increases the strength of its armed forces.

Warsaw, despite the worsening economic situation in Poland and throughout Europe, adopted the new military-political doctrine of the country - Polish Fangs. Within the framework of this program, over the next 10 years, the Poles will spend on armaments a record amount for this country - more than $ 45 billion. As part of this strategy, they plan to: equip F-16 aircraft with new missiles; to develop the Coastal Missile Division, special forces; equip the army with combat drones - in November, the delivery of 12 Fly Eye drones was completed, special forces and artillery regiments received them (in total they plan to purchase up to 50 UAVs similar to Fly Eye), in total I plan to buy up to 2020 drones by 200; development of mobility and firepower of the ground forces - purchase tanks German-made Leopard 2, 886 cross-country vehicles, 307 Rosomak armored modular vehicles manufactured by the national company WZMS, purchase of 155-mm Krab self-propelled howitzers and 120-mm Rak self-propelled mortars, modernization of the Bergepanzer 2 armored repair and recovery vehicles; development of the military industry, consolidation of a disparate military industry under one wing is being carried out - the Polish Armaments Group is being created, which will include WZMS, HSW, Polish Defense Holding, as well as other small manufacturers. In addition, Poland participates in the US missile defense program and announced the creation of a national missile defense system. Warsaw plans to upgrade the air defense and missile defense system by 2022 by purchasing short- and medium-range missiles, new radars. The national missile defense program Wisla (Wisla) is estimated at $ 8,4 billion and is the largest national arms program. From 2017, the armed forces should begin to receive batteries of Vistula medium-range missiles, Narev short-range missiles, Poprad self-propelled systems, Pilitsa missile and artillery systems, Perun launchers and missiles. More than 30 units of the Sola and Bystra radar will also be delivered. The bet is on mobile systems that can protect the country from short- and medium-range missiles. Poland is clearly preparing for war.

It must be said that the scenario of the collapse of Ukraine at the level of fantasies (that is, without real activity in this direction) is also supported by part of the patriotic public of Russia. On the one hand, the option is logical. Ukraine is divided roughly on the line of the Dnieper. Russia is moving away, depending on the position of Moscow, formally with the inclusion of Russia, or de facto, like Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea. It is possible that the south of Ukraine - with Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson - will also go under the wing of Russia. The depressive, economically backward and Russophobic West is entering the sphere of influence of the European Union, or rather, the United States. It is obvious that Galicia will join the ranks of the US satellites in Eastern Europe. The fate of Central Ukraine is still unknown. Perhaps it will remain as a kind of buffer between East and West, or it will be divided.

The section of Ukraine has its advantages. Moscow will receive the most industrialized regions, the “Crimean Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier”, a population not affected by Russophobic sentiment. However, strategically, such a move is dangerous and plays into the hands of the enemies of Russian civilization. First, it is the implementation of the enemy scenario for the further fragmentation and absorption of Russian civilization. We will help with our own hands to destroy Ukraine, we will give Galicia and Central Ukraine to the enemy. Secondly, NATO in the east will approach Moscow and other Russian centers even closer. The concept of "lightning war" has not been canceled. She just changed the name - Fast Global Impact (BSU). In addition, the thesis that the “Westerners” (Western Rus, whose consciousness is completely affected by Western programs) should be given to Europe is erroneous. With appropriate work, propaganda, everything can be changed. Consciousness of people is changing rapidly. Psycho and information technology for this is. One should not even carry out mass repressions, it is enough to neutralize several thousand outright enemies (the “fifth column”) and send hopeless ideological fools.

Therefore, Putin’s last steps are quite reasonable. He decided to pull time. The situation in the world is changing very quickly, after a year or two of cards may lie differently. For example, the United States itself is very unstable, and suspicious processes are going on in China, not to mention the already “stable unstable” Western Europe. It is quite possible that after a while London will be busy with the process of secession of Scotland, Washington will have to crush the revolt of the indignant population, Beijing will be carried away by "perestroika". In such a situation, with a new exacerbation in Ukraine - and it is inevitable, since the cancer did not cure, but only gave the patient pain medication (money) - Moscow will be able to resolve the issue itself. A scenario is possible when in the medium or long-term perspective it will be enough to send troops, which for the most part will meet with flowers, and restore the Soviet border. Naturally, people in the world will be shouted, they will be threatened, but they will not be able to do anything, since all attention will be focused on internal processes. The right of force has not been canceled.

The rotting Kiev regime was given a reprieve. Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych held the sixth meeting of the Russian-Ukrainian Interstate Commission in the Kremlin and talked face to face. It should be noted that this year the heads of Russia and Ukraine are already meeting for the eighth time. This indicates the intensification of Moscow's policy towards Ukraine. Russia is still the main trading partner of Ukraine, the turnover in 2012 amounted to 45 billion US dollars. However, in recent years there has been a process of reducing trade. So, in January-October 2013, the volume of mutual trade decreased by 14,5% compared to the same period in 2012 - up to 32,2 billion dollars. Russia's exports decreased by 16,2% and amounted to 19 billion dollars, while imports fell by 11,9%, amounting to 13,2 billion dollars. According to the President of the Russian Federation, it is necessary "to take energetic actions not only to return to the level of previous years, but also to create conditions for moving forward." Fortunately, there are all conditions in the field of energy, engineering, space, aviation and shipbuilding.

Documents were signed on the implementation of state support measures for the resumption of mass production of An-124 family aircraft with D-18T engines; agreement on joint work on the organization of the construction of the passage through the Kerch Strait; to enhance cooperation in the field of shipbuilding and in the field of the rocket and space industry; agreement on the exchange of information in the field of nuclear and radiation safety, etc. Putin also said that Russia is ready to consider the possibility of using the defense capacities of the Ukrainian economy for the needs of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The relevant proposals of the Ministry of Defense of the two countries have already been prepared. Yanukovych also reported on specific solutions for the implementation of joint projects: financing the construction of the third and fourth power units of the Khmelnitsky NPP and the creation of jointly mass production of the An-70 aircraft.

The main outcome of Yanukovych’s trip to Moscow was a reduction in gas prices and investments in the amount of 15 billion dollars. Russia made a big concession and lowered the gas price for Ukraine by a third. Now Naftogaz of Ukraine will buy Russian gas at a price of 268,5 dollars per thousand cubic meters. Previously, this price was equal to 400 dollars. Gazprom and Naftogaz have already signed a corresponding agreement. According to Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Viktor Boyko, the new price for Russian gas for Ukraine will be valid until the 2019 year. Moreover, the Ukrainian authorities still this is not enough. Ukrainian Energy Minister Edward Stavitsky said that Kiev is counting on a further reduction in the price of Russian gas from Gazprom.

In addition, the Russian government will place in the securities of Ukraine 15 billion dollars from the reserves of the National Wealth Fund. I must say that this amount is comparable to the amount of funds that the NWF allocates for Russian infrastructure projects. Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov noted that Russia will place 15 billion dollars in Ukraine's sovereign Eurobonds in 2013 and 2014. Russia already within a week will buy out two-year eurobonds of Ukraine in the amount of 3 billion dollars. This money will allow you to pay debts and hold out to Kiev in the next two years before the presidential election. In response, Yanukovych, in the course of implementing joint venture projects, is ready to let Russia approach strategic facilities.

At the same time, the Kremlin reaffirmed its position on non-interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine. Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov said that the Russian Federation is interested in economic cooperation, but adheres to a firm principle: “a principled position of non-intervention”. Vladimir Putin said that during the meeting of the Interstate Commission, the issue of Ukraine’s accession to the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan was not discussed. Earlier in Russia have repeatedly stated that the decision of Kiev in relation to the European Union is an internal affair of Ukraine. Thus, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, commenting on the Russian position on the situation around Ukraine during a trip to the United States, said that Ukraine will determine its own status. Russia will support any decision. The same was said by the Russian ambassador to Ukraine, Mikhail Zurabov.

Thus, Moscow at the same time economically supports the Ukrainian authorities, giving them the opportunity to hold on for some time, and still adheres to the “toothless” foreign policy, considering Ukraine to be a sovereign country and not raising the issue of a divided Russian nation. Although the actions of European and American representatives in Ukraine raise the question of the independence of Ukraine questioned.

The unwiseness of such a policy of Moscow has already been noted by many analysts and politicians. While the European Union, the United States and NATO and their vassals exert strong political pressure on Kiev, are actively working across all channels, recruiting supporters, Moscow is still a kind of “donor” for Kiev, allowing it to “sit on two chairs” . In particular, the leader of the Communist Party criticized the work of Russia's ambassador to Ukraine, Mikhail Zurabov (he is the ex-minister of health). The Russian embassy in Kiev is working very poorly, but Zurabov is almost inaudible and not visible. According to the head of the Foundation for Effective Politics Gleb Pavlovsky, the Ukrainian vector of Russian politics in the past year was simply “swamped”. The Russian Embassy, ​​and therefore the Foreign Ministry, could not even organize a normal monitoring of the Ukrainian events over the past year. Neither the Foreign Ministry, nor the Kremlin have ever shaped Russia's position, although Yanukovych’s policy of signing an agreement with the EU was not a secret. The work on the formation of pro-Russian public opinion in Ukraine failed. It is necessary to work with our current and potential allies, but the situation in this area is catastrophic. More time and effort was spent on fruitless contacts with opponents of rapprochement between Russia and Ukraine, like Klitschko.

Russian political scientist Yevgeny Minchenko also said the indistinct and unsuccessful position of Moscow on the events in Kiev, which makes the rapprochement between Ukraine and the EU inevitable. The political analyst believes that “a significant part of the oligarchs would have arranged Vitali Klitschko as the president’s figure. Accordingly, they, I think, are playing a game with the Americans and with a part of European elites. In this sense, Russia is somewhere on the sidelines. ” And “an attempt now somehow to flood the situation in the country with money from Russia” will also not lead to success. They will take the money, but the course towards European integration will continue, this is an objective process, in terms of the venality and anti-popular nature of the Ukrainian “elite”.

The Ukrainian opposition reacted predictably to Yanukovych’s visit to Moscow. The leader of the political association "UDAR" Vitali Klitschko accused the Ukrainian president of receiving investments from the Russian Federation on the security of strategic objects and called him to the "ring". Klitschko demanded specific information about the agreements in Moscow. Oleg Tyagnibok, chairman of the All-Ukrainian Svoboda Association, called the agreements signed in Moscow “shameful” and noted that Yanukovych is giving Ukrainians to the “slavery” of Russia and accused him of being a traitor. The leader of Batkivshchyna, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, warned that not a single document contrary to the rapprochement between Ukraine and the EU would pass, they would be blocked by oppositional deputies in the parliament. In addition, the opposition demanded to reduce tariffs for housing and communal services, gas for the population by 30%.

Washington responded. The Moscow-Kiev agreement on investment and gas prices does not solve the problem of protests in Ukraine, White House spokesman Jay Carney said. Thus, the Ukrainian opposition and the United States are united in the fact that the standoff will continue.

Thus, Moscow made unprecedented concessions to Kiev in order to “freeze” the development of the situation in Ukraine according to a negative scenario. At the same time, Moscow still did not assume responsibility for solving the problem of restoring the unity of Russia and the super-ethnos of the Rus, divided by the criminal conspiracy of 1991 of the year. The new agreement between Moscow and Kiev contradicts the entire previous Russian economic policy, when Gazprom has been strangling Ukraine with high gas prices in recent years, showing that it’s time to end the “celebration of life” at the expense of Russia. Moreover, Moscow went to the issuance of funds to Ukraine from the National Welfare Fund. Until now, the Russian authorities have been extremely conservative about the waste of oil and gas reserves, including the development of Russian infrastructure, saying that they should be saved in case of a collapse in world energy prices. Only in the middle of 2013, part of the funds of the National Welfare Fund agreed to spend on large-scale infrastructure projects, such as the modernization of Transsib and BAM, the automobile ring road in the Moscow region. NWF did not want to spend on Russia, not to mention other countries. And then this turn. Russia postponed the inevitable collapse of the Ukrainian economy and, accordingly, a complete political destabilization of the situation in the country. Now the move is for the Ukrainian opposition and its foreign and domestic (oligarchs) sponsors.
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 18 December 2013 09: 03
    17
    Putin saved Ukraine from default. Analyzing the news from open sources, I agree that Putin took a chance, significantly raising rates ....
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 18 December 2013 09: 16
      10
      Yes, it was he who saved him from default, which was no longer something that "on the doorstep" or "at the gate", but already "in the house."
      It is Yanukovych's turn to change domestic policy and to open up and eliminate the "abscess" himself.
      Here's how you can do it? Actually, you can cheat, there are many options, at least in neo-Nazism, to blame the good "friendly Europe" in this regard is unlikely to excite, because they themselves recognized Tyagnibok as a Nazi.
      1. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 18 December 2013 10: 25
        +6
        Quote: mirag2
        Yes, it was he who saved him from default, which was no longer something that "on the doorstep" or "at the gate", but already "in the house."
        It is Yanukovych's turn to change domestic policy and to open and eliminate the "abscess" himself

        I’m a full oak in politics, but in my opinion Yanukovych has two options:
        1. The European Union, the removal from office of the president, the freedom of Julia, the seizure of his money (acquired by overwork) in Western banks, the Hague court, zone .....
        2.Customs union, victory in the next election, Julia on quiche, weaning his money (acquired by overwork) in Western banks, working as president, defending the Kremlin after .....
        Question:
        What balls does it crush? I hope the GDP explained to him on December 17 what will happen next? It seems that Yanukovych exam passed in the USSR .....
        PS
        Zeke transit gloria mundi ....
        1. Canep
          Canep 18 December 2013 10: 45
          +4
          Quote: ziqzaq
          I hope GDP explained on December 17 what will happen next?

          I think Yanukovych didn’t need to explain. My opinion is that Yanukovych acted in strict accordance with Putin's plans; it was not for nothing that he regularly flew to Moscow for consultations. This circus with the EU was specially designed to show that Russia can do whatever it wants, and not only to those in Europe but also to those who are overseas. Therefore, they are powerless and tear the throat on the Maidan, in addition, Yanukovych saw who-is-who is in his government. The time was chosen very well, thanks to the EU that the summit was scheduled for November. Soon frosts will disperse the Kiev Maidan. The West has just been defeated in Syria, and now the Ukrainians spat in their face.
          There will be no division of Ukraine, but for sure (as Zhirinovsky says). No one needs this, nor Ukrainians, nor Russia, nor possibly the West.
          Agreements to provide a loan of $ 15000000000 billion and to reduce gas prices by 30% on the knee are not written, and two hours of the presidential dialogue are not resolved (too many interested participants), most likely negotiations took several months.
          1. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 18 December 2013 11: 40
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            There will be no division of Ukraine, but for sure (as Zhirinovsky says). No one needs this, nor Ukrainians, nor Russia, nor possibly the West.
            Agreements to provide a loan of $ 15000000000 billion and to reduce gas prices by 30% on the knee are not written, and two hours of the presidential dialogue are not resolved (too many interested participants), most likely negotiations took several months.

            I agree with you, if you gave the money, then everything has already been decided and obviously not with Yanukovych, perhaps with Obama, but what should one take revenge on Europe for the unsigned free trade zone agreement with the USA, since it is impossible to get Snowden .....
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 19 December 2013 06: 09
              0
              Thus, Moscow simultaneously economically supports the Ukrainian authorities, ... and still adheres to a “toothless” foreign policy, .
              .The unreasonableness of such a Moscow policy has already been noted by many analysts and politicians. While the European Union, the USA and NATO and their vassals exert strong political pressure on Kiev, are actively working on all channels, recruiting supporters ... (from the article)


              Okay, I agree that Putin is playing, as one commentator put it here, a "subtle game." BUT why are the smaller politicians silent, why is it not heard or seen the Russian ambassador to Ukraine, notorious out of his inability either in health care or in the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, Zurabov, who "the Ukrainian vector of Russian politics ... simply" flunked ".
              Why did the Russian embassy, ​​and therefore the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, even fail to organize normal monitoring of Ukrainian events over the past year?
              Why did the work on the formation of pro-Russian public opinion in Ukraine, with our existing and potential allies, fail?

              Why is the media, and the television most affecting the mind, losing the information war for the minds of Ukrainians?
              Why, according to Russian political scientist Yevgeny Minchenko, is Moscow's slurred and unsuccessful position on events in Kiev manifest, which makes rapprochement between Ukraine and the EU inevitable?
              Why did Moscow make unprecedented concessions to Kiev in order to “freeze” the development of the situation in Ukraine according to a negative scenario, while Moscow is still not trying to wage an information war for Ukraine, but ultimately for the Russian world, for Russia?
              That's what is not clear.
          2. optimist
            optimist 18 December 2013 15: 58
            11 th
            Quote: Canep
            Agreements to provide a loan of $ 15000000000 billion and to reduce gas prices by 30% on the knee are not written, and two hours of the presidential dialogue are not resolved (too many interested participants), most likely negotiations took several months.

            Well what can I say? The "great" vovan-pakhan once again "decided in question" as a true female idar (which he most likely is): BABLO !!! And the money is not their own, but the people’s. And what, it has been "rolling" for 13 years with the Caucasus. Instead of "merging" the prostitute-Yanukovych and dividing Ukraine with amers (zapadentsi will never "fall" under Russia: hohol himself, I know! laughing ) Of course, war is bad, hard and painful, but it can no longer be avoided. And whatever Putininoids would say here, they are unlikely to argue with simple truth: freedom and independence are not bought, they conquer with weapons in their hands ....
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 19 December 2013 00: 18
              +3
              Quote: optimist
              freedom and independence are not bought, they conquer with weapons in their hands ....

              It worked in the Stone Age and until the early Middle Ages.
              This is currently downgraded to LGBT.
              Quote: optimist
              Instead of "merging" the prostitute-Yanukovych and dividing Ukraine with the amers (the zapadentsi will never "fall" under Russia: hohol himself, I know!)

              You have a mistake here, you should have written: Instead of being treated by the EU and the US, the "whirlwinds" decided to sell themselves to Russia.
              And as for the section, the author measured it this way:
              Ukraine is divided approximately along the Dnieper line. Depart to Russia - depending on the position of Moscow, formally with the inclusion in the Russian Federation, or de facto, like Abkhazia and South Ossetia - Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. Perhaps, the south of Ukraine will also depart under the wing of Russia - with Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson. The depressive, economically backward and Russophobic West goes into the sphere of influence of the European Union, and more precisely, the United States. Obviously, Galicia will join the ranks of the US satellites in Eastern Europe. The fate of Central Ukraine is still unknown. Perhaps it will remain as a kind of buffer between East and West, or it will be divided.
              Firstly, the "dividers" were not grown.
              Secondly, if you saw it along the borders of the Ternopil-Khmelnitsky regions.
              And thirdly, if the "saws itch", then we can "help" and SAW along the Elbe.
              soldier
      2. In the book
        In the book 18 December 2013 10: 36
        +8
        I will sincerely say: I won’t envy Yanukovych. He got into such a der..mo, from which there are only two exits:
        "Either I take her to the registry office, or she takes me to the prosecutor's office" (c)
      3. Alex toll
        Alex toll 18 December 2013 11: 21
        +2
        It is necessary to imprison for inciting Russophobic sentiments and organizing a group of people in rebellion - well, the thread is)))) In short, the law should be written specifically for such figures and the organizers will be fined for barricades and violation of city services
      4. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 19 December 2013 01: 31
        +4
        Quote: mirag2
        It is Yanukovych's turn to change domestic policy and to open up and eliminate the "abscess" himself.
        Here's how you can do it? Actually, you can cheat, there are many options, at least in neo-Nazism, to blame the good "friendly Europe" in this regard is unlikely to excite, because they themselves recognized Tyagnibok as a Nazi.

        Everything is already going according to plan - watch yesterday's performance on the European Square of Kiev by Oleg Tsarev, listen to what this guy says, see how his people listen and how they react ... at the same time, you will meet the future president of Ukraine - this is how the people decided in comments "Tsarev to the kingdom "and I agree with them. And look what documents were signed in Moscow: An-124, An-70, shipbuilding (including military), Kerch bridge, etc. - how many years are talking houses and there is such a breakthrough ... And we don't need to tease our banderlog ahead of time by the Customs Union, we still have the Olympics on our nose, why spoil the holiday. That will be the holidays, the Olympics, the prosecutor's office and the SBU will take the cases of state. betrayal and an attempt to seize power, we will see the first results from the implementation of the above programs, then we will formalize our relations under national jubilation. And it's better if it happens under the new president. Sincerely .
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 18 December 2013 09: 44
      +9
      The USSR did not have enough 15 years of existence for the Russification of Western Ukraine to the level of today's Central Ukrainewhere Russian has a share from 30% to 45%. Few people know that the ardent Russophobe and the nationalist of Ukraine, Irina Fahrion, joined the Communist Party in 1988. As she herself admitted, ostensibly to advance in career and mercantile interests. Even if this is so, then it indirectly and passively promoted the ideology and philosophy of the great Russian civilization through the prism of the USSR:

      Characteristic of a member of the CPSU since March 1988, Fahrion Irina Dmitrievny: a true communist. The nature of the Soviet, discreet. He actively participates in the work of the society of sobriety, encourages the study of the Russian language by foreign students. In connections that defame her, while not seen. He is constantly working to improve his ideological and theoretical level. The party and government policy understands correctly. Participates in community work days. Loves animals, barbars and Soviet holidays. Merciless to the enemies of the CPSU.

      http://versii.com/news/291447/
      1. Mower
        Mower 18 December 2013 10: 18
        -4
        you'll be smejazzo, but in the Crimea Russian books in the afternoon with fire at that time .... however, the entire book deficit was sold in Ukrainian. So I don’t need to scratch
      2. matross
        matross 18 December 2013 11: 11
        +3
        Haha ... the characteristic is clear. Whoever read the party characteristics at the Union will understand. And this is something from "17 Moments of Spring" bully
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 18 December 2013 17: 43
          +2
          He began to read, and his memory helpfully substitutes: a true ARIAN, Characteristic of a member of the NSDLP from that year, the NORDIC character, in defamatory connections (almost one to one), merciless to the enemies of REICH.
          Probably Nevsky_ZU decided to check our vigilance. winked
      3. A. Yaga
        A. Yaga 18 December 2013 21: 45
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Characteristic of a member of the CPSU since March 1988, Fahrion Irina Dmitrievny: a true communist. The nature of the Soviet, discreet. He actively participates in the work of the society of sobriety, encourages the study of the Russian language by foreign students. In connections that defame her, while not seen. He is constantly working to improve his ideological and theoretical level. The party and government policy understands correctly. Participates in community work days. Loves animals, barbars and Soviet holidays. Merciless to the enemies of the CPSU.

        http://versii.com/news/291447/

        lol laughing laughing
    3. valerei
      valerei 18 December 2013 12: 48
      +6
      Igor39, "when the kho_hol was born, all the Jews began to cry." Yanukovych wants to "eat the fish and sit down." He will take the money, hold out until his chance in the elections and throw it away. Well, either he or the next president, but they will definitely throw it. I agree with Samsonov that Russia's policy in Ukraine is toothless and geared towards appeasement. Whom only? Ukrainian thieves. Our money will be taken, stolen and the whole thing will end there. Nothing will reach the people, neither in the form of subsidies and pesias, nor in the form of jobs. This is "do not go to the grandmother." Like ours, one-to-one. An example is Serdyukov.
    4. AVV
      AVV 18 December 2013 14: 37
      -1
      Why take the money from the Russians, and pull out from the shit the one who doesn’t want to get out of there, but will sit up to his ears and still stink from there !!! Where is the logic? And will another leadership in Ukraine come and the money will sink into the summer? Or was it necessary draw up a deposit for this amount! Or are we not devoted to all the details? I would like to believe in it !!!
    5. Makarov
      Makarov 18 December 2013 18: 30
      0
      well, it's not all in, but definitely a "knight's move" ...
    6. georg737577
      georg737577 19 December 2013 02: 14
      +3
      Alas, Putin saved not Ukraine from default, but Yanukovych. Putin's loan will be just as successfully plundered by the convict and his inner circle as the previous ones ... Ordinary citizens will get little. In fact, Putin financed Janek's future election campaign "in advance" ... And still he will not be elected. And any next president The first thing Ukraine will do is to join the EU. Putin could spend this money much more efficiently - on the needs of the population of his own country.
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 19 December 2013 07: 20
        +1
        The West is trying to ruin Russia like the USSR under Gorbachev — to drag it into excessive costs, and then sharply bring down the price of oil. Putin would have thought better where to get these billions.
        1. AVV
          AVV 19 December 2013 10: 41
          0
          The most interesting thing is that no one will appreciate this gesture of goodwill !!! The West protects its loans and provides with all kinds of conditions !!! And Yan didn’t even look in the direction of the TS, but continues to look to the west, is that normal? chairs and something else to demand in return, this is arrogance !!!
    7. just exp
      just exp 19 December 2013 03: 03
      +1
      but ordinary people from Ukraine are purely neighing
    8. blizart
      blizart 20 December 2013 15: 06
      0
      And they are our fat on our own tinsel
  2. ZU-23
    ZU-23 18 December 2013 09: 14
    17
    So it’s already interesting how it all ends. And Putin, as always on top, did everything right and did not offend anyone. So Ukraine live right, they gave you money from the personal reserve of Russia's welfare, and the Americans paid you only for lawlessness and for drinking with concerts.
    1. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 18 December 2013 13: 30
      +5
      Putin is on top, but where are we? Now, if after that we will not increase the transport tax, will not increase utility services, travel in public transport, prices for gasoline and food, etc., only after that Putin will look at his best. So far, I see the combed yang at the "height", although I understand that yang has lost in the strategy. It is clear that Ukraine cannot be lost, but to the agreements on reducing gas prices for hohlove, Russians were pleased at least by a decrease in mortgage rates, at 6-7% and the creation of a developed network of air transportation within the country and ensured their availability. Blat, it's cheaper to fly to China than to Kamchatka.
      1. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 18 December 2013 14: 37
        +3
        Big +. I completely agree. I’m also wondering when will they make concessions for their people?
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 18 December 2013 16: 03
        +1
        Quote: IOwTZ
        If, after this, we don’t have to increase the transport tax, increase housing and communal services, travel in public transport, gasoline and food prices, etc.,

        On the domestic economy, this loan will not affect. They will simply transfer part of the money from American papers to Ukrainian. How many screams were, that Russia's reserve in the USA, now they will cut a little more. Our budget for the next year has been planned and they won’t take anything from there.
      3. olviko
        olviko 18 December 2013 16: 31
        +2
        "Putin is on top, but where are we?"


        Vladimir Putin: In the new year we will live twice as good!
        Question from the audience: And we?
    2. olviko
      olviko 18 December 2013 16: 26
      +3
      "And Putin, as always, is on top, he did everything right"

      . Without giving money to Yanukovych, Putin buys Ukrainian Eurobonds by 15 billion, which instantly raises the price of them by almost 6%. These 6%, as exchange brokers say - at the money, easily stretch the Ukrainian budget deficit. That is, Putin did not give money, but he solved the problem. However, budget deficit problems are only half the problem. There are serious concerns that due to Ukraine’s poor rating, loans will be given to it at a very high percentage, possibly at 20%. There comes the very moment when international banks caught the country and begin to tear it like wounded whale sharks. This is completely in the rules of Western capital. New loans at interest rates go to pay for old loans that were taken at low interest rates. That is, each next loan radically worsens the situation. This process will stop Putin when he “straightens out” Ukraine’s rating thanks to Eurobonds purchased. Now for Ukraine cheap loans will again be possible. Putin places money in Ukrainian Eurobonds, but for them he pulls money out of American bonds - this turns out to be a double blow.
      http://contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3415-putin-pomog-yanukovichu-a-ra
      splachivatsya-za-eto-budut-ssha
      1. IOwTZ
        IOwTZ 18 December 2013 19: 04
        0
        Dear "olviko", you copied it, but you probably still don't understand the essence. I have a question for you - "where did the money in American bonds come from?" their origin? Or so - "if you bring YOUR money to the bank and put it on deposit, is this money yours? Do they work for you or for a neighbor alphabetically in the bank? So, the situation is simple - our money, i.e. Russians (not Putin's) , pulled out of American bonds and this money begins to "work" for Hohlove. What a double blow, what are you talking about? This Russian money was invested in Western securities and worked for the Russian economy (I want to believe). Now they have been pulled out of there and transferred there, where not that with interest, the very body of the debt is unlikely to be returned.Here I would like to hope that Putin received some legal guarantees from Yanukovych, if they suddenly begin to cover up their debts with these bonds or simply scatter them in other places. poo and all his friends ala Serdyukov and Co., but as many as you like ...
  3. jjj
    jjj 18 December 2013 09: 16
    +5
    If at least a little bit it will improve the situation of ordinary people, then Russian help will be not just the best solution, but very advantageous for Russia in strengthening its presence
  4. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 18 December 2013 09: 20
    11
    Colleagues, I don’t understand those Ukrainians who are for Euromaidan. Fair. Does it not reach them that all these Klitschko and Yatsenyuki are NOT ABLE to offer their people? Really it doesn’t reach the Maidan workers that the European Union is not a magic wand, that it has entered - and everything is openwork? Have they forgotten how 9 years ago the same crooks promised a lot of things ???
    But the main thing that I do not understand is that if Ukraine can have, well, for example, engineering and technical cooperation (tanks, planes, ships) with Russia, then everything that Europe can offer (and it’s not a fact that it will) - this is the production of spare parts for AirBass at the Zaporizhzhya aircraft engine plant, i.e. the destruction of Ukrainian national engineering personnel.
    How can you be, in your hatred and stupidity, SUCH blind ?! But those who say that we are, they say, not for the EU, we are simply against V.F. I don’t understand Yanukovych either, because they are not doing bad things to their “against” their current government, but to their country, for those who are eager to be instead of Yanukovych are even worse. And everything will be, I'm sure, like after the Orange Revolution, remember, when the leaders quarreled less than a year later, and USYO CHEF ...
    Our uncle Vova can be blamed in many ways (especially to our Russian national radicals), but in this case, Putin, in my opinion, did the right thing. Yes, we do not meddle with empty political promises, WE are SPECIFICALLY acting. For, I recall the 2004th, when Putin Yanukovych congratulated on the victory in the elections, and the next day - the Maidan happened .....

    And yet, well, that’s what Tyagnibok, Klitschko, Yatsenyuk can offer? What is their economic plan? They don’t voice it, they just make noise that Europe is good, and EVERYTHING.
    1. valerei
      valerei 18 December 2013 13: 00
      +4
      Fuzeler, what a maidan, what brains, considerations of these youngsters! The guys just came to earn it. Bandiuki, under the guise, rob and that's it. Everyone has their own interest. Business and nothing personal.
  5. makarov
    makarov 18 December 2013 09: 24
    +4
    ".. The rotting Kiev regime was given a respite ..."
    Hence the question: why support rotten thieves and the criminal regime ??? he will not become decent from this anyway ...
    1. Skills
      18 December 2013 09: 28
      +8
      The scenario of civil confrontation and its development into a European war is even worse. Of the two evils, the lesser were chosen ...
      1. wirbeln
        wirbeln 18 December 2013 17: 53
        0
        Who will fight in Europe - Poland? Learn from China! Introduced into Afghanistan - there was no world. And to protect the civilian population of Donbas ...
    2. Fin
      Fin 18 December 2013 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      Why rotten thieves and criminal regime support ??? he will not become decent from this anyway ...

      At the first stage, coercion to appropriate behavior took place. Elections in just over a year. Yanyk is a political corpse. During this time, it is necessary to prepare a pro-Russian successor. I hope this time they will not be mistaken.
      1. Mower
        Mower 18 December 2013 10: 16
        0
        Yes, the same Medvedchuk or Tsarev won ... are quite adequate
        1. georg737577
          georg737577 19 December 2013 12: 48
          0
          Medvedchuk and Tsarev are pea jesters, only a person who is very far from our realities can suggest their candidacies for the presidency in modern Ukraine. By the way, these names are not well known to the people. And in general, at the moment there are no real "pro-Russian" parties. Medvedchuk mainly works out Putin's money on Russian channels - he is not heard of in Ukraine.
      2. makarov
        makarov 18 December 2013 13: 38
        +1
        In Ukraine, unfortunately, a different system of measurement, the winner is not the one for whom the VOTE was VOTED, but the one for whom the votes were "correctly" COUNTED. Don't be amused by hope.
    3. Mower
      Mower 18 December 2013 10: 15
      -1
      But do you need to support Olezhka Tsegelsky?
    4. vladeinord
      vladeinord 18 December 2013 10: 23
      +1
      Good day! Do you think the revolution will be better?
      1. Mower
        Mower 18 December 2013 10: 28
        0
        but where do you see the revolution? The revolution is when the basics tries ...... and here Ahmetka against Kolomoisky and Rabinovich ..... what tries revolution?
    5. M. Peter
      M. Peter 18 December 2013 11: 02
      0
      Quote: makarov
      Hence the question: why support rotten thieves and the criminal regime ??? he will not become decent from this anyway ...

      And whom to support? For all that, Yanukovych, the lawfully elected president of Ukraine, will not appeal to Medvedchuk, this will certainly be a manipulation, based on the division of the country into two parts.
      Support for the current government is the best option, in any other option it will only get worse.
      1. Mower
        Mower 18 December 2013 11: 13
        0
        And this is definitely worse than Jewish tales of freedom?
    6. Asgard
      Asgard 18 December 2013 11: 39
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      ".. The rotting Kiev regime was given a respite ..."
      Hence the question: why support rotten thieves and the criminal regime ??? he will not become decent from this anyway ...

      The fact is that in addition to thieves' regimes, there is NOTHING that in Russia, in Ukraine.
      Play, those "figures" that wait on the table))) Or do you seriously think that Janek and Vova, something "themselves" thought, stopped resting in the intermountain region and in the sochi and decided to unite and save the "Community" ... ...
      They didn’t do it before. fought "gas wars", allowed the situation to go over the "edge", created customs barriers for the Navy and took away the Lighthouses in Balaklava ...
      As for this, it prevented the Russian authorities from campaigning and spreading influence throughout Ukraine, THIS IS POLICY (sane)))
      And what do we see, the gas prices have been lowered (under the influence of circumstances) and not of good will ...
      They give money, and it’ll be 100% stolen, and the people, as always, will get the Tiny SMALL ...
      This is not serious and looks like something unnatural ... they are forced to deal with the clown Yanukovych and the "imitator of the activities" of Putin, the Integration PROCESS unusual for them ...
      There will be kookies))))
      1. valerei
        valerei 18 December 2013 13: 03
        +2
        Asgard, I wrote about this above, though it is shorter, and therefore I subscribe to your every word. You can’t say everything correctly and more precisely.
      2. Shur
        Shur 18 December 2013 22: 29
        -1
        A good word, by the way, is "imitator". wassat Wow . kadazh organ will be natural :))
      3. georg737577
        georg737577 19 December 2013 12: 52
        0
        Quote: Asgard

        "-The fact is that apart from the thieves' regimes there is NOTHING, that in Russia, that in Ukraine."

        Golden words! Plus to you!
    7. w2000
      w2000 18 December 2013 17: 14
      0
      So in Russia, we have exactly the same oligarchic, criminal, anti-people regime. Brother, brother sent a share from the common fund.
      1. wirbeln
        wirbeln 18 December 2013 17: 59
        0
        Namely, Nizalizhna Ukraine will answer.
    8. wirbeln
      wirbeln 18 December 2013 17: 49
      0
      I agree. I am for the section. They got Zapadentsy. How many wolves do not feed - he looks into the forest.
  6. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 18 December 2013 09: 28
    +3
    Well, what remains? Hope and wait that a civil war will not start in Ukraine ...
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  8. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 18 December 2013 10: 07
    -2
    Everything is going great. Remained nonsense. Little nothings of life. Dump Yanukovych from the organized criminal group represented by the Party of Regions. They will plunder. Find the leader of the civic unity movement and chase all politicians in the neck, as it was in the early days of the Maidan. Well done, that the slogan was removed from the tree "Yulia will". If you want to flunk the case, trust the Ukrainian opposition. So, what is next? People protest in the cold, Yatsenyuk boycotts in the Rada. It is necessary to work in the Rada and show the people from the rostrum all the meanness of the regionals and communists. While the Rada is on the air with us and the people see this whole mess. Romanov sent me here to the Maidan. Ride with his wife for the weekend, "on the ball" with the regionals. What I want to say. What a high self-organization on Euromaidan of the quartermaster, commandant services and headquarters, a ready-made cabinet of ministers. On anti-Maidan, everything is organized by the authorities, Kazenshina shows through. When communicating with each other, opinions about the future path of Ukraine are different. They are united in only one thing, Drive this organized criminal group out of power. This is what unites east and west.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 December 2013 10: 19
      +8
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      . Romanov sent me to the Maidan here.

      And what didn’t stay there, since everything is there ..
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      What is the high self-organization on the Euromaidan of the commissariat, commandant services and staff, is the cabinet ready

      It’s better to tell about piled entrances and mountains of garbage.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 18 December 2013 10: 27
        0
        Listen, novels, mean soul. You can ban, but do not poke, you break a poke. I saw both Maidan with my own eyes, And you are the language of Kiselyov. From ... from me ... hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 December 2013 10: 39
          +6
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          You can ban, but do not poke, you break a poke

          Yeah, schA ran after your rudeness to call you YOU.
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          . From ... from me

          Yes, in every second of your posts, you insert my nickname, and then yell, leave me alone laughing And judging by your cons, about the garbage and pocked porches, I got to the point wink
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 18 December 2013 10: 48
            +5
            laughing laughing laughing how that bit .... about the porches! Well, A.R. exactly ! I called up the other day, and yes it is ... and there, by and large !!! laughing
          2. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 18 December 2013 10: 57
            -8
            Here it clung, like a bath leaf to .... Directly "it" is somehow. novels, if you are a moderator, this does not mean a provocateur. Also cheap. From ... fool hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 December 2013 11: 17
              +4
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              .... Directly "it" is somehow. novels, if you are a moderator, this does not mean a provocateur

              And what does moderation have to do with it, you sit and the nightingale flood in admiring the geimaidan. You think I am past such a proid, no, not a proid. You like haimaidan, so admire and get what you deserve to pair with Tyagnibok and everyone else.
              1. Captain Vrungel
                Captain Vrungel 18 December 2013 11: 42
                -6
                You! Don't compare me to tyagnybok. You! You have an idea what I'm writing about. You, open up and see who I am with. And the people say it correctly. Don't touch "but" there won't be "nyat". Axis. Kiselevskoe "zombie". Write the last name in the nickname with a capital letter, or is it not a surname, but are you from novels?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 December 2013 11: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Captain Vrungel
                  You, open and look with whom I am.

                  I read it, that's why I am writing this, or can I send your comments to me, where did you record Bandera’s friends?
                  Quote: Captain Vrungel
                  Write a surname in a nick with a capital letter

                  Do not tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go.
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 19 December 2013 02: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    and I won’t tell you where to go.

                    And you say bully And write yourself a warning wassat Hi drinks Is it hard here without me to dismiss the Eurobogeys? laughing
              2. In the book
                In the book 18 December 2013 12: 21
                -6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                you sit and nightingale fill up

                And why offend a person?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                admiring geimaidan

                You are definitely crazy: geymaydan, fascists, svidomity, maydauny, ....
                You were there? Or is it enough for you that Mr. Kiselyov told you in zombies?
                Quote: Tatarus
                drug riot

                Quote: Tatarus
                stoned

                Quote: Tatarus
                instead of brain contraceptives

                Quote: Tatarus
                Pithecanthropic minority

                is it necessary to have a dialogue with your opponents?
                I am shocked by those here.
                It seems that you have something that is not something to prove, you can’t even say,
                you to all the answers (see quotes above)
                Until recently, I considered this site worth reading. But after such streams of dirt, that's too much.
                Build your Russia, and do not touch my country with your tongues.
                Farewell.
                Live richly and happily. Eat the noodles of your Kiselyov.
                And we will deal with bandits and thieves.
                As the Japanese say - "Dawn always comes after the night"
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 December 2013 13: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: Libr

                  And why offend a person?

                  While they insult me, only me.
                  Quote: Libr
                  You were there? Or is it enough for you that Mr. Kiselyov told you in zombies?

                  Fuck me your Kiselev, I’m watching your live stream from your sites !!!
                  Quote: Libr
                  is it necessary to have a dialogue with your opponents?

                  A normal person will stand on the geimaidan with the Nazis ??????
                  Quote: Libr
                  Farewell.

                  gathered in the EU, good bye laughing
            2. Shur
              Shur 18 December 2013 22: 32
              0
              Write on mov ..
        2. O_RUS
          O_RUS 19 December 2013 14: 01
          0
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          I saw both Maidan with my own eyes


          And what did it give you? Seeing is not enough.
    2. Fin
      Fin 18 December 2013 12: 01
      +5
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      What a high self-organization on Euromaidan of the commandant, commandant services and headquarters, ready cabinet.

      Your delight in the access control with the password "Glory ......", the timely distribution of food, cookies ....? An ordinary field military camp. And besides that, what are you so amazed at that you even saw the cabinet of ministers in them? Are they all professional managers?
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Only one in one, Drive this organized crime group from power.

      After a year with a little such an opportunity to introduce myself. Kiev then why litter?
      You'd better think why it was now and who benefits.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 18 December 2013 16: 23
        -1
        It's not my fault that you only like it. I prefer the order within the Maidan. That outside, all claims to the city council. Do not drive janitors to rallies, but they must be cleaned. I have said more than once that both the CU and the EU are the same hell, only from different gardens. Beneficial to whom? Well, not to the people. Who is afraid of the Maidan-power. Maidan today does not stand for the EU, but against the bandits of power, which means that on the Maidan Bandera, nationalists, tyagnibokovtsy, maydanut in the understanding of Romanov. But you should not be offended by zombies. After all, the mind, honor and conscience of this forum.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 18 December 2013 16: 45
          +1
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          I have repeatedly said that the CU and the EU are the same horseradish, only from different gardens

          it's tin !!! I understand, of course, those who have been brainwashed by a Western sweetie, but you’re kind of thinking! Of course, I won’t list the pros or cons ... as for me, very obvious things are happening on the Maidan.
    3. silver_roman
      silver_roman 18 December 2013 16: 27
      +1
      By the way, I was surprised how the "field kitchen" was organized on the Maidan.
      Mc Donalds dries up. one chops firewood, another prints dry rations, prepares a third sandwich, throws 25 on plates ... here you have kitchen appliances and everything you need. you can immediately see "the people are on strike." every native of the people has everything described, these are all the attributes of essentials ... yes yes!

      shorter than the banter is enough. I mean, the organization is already sooo good ... technology is visible.
      Well, the creator of these technologies, and so they all know in person.

      I just didn’t understand your position on the Maidan, because did not read all the comments. I'm not talking about skating with A.R.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 18 December 2013 17: 43
        0
        I only support the Maidan in one. Dump Yanukovych and organized crime groups from that region. And there are enough people of the same opinion on the Maidan. They don't support politicians. You can see how the Maidan reacts. The entire Maidan responds positively to the call "Get out Gang". Others, selectively.
        We have neither the state, nor its model, nor the direction of development. Everything that has been fenced in for 20 years is not a state. This is a wild robbery of the country, fuck the kidal rulers who have climbed into power. The East-West problem is deliberately created by the ideologues of the PR, who are afraid of the unification of the people of Ukraine like fire, who will sweep them away like boring garbage. As soon as the people came to the Maidan, the provocateurs of the PR started immediately, inciting east to west. Kiselev immediately swept in Russia with tubs of dirt on the Maidan (God forbid, the people will go out to Bolotnaya so resolutely and fearlessly). Our "political scientist" of the novels, sitting on the banks of the distant La Perouse Strait, has information and knows the situation better than eyewitnesses. Sweep this power to the ground, and then build your new world with mutually beneficial relations with neighbors and countries of near and far abroad. The oligarchs are economically dependent. The people have nothing to lose. Ukraine is not as poor as they are trying to present it.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 18 December 2013 18: 08
          +2
          at the expense of the authorities, I completely agree and support you.
          Here are just a few:
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The east-west problem is created consciously by the ideologists of the PR

          and who are these ideologies of PR ??? looking at the power, looking at the yanyk one thing comes to my mind: it is too dumb to play in geopolitics. but the ideologists who act TV shadow, yeah!
          It seems to me that the origin of these ideologists is at least not Slavic!

          at the expense of Ukraine’s independence: it has not been independent for hundreds of years and now nothing has changed. It was one thing when Ukraine was a partner, another thing was a colony.
          The mentality of the people has already developed: to rely on the CENTER at a difficult moment. When Ukraine was the center and place of origin of Kievan Rus.

          In short, the essence is to unite the pieces of our people.
          I don’t believe any Nastradamus, etc., but even Vanga once said that if the three nations are united, then no one will defeat them. This is not about Uzbeks, Tajiks and Azeri, as you know)))
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 18 December 2013 20: 42
            +1
            I talked about this constantly before Maidan. But then a "political scientist-revisionist" appeared. He's a great shit-hunting specialist. Well, straight Bondarenko. So I wound up with him. I understand that a cheap provocateur, but ...
            We have the same flags with you. It’s more expensive for us. The world of capitalism in capitalist unions does not last forever. But the people must be united. Together - we are force.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 19 December 2013 18: 30
              0
              at the expense of your skirmishes - this is your business. it doesn’t matter to me.
              the main thing is that our ideas and thoughts coincide !!!
              but in general there were provocateurs, are and always will be.
    4. georg737577
      georg737577 19 December 2013 12: 55
      0
      I shake your hand, captain!
  9. Tatarus
    Tatarus 18 December 2013 10: 13
    +2
    Quote: Fuzeler
    Colleagues, I don’t understand those Ukrainians who are for Euromaidan. Fair. Does it not reach them that all these Klitschko and Yatsenyuki are NOT ABLE to offer their people?


    Yes, they seem to be stoned there in the majority. So much like drug rioting. I don’t give a damn what to yell at just to give a dose. In general, situevina is paradoxical. The Pithecanthropic minority dictates to the working majority how to live. In a minority, instead of the brains of used contraceptives, this is understandable. But most of them didn’t understand what kind of subject they shut their mouths into. Ah Ukrainians .. Do you think you’ll put things in order? Or now why should Russia not unfasten?
    1. garlik
      garlik 18 December 2013 12: 13
      +1
      That's right tatarus about the majority is absolutely correct
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  10. Nitarius
    Nitarius 18 December 2013 10: 28
    +3
    ADD TO Opposition IN UKRAINE! and Ukraine is a member of the CU Union! Well, how can you like BABE thin BACK then turn ..... and then it will wait EVERYONE WILL BE RIPPED off like a goat
  11. 020205
    020205 18 December 2013 11: 02
    +1
    In recent years, Gazprom has strangled Ukraine with high gas prices, showing that it’s time to end the “holiday of life” at the expense of Russia I’m embarrassed to ask, they should have kissed so much that they wouldn’t get stuck in the EU? In general, it seems to me that this Maidan waltz will end soon, so I’m tired of throwing money into the hole, then it’s all over, they’re not used to that all take so long stretches, in Egypt, Libya, Syria was poorer, but then look, as if the east did not belong to the west or vice versa, and there are no people who want to tear each other's throats
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 19 December 2013 14: 11
      +1
      Quote: 020205
      In recent years, Gazprom has choked Ukraine with high gas prices,


      Everyone was hanged at Gazprom laughing
  12. Gost
    Gost 18 December 2013 11: 05
    +2
    It is nonsense to invest the money we need in Ukraine. Yes to them FSUs, they will continue to yell on the Maidan, all the same you will not force to work. Why do we need Ukraine, our problems are few, gas at a free price, tomorrow they will gather again in NATO and we will give them more money? They wanted independence, so let them feel all the charms of a Free country.
  13. Evkur
    Evkur 18 December 2013 11: 12
    0
    What does our leadership think is not clear ?! Money will be plundered, and after the revolution a new president will come (an example of cuba) and Russia will be forgiven (written off) by a generous soul, because Ukraine will never be able to pay it back !!! And even when they have not paid for gas so far, millions of debts to Gazprom !!!!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 18 December 2013 16: 15
      0
      Quote: Evkur
      What does our leadership think is not clear ?! Money will be plundered, and after the revolution a new president will come (an example of cuba) and Russia will be forgiven (written off) by a generous soul, because Ukraine will never be able to pay it back !!!

      Evkur, a little confusing the essence of this loan. To make it easier, I will explain it this way ... This is not a loan, but the purchase of state shares. Such papers may be sold and bought. That, taking into account the fact that now the rating of Ukraine is low, then in the future, with its even slight increase, the value of these securities will increase. In general, GDP, Ukraine bought shares at the bottom, and can sell on the rise. Sores, by the way this year, also bought out part of Ukraine's debt obligations.
  14. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 18 December 2013 11: 13
    +1
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    What a high self-organization on Euromaidan of the commissariat, commandant services and headquarters, a ready-made cabinet.

    Of course, after all, everything was paid by the geyropa and consultants from there, and there is Klitschko as the overseer. It’s useless to speak with him, he can’t connect two words, but he’s laughing
  15. Mhpv
    Mhpv 18 December 2013 11: 21
    +1
    All that we are now going to hear on TV or read on the Internet, or the media is just an attempt by journalists and any analysts to guess what was there. Yesterday I specially watched Masha on the "Rain" and so just one of the "Komsomolskaya Pravda" said that such issues are resolved at the top quickly and top secretly, and no one will fully know what guarantees Putin demanded, but that he demanded it for sure, and Yanukovych has no other choice. Now the Maidan snot will subside, the West has spent quite a bit on tents and concerts, but the result is zero. The coward, the Experienced and the Goonies probably already have a future fate, one at least has somewhere to escape, but these two ...
    Yanukovych will spend his time, and then they will pull up the candidate, as Zamkadokosilshchik called here.
    In general, while neither Europe nor the states are able to cope or beat Putin, and Europe does not really need it, they are again trying to set her against Russia. Let Europe recall Bismarck’s words laughing
  16. Evkur
    Evkur 18 December 2013 11: 35
    0
    Where he went, the Jew has nothing to do! Remember the saying and making decisions!
  17. godun
    godun 18 December 2013 11: 40
    +1
    Cookies from the USA, against 15 billion from the Russian Federation, the choice is yours, brothers Slavs. And the "holy trinity" from the opposition should not be taken seriously, they have one goal (do not think that they care about the people) - this is power. Although the current government is also not very ...
  18. thrush75
    thrush75 18 December 2013 11: 49
    +1
    During these years of "timelessness" in Ukraine, a whole generation of people who do not know about life in the USSR has grown up. They received an idea of ​​life from the almost official "Svidomo". Therefore, there can be no talk of division, otherwise you can get such a shalman that Chechnya will seem like a candy The number of Westerners is small in relation to the general population of Ukraine, but their activity is very high, and after their oligarchs try to strike back by subsidizing various shares (they have accumulated a lot of assets), a full-fledged civil war will turn out. With tank wedges, carpet bombing and art-mixing ( ((
  19. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 18 December 2013 11: 57
    +1
    Russia has broken down, and it’s a pity, for the sake of one Galicia where Slavic Janissaries live, it wasn’t worth preserving Ukraine within its current borders, a cancerous tumor can only be removed otherwise it will eat the whole body and this is confirmed by at least 22 years of independence, and Russia again stepped on a rake
    1. wirbeln
      wirbeln 18 December 2013 18: 16
      0
      I agree. I am for the section. They got Zapadentsy. How many wolves do not feed - he looks into the forest.
  20. garlik
    garlik 18 December 2013 12: 05
    0
    Yes, the articles are sad. Particularly struck by the increase in power of the Poles belay Indeed, the situation is very sad
  21. Nursultan
    Nursultan 18 December 2013 12: 11
    0
    If the Kremlin begins to actively strengthen in Ukraine (on the outskirts), then howl will raise "The invaders are advancing." It's the same with other former Soviet republics. We sleep peacefully only because of the fact that we enter the CSTO. But the people want unity with Russia. I'm not talking about migrants but those who live in their homeland and are trying to raise it. We need a broad economic presence of Russia. After all, with money will come stability and work, and then respect for your employer ... I think so ...
  22. Lesorub
    Lesorub 18 December 2013 12: 16
    +4
    Russian Respect !!! Obviously, in this situation, the regime of Yanukovych was saved, now he came with a new price for gas, and with a loan! The default is clearly canceled. (if once again they do not pull). On the other hand, where Putin was with his influence and concern before, because there are a lot of Russians living in Ukraine! (Eastern Ukraine is entirely for the Great Friendship with Russia - economically, socially and without borders!)
    Yanukovych is clearly not being re-elected for the next term - a mediocre politician !!!
    The opposition is pulling with all its might to Europe, "as if it was smeared with cheese", without presenting a single concept for the development of the Ukrainian economy! Neither Klitschko nor Yatsinyuk think about the consequences!
    Obviously not enough Koba for this darkness!
  23. Sigismund
    Sigismund 18 December 2013 12: 48
    +1
    A very serious, hidden game is going on. Based on the recent events, it is clear that the chaos on our borders, which could have occurred after the collapse of the Ukrainian economy, is still being postponed. I think that delaying the situation in time should bring its results. Only the question of "re-education Zapadentsev "does not stand up to criticism. If it is possible, it is too long-term, the staff understand this and will not give it, and they will continue, through them, to destabilize the situation in Ukraine. The collapse of Ukraine is likely to happen. The question is when and how?
  24. 020205
    020205 18 December 2013 12: 55
    -1
    Quote: garlik
    Yes, the articles are sad. Particularly struck by the increase in power of the Poles belay Indeed, the situation is very sad

    the Poles are building up their power because they are pissing, so they are building up, there’s nothing more to see! 500 years ago they felt themselves as men, they’ve broken their horns, so they can’t put up with it, they burn their thighs with boiling water
    1. garlik
      garlik 18 December 2013 13: 22
      +2
      Oh, I wouldn’t treat the Poles so harshly. This is the evil and most ancient enemy. Perhaps in quantitative terms of battles and battles, enemy number 1 is evil and desperate. Again, the "miracle on the vistle" is the evil destruction of our prisoners of war in the camps in 1922.
  25. Mhpv
    Mhpv 18 December 2013 13: 10
    0
    The American hawk again confused the airfields:
    Jewish organizations in the United States and Israel are outraged that Republican Senator John McCain talked with the head of the Ukrainian nationalist Freedom Party Oleg Tyagnibok during a visit to Kiev. Both politicians performed on the same stage in front of “supporters of European integration”.
    - McCain made a mistake. He clearly had no idea who he was on the same stage with. If he knew who Tyagnibok is, then this is much more serious. This shows how indiscriminate American politicians are, Rt.com quotes the head of the Jerusalem branch of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, Efraim Zuroff.
    According to him, Tyagnibok and his deputy Igor Miroshnichenko are included in the ten most ardent anti-Semites of the world for the 2012 year, compiled by the Wiesenthal Center. The center even recommended that the State Department include the participants in the list among those whose presence in the United States is undesirable.
    Tyagnibok and Miroshnichenko are in fifth place on this list - after the organization of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Iranian government, the Brazilian cartoonist Carlos Latuff and fans of the British football club Tottenham.

    Tyagnibok was included in this list for calls for reprisals against Jews and other national minorities. And Miroshnichenko - because he called the actress of Ukrainian origin Mila Kunis "Jew". It is also known that in May 2010, Tyagnibok received the Golden Cross in Canada from the hands of veterans of the SS Galicia division. Former Nazis handed him the award "for services to Ukraine."

    The famous Israeli publicist Avigdor Eskin handed over to Izvestia copies of letters from two members of the US House of Representatives from New York State - Hakim Jeffries and Yvette Clark. Messages were sent to Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Ambassador of Ukraine to the United States Alexander Motsik. In them, lawmakers express dissatisfaction with the growing influence of the Freedom party in Ukraine, the ideology of which they see as "close to neo-Nazi." Congressmen are worried by the fact that the party, openly inciting violence against ethnic minorities, managed to break into the Verkhovna Rada.
    - A politician from the USA, who advocates democracy and universal values, found a partner in the person of Tyagnibok. This is the price of the principle that all means are good for achieving a strategic goal, ”says Konstantin Zatulin, head of the Institute of CIS Countries.

    The political scientist recalled that even the Alliance of European Nationalist Movements excluded the Freedom party from its membership “for extreme forms of chauvinism and anti-Semitism in ideology”.
    “As you can see, for the same McCain or the head of European diplomacy Catherine Ashton, this is in no way a reason to refuse to meet with Tyagnibok,” Zatulin added. - They turn a blind eye to this and still call everything a struggle to realize the right of the Ukrainian people to enter Europe.
    The NewsBalt website complements that Nazi heroization takes place not only in Ukraine, but also in some EU countries (Latvia and Estonia). And while the Ukrainian authorities are smart enough not to make this a state policy, in the Baltic countries the “veterans” of the SS receive a pension, as participants in the Second World War, have benefits (which, incidentally, are not available to veterans who fought as part of the Red Army) can openly conduct their marches and engage in propaganda among young people.
  26. 020205
    020205 18 December 2013 13: 52
    0
    Quote: garlik
    Oh, I wouldn’t treat the Poles so harshly. This is the evil and most ancient enemy. Perhaps in quantitative terms of battles and battles, enemy number 1 is evil and desperate. Again, the "miracle on the vistle" is the evil destruction of our prisoners of war in the camps in 1922.

    Well, why would they build something else there?
    1. garlik
      garlik 18 December 2013 15: 16
      0
      To bite off more and more satisfying and geographic request
  27. atos_kin
    atos_kin 18 December 2013 14: 05
    0
    After the economic bandwagon from Russia, the "European integrators" (more precisely, the European provocateurs), together with the transatlantic puppeteers, will have to get out of the storerooms prepared in advance the methods of radically changing public opinion: explosions, arson, murders, etc. To prevent this disastrous (as described in the article) scenario, now is the time to arrest the three-headed elite and harshly (I emphasize HARD) eliminate the Nazi militants. If Janek will "lisp" further, Ukraine will turn into the outskirts of the EU and the CU.
  28. washi
    washi 18 December 2013 14: 10
    +1
    The first articles were prettier.
    And this is complete nonsense.
    We started with the armament of Poland. Nato will not attack the outskirts. And if he attacks, he will receive in return.

    In addition, the Russian government will place in the securities of Ukraine $ 15 billion from the reserves of the National Wealth Fund. I must say that this amount is comparable to the amount of funds allocated from the NWF for Russian infrastructure projects. Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov noted that Russia will place $ 15 billion in Ukraine's sovereign international bonds in 2013 and 2014. Russia within a week will buy back two-year Eurobonds of Ukraine in the amount of $ 3 billion. This money will allow to pay debts and hold out to Kiev in the next two years before the presidential election. In response, Yanukovych during the implementation of joint venture projects is ready allow Russia to strategic sites.
    In addition, instead of 3% of American papers, they invested in 5% of the outskirts, with a pledge in the form of enterprises.
    I believe that it is profitable to exchange candy wrappers for real production.
    Someone on the site was worried that our money is stored in candy wrappers.
    Almost bought the industry with labor. They started a panic.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 18 December 2013 14: 44
      0
      Quote: Vasya
      The first articles were prettier.
      And this is complete nonsense.

      Dull to the same. Quite biased value judgments without the proposed alternative solutions.
      Reliance, again, on .., a kind of "authoritative" opinions of Pavlovsky and Minchenko.
      Belkovsky still would have pulled up, as well as "Vedomosti" and "Obshchaya Gazeta".
  29. Avdy
    Avdy 18 December 2013 14: 19
    -1
    ... the thesis that the “zapadentsev” (Western Russia, whose consciousness is completely struck by Western programs) is better to give to Europe, is wrong. With appropriate work, propaganda, everything can be changed. The consciousness of people is changing quite quickly. There are psycho-information technologies for this. It is not even necessary to carry out mass repressions, it is enough to neutralize several thousand outright enemies (the "fifth column") and send hopeless ideological fools.

    A sound thought, and there is someone to take an example from (Lukashenko, for example)
    We must start with ourselves: in Russia there are enough of our own "ideological fools".
  30. Sirop
    Sirop 18 December 2013 15: 32
    +1
    Give Ukraine to the TS !!!!!!!!!!
  31. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 18 December 2013 16: 03
    0
    Quote: Sh.O.K.
    Big +. I completely agree. I’m also wondering when will they make concessions for their people?


    Come on, what are you, what concessions. Look at the news in Yandex - "the debts of the North Caucasus for gas exceeded 50 billion rubles." Our people will pay for gifts to Yanukovych, incl. and we are with you (except for the North Caucasus). The price of oil is rushing, money is not measured ... What costs him 10 billion there, 20 billion there ... we will work it out.
  32. ss19
    ss19 18 December 2013 16: 08
    -1
    Yes, guys ... why are you tearing up your throat and pouring mud on Ukraine? You should have been happy that we would go to the EU, and now another spinnaw. And of you, given that the majority of narrow-minded thinks and further tabula "America and the EU are aggressors, there are only blue and in general everything is wrong with them, but we have black soil and rockets and we are naked in bast shoes, but we are awesome" then you won't live far ...
    1. wirbeln
      wirbeln 18 December 2013 18: 27
      -2
      Not you, but zapadentsy! Little Russia with Russia. Anya we’ll live, what’s your business.
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 19 December 2013 14: 19
      0
      Quote: ss19
      but we are awesome "then you won't live far.



      in ... representative of the new Euro-Ukraine ... Euro-Ukrainian
  33. Sax
    Sax 18 December 2013 16: 14
    -4
    Quote: Fin
    During this time, it is necessary to prepare a pro-Russian successor.

    Will you cook in Moscow?
  34. observer
    observer 18 December 2013 16: 38
    +3
    The USSR "melted", Bender's _ovno surfaced in Ukraine
  35. German Titov
    German Titov 18 December 2013 17: 07
    +2
    Quote: obozrevatel
    The USSR "melted", Bender's _ovno surfaced in Ukraine

    Yes, you don’t need to say that for the whole of Ukraine. But instead of V.I. Lenin, there will be a monument to Ruslana)))
    1. Sax
      Sax 18 December 2013 17: 43
      -2
      And it will be right
  36. sxn278619
    sxn278619 18 December 2013 17: 22
    0
    Cuba 29 billion forgiven and fraternal (Putin) Ukraine 19 forgive. After all, Russia has 500 billion in US bonds at 3%; they are idle. Bangladesh is also going to give Venezuela a nuclear power station to develop oil. The main thing is not to give it to them, they will goofing stupid, they will buy tablets.
  37. saag
    saag 18 December 2013 17: 34
    -4
    Quote: German Titov
    But instead of V.I. Lenin, there will be a monument to Ruslana)))

    "... The Maidan was seething, excitement and impatience were in the air, there was no such tension even during the last putsch, in the center, covered with a tarpaulin, the intrigue of today's one rose, finally the steward raised his hand calling the citizens to order, went up to the dais and pulled the tarp, exposing the hidden, the people instantly lost their speech - in front of them, standing on the toe of one leg and throwing the other back in an easy run, Ruslana rose from the spongy, like foam, silver naked Ruslana with the body and head of Aphrodite Anadiomene. The raised face, arms outstretched to the sky combined soaring skyward and tender, full of love embrace of the whole world.

    The play of moonlight on a polished silver body gave the goddess a magical transparency. The froth-born, woven from the light of the stars, arose on the coast of Cyprus from the sea to raise the gaze of mortals to the stars and the beauty of their loved ones, tearing away from the daily necessities of Gaia and the dark power of the dungeons of Cybele. The halo of mental and bodily purity, clothed the goddess with a soft shine coming from within. Never before have people seen a statue that evokes such a powerful charm ... "
    1. Sax
      Sax 18 December 2013 18: 03
      -3
      Well, unlike the sexually preoccupied Rosimperians, Ruslana really conquered and charmed very, very many. True, they are all normal people. Without malice and envy. wink
      1. saag
        saag 18 December 2013 18: 23
        -1
        Read Lenin, article "Advice of an outsider", volume 34 of the works, it is about how to make a revolution
      2. O_RUS
        O_RUS 19 December 2013 14: 25
        0
        Quote: Sax
        Ruslana really conquered and charmed very, very many.


        Yes you are right. But in order to achieve such success, seduction of men requires training, which happened to Ruslana ... from an early age, something like training geishas.
  38. Sax
    Sax 18 December 2013 17: 59
    0
    Quote: ss19
    Yes guys ... why are you tearing so hard and watering Ukraine with mud?

    Well yes. But what about the increase in RosVPK? You cannot build an aircraft carrier, a super-heavy ICBM is the same. This is a complete paragraph! What, then, about the dream of a great empire? There are clearly not enough resources. And here are the shipyards, and "Yuzhmash", and Antonov, and Malysheva, and about radar technologies and control systems in general are silent ... The horse understands that no one takes Iskander seriously in Kaliningrad. Anyone sane understands that if GOD DON'T give (!) Something, they won't even let the tractors start. Of course, God forbid. Nobody.
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  39. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 18 December 2013 18: 06
    +1
    Putin places money in Ukrainian Eurobonds, but for them he pulls money out of American bonds - this turns out to be a double blow.

    Tell me please, in American Eurobonds, where did the money come from?
    1. Sax
      Sax 18 December 2013 19: 13
      +1
      Bravo! This is the economy! Moreover, with a "double blow".
      Respect for you and, if possible, I will add: will the "double blow" enthusiasts outline the structure of the BPF, its sources, deployment and support?
  40. Snoop
    Snoop 18 December 2013 20: 21
    0
    CIS countries only do that the loot is pulled from Russia. Like, you can’t help, we’re like that in NATO, the European Union, etc. The path of blackmail. And you got used to a freebie.
  41. alone
    alone 18 December 2013 21: 44
    0
    They are all discussing. They are proposing, they are even planning to divide Ukraine to the west and east. Brother and brother do not do this. No.
    1. vikov
      vikov 18 December 2013 22: 22
      +1
      Blessed is he who believes, and men believe that they live in the Union, like those on the Maidan, and the meeting ahead will be on the Dnieper, as on Yelba, the only problem is that those on Maidan they have no idea about the Union, unless heard about the Holodomor, but saw life in the West, and here are relatives with a non-Slavic appearance - we are your brothers. belay
  42. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 18 December 2013 22: 45
    0
    One bad thing is that a lot of time was lost. Yanukovych, of course, had to not be reduced to such a disgrace and not spoil relations with Russia by an unsuccessful attempt at European integration. And after all, he and the Ukrainian Communists were warned by Russian politicians, with experts. It was necessary to build mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia, to hold a referendum on joining the CU, you see, we would have already entered and developed normally, we were trading, and now a normal Christmas tree would have stood on the Independence Square in Kiev, and not this garden scarecrow, and round dances would have taken place kids, not a crowd of maydanut zapadentsev.
  43. igor788
    igor788 19 December 2013 00: 37
    -2
    The battle for Ukraine with the world Jewish mafia
  44. official
    official 19 December 2013 01: 58
    +1
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    The east-west problem is created consciously by PR ideologists who are afraid of the unification of the people of Ukraine like fire, who will sweep them away like annoying garbage. As soon as the people came to the Maidan, the provocateurs of the PR earned immediately, setting the east and west.

    Excuse me, do we live in one country? I’m not going to turn on what kind of channel on TV - it’s exclusively about the heroes of the Euromaidan and the villains from power, the nationally Svidomo residents of the Western regions and the backward, clogged, bandit-corrupt, paid by Moscow (choose any) residents of the East. Tell me, am I wrong?
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 19 December 2013 03: 08
      +1
      Quote: official
      I’m not going to turn on which channel on the TV - it’s exclusively about the heroes of the Euromaidan and the villains from power,

      It's already interesting what - if on all channels, including state ones, it’s only about where the government is and in which country you live7 In Russia, in the 90s, only NTV croaked against and where is the same Kiselev and so on?
  45. Marconi41
    Marconi41 19 December 2013 06: 02
    +1
    Strange affair! Putin gives money to Ukraine, reduces gas costs and does not make harsh statements. Why?! What awaits !?
    But the answer lies on the surface - the Olympics!
    Remember in due time about. Damansky. The SA could kick the Chinese in 2 counts, but did not do this, leaving the border guards to resolve the conflict. Who remembers why? Answer: At that very time, a festival of youth and students was going on in Moscow. But as soon as the festival was over - the Chinese instantly "orgebli" in full.
    So it may be that now the GDP is waiting for the end of the event and then it will express its exact and tough position on Ukraine. In my opinion this is quite logical! Yes Chef? !!!!
  46. demotivator
    demotivator 19 December 2013 07: 21
    0
    Quote: Marconi41
    Remember in due time about. Damansky. The SA could kick the Chinese in 2 counts, but did not do this, leaving the border guards to resolve the conflict. Who remembers why? Answer: At this very time in Moscow there was a festival of youth and students.

    Well, remember this. Border conflict on about. Damansky took place in March 1969. And the world youth festivals in Moscow were held the sixth - in 1957. and then only on the 12th summer of 1985. As you can see, neither one nor the other did not interfere with the Soviet leadership in full measure to use force to repel Chinese aggression. In Damansky, in addition to reinforcements from neighboring border outposts, reserves of the Pacific and Far Eastern border districts were involved. Reinforced outfits of border guards came to Damansky, and the 135th motorized rifle division of the Soviet Army was deployed in the rear with artillery and BM-21 Grad multiple launch rocket launchers. On the Chinese side, the 24th infantry regiment of 5 thousand people was preparing for hostilities. March 14, 1969 the Chinese re-launched military operations against the Soviet border guards, two hours later, having spent ammunition, the Soviet border guards were nevertheless forced to withdraw from the island. It became clear that the forces introduced into the battle were not enough, and the Chinese significantly outnumbered the border guards. At 17:00 p.m. in a critical situation, in violation of the instructions of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU not to bring the Soviet troops into conflict, Colonel General O. A. Losik, on the orders of the commander of the troops of the Far Eastern Military District, opened fire from secret at that time multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) ) "Grad". The shells destroyed most of the material and technical resources of the Chinese group and the military, including reinforcements, mortars, and stacks of shells. At 17:10, motorized gunners of the 2nd motorized infantry battalion of the 199th motorized infantry regiment launched an attack, and border guards under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Smirnov and Lieutenant Colonel Konstantinov in order to completely crush the resistance of the Chinese troops. The Chinese began to withdraw from their positions. Around 19:00 several firing points “came to life”, after which three new attacks were made, but they were also repelled.
    The Soviet troops again went ashore, and the Chinese side no longer took large-scale hostile actions on this section of the state border.
    Direct control of the units of the Soviet Army that took part in this conflict was carried out by First Deputy Commander of the Far Eastern Military District Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant General P. M. Plotnikov
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 19 December 2013 10: 33
      0
      But for sure. Another year. Well, sprinkle ashes on my head. He percented without checking. Share it with me.
  47. rocketman
    rocketman 20 December 2013 20: 24
    -1
    "The consciousness of people is changing quite quickly. There are psycho- and information technologies for this. It is not even necessary to carry out massive repressions, it is enough to neutralize several thousand outright enemies (" the fifth column ") and expel hopeless ideological fools."

    It was precisely this mistake that was made under Stalin after the end of the Second World War. Do not finish. Now we have hemorrhoids. Need to finish. Ruthlessly.

    "The work on the formation of pro-Russian public opinion in Ukraine has also failed. It is necessary to work with our current and potential allies, but the situation is catastrophic in this area as well. We spent more time and effort on fruitless contacts with opponents of rapprochement between Russia and Ukraine like Klitschko."

    It is a fact. All normal people have been shouting about this for a long time, including on this resource. Nobody hears, or they answer - "figure it out yourself." That is, the old Slavic principle - it is easier to criticize than to work.

    "Svoboda Oleg Tyagnibok called the agreements signed in Moscow" shameful "and noted that Yanukovych was giving Ukrainians into the" slavery "of Russia and accused him of treason."

    Although everything is just the opposite. It is they who surrender us to Geyroupu.

    Quote: IOwTZ
    This Russian money was invested in Western securities and worked for the Russian economy (I want to believe). Now they have been pulled out of there and transferred to where it’s not that with interest that the debt body itself is unlikely to be returned

    That's right, in the "paper". This is Russia's tribute to the West. They did not work for the Russian economy. Tomorrow amer will come haplyk (possibly), and "securities" will be just paper. And so at least part of the Russian money will have to Ukraine. it's like diversification of energy resources.

    Quote: Fuzeler
    How can you be, in your hatred and stupidity, SUCH blind ?! But those who say that we are, they say, not for the EU, we are simply against V.F. I don’t understand Yanukovych either, because they are not doing bad things to their “against” their current government, but to their country, for those who are eager to be instead of Yanukovych are even worse. And everything will be, I'm sure, like after the Orange Revolution, remember, when the leaders quarreled less than a year later, and USYO CHEF ...

    I already wrote that the Maydan used to be servants, not masters in their own country. All they need is not the production of final goods, but the ability to travel freely to Europe to wash toilets.
  48. rocketman
    rocketman 20 December 2013 22: 05
    -1
    Quote: makarov
    In Ukraine, unfortunately, a different system of measurement, the winner is not the one for whom the VOTE was VOTED, but the one for whom the votes were "correctly" COUNTED. Don't be amused by hope.

    Quite right. In the last elections, 20% voted for Yanuca in Lviv. After that, calls began to the election commissions - "we know where you live and who your children are." the total for the Yanuku is 3%. And so it will always be in the west. How are they 100% in the elections, if they all work in Europe? draw your own conclusions.
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Ride with his wife for the weekend, "on the ball" with the regionals. What I want to say. What a high self-organization on Euromaidan of the quartermaster, commandant services and headquarters, a ready-made cabinet of ministers. On anti-Maidan, everything is organized by the authorities, Kazenshina shows through. When communicating with each other, opinions about the future path of Ukraine are different. They are united in only one thing, Drive this organized criminal group out of power. This is what unites east and west.

    Yeah, tell you g_o.v_no - you will still shout - it’s bad! And there is no such consensus, it’s not a fic here to answer for all.
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    That outside, all claims to the city council

    This is where even the sports cups were stolen from? Hehe!
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    I support only one maidan. Dump Yanukovych and organized crime groups from that region. And on the Maidan there are enough people of the same opinion. They do not support politicians.

    Once, almost a hundred years ago, Russia also threw off Nikolashka, who got everyone, thereby interrupting the legitimacy of power. To what all this led, everyone knows. That's exactly why you don’t have to touch the yanuk. He has so little left. But everything will be legitimate and legal. By the way, Poland also collapsed at one time, choosing a king on the Maidan. the story still needs to be read. Inters on this occasion to read Suvorov and Starikov. Everything is about the same thing, but how are the accents placed!

    Quote: Vasya
    We started with the armament of Poland. Nato will not attack the outskirts. And if he attacks, he will receive in return.
    .
    .
    .In addition, instead of 3% of American papers, they invested in 5% of the outskirts, with a pledge in the form of enterprises. I believe that it is profitable to exchange candy wrappers for real production.

    I do not agree with the first. Poland is developing offensive weapons. Against who? Against Ukraine and Belarus. Who will she receive the return from? From the killed Ukrainian army? where is the 5th column formed? Yes, they will be met by flowers in the west of Ukraine.
    And the second is correct. see above.
    Quote: Sax
    Well, unlike the sexually preoccupied Rosimperians, Ruslana really conquered and charmed very, very many.

    I’m not just worried, I hate this ragman. the impression is that she is always stoned. I stood on the air 1 + 1 - legs shoulder-width apart, never moved. I wonder why?
  49. CARasev
    CARasev 21 December 2013 02: 17
    -2
    I DO NOT DIFFERENCE, I LIVE IN ITS OWN COUNTRY, RUSSIA, EVERYONE WHO IS OUTSIDE - LET IT GO TO YOURSELF, SORRY ANYBODY, AND WHO ONE ME ???
    ALL GOOD INDEPENDENT, FORMER, ADDITIONS, MY HOMELAND - SO HERE, FROM THE KITCHEN TO YOURSELF, WHY THEY ARE NEEDED, ALL THEY DENIED IT IS A POTENTIAL OPPONENT
  50. rocketman
    rocketman 21 December 2013 07: 49
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    Quote: CARasev
    ALL GOOD INDEPENDENT, FORMER, ADDITIONS, MY HOMELAND - SO HERE, FROM THE KITCHEN TO YOURSELF, WHY THEY ARE NEEDED, ALL THEY DENIED IT IS A POTENTIAL OPPONENT

    Well, how do you live? especially the last 24 years after the RSFSR declared its state sovereignty?