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"Then war again"

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"Then war again"Today, a network war is being waged against Russia. This technology is of military origin. In the American strategy, such operations have their counterpart and are called network-centric wars. Scripts will be tightened.


Russia is increasingly integrating into a rapidly globalizing world, whether we like it or not.

It is not clear how much we need it, however, it has long been a fact. That is why it is necessary to consider what is happening in Russia in conjunction with the processes that started at the behest of the United States in the spring of 2011 in the Middle East, since it is obvious that what is happening in this region is no longer over.

War "from the inside out"

Today, as many experts state, a network war is being waged against Russia. This technology is of military origin. In the American military strategy, such operations have their counterpart and are called network-centric wars. Why do we refer them to military strategies? Because the result is a real military victory, that is, the seizure of territories and the establishment of control over them. In this regard, the understanding of new realities requires a complete revision of approaches to the conduct of hostilities and the achievement of military results.

In the industrial era, fighting was conducted using concepts such as the front and the army. Actually a military, military clash took place in a frontal manner - the opponents collided directly, and the victory depended on who had more advanced weapons and equipment, who had a numerical superiority in manpower. The victory itself was measured by the number of losses from one side or another and the establishment of military control over the seized territory from the other. These are the categories of the modern era war.

With the advent of the information age, known paradigmically as the postmodern era, this approach has changed. For clarity, this can be represented schematically: the national state, which today lies at the heart of the world order, is considered by strategists of network wars in the form of concentric circles. In the center there is a national leader, as a rule, the head of state, around which political elites are located. The next circle is the expert community, which forms political meanings and interpretations, and the media space, which translates everything into the language of the masses.

The next layer is the masses themselves: society, the population of the country. And outside - the outer layer: the army is located, the armed forces as a means of protecting the entire concentric structure. This scheme was first proposed by the American strategist, one of the developers of the theory of network-centric wars, John Wardon, a colonel of the US armed forces. Subsequently, it was borrowed by technologists of humanitarian social transformations.

The basis of the strategy, which was called Effects-bases operations (operations based on effects or “effect-based” - RBE), is that aggression against such a model of the state is not carried out from the outside, that is, not against the armed forces, not directly, "Frontal way." The so-called concept of waging war from the inside to the outside becomes more effective.

The first blow is applied to the center of this system, that is, to the leader. But, naturally, since this structure has many protective layers, this strike may not always be direct, military, although such options are used periodically — the physical elimination of the leader, which is less effective. Here is the ideological, ideological impact on the first face of the state, and better - its complete replacement.

Sad история USSR - the success of OBE

In order to understand what exactly we are talking about, let's recall the processes that took place in Russia at the end of the 1980-x - the beginning of the 1990-s of the XX century. American politicians and elites worked directly with the leader of our state, at that moment - Mikhail Gorbachev, and actively processed it, which eventually led to the collapse of the USSR.

Actually, as it turns out now, it was not without American participation that Mikhail Sergeyevich came to power. The conservative entourage of Gorbachev tried to languidly resist de-sovereignty and collapse (Emergency Committee), but lost the historic battle. As a result, Boris Yeltsin, an even more Atlantic-oriented leader, came to the first position. In this and in another case, the main direction of impact was in the direction “from the inside to the outside”. Yeltsin, taking into account Gorbachev’s mistakes, relied on the more ideologically corresponding elites.

Following the leader of the state, based on his ideas and will, as well as under the influence of new, already “reflashed” elites, the media and expert communities located in the next layer were actively processed and reformatted. Predominantly liberal at that time elites formed, to match themselves, an expert and journalistic community. All advisers, the main actors of internal political processes, had a strictly pro-American, Atlantic orientation. The media community is fully consistent with the liberal Westernistic views of the expert community.

The next step is the population, which is the product of the impact of the media space.

Under the pressure of the massive media processing, it reluctantly, suffering, but still accepted the views and views, oriented accordingly. In other words, according to the will of the leader, his elites, experts and the media at hand, the population was reprogrammed in a strictly pro-American, pro-Western vein.

The idea was instilled that Russia should submit to the general logic of the development of global world processes; that we must give up our sovereignty; that we must act in sync with our Western partners, the countries of the Western world.

And the fact that our army - the last, outer circle - decomposes, disintegrates, was basically normal, because it fit into a paradigm, according to which we must be weak in order for the Western world to be comfortable with us, to include us in global processes . Accordingly, the army as a social class, stemming directly from society, also decomposed under the influence of this whole structure, the transformation of which just happened “from the inside - outside”.

Putin and sovereignty: in the ring of elites

With the advent of Vladimir Putin, the leader was changed - the very center of the structure, which resulted in a sharp change of course, at least in relation to such a concept as sovereignty.

Putin’s main merit was that he made Russia's sovereignty worth and insisted that we restore and defend it. In the most pointed way, he demonstrated this during the second Chechen campaign, and openly stated this in the well-known “Munich speech”. That is, the center of the whole structure was a person who partially changed the sign of development to the opposite with respect to the leader who was in front of him, at least in matters of foreign policy.

Gradually, step by step carrying out the revolution from above, Putin began to restore the patriotic balance within the country, asserting the values ​​of sovereignty as basic. Of course, in many respects he was and still is under the influence of the liberal environment, but, nevertheless, the process went in the opposite direction.

And it was precisely at this moment that a sharp aggravation of relations with the West began, which presents itself with a completely different picture and future development of the situation.

Gradually, Putin moved to a galaxy of leaders of states that, according to American ideas, in the "axis of evil." The accents and attitudes of the West towards Russia have changed. But American goals have not changed. They were adjusted, the implementation of the American project with respect to Russia was postponed, the disintegration and de-sovereignty of Russia were stopped, frozen. But this does not mean that the Americans abandoned these plans. This means that they have moved to another level of implementation of this strategy - into a more protracted phase.

According to the “Great Middle East” plan, before our eyes, starting from 2004, the Middle East is being reformatted to American standards. What is the point of this plan? The meaning is that the Arab world, the countries of the Maghreb, North Africa are still still largely represent the traditional systems of social organization. There clan society dominates, tradition rises above all other social regulators. Reformatting consists in mixing the traditional social order.

The task is to mix in order to implant Western, liberal values, which are based on the individual, that is, an atomized personality. In order to get such a person at the exit, it is necessary to destroy the collective subjectivity, which lies at the basis of the social structure of still traditional states and peoples.

To do this, mixing processes are included in accordance with the theory of controlled chaos - one of the theorists of this concept is an American strategist, scientist Stephen Mann. Outwardly, events develop as if by themselves and are chaotic, but all the same, ultimately, heterogeneous, turbulent processes come to a final, predetermined point, to a predetermined final, despite the completely chaotic course of these processes.

Thus, the introduced chaos from the outside leads to a given result. The Middle East has joined the process of mixing up social space to establish American democracy there. This space should be fragmented and atomized. Only in this case can it become susceptible to American liberal values. In a form in which the Libyan Jamahiriya existed under Gadhafi, she could not accept the values ​​of American democracy.

This also applies to Syria, which implements the repetition of the Libyan scenario, and other countries of the Middle East. But Iran’s main objective in the Middle East remains its de-sovereignty and regime change. Even if the intermediate regime turns out to be not strictly pro-American, but, let's say, Islamist, this is not critical, because in this case chaotic processes are still launched, destabilization of the society occurs, which begins to boil, and then it will in principle not come to static, stable state. A little earlier, the Egyptian opposition easily coped with its leader.

Hosni Mubarak is gone, and spontaneous, chaotic processes, internal turbulence still occur. Regularly in Egypt, hundreds of people are killed in clashes. What to say about Iraq or Afghanistan.

The intermediate result may not be strictly defined, but at the next stage and at even more the next one the situation will be getting closer and closer to the one set by the American strategists initially. After the de-sovereignty of Iran, the last window will shut, and Russia will be surrounded by it.

The processes taking place in the countries of the Middle East and the Maghreb - a signal personally to Vladimir Putin that if he continues the political line on the sovereignization of Russia, on the return of Russia to the world stage as a major player, he can repeat the fate of all these leaders. Either he will be overthrown by his own population, or he will be biased by direct NATO strikes on the territory of Russia — such are the Western scenarios for Putin.

Another advantage of using the concept of network-centric and network wars that directly work with the population is that, at the time of implementing these strategies, the side against which they are implemented has no reason, no reason and no reason to use nuclear weapons.

If social unrest begins in Russia, those who disagree go out into the square and hold mass actions, then where is the opportunity for the use of nuclear weapons? Even if a force has been found that gave start to these processes, even if there is confidence that all this is not by chance, if it is reliably established that unrest and resignation requirements are of artificial origin and their center of initiation is either in the USA or in Europe.

Even if you have found a source of financing and a customer, you still will not have a reason to use nuclear weapons, which is absolutely incommensurable. That is, in your country of unrest, the people demand your resignation, and you use nuclear weapons against the United States? This is clearly an inadequate answer. Therefore, there is no possibility to use it, and this is the only thing that Americans really fear.

Hard Scenario Network War

The fact that Russia is a nuclear power still does not guarantee Russia that the current regime will not be overthrown using network technologies and network processes, that it will not be replaced by external control. This is the advantage of network strategies - efficiency and relative cheapness compared to conventional weapons.

Thus, Putin faces a choice: either continue to insist on the sovereignty of Russia, or go on about the US, in order to maintain stability. And they can offer him this option: if you want to maintain stability in Russia, you want to avoid processes similar to what is happening in Egypt, in Libya, in Syria, give up power. At one time, Muammar Gaddafi, killed by the West, initially stood on tough anti-American positions. But then he went on about the West, repented of his previous bad behavior, promised that he would no longer be the “bad guy” - and was accepted by the Western political community. To be killed.

The same is being prepared for Russia: Putin, in fact, has been led by the West, making his successor a more liberal, softer, pro-Western politician. And how did it end for Putin? Mass demonstrations at Bolotnaya and Sakharov, clashes with riot police 6 May 2012. There are a lot of analogies with the processes that are taking place in the Middle East.

At the time of the end of Dmitry Medvedev's presidential term, the Americans put the question before Putin: either you get social unrest, destabilization and the implementation of scenarios similar to those in the Middle East, or Putin refuses power and leaves a successor for another term.

And this would mean the subsequent very rapid disintegration of Russia according to a scenario that was frozen at the moment Putin came to power. But then the question arises: why was it conceived all this epic with sovereignty, if in any case, everything will be implemented according to the American plan? Here you either have to stand on your own and be prepared for a tough scenario, or everything formerly did not make sense. This is a serious, historic choice. The future of Russia depends on this choice literally. Therefore, we consider this problem in conjunction with the processes occurring in the Arab world.

A network war is being waged against Russia. What is happening with the leaders of the Arab states is a direct signal against Putin. Is he ready to defend his position for the sake of Russia's sovereignty in the face of a historical challenge, historical threats? Then the hard scenario is almost a matter. This will happen in any case, because the Americans are finishing what they have begun. Network technologies will be used in such a way that we will not have the opportunity to respond with the help of nuclear deterrence forces, which were such only during the modern era, conventional wars, conventional weapons.

Now we are faced with completely new technologies. There are no centers in Russia yet that are ready to respond to these technologies and challenges, and Putin personally faced a historical challenge. The network coup scenario was planned for 2008, but because of the concession that Putin made in favor of the West, appointing Medvedev as the successor, this scenario was postponed, but not canceled. The next attempt - mass performances in December 2011 - the beginning of 2012 - also did not give the desired result for the West.

And this means nothing more than a tightening of the script in the near future - the North Caucasus is not calming down, riots in Biryulyovo, the explosion of a bus in Volgograd, Russian discontent - what’s next?
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  1. T-100
    T-100 17 December 2013 07: 43
    +6
    The decisive battle will come soon. The war is whoever they or we are, messengers of darkness are attacking us. We must be ready !!!
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 17 December 2013 07: 48
      23
      Yes, the war.
      Just think, in the 30s, on the enthusiasm of the people, undernourished and certainly almost without rest, but by working and working they raised the country from the wilds of devastation, and if they were told from everywhere: "Why do you need this? Are you crazy? Yes. on whom do you plow? Go home, drive moonshine, eat and live in YOUR pleasure! "
      What would come out of the industrial upsurge? And in general, would he, this upsurge?
      1. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 17 December 2013 09: 59
        21
        << The villa of the head of the Krasnoyarsk Territory in France was robbed for 200 thousand euros
        Krasnoyarsk Governor Lev Kuznetsov was robbed in his house in the south of France for 200 thousand euros, RIA Novosti reports. >>
        On people like this we are working with "enthusiasm" at the present moment. To demand patriotism from the people, they themselves have to be patriots. Russia is big, do you want a villa? For God's sake, we have a lot of space, no one forbids (to be honest So no warm lands give them. Families are there, women give birth there, children are taught and raised there. What kind of patriotism can we talk about? Article + Written correctly.
        1. Corporal
          Corporal 17 December 2013 11: 16
          -5
          What kind of division is this, "they" and "we"? "We" are good, the bosses are bad.

          There is me, and my patriotism, this is my personal attitude to my country, and does not depend on Kuznetsov, Medvedev or Serdyukov.

          And I plow on myself, on my family and on my country. I am responsible for myself and do not try to turn the arrows on a bad government, cops or guest workers.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 17 December 2013 13: 18
            0
            Quote: Efreytor
            What kind of division is this, "they" and "we"? "We" are good, the bosses are bad.

            There is me, and my patriotism, this is my personal attitude to my country, and does not depend on Kuznetsov, Medvedev or Serdyukov.

            And I plow on myself, on my family and on my country. I am responsible for myself and do not try to turn the arrows on a bad government, cops or guest workers.


            Everything is so, indeed, everyone should be responsible for themselves and their loved ones (if you steal at work, it’s not because the governor steals, but because you are a thief yourself, if you’re drunk, then you’re just drunk, if it’s dirty in your yard, so because you are a pig, not because of the "bloody regime").

            However, do not forget that our taxes go to gentlemen like the Krasnoyarsk governor.

            The question, of course, is what to do - not to change, as in S. Slepakov's song they will plunder the whole country, to change - so simply they will not give back the "acquired by overwork", i.e. this is a revolution, respectively, a trash like Shvonder and Sharikov will come to power again.
            Elections?
            Well, 146% for the party in power has already been seen by the whole country, in the next we will see 246% in favor.

            That’s the riddle - what to do.
            1. Corporal
              Corporal 17 December 2013 14: 26
              0
              I pay taxes and deduct to the pension fund. If this money is stolen, it will be on the conscience of thieves, and I am clean.
              I give money to a poor old woman, and if they all end up in the "roof" pocket, it's on their conscience, not mine.
              I haven’t come up with a better algorithm.

              And if it is assumed that everything around is a thief and killers, then why such a life?
              1. Petrix
                Petrix 17 December 2013 15: 36
                +1
                Quote: Efreytor
                I pay taxes and deduct to the pension fund. If this money is stolen, it will be on the conscience of thieves, and I am clean.
                I give money to a poor old woman, and if they all end up in the "roof" pocket, it's on their conscience, not mine.
                I haven’t come up with a better algorithm.

                There is always a choice. In your opinion: if they kill me, then it is on the conscience of the killers, but I am clean. And who prevented you from defending yourself? If you live not for your children, but for thieves, then you are CLEAN?
                Quote: Efreytor
                And if it is assumed that everything around is a thief and killers, then why such a life?

                Firstly, not all.
                Secondly, such a life in order to improve it.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 17 December 2013 15: 45
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                  Quote: Petrix
                  There is always a choice. In your opinion: if they kill me, then it is on the conscience of the killers, but I am clean. And who prevented you from defending yourself?

                  And the killers like nothing to do with it? Of course you must defend yourself, but murder is on the conscience of the killers.
                  1. Petrix
                    Petrix 17 December 2013 15: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    And the killers like nothing to do with it? Of course you must defend yourself, but murder is on the conscience of the killers

                    No need to think out for me, all the more wrong. Murder is on the conscience of the killers, but not only on their conscience. There are still weak defenders or deserters.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 17 December 2013 17: 24
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                      Quote: Petrix
                      No need to think out for me, all the more wrong. Murder is on the conscience of the killers, but not only on their conscience. There are still weak defenders or deserters.

                      So there is no need to protect the killers.
                2. Corporal
                  Corporal 17 December 2013 16: 50
                  0
                  And who prevented you from defending yourself? If you live not for your children, but for thieves, then you are CLEAN?


                  You are completely confused. Can you handle it yourself? lol

                  Secondly, such a life in order to improve it.


                  And can you personally influence a lot? So go and influence, improve, and do not wipe your pants here. I am responsible only for what is in my power and competence.

                  I believe that the shoemaker should stitch the boots, and the police should catch the criminals. My job is to feed the family, raise and raise children. But they will deal with embezzlers and without my opinion.
        2. perfect100
          perfect100 17 December 2013 12: 01
          -3
          Dear SHOCK, here I will look at you, what you will do and where you will go when you can manage the amounts of millions of dollars. Do not you want to buy a comfortable home for your family in a pleasant warm climate? Do you really want to create comfortable conditions for yourself and your family? Why do you need to freeze for six months under the snow in the homeland?
          1. Petrix
            Petrix 17 December 2013 15: 46
            0
            Quote: perfect100
            when you can manage millions of dollars

            And WHEN all the people under the leadership of this official will be able to dispose of millions? Then the question will disappear.
            Everyone should afford a pleasant house in a pleasant climate, or EVERY person should not allow it either.
        3. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 17 December 2013 13: 03
          0
          Quote: Sh.O.K.
          We are working on people like this one with "enthusiasm" at the present moment. In order to demand patriotism from the people, they themselves have to be patriots.


          Probably the governors themselves defecate at the entrance, makes you plump, steal tools from work, be rude on the road, rude in the store. The same official forces to get drunk behind the wheel, or exceed the speed, and being caught bribe traffic cops, simultaneously shouting about rampant corruption .....

          Many will disagree with my opinion, but all the flaws of the government come from the people, the government is the mirror of society, it’s not our fault, we did it, and we ourselves.

          After all, theft of tools from the factory or tax evasion is one and the same as theft of the budget, just different scales ...

          All empires fell apart not from above, but from below, they spent years on them, corrupting them such as the Ottoman, Russian, Soviet, French Republic of de Gaulle, China at the dawn of the Opium Wars, or they did it themselves, for example the Roman ....
          Politics is a dirty business, as is propaganda.
      2. Heccrbq.3
        Heccrbq.3 17 December 2013 10: 31
        +8
        In the 30s there were no oligarchs, there were no diasporas living better than the titular nation, there were no half-starved old people against the background of officials with cars and palaces, should I still list them?
        1. Corporal
          Corporal 17 December 2013 11: 20
          0
          You forgot the internet and television. Do you notice negative changes compared to 30 now? Ask the great-grandchildren, dear, they do not all tell you what is happening around.
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 17 December 2013 13: 24
          0
          Quote: Heccrbq.3
          In the 30s there were no oligarchs, there were no diasporas living better than the titular nation, there were no half-starved old people against the background of officials with cars and palaces, should I still list them?


          But there were special rations and special distributors (Tendryakova can be read) for party bonzes, there were communal apartments without hot water and with toilets in the streets, and there were Stalinist houses in the center of the cities - again for party bonzes.
          Inequality was enough then.
          1. Rusich51
            Rusich51 18 December 2013 02: 17
            +1
            Quote: cdrt
            But there were special rations and special distributors (Tendryakova can be read) for party bonzes, there were communal apartments without hot water and with toilets in the streets, and there were Stalinist houses in the center of the cities - again for party bonzes.
            Inequality was enough then.


            Do not compare with the current oligarchs.
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 17 December 2013 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: mirag2
        Yes, the war.

        The following things must be urgently done:
        1. own axis
        2. national control over I-net
        3. to revise the so-called. "democratic / universal" values.
        4. ...

        Work on item 3 has already begun, see the latest message of GDP

        In fact, we have colossal advantages, they only need to be realized, brought into practical life, or given a go. First, we are absolutely self-sufficient - the values ​​of the Russian World are by no means already "universal human historical values." It turns out that they are ancient, based on the history and heritage of many peoples who lived and live in our territories. The Russian language is a whole unique layer that unites all of us. Our experience of coexistence and multifaceted life in harmony with many peoples in a single purpose is also unique and rich ...
        1. Rusich51
          Rusich51 18 December 2013 02: 24
          +1
          Quote: Rus2012
          In fact, we have colossal advantages, they only need to be realized, brought into practical life, or given a go. First, we are absolutely self-sufficient - the values ​​of the Russian World are by no means already "universal human historical values." It turns out that they are ancient, based on the history and heritage of many peoples who lived and live in our territories. The Russian language is a whole unique layer that unites all of us. Our experience of coexistence and multifaceted life in harmony with many peoples in a single purpose is also unique and rich ...


          Russian Empire, USSR, RF - Eurasian country. She is strong in the labors and thoughts of all ethnic groups inhabiting her. Thanks to this, we simply must proactively repulse these attacks of the evil empire and inflict a crushing defeat on it.
      4. Metal
        Metal 17 December 2013 14: 11
        -3
        They raised the country from the wilds of devastation, which they themselves drove into these wilds. I mean the coup and the Civil War. Certainly not without the help of the same Western forces. As for enthusiasm, this is also very controversial. People lived in fear of power. Red terror marched through the streets.
      5. GDP
        GDP 17 December 2013 15: 00
        0
        Information wars have always been and Russia has always lost in them.
        Previously, it was called agitation, propaganda - now an information war. In the age of the Internet, the essence has not changed - the methods and means have changed.
        I read excerpts from Western and Soviet propaganda, during the war, a feeling that we are just children compared to them ...
        propaganda

        For example, the Finnish war
        they:
        Russian brothers! Our country is peaceful, we did not want to fight with anyone, but you came to kill our people, to burn at home. We understand that it’s not your fault that your government has forced you — the true enemies of the Finnish people. Do not believe the Kremlin propaganda, hundreds of thousands of your compatriots have already found a grave on Finnish soil, do not follow them.
        Friendly Finnish people will provide you with all possible assistance and protection from the prosecution of your criminal authorities.
        everyone who surrenders to the authorities will receive not just freedom from tyranny, he will be ensured for everyone, for the weapons that you surrender you will receive its full value. It is more profitable for us to buy it from you than in the west
        Each pilot - dropping bombs in the lake and landing a plane at a Finnish airfield will receive 10 000 $ (a fantastic amount for those times) and the opportunity to travel to the United States for permanent residence. For all the weapons that you surrender from the tank, to the cartridge you will receive its full value!
        We:
        Comrades, Finnish workers join the struggle against the world bourgeoisie.
        Give the liquidation of private property! Long live the world international!
        Workers of all countries unite! etc...

        And no one thinks that almost all Finns have this private property, that they care less about the world bourgeoisie and the international ...

        Unfortunately, they don’t know how to get into the head of the enemy, understand their culture and beat them according to what is most important for him ... They didn’t know how then, they don’t know now. So far, just learning ...

        Information technology network electronic, it does not matter which should play primarily on the minds and feelings of people from the standpoint of their culture and values, not ours, everything else is just a means of bringing these thoughts into their heads ...
      6. Rusich51
        Rusich51 18 December 2013 02: 09
        +1
        Actually, as it turns out now, Mikhail Sergeyevich came to power not without American participation. Gorbachev’s conservative circle tried to sluggishly resist de-sovereignization and collapse (GKChP), but lost the historic battle.

        The enemy does not sleep, we are simple-minded and believe in various oracles proclaiming P N N D O S T A N the light of good. You can only trust yourself. And the heart suggests that the gringo is Jesuitly cunning and merciless to achieve world domination.
    2. Rusi dolaze
      Rusi dolaze 17 December 2013 10: 31
      0
      Always ready! Let's roll the lip on the back of the head to the Americans! AKM is not far buried :)
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 17 December 2013 15: 59
        0
        Quote: Rusi dolaze
        AKM is not far buried :)

        AKM? Shoot at your neighbors at rallies? Your AKM will be in trouble while you look for work abroad.
        There is an information war. Head need to think.
    3. irongun
      irongun 17 December 2013 11: 27
      0
      [quote = T-100] The decisive battle will come soon. War who whom they or we are upon us messengers of darkness come. We must be ready !!! [/ quote
      Tongue wagging, this is about the author of the article, do not carry bags! And "dragged" - the word "war"! Wherever you spit, everywhere is war - on the roads, in the minds, on the Internet, etc. It is not necessary to fight, but not to bring the country and people to "martial law", just live normally, like some countries, you know them - Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Australia, Nauru, Tahiti - add or remove as you please !!! !
      Just live, not fight ....
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 17 December 2013 13: 25
        0
        Quote: irongun
        tongue wag, it's about the author of the article, do not carry bags! And "dragged" - the word "war"! Wherever you spit, everywhere is war - on the roads, in the minds, on the Internet, etc. It is not necessary to fight, but not to bring the country and people to "martial law", just live normally, like some countries, you know them - Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Australia, Nauru, Tahiti - add or remove as you please !!! !
        Just live, not fight ....


        The devastation in the heads of (c) prof. Preobrazhensky
    4. I do not care
      I do not care 17 December 2013 13: 46
      0
      nuclear weapons against the US? This will be a clearly inadequate answer.
      Why afffftor? Not those decide which answer will be adequate ...
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 17 December 2013 16: 06
        0
        Quote: me by
        nuclear weapons against the US? This will be a clearly inadequate answer.
        Why afffftor?

        So what has not yet been applied? The destruction of the country from the enemy is evident. They signed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha - they had to be wet immediately.
        That is why the answer is clearly inadequate.
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 17 December 2013 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: T-100
      The decisive battle will come soon. The war is whoever they or we are, messengers of darkness are attacking us. We must be ready !!!


      Literate guy. We have been ready for a long time, since 1993.

      I see the Avtyr familiar with all sorts of conspiracy theories and expounds them here in the form of a horror story. It's too much. No need here to frighten us with the Internet.

      There is one caveat here. Even the most thoughtful and Jesuit sophisticated network strategy faced with brute and primitive physical violence loses. This is exactly the case when a low-order effect is enough to neutralize a higher-order effect.

      In this particular case, it is enough to drive the performers into the framework of legality or simply physically destroy it. As an example, NGOs were driven into the legal framework, Khodorkovsky was identified in a sanatorium, forever, Navalnik was blocked off the road to power ... and you should continue to do so ... Let someone spend money on creating a network structure. Our media from the TV screen to hammer for patriotism as with a machine gun, do not get through.
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 17 December 2013 07: 45
    +6
    Unfortunately, the military thought of the Western "partners" is always one step ahead. But nothing, we are learning quickly - we learned to follow them to pour guns, make tanks, nuclear bombs. And we ALWAYS managed to learn, albeit at the last minute. And then they made weapons better than the enemy. It will be so this time too, 100%. There is no other way, we have no options.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 December 2013 08: 02
      0
      Quote: FC Skif
      ... Unfortunately, the military thought of Western "partners" is always one step ahead ...
      One can only guess about this. I'm not sure that all our geniuses are in the "selecon valley".
      1. Sunjar
        Sunjar 17 December 2013 10: 01
        +4
        It can be seen from the backward military thought of the USSR that you launch the first satellite into space, then a man, then they built a space station? Despite the fact that the majority of scientists have scooped up the West for themselves, and many have already dumped Brazil into their own power.
        Apparently from the backward military thought, our designers have created an ekranoplan? And civilian hydrofoils "Rocket"?
        What kind of flawed attitude to their science? It’s good that you wrote at least something patriotic. But do not forget that a lot of breakthrough steps were made by our scientists, both military and not. Non-military scientists, in general, made a huge contribution to world science.
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 17 December 2013 13: 27
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: FC Skif
        ... Unfortunately, the military thought of Western "partners" is always one step ahead ...
        One can only guess about this. I'm not sure that all our geniuses are in the "selecon valley".


        This is from historical experience. In our own country, we have never "had" prophets.
        And how they roasted a rooster - they studied, the benefit of the mind was always enough, and geography allows.
        1. Petrix
          Petrix 17 December 2013 16: 11
          0
          Quote: cdrt
          And how a roasted cock pecks - studied

          Compare the peaceful man and the villain. Who is more perfect in violence? So is civilization.
          This is an honor for Russians. Shows focus on the world.
    2. dark_65
      dark_65 17 December 2013 10: 15
      +1
      it's a pity only for people who "dropped out in the learning process" there is a second life. as in a computer will not be. ready for war
    3. CALL.
      CALL. 17 December 2013 11: 33
      +2
      But did you know that it was Russia that armed all of Europe with advanced weapons? Every year, Russian monasteries and foundries sold hundreds of guns, thousands of muskets, cold steel.
      Source - here is a quote from the Encyclopedia of Arms:
      “It is interesting that the manufacturers of artillery in the XVI-XVII centuries were not only sovereign Pushkar yards, but also monasteries. For example, a fairly large production of guns was carried out in the Solovetsky monastery and in the Kirillovo-Belozersky monastery. Owned guns and very successfully used them Don and Zaporozhye Cossacks. The first mention of the use of guns by Zaporozhye Cossacks dates back to 1516. In the XIX-XX centuries in Russia and abroad, it was believed that the pre-Petrine artillery was technically backward. But here are the facts: in 1646, the Tula-Kamensky factories supplied the Netherlands with more than 600 guns, and in 1647 360 guns of 4,6 and 8 pound caliber. In 1675, the Tula-Kamensky factories shipped abroad 116 cast-iron cannons, 43 cores, 892 grenades, 2934 musket barrels, 2356 swords and 2700 pounds of iron. ” So much for the wild backward Russia, about which they say in school.
      By the way, from time to time I meet Russophobes who claim that everything above cannot be written, since even highly progressive and developed England and France learned to cast iron only in the 1600th century. In such cases, I advise you to visit the Artillery Museum in St. Petersburg. One of the cast-iron cannons cast in XNUMX, there cheekily lies on a stand for all to see.
      People do not believe that Russia throughout its history and in all respects overtook Europe by about two centuries.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 17 December 2013 13: 27
        0
        Even if we say that nothing has been created in Russia, everyone knows that both the crossbow and the gunpowder were invented in China, and from China it came through Russia.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 17 December 2013 15: 59
          0
          Quote: mirag2
          Even if we say that nothing has been created in Russia, everyone knows that both the crossbow and the gunpowder were invented in China, and from China it came through Russia.

          Who are they all? There are no "ancient" Chinese crossbows in nature. And gunpowder was first used in Europe.
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 17 December 2013 13: 31
        0
        Quote: Z.O.V.
        But did you know that it was Russia that armed all of Europe with advanced weapons? Every year, Russian monasteries and foundries sold hundreds of guns, thousands of muskets, cold steel.
        Source - here is a quote from the Encyclopedia of Arms:
        “It is interesting that the manufacturers of artillery in the XVI-XVII centuries were not only sovereign Pushkar yards, but also monasteries. For example, a fairly large production of guns was carried out in the Solovetsky monastery and in the Kirillovo-Belozersky monastery. Owned guns and very successfully used them Don and Zaporozhye Cossacks. The first mention of the use of guns by Zaporozhye Cossacks dates back to 1516. In the XIX-XX centuries in Russia and abroad, it was believed that the pre-Petrine artillery was technically backward. But here are the facts: in 1646, the Tula-Kamensky factories supplied the Netherlands with more than 600 guns, and in 1647 360 guns of 4,6 and 8 pound caliber. In 1675, the Tula-Kamensky factories shipped abroad 116 cast-iron cannons, 43 cores, 892 grenades, 2934 musket barrels, 2356 swords and 2700 pounds of iron. ” So much for the wild backward Russia, about which they say in school.
        By the way, from time to time I meet Russophobes who claim that everything above cannot be written, since even highly progressive and developed England and France learned to cast iron only in the 1600th century. In such cases, I advise you to visit the Artillery Museum in St. Petersburg. One of the cast-iron cannons cast in XNUMX, there cheekily lies on a stand for all to see.
        People do not believe that Russia throughout its history and in all respects overtook Europe by about two centuries.


        Was this in this book - + you wink

        True, it seems like by the time of Peter the Great they had already begun to move away from cast-iron cannons - they switched to bronze ones.
        I can of course be mistaken, but again they returned to tools from iron alloys en masse in the 19th century.
  3. makarov
    makarov 17 December 2013 07: 50
    +4
    I believe that the author is exaggeratingly exaggerating, describing the GDP as a kind of dependent political figure dependent on the Amers and the West, which, when they shout, goes to compromise. I think that in this regard the author is mistaken, and at the same time, for some reason he is silent about the creation of a cyber-military force in the Russian Federation.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 17 December 2013 08: 40
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      the author exaggerates exaggeratedly, describing GDP as a kind of dependent political figure dependent on amers and the west

      Here in one place only there is a clear thickening of colors:
      Putin, in fact, followed the lead of the West and made his successor a more liberal, milder pro-Western politician.

      It seems to me that any head of state depends to one degree or another on the Western military-political bloc. But whether he makes compromises or tactical concessions depends on his orientation. It is possible that Putin, having exposed Medved to the West, simply turned on the "airborne defense system" (I would like to think that Serdyukov is from the same cage) and began to strengthen the weaknesses, and not "went on about", as the author writes.
      1. A. Yaga
        A. Yaga 17 December 2013 15: 02
        0
        Quote: Stanislav
        It is possible that Putin, having exposed Medved to the West, simply turned on the "airborne defense system" (I would like to think that Serdyukov is from the same cage) and began to strengthen the weaknesses, and not "went on about", as the author writes.

        Of course, I don't remember where I got the information from. When Putin "slipped" Medvedev to us for the elections, he obeyed the American ultimatum: either Medvedev or death to Ivanov. On the news, I myself saw how Putin came out of the negotiations as angry as a dog and at the same time "there was no face on him." So not everything is so simple. The author of the article seems to be right.
    2. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 17 December 2013 10: 25
      -3
      He just does not fumble. The wretched article does not correspond to the actual state of affairs. You can’t lead an army unless you know how to make stools.
  4. Sunjar
    Sunjar 17 December 2013 08: 22
    +8
    A latent war is waged against Russia at many levels, not only at the information (world outlook). Although the information is the most effective when the enemy destroys himself and considers it a blessing, the desire for life, when he agrees to be a slave, he rejoices at the same time, but does not see him point-blank that he is a slave. And in case of deviation from the course of his usual worldview he will also protect the existing system. The history of one’s state also has an important effect on human consciousness, when history is rewritten to please the enemy, the self-consciousness of a person, his self-identity is destroyed. Therefore, over the course of 20 years, we have been convinced that the Russian people are flawed, criminal, uncouth and barbaric. They also use genocide weapons against Russia: drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and they openly use chemicals under the pretext of drugs and vaccines. The link is attached: http://video.yandex.ru/users/kpe-inform/view/542/

    Many of our elites are well aware of what’s going on, however, due to their incomprehensible thirst for profit, they cannot abandon their plans. Someone was surely promised a place among the foreign elite (the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgan, etc.) that they would be equal with them. And for some, the feeling of being chosen and the thirst for unlimited power gives rise to sell their country and betray their people, ruining millions of lives.

    And our brains continue to powder us all the same, because if people begin to understand the processes taking place around, then the "navels of the earth" will cease to be them, and slaves will cease to be slaves. That those in power cannot afford.
  5. optimist
    optimist 17 December 2013 08: 35
    +9
    Article minus. In the current situation and with the current "guarantor" this war is IMPOSSIBLE to win !!! The "burden of the past" is too heavy. The connections of the GDP with the Yeltsin family, Sobchak, Chubais and Co. do not just go away. Those who brought him to power must have foreseen a "hook" on which he will sit forever ... The current political and economic system does not give Russia a single chance: we play and will play according to the rules set by the West. So, alas, further deterioration of the economic and political situation in the Russian Federation and a new "17th", in which some new, now unknown "Lenin" will get out on an "armored car" .... Now in the entire "vertical" of power there are people who have betrayed and sold Russia for the last 25 years, wholesale and retail. And hope for a "victory" led by these people can only be downright idiots ....
    1. negeroi
      negeroi 17 December 2013 08: 39
      -2
      Alarmists and defeatists to the wall. And you live only because the "guarantor" is "soft", Kassandr and Wang pity you.
      1. Yarik
        Yarik 17 December 2013 09: 22
        +7
        I personally don’t believe in his "pity". And I didn’t rest against him. And in general, there is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road. So they think.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 17 December 2013 16: 04
          0
          Quote: Yarik
          .And in general, beyond the MKAD there is no life. So they think

          In St. Petersburg there is no life, they think? Or in Sochi, in the opinion of "them" there is no life?
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 17 December 2013 13: 44
        +1
        Quote: negeroi
        Alarmists and defeatists to the wall. And you live only because the "guarantor" is "soft", Kassandr and Wang pity you.


        1. Well, we live because we dad and mom did this in due time laughing
        2. If you are a gracious serf who is alive until the gentleman casts a terrible glance - do not blame others for this laughing
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    3. Stanislas
      Stanislas 17 December 2013 09: 02
      +2
      What, have everything gone ??? belay
      Quote: optimist
      And hope for a "victory" led by these people can only be done
      You are an optimist ...
    4. Asgard
      Asgard 17 December 2013 09: 07
      +9
      In vain did you Alexey put a minus to the article, in general, everything is correct, just do not take VVP as an independent figure (as a person, this is a lazy guy who gets up late, is constantly late (to meetings and meetings)) )) Never (nothing)) brings it to an end ...... The author means "him" as a PERSONALIZATION of a certain patriotic orientation .... a trend in the media and "politics"))))
      The bet is made of course bad, Putinists will soon be disappointed)))) but the vector itself must be carried out ....
      There is a war who is here and on which side is not always clear))))) "figures" of the President, politicians, deputies are used by both sides)))) since these figures have a touch of "debility")))) and not always understand what they say and why ...
      You, as People, do not see whose side the politician is on, and he is not a politician - HE IS A FIGURE (and exchangeable))) You don't need to raise a fat or Putin instead of a flag - these are "clowns", I will list the figures - Sergey Mironov, Boris Gryzlov, Dmitry Medvedev , Naryshkin, Gena Zyuganov, Chubais, Khorkina, Valuev, Deputy Kabaev))))
      SIGN A STRONG PERSONALITY ??????? !!!!!
      Our so-called "elite" is an imitation, it will not be able to win in any war, they have already surrendered everything, just behind them are "smart guys" and are building a center of power (a la patriot))) This is a Trick ", but this is also a Stage in constructions ....
      GAMES, while they are underway, so let's say "for fun" - who will survive ????
      Therefore, do not climb there (in the forefront)))
      Russian People (with a capital letter) have no place among the "figures", they must not let themselves be controlled, well, here's an article - ON THE TOPIC)))))))
      you can’t write more specifically))))
      1. optimist
        optimist 17 December 2013 20: 13
        0
        Quote: Asgard
        SIGN A STRONG PERSONALITY ??????? !!!!!

        This is exactly the question putinoids ask. (No offense to you, I am aware that you are not his "adept"). It would be very surprising if the Jewish Masons put a strong and independent personality "on the kingdom". Strong personalities, as you know, appear at that moment in history when it is necessary (Lenin, for example). And now, some clowns. Led by a Siberian Crane ...
    5. Yarik
      Yarik 17 December 2013 09: 19
      0
      If I could, I would put a couple of dozen pluses to you. But, we have what we have. As in the situation with GDP.
    6. pahom54
      pahom54 17 December 2013 09: 34
      0
      for optimist
      I also put a minus to the article, but here you somehow do not correspond to your optimistic nickname with your statement.
      Despite the previous and present ties of GDP with anyone else, OU I CANNOT agree that he dances to the Western tune, does not twitch, does not try to restore sovereignty, which means, first of all, Russia's INDEPENDENCE from this Western tune ... I do not agree with your minor opinion and with the fact that some new "Lenin" will make a revolution - just such forces do not exist now.
      And speaking out that it is impossible for Russia to be reborn, we ourselves are ruining the idea of ​​the possibility of its (Russia) rebirth with these statements ...
    7. evgenm55
      evgenm55 17 December 2013 11: 06
      +1
      In general, I agree with many things. Only about the defeat - isn’t it too? Of course, the guarantor and those who follow him are not Joseph Vissarionovich with their guard, but they will fight, no, not for the people, not for the Motherland in the sense of how Patriots are used to perceiving it - they will fight for their financial flows, zones of influence, etc. - In general, for everything that was stolen from the people. But this very robbed, deceived people will fight precisely for the MOTHERLAND, for the future of their children and, as HISTORY shows, despite the terrible sacrifices, it destroys the enemy. My opinion.
      1. optimist
        optimist 17 December 2013 20: 16
        -1
        Quote: evgenm55
        but they will fight, no, not for the people, not for the Motherland in the sense that the patriots are used to perceiving it - they will fight for their financial flows, zones of influence, etc. - In general, for everything that was stolen from the people.

        Don't worry: their "puppeteers" will find a way to make their "fight" go to the benefit of those "puppeteers". Who will fight ??? In 91, the USSR surrendered without a single shot ...
  6. Sterlya
    Sterlya 17 December 2013 08: 43
    +2
    The information war against Russia has been waged since the formation of Russia. There is nothing surprising in this. It's just time to limit the "Freedom" of the word. excessive freedom. when, under the cover of freedom, ideas developed by the Naglosaks are carried out. and let all lovers of such a vault go to the Westerners. and we'll see what kind of right they get there. of course find fault with Russia they only give. and not a drop more.
    Everyone already knows very well what freedom of speech the "democrats" have.
    And the USSR began to destroy precisely under the calls of the West for freedom of speech. and our Judas picked up and carried for 30 pieces of silver
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 17 December 2013 12: 17
      +3
      Already 2182 books have been banned in the Russian Federation. Adolf Aloizovich Schicklgruber "My struggle" is banned in the Russian Federation, but in Israel it is studied at universities. Maybe she's not interesting to me. But who will decide for me what to read.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 20 December 2013 11: 24
        0
        Quote: Z.O.V.
        in Israel they study at universities

        Is it on sale there? While studying at a university in the USSR, I wrote a statement, signed it with the dean, wrote out a pass to the rare fund of the library (I don’t remember the exact name) and calmly studied books there that were not available elsewhere.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 17 December 2013 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: Sterlya
      The information war against Russia has been waged since the formation of Russia. There is nothing surprising in this. It's just time to limit the "Freedom" of the word. excessive freedom. when, under the cover of freedom, ideas developed by the Naglosaks are carried out. and let all lovers of such a vault go to the Westerners. and we'll see what kind of right they get there. of course find fault with Russia they only give. and not a drop more.
      Everyone already knows very well what freedom of speech the "democrats" have.
      And the USSR began to destroy precisely under the calls of the West for freedom of speech. and our Judas picked up and carried for 30 pieces of silver


      It was already - in this way (the prohibition of freedom of speech, censorship, the prohibition of books, in general thought crime) already two countries prosrali: RI revolutionary trash and the USSR. I remember the Air Force listening despite all the jammers, and books of any generally quality in samizdat only became more popular.
      It’s clear that the march on the rake spot is our everything, but do not call for it laughing
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 17 December 2013 16: 18
        0
        Quote: cdrt
        It was already - in this way (the prohibition of freedom of speech, censorship, the prohibition of books, in general thought crime) already two countries prosrali: RI revolutionary trash and the USSR.

        pissed away, among other things, because of the softness of some "comrades" - Nikolai II and Gorbachev.
        1. alone
          alone 17 December 2013 19: 11
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          pissed away, among other things, because of the softness of some "comrades" - Nikolai II and Gorbachev.


          Do you think these two could have brought the largest country in the world to collapse alone? Nifiga, they’re soft-bodied !! they took and destroyed the country! There the whole system worked for this. And these two turned out to be just traitors. Well, Nikolay, of course, you can Russian him it was conditionally called, but Mishka sold offal. and we all listened to this labeled ghoul and clapped our ears. Can it be so?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 17 December 2013 22: 38
            0
            Quote: lonely
            .Nikolay, of course, it could be called Russian conditionally, but Mishka sold offal. And we all listened to this labeled ghoul and clapped our ears. Can it be so?

            We proceed from different premises. You proceed from the fact that they deliberately went on betrayal, betraying the state they controlled. I proceed from the fact that they refused to fight, did not fight for the state, whose rulers they were, which is also a betrayal.
            You consider them traitors, I consider them cowardly traitors.
  7. Bigriver
    Bigriver 17 December 2013 08: 53
    +1
    Stupid but pretentious article.
    The author with some ease teurga juggles knowledge hidden from the eyes. How does a young man know what a choice the GDP faced or is facing?
    The ease of affirmation is extraordinary.
    Thus, Putin is faced with a choice: either to continue to insist on the sovereignty of Russia, or to go on about the United States in order to maintain stability.

    wassat laughing
    Somehow exotic, the author understands stability. As a result of the rejection of the national foreign policy, its priorities will we gain stability?
    Either he will be overthrown by his population, or he will be displaced through direct NATO attacks on Russian territory - such are the Western scenarios for Putin.

    wassat Yes, yes ... To recruit a population of 142 million people, aiming it at overthrowing the highest power - it's like "two fingers ..." In general, everything depends on the United States! Now, if it wants to, then let's go and overthrow it!
    In general, the topic is interesting, of course. Only the main threats here are not in the line of external - internal center. And along the line of influence from the external center (subject) on the elites and population of the object.
  8. IslamMoyReligion
    IslamMoyReligion 17 December 2013 09: 00
    -2
    It's always convenient to invent some kind of mythical enemies, isn't it !? Responsibility is removed from oneself or irresponsibility is explained. Unwillingness to know and understand what is happening outside the Moscow Ring Road (I exaggerate), about the existence of a different life, way of life, culture (and without culture without culture) leads to the fact that a civilian sticks on himself a cozy soft "world" full of amenities (Internet, sofa , tea, etc.) from which he occasionally climbs out to restore justice and, not knowing how to restore it, goes to extremes and calls it hysterics patrilism! Having calmed down and having written another patriotic and angry caricature against external enemies, he is pissed to make remarks even to a hooligan (after all, you can lose such a dear "little world").

    The fact that America is blown away no one doubts, and the new world KUKLOVODOM (with its growing volume of arms exports) will be Russia. The future greatness of Russia on the foreign policy front is undeniable. A threat awaits inside herself, in danger of collapse on a national and religious basis (one proposes to distribute AKMs to everyone, the other to separate the Caucasus, the third to ban Islam, etc.) It all starts with us inability and unwillingness to seek a common language, not to mention with alien cultures, languages ​​and narrow eyes (after all, they are so stupid all these non-Russians)!

    It will be the same as with the USSR, those who, in 88-90, are loudest in the smoking-rooms scolded a commie and a scoop, now nostalgic pictures with tears of tenderness spread about that life!

    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 17 December 2013 09: 12
      0
      Quote: IslamMoyReligion
      without culture

      This is generally transogenic pearl, it can hang for a long time. wassat Have you come up with? And here is another one:
      the new world Puppeteer (with its growing volume of arms exports) will be Ro
      ... Rosvooruzhenie? laughing
      1. negeroi
        negeroi 17 December 2013 09: 46
        +2
        Well, why are you doing this? A man tried, wrote, dreamed .. And you, like that, with two phrases, incomprehensible. One is understandably offensive. And if you do not like Rosvooruzhenie, we can puppete through the housing and communal services, in the end there is still Mail Russia!
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 17 December 2013 10: 07
          +2
          Quote: negeroi
          there is still Russian Post!

          It’s too early to declassify this weapon. He sends a mess to a dashing year, a parcel with a clockwork, he himself will die from a parcel ...
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    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 17 December 2013 09: 41
      0
      The site slows down - after "Ro" the text appeared. Seriously, I also thought about this option: just to destroy Russia in order to take possession of its wealth, as it turned out, is a costly and very long undertaking. Perhaps, it is easier, cheaper and faster for the global financial kagal to move to Russia for permanent residence and, under the pretext of its "hegemonization", tinker at everything here. This would be the worst option.
      It all starts with us with inability and unwillingness to seek a common language with each other, not to mention alien cultures, languages ​​...
      So start learning it right now, instead of scaring patriots with drive-off hooligans.
      those who 88-90gg loudest scolded the commie and scoop in smoking rooms, now nostalgic pictures with tears of tenderness spread about that life!
      I think they’re right now on the forums of Putin and Russia
  9. Alexey K.
    Alexey K. 17 December 2013 09: 02
    +3
    As far as I understand this is something like this.

    DALES PLAN FOR THE USSR

    Allen Dulles (1893-1969) worked for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) since its inception in 1947. In 1942-1945. led political intelligence in Europe. Director of the CIA 1953-1961. One of the organizers of intelligence and espionage and sabotage activities against the USSR and other socialist countries, the ideologist of the Cold War.

    The war will end, everything will somehow settle down, settle down. And we will throw everything that we have - all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people!

    The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos, we quietly replace their values ​​with fake ones and make them believe in these fake values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself.

    Episode after episode, a tragedy of grandiose scale will be played out for the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final, irreversible fading of their self-consciousness. For example, we will gradually erase their social essence from literature and art, wean artists, we will discourage them from engaging in image ... research, perhaps, of the processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings. We will do our best to support and raise the so-called artists who will instill and hammer into the human mind the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, all immorality. In government, we will create chaos and confusion.

    We will quietly, but actively and constantly contribute to the tyranny of officials, bribe takers, and unscrupulousness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples, primarily enmity and hatred of the Russian people - we will all cultivate this cleverly and inconspicuously, it will bloom terry color.

    And only a few, very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughing stock, find a way to slander them and declare them to be the scum of society. We will dig up spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of popular morality. We will shatter thus, generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood, youth, we will always place the main emphasis on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it. We will make of them cynics, vulgarities, cosmopolitans.

    This is how we will do it.

    A. Dulles. "Reflections on the implementation of American
    post-war doctrine against the USSR ”, 1945.
    1. evgenm55
      evgenm55 17 December 2013 12: 09
      +1
      I already spoke about it the same way: the Great Victory People surrendered their first state in the world to a socially-fair (even if not brought to the ideal) state for the opportunity to watch parnuhi on all channels, hot dogs on every corner, steal and sell everything and all. Morality, honor and honesty, faith, concern for neighbors and just for those in trouble - where did everything go? Although the number of churches and cathedrals built and restored should be the opposite ...
  10. Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 17 December 2013 09: 03
    +3
    Still, this rotten thing is war.
    May God give strength and faith to the military, so that it never exists.
  11. onega67
    onega67 17 December 2013 09: 13
    +1
    Well done author! specifically described what really happens!
  12. onega67
    onega67 17 December 2013 09: 17
    +3
    GDP understands what is really happening. and perfectly resists this. But the elites, driven by a thirst for profit, are gradually being sold to the West. And the steps taken by GDP are gradually overcoming this threat.
  13. dmb
    dmb 17 December 2013 09: 51
    +5
    It became a habit. Before analyzing the text, read the biography of the author. The habit did not disappoint. Korovin's biography easily explains the purpose of this article. I started with the Limonovites. I quickly realized that it was troublesome, low-profit, and sometimes also threatened with imprisonment. He tried to hook up with the communists, during the Seleznev era, and when he went wrong with the main party member. quickly dashed into the ranks of "experts" praising the authorities. Like all fake experts, he has very vague ideas about war in general and military opposition in particular, because he reads mostly fairy tales, composed by the same as he and passed off as "serious" analytics. Well, now for the essence of the article. Why is the stupidity of the next American colonel elevated to the rank of an axiom? According to his logic and the logic of Korovin, our President is more than an absolute monarch, he is equal to God. Picked off the President, Russia is gone. Maybe the "second circle": "advisers", "experts" and other shushara will disappear, because the new government will simply not need them. But they are still not all of Russia, but the worst part of it. And the people will somehow manage without the current President and without his advisers. And the Guarantor is not afraid of liberals. because there is nothing behind them, not even the State Department, which, apparently, also understood their futility. The Guarantor has to fear social upheavals. But what does the Americans have to do with it. This is his policy is being implemented in education, medicine, and even in defense until recently. And the tariffs are increased by his apparatus. And his appointees are plundering the budget. And the last thing; very refreshing "cow" thought about the imposition of liberal values ​​by Americans in the Middle East: especially in Qatar and the Saudis. Expert, damn it.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 17 December 2013 10: 49
      0
      Quote: dmb
      Expert, damn it.

      +++++++
      Where do such articles come from?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 17 December 2013 11: 08
        +3
        Quote: AK-47
        Where do such articles come from?

        hence
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    2. CALL.
      CALL. 17 December 2013 13: 03
      +1
      Hooray -Putinism is a trick. I agree that it is he who has to fear social shocks. Too much for GDP sins. Maybe lately the rhetoric has become more patriotic. Although until recently he was a prelude to the patriots of Russia, he called idiots on the air. Thanks to him for that.
  14. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 December 2013 10: 02
    +4
    Is Putin a strong leader? Did he tell you himself? Russia has these "pain points" above the roof, wherever you stick, there is a "pain point" everywhere, you do not need to have the entire NSA and CIA apparatus in your arsenal in order to understand that the economy is " pain point "? Certainly. Can you beat? You can. Can you kick well and everything will start to fall apart, will" strong "Putin help? No, of course. Social sphere is a" pain point "? Certainly, there is a complete and final collapse. Can you beat? Not even beat it is necessary, enough to blow. What has Putin done in 20 years? Nothing. Migrants and "Caucasian Mountain Eagles". Due to the abundance of articles on this topic even here on the site, it is not even necessary to say more. Not that "a sore point" - just a huge ulcer, and a very painful one. The army, well, only the Strategic Missile Forces protects us from total "democratization", let other types of troops not be offended, but the same paratrooper can break bricks with his head as much as he wants (a useful skill), and he too M1 Abrams I have no illusions about the army, for the superiority of the West is literally in everything from laziness to technology. Society is disunited as never before. Would such a "fan" of Russia as CIA Director William Casey be alive and still working, he would now dance in his office for joy, overcoming old age, and having danced would give the command to bring down the prices of gas and oil 2.0, as it was once done, after which the Russian economy will very quickly glue the flippers and pull the entire social sphere along with it, and then, while we stand in the "Lenin squares" and hold a meeting, it will quickly sit in its C-141 and fly to the Caucasus where he whispers in someone's ear: “Isn't it time for you to cut out the Russian jackals and gain independence?” The monkey will scratch his turnip with a golden pistol and say: “Te, indeed, Allah has stopped giving dengi, it's time for the sons of the mountains to rejoice!” What incredible?
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 17 December 2013 10: 35
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      I would give a command to bring down the price of gas and oil 2.0

      What's stopping John Brennan from dancing and crashing? Just that he is not "such a" lover "of Russia as CIA Director William Casey"? Did he tell you this himself? Who would know how lucky we are with the current director of the CIA ... Burdock, in a word.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 17 December 2013 10: 54
        +3
        Casey constantly pestered Reagan with his projects to support the "pigs" of the USSR, constantly flew to Pakistan and Egypt about the Stingers and the supply of weapons to the Mujahideen, temporarily made friends with the Chinese against the USSR, flew to Europe and pestered the European leaders there so that they would not sell in the USSR, technologies for oil extraction and pipe production, I said that the old man was almost the best friend of Prince Faisal in Saudi Arabia, an active peasant is shorter and proactive, and the current ones are just nerds who, apart from wiretapping, do not want to do anything, and they also go to work for girls time running, leaving the "Evil Empire" without scrutiny. God is still on our side, apparently once in American intelligence such leadership.
        1. evgenm55
          evgenm55 17 December 2013 12: 18
          +2
          Then, all the more so, our celestials and the Cheka, boobies are a lot of a shit - not to take advantage of such a moment. We would even read Ilyich about the current moment ...
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  15. IRBIS
    IRBIS 17 December 2013 10: 13
    +3
    Everything was mixed in the house of Oblonsky ...
    This is me about the article - everything to the heap. Trying to grasp the immense? The speculations and fictions that are presented as the ultimate truth ... There is a rational kernel, but it is lost among confused reflections on the fate of peoples, reflections of superficial and quick. In fact, they don’t even do such a primitive analysis of urine, and even less so, do not analyze the situation in the world. Somehow, this is my opinion ...
  16. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 17 December 2013 10: 16
    +1
    Quote: "... a signal to Vladimir Putin personally that if he continues his political line on the sovereignty of Russia, he ... he will be overthrown by his population, or he will be removed through direct NATO strikes on Russian territory - such are the Western scenarios for Putin. "

    Perhaps this is a violent fantasy of the author. Yes, NATO has similar scenarios of pressure on Russia. But in the context of the rearmament of Russia on new military equipment, the modernization of nuclear potential, to carry out direct attacks on Russian territory is tantamount to suicide in Europe.
  17. IslamMoyReligion
    IslamMoyReligion 17 December 2013 10: 27
    0
    Quote: Stanislav
    The site slows down - after "Ro" the text appeared. Seriously, I also thought about this option: just to destroy Russia in order to take possession of its wealth, as it turned out, is a costly and very long undertaking. Perhaps, it is easier, cheaper and faster for the global financial kagal to move to Russia for permanent residence and, under the pretext of its "hegemonization", tinker at everything here. This would be the worst option.
    It all starts with us with inability and unwillingness to seek a common language with each other, not to mention alien cultures, languages ​​...
    So start learning it right now, instead of scaring patriots with drive-off hooligans.
    those who 88-90gg loudest scolded the commie and scoop in smoking rooms, now nostalgic pictures with tears of tenderness spread about that life!
    I think they’re right now on the forums of Putin and Russia

    So all the same they recognized themselves !!! Quickly you decided, however! I have not seen a more primitive reaction. I ask you not to touch my nickname, it doesn’t concern you at all, do not be a bazaar woman write about the case. Thanks for the rest!
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 17 December 2013 11: 52
      -1
      Quote: IslamMoyReligion
      So all the same they recognized themselves !!!
      Recognized you.
      Quickly you decided, however!
      I decided when you still most likely walked under the table.
      My nickname, please do not touch, it does not concern you at all
      Where did I touch the nickname? Maybe something was misunderstood?
      do not be a bazaar woman write a case.
      In all your quotes given here, there is not a word on the matter, there is only a rotten bazaar, you have to answer. But for the version "Russia is the world hegemon" as a strategy for the collapse of Russia, thank you for reminding me.
  18. IslamMoyReligion
    IslamMoyReligion 17 December 2013 10: 31
    0
    Quote: negeroi
    Well, why are you doing this? A man tried, wrote, dreamed .. And you, like that, with two phrases, incomprehensible. One is understandably offensive. And if you do not like Rosvooruzhenie, we can puppete through the housing and communal services, in the end there is still Mail Russia!

    In vain do you jerk, this is not inevitable, good must be not only with fists but also with long hands!
  19. shurup
    shurup 17 December 2013 10: 42
    +1
    The author painted an egg, where the army is a shell.
    Without breaking the shell, evil Americans, playing on external temperature extremes, can boil an egg, rotten or allow a crocodile to hatch, which will grab amers by their eggs. But this is also an old technique.
    The new one consists in irradiating an egg with mutation waves and attempting to burn small holes with lasers in order to blow out the contents.
    But the thickening and metallization of the shell, coupled with mirroring, allows you to neutralize the effects and return the amers to their previous methods.
    As Comrade Zhukov: "Take care of your eyes, soldier, ... oops!"
  20. saag
    saag 17 December 2013 11: 06
    -2
    Quote: Asgard
    SIGN A STRONG PERSONALITY ??????? !!!!!

    Shoigu, for example
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 17 December 2013 11: 48
      0
      Quote: saag
      Shoigu, for example

      And what is his strength, if you remove the support of the President and the constant huge cash infusions into the departments that he directed and directs? Maybe that by his order left Serdyukov MO car with a flasher?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 17 December 2013 12: 35
        0
        Quote: IRBIS
        And what is his strength


        ... it is claimed that he is a Chingizoid, i.e. directly carries imperial aspirations at the genetic level. In our time, it is necessary, but not enough to build a "New World" on our lands from the East to the West and North and to the South ...
        By the way, GDP is also Imperial.
        To build a new world, the primacy of the “five higher” values ​​is necessary:
        1. The spiritual is higher than the material.
        2. General above personal.
        3. Justice is above the law.
        4. Service is above possession.
        5. Power is above property.

        Well, this suggests the necessary things -
        - Fast trial and reprisals against traitors, crooks and embezzlers, as a way to return the spirit of justice, people's confidence in the supreme power, the triumph of law and the greatness of truth.
        - Mercy for the lost and repentant (not knowing what they are doing).
        - The honor and glory of the righteous in the service of the Fatherland.
        - In appeals to the people - the use of primordial Russian names, and then a feeling outside the logic of evidence itself will distinguish the words of truth, it will root children with a voice of blood, the people will unite with the call of the heart.
        - A bet on the “coming of the Zemsky Sobor of All Russia”, convened by the popular assemblies of modern organizations of free and serving people, allowing to coordinate on top or complement the crafty elections, by the minds of representatives of different lands and to recognize the head of state, the sovereign, foretold by the prophets as the prophets.

        More details - http://www.peremeny.ru/books/osminog/6501
    2. evgenm55
      evgenm55 17 December 2013 12: 38
      +1
      Is this a joke? A provocation? The chick of the "family", a very close friend of the deacon's, is a patriot and a leader? His advertised Ministry of Emergency Situations in American caps famously helps everyone and everywhere, just not his own people - give examples? Here, as always, the troops are working. If he has not brought mind your department, what to say about the country?
  21. here and there
    here and there 17 December 2013 11: 18
    +4
    after the phrase - "will be displaced through direct NATO strikes on the territory of Russia" you can not read)))
  22. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 17 December 2013 11: 32
    +2
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  23. scorpido
    scorpido 17 December 2013 11: 49
    +2
    I do not agree with the author with everything. This is just one point of view. 100% of the alignment may be such that no one can even imagine it.
  24. Karabin
    Karabin 17 December 2013 12: 04
    +4
    Politics, history and philosophy are wonderful things. You can write anything, juggle facts and speculation, create conspiracy and war theories, drag some to Olympus and throw others off. In these areas, nothing is fully proven and nothing is refuted. Everyone decides for himself to accept the opinion of the next "prophet" or not. The main thing, gentlemen-comrades, without fanaticism, otherwise you have already recorded each other as traitors to the Motherland and are ready to put up against the wall.
  25. Tamparu
    Tamparu 17 December 2013 12: 11
    0
    This article has the right to life, since everything is reasonably written. The only question is whether this is true and whether this variant of the development of events has its own solutions to the GDP ... that's all. Chess, gentlemen, chess ...
  26. Begemot
    Begemot 17 December 2013 12: 27
    +1
    I am not ready to agree with the author in everything, although I liked the article as a whole. The use of weapons against explicit or implicit enemies in world history has never been a problem and did not require sufficient argumentation. What could be the look back on someone else's opinion if one country deals a nuclear strike on another? Whatever the reason, it will be condemned by some and approved by others. In a situation of network-centric aggression, Russia needs to react very harshly, up to military intervention on the provocative actions of puppets and small allies of the aggressor, which, for example, was done in Ossetia in 08.08.08. But this is not enough, it is necessary to behave much harder with Qatar and the Saudis, a couple - the other Iskander, who fell on the heads of the sponsors of the Wahhabi underground in Russia would have quickly cooled by unconventional love for the Almighty, and they should be squeezed in spite of the moans and cries of a liberal party. We have enough uninhabited regions above the 70-th latitude, let Wahhabism preach among themselves there, quickly return to the fold of traditional religion.
    As for domestic policy, it is necessary to immediately get out of the oil and gas impasse, stop embezzlement of the budget and channel revenues from the raw material industries to production within the country. Technologies must be developed and purchased by ourselves. Technologies will not be sold - they will have to be stolen, they will not be allowed to be stolen - they will have to be taken by force. There are a lot of examples in history, when a country in isolation was rapidly developing a lot, the same Japan in the late 19th, early 20th centuries. A wise and decisive leader is needed, Putin is, unfortunately, extremely indecisive, all his "harsh actions" are local in nature and do not lead to cardinal changes. In 2000, he promised the whole country to hit Gusya and Bereza over the head with a club, and that these "good Russians" successfully dumped, and the media (for whose open anti-Russian activities Putin was angry with the "poor Jews") were the mouthpiece of the liberal anti-Russian international, they have remained, and, in my opinion, have become even bolder and more harmful.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 17 December 2013 17: 08
      0
      Quote: Begemot
      But this is not enough, you need to be much tougher with Qatar and the Saudis

      To do this, you must have the means of persuasion. Fleet, submarines with cruise missiles. terrorists strike in Russia, so you need to respond to the territory of the enemy - the United States, Britain, Saudi Arabia. How are things with our submarine carriers of cruise missiles?
  27. saag
    saag 17 December 2013 12: 53
    -2
    Quote: IRBIS
    And what is his strength, if you remove the support of the President

    He has already sat out three different presidents at his post, are there many such officials?
    Quote: evgenm55
    Is this a joke? A provocation? Is the nestling of the "family", a very close friend of the deacon's, a patriot and a leader? His advertised EMERCOM in American caps famously helps everyone and everywhere, just not his own people - can I give examples?

    Neither one nor the other, but there will always be a certain amount of dissatisfied, I guess you probably have one surname to your heart, with the letter "C", but this is only in virtual reality :-)
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 17 December 2013 17: 48
      0
      Quote: saag
      He has already sat out three different presidents at his post, there are many such officials

      This does not mean strength, but about the ability to bend under the situation, while having its own benefit.
  28. Semenov
    Semenov 17 December 2013 13: 04
    +1
    It would be more correct not to have a network war, but an information war. The USSR collapsed as a result, first of all, of a loss in an information war (the leader of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Gorbachev, "died"). Understanding the importance of information warfare, cyber troops (in the Armed Forces) are being created in the Russian Federation. But there are radio stations (Silver Rain, Echo of Moscow) and TV channels (Rain, TNT), print media financed by state structures (Gazprom, etc.) and private individuals (the Bilalov brothers, etc.) close to government circles (Medvedev, Dvorkovich and etc.), who are pursuing a policy that is openly hostile to Russia to impose an alien way of life on the population. We should not forget the coordinated chorus of foreign "voices" and powerful print media that never stopped "broadcasting" to the USSR / Russia, not disdaining outright lies (recall the total information loss in the wars with Chechnya and Georgia). Against this background, opposed by well-known and powerful media (both foreign and domestic) - "Russia Today", scanty official news publications, and openly "pro-Kremlin" programs with hosts such as Pushkov and Prokhorova. But the Russian Federation has achievements that are spoken about very little. For example, recently I was surprised to learn that the cable-stayed bridge in Vladivostok is the largest in Europe; Russia has excellent unemployment rates; Putin is the second most popular person after Snowden; agriculture is subsidized several times less than in Europe and America. The time has ripened to create a department of "Goebbels's" total propaganda, the war is going on, and we are not scratching ourselves and are losing in this war in all directions.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 17 December 2013 13: 18
      +1
      Quote: Semenov
      cable-stayed bridge in Vladivostok - the largest in Europe
      what
      It is a pity that Vladivostok itself in Asia
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 17 December 2013 13: 53
        0
        Quote: Stanislav
        More correct is not a network war, but an information war

        Here already, perhaps, not only the war in the information field, but also in the moral, spiritual. You can treat the author of the article in different ways, his interpretation of the problem, but this problem exists and it is dangerous for Russia. There will always be an attempt to sabotage everything that is dangerous for the United States in our development, lobbying by the West of its interests, imposing the necessary morality and ideology. It would seem that there is no national multiplication table, but for a reason, at one time, the United States gave us tons of educational literature on economics and opened management training centers in Russia. Here, too, we were taught the necessary economy, an economy under the dollar, where the rules of the game will always be in favor of the "banker" from overseas. Fighting for our sovereignty, we need a national idea, and we need, first of all, to save and develop the three pillars of the state - education, health care, and the armed forces. You cannot win without this.
  29. sasska
    sasska 17 December 2013 14: 31
    0
    Quote: IslamMoyReligion
    It all starts with us with inability and unwillingness to seek a common language with each other, not to mention alien cultures, languages ​​and narrow eyes (because they are so stupid all these non-Russians)!


    “We do not rebel against coming to us and even against cohabiting a certain percentage of foreigners, giving them almost all citizenship rights with pleasure. We rebel only against their mass invasion, against the filling by them of our state and cultural positions. We are protesting against the ongoing settlement of Russia by non-Russian tribes, against the gradual seizure of land, faith and power from us ... Russia's misfortune is not only in government posts. No less severe dominance of foreigners is in the field of public and private labor. Are the most profitable crafts not in the hands of strangers? “So they are more talented than Russians if they get the upper hand,” they say ... What nonsense! The trouble is that foreigners do not take talent at all. They are pushed by less noble but more persistent qualities - sneakiness, tenacity, terrible support of each other and a boycott of the whole Russian. ”
    Mikhail Osipovich Menshikov,
    Russian thinker, publicist and public figure
  30. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 17 December 2013 14: 42
    0
    There will always be a struggle for people to be in shape. There will also be a holiday on our street, we will study the experience of Westerners in working with the masses in the vast expanses of the USSR and the world in general, and transfer this in practical form to their territory. Just to bring them to feelings and support forms of a sense of real borders. And the EU will feel the departure of countries to the CU in the distant future. The United States is already undergoing reform and Russia will also bring its 2 pennies to this business. It’s just an evolutionary movement and sin not to participate and, so to speak, reduce the flow rate with credit, do not have to be due to the number of blows.
  31. goody
    goody 17 December 2013 15: 18
    0
    Dear forum users! The backstage is why it’s called so-everyone who is on this side can only guess ...
  32. alicante11
    alicante11 17 December 2013 15: 43
    +1
    As already got this network centric. For one, the Americans in Iraq fought network-centrically against the Iraqi army; for another, the USA network-centrically collapsed the USSR. Why make tours on wheels? Americans just stupidly bought the Soviet elite, who surrendered them the country on a silver platter. Without a tagged traitor, all their network-centric bells and whistles would not be worth a damn. And now everything is very, very simple. We have an oligarchic monopoly capitalism. And the oligarchs need a profit. Profit more from migrants. Here they are being taken. Everything. There is no trickster at Amer’s politics here. The Caucasus is such a thing. The people should not unite in order not to bleed the oligarchs. Dissociated is easier to manipulate. And for this it is necessary to intimidate everyone so that they sit on holes and do not protrude. In the 90's this was a bandit deal. Now their place was taken by the cops and Caucasians. Americans are not omnipotent magicians. They are just stupid orcs, speaking the language of the scared.