Completed technical project of the engine of the second stage for the fighter T-50

OJSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association" (UMPO) and its branch OKB im. A. Lyulki completed the technical design of the engine of the second stage for the fifth generation fighter T-50.
The technical design of the promising second-stage engine (PD) for the fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (T-50) was successfully adopted by a commission of customers (the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Sukhoi company). The product project was created in cooperation with the design services of the enterprises of the Engines for Combat Division aviation"led by the branch of OJSC" UMPO "- OKB named after A. Lyulka. Thus, the experimental design work on the product goes to a new level.
The next steps in the creation of the T-50 engine will be the development, manufacture and testing of demonstrators and the presentation of the product to an interdepartmental commission. In particular, the production of experimental gas generators and demonstrators is scheduled to begin in the first half of 2014.

Comments

[StolzSS]

Well what are they doing! Make it even better!

[ShturmKGB]

Things are moving quickly, the main thing is that officials and politicians do not intervene ...

[Egop]

Well, what is this 5th generation if it has an ESR of 0.5 m2?

The F-22 EPR has 0.0001 m2.

Consequently, Raptor will be the first to detect it (T-50) and strike ...

[Retx]

The results of official measurements in the studio!

[Egop]

Quote: RETX

The results of official measurements in the studio!

Please:
EPR T-50 according to chief designer the plane of Alexander Davidenko 0.5 m2.
proof: http://www.inosmi.ru/army/20100313/158588233.html

Statement by Lockheed Martinpublished in Aviation Week:
"Company representatives say that the EPR (effective scattering area) of the aircraft was about -40 dBsm." [-40 dBsm = 0.0001 m2] for F-22
proof: http://www.militaryparitet.com/teletype/data/ic_teletype/4630/

[Retx]

You do not understand the official measurements, not the words of someone there. For that matter, according to the same Poghosyan (a month ago, and not 2010), the EPR of the T-50 is similar to the F-22.

[nikolaxp]

And you did not think that the low ESR of f22 is not only because of the airframe, but in combination with a radio-absorbing coating + active interference system. And if the unpainted f22 glider shines, then the EPR can be larger than 0.5 m2.
If we paint our PAK-FA with radar absorbing paint and install an electronic warfare system, then the EPR will be no worse than the American, in addition to PAK-FA, the detection range of the enemy by TTX is higher than that of F22

[nik6006]

Quote: nikolaxp

And you did not think that the low ESR of f22 is not only because of the airframe, but in combination with a radio-absorbing coating + active interference system. And if the unpainted f22 glider shines, then the EPR can be larger than 0.5 m2.
If we paint our PAK-FA with radar absorbing paint and install an electronic warfare system, then the EPR will be no worse than the American, in addition to PAK-FA, the detection range of the enemy by TTX is higher than that of F22

I don’t understand where EPR and where electronic warfare, why? Maybe this is the latest technology, but I don’t even know! There are no words !!! And how do you know the performance characteristics of PAK-FA and F-22 to compare, you can get interested in?

[Canep]

As I understand it, a set of drawings is ready for the new engine, nothing is in the hardware. Poorly! I think on planes this engine will appear in 3-4 years.

[Yuri Y.]

At the very least, but things are moving.

[makarov]

Not just blueprints, but with detailing, cleanliness, tolerances, materials and alloys used ... this is a huge job. Now it’s all about the small- creating working layouts by nodes, running them in, then assembling, and testing the layout as a whole ... no less tremendous work

[abrakadabre]

Thanks for the clarification. In theory, the author of the article should have clarified all this. Not all readers are aware of how the development stages differ in the nuances.

[vladimirZ]

makarov-UA
Not just drawings, but with detailing, cleanliness, tolerances, used materials and alloys ...

And what other drawings could there be? General view of the engine or what?
It remains to begin, but to end.
As I understand it, the engine blueprints have not even passed the technological stage of processing for manufacturing at the factory, the technological process is not ready, the equipment for manufacturing engine parts is not ready, there are no ready-made individual units, there is not even a prototype of the engine, etc. etc.

[makarov]

SW VladimirZ. Are you kidding in your comment?
Do you not know that any detail of the drawing, including the use of any connections, require EXACT MATHEMATICAL AND PHYSICAL CALCULATION. It is not enough to draw a detail, it must be CALCULATED, and moreover, with the safety factor specified in the terms of reference.
It's not for you to get a "goat" out of your nose ....

[vladimirZ]

makarov-UA
It's not for you to get a "goat" out of your nose ....

This is a design work, which naturally includes calculation, choice of material, and detailed detailing. This is a difficult "goat", but this is the first stage.
And then no less complicated, launching into production, making a prototype. And that he will go is not a fact. So, everything is ahead, the development of design documentation is not yet a "product". Let's take a look.

[mirag2]

No, along the way this is the engine VAF talked about, with it the plane is even higher than it will fly now (above 25). And it is about to appear.

[ben gun]

I also understood, and for which Minesweeper was put a minus, I did not understand.
If only in 14 they start manufacturing demonstrators, then to the real engine on a combat aircraft is still awesome!
But UMPO vseravno fellows! Glad for my native plant! Including what is lit in the news has become.

[klimpopov]

I straightened the sleeper at the Minesweeper. 25 m - fantastic, straight "lower" space.
All good!

[tilovaykrisa]

Most likely this will be the case if there are no technical problems, to create stands for a year, bench tests for a year, and at least a year for flight tests + time to eliminate identified defects, and even if there were no design errors in the documentation.

[abrakadabre]

I wonder how much time it takes to produce one instance of the engine in pilot production if the equipment is already done? For example, for the manufacture of 2-3-4 copies for testing.
If it's not under the stamp, of course.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Canep

this engine will appear in 3-4 years.

You are an optimist, + but to me, for some reason, the terms from 6 to 8 years seem more realistic, taking into account our production, technological and financial capabilities.

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Canep

As I understand it, a set of drawings is ready for the new engine, nothing is in the hardware. Poorly!

Since a technical project is ready, it means that the main design decisions have passed the stage of experimental confirmation and have been accepted, that is, there is already a set of documentation on which you can make and run, the first prototypes .... And this is not very bad ....... .

[ZU-23]

Well, right, it is necessary to modernize and improve, if only this would not delay the time for entering the troops, otherwise each updated part will be certified for 5 years. Now here wise men on ancient raptors will fly by and begin to minus everyone here

[awg75]

Engines are one of our achievements that make Russia a superpower. China cannot copy them, but in the USA they are no better (if not worse). Go Russia!!! when we raise our flag above the White House

[Andrey Yuryevich]

specify over which, otherwise they have done them everywhere, white ones ...

[awg75]

yes over the fact that in Washington, of course, my friend !!!

[abrakadabre]

And don’t talk. Here in Kyrgyzstan they even slept. So already there is practically a tradition: every five years to storm this duplicate.

[nik6006]

we don’t need someone else’s; we must raise our flag over all shit! we need to keep our own and handle it, there are so many things to do, we’ll grow up soon in the north, there we need to cover our combat icebreakers from the air, and the T-50 with the new engine will come in handy, it’s time to be born.

[T-100]

The decisive battle will come soon. The war is whoever they or we are, messengers of darkness are attacking us. We must be ready !!!

[afire]

uuu gas sector in the morning? ... why not egoists-chimes.
The first post is so generally pearl. Well what are they doing! Make it even better! what is it about ???

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: afire

The first post is so generally pearl. Well what are they doing! Make it even better! what is it about ???

Dmitry, please do not frighten the "perlomets", let them enjoy the "variety" of opinions and quasi-patriotic reactions to the seemingly completely ordinary and long-promised news.

[Nitarius]

Quote: Canep

As I understand it, a set of drawings is ready for the new engine, nothing is in the hardware. Poorly! I think on planes this engine will appear in 3-4 years.

People amaze me! What do you think IT'S SO DIGGER on PERMANENT OIL? This is a tremendous work of more than one person and the whole team THIS IS NOT YOU A MACHINE to do AUDI, TOYOTA and so on ... THIS IS A ENGINE for which cruising speed is what for an ordinary FORCING ...
QUICKLY NECESSARY when catching fleas ... Well, and when with someone else's WIFE .... and then hellish labor to think with brains
When they stop crying that everything is bad and will RESPECT themselves ..... I feel the years of American propaganda do their job

[arutun]

Write "+" correctly.
Sorry for another plus you can not put on a photo.

[alone]

Quote: Nitarius

QUICKLY NECESSARY when catching fleas ... Well, and when with someone else's WIFE ....

Well, I don’t know about fleas, I didn’t have to catch it. Well, about a stranger’s wife, in some circumstances it’s possible to slow down. When !!

[pensioner]

Completed technical project of the engine of the second stage for the fighter T-50

If I understand correctly, then all theor. work on this product has been successfully carried out and the results obtained have been tested on the mat. models. Now everything is ready to be embodied in hardware. God grant that everything would be taken into account and nothing "got out" ... We wish you success! Well done!

[Nayhas]

Quote: retired

God grant that everything would be taken into account and nothing "got out" ...

Unfortunately this does not happen, the refinement process is painstaking and long. Everything is simply impossible to take into account ....

[lotar]

I hope the people creating such projects live with dignity and do not need anything other than the wishes of their health. Our strength is in people and, unfortunately, many people at the top are scoring it.

[Archikah]

Before the use of supercomputers, the development time for technical documentation (which is discussed in the article), on average, took 10 years. Now ours are 3 years old. And those. the documentation is now all on email. carriers. If something goes wrong, then it's not so difficult to fix it. Do not redraw hundreds of formats behind the drawing board. All sorts of domestic "autocad" and other graphics programs.

[nik6006]

Did you draw something yourself ??? Simpleton, damn it! Writing is not difficult bullshit?

[Chever]

Rather see them ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Our aviation science and industry were still dead. Despite all the efforts of those in power over the past two decades ... No wonder they say: "If a patient wants to live, medicine is powerless."
What can I say? All the best to the developers, three times vivat! Congratulations from the heart! We are waiting now in the metal

[Antokha]

Who knows? What about the performance characteristics of this engine will be?

[Wiruz]

Mmm. The air smelled like a serial Su-50

[valodavoodoo]

To serial even if the documentation is still very far away. From experience, I can say that the first one will not rise for testing before the end of 2015. Every detail needs to be checked and a conclusion given, and oh there are so many details, and many more from other factories, and how much marriage, and raw drawings. It’s better not to rush and don’t put any shit on the engine to sort out the finished engine and look for the cause of the failure more expensive. Good luck Ufa-Russia is our sky !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kapitan281271]

And the mattress toppers spat out the 100th F-35 .... "In Rome, +50, and in the village of Godyukino it is raining again"

[lord high]

Well, what is this 5th generation if it has an ESR of 0.5 m2?

The F-22 EPR has 0.0001 m2. (believe these pericos more)

[Wiruz]

The F-22 EPR has 0.0001 m2.

The fact that XU * is written on the fence does not mean that it lies there.

[Wiruz]

Here is based on Wikipedia
F-22 EPR -

according to various sources, from 0,0001 to 0,3-0,4 m²

The T-50 EPR -

according to various sources from 0,005 to 0,3 m²

[nikolaxp]

Quote: lordhigh

Well, what is this 5th generation if it has an ESR of 0.5 m2?

The F-22 EPR has 0.0001 m2. (believe these pericos more)

And you, I’m sorry, did you calculate this EPR yourself, or do you have secret documentation from the Pentagon and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, or can you be a genius engineer who took an active part in developing and creating F22 first, and then T50?
All performance characteristics, especially of modern weapons, are classified or blurred (real performance characteristics are freely available only for export options), what the media prints are mostly speculations of the media themselves, or assumptions of unfortunate experts, there is also misinformation and advertising. Therefore, you could write with success that the T50 EPR - 0.0001 m2, and the F22 EPR - 0.5 m2, nothing would have changed, since no one will tell you the real numbers ...

[darksoul]

the engine is the heart of the aircraft, our experts have always been able to make it efficiently and reliably, unlike the Chinese zh-zh copies, so let it continue