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Battle for Ukraine. The onset of the "European Reich" and the scenario of a new European war

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The question of attitude to the European integration of the Russian population in the east and south of Ukraine is becoming increasingly important. There is practically no position of these people in the media, although their future is being decided, and they support the existence of Ukraine with their work. In some cities in the south-east of Ukraine, protests for the European integration of the country have already been organized, but few have supported them.


With Western Ukraine, everything is clear. Galicia (a depressed region where there is a high unemployment rate) is the main supplier of migrant workers. At the same time, Western Ukrainians, despite the traditionally low level of education and production qualifications, are distinguished by excessive self-esteem and a claim to a special socio-political status (in this they are similar to the Polish gentry). With the support of local criminal-comprador clans, European bureaucracy, American and European (mostly Polish) experts on “color revolutions”, Galicia has become the main springboard of the West in Ukraine and is trying to impose its will on the rest of the regions. At the same time, Galicia is a stronghold of Ukrainian neo-Nazism, its symbol is the SS division “Galicia”. Therefore, the activists of the Kiev "euromaidan" of the Galician neo-Nazis - this is a frank "fifth column", the enemies of the people.

There is practically no hope for natives of Central Ukraine. They are distinguished by extraordinary immaturity, faith in a fairy tale, in the arrival of a European Santa Claus, who will solve all their problems. Adult "children" managed to inspire that all their problems were born by evil "Moskals" and Stalin, who organized terror and famine. Entry into the European Union is a belief in a beautiful life, in a fairy tale. EU membership is both an increase in salaries and a solution to the problem of health care, education, housing, security, protection from corruption, crime, etc.

The only hope is for the residents of south-eastern Ukraine.

I must say that the situation that we are now seeing in Ukraine is another consequence of the 1991 geopolitical catastrophe of the year. Then the superethnos of the Rus (Great Russians, Malorussians, Ukrainians and Belorussians) allowed to destroy their huge empire. It is foolish to think that the enemy calmed down on this. All ethnic groups and territory is a resource. Either you use it, or your opponent uses it. In the West and in the East (the Islamic project) they believe that it is time to move on to the next stage of solving the “Russian question” - the stage of further crushing, and then absorbing Russian civilization. Ukraine is just at the threshold of the next crushing (as is Russia). The split along the Dnieper ripened. And in the Crimea, anxious. In particular, the deputy from the Svoboda party, Yuriy Syrotyuk, said that if Kiev does not strangle the “euromaidan” and does not agree with Moscow, the Crimea can go on to organize a referendum on state independence.

It is clear that in this situation the question arises what to do to those Russians who more or less understand the danger of Western Russia being absorbed by Little Russia, but do not know what to do. Indeed, without doing anything, you can find yourself in the situation of the Serbs, who first surrendered large Yugoslavia, then the Serbian regions in Bosnia and Herzegovina, the small Yugoslavia - the union of Serbia and Montenegro, the “heart of Serbia” - Kosovo. Now the turn of the independence of Vojvodina and Sandzak (Raska district). Moreover, despite the strong westernization and support for Russophobic sentiment, many managed to maintain the relative integrity of consciousness, understanding of the historical, cultural, civilizational community of Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

Relationship to European integration in the south-east of Ukraine is sharply negative. People here are smarter, the remnants of the Soviet education system and the Soviet industry allow you to maintain the breadth of outlook and a higher level of employment compared to the west of Ukraine. People understand that European integration will finish off the remaining industrial centers. You can recall the fate of the industry and the social and cultural sphere of the Baltic republics or Bulgaria. Russian Little Russians do not want to be homeless migrant workers in Western European countries. Ukraine still has real wealth that will help it to be a highly developed part of “Great Russia” (“Russian Union”). These are enterprises of the aerospace industry, shipbuilding, engine-building and the military-industrial complex. They have greatly degraded compared with the Soviet period, but under the condition of serious capital investments and modernization (for example, with their participation in the State Arms Program of the Russian Federation before 2020), they can be restored. In addition, Ukraine has four nuclear power plants, including Zaporizhzhya - the largest in Europe, which allows you to export energy. Metallurgy, chemical industry, production of building materials, mining and agriculture! All this will be destroyed, because it does not need the West. Eastern Europe for the old Western countries is a supplier of cheap labor and a sales market for goods, they do not need competitors.

In addition, the West needs the resources of Ukraine. The region has a unique mineral resource base. Geologists have identified about 20 thousand deposits and 117 manifestations of minerals. In Ukraine, there are deposits of iron, manganese, chromium, nickel, titanium, magnesium, aluminum, copper, zinc, lead, coal, peat, shale and uranium. Also found in the bowels of the republic: gold, silver, mercury, beryllium, lithium, zirconium, hafnium, tantalum, niobium, cobalt, tin, molybdenum, tungsten, vanadium, yttrium and lanthanides, as well as scattered elements of germanium, scandium. Identified oil and gas fields. There were even rumors about finding diamonds, but this question requires additional study. Another republic is rich in reserves of various mineral waters with medicinal properties. We must not forget about such important resources as the land on which you can grow rich crops, and water. In the 21st century, they take priority. In Africa and Asia, vast regions lack these resources.

Naturally, the West needs these resources, land and water, they need a certain number of slaves and consumers (the rest must clear the “living space”). In addition, in the West they know that the reunification of Ukraine and Russia is the main step towards the restoration of the empire, the “Russian project”. Therefore, the European Union and the United States gripped Ukraine in a tight grip. Indeed, without Ukraine it is impossible to build a full-fledged "Great Russia".

For more than two decades we have been living in a state of an artificially divided nation. Ukraine is the Russian land occupied by the comprador bourgeoisie and the occupational administration, Russia. Yanukovych was literally a step to the recognition of the fact that he is a Ukrainian Gauleiter in the service of the "Western Reich". His predecessor, Yushchenko, was the outspoken enemy of Russia. The revival of the "Russian Empire" is possible only after the reunification of the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

"Landing forces" from the already fully occupied lands of the former USSR and the social bloc (Georgia, Poland), from the European Union and the USA follow one after another. The impudence of Western structures is so obvious that it reaches tragicomic limits. Washington dictates to Kiev how to deal with the “swamps” (in ancient times, the place where the rebels gathered was called the “Goat Swamp”, it was called Maidan only in 1991). US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel in a telephone conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart Pavel Lebedev warns Kiev against the dispersal of the "Euromaidan". Criminals seizing government agencies destroying historical monuments do not allow to punish by law. Obviously, if in Ukraine events will develop according to the “Syrian scenario”, and such an opportunity already exists, the West will support liberal, neo-Nazi, Islamist and separatist (Crimean Tatars, Romanians and Hungarians) gangs. Financing of revolutionary forces on the part of the oligarchy and the West is obvious to almost everyone.

Representatives of the West behave as if in Odessa, Sevastopol and Kiev, NATO forces are already standing. In essence, the European Union is playing the part of the “Fourth Reich”, which is building a “united Europe”. "The pressure on the East" continues. Russia cannot be allowed to combine the wreckage of a single whole. It is not for nothing that the German chancellor Otto von Bismarck is credited with the phrase: “Russia's power can be undermined only by Ukraine’s separation from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off Ukraine, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, slay two parts of a single nation and watch how a brother will kill a brother. To do this, you only need to find and cultivate traitors among the national elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of a great nation to such an extent that it will hate everything Russian, hate its kind without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ” Later his thought was repeated by Zbigniew Brzezinski: “Russia without Ukraine ceases to be a Eurasian empire”. The worst enemy of Russia, Lev Trotsky, also knew about this: “Russia cannot exist without Ukraine”.

There is a real battle for Ukraine. The question of the future of all Russian civilization is being resolved. Together, Russia, Ukraine, Transnistria, Belarus and Kazakhstan will be self-sufficient, will be able to become a player of global importance. Therefore, the main problem is who will raise the issue of the illegitimacy of the collapse of the USSR and take a course towards the reunification of Russian lands. All current political fuss does not matter in comparison with the problem of reuniting the divided superethnos of the Rus, the Russian lands (Rus), the rejection of the treacherous Belovezhsky treaty, the borders of the 1991 of the year. A politician of a global level of significance, which has gone down in history as the new unifier of Russia, will be the person who will solve this problem. You can not give the initiative to the West and its "fifth column", "rats" in the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Sitting on the stove, we deprive the future of our civilization and all its peoples.

Thus, on the one hand, we observe events of global significance. This is a battle of civilizations, a battle for the future of Russia. Having lost it, we will allow the enemy to further crush Russian space, absorb its debris. On the other hand, as mentioned above, it is a question of resources. The economic and social model of the West is inherently parasitic. The West is a ghoul civilization. He constantly needs new victims, territories, resources and slaves to exist. The system is extensive. She constantly needs nourishment. Western "vampires" killed and drank the blood (resources) of dozens of peoples and nationalities of America, Africa, Asia, Australia and Oceania. Tens of millions of people became their victims. This is not an exaggeration. Only during the Second World War, which was unleashed by the masters of the West, about 50 million people were killed.

The West was able to crush the Russian empire, it sucked the resources of tens of billions of gold rubles from it. In 1991, the Western world was able to win another victory over Russia. It was a great robbery, which (on a slightly smaller scale than in the 1990-th - the beginning of the 2000-s) continues to this day. Russian President Vladimir Putin acknowledged this in his last message. In 2011 alone, 191 billion was illegally withdrawn from the country. That's more than what was stolen from China - 151 billion dollars, and India - about 85 billion dollars. And if in China the outflow is about 1,5% of GDP, then in the Russian Federation almost 9,5%. In the whole world, this level reaches about 4% of GDP. We are even below the level of Black Africa south of the Sahara, where it averages 5,7% of GDP. And for the period 2002-2011. 881 billion dollars flowed out of Russia (this is about the question of where to get money for the new industrialization of Russia and a larger rearmament of the army, the exploration of near space). For this period, we are second only to China: the Chinese have lost 1 trillion. dollars. However, the Chinese economy is the second in the world, that is, in percentage terms its loss is lower.

Robbery of Russia, the current means and resources of the West is not enough. The parasitic nature of Western civilization has caused a global systemic crisis. Out of it, the masters of the West know only one thing - murder, robbery and dismemberment. The West needs a big war and our territories, resources - naturally, without “extra biomass”. At the present stage (in the medium term), Ukraine should become a donor of the Old World. The EU needs expansion to the east to solve its problems. Ukraine is a large market for goods, its population is about 50 million. For comparison, in Italy - about 60 million people, in France - 63 million people. That is, according to their labor resources and the possibility of consumption, Ukraine is comparable to them. In addition, Ukrainian labor is cheaper, and quite skilled. Another advantage is that the Ukrainians are representatives of the white race, which will help to contain the racial and cultural erosion of Western Europe. And the “optimization” of the Ukrainian industry will be a good source of income. In the future, can be useful and Ukrainian bowels. Ukraine can become a waste dump. Western companies (Shell, Chevron, Exxon Mobil) have already obtained the right to produce shale gas, which, according to some experts, will lead to an ecological disaster in a number of regions of Ukraine.

What to do? On the position of Russia

First you need to clearly understand that you have to pay for everything. It's time to pay for 1991 a year. Everyone knows that any running problem has two stages. In the first, you can still turn the tide, break the wrong, return a relatively normal state of affairs. In the second situation can not be reversed. Apparently, in Ukraine the second case.

Run to Russia? On the one hand, the Russians should live in Russia, so it was necessary to move for a long time. On the other hand, Small Russia is a part of Big Russia, Russian civilization. Kiev is one of our ancient capitals. Today you will run away from Ukraine, tomorrow the enemy will squeeze us out of Stavropol, Pskov, Karelia, Kazan region, the Far East and Siberia. You can not run, it is a defeat, an outcome.

Get involved in a fight with zapadentsami? Here, too, is a vicious circle. On the one hand, this “Kahal” has already gotten it. We retreat and retreat. We lose one battle after another. Maybe it's time to rest? The world is on the verge of cardinal changes, it's time to collect stones, strengthen the ranks, clean them from enemies, mobilize spiritual and physical forces. The enemy must be put in place. On the other hand, there is a trap again. If the south-east of Ukraine seriously clashes with Galicia, the Western world will win again. Russian, Slavs will fight with each other again. Zapadentsev-is also part of the Russian world, the Ruses, who were inspired that they are "a special people." This is a gift to Washington and London: the Russians will kill the Russians, who have forgotten that they are Russians! .. We know that the Russians are at war, and in history they have repeatedly fought each other, and with particular bitterness. This is a scary script. You can read about it in the book of Gleb Bobrov "The Epoch of the Stillborn" or carefully study the chronicle of the war in Syria. Unfortunately, this scenario is quite real. Little Russia has long been a place of refraction of civilizations, opposition to the East and the West. Suffice it to recall how Ukrainian hetmans rushed between the West (Poland, Sweden), Turkey and Russia. Now Yanukovych completely repeated these throwings.

Thus, if opponents of European integration arrange a butch in the style of “Ukrainian bogs”, they will only play up the enemy. Civil confrontation in Ukraine promises to be very cruel and bloody. In general, such a scenario will suit a large part of the big oligarchic capital, the political “elite” merged with the big bourgeoisie. We must not forget that almost all of these people - with a criminal past or present. For two decades they have stripped the country as sticky, and in principle are ready to surrender the country to the West for legalization in Europe and preserving a significant part of the loot. In Russia, most likely, they will not be legalized, we ourselves are going to have a “sweep” - the first signs in the North Caucasus have already gone. Thus, the “energy king” of the Caucasus, Magomet Kaitov, the general director of the Caucasus energy management company, formerly part of RAO UES, was arrested. Mayor of Makhachkala Said Amirov was arrested earlier. It is believed that the federal center, following Dagestan, launched an active campaign against ethnic mafia clans in Karachay-Cherkessia. Under the conditions of the world and Russian crisis, when the sources of income melt, the purging of the “elite” is a common phenomenon. Therefore, the Ukrainian semi-criminal beau monde will not be supported in Russia.

The Ukrainian "elite" is ready to "go the distance", this will allow you to save capital (the owners of the West can select them a little later) and carry out the operation "The ends in the water." In the troubled Ukraine, there will be no time for investigations, confiscation of property and bills.

Under these conditions, the population of the south-east of Ukraine needs “elders”, a real elite, ready to defend the interests of the Russians, the idea of ​​restoring “Great Russia”. This elite must be created almost from scratch. The Party of Regions used the pro-Russian aspirations of Eastern Ukraine, won. But in reality, this is a party of big capital, the comprador bourgeoisie, ready to surrender the country. Moreover, in recent years, the authorities have destroyed Russian and pro-Russian organizational (trade union, social, ethnocultural) structures. Everything was literally done so that the people were not ready to repel external and internal aggression. As a result, there was simply no one to express the opinion of the majority of the people. But this is a temporary phenomenon. With further development of the situation, the emergence of these people's leaders is inevitable. Already, there are people who understand the essence of events.

But they will be able to win only when they oppose the concept of "European integration" with their concept, rising above the enemy "master plan." A truly great politician and powerful political force in Ukraine will be the only one who declares the unification of Russia into a single state as his course. Who will talk about the restoration of a single nation, to pursue politics from the standpoint of the interests of the people, the Russian civilization. Anyone who will be ready to resist the will of the current criminal separatist "elites".

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  1. seller trucks
    seller trucks 17 December 2013 08: 08 New
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    But they will be able to win only when they oppose the concept of "European integration" with their own concept, having risen above the enemy "general plan"


    why did you decide that the "west" has a plan, it should be noted that they were not ready for a similar situation in Ukraine, this is more likely not a plan, but chaotic vyser. no, this does not mean at all that the plan "B" did not exist, it definitely was, but somehow they obviously screwed up with the eastern mentality, which I am personally extremely happy about.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 17 December 2013 08: 18 New
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      Yes, what is happening in Ukraine is a template for the orange revolutions.
      The tops cannot.
      Bottoms do not want.
      But the way to change power — bloodless — is the color revolution.
      And informational influence from the outside is a color revolution.
      And the support of the power that displaces power, the belief in its democracy, truthfulness, nationality — in fact, legitimacy — this is a color revolution.
      Another thing is that Europe didn’t want this — it’s possible, for it would be dangerous to open the border for people whose state has collapsed (and it will fall apart if a regime change occurs).
      The question is how much Europe wants such a Ukraine.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 17 December 2013 10: 23 New
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        In general, for the Race of People, Ukraine is "STALINGRAD".
        Lose here and the collapse for the whole civilization is a foregone conclusion, so GREAT BATTLES are waiting for us, even if it seems that People have lost, the fight will be waged anyway ....
        Here you can’t lose ....
        I am reluctant to enter into a showdown on the "Outskirts" of the Rus civilization, because while preparations are underway, desires, intentions, the delivery of "Westerners" (UPA)) Yanukovych promises everyone EVERYTHING (but will not do anything)) political "corpse" thereby reducing the number of supporters of the ASSOCIATION))) paradoxically, but it is so ...
        People get tired, they talked about the so-called "revolution" (even on the VO website)))) look how many people speak out under an article with this topic (I read, yawn, laugh))))
        The topic is serious, but the attitude towards it is NOT VERY)))
        Try not to give verbal "food" to the Maidan and what is behind it ... You will do much more for the reunification of the Russian People than when you chat on the site ....
        Words, thoughts are ENERGIES that feed McCain, Klitschko, Tyanibok, Sobcha-chku)))) and ultimately the EU .....
        And the EU really needs "YOUR support" ... and Ukraine is like fresh blood for the decrepit "old woman" of European integration, incapable of resistance))))
        And resistance is not chattering, These are actions ....
        Write a statement to the prosecutor(to residents of Kiev)) about the violation of the rights to freedom of movement along Khreshchatyk (they say you are unhappy with the blocking of this important highway of the city, a bunch of marginals ... (with the requirement to check their registration)))
        It will be much more effective ....
        1. Defender
          Defender 17 December 2013 11: 17 New
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          Asgard, thanks! When I see: the dominance of transnational corporations, the advance of the West to the East, the news of the new orange revolution, how the oligarchy is doing lawlessness in our country, how Cain is killing Abel again, I am always tormented by one question. WHAT TO DO specifically to me, an ordinary citizen, to us, ordinary ordinary people ??? "Tryndet" on the forums? Take a pitchfork? Going out with transporters? But this is clearly not an option. Of course, I try to do my job in my place, honestly. But in response to the next call of anger, what to do? Maybe someone will give you a recipe !? However, I can’t find anything better than to cry out to God: LORD FORGET US!
          1. GDP
            GDP 17 December 2013 12: 42 New
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            WHAT TO DO specifically to me, an ordinary citizen, us, ordinary ordinary people ??? "Tryndet" on the forums?

            Tryndet on the forums, it also means something, although it's better not to do it on Russian sites, but on Ukrainian ones. And this should be done not like some: (they say you are all screwed up and crawl to our knees), but with respect for the truly fraternal people, which make up a single part of Great Russia along with Russia and Belarus.
            Pouring mud at each other, for the cause or not, it makes no difference - we help our enemies ....
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 17 December 2013 14: 57 New
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              Quote: GDP
              although it’s better not to do it on Russian sites, but on Ukrainian ones. And this should be done not like some: (they say you are all screwed up and crawl to our knees), but with respect to truly fraternal people


              Like this
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          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 17 December 2013 15: 04 New
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            Quote: Defender
            offensive west to east


            Here's who to learn from:

            China will not allow Western media to shape public opinion in the country, especially if journalists use "little verified information of an odious nature." Such a statement was posted on December 17 on the pages of one of the central government newspapers of the PRC, Huangqiu Shibao.
            1. Val_y
              Val_y 17 December 2013 15: 48 New
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              So the fact of the matter is that in Ukraine there is NO state television, only private channels, 1 + 1, the intertc "Ukraine", etc., which are straining, "they say the poor maydauns ot .... and" and neither One channel was not shown how the nicknamed boxers agreed with the golden eagles, "let's say, let's knock, neatly at the camera, keep a report", and then showed the Maydauns how to push. Ugh, an abomination, I respected them (boxers), and now ...., they are marginalized, booksellers and renegades of their people.
            2. Rusich51
              Rusich51 17 December 2013 22: 02 New
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              Quote: Cherdak
              China will not allow Western media to shape public opinion in the country, especially if journalists use "little verified information of an odious nature." Such a statement was posted on December 17 on the pages of one of the central government newspapers of the PRC, Huangqiu Shibao.


              China does not look at the opinions of the West and gringos, and is quietly developing and gaining strength. Here is the east before everyone's eyes, an example of wisdom.
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 17 December 2013 22: 14 New
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                They are already like 5000 years an example of wisdom! This is where the country's long-term development strategy smile
            3. lapo32
              lapo32 23 December 2013 20: 42 New
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              In China, after the events in Tien An Myn Square, the Wise politician Deng Xiao Ping came up with a two-door policy, Black is politics, death awaits you there, and white economy do whatever you want, we’ve been transformed, whatever color the cat is, just to caught mice
          3. Rusich51
            Rusich51 17 December 2013 21: 58 New
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            Quote: Defender
            Tryndet "on the forums? Take a pitchfork? Go out with transporters? But this is clearly not an option. I, of course, try to do my own thing in my place, honestly."

            It is necessary to unite, and together convey their opinion to the authorities.
            1. AVV
              AVV 22 December 2013 15: 40 New
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              We must not allow various freaks from America, the European Union such as McCain and others on the Maidan to carry their vile word, the desire to split Ukraine as a single state !!! If these crooks destabilize the situation so much, then there will be nothing good !!! Try it in Washington either blather at the white house, they will shoot you on the spot !!! And here they feel at home !!! Do not respect yourself so much and let the statehood boat swing !!!
          4. duke
            duke 18 December 2013 09: 22 New
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            yelling to God is not the worst and stupid option, so they remembered the Lord ... and without His support and help, it is foolish to hope that something will work out, since it is clear who is behind these Western infernal structures ... not a war of ideologies. There is a war on the spiritual level, the "eternal revolutionary" is again breaking into our house ... He does not need people-personalities, but a gray mass, consumers, biorobots with "universal" values, and so on. gibberish, which no one can explain ... for example, gay pride parades have become such a "value". Look at people like Brzezinski, McCain, and now Klitschko is people, as they are called, with "plastic" faces - the result of getting mad ... We think that we communicate with people, but these are not quite people ... that do not make a mistake yourself and trust in God ... good Everything that serves the unity of brothers is good and good ... whoever says I love Europ, but I hate my brother is a liar, like his infernal "horned daddy" ...
            1. Petrol
              Petrol 18 December 2013 13: 55 New
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              yell to God - heh heh what .... no priest will show you the MEASURE of the ancient Egyptian priests that God is a people and to be precise his priestly class ... I think the god of the desert (among the other Egyptians he has a head of a scarab) all of us . listen carefully ...
          5. lapo32
            lapo32 23 December 2013 19: 06 New
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            Your computer from which you write is warm, light, bananas in stores ... This is the result of the work of TNCs and what they didn’t please sit at a splinter, looking at a hole in a cardboard box ...
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        3. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 17 December 2013 13: 24 New
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          Quote: Asgard
          .You will do much more for the reunification of the Russian People than when you trep on the site


          the strongest resentment that is not forgiven, resentment between brothers or brother and sister !!!!!

          When dividing an inheritance, for example! 100 years from the mouth of the mother - "not a little Ukraine feeds the whole of Russia, etc. And here independence and it turns out" does not feed "Who is to blame?
          Somewhere here the dog is buried.

          Yes, and addiction ...
        4. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 17 December 2013 14: 09 New
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          Quote: Asgard
          In general, for the Race of People, Ukraine is "STALINGRAD".
          Lose here and the collapse for the whole civilization is a foregone conclusion, so GREAT BATTLES are waiting for us, even if it seems that People have lost, the fight will be waged anyway ....Here you can’t lose ....


          For a race of people, Ukraine is a hole from zero. For the Russian race, this is a serious part of the ethnic group. "Stalingrad" is an uncompromising hack as I can tell ?? But no, here just a compromise would be appropriate. I think that the zapadentsev with the boxer should be given back to Europe, and the eastern region with the Crimea should be returned back under the wing.

          Purely my opinion that a large amount of muscle mass had a very negative effect on some mental and moral qualities ... It turns out that you can be both a Judas and a champion at the same time.
        5. Cherdak
          Cherdak 17 December 2013 20: 13 New
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          Quote: Asgard
          Here you can’t lose ....


          Putin: gas price for Ukraine will be reduced to $ 268,5

          At a meeting with his Ukrainian counterpart Viktor Yanukovych in Moscow on December 17, he recalled that according to official figures, only 1,5 million Ukrainian citizens work in Russia, and up to 5 million according to unofficial data. “This is a large number of people who need to create favorable conditions so that they can live here freely, work, move across the border and help their families”
        6. saber1357
          saber1357 18 December 2013 01: 35 New
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          Friends, do not want a more balanced analytics to look at http://russia.ru/zhestocky.realist there about Nenko more specifically written. Namely, there is a fear of what could happen worse than what could actually happen ...
        7. lapo32
          lapo32 23 December 2013 18: 28 New
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          And why, what do ordinary Ukrainians want, someone asked or said, they do not want the EU or even Russia, they want to live a normal life, work to receive a salary, raise and feed children, be calm about their future, and they are being given the enemy because of whom you do not live well, and if you leave, write an SMS ... as well as Russia, in short, the "golden billion" program is in full swing
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 17 December 2013 13: 51 New
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        Quote: mirag2
        Yes, what is happening in Ukraine is a template for the orange revolutions.
        .
        The question is how much Europe wants such a Ukraine.


        Rather, the opposite. Everything that happens in Ukraine is done according to the pattern of all the orange revolutions.

        At the expense of how much they are needed - so much so that they are ready to risk their heads.

        It is not clear where our dolby.anye leaders are looking. The principle is, after all, simple opposition must be of the same order of power as the impact. Since paid zapadenskie lackeys are tearing their country, why aren’t they the same paid lackeys on our part who will tear away zapadenskie ???
      3. Python Kaa
        Python Kaa 18 December 2013 09: 43 New
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        Strictly speaking, the "revolution" is more global. Here we are talking, rather, about a coup.
        1. lapo32
          lapo32 23 December 2013 18: 45 New
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          A coup is a violent change in power. (Good, bad, not important) in an unconstitutional way
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 December 2013 08: 57 New
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      Quote: seller trucks
      why did you decide that the "west" has a plan,


      And why did you decide not? They always had plans. Daddes plan for example
      And we will throw everything that we have: all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people! The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them to believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself. Episode by episode will be played out with a grandiose scale tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final and irreversible fading of their self-consciousness. We will dig up spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of popular morality. We will shatter thus, generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood and youth, and we will always make the main bet ON YOUTH - we will decompose, corrupt and corrupt it. We will make cynics, vulgarities and cosmopolitans of it. This is how we do it! A. Dulles.
      Reflections on the Implementation of the American Post-War Doctrine against the USSR, 1945 '

      Here, of course, there are those who say that there was no such plan. I am referring them to the "NSC Directive NSC 20/1"
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 17 December 2013 09: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        And why did you decide not? They always had plans. Daddes plan for example


        stop, Vadim, we’re not talking a lot about different things, you’re getting a little bit more likely, not global plans, but global doctrines. The EU believed that the signing of the association was resolved; in fact, it turned out differently.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 09: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: seller trucks
          , in fact, it turned out differently.

          Even so, the essence has not changed.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 17 December 2013 09: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Even so, the essence has not changed.


            I am unequivocally sure of one thing, there will be no return to that "old" Ukraine, I am not Vanga, I cannot predict how things will go on
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 17 December 2013 09: 41 New
          +6
          Quote: seller trucks
          .you are gaining ground, rather than plans, but global doctrines. The EU believed that the signing of the association was resolved; in fact, it turned out differently.


          Vitaly good morning, I agree with you that, as you pointed out the doctrine, it’s a long-term business, but I think that joining the association is just part of a plan
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 17 December 2013 09: 22 New
        +8
        The Dulles plan is not a concrete plan adopted by the congress, it is just a collection of recommendations from the Yusov analysts to the then government, but this does not negate their inhumanity and let them all burn in hell.
      3. 225chay
        225chay 17 December 2013 10: 07 New
        10
        Quote: Vadivak
        we will throw everything that we have: all gold, all material power to fool and fool people! The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them to believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself. Episode by episode will be played out with a grandiose scale tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final and irreversible fading of their self-consciousness. We will dig up spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of popular morality. We will shatter thus, generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood and youth, and we will always make the main bet ON YOUTH - we will decompose, corrupt and corrupt it. We will make cynics, vulgarities and cosmopolitans of it. This is how we do it! A. Dulles.

        The West will never calm down itself!
        These will continue to work to destroy our country.
        and they will help them (if they don’t urgently chop off their hands and feet)
        swamps, all kinds of NGOs, Foundations, Institutes and Centers and the remaining Yeltsin-Gaidar team of reformers-perestroika reformers, recruited bastards
        1. alekspak
          alekspak 13 January 2014 10: 22 New
          0
          225chay
          Thank you for your comment, I completely agree with you.
          In this regard, all of us, ordinary Russians, should clearly understand that if we all stand up for our President Vladimir Putin, then all this Western evil will perish itself.
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      4. domokl
        domokl 17 December 2013 11: 21 New
        11
        Quote: Vadivak
        Here, of course, there are those who say that there was no such plan. I am referring them to the "NSC Directive NSC 20/1"

        It’s stupid to argue about the existence of this plan. Secrecy has long been removed and finding the full text is not so difficult. But the article was struck by something else, for which I put a bold minus, the author does not want to defend his own views. He demands, having beautifully substantiated his demands by the all-Russian lands, roots and something else, so that we decide for him ... Russia, in order not to stop being Russia, must, ...... otherwise Russia should not be.
        For a quarter century, Russia was without Ukraine. A generation of Ukrainians with Russian roots has grown. Not Russians, but as Russian-speaking people say now. And no one can convince them now that Ukraine needs to become a region of Russia. They grew up in an independent country and will always against.
        If the population of the eastern regions continues to passively look at how they are tearing their Motherland, then they will lose it. And that will be right. That means they don’t need it.
        The West is not afraid to freeze on barricades, to get bludgeoning over silly heads and they can hear it in the world. And the east has taken the position of a slave ... let it be as it will ... Our business is to make Ukraine feel good.
        Once, when I was a child, my mother taught me, you don’t have to fight, but talk .. And then the hooligans will be left behind ... They’re terrible, they can fill the face. This continued until the moment they finally got it ... We learned it instantly .. The truth is simple - any bully is so much a bully as much as you are afraid of him. And after receiving a well-developed and delivered blow, he becomes very tolerant, wants to negotiate and find a compromise
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 17 December 2013 13: 37 New
          -1
          East does not advocate actively know why? Because only in Russia they see that there are millions who are ready to exchange their lives in their independent country for the dubious happiness of being one of the regions of the Russian Federation, send children to the Caucasus and watch how horsemen shooting in the air rush through their cities.
          Why is it seen in Russia? Yes, because the Russians are being duped by their native TV to the point of being complete idiots. The Russians are shown a picture where individual about Russian organizations, funded either by Russia itself or by oligarchs associated with Russia, will gather about 50 + a dozen fanatical grandmothers waving Russian and Soviet flags, but the announcer's text says that at least the entire East and South support the Russian choice. In fact, the advantage of "returning to the USSR" is supported only by the group over 60. And among young people, 5 to 1 for moving to Europe and one should not deceive oneself, which means only the western regions. Moreover, every year the ratio of supporters and opponents of the EU / Russia shifts in favor of the EU.
        2. vadson
          vadson 17 December 2013 14: 06 New
          +4
          Are there any specific suggestions on how to give a bully a nipple?
          in principle, while writing, I came up with one thing - you need another mega global sensation from a snowden or asange to drive another wedge between Western partners. if they don’t rake a mess at home, so that they wouldn’t be to Ukraine. Well, all this riffraff from Maidan like Klitschko’s tugnybok and Yatsenyuk dunk with his head in need. like our videos were uploaded with a Georgian thief. so that at least some eyes open
          1. olviko
            olviko 17 December 2013 15: 45 New
            +3
            "there are some specific proposals"

            Proposals are slowly coming in. For example, the US State Department has expressed concern about the deployment of Iskander missile systems in the Kaliningrad Region. For the first time, information about the redeployment of Iskanders appeared in the German media. Putin placed the Iskanders very close to the borders of Europe in time, the European deputies immediately ran in because the ass of the wolf sensed. In such circumstances, the choice of Ukraine or its own ass, is made in favor of the latter.
        3. Val_y
          Val_y 17 December 2013 15: 58 New
          +3
          A moment, dear, you are saying to yourself, but you yourself, as your soyland, have defended your homeland, and where? Someone decided for you, agreed with someone, killed someone, and you have a MOTHERLAND, with the NORMAL RULE STATE, and you are now reasoning like a keyboard strategist. YOU KNOW THAT IN ODESSA THE NEXT DAY Euromaidan was dispersed, ALSO AS IN NIKOLAEV, KHERSON, SEVASTOPOL, DONETSK, LUGANSK, and (now 20-30 people gather, and then in the daytime.
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 17 December 2013 09: 20 New
      +3
      Yes, they have no plan, but there is a desire to tear Ukraine to pieces and weaken the Russian Federation. Look at Mackain already drooling.
      1. sasska
        sasska 17 December 2013 14: 19 New
        0
        Outwardly, events develop as if by themselves and are chaotic in nature, but all the same, ultimately heterogeneous, turbulent processes come to a final, predetermined point, to a predetermined ending, despite the seemingly chaotic course of these processes.

        Thus, the chaos introduced from the outside leads to the desired result.
        Valery Korovin
    4. A.YARY
      A.YARY 17 December 2013 09: 59 New
      +4
      Representatives of the West behave as if NATO troops are already stationed in Odessa, Sevastopol and Kiev.


      They will enter this cesspool and then it will be so.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 17 December 2013 10: 17 New
        +7
        But what is interesting on our dearly beloved schizophrenic, Makeyushka, was attacked by American Jews for meeting with Tyagnibok laughing
        Republican senator John McCain during his visit to Kiev closely communicated with the leader of the nationalist party Svoboda, one of the leaders of the Ukrainian opposition, Oleg Tyagnibok. They even stood on the same stage, speaking on Independence before the supporters of European integration.

        This fact caused outrage in Jewish organizations in the USA and Israel.

        - McCain made a miscalculation. He clearly had no idea who he was on the same stage. If he knew what constitutes a Thing, then this is much more serious. This shows how indiscriminate American politicians are, ”Ephraim Zuroff, head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center for Jerusalem’s office, told Izvestia.

        According to Zuroff, the list of the ten most sinister anti-Semites of the world for 2012 year, compiled by the Wiesenthal Center, headquartered in Los Angeles, according to Zuroff. He was transferred to the US State Department with a recommendation to make them among the persons whose presence in the States is undesirable.

        According to the document at the disposal of Izvestiya, Tyagnibok and Miroshnichenko are on the fifth place in the list - after the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, the Iranian regime, Brazilian cartoonist Carlos Latuff and the football fans of the anti-Semites of the British club Tottenham.

        The burden is included in this list for appeals to repressions against Jews and other minorities living in Ukraine, and for his demand to liberate the country from the "Jewish Jewish Mafia." And Miroshnichenko is for insulting American actress of Ukrainian origin, Mila Kunis, whom he called “a Jew.”

        In addition, in May 2010, Oleg Tyagnibok received the “Golden Cross” in Canada from the hands of the veterans of the SS division “Galicia”. Former SS men, who prefer to call themselves “veterans of the First Ukrainian Division of the Ukrainian National Army,” presented him with an award “for services to Ukraine”.

        Read further: http://izvestia.ru/news/562661#ixzz2ni6NzxHT
        1. GDP
          GDP 17 December 2013 13: 31 New
          +5
          For the first time, McCain did not say hello to the fascists or take pictures with terrorists ...
          Another thing is alarming - that this man ala Zhirinovsky, dabbled in the post of US president and almost half of the population supported him ...
          1. alex-s
            alex-s 17 December 2013 16: 24 New
            +1
            Or maybe it's time for Zhirinovsky’s presidency! (Joke) lol
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 17 December 2013 16: 33 New
              +2
              Only Ukraine laughing
      2. domokl
        domokl 17 December 2013 11: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: A.YARY
        They will enter this cesspool and then it will be so.

        Andrey, and now what? Yanukovych continues the path to the abyss ... EU says, Guys, in March we will sign ... Russia-peace, friendship, corn and ... give benefits as they were ...
        Only now is the time when not only the West counts money, but Russia too. And at such moments nothing personal ... Just business
        1. olviko
          olviko 17 December 2013 16: 00 New
          0
          ". And at such moments, nothing personal ... Just business."

          Well, that's right, Ukraine doesn’t matter if she takes money in Russia or Europe, she’s not going to give money. After receiving money from someone, Ukraine will shy in the opposite direction, to another possible creditor. Ukraine will pay its debts only in one case, if give her the opportunity to earn and pay. For the EU, this is not possible, Ukrainian goods will not get to the European markets, but for Russia it is. Russia can solve this issue within the framework of the CU, which Ukraine has long been told about.
    5. genzik161
      genzik161 17 December 2013 21: 33 New
      +3
      In any war, underestimation of the enemy will lead to defeat, more than sure that the Euroguards have figured out such a scenario, but they also know that the Russians are unpredictable people. The whole of Europe understands what the reunification of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE will lead to. Europe days will be numbered.
    6. Old scoop
      Old scoop 19 December 2013 14: 15 New
      0
      In essence, the plan is as follows: the collapse of the country's economy, the impoverishment of the population, the creation and fanning of existing domestic problems. The result is economic slavery. This is short and fairly simplistic.
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 17 December 2013 08: 09 New
    23
    Ukraine is a sovereign state and there are deputies of the European Parliament and US senators on the Maidan and they say that Russia is pressing on Ukraine am
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 17 December 2013 08: 39 New
      +4
      Of course, since it was agreed on the association under such conditions, they feel at home. Already noted, our swamp gardens went to the embassy of the United States, because with us, GDP understands that we are a sovereign state (well, or want to be like that).
    2. Turkestan
      Turkestan 17 December 2013 12: 31 New
      +9
      Quote: Igor39
      Ukraine is a sovereign state and there are deputies of the European Parliament and US senators on the Maidan and they say that Russia is pressing on Ukraine am



      And why Russia does not agree with this statement?

      - YES THIS IS A SPHERE OF OUR POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC INTERESTS.

      -There are many citizens of Russian nationality and we are responsible for
      THEM

      -WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TENSION NEAR OUR BOUNDARIES.
      In my opinion, these legitimate desires are the requirements of the Russian state
      1. pasha1713
        pasha1713 17 December 2013 18: 58 New
        +1
        good thanks for the comment, at least some outlet
    3. GDP
      GDP 17 December 2013 13: 34 New
      +2
      Yeah, they accuse us of what they do themselves ... Ordinary European logic ...
    4. skullcap
      skullcap 17 December 2013 13: 47 New
      +4
      [in antiquity, the place where the rebels gathered was called “Goat Swamp”, it was called Maidan only in the 1991 year). [/ quote]
      Fir-tree needles !!! And here evil swamp - "swamp"!
      And immediately, involuntarily, they are recalled - traitors who, with a crouton of a chernyagi, lead their kinsmen to the slaughterhouse.
      For the Soviet people in 91, it was a hump, and for Ukrainians at the moment it is a well-known criminal trinity. It is interesting: which of them is a coward, and who is a balbish? And is there among them the real Experienced?
      []. The economic and social model of the West is inherently parasitic. The West is a ghoul civilization. He constantly needs new victims, territories, resources and slaves to exist. The system is extensive. She constantly needs nourishment. Western "vampires" killed and drank the blood (resources) of dozens of peoples and nationalities of America, Africa, Asia, Australia and Oceania [/ quote]
      And this is the very necessary very deep thoughts that need to be repeated as often as possible, so that less naive people would fall prey to the West and not drag their relatives and compatriots into the abyss.
    5. skullcap
      skullcap 17 December 2013 13: 47 New
      +5


      Zapadentsev-is also part of the Russian world, the Ruses, who were inspired that they are "a special people."

      In the "Lord of the Rings", parts of the elves (albeit in a less sophisticated way) were also inspired that they were "a special people." It turned out to be orcs.
      I think: when all this present Khmar and foolishness will pass, recovered and enlightened people will begin to call “euromaidan” “Orkomaydan.”
  3. santush
    santush 17 December 2013 08: 10 New
    14
    Russia should actively influence Yanukovych to prevent Ukraine from falling under the EU.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 17 December 2013 08: 24 New
      25
      To press on Yanukovych the same as blowing on a weather vane. Where do you go there and turn.
      And if Putin finds a way out of this situation, then he will be able to erect a monument in his lifetime.
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 17 December 2013 11: 01 New
        +8
        And if Putin finds a way out of this situation, then he will be able to erect a monument in his lifetime.


        ...... of gold !!!! on simple he already deserved.
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      3. sasska
        sasska 17 December 2013 13: 45 New
        +3
        I think that Putin has a solution - remember how the Americans were washed away on the issue of Syria.
        Apparently, the right time has not yet arrived.
      4. vadson
        vadson 17 December 2013 14: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        To press on Yanukovych the same as blowing on a weather vane. Where do you go there and turn.
        And if Putin finds a way out of this situation, then he will be able to erect a monument in his lifetime.

        IMHO, in order not to irritate part of the country, Yanyk and Putin Sednya will sign a bunch of agreements, BUT not about joining the vehicle, but about practically the same thing only without a name. the same tomatoes only in profile. and besides, such an "association with the vehicle" will close the path to the EU for Ukraine. As a result, the Maidan will continue until the present. Ukraine will receive loans from us. yanyk will hold out until the elections. east will work. our aligaphrens and state companies will get access to the ukrainian market. The eu will be furious with the fact that the market of ukraine and russia will be closed for them. but here already, as I wrote above, you need to occupy Europe than the thread of the house - tavarish snowden, edka AUUUUU! laughing
    2. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 17 December 2013 08: 25 New
      +4
      Again, Russia, something owed to someone? And do not overtake the brothers Slavs?
      Russia should influence Yanukovych only if Ukraine becomes part of the Russian Federation as one of the subjects, otherwise, the self-righteous and independent ones emerge from the swamp themselves.
      It is necessary to answer for independence and independence, tea is not children ...
      Either approach Russia with the words "Help, brothers! For God's sake, help!", And not demand the type "Must!" and that's it!
      What prevents residents of the Crimea, Donbas, Kharkov, Lugansk, etc. write an appeal to the president of Russia asking for help? What?
      No appeal ... So why all of a sudden Russia should?
      1. Retx
        Retx 17 December 2013 08: 48 New
        +4
        Because Russia will suffer first. 70% investment in a copper basin, cool? Foreign creditors are reducing their investments in Ukraine. Their share decreased to 20% in 2012 from 40% in 2008. And the share of Russian banks is only increasing. Moodys estimates investments of the financial sector of Russia in Ukraine at the level of 20-30 billion dollars. And that was when Tier I grew up. banks at 105bn. dollars. That is about 20-30% of the capital of Tier I. A lot.
        And now they are asking for 15 lard loan, because the Maidan people of their country’s economy are successfully driving down.
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 17 December 2013 09: 04 New
          0
          Withdraw your (Russian) investments and burn it with fire.
          Ukraine was lost immediately after the collapse.
          Since then, Russia has been dragging a cold corpse called "Ukraine" on its shoulders (on the shoulders of the common Russian people as well). And this corpse is too expensive, it's time to throw off the ballast.
          Comes to the ridiculous! the same gas is sold to Ukraine cheaper than to domestic (Russian) consumers! Why do I need a simple Russian person, such a "grateful brother" who, for all the buns that break off him, also shouts "you damned mo_skal!" ???
          1. Gunsmith
            Gunsmith 17 December 2013 10: 27 New
            +2
            Moreover, they still sacredly believe that they are feeding Russia! Several years ago, during the hunger years, at bargain prices for Ukraine, up to 800.000 tons of grain were delivered from Russia simultaneously! Literally, during the last drought. We got along. Forgot? Yes, with them, no matter how Ukraine is torn, we will always get a piece. By all the rules of warfare. I think we have already agreed with the West what exactly they take for themselves and what rolls back automatically to us. Potsdam conference, damn it.
          2. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 17 December 2013 10: 37 New
            11
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            Why do I need a simple Russian person, such a "grateful brother" who, for all the buns that break off him, also shouts "you damned mo_skal!" ???

            Dear, in your nickname is the answer to your question. Our strength lies only in unity, and arguments like "Why do I need a simple Russian person, such a" grateful brother "will ruin both Ukraine and Russia. Not all Ukrainians shout" Damned "and not all Ukrainians shout out of great intelligence. Be smarter than these.
            1. ale-x
              ale-x 17 December 2013 14: 08 New
              0
              You may be right, but this does not entitle the citizens of Ukraine sitting on the couch to wait for Big Brother to understand this and make their life a paradise. Let them decide for themselves. And then all around Russia owes something to everything and without everyone else she is in danger of death, etc. Enough. "I would live by myself."
              1. vanaheym
                vanaheym 17 December 2013 15: 03 New
                -3
                In my opinion, Big Brother is asked about something only on the forum topwar someone in the comments of regular articles about Ukraine. No one owes anything to anyone.
                1. Retx
                  Retx 17 December 2013 16: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vanaheym
                  they ask about something only on the topwar forum someone in the comments of regular articles about Ukraine

                  And loans from the Russian Federation are also being sought by VO users? laughing The budget of Belarus for this year is about $ 23 billion ...
                2. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 17 December 2013 23: 37 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vanaheym
                  . No one owes anything to anyone.

                  We are all obliged - Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, to our mother - Rus and to our great-grandfathers, that we still live in this world, and we will live while we are together, and otherwise - oblivion.
          3. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 17 December 2013 11: 15 New
            +2
            such a "grateful brother" who for all the goodies


            GDP is very kind, it cannot! and so I want to have fed up, and crawled ....

            Mind must be taken ...
            1. standby
              standby 18 December 2013 01: 02 New
              0
              I also want to! Only then, after all, it helped but already in volumes an order of magnitude higher than current costs!
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          5. GDP
            GDP 17 December 2013 13: 38 New
            +2
            It’s very simple to go aside and do nothing ... Trying to turn the tide is the choice of the Great People, and not losing ground and constantly retreating.
            I'm not saying that you need to pump Ukraine with money from our pockets, without requiring anything in return. But just like that, you can’t sit either. Ukrainians are a fraternal people, and we also need to think about the millions of Russians who live there ...
          6. vlad1
            vlad1 17 December 2013 18: 01 New
            -7
            Something you are a simple Russian man confusing Ukraine cheaper to buy gas from Europe than from Russia and this is also a rather big problem. It’s at what prices you sell gas to us, that in order to save money we have to buy it in Europe so that we don’t have to talk about our charity, but in general, Russia and its leadership need to decide whether you are going to tease the West with us or after a while you guys crushed on the same swamp
            1. aquatic
              aquatic 17 December 2013 21: 38 New
              +2
              is it like that?))) But Europe is buying gas from him? at a loss Ukraine sells cheaper? why? are such kind?
      2. morpex
        morpex 17 December 2013 10: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        What prevents residents of the Crimea, Donbas, Kharkov, Lugansk, etc. write an appeal to the president of Russia asking for help?

        And that this scribble under international laws will have some kind of power? Reason for any specific action? This is first
        Secondly, this appeal under the laws of Ukraine is a criminal case. If it were my will, I would have sent to such places distant leaders from Western Ukraine who imagined themselves to be specific princes and some sick deputies of the Crimean parliament who do not have nonsense about troop deployment, etc. These statements from both sides of the camp carry more destructive to Ukraine than the entire Maidan ..
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 17 December 2013 10: 56 New
          +1
          this scribble of weight will have exactly the same as rallies on the Maidan.
          This is the will of the people! And not a weak trump card against the words about Russia's pressure on the "young Ukrainian democracy"
          1. morpex
            morpex 17 December 2013 12: 06 New
            -2
            [quote = Let's return_SSSR] And not a weak trump card against the words about Russia's pressure on "young Ukrainian democracy"

            Don't you think that this mutual pressure from both the West and the East has already gotten enough? Why half of the hardened lads tear their claws, some to Europe, some to Russia. Both of them want a freebie? So it will not be .. Each of those tearing Ukraine to pieces pursues one single goal - his own personal benefit .... I personally do not want to "enter" anywhere. And I am lonely disgusted with this mouse fuss around these unions.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 12: 33 New
              +5
              Quote: morpex
              But doesn’t it seem to you that this mutual pressure has already gotten away from both the West and the East?

              What exactly is the pressure from Russia? Or is any attempt by Russia to protect its markets from European trash is pressure on Ukraine?
              Quote: morpex
              .I personally do not want to "join" anywhere

              Personally doesn’t quench anything on you laughing pardon request
              1. morpex
                morpex 17 December 2013 12: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                What exactly is the pressure from Russia? Or is any attempt by Russia to protect its markets from European trash is pressure on Ukraine?

                Yes, for God's sake. Protect! But why bother treating previously signed treaties in the CIS, the Great Ukrainian-Russian agreement. And the Kharkiv agreements are poher. And you don’t have to blame Ukraine for all this. What prevents both countries from fulfilling these agreements? Trade, make friends, develop ...
                Protect Sasha! But in this case, you don’t have to make Russia’s enemy of Ukraine, mix it with shit pouring from pro-government channels ... Or maybe this is an attempt by your authorities to veil your own problems and miscalculations, throw arrows, so to speak?
                You are a patriot of your Motherland. And I respect you for that. But I don’t understand your sarcasm and cynicism towards my Motherland. Do you have something personal?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Personally, nothing comes of you - pardon

                I know. With this pahanate, yes, and the three who are trying to come to power in the wake of the Maidan are also unworthy of this power. They always decided for us. As well as for you ...
                1. vedmeddd
                  vedmeddd 17 December 2013 13: 35 New
                  +3
                  And the enemy of Russia is not Ukraine, and especially not the Little Russian people, we are brothers! The enemy is the Anglo-Saxons and prostitutes from the Ukrainian government who sold them! We can and should live as one family and not succumb to American propaganda, because they, the whole Western world, are with us .... from the high bell tower! Conclusion - Beat the Anglo-Saxons! And then we will live in amicable and satisfying, and peacefully!
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 13: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: morpex

                  Yes, for God's sake. Protect! But why bother with previously signed treaties in the CIS,

                  It is on the basis of these agreements that Russia + the interests of the CU are valid.
                  Quote: morpex
                  .And Kharkov agreements

                  No, well, actually in Ukraine they are unhappy. What does Russia have to do with it, or did we force you to sign them?
                  Quote: morpex
                  .What prevents both countries from living by fulfilling these agreements? Trade, friends, develop.

                  These are questions to us or can redirect to your politicians. We have one direction, and you have five Fridays for weeks.
                  Quote: morpex
                  But in this case, one does not have to make the enemy of Russia from Ukraine, mix it with shit

                  And whoever makes the enemy of Ukraine here, they always blame Russia for everything in Ukraine. Yatsenyuk recently turned down about 300 years of occupation the other day. Europe screams at the top of its mind about pressure on Ukraine, but there are no our politicians in Ukraine, but Western chasing districts to Maidan.
                  Quote: morpex
                  . Or maybe this is an attempt by your authorities to veil their own problems and miscalculations, throw arrows, so to speak?

                  Yes, actually in Russia there is stability, what problems do we have? If about the vehicle, Putin directly says that you choose where to go. You choose, but ask for money in Moscow. Where is the logic?
                  Quote: morpex
                  Everything was always decided for us. As well as for you ...

                  There is a difference, Western politicians do not decide for me. Russia, unlike Ukraine, is a truly independent country and self-sufficient. Take loans in Moscow and at the same time spit in Russia accusing her of all sins, is this not the cynicism you are talking about.
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 18 December 2013 00: 05 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, actually in Russia there is stability, what problems do we have?

                    Stability say Mr. I Romanov? Well, well .. Look at these links. This is for you personally. This is written by your fellow countrymen about life in Russia. They, unlike you, have blinkered from their eyes:
                    I will not leave http://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic701156.html ...
                    Abandoned city. Shumikhinsky and the Jubilee http://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic700692.html ...
                    The starvation of the oil edge http://www.yaplakal.com/forum28/topic700874.html
                    Is that enough?
                    1. fduch
                      fduch 18 December 2013 08: 42 New
                      0
                      Of course, I really apologize, but says Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug-Ugra, Surgut. Everything is fine with us, we don’t have to make fun of it :))))
                      1. morpex
                        morpex 18 December 2013 11: 42 New
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                        [quote = fduch] Of course, I really apologize, but says Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug-Ugra, Surgut. Everything is fine with us, we don’t have to get scared :))))) [/ quote
                        Well, see? Thanks to the corrupt gentlemen journalists. And in Ukraine they have caught up with horror at the most I can not. And Mr. Romanov gets great pleasure from this "horror"! Denying all the negativity from Russia and welcoming all the negativity from Ukraine ...
        2. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 12: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: morpex
          And that this scribble under international laws will have some kind of power?

          What way out of this situation can you suggest yourself? In addition to your blah blah blah in defense of the maydanutyh and unconfirmed chatter about the "high" goals of this gathering, I, for example, have not heard any constructive from you.
          Quote: morpex
          If it were my will, for such appeals I would have sent to such places not so distant leaders ...

          Let's say they sent it. What's next? Let's say they drove Yanek, dispersed the Cabinet of Ministers and the Rada. What's next? And, most importantly, who? Who to entrust the government of the country?
          Quote: morpex
          These statements on both sides of the camp carry more destructive to Ukraine than the entire Maidan ..

          These destructives-a product of the Maidan and the actions of your favorite maydanutyh. First of all, no such statements were made before the Maidan. And secondly, who began to "sprinkle" tearful petitions to the US Congress, if not maydanutye and others like them hangers-on? Why the hell are the McCains, Nulands, Polish and Baltic consuls, and EU officials spinning on your average Euromaidan? What is it called according to international and domestic laws? And what should be done in response? And who should do? And who will do?
          Only at least answer these questions honestly, without lies and empty talk.
          1. morpex
            morpex 17 December 2013 13: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Jogan-64
            What way out of this situation can you suggest yourself? In addition to your blah blah blah in defense of the maydanutyh and unconfirmed chatter about the "high" goals of this gathering, I, for example, have not heard any constructive from you.

            Okay. I’ll try. I do not support the Maidan, but the people tired of lawlessness who went there against these clowns called the authorities. And these three clowns who try to associate themselves with the fighters for a new Ukraine are as disgusting to me as you are. But we have no other way to fight. It is useless to wait for the elections. They will not. No, they will certainly be, but on paper .. Do you propose something more substantial in this situation, besides calling for a split in the country?

            Quote: Jogan-64
            Let's say they sent it. What's next? Let's say they drove Yanek, dispersed the Cabinet of Ministers and the Rada. What's next? And, most importantly, who? Who to entrust the government of the country?

            Only the election. and a return to the old Constitution. Parliamentary-presidential. And such a return can only happen if Yanukovych is overthrown, because he will not do that ..

            Quote: Jogan-64
            These destructives-a product of the Maidan and the actions of your favorite maydanutyh. First of all, no such statements were made before the Maidan. And secondly, who began to "sprinkle" tearful petitions to the US Congress, if not maydanut and others like them hangers-on? Why the hell are the McCains, Nulands, Polish and Baltic consuls, and EU officials spinning on your average Euromaidan? What is it called according to international and domestic laws? And what should be done in response? And who should do? And who will do? Tol

            I already answered you. I am jarred by all this. I am disgusted by the fact that this shushera has clung to the people.
            You, too, by the way, do not spit saliva about the Maidan. We and Kiseleva enough with his everyday w.s.se.r.p.a.m.i.
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 15: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: morpex
              I do not support the Maidan, but the people tired of lawlessness who went there ...

              Are they the people with chains, cobblestones, fittings, pipe cuttings, paint and gas cans, Molotov cocktails? Who smashes historical monuments and chops famous Kiev chestnuts for firewood? Who yells: "Who is not with us - that mo.sk.l!" and rushes around Kiev with Nazi-Bandera slogans? Would it be that creating lawlessness - that people "tired of lawlessness"?
              Do you understand that supporting the Maidan, where this scum rages, you unwittingly support this scum ???
              Quote: morpex
              ... against these clowns called power.

              Mistake! These are not clowns. The clowns were led by Yushchenko. He is the main clown. And these are grabbers and thieves! Let's call a spade a spade.hi
              Quote: morpex
              Do you propose something more substantial in this situation, besides a call for a split in the country?

              Amputate Galychina and Galychyan with their ideology. And this is not a split, but the salvation of the country. Next is a referendum on all important issues (elections, unions, language, foreign and domestic policy with the economy, nationalization, courts, reforms, etc.) Then - to work.
              Quote: morpex
              Only the election. and a return to the old Constitution. Parliamentary - presidential.

              And where from the Maidan calls for elections, demands for elections? What do you "support" there? Government - to resign? So the Maidan will not put him aside. And appoint a new one. In place of some grabbers, others will be appointed ...
              Why does no one on the Maidan demand a referendum if you are such lawyers there?
              Quote: morpex
              I already answered you. I am jarred by all this. I am disgusted by the fact that this shushera has clung to the people.

              This riffraff did not stick to anyone. She is the Maidan for which you are so advocating. And it was this riffraff that rules the whole ball there.
              Quote: morpex
              You, too, by the way, do not spit saliva about the Maidan. We and Kiseleva enough with his everyday w.s.se.r.p.a.m.i.

              On the Maidan it is necessary not to spray with saliva, but kalbofos. As a pest of crops. For maydanutye, if they differ from crop pests, it is only as a more harmful infection.
              And with Kiselyov, do not cling to me. I even forgot it when I listened. For adequate, sane people kaselova not needed. I personally have enough of what I saw, heard, read, and my conclusions from everything. hi
            2. skullcap
              skullcap 17 December 2013 21: 29 New
              +5
              Quote: morpex
              I support not the Maidan, but the people, tired of the lawlessness, who went out there against these clowns called the authorities

              Here lies the difference in the assessment of what is happening on the Kozlin swamp, now called Maidan, from your, local, point of view, and Russian, external.
              It seems to you from the inside that you are struggling with a stealing and rotten regime. And from the side it is perfectly clear that the people of Ukraine are used as a blind instrument for the collapse of the country.
              Remember at least a little science like history, which teaches only that which teaches nothing.
              Remember the 17 year, when the people who were tired of the war, came out not to destroy the Russian empire, but only to throw off the rotten regime of embezzlers.
              Remember 91, when people tired of the lack of American jeans and gum, came out not at all to destroy one of the two greatest superpowers, but to shed the hated partocracy with its privileges. But it was used by an external beneficiary in the same way as in the 17 year.
              Remember the very recent Libya, when the unemployed driven to despair set fire to himself in protest against the arbitrariness of the authorities and the people overthrew the dictator Gaddafi. But did this make people better? Or a thousand times worse? I leave the answer to you.
              Well, don't you really understand that the protesting people are once again being used by an external force as a blind weapon for the destruction of some yet stable state? After all, if it is destroyed - how many tears and blood will it later cost this people, now fooled by “independent media”?
              Don't you understand it there?
              Of course, we will accept all refugees if the Americans, by bending over Euroduns, succeed in implementing their plan to unleash a hot war near the borders with Russia and then transfer it to Russian territory. But we also need you - is it necessary?
              Are you really so blind that you do not see (or simply do not want to see) all the prospects for the development of this conflict?
              DOGS. Just do not say that Ukraine is not Syria and, especially, not Libya. Look then at least on Yugoslavia.
              1. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 18 December 2013 00: 54 New
                0
                Quote: kosopuz
                Are you really so blind that you do not see (or simply do not want to see) all the prospects for the development of this conflict?

                Alas, dear, just so ... hi
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          2. morpex
            morpex 17 December 2013 13: 27 New
            +4
            Quote: Jogan-64
            And what way out of this situation can you offer yourself?

            Still after. What am I? Romanov clearly said that nothing depends on me. Here are the main arbiters. They also can’t understand anything by the way:
            who is responsible for the fact that the Maidan will go in one direction or another?

            In recent days, all developed somewhere in this way:

            Merkel Klitschko: Acne, after you go to the Maidan?

            Acne: Mmmm, where to go?

            Merkel Putin: And hell knows where to go for Vitalik Maidan.

            Merkel Putin: And you ask Yatsenyuk!

            Merkel Kerry: Ask Yatsenuk where will Maidan

            Kerry Nuland: Did you, ask where they go then

            Nuland Yatsenyuk: Everyone wants to know where to go Maidan and for God's sake no violence, we all already tired Assad.

            Yatseniuk: We will not sit at the same table s Yanukovych, let sanctions!

            Nuland: A Maidan where to go if there are sanctions?

            Yatseniuk: We need sanctions!

            Nuland Kerry: They are neither x * I do not get

            Kerry Merkel: There's some sort of * ynya

            Merkel Putin: Vova, I'm scared

            Merkel Putin: Let's call Yanukovych

            Call: Viktor Yanukovych, it's time to finish with the amateur, there you Catherine Ashton travels

            Yanukovych: Understood

            The next morning

            Nuland Kerry: Fuck, there's still a big ynya *! I ran to the Maidan will distribute cookies

            Kerry Putin: What are they doing?

            Putin Kerry: And who said it would be easy? It is necessary to scare him

            Kerry Putin: McCain Shipped

            McCain arrives.

            McCain Yanukovych Viktor will be very, very bad

            Yanukovych: I'm ready to go

            McCain: Just do not intimidate us! Sit here and do not make any sudden movements!

            McCain Kerry: He wants to leave

            Kerry Putin: He did not have to leave

            Putin Yanukovych Viktor Fedorovich, come to us for cookies 17-th
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 16: 04 New
              0
              Quote: morpex
              Even after.

              Well ... And what is constructive in this Maidan?
              What does he decide?
              And what can he even decide?
              Or at least influence something?
              World disgrace and mockery! fool
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 17 December 2013 16: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: morpex
              Merkel Klitschko: Acne, after you go to the Maidan?

              It is known where, coaches and other "coaches" have been working with him for a long time. We read here:"American Coaches Vitali Klitschko"
            3. alone
              alone 17 December 2013 20: 13 New
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              laughing All the same, a clever man Yanukovych. He arranged a small auctioneer. Who will give more dough and so will be in union. And what if at the end he remembers his criminal past and starts throwing everyone)))?
              1. Mower
                Mower 18 December 2013 08: 41 New
                0
                Yakunevich ????? I don’t think that you’ll especially get sick with Vovik ..... let’s better not try to .....
      3. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 17 December 2013 11: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        What prevents residents of the Crimea, Donbas, Kharkov, Lugansk, etc. write an appeal to the president of Russia asking for help? What?


        Nothing interferes - here I am writing. I'll send it for dinner.
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      5. Tamparu
        Tamparu 17 December 2013 14: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: We refund_SSSR

        Again, Russia, something owed to someone? And do not overtake the brothers Slavs?


        Yes, brothers Slavs in Ukraine will not tear themselves ....
        As I understand it, the Ukrainian proverb "my house is on the edge" has taken root well in the Russian Federation ?!
        This is no offense, but it’s impossible ....
        With this attitude, our nation will definitely lose Ukraine ...
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 17 December 2013 08: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: santush
      Russia should actively influence Yanukovych to prevent Ukraine from falling under the EU.


      do you think these are spillikins? It seems that now on the territory of Ukraine, an issue of at least a continental scale is being resolved, the main thing is not fussing, the gayropeans are caught up in the reins, fuss, and our troops in the person of the "Surgeon" in Sevastopol landed, sort of like a trifle, and Alexander "Surgeon" Zaldostanov, handles personally with BB
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 08: 38 New
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      Quote: santush
      Russia should actively influence Yanukovych

      Yes, in figs, Yanukovych needs him, he says one thing, does the other thing all the time and so on. It’s time to sponsor the Russian parties. There are many in the West, and Russia is releasing non-repayable loans, it’s not clear to whom and why. Now again, we are talking about that Ukraine can give a loan of 15 billion dollars. The question is why and to whom? If Yanukovych, so he is for the EU. Who we support now is not clear request
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 17 December 2013 09: 15 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, in FIG, Yanukovych needs him, he says one thing, does the other thing all the time and so on with respect to everyone.

        Sasha, pay attention to the fact that on the Maidan we are talking about Russia as an enemy of Ukraine, already without specific political personalities. Prior to this, the Maydan people told the Maydan people delightful stories that all this is not against Russia, but against Putin, and “beat up” means “I demand observance of human rights”.
        We will be in the view of Ukrainian nationalists enemies under any regime, power and ideology, even if we put a Negro homosexual who was discharged from the USA to the Kremlin and scream on the Maidan - “In the ass, then you want us to ******* M about with to and to and? ”. Euromaidan is an absolutely anti-Russian phenomenon of Ukrainian nationalism in form and essence, which at 90% consists of contrasting itself with everything Russian. The slogan of Russian nationalism: “Russia for the Russians!” The slogan of Ukrainian nationalism: “Ukraine is not Russia!” Feel, as they say, the difference in governing ideas.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 09: 38 New
          +6
          Quote: Tersky

          Sasha, pay attention to the fact that on the Maidan we are talking about Russia as an enemy of Ukraine,

          And when they (the maidanutyh) had other speeches, enemies and friends. Everything is the same as in 2004, only you have to pay for extras.
          Quote: Tersky
          even if we put a homosexual black man discharged from the USA to the Kremlin

          Twist, tie a plump laughing
          Quote: Tersky
          “Ukraine is not Russia!

          Well, so the main task was to hammer the population that they were not Russians. It must be said in many ways.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 17 December 2013 10: 29 New
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Twist, tie a plump

            Looking at all this bedlam on the Maidan and without a loaf you will become an Alcanaut .... laughing.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 17 December 2013 18: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              even if we put a homosexual black man discharged from the USA to the Kremlin

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Twist, tie a plump

              Quote: Tersky
              Looking at all this bedlam on the Maidan and without a loaf Alkanaut camp

              Here again, I missed the fun part request Hi guys drinks
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 17 December 2013 19: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Here again, I missed the fun part

                Ruslan, hello! All "interesting" is now in the heads of TyagnyVbokoYacekoKlichkovsky freak and their followers. Well, the three-headed Opposition can somehow be interpreted like this, one head is good, two heads are a nightmare, three-put out the light.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 17 December 2013 19: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Tersky
                  All "interesting" is now in the heads of TyagnyVbokoYacekoKlichkovsky freak and their followers.

                  In addition to the Maidan menu that they eat in their heads there is nothing interesting request Just appreciate it: barricades of snow and garbage Bonfires from the main New Year tree of the country and in the middle of the square a piano painted in yellow-black color fool In my life, during my work at the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I had to guard a dkrdom drugstore, etc. But even there I didn’t see this request
                  1. Tersky
                    Tersky 17 December 2013 20: 02 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    In my life, during my work at the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I had to guard a dkrd drug-drugstore, etc. N
                    Bad guard laughing , all the "clients" scattered across the swamp and Maidans ... laughing By the way, the news of the day, a minute ago ITAR TASS,Putin: the price of 1 thousand cubic meters of gas for Ukraine will be 268,5 dollars, began the Russian-European Union folk game-tug of war. yes
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 17 December 2013 20: 09 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Tersky
                      Bad guard

                      Swamp in Moscow Maidan in Kiev And I guarded in St. Petersburg request Is everything calm in St. Petersburg? Then clear the claim soldier Not my area of ​​responsibility maydanutyh chambers to drive wassat
                    2. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 17 December 2013 20: 11 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Tersky
                      began the Russian-European Union folk game-tug of war.

                      With a noose around the neck of Yanukovych laughing
                      1. Tersky
                        Tersky 17 December 2013 22: 02 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Is everything calm in St. Petersburg? Then remove the claim Not my area of ​​responsibility maydanutyh chambers driven

                        If such a thing is removed laughing
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        With a noose around the neck of Yanukovych
                        And here with the rent will have to wait .. laughing
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 17 December 2013 22: 19 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Tersky
                        I’ll have to wait with it ..

                        Let's wait for their mother laughing You can’t talk seriously with this gang anymore: the State Department with pies is not even a clinic, but a new word in psychiatry fool
      2. ebrd
        ebrd 17 December 2013 17: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Tersky

        Sasha, pay attention to the fact that on the Maidan we are talking about Russia as an enemy of Ukraine, already without specific political personalities. Prior to this, the Maydan people told the Maydan people delightful stories that all this is not against Russia, but against Putin, and “beat up” means “I demand observance of human rights”.
        We will be in the view of Ukrainian nationalists enemies under any regime, power and ideology, even if we put a Negro homosexual who was discharged from the USA to the Kremlin and scream on the Maidan - “In the ass, then you want us to ******* M about with to and to and? ”. Euromaidan is an absolutely anti-Russian phenomenon of Ukrainian nationalism in form and essence, which at 90% consists of contrasting itself with everything Russian. The slogan of Russian nationalism: “Russia for the Russians!” The slogan of Ukrainian nationalism: “Ukraine is not Russia!” Feel, as they say, the difference in governing ideas.

        I support you all 100 ... Proud Ukrainians have found guilty of all their troubles --- Russia and Russians !!! ... well, like: ,, mi 22roki are Vilnius look willows - and curse the qi roks steel utrychi more beautiful than us !!!, you need to know the character of a Ukrainian-in - they don’t forgive such a thing! ... And no friendly steps, comprehensive assistance from Russia will change the situation --- Russia and everything Russian is evil for them, and the EU- --light of democracy and goodness ... fool
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 17 December 2013 10: 20 New
      10
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Whom we support now is not clear


      Despite all the problems, Ukraine remains one of Europe’s largest producers and exporters of metal, electricity, and, even better, cheap labor. Moreover, it is sufficiently qualified and not a carrier of Islamic fundamentalism. AND not corrupted by European salaries.What is most important. In addition, Ukraine is a large market for all Euro consumer goods and food guan, which, if an agreement is signed on an FTA, can flood the 50 millionth market, thereby stimulating domestic producers and withdrawing Greece, Portugal and Spain from the crisis, which essentially hang weight on neck of Germany. Ukraine is a huge market and cheap labor, which right now in the stage of economic crisis is so necessary for the EU. If before 2008 when in Europe everything was less normal, they needed Ukraine only as a Russophobian anti-Russian sanitary cordon, even when the pro-Western Yushchenko was in power and there was no question of any association, on the contrary, scrupulous and glamorous gay men were pushing their hands and feet away from the violent and unpredictable Svidomo freeloaders. Now it’s not up to the fat to save the Eurosome, which is dying in the grip of the crisis, and therefore such a nervous reaction and fuss. And Putin’s Russia, so that they don’t speak there, more and more declares itself as a real center of power and not a colossus with feet of clay. And if Ukraine enters the CES with its resources and market, then there will be a real opportunity to create a new regional currency that will compete with the euro and the dollar, and even supported by the yuan through the BRICS and SCO structures. And then the European Bobby whining and wagging his tail himself crawls to bow to the Russian Bear.
      Europe in the swamp to the throat - here they are for Ukraine, as if grabbing a straw.
      in Germany, GDP growth was ridiculously modest - 0,3%, or 1,3% year on year. Moreover, these 1,3% will not necessarily be received. The fact is that in September production has already begun to decline. And the fourth quarter began and was completely unsuccessful: in October, the volume of industrial production in Germany decreased by 1,2% compared to September.
      At the same time, production in the processing industry decreased by 1,1%, output of means of production decreased by 3%, and consumer durable goods - by 4,5%.

      Europe without a future
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 10: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        Europe in the swamp to the throat - here they are for Ukraine, as if grabbing a straw.

        Stanislav, how does your writing relate to credit from Moscow?
        Hey.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 17 December 2013 15: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Stanislav, how does your writing relate to credit from Moscow?
          Hey.


          Hey. Do you remember the words of Brzezinski?
          «Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, with Ukraine, bribed, and then subordinate, Russia automatically turns into an empire ... Under US hegemony, a new world order is being created against Russia and on the wreckage of Russia. For us, Ukraine is an outpost of the West against the restoration of the Soviet Union. ”

          political scientist David Fram writes
          “To restore the Soviet Union, one thing is absolutely necessary: ​​the restoration of Moscow’s control over Ukraine ... Without Ukraine, with its almost 46 million people and rich natural resources, Russia is a large and strong country, but not a superpower. ”.

          Ukraine already owes Putin banks Gazprombank, VEB and VTB plus Sberbank $ 20bn. There is nothing to pay, and judging by the increase in the yield on foreign currency government bonds, default is not far off. In this case, the collapse of an artificially so-called government formation under the name of Ukraine is possible, and this is an irrevocable loss of our potentially economic and geopolitical space and, in the future, even greater NATO advancement to our borders at the expense of Western Ukraine. On the other hand, this money will go nowhere again and continue the beloved fun of those in power in the ukraine called sitting on two chairs or one calf sucks two queens. In general, there have not been negotiations yet and what conditions Putin will put forward for vowels or unspoken ones are not known to us. Let's wait what happens tomorrow.
          1. loisop
            loisop 22 December 2013 12: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Ascetic
            one calf of two queens sucks
            ..but the time has come when the mothers are over. Remained - folders. With the developed skill for this calf - what to do?
          2. loisop
            loisop 22 December 2013 12: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Ascetic
            one calf of two queens sucks
            ..but the time has come when the mothers are over. Remained - folders. With the developed skill for this calf - what to do?
  4. acute
    acute 17 December 2013 10: 02 New
    -7
    No need to put pressure on anyone, then it will be a shame for what they did. Russians decide for Ukraine what to do. Do not. Putin said that we will accept what Ukraine decides. And it is right. Ukrainians are annoyed that the residents of the Urals decide for them who they should be with. Ukraine is a sovereign state. Do not get involved in this buch. so it was with Yanukovych. for example, I am ashamed that Russia helped him seize power. You and I have the same problems, let's solve them, otherwise we will come to the same. Leave Ukrainians, they decide what they need. Yes, in fact, the choice has already been made and they do not need our advice
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 10: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: akut
      Do not. Putin said that we will accept what Ukraine decides. And it is right. Ukrainians annoyed that the residents of the Urals decide for no

      I went to the Ukrainian site, and there **** Despite the fact that Putin says, let’s decide for yourself. Everyone blames Putin for everything. It doesn’t matter what the man writes in the Urals, it only matters that speaks and makes power. If we give credit to Ukraine, you think they will say thank you, they won’t say it. They will say that Russia should and must give this money, such as a debt to Ukraine for all the troubles caused.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 17 December 2013 12: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They won’t say that Russia should and must give this money, such as a debt to Ukraine for all the troubles caused.

        Hello Alexander!
        Somehow, at the beginning of this mess, I considered it differently, but NOT observing the opposition to the "sworn guests" who came (invited essno) from all over the western and US districts, it suggests that the rest of the world does not care, the main thing is so that the refrigerator is not robbed.
        And Putin, of course, is in the know about everything and Yanyk and in Ukraine itself, you only have to wait a couple of months, this Olympiad knits very tightly on your hands, and football in the 19th hell with him didn’t really want to, and even before The 19th. In short, in the spring it will be interesting, very interesting, because in different ways, there are still many people in Ukraine with a Russian passport, much more than in South Ossetia ... but the main thing is that everything is loving and without blood.
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 17 December 2013 19: 03 New
        +4
        do not look at sites --- there are special people touching on topics with slogans against Russia and Putin ... not for me to tell you and give examples. There are Cotobots everywhere ... that specifically pit the theme.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 17 December 2013 19: 11 New
          +2
          Russia has placed 15 billion dollars in Ukrainian securities!
          We agreed to resume the production of aircraft en!
          Construction of the crossing over the Kerch Strait!
          Simplify the border regime!
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 17 December 2013 19: 14 New
            +1
            And I forgot and agreed on a discount on gas! Here it is the evil face of totalitarian Russia
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 17 December 2013 19: 27 New
              +1
              And that's what interests me, money was taken from the welfare fund of the Russian Federation! And they gave Ukraine just donated because their securities are worth nothing !!!
              1. Shur
                Shur 17 December 2013 23: 39 New
                +1
                If these are currency "dollar SDOs", then Asket has already opened a topic on them here, I will quote his message: "From that moment on, part of the internal debt became dollar-denominated, and the obligations of the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine to OVDP holders began to be covered not only in hryvnia, but also in American currency. Moreover, it is interesting to issue dollar-denominated debt obligations most actively after Ukraine was practically in a credit blockade. Let us recall the story with the Kiriyenko government, when the IMF refused to issue the next credit tranche, a mass of state defense orders was thrown into the market and then, in order not to pay the debts, it was announced default and a sharp depreciation of the ruble, which brought the interested gesheftmachers huge profits and the majority of the people a sharp impoverishment. The instrument of super-profits of some persons becomes just currency bonds, access to which only a select few have. What is the "trick" of these bonds. First, by obligations. associated with foreign currency bonds, the state issues 100 percentguarantees. (as opposed to ruble (hryvnia). Secondly, these securities can bring investors a big "gain" in the event of a default, a sharp drop in the hryvnia exchange rate and against this background of a sharp rise in the purchasing power of the dollar, especially in the Ukrainian market, where everything will cost a penny. And what do we see? According to the NBU, in November 2013, the bulk of the new issues of foreign currency bonds of the Ministry of Finance were bought by non-residents. "I hope he will not blame me for bringing his text ..
              2. Victor-M
                Victor-M 17 December 2013 23: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Sid.74
                presented to Ukraine simply presented because their securities are not worth anything !!

                It looks like it will now be worth it.
            2. acute
              acute 18 December 2013 10: 29 New
              0
              Ukraine has achieved its goal. but at whose expense? Not at the expense of the Russian oligarchs, but at the expense of ordinary average Russians. But again in Ukraine they are shouting "Get out" of Russia. And they will change their government and Tyagnibok will come, so how will it end? What dividends will Russia receive from this?
        2. SSR
          SSR 17 December 2013 21: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Cristall
          do not look at sites --- there are special people touching on topics with slogans against Russia and Putin ... not for me to tell you and give examples. There are Cotobots everywhere ... that specifically pit the theme.

          Thanks. It's just that sometimes it's not really clear how people navigate in "space" and your reminder about kotobots cooled down a little))))
      3. blizart
        blizart 20 December 2013 13: 49 New
        0
        Dear friends, let me give you an excerpt from the work of V. Astafiev "Cursed and Forgotten", written in 1992
        These combatants were called "Westerners" - this is in the villages of Western Ukraine
        scraped them, shaved them, taught them a little and shoved them to the front.
        Traveling far and wide by wars, tormented by invasions and
        devastation, the land here has long ceased to give birth to people of a certain
        sex, the women here were braver and more generous than men, they are more likely a character
        shibi at the fighters, the men were "neither te nor se", that is, the same neutral
        a strip that so dangerously and unreliably separates two female moves: when
        crazy with passion, the groom or just a hahal, not aiming properly, will please
        in a secret place, then this is what is called to get into a mess. In a word, there was
        the male part of this nation remained semi-men, semi-Ukrainians,
        half-Poles, half-Magyars, half-Bessarabs, half-bells and more, and more
        someone. But whoever they were, they were out of the habit of fighting openly, "all enemies"
        were afraid, could "be" only from around the corner, which soon successfully proved
        , after the war, cutting and knocking each other out, destroying our remaining
        the army and the authorities beat in the back of the head.
        It was hoped the rail would be better. Our railway
        transport even in the days of collapse and devastation, the fight against "enemies of the people", all kinds of
        progressive innovations, changes of leaders, people's commissars and ministers stubbornly
        maintained a firm, respectful attitude to man, especially to man
        military, wounded, in need of help. But there was Polish iron
        the road sloshed, splattered, razashenny, like the state itself,
        for a break, torn by that, then by another neighbor, and for this reason completely
        traded. "The Germans will come, - said in the parable heard here, -
        will rob and establish democracy; come - they will drink and
        ... be merciless. So I advise panamanism, - the experienced instructed his parish
        shepherd, - do not refuse the holes, otherwise burn, but do it with ambition -
        through the ass. "So they still do - everything goes through them, but with
        ambition.
    2. Turkestan
      Turkestan 17 December 2013 12: 42 New
      +3
      I wonder how the residents of the Urals decide with whom to be Ukraine. You still say that the residents of the Urals chose Yanukovych and are guilty of what is happening in Ukraine. WELL IT.........
      1. Tamparu
        Tamparu 17 December 2013 15: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Turkestan

        I wonder how the inhabitants of the Urals decide with whom to be Ukraine. You still say that the residents of the Urals chose Yanukovych and are guilty of ...


        The trick is that Yanukovych was chosen as opposed to Yushchenko the beekeeper ... There was not much choice. This beekeeper would have fed Ukraine with American honey long ago. And the third, then, was not ... normal, pro-Russian. I had to be content with what it was. But it turned out that "Donetsk krasapeta" threw everyone ... :)))
        Now they rake everything out according to the most "I don't want" ... hi
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 17 December 2013 18: 54 New
          +3
          moreover, they deliberately voted for the pro-Russian vector of development once, the Russian state was two well against Yushchenko’s Nato (remember the protests and unrest)
          most of them chose this, pushing Yanyk to the throne. As we see in a democratic way, we did as needed. Is it possible for the people to say Vtyayayaya - let's do it, or else we’ll fire? Then we can dismiss him again democratically 2015 (and not by the crowd on the Maidan and even putting the fascists on the throne)
          but again there will be a tough question - who is next? Will there be a candidate who not only promises but also fulfills the pro-Russian vector and the Russian language?
          Consider earlier Yanyk that fully represented them, now there will be no one. There will be TYagnischrayk (it will be a song and Yusch will seem just a humorist) Shred --- well, here the EU is clear with giblets. And Yatsik / Julia .. share the loot together ..
          No pro-Russian candidates for 2015 ... gloom ...
          We have a choice of nominee communists (they are not voted for on the memory, and generally young people) and Medvechuk ... also not so hot about Putin’s kind of staunch supporter (that he will play an evil advertisement on the memory)
          In general, gloom ... Either a bandit or anarchy ... something like that. What we see in principle on the Maidan. The anarchist crowd, under good slogans, acts according to the principle - Lyubo dear brothers .. "Kolo" (Cossack circle) has chosen only a slogan, not a path. The leaders will take everything for themselves ... and it will be even worse.
          A person cannot calculate that others will take advantage of his actions.
          Therefore, now "Maidan" under any slogan in Kiev is harm to the country.
          Maybe the southeast is doing right. It would be wise to transfer the capital temporarily. Kiev is not the capital of Ukraine ... the capital of anarchy.
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      3. acute
        acute 18 December 2013 10: 32 New
        0
        I write that it is not up to the residents of the Urals to decide what will happen to Ukraine. This is the most annoying for Ukrainians.
    3. Goodmen
      Goodmen 17 December 2013 13: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: akut
      No need to put pressure on anyone, then it will be a shame for what they did. Russians decide for Ukraine what to do. Do not.


      There is such a thing called "foreign policy". And not to deal with it - to lose credibility in the eyes of the international community ... i.e. if without consequences, then we-ra-th ... but the trick is that the consequences are inevitable, and the Russian Federation is not what it should, but simply must protect its interests. Otherwise, only a lazy person will not wipe their feet about us ... and everyone will not care for any humanely liberalistic reasons we are not getting into anything. Will be interpreted as weakness.

      On the situation with Ukraine, I can say that this show is primarily directed against the Russian Federation. Otherwise, the Americans would not scream ... secondarily, of course, the European Union (their allies) must be pulled out of cesspools at the expense of sales markets and natural resources in the newly occupied territories. Including and Ukraine. Yes, and fraternal peoples (by blood, history, culture) distribute .. between themselves - a great thing.
      And who thinks that Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians are not fraternal peoples (or even one people !!!), he is greatly mistaken. And I hope history will prove it!
    4. vladek64
      vladek64 17 December 2013 18: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: akut
      Putin said that we will accept what Ukraine decides.

      Well, if Putin really thought so, then he would never have become president of Russia.

      Quote: akut
      Ukraine is a sovereign state.

      And here you are very mistaken. Our sovereignty is more theoretical.
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 17 December 2013 18: 32 New
        0
        Quote: vladek64
        Well, if Putin really thought so, then he would never become president of Russia


        it was !!! He really said so, heard it himself ... only in other words, like "The Russian Federation will accept any choice of the Ukrainian people" ... I don't remember the wording for sure ... you can google if you want ...
        1. SSR
          SSR 17 December 2013 21: 53 New
          +5
          Talking in politics doesn’t mean doing)))) he said yes ... I’ll take it and put a heel on the Faberge .... And I got the carrot and the gay people just press on the Faberge and draw the carrot ... Exaggerated but somehow
  • Dymkovsky
    Dymkovsky 17 December 2013 08: 14 New
    +5
    From the point of view of psychology, the photo shows who is a serf and who is the master. What generally characterizes the opposition as a whole is the whole, they listen to the full ear of all kinds of whispers. And the distribution of cookies is generally an apotheosis.
    1. a52333
      a52333 17 December 2013 08: 19 New
      +4
      So it’s not a topic: I look at the photo and imagine how Klitschko sends McCain to the knockout ... dreams. recourse
  • askort154
    askort154 17 December 2013 08: 17 New
    30
    In the photo, Klitschko looks at McCain like a loyal dog at his master. Another moment, and he will begin
    lick.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 17 December 2013 09: 01 New
      14
      Quote: askort154
      In the photo, Klitschko looks at McCain like a devoted dog at his master. Another moment, and will begin to lick him.


      The dog is. After all, he and his kodla go to the maidan to host grandmothers, as to work.
      1. acute
        acute 17 December 2013 10: 48 New
        +3
        People. those who are professionally involved in politics are very difficult .. They live in completely different categories. Therefore, they cannot be judged with universal concepts. they are trying to solve their problems. No wonder they say about them that they are all "prostitutes". It's a different world. incomprehensible to ordinary people and the laws there are completely different. look at how Putin calls Americans and West Europeans "partners" over and over again. These "partners" are so much on ... he and Russia that it would be more appropriate to call them pi ... sy. But it sounds from time to time "partners"
        1. ale-x
          ale-x 17 December 2013 14: 13 New
          +2
          So essentially n *** sy in the literal sense are partners.
        2. vadson
          vadson 17 December 2013 14: 45 New
          +1
          Putin’s partners are for the western citizen, the Soviet Union is not-the evil empire, respectively, too, we have a democracy. pure PR
    2. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 17 December 2013 11: 51 New
      +4
      In the photo, Klitschko looks at McCain like a loyal dog at his master. Another moment, and he will begin
      lick.

      ... I also liked yesterday how they were said about them .... the Klitschko sisters!
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  • bif
    bif 17 December 2013 08: 27 New
    +4
    With Western Ukraine, everything is clear. Galicia (a depressed region where there is a high unemployment rate) is the main supplier of migrant workers. At the same time, Western Ukrainians, despite the traditionally low level of education and production qualifications, are distinguished by excessive self-esteem and a claim to a special socio-political status (in this they are similar to the Polish gentry). With the support of local criminal-comprador clans, European bureaucracy, American and European (mostly Polish) experts on “color revolutions”, Galicia has become the main springboard of the West in Ukraine and is trying to impose its will on the rest of the regions. At the same time, Galicia is a stronghold of Ukrainian neo-Nazism, its symbol is the SS division “Galicia”. Therefore, the activists of the Kiev "euromaidan" of the Galician neo-Nazis - this is a frank "fifth column", the enemies of the people.

    Well, these are traditionally the most useless and subsidized - the most screeching and Russophobic
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 17 December 2013 15: 18 New
      0
      Quote: bif
      Well, these are traditionally the most useless and subsidized - the most screeching and Russophobic

      In 2009, in the "feeding all" Luhansk region, 858 UAH per person was collected in the state budget against 1202 UAH in Lviv. Not to mention UAH 13383 in the Kiev region and UAH 2379 in Chernihiv with practically standing enterprises. If we talk about regional subsidies, then according to the statistics of 2013 - Eastern Ukraine is subsidized more than Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk, or even more so Chernivtsi region.
      So I think it's time to stop these mantras about the fact that "we feed everyone, and they are loafers."
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 17 December 2013 20: 05 New
        +2
        Well, Kievskaya is the largest percentage (24%) and Lvivskaya only 8%; the rest are small things (4-6%)
        The fact is that somehow it divides - if the memory with Kiev, then they are more if Kiev with the East then the memory is simply a beggar. Kievskaya itself gives 1/4 of Ukraine. Although all flows go there ..
        My region is the largest but the population density is low (2 million of which 1 million in Odessa and most in the suburbs near it) The southern region gives 12%, at low density
        The East is not only industrial but also dense in population .. The calculation of per capita is not entirely true.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 17 December 2013 08: 35 New
    22
    Hmmm ... Look at these pictures and it immediately becomes clear: why do people get into politics. Mind is not necessary, education too, on principles to put ... Ori, that prompt from phashington and at once you will have everything! And friends are millionaires and senators (so what, that is, beat ...) and perspective ...
    Speaking of perspective: Bobik and Sharik meet. The ball is all so plump, the hair is shiny, and Bobik is skinny as a bicycle, shabby ...
    Bobik asks: "Where do you serve Sharik?"
    Sharik- "Yes, I'm guarding the meat-packing plant ... And where are you?"
    Bobik- "Yes, I'm guarding the metallurgical plant ...".
    Ball- "Come to us! We have vacancies!"
    Bobik- "Yes, no ... I have a prospect ...".
    Sharik - "What is such a prospect?"
    Bobik- "Yes, I overheard the conversation of the chief engineer and the director of the plant ...".
    Sharik - "and what are they saying?"
    Bobik - "Yes, the director said that if things at the plant go the same way as now, then Bobik will have to suck his dick ... So I'm waiting ..."
    If Klitschko really claims to be the director of the Maidan, then the prospect may not get around him ... repeat
    1. vadson
      vadson 17 December 2013 14: 48 New
      +2
      I hadn’t read it before, I almost broke it from laughter. +
  • Mails
    Mails 17 December 2013 08: 36 New
    +3
    Another moment and it will start
    fool suck... am
  • Mails
    Mails 17 December 2013 08: 41 New
    +1
    In general, zabeya in front.
    As soon as any agreement is signed with Europe.
    An urgent need is to hold a referendum in the eastern regions of Ukraine on independence and recognition of the East-Ukrainian ethnic group. With subsequent accession to Russia. In the justification in the media, you can show 2 finger shapes: 1. of three fingers, xnumx. American middle finger. - well, so to speak, international messages to our colleagues)))) soldier
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 17 December 2013 15: 20 New
      +1
      And what, you sincerely think that there are more than 60 summer pensioners who aspire to the USSR than younger people who have grown up not under the USSR and consider themselves far from being the region of the Russian Federation.
      1. georg737577
        georg737577 17 December 2013 17: 42 New
        0
        Personally, I live in eastern Ukraine and do not see crowds of people in need of joining Russia. Basically, people are satisfied with the non-aligned status of the country. Young people are unequivocally opposed to joining the Customs Union, and calls it the "Taiga Union" ... Reading the comments on the site, one gets the impression that in Russia they are poorly informed about how the majority of people are in reality. Scenarios with a split in Ukraine cause only laughter; the majority are for European integration, their opponents are mostly pensioners, and against Yanukovych - everyone. The ostentatious forced "rallies" for power are fiction for the media. Everyone hates Yanukovych and the Party of Regions, it's just that not everything is open it is stated. Fear, like an atavism of the Soviet period, is still present among the older generation. I think that Yanukovych will have to leave, and the Party of Regions and the Communist Party will be officially banned after his departure. And believe me, 90 percent of Ukrainians want this.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 17 December 2013 19: 02 New
          +2
          And where does the Communist Party? heh .. I thought you were wrong. cannot be 90% against the Communist Party. We have a high proportion of pensioners, and there is also a goal that should not prohibit the Communist Party (they may have the most sober slogans and even Bendera’s Tyagnischrayki peak)
          Yes, understand, there isn’t such a thing. The majority is for the EU ... people believe that it’s better there (they themselves didn’t read the conditions), most condemn the actions of those who are bawling and memory of the memory. This is anarchy.
          If there is a choice between Anarchy and Yanyk, then the bandit is preferable to anarchy! In the meantime, all the slogans are absolutely all good and idiotic, harmful to the country if they are used!
          It’s necessary to work .. but don’t strive somewhere ... build Europe here, but don’t wait for the manna from heaven. As for the slogan-Gandu get .. well against Yanuk - and so in the 2015 election. We are waiting for a vote, we act European and not anarchistically. Everything is clear and understandable .. And to bring down the country and ruin it to the ground is a secret campaign and the goal of all who stand there. They do not suspect about it.
          1. georg737577
            georg737577 17 December 2013 20: 17 New
            0
            The Communist Party, which got through in the elections with the slogan "return power to the people" (despite the fact that its leader is a banking oligarch) and forms a majority with bandits from the PR in power, is simply ridiculous. Either do not call yourself communists, or leave at all. They do not need the people and are only interested in before the elections ... Real communists such as Symonenko and Co. "would be put up against the wall.
        2. Cristall
          Cristall 17 December 2013 19: 02 New
          +2
          And where does the Communist Party? heh .. I thought you were wrong. cannot be 90% against the Communist Party. We have a high proportion of pensioners, and there is also a goal that should not prohibit the Communist Party (they may have the most sober slogans and even Bendera’s Tyagnischrayki peak)
          Yes, understand, there isn’t such a thing. The majority is for the EU ... people believe that it’s better there (they themselves didn’t read the conditions), most condemn the actions of those who are bawling and memory of the memory. This is anarchy.
          If there is a choice between Anarchy and Yanyk, then the bandit is preferable to anarchy! In the meantime, all the slogans are absolutely all good and idiotic, harmful to the country if they are used!
          It’s necessary to work .. but don’t strive somewhere ... build Europe here, but don’t wait for the manna from heaven. As for the slogan-Gandu get .. well against Yanuk - and so in the 2015 election. We are waiting for a vote, we act European and not anarchistically. Everything is clear and understandable .. And to bring down the country and ruin it to the ground is a secret campaign and the goal of all who stand there. They do not suspect about it.
        3. Shur
          Shur 17 December 2013 23: 51 New
          0
          Nobody in Russia doubts that the mosk was washed, especially for the young, here in Russia, rather the opposite. It’s youth and that’s why it’s youth ... It is then that the understanding comes that the night has passed .. There will be a new fear, fear that will gradually come, not immediately. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." And you are dissembling, you have no right to speak for 90% of the population ..
          1. georg737577
            georg737577 18 December 2013 01: 04 New
            0
            I am not "dissembling" ... Do not believe me - come to Ukraine yourself, look, talk to people. And we do not need "new fear", thank God - we get rid of the old ...
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 17 December 2013 08: 46 New
    +5
    Maydaunas cannot live normally even using what remains of the USSR.
    Where is it that this maydanutymi something to build. destroy only
    pictured above. mackain was so smart laughing and that person ..ok listens to him so carefully. these are what brains it is necessary to have to listen to the crazy Russophobe
  • Kotlin12
    Kotlin12 17 December 2013 08: 47 New
    -1
    Yes, horror, as they love themselves, and rightly so, under the Soviets, the most prosperous republic, people both worked and worked, and the fleet who is political on the carabule, there are no claims, so the brains of the whole people came out like a boxer, really without all the workers there or have forgotten how to buy - sell steel, and it’s already dangerous to go to the Crimea, it’s a pity, behind the tsunami cordon, and now, people remember us
  • Kotlin12
    Kotlin12 17 December 2013 08: 51 New
    0
    and the author must be thrown to the defense of the Reneey, and then we'll see, eae used to say
  • Kotlin12
    Kotlin12 17 December 2013 08: 53 New
    0
    the author to defend Pereney, and as Ivan the Terrible said, to squeeze clowns at stake, so that they would not carry unrest in the people
  • major071
    major071 17 December 2013 08: 53 New
    +8
    So loyally nobody has ever looked into the mouth of the old ne (R) dun McCain like Klitschko. It remains only on the karachiks around him in the manner of sha (c) ki to jump, begging for a handout. Shame and shame!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 December 2013 09: 14 New
      +7
      Quote: major071
      So loyally nobody has ever looked into the mouth of the old ne (R) dun McCain like Klitschko.


      Klitschko is already a foreigner. Pays taxes in Germany, which means it works out the number.

      the boxer's father Vladimir Klitschko was born in the family of Rodion Petrovich Klitschko and Tamara Efimovna Etinson. He ended his career as a military attache of Ukraine in Germany with the rank of major general.

      And the son surrendered to the Germans. Or maybe because the newspaper Lechim says, No. 12, December 2003. - In German they have a “speaking” surname: Klitsch means “strike”,
  • morpogr
    morpogr 17 December 2013 08: 55 New
    +2
    Why do the gang of the Holodtrans and Zapadentsev consider themselves exceptional and speak on the Maidan on behalf of all Ukraine. Not otherwise, they picked up the American infection. In the photo, Mackain apparently wants to voice how much he will have Klitschko and Ukraine and is ready to voice the amount and judging by Klitschko’s face, he already agrees.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 December 2013 12: 02 New
      0
      Quote: morpogr
      Why a gang of Holodtrans and Zapadentsev consider themselves exceptional and speak on the Maidan on behalf of all Ukraine

      Maybe because it will be easier for those who are close-minded in the structure of future power to control those who started all this bedlam?
  • individual
    individual 17 December 2013 08: 57 New
    +9
    The new Chancellor Fuhrer rules the ball in Europe.
    If before people were divided by race, arias - everything, the rest were gas chambers. Now the division is based on sexual orientation.
    Biblical family and family values ​​oppress new barbarians.
    There is no boy, girl, black and white, all are rainbow-tolerant.
    Their motto is man is not a creator but an instrument for satisfying lust.
    The squiggles of European politics are being straightened out again and again by Russia.
    And again the words should sound:
    "Our cause is just - victory will be ours!
  • La-5
    La-5 17 December 2013 08: 59 New
    +3
    Schröder realized Hitler’s dreams and continues to realize Merkel, then and now everything is done under the auspices of the United States.
  • Normman
    Normman 17 December 2013 09: 13 New
    +6
    Competent and interesting analysis of events. That's just not all aspects are affected. On the information front, for example, there is practically nothing to oppose the Russians in Ukraine (not in Ukraine). All weapons in the hands of the enemy. On the financial and economic front is also empty. Where is the headquarters, where are the tactical org. structures where strategic? What is the plan? Is he at all? You (up there), at least give a clear signal to your friends and strangers. We have all the means at our disposal, in case of development of events according to such unfavorable scenarios, we will act decisively, we will warn aggressively-minded people from rash steps. This will give hope to people inside Ukraine, show that they are needed, they will fight for them. It's time to demonstrate political will, if any.
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 17 December 2013 11: 41 New
      +3
      Political will said that we are neutral and will take any decision by the Ukrainian authorities)))))

      In fact, everything is more complicated. In the Russian Federation, its enemies in power are full. And who, as a result, pursues politics, both external and internal, and what kind of struggle is going on above and whether it is going on at all, and if it is, then who is fighting with whom and for what, we can only guess ...
      1. Normman
        Normman 17 December 2013 12: 17 New
        +1
        It’s not very fun to understand that the front passes inside Russian civilization, according to the living. Both in our souls and in our minds. The enemy is organized, armed, has good financial support, ideological motivation, and owns advanced methods of struggle. And we can only guess ..
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 December 2013 09: 17 New
    +8
    Anyway, at the moment, in order to at least decide something, you need to address directly not even to the Ukrainian leaders, and even more so not to the European ones, these are all sixes, even all these State Department mongrels and McCains who have come into large numbers in Ukraine do not decide anything, they bark because that they were so "told by the owner" that they should contact either Frankfurt or immediately directly to the directors of this performance, who are sitting in the Wall Street area, because all these manipulations are directed against Russia, they don’t need this beggar, but proud Ukraine, there are a lot of them and their rogues, and did not Ukraine already carry out any commands from Europe, it is already a European satellite, unless until now when the command to "jump" came from Europe, the "independent" Ukrainian leaders did not ask "to what height "? That Kuchma, Yushchenko or Yanukovych are" independent "? So all this is just a way to harm Russia in one way or another by creating a" Yugoslavia "on its border, whose defeated, embittered and impoverished fragments are now sitting with outstretched hands in the" back yard. " Europe, is this a dream of Ukrainians? Or maybe they think that having "become related" and "integrated" into the EU, good uncles will come and decide everything, everyone will blame and fulfill any desire? Most likely, uncles will appear, yes, but not at all kind , they will open any doors with their feet, and will no longer stand on ceremony, they will take what they want and do what they want, and the people will all wait for a "savior".
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 17 December 2013 10: 28 New
      -3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      and the people will all be waiting for a "savior".

      Well, to hell with him with such a people
      1. SSR
        SSR 17 December 2013 21: 59 New
        +1
        Sorry third minus mine. Personally for me, Russia begins with Kiev and that means relatives there. But.....
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 17 December 2013 22: 59 New
          0
          Yes, I am also hot there. just so tired. evil is no longer enough. revolution is not revolution. x y knows what.
  • saag
    saag 17 December 2013 09: 20 New
    +6
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    No appeal ... So why all of a sudden Russia should?

    There is such a concept of "strategic interests", so Russia has a strategic interest in having a calm predictable neighbor of a non-Western orientation at its side, because otherwise problems from the outside will move inside the country
  • wulf66
    wulf66 17 December 2013 09: 20 New
    0
    I suggest a fight!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 09: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: wulf66
      I suggest a fight!

      One on one with Klitschko what -Yes easy, but I have a gun wink
      1. SSR
        SSR 17 December 2013 22: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: wulf66
        I suggest a fight!

        One on one with Klitschko what -Yes easy, but I have a gun wink

        Yes, you don’t need an automatic machine, a wrestler or a person who knows the technique of kicking will kill any boxer if I lie, boxers would steer in fights without rules)))) Emelianeko vs Fait sisters! ))))) with our Emelyanenko! ))))
    2. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 13: 11 New
      0
      Quote: wulf66
      I suggest a fight!

      It seems that you can not do without a fight. what Or in Ukraine there will be eternal turmoil, or until Galychansk abscess is amputated. am
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 17 December 2013 09: 25 New
    +4
    You can not allow Russia to combine the wreckage of a single whole. No wonder the German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck is credited with the phrase: “The power of Russia can only be undermined by separating Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, to pit two parts of a single people and watch how a brother will kill his brother.
    The Western world sensed the possibility of a final break in the centuries-old unity of the Slavs. Small aliens from Galicia assiduously assent to them, trying to earn their political pennies. Due to the inaction of the current state authorities, after Yushchenko’s unbridled anti-Russian policy, the bastards felt impunity. The fifth column was fed by Yushchenko.
    It is necessary to pursue the same aggressive policy on the Russian side, financing the "anti-Euromaidan". And do it openly, without embarrassing anyone. Drive vzashey all zaslanets, such as McCains !!!
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 17 December 2013 11: 15 New
      +2
      The idea is good, only who will execute?
      We’re crap ... but we’re not able to rake ...
    2. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 13: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: x.andvlad
      It is necessary to pursue the same aggressive policy on the Russian side, financing the "anti-Euromaidan". And do it openly, without embarrassing anyone. Drive vzashey all zaslanets, such as McCains !!!

      Keep! good
      In Ukraine, the most pro-Russian forces are the KPU and the PSPU. The rest are just as pro-Russian as McCain. laughing Alas, there is no one else.
      Yanukovych and his oligarchic thieves' PR "floated" to the top in the elections only thanks to the pro-Russian rhetoric. Many people in the East and South believed their promises fool , for which they are now paying impoverishment and Maidan.
      We need a pro-Russian leader and need his all-round support, in spite of the viper hiss of the “partners”. Or at least the support of existing adequate politicians, regardless of their political orientation.
      I think it is better for Russia to have a second Bolorussia close by than a second Chechnya. hi
  • Garik
    Garik 17 December 2013 09: 29 New
    +4
    Madmen + money - a dangerous combination ...
  • King
    King 17 December 2013 09: 31 New
    +9
    I never respected Klitschko as a boxer (his rotten fighting style) nor as a politician. I think that a person who starred for a gay magazine cannot be a worthy politician.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 17 December 2013 14: 28 New
      0
      Quote: King
      I never respected Klitschko as a boxer (his rotten fighting style) nor as a politician.


      ++I would even say dirty, with a trick (remember the fight with Povetkin), and in politics it’s not to be with his poor wit and gibberish drinks
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 17 December 2013 15: 12 New
        0
        That you are right solid clinch! Very disappointed in the fight! Oh, Sashka can’t take your belt from Klitschko! But you can take the belt from others, by the way, who are the applicants for the belt enlighten winked
    2. alone
      alone 17 December 2013 20: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: King
      I never respected Klitschko as a boxer (his rotten fighting style) nor as a politician. I think that a person who starred for a gay magazine cannot be a worthy politician.


      But how do you feel about Zhirinovsky as a politician? True, he didn’t appear in magazines, but he visited gay clubs and sat in an embrace with them)), but that doesn’t stop him from being deputy chairman of the State Duma
  • Energet1k_
    Energet1k_ 17 December 2013 09: 59 New
    +6
    The word is the most powerful modern "weapon". We need to revive ideology, we need to eradicate Russophobia, no matter how silly it sounds, from the Russians themselves! But for this ideology, a reinforced concrete foundation is needed, based primarily on our culture, a community of essentially a single people. Write books, make films, TV shows, etc. and so on, well, in general, beat the "West" with their own weapons!
    1. Normman
      Normman 17 December 2013 11: 05 New
      +2
      Have you noticed that in EVERY film that comes out on federal TV channels and somehow touches on a historical theme, our past is trampled into the mud, they divide us into "red" and "white", into "new" and "old", rich and poor for it is said - divide and rule! From the late Soviet times to the Thaw. Give examples yourself. A film must have a clear "negative motive" to receive funding. The question is - who and to whom will give money for filming, rent, provide air on TV for patriotic films, if Russians in particular and indigenous peoples are not masters in their country at all?
  • fantast
    fantast 17 December 2013 10: 11 New
    14
    As a cleaning lady drove maydaunov!
    1. Order
      Order 17 December 2013 12: 46 New
      +1
      Exactly ... remembered. This is a video where the grandmother "comes off" on bears. But I admit .... fun.
  • Jack122
    Jack122 17 December 2013 10: 13 New
    +7
    For the West, Ukraine is a suitcase without a handle: it is difficult to drag, but if not, Russia will pick it up. Therefore, the suitcase will be dragged into the house and thrown in the corner to gather dust. I can already imagine how the EU's attitude to Ukraine will change in 5-10 years and we will hear the classic: "Ukraine was not ready", "It was a mistake", and some British politician will disparagingly speak of migrants from Ukraine and state that they not a place in Britain, but first they will drink blood from Ukraine. Ukrainians in pink glasses will not dance and rejoice for long: they will be torn away from Russia by any means and will promise all the best, and then what ...
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 17 December 2013 14: 28 New
      +2
      It would have happened, but Yanukovych decided to play. Now, as we can see, there are promises to split the country, and maybe to a civil war. And the West never misses such an opportunity, especially since in other regions (the Middle East) "it becomes boring."
      Anyway, it seems that the main goal is not the association of Ukraine with the EU, but its destruction. And any actions of the Russian Federation will be used only against Ukraine as a whole and sovereign state. Russia, in my opinion, lost the initiative.
  • major071
    major071 17 December 2013 10: 13 New
    10
    King (1)
    I never respected Klitschko as a boxer (his rotten fighting style) nor as a politician. I think that a person who starred for a gay magazine cannot be a worthy politician.

    So that's what the bet is made on. In the geyropa, half of the politicians are 3,14dorases, so he is there for his channel.
  • jjj
    jjj 17 December 2013 10: 19 New
    +2
    Vladimir Vladimirovich called these events a false start. And he, as you know, just does not say anything. All previously built plans are violated. Confusion and confusion instead of decisive coordinated actions in the camp of the opposition. The results of the current Maidan should affect the election of the fifteenth year. But European integrators, unlike the Bolsheviks, will not be able to raise power
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 17 December 2013 10: 20 New
    +3
    Today you will run away from Ukraine, tomorrow the enemy will squeeze us out of Stavropol, Pskov, Karelia, Kazan region, the Far East and Siberia. You can’t run, it’s a defeat, an outcome.

    Keep soldier
    This is a gift to Washington and London: the Russians will kill the Russians who have forgotten that they are Russians! .. We know that the Russians are fighting very well, and in history more than once we fought with each other, and with particular fierceness. This is a scary scenario.

    In this regard, we are like the Germans, they are like us. The Germanic peoples have always been good warriors (probably since our days this is no longer quite the case) in the entire history of the existence of their microstates and principalities, they fought best of all with each other, as their history clearly shows. The “iron” Otto somehow managed to unite them around Prussia, and even then without Austria.
  • leks
    leks 17 December 2013 10: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: Sid.74
    But what is interesting on our dearly beloved schizophrenic, Makeyushka, was attacked by American Jews for meeting with Tyagnibok laughing
    Republican senator John McCain during his visit to Kiev closely communicated with the leader of the nationalist party Svoboda, one of the leaders of the Ukrainian opposition, Oleg Tyagnibok. They even stood on the same stage, speaking on Independence before the supporters of European integration.

    This fact caused outrage in Jewish organizations in the USA and Israel.

    - McCain made a miscalculation. He clearly had no idea who he was on the same stage. If he knew what constitutes a Thing, then this is much more serious. This shows how indiscriminate American politicians are, ”Ephraim Zuroff, head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center for Jerusalem’s office, told Izvestia.

    According to Zuroff, the list of the ten most sinister anti-Semites of the world for 2012 year, compiled by the Wiesenthal Center, headquartered in Los Angeles, according to Zuroff. He was transferred to the US State Department with a recommendation to make them among the persons whose presence in the States is undesirable.

    According to the document at the disposal of Izvestiya, Tyagnibok and Miroshnichenko are on the fifth place in the list - after the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, the Iranian regime, Brazilian cartoonist Carlos Latuff and the football fans of the anti-Semites of the British club Tottenham.

    The burden is included in this list for appeals to repressions against Jews and other minorities living in Ukraine, and for his demand to liberate the country from the "Jewish Jewish Mafia." And Miroshnichenko is for insulting American actress of Ukrainian origin, Mila Kunis, whom he called “a Jew.”

    In addition, in May 2010, Oleg Tyagnibok received the “Golden Cross” in Canada from the hands of the veterans of the SS division “Galicia”. Former SS men, who prefer to call themselves “veterans of the First Ukrainian Division of the Ukrainian National Army,” presented him with an award “for services to Ukraine”.

    Read further: http://izvestia.ru/news/562661#ixzz2ni6NzxHT

    This McCain generally understands little, he came to Ukraine only to show the Russians who is the boss, he is a Russophobe like he’s crazy, he’s crying, he won’t wait until he throws himself out the window shouting Russian tanks are coming to Washington lol
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 17 December 2013 13: 01 New
      +4
      Uncle McCain doesn’t need to go to a mental hospital because this fairy-tale dalb @% b with his brain that has been completely broken, brings so many pleasant emotions to all citizens of the Russian Federation!

      With this idiotic policy, this senator will surpass any Westerwel and thereby open the eyes of even the most stubborn European integrators! So there is simply no better character to discredit the policy of the West!
      So I wish Makeyushka to the Nazi anti-Semite cannibal and just a friend of alkaidy new political achievements !!! am
  • 020205
    020205 17 December 2013 10: 26 New
    -3
    Why did she give up this Ukraine, who are their relatives to me to worry about them? A simple Russian from Ukraine doesn’t see anything good, but this same Russian is generously pouring shit from the Ukrainian, then there are veterans being beaten, then the Nazis are marching, and we they have loans and gas, look lads, everything is important for you that you would smile you are brothers to us !!! only now they have already put big and thick on this fraternity, here people shout (and not only here), monolithic Russia, etc. e, only here for this same Slavic brotherhood only Russians survive, there are no Russians in Ukraine for a long time, there are Ukrainians whether we want this or not, but this is a fact and Maidan is a vivid confirmation of this, compare the thousands of Euro Maidan in Kiev and the protest rallies in Sevastopol that came from force one and a half hundred people, these one and a half hundred are the few Russians left in Ukraine, the rest has been driven into the head for more than a year that they are not brothers to us, and they have already come up with folk heroes for themselves. e will turn from them, as my friend says there are three sisters Russia, Belarus, Ukraine so here is the last of them slut
    1. wk-083
      wk-083 17 December 2013 11: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: 020205
      Sevastopol to which one and a half hundred people came from strength, these one and a half hundred are those not many Russians left in Ukraine,

      There are many Russians in Ukraine, but they do not have their own leader; there is essentially no one to raise Russians. I am surprised by those Russians who stand on anti-Maidan and defend the betraying them, Yanukovych and Azarov.
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 17 December 2013 15: 25 New
        -1
        They go for the same money as those who stand on the Maidan.
    2. Tamparu
      Tamparu 17 December 2013 15: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: 020205
      Why did she give up this Ukraine, who are their relatives to me to worry about them? A simple Russian from Ukraine doesn’t see anything good, but this same Russian is generously pouring shit from the Ukrainian, then there are veterans being beaten, then the Nazis are marching, and we they have loans and gas, look lads, everything is important for you that you would smile you are brothers to us !!! only now they have already put big and thick on this fraternity, here people shout (and not only here), monolithic Russia, etc. e, only here for this same Slavic brotherhood only Russians survive, there are no Russians in Ukraine for a long time, there are Ukrainians whether we want this or not, but this is a fact and Maidan is a vivid confirmation of this, compare the thousands of Euro Maidan in Kiev and the protest rallies in Sevastopol that came from force one and a half hundred people, these one and a half hundred are the few Russians left in Ukraine, the rest has been driven into the head for more than a year that they are not brothers to us, and they have already come up with folk heroes for themselves. e will turn from them, as my friend says there are three sisters Russia, Belarus, Ukraine so here is the last of them slut


      If you do not have relatives in Ukraine, this does not mean that "let the shed burn and the hut"! There are a lot of Russians living in Russia who have something that connects him with Ukraine (relatives, service, work ... life is shorter). In addition, there are indeed many Russians who do not really have a leader. And VVP constantly bets on a young lady with a scythe, who bred all and sundry, then on a gop-stop ... As a result ... everyone smokes on the sidelines, and pin *** walks through the central squares of Kiev until now ...
      Here are such references, friends ...
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    4. Cristall
      Cristall 17 December 2013 21: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: 020205
      A simple Russian from Ukraine does not see anything good, but this same Russian is generously pouring shit from the Ukrainian

      Fools .. because the little part is bawling you pull on everyone. Have you heard such words from me personally? And I have never heard phrases from my friends and in the city in general - a Russian (better stupidly Russian) Russian owes us something. There is no such.
      Quote: 020205
      then the veterans are beaten, then the Nazis go in formation,

      the same area (more precisely 2) the same people .. you again pull on everyone.
      Quote: 020205
      and we give them loans and gas

      not to us, but to specific people from the government, not you personally, but such specific people.
      Quote: 020205
      There are no Russians in Ukraine for a long time,

      my future wife is from the Tver region, and there are plenty of such relatives whose wives are toiling across the border.

      Quote: 020205
      thousands euromaidan in Kiev and protests in Sevastopol

      In fact, the crowd of thousands was mainly not for the EU / CU, but specifically against Yanyk. Another thing is that it was illuminated as Euromaidan in order to give significance to the event organized by the Evil Three of Bendera. They themselves do not attract anyone. Only with massive slogans and hiding behind them.
      A protest rally in Sevastopol came out and was monolithic. Do we need to come to Sevastopol? We work, we have no time to go. And the summer is far away.
      Quote: 020205
      the rest has been driven into the head for more than a year that they’re not brothers of any kind to us, and they’ve already come up with a story of folk heroes

      drive in to whom? I personally couldn’t drive anyone in and I see a false story. Yes, the fact of the matter is that the lie doesn’t seduce anyone. Heroes again invented themselves in 2 specific areas and there they are revered. And here, on the contrary, monuments to Lenin are being restored ... In general, you are poorly informed.
      Quote: 020205
      my friend says there are three sisters Russia, Belarus, Ukraine so here is the last of them slut

      I do not agree. insulting and extremely deceitful. Such words have no place in communication.
      1. SSR
        SSR 17 December 2013 22: 09 New
        0
        Thank you once again.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 December 2013 10: 27 New
    +6
    You can get out of the Mind, well, politicians in Ukraine, a boxer, a rabbit and a fascist, it’s better to put up with a dumb one. This is how much it is necessary to be politically unprepared and corrupt without the past and the future that would go to this fucking evropeushatnik
  • Axel
    Axel 17 December 2013 10: 46 New
    -18 qualifying.
    The party of fish brought homeless people from downbass, there are simply no words, see Downeysky electorate
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 11: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Axel
      The party of fish brought homeless people from downbass, there are simply no words, see Downeysky electorate

      Geimaidan electorate wassat
    2. asin
      asin 17 December 2013 16: 12 New
      0
      100%. Julia is to blame for them. And the fact that this Downey gang for 3 years in power has depleted gold and foreign exchange reserves from 34 to 18 billion dollars, and the total debt of Ukraine has grown from 110 billion UAH. to 300. And for these most progressive and hard-working residents of Daunbas, Julia is all to blame.
  • 020205
    020205 17 December 2013 10: 48 New
    +1
    http://dosye.com.ua/articles/2008-03-13/golaja-pravda-pro-bratev-klichko/12759/н
    I don’t know whether the link turned out about how two of the casket in the magazine for gays were shot
    1. georg737577
      georg737577 17 December 2013 20: 33 New
      -2
      It’s impressive, but Yanukovych is far from all criminal authorities ... But he didn’t even start with boxing - with hats on the street. And now Putin is shaking his hand. Maybe they’ll soon be filming a magazine together.
      1. SSR
        SSR 17 December 2013 22: 12 New
        0
        Gig How are you? Yushchenko whose henpecked? Nicknames whose citizenship have? Yanukovych is your president and ours is ours - our duty is to shake hands for politics
  • Axel
    Axel 17 December 2013 10: 55 New
    -19 qualifying.
    Welcome to the Customs Union: hunger riots began in the Southern Urals.
    Presumably, according to the plan of the Ukrainian government, these thousands of laid-off people from impoverished cities will buy Ukrainian goods and save the Ukrainian economy? Or, perhaps, in the Russian Federation they specifically close their factories in order to load Ukrainian ones with orders? Ahahaha! I wonder if anyone in Ukraine, except Medvedchuk, Azarov and Symonenko, understands that Russia is pulling us into its pocket Customs Union not to "help the Ukrainians", but to pull out its own sinking economy by increasing the market for its own non-competitive goods. They do not want to save us, but at our expense they want to save themselves. That is why they blackmail, press, beg "
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 17 December 2013 11: 04 New
      +3
      But doesn’t the EU want to improve its economy at your expense? Do you think they don’t sleep at night in the EU, but everyone thinks how to help the Ukrainian economy?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 12: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Standard Oil
        You think the EU doesn’t sleep at night,

        Yes, he does not think anything, this is from Ukrainian Sait, Russia is there on the verge of economic collapse. There is no censor-Ukrainian Geimaidan Sait.
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    3. Mower
      Mower 17 December 2013 11: 07 New
      +5
      REN TV is pumping up not worth it ..... but where are the hungry ones? The drop in demand for metal, however.
      1. morpex
        morpex 17 December 2013 12: 33 New
        0
        Quote: CASTLE
        A drop in demand for metal however.

        Guys, I'll post a link below about the richest region of Russia and how it lives. You are smart and educated people. Do not get me wrong. This is not to reproach or prick you. It just seems to me that you have enough problems even without the poor Ukraine .And your Putin is ready to throw out the billions that will go into the bottomless pockets of our thieves under power. Your power is practically no different in its methods of government from ours. Logically, one thief helps out another. The question is, why do I need an alliance of two mafias? Maybe first, let's put things in order in each scrap? What would they not reproach me, I say in advance also against an alliance with Europe ..
        [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_embedded & v = c305xNG7evI
        ]
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        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 17 December 2013 13: 05 New
          0
          Quote: morpex
          The question is, why do I need a union of two mafia?


          you don’t directly know how to argue.
          so, where is she (the mafia) not? so give you the dough and you climb into the mafia.
          Although you are rich, you are still a twig! You’ll have to climb into the broom if you don’t want to be robbed! And in the EU, the mafia!
          let's say - who wins the lotto? correctly! = who is banking. And who in the EU is banking? right - Germany, etc.

          It's like a pyramid scheme! The EU dropped and "made them beautiful" (they made an advertisement) and now ..... newcomers, lay out and pay!

          http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c305xNG7evI = ссылка не работает (у меня)
    4. fzr1000
      fzr1000 17 December 2013 12: 34 New
      +1
      Uncle, go eat English cookies on the Maidan, how to solve a problem without you.
    5. Atlas
      Atlas 17 December 2013 12: 36 New
      0
      Well, you’re right such a powerful economy that will drag the whole customs union)))))
      Just like Germany for Europe ..
    6. Petrix
      Petrix 17 December 2013 15: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Axel
      Russia is pulling us into its pocket-sized Customs Union not in order to "help the Ukrainians", but in order to pull out its own sinking economy by increasing the market for its own non-competitive goods.

      You have mixed the words Russia and Customs with Europe and European.

      Have you read The Second Face of Europe?
      http://topwar.ru/37358-vtoroe-lico-evropy.html
    7. genzik161
      genzik161 17 December 2013 21: 41 New
      0
      HAHAHAHAHAAH well, you've seen enough of the blockbuster campaign
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 17 December 2013 10: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    Yes, what is happening in Ukraine is a template for the orange revolutions.
    The tops cannot.
    Bottoms do not want.
    But the way to change power — bloodless — is the color revolution.
    And informational influence from the outside is a color revolution.
    And the support of the power that displaces power, the belief in its democracy, truthfulness, nationality — in fact, legitimacy — this is a color revolution.
    Another thing is that Europe didn’t want this — it’s possible, for it would be dangerous to open the border for people whose state has collapsed (and it will fall apart if a regime change occurs).
    The question is how much Europe wants such a Ukraine.

    The West does not so much need Ukraine as an independent state, but the collapse of Russia by any means, at least its weakening, by any actions. From Ukraine, Geyropa will be dumped in every sense.
  • SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 17 December 2013 10: 56 New
    +6
    Well, what can I say, everything is visible with the naked eye, arrogant penetration into the internal affairs of Ukraine, and again the same people as in 2004. The 3rd Reich’s revival begins in the 4th, Merkel was conceived from a test tube of Adolf Hitler’s sperm, all those who donkey and shy from justice after the 2nd World War, now their descendants rule the state, influence large world banks, create different Ukrainian banks there diasporas, German scientists of the Third Reich work for the United States, they are all forgiven. Western strategists and capitalists need Ukraine primarily as a raw materials appendage, but basically Russia’s fear that it will revive the USSR, and in Ukraine it’s all clear that the opposition became that and it was a puppet of the West and carried out their plans for overthrowing the government they didn’t like. It is necessary to deal with this arrogant aggression by their own methods only in the Soviet style, otherwise it is impossible, the sniper decides everything.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 17 December 2013 12: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: SHEKSPIR
      Merkel was conceived from a test tube sperm Adolf Hitler

      That's a bastard! I couldn’t just shoot myself ... I did it before death ...
      1. SHAKESPEARE
        SHAKESPEARE 17 December 2013 12: 23 New
        +1
        http://sharpnews.ru/news/3284/doch_gitlera_segodnja_otkryto_rulit_vsejj_germanie
        jj / detail
        1. SHAKESPEARE
          SHAKESPEARE 17 December 2013 12: 26 New
          0
          Follow this link and who are interested.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 17 December 2013 12: 46 New
            0
            Nonsense. Why did the KGB need a "new" Hitler?
          2. Atlas
            Atlas 17 December 2013 12: 50 New
            +1
            read less crap
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2013 12: 38 New
      0
      Quote: SHEKSPIR
      Merkel was conceived from a test tube sperm Adolf Hitler

      Interesting, and from whose test tube the others conceived laughing
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 17 December 2013 11: 02 New
    +3
    I’m just scared for us, for the Slav brothers, for our children and grandchildren, for Russia ...
    1. Mower
      Mower 17 December 2013 11: 15 New
      +1
      Do not be afraid .... Shiban Topol if cho .... and at least do not dawn laughing
  • Mower
    Mower 17 December 2013 11: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: leks
    Quote: Sid.74
    But what is interesting on our dearly beloved schizophrenic, Makeyushka, was attacked by American Jews for meeting with Tyagnibok laughing
    Republican senator John McCain during his visit to Kiev closely communicated with the leader of the nationalist party Svoboda, one of the leaders of the Ukrainian opposition, Oleg Tyagnibok. They even stood on the same stage, speaking on Independence before the supporters of European integration.

    This fact caused outrage in Jewish organizations in the USA and Israel.

    - McCain made a miscalculation. He clearly had no idea who he was on the same stage. If he knew what constitutes a Thing, then this is much more serious. This shows how indiscriminate American politicians are, ”Ephraim Zuroff, head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center for Jerusalem’s office, told Izvestia.

    According to Zuroff, the list of the ten most sinister anti-Semites of the world for 2012 year, compiled by the Wiesenthal Center, headquartered in Los Angeles, according to Zuroff. He was transferred to the US State Department with a recommendation to make them among the persons whose presence in the States is undesirable.

    According to the document at the disposal of Izvestiya, Tyagnibok and Miroshnichenko are on the fifth place in the list - after the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, the Iranian regime, Brazilian cartoonist Carlos Latuff and the football fans of the anti-Semites of the British club Tottenham.

    The burden is included in this list for appeals to repressions against Jews and other minorities living in Ukraine, and for his demand to liberate the country from the "Jewish Jewish Mafia." And Miroshnichenko is for insulting American actress of Ukrainian origin, Mila Kunis, whom he called “a Jew.”

    In addition, in May 2010, Oleg Tyagnibok received the “Golden Cross” in Canada from the hands of the veterans of the SS division “Galicia”. Former SS men, who prefer to call themselves “veterans of the First Ukrainian Division of the Ukrainian National Army,” presented him with an award “for services to Ukraine”.

    Read further: http://izvestia.ru/news/562661#ixzz2ni6NzxHT

    This McCain generally understands little, he came to Ukraine only to show the Russians who is the boss, he is a Russophobe like he’s crazy, he’s crying, he won’t wait until he throws himself out the window shouting Russian tanks are coming to Washington lol

    Yeah .... considering that Olezhka’s grandfather’s name was Longin Tsegelsky (purely Ukrainian), and the consultants at Mack Kane’s Kagan brothers ..... they confuse the tracks bully
  • Goodmen
    Goodmen 17 December 2013 11: 13 New
    +4
    "... In addition, in recent years, the authorities have been destroying Russian and pro-Russian organizational (trade union, social, ethnocultural) structures. Literally everything was done so that the people were not ready to repel external and internal aggression. As a result, it was easy to express the opinion of the majority of the people. No one. But this is a temporary phenomenon. With the further development of the situation, the emergence of real people's leaders is inevitable. ... "

    Something painfully familiar ...))) judging by the foregoing, the leaders should appear in the Russian Federation. The main thing is that it would not be too late ...
  • godun
    godun 17 December 2013 11: 19 New
    +5
    Recently I talked with one lad from Ukraine and, in my opinion, he expressed himself quite logically: "why should we go to Russia, if you have the same as ours, also thieves in power and at the feeders, who absolutely do not care about their own people. If in Russia the authorities did for the people and were for the people, why then, we need that Europe, and so from one shit to another. And we climb into Europe with hope, and suddenly it becomes better ... "
    1. Mower
      Mower 17 December 2013 11: 40 New
      +2
      and in Geyroppa you can’t get thieves, do you? Or can you fill in the memory gaps with Yandex? And why did we find coke in all toilets in the State Duma?
    2. asin
      asin 17 December 2013 16: 15 New
      +1
      100% support, at least one objective view from Russian readers.
    3. skullcap
      skullcap 17 December 2013 21: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: godun
      . And we climb to Europe with hope, and suddenly it will be better

      And what did he, a European dreamer, come to earn in dark Russia, and not in brilliant Paris or London?
      I suspect that they do not let such a Kalashny series. So after the association will not let. Anyway, he will come to us, and even pick up some Geo-European d-rum to speculate. And such - up to 5 million
    4. skullcap
      skullcap 17 December 2013 21: 51 New
      0
      Quote: godun
      . And we climb to Europe with hope, and suddenly it will be better

      And what did he, a European dreamer, come to earn in dark Russia, and not in brilliant Paris or London?
      I suspect that they do not let such a Kalashny series. So after the association will not let. Anyway, he will come to us, and even pick up some Geo-European d-rum to speculate. And such - up to 5 million
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 17 December 2013 11: 59 New
    +2
    Under these conditions, the population of southeastern Ukraine needs "elders", a real elite, ready to defend the interests of Russians, the idea of ​​restoring "Great Russia".

    Yes, Yanek promised and did not. Betrayed the Russian son of a bitch. Someone leads him, the question is who?
    1. 222222
      222222 17 December 2013 15: 20 New
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      shpuntik RU Today, 11:59 AM
      And the wise Chinese act like this ... "China will not allow Western media to form public opinion in the country, especially if journalists use" unconfirmed information of an odious nature. "Such a statement was posted on December 17 on the pages of one of the central government newspapers of the PRC, Huanqiu Shibao "." The issue of information security in the PRC is one of the key aspects in the structure of national security, "the article notes. China does not accept external interference in the country's internal problems, the solution of which, according to the publication, proceeds" by its own rhythm "and is conducted" by its own methods. ".
      http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/86220/
      ... in Ukraine it is completely different .. Even the President gives interviews to the "Ukrainian" media, and these media are always represented by foreign zaslants Shuster, Kiselyov and Kulikov .. You cannot imagine a funnier situation ..
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 17 December 2013 18: 07 New
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        222222 UA Today, 15:20 ↑
        ... in Ukraine it is completely different .. Even the President gives interviews to the "Ukrainian" media, and these media are always represented by foreign zaslants Shuster, Kiselyov and Kulikov .. You cannot imagine a funnier situation ..

        So yes, but they left us, we also stopped loving them. The second point: they are in Russia, within the borders of 1914, that is, as at home, below the Pale of Settlement. Paradox?
        PS China does not have much time left, the Rothschild investments will do their job.
  • malikszh
    malikszh 17 December 2013 12: 15 New
    +1
    Why doesn’t the Crimea separate? It must be set if Ukraine and Europe are independent.
  • serge
    serge 17 December 2013 12: 22 New
    +5
    - Mykola, and sho tse "associated membership"?
    - Well, godmother, Ukraine will participate in the EU.
    - So, it will enter the EU?
    “No, he won’t enter, but he will participate.”
    - Yak so?
    - Well, roughly, like eggs during sexual intercourse: they participate, but they do not enter. And so, hanging around.
  • klavyr
    klavyr 17 December 2013 12: 35 New
    +1
    This is how much it is necessary to be politically unprepared and corrupt without the past and the future that would go to this fucking evropeushatnik
    are the consequences of propaganda through the media. There is a very interesting Ukrainian TV show "Heads and Tails" - here it is part of this propaganda, which can be seen on Russian TV.
  • USNik
    USNik 17 December 2013 12: 41 New
    +8
    In the photograph in the title of the article Kli4mo, the elder says to the Downed Pilot (this is not a banter, he really blurted it out):
    Last night, goosebumps ran on my Maidan when I stood on the podium near the 77-year-old US Senator John McCain and heard how America supports the fight of protesters
    Congratulations to Vitalik on a new sexually transmitted disease sexually transmitted!
    And here are some more pearls from a boxing speaker (I think even Chernomyrdin couldn’t wrap it like that):
    And today, not everyone can see tomorrow, or rather, not everyone can only see everything tomorrow, but few can see tomorrow, because today is still today, but actually tomorrow everyone will see everything. And that’s not all ...
    fool
    1. SSR
      SSR 17 December 2013 22: 16 New
      +1
      Aaaaaaa thanks! Kli4mo! In the memo !!!! Class!
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 17 December 2013 12: 47 New
    +1
    People are really tired of modern politics. The media and the opposition sing (lie) in unison, and at least people in Ukraine are not told the truth.
    And so the question is, do politicians from the EU and the United States come to the Maidan, guys, organize the visits of Russian officials to enterprises there or what thread forums dedicated to the CU in the south-east of Ukraine, at least at the regional level, I wouldn’t interfere with the referendum, I don’t see work and cooperation on coordinating Ukraine’s accession to the CU, we need to move in this direction, and then think about how to prevent the collapse of Ukraine, that the EU will try to initialize with the help of the Galitsa, they want to go to Europe, but they asked us?
    I would be happy to freeze on the Maidan dedicated to joining the TS, today I’ll go find out whether people are picking us or not, I’ll unsubscribe by the result
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 17 December 2013 12: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Axel
    Russia is pulling us into its pocket-sized Customs Union not to "help the Ukrainians", but to pull out its own sinking economy by increasing the market for its own non-competitive goods. They do not want to save us, but at our expense they want to save themselves. That is why they blackmail, press, beg "


    You say nonsense, dear! At one time, back in the USSR, one could often hear the opinion that Ukraine feeds the entire Soviet Union. So time has shown that Ukraine alone feeds itself with difficulty. In the European Union, Ukraine will drown completely, you will live to see that you will begin to restrict entry to both Bulgarians and Romanians. Your brains are turned off, and you have hung your ears.
    Drive your overseas McCain with a Kiev cake turned on his head! In America, such humor is well understood!
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