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Completed technical project of the engine of the second stage for the fighter T-50

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Completed technical project of the engine of the second stage for the fighter T-50

OJSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association" (UMPO) and its branch OKB im. A. Lyulki completed the technical design of the engine of the second stage for the fifth generation fighter T-50.
The technical design of the promising second-stage engine (PD) for the fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (T-50) was successfully adopted by a commission of customers (the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Sukhoi company). The product project was created in cooperation with the design services of the enterprises of the Engines for Combat Division aviation"led by the branch of OJSC" UMPO "- OKB named after A. Lyulka. Thus, the experimental design work on the product goes to a new level.
The next steps in the creation of the T-50 engine will be the development, manufacture and testing of demonstrators and the presentation of the product to an interdepartmental commission. In particular, the production of experimental gas generators and demonstrators is scheduled to begin in the first half of 2014.
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  1. StolzSS
    StolzSS 17 December 2013 07: 03
    +5
    Well what are they doing! Make it even better!
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 17 December 2013 10: 56
      +1
      Things are moving quickly, the main thing is that officials and politicians do not intervene ...
      1. Egop
        Egop 17 December 2013 12: 07
        -10 qualifying.
        Well, what is this 5th generation if it has an ESR of 0.5 m2?

        The F-22 EPR has 0.0001 m2.

        Consequently, Raptor will be the first to detect it (T-50) and strike ...
        1. Retx
          Retx 17 December 2013 13: 54
          +1
          The results of official measurements in the studio! laughing
          1. Egop
            Egop 17 December 2013 14: 40
            0
            Quote: RETX
            The results of official measurements in the studio! laughing

            Please:
            EPR T-50 according to chief designer the plane of Alexander Davidenko 0.5 m2.
            proof: http://www.inosmi.ru/army/20100313/158588233.html

            Statement by Lockheed Martinpublished in Aviation Week:
            "Company representatives say that the EPR (effective scattering area) of the aircraft was about -40 dBsm." [-40 dBsm = 0.0001 m2] for F-22
            proof: http://www.militaryparitet.com/teletype/data/ic_teletype/4630/
            1. Retx
              Retx 17 December 2013 18: 40
              0
              You do not understand the official measurements, not the words of someone there. For that matter, according to the same Poghosyan (a month ago, and not 2010), the EPR of the T-50 is similar to the F-22.
        2. nikolaxp
          nikolaxp 17 December 2013 21: 21
          0
          And you did not think that the low ESR of f22 is not only because of the airframe, but in combination with a radio-absorbing coating + active interference system. And if the unpainted f22 glider shines, then the EPR can be larger than 0.5 m2.
          If we paint our PAK-FA with radar absorbing paint and install an electronic warfare system, then the EPR will be no worse than the American, in addition to PAK-FA, the detection range of the enemy by TTX is higher than that of F22
          1. nik6006
            nik6006 18 December 2013 21: 58
            0
            Quote: nikolaxp
            And you did not think that the low ESR of f22 is not only because of the airframe, but in combination with a radio-absorbing coating + active interference system. And if the unpainted f22 glider shines, then the EPR can be larger than 0.5 m2.
            If we paint our PAK-FA with radar absorbing paint and install an electronic warfare system, then the EPR will be no worse than the American, in addition to PAK-FA, the detection range of the enemy by TTX is higher than that of F22


            I don’t understand where EPR and where electronic warfare, why? Maybe this is the latest technology, but I don’t even know! There are no words !!! And how do you know the performance characteristics of PAK-FA and F-22 to compare, you can get interested in?
  2. Canep
    Canep 17 December 2013 07: 03
    +6
    As I understand it, a set of drawings is ready for the new engine, nothing is in the hardware. Poorly! I think on planes this engine will appear in 3-4 years.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 17 December 2013 07: 04
      0
      At the very least, but things are moving.
    2. makarov
      makarov 17 December 2013 07: 11
      28
      Not just blueprints, but with detailing, cleanliness, tolerances, materials and alloys used ... this is a huge job. Now it’s all about the small- creating working layouts by nodes, running them in, then assembling, and testing the layout as a whole ... no less tremendous work
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 17 December 2013 09: 45
        +2
        Thanks for the clarification. In theory, the author of the article should have clarified all this. Not all readers are aware of how the development stages differ in the nuances.
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 17 December 2013 11: 07
        +2
        makarov UA
        Not just drawings, but with detailing, cleanliness, tolerances, used materials and alloys ...


        And what other drawings could there be? General view of the engine or what?
        It remains to begin, but to end.
        As I understand it, the engine blueprints have not even passed the technological stage of processing for manufacturing at the factory, the technological process is not ready, the equipment for manufacturing engine parts is not ready, there are no ready-made individual units, there is not even a prototype of the engine, etc. etc.
        1. makarov
          makarov 17 December 2013 12: 07
          +2
          SW VladimirZ. Are you kidding in your comment?
          Do you not know that any detail of the drawing, including the use of any connections, require EXACT MATHEMATICAL AND PHYSICAL CALCULATION. It is not enough to draw a detail, it must be CALCULATED, and moreover, with the safety factor specified in the terms of reference.
          It's not for you to get a "goat" out of your nose ....
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 17 December 2013 15: 58
            +1
            makarov UA
            It's not for you to get a "goat" out of your nose ....


            This is a design work, which naturally includes calculation, choice of material, and detailed detailing. This is a difficult "goat", but this is the first stage.
            And then no less complicated, launching into production, making a prototype. And that he will go is not a fact. So, everything is ahead, the development of design documentation is not yet a "product". Let's take a look.
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 17 December 2013 07: 37
      +2
      No, along the way this is the engine VAF talked about, with it the plane is even higher than it will fly now (above 25). And it is about to appear.
    4. ben gun
      ben gun 17 December 2013 08: 21
      +2
      I also understood, and for which Minesweeper was put a minus, I did not understand.
      If only in 14 they start manufacturing demonstrators, then to the real engine on a combat aircraft is still awesome!
      But UMPO vseravno fellows! Glad for my native plant! drinks good Including what is lit in the news has become.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 December 2013 09: 13
        +1
        I straightened the sleeper at the Minesweeper. 25 m - fantastic, straight "lower" space.
        All good!
    5. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 17 December 2013 09: 18
      0
      Most likely this will be the case if there are no technical problems, to create stands for a year, bench tests for a year, and at least a year for flight tests + time to eliminate identified defects, and even if there were no design errors in the documentation.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 17 December 2013 09: 49
        0
        I wonder how much time it takes to produce one instance of the engine in pilot production if the equipment is already done? For example, for the manufacture of 2-3-4 copies for testing.
        If it's not under the stamp, of course.
    6. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 17 December 2013 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: Canep
      this engine will appear in 3-4 years.

      You are an optimist, + but to me, for some reason, the terms from 6 to 8 years seem more realistic, taking into account our production, technological and financial capabilities.
    7. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 17 December 2013 11: 36
      0
      Quote: Canep
      As I understand it, a set of drawings is ready for the new engine, nothing is in the hardware. Poorly!

      Since a technical project is ready, it means that the main design decisions have passed the stage of experimental confirmation and have been accepted, that is, there is already a set of documentation on which you can make and run, the first prototypes .... And this is not very bad ....... .
  3. ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 December 2013 07: 33
    -1
    Well, right, it is necessary to modernize and improve, if only this would not delay the time for entering the troops, otherwise each updated part will be certified for 5 years. Now here wise men on ancient raptors will fly by and begin to minus everyone here laughing
  4. awg75
    awg75 17 December 2013 07: 35
    +6
    Engines are one of our achievements that make Russia a superpower. China cannot copy them, but in the USA they are no better (if not worse). Go Russia!!! when we raise our flag above the White House
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 December 2013 07: 52
      +7
      specify over which, otherwise they have done them everywhere, white ones ... wassat
      1. awg75
        awg75 17 December 2013 08: 57
        0
        yes over the fact that in Washington, of course, my friend !!!
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 17 December 2013 09: 52
        +1
        And don’t talk. Here in Kyrgyzstan they even slept. So already there is practically a tradition: every five years to storm this duplicate.
        wassat
    2. nik6006
      nik6006 17 December 2013 11: 02
      +1
      we don’t need someone else’s; we must raise our flag over all shit! we need to keep our own and handle it, there are so many things to do, we’ll grow up soon in the north, there we need to cover our combat icebreakers from the air, and the T-50 with the new engine will come in handy, it’s time to be born.
  5. T-100
    T-100 17 December 2013 07: 40
    -3
    The decisive battle will come soon. The war is whoever they or we are, messengers of darkness are attacking us. We must be ready !!!
    1. afire
      afire 17 December 2013 07: 50
      +3
      uuu gas sector in the morning? ... why not egoists-chimes.
      The first post is so generally pearl. Well what are they doing! Make it even better! what is it about ???
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 17 December 2013 10: 17
        +1
        Quote: afire
        The first post is so generally pearl. Well what are they doing! Make it even better! what is it about ???

        Dmitry, please do not frighten the "perlomets", let them enjoy the "variety" of opinions and quasi-patriotic reactions to the seemingly completely ordinary and long-promised news.
  6. Nitarius
    Nitarius 17 December 2013 07: 53
    23
    Quote: Canep
    As I understand it, a set of drawings is ready for the new engine, nothing is in the hardware. Poorly! I think on planes this engine will appear in 3-4 years.

    People amaze me! What do you think IT'S SO DIGGER on PERMANENT OIL? This is a tremendous work of more than one person and the whole team THIS IS NOT YOU A MACHINE to do AUDI, TOYOTA and so on ... THIS IS A ENGINE for which cruising speed is what for an ordinary FORCING ...
    QUICKLY NECESSARY when catching fleas ... Well, and when with someone else's WIFE .... and then hellish labor to think with brains
    When they stop crying that everything is bad and will RESPECT themselves ..... I feel the years of American propaganda do their job
    1. arutun
      arutun 17 December 2013 11: 10
      +2
      Write "+" correctly.
      Sorry for another plus you can not put on a photo.
    2. alone
      alone 17 December 2013 18: 52
      0
      Quote: Nitarius
      QUICKLY NECESSARY when catching fleas ... Well, and when with someone else's WIFE ....


      Well, I don’t know about fleas, I didn’t have to catch it. Well, about a stranger’s wife, in some circumstances it’s possible to slow down. When !!
  7. pensioner
    pensioner 17 December 2013 08: 07
    +2
    Completed technical project of the engine of the second stage for the fighter T-50

    If I understand correctly, then all theor. work on this product has been successfully carried out and the results obtained have been tested on the mat. models. Now everything is ready to be embodied in hardware. God grant that everything would be taken into account and nothing "got out" ... We wish you success! Well done!
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 17 December 2013 09: 19
      +3
      Quote: retired
      God grant that everything would be taken into account and nothing "got out" ...

      Unfortunately this does not happen, the refinement process is painstaking and long. Everything is simply impossible to take into account ....
  8. lotar
    lotar 17 December 2013 09: 20
    +2
    I hope the people creating such projects live with dignity and do not need anything other than the wishes of their health. Our strength is in people and, unfortunately, many people at the top are scoring it.
  9. Archikah
    Archikah 17 December 2013 09: 46
    +1
    Before the use of supercomputers, the development time for technical documentation (which is discussed in the article), on average, took 10 years. Now ours are 3 years old. And those. the documentation is now all on email. carriers. If something goes wrong, then it's not so difficult to fix it. Do not redraw hundreds of formats behind the drawing board. All sorts of domestic "autocad" and other graphics programs. good
    1. nik6006
      nik6006 17 December 2013 11: 08
      +1
      Did you draw something yourself ??? Simpleton, damn it! Writing is not difficult bullshit?
  10. Chever
    Chever 17 December 2013 09: 47
    0
    Rather see them ... good
  11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 December 2013 09: 54
    +6
    Our aviation science and industry were still dead. Despite all the efforts of those in power over the past two decades ... No wonder they say: "If a patient wants to live, medicine is powerless."
    What can I say? All the best to the developers, three times vivat! Congratulations from the heart! We are waiting now in the metal fellow
  12. Antokha
    Antokha 17 December 2013 10: 06
    0
    Who knows? What about the performance characteristics of this engine will be?
  13. Wiruz
    Wiruz 17 December 2013 10: 15
    +1
    Mmm. The air smelled like a serial Su-50 bully
  14. valodavoodoo
    valodavoodoo 17 December 2013 10: 59
    +4
    To serial even if the documentation is still very far away. From experience, I can say that the first one will not rise for testing before the end of 2015. Every detail needs to be checked and a conclusion given, and oh there are so many details, and many more from other factories, and how much marriage, and raw drawings. It’s better not to rush and don’t put any shit on the engine to sort out the finished engine and look for the cause of the failure more expensive. Good luck Ufa-Russia is our sky !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 17 December 2013 14: 41
    +1
    And the mattress toppers spat out the 100th F-35 .... "In Rome, +50, and in the village of Godyukino it is raining again"
  16. lordhigh
    lordhigh 17 December 2013 16: 54
    -4
    Well, what is this 5th generation if it has an ESR of 0.5 m2?

    The F-22 EPR has 0.0001 m2. (believe these pericos more)
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 17 December 2013 19: 03
      -1
      The F-22 EPR has 0.0001 m2.

      The fact that XU * is written on the fence does not mean that it lies there.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 17 December 2013 19: 06
      0
      Here is based on Wikipedia
      F-22 EPR -
      according to various sources, from 0,0001 to 0,3-0,4 m²

      The T-50 EPR -
      according to various sources from 0,005 to 0,3 m²
    3. nikolaxp
      nikolaxp 17 December 2013 21: 39
      +1
      Quote: lordhigh
      Well, what is this 5th generation if it has an ESR of 0.5 m2?

      The F-22 EPR has 0.0001 m2. (believe these pericos more)

      And you, I’m sorry, did you calculate this EPR yourself, or do you have secret documentation from the Pentagon and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, or can you be a genius engineer who took an active part in developing and creating F22 first, and then T50?
      All performance characteristics, especially of modern weapons, are classified or blurred (real performance characteristics are freely available only for export options), what the media prints are mostly speculations of the media themselves, or assumptions of unfortunate experts, there is also misinformation and advertising. Therefore, you could write with success that the T50 EPR - 0.0001 m2, and the F22 EPR - 0.5 m2, nothing would have changed, since no one will tell you the real numbers ...
  17. darksoul
    darksoul 17 December 2013 22: 32
    0
    the engine is the heart of the aircraft, our experts have always been able to make it efficiently and reliably, unlike the Chinese zh-zh copies, so let it continue