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Combat knives (Russian combat knives) Part 1

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When I hear the phrase "combat knife", in my imagination there is an image of a shark - a predator, an ideal killer, not changed by evolution from the time of dinosaurs, who survived to this day and inspires horror to any ocean dweller. Perhaps it was the shark's tooth that prompted the primitive man to cut the stone, giving it the shape of a battle knife, which also existed from ancient times to this day, without undergoing significant changes.
There is an opinion among collectors that the term “Russian combat knife” has no right to exist. They say that the knife was a legguard, there was a baginet, there was a bayonet, but there was no military Russian knife. Although the "Word of Igor's Regiment" and the chronicles tell us the opposite - the Russian tradition of knife fighting is much more powerful than the analogous traditions of any other state. It was a knife, and later with a bayonet attack, the Russians terrified the enemy.

Interesting historical fact - in the armies of Western Europe the bayonet was "weapons last chance. The concept of "bayonet attack" practically did not exist there, and the deadly attachment to the trunk of the musket served only for defense.
The Russian deadly offensive bayonet attack has become a legend. The great Russian commander Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov generally introduced her into a cult, relegating to the background the importance of bullet firing from firearms. His winged saying “Bullet is a fool, a bayonet is well done” is known to every Russian who is interested in the history of his homeland. However, the most famous was and remains the bayonet for the rifle of the remarkable Russian designer and organizer of the gun production, Sergei Ivanovich Mosin.

The bayonet to the SI rifle. Mosina 1891 / 1930's Sample

Combat knives (Russian combat knives) Part 1

Designed on the basis of the bayonet for the Berdan rifle of the 1870 model of the year, the four-sided bayonet entered service with the Russian army along with the Mosin rifle in the 1891 year.


It was a terrible melee weapon. A half-meter four-sided needle blade inflicted deep penetrating wounds, accompanied by severe damage to internal organs. In addition, the small inlet did not allow to assess on the spot the depth of penetration of the bayonet into the body and the severity of the injury, which could result in internal bleeding and infections that lead to peritonitis and, as a result, to death.
Practically unchanged, the Mosin rifle bayonet existed for half a century, having survived its peak in the revolution and the Civil War. In the Great Patriotic War, he caused the death of a considerable number of Hitlerites and a symbol of the people's liberation war against the Nazi invaders, which is reflected in many posters of the time.

Army Knife (ON-40)


Just before the Great Patriotic War, the weapon of Russian warriors was born, no less legendary than the Mosin rifle bayonet, the famous ON-40 (“army knife”), or HP-40 (“scout knife”), adopted by 1940 year , immediately after the Soviet-Finnish war. The second more popular, but historically less correct name is due to the fact that this knife armed reconnaissance units and sub-machine gunners.
The narrow - up to 22 mm - ON-40 blade allowed, with the least resistance, to put it between the enemy's ribs and at the same time lightened the weight of the knife itself. The wooden handle and scabbard served the same purpose and at the same time cheapened production.

Army knife Ural Volunteer Tank Corps


An interesting historical fact: in 1943 the Ural Volunteer was formed tank a corps fully equipped with over-planned labor and voluntary donations from workers in the Urals. It was a gift to the front from people already working to the limit of human capabilities, an example of the mass labor heroism of workers.

Finca NKVD


It was the Soviet-Finnish war that was an experience that revealed the shortcomings of the intelligence and sabotage activities of Soviet specialists behind enemy lines, including their lack of a multifunctional universal combat knife. With the help of which, it is possible to remove the enemy sentry without any noise, and it is possible to equip a temporary parking lot or caches in the forest, and to make snowshoes, and to drag a wounded comrade out of the improvised material quickly. Therefore, based on the uniform bayonet of the 1919 sample of the year and the Finnish scout knife, the legendary ON-40 was created.
However, I don’t think that it was the Soviet-Finnish war that opened the eyes of Russian gunsmiths to the advantages of the recent enemy’s combat knives. "Finca" was known in Russia and was popular even before the revolution. And although the Finnish knife was legally banned from the 30 in the USSR, in the same years it became a special tool of the NKVD in a slightly modified form.
The so-called “Finnish NKVD,” or “Norwegian-type knife,” shown in the photo, was produced at the Trud factory (before the revolution, the Kondratov industrialist’s factory) in the Vacha village of the Nizhny Novgorod region in the 40s. Although in reality this particular knife has no relation to Finland - the model is copied from a Swedish hunting knife by the work of the famous master Pontus Holmberg from Eskilstuna.

Pontus Holmberg Hunting Knife from Eskilstuna


The same knife, a prototype of the famous "Finnish NKVD", or "knife of the Norwegian type," about which they talk so much and which few people have seen even in the photo. Swedish hunting knife produced by Pontus Holmberg from Eskilstuna, the photo of which was provided, at my request, specifically for the project “Fighting Knives” by the author of several books on this subject Andrei Arturovich Mac.

Fink NKVD, modern version


Currently, the "Finnish NKVD" is produced from modern materials, its design has been significantly redesigned. Garda became almost straight, the top of the hilt “rounded”. The handle itself can be either made entirely of wood or coated with leather.

Knife Army sample 1943, "Cherry"


In 1943, the garda, the handle and the sheath of the NA-40 underwent significant changes and the Soviet intelligence officers were armed with an even more successful design - the HP-43 knife with a straight guard, leather sheath and a durable plastic handle, topped with a metal top - if you could wedge something , and the enemy on the head to caress. The knife was called "Cherry". The design was so successful that it is still in service with a number of Russian special forces.

Knife scout special (LDC)


In 60 in the USSR, the NRS was developed (a special scout knife), designed to defeat the enemy in battle with both a blade and a firing mechanism located in the handle and representing a short barrel and trigger. The NRS shot the silent cartridge SP-3 with a bullet caliber 7,62 mm sample 1943 year.

Special Scout Knife - 2 (НРС-2)


In 1986, the LDCs were upgraded to LDC-2. The blade of the knife became spear-like, the saw on the butt decreased almost by half, the cartridge SP-3 was also replaced with also silent SP-4 with an unusual cylindrical bullet, despite the “hemp-shaped” shape piercing the standard helmet at a distance of twenty meters. Cocking is carried out by a special lever placed on the handle, the descent by another lever located on its end part. Recharging is done by extracting the barrel, which takes an average of 1 – 2 minutes. Currently, the LDC-2 is in service with the intelligence units of the airborne troops and the marines, as well as special forces of the internal affairs bodies and units of the internal troops of the interior ministry.

Bayonet to 7,62 mm Kalashnikov assault rifle 1949 of the year


However, the best-known to every citizen of our country is the Russian combat knife is a bayonet to the Kalashnikov machine gun. The first model of the Kalashnikov AK, adopted by the Soviet army in 1949, did not have a bayonet at all. Only in the 1953 year, together with the so-called lightweight AK machine gun, the "bayonet-knife product" 6X2 "was adopted, which had the same blade as the bayonet to the self-loading rifle SVT-40 and differed only by the fixation mechanism. According to experts, the "bayonet knife product" 6X2 "was a very successful design.

Experimental knife R.M. Todorov 1956 model year


A prototype of the bayonet for AKM served as a regular knife of the reconnaissance and sabotage units of the Navy designed by Lieutenant Colonel R.M. Todorova sample 1956 year. Judging by the suspension of Todorov’s knife, he simply hung on his belt like an ordinary HP.
Todorov’s experimental knife came to the attention of Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov’s employees who were engaged in developing a promising bayonet, and was reworked for AKM with a change in a number of knots, retaining the blade almost unchanged. And since that time, designers of almost all countries manufacturing weapons in one form or another have copied it.

Bayonet to AKM model 1959 of the year


In the 1959 year, when the AK-47 machine was upgraded to AKM, the bayonet “knife” of the “6X2” product was replaced with a lighter and more versatile one developed on the basis of an experimental knife designed by Lieutenant Colonel R.M. Todorov, which was mentioned above. But the new bayonet, the “product 6X3”, was soon again upgraded to the AK-74 machine gun, which replaced the AKM.

Bayonet to AKM and AK74 model 1978 of the year


This bayonet became a kind of visiting card of the Soviet Union with the AK-74 submachine gun. I don’t deceive myself if I say that the Kalashnikov assault rifle is the most famous and popular weapon of the last century, adopted for service in fifty-five countries of the world. On the flag and coat of arms of the Republic of Mozambique there is an image of a Kalashnikov assault rifle with a closed bayonet, which symbolizes the struggle for the independence of the country. Also the Kalashnikov assault rifle can be seen on the arms of the Democratic Republic of East Timor and the Republic of Zimbabwe.

Bayonet to AK-74 model 1989 of the year


In all honesty, this is a completely different bayonet, a little like its predecessor. Perhaps, the similarity remains only in the form of a scabbard and the presence of a characteristic hole in the blade. The shape of the blade and the handle, the material from which the handle and the sheath are made, as well as the form of attachment have changed - now the Russian bayonet is located in the horizontal plane to the right of the new Nikonov AN-94 submachine gun adopted by the Russian army.
The engineers of the Izhevsk plant, who created the last sample of a regular bayonet, believe that this method of fastening will help to avoid jamming the blade between the ribs of the enemy. And, perhaps, this has its own specific reason, because such a position of the blade is characteristic of many schools of knife fighting. Although the previous one, in general, has not been canceled, the knife flies into the enemy's stomach and in the vertical plane.

Stroporez of the Airborne Forces of the USSR


I can not fail to mention such an interesting weapon of this particular type of troops, as the regular cutter of the Airborne Forces of the USSR. Despite the purely practical purpose of this knife - to cut entangled parachute slings in the event of non-disclosure of the main dome when landing on a tree or on the water, it is a military weapon. And quite serious, given the ability of a two-sided saw to inflict ripped wounds. If, on the basis of the principle that “any object is a weapon in the Airborne Forces,” in addition to sharpen the blunt sheet-like part of the blade to the proper sharpness, the cutter becomes a fully-fledged hand-to-hand combat weapon.

Stroporez of the Russian Airborne Forces


Modern Russian knife-cutter is an automatic knife with frontal blade ejection, having a double-sided sharpening in the absence of a piercing tip.

Regular diving non-magnetic knife


Now I would like to say a few words about Russian diving knives. Today, only professional divers and, perhaps, collectors can meet classic diving knives, which are characterized by large sizes and have a developed handle with large stops, allowing you to securely fix the knife both in the bare hand and in the diving glove. The materials of such knives are made of special non-magnetic alloys, mainly titanium. The blade is extremely durable and can have several types of sharpening, as well as special tools and screwdrivers. On the butt, there is often a metallic top, which can be used as a hammer. The photo shows a regular non-magnetic diving knife, which consisted in supplying submarine sappers of the Soviet Union, who, in accordance with the requirements for magnetic visibility when working with high sensitivity magnetometric fuses, should not have magnetic equipment elements.

Regular diving knife with a ring


The method of fixing a knife in a sheath with the help of a threaded joint was widely used in the armies of various states, including Germany, Italy and the USA. Such a blade fixation was used in the USSR as well in the regular naval diving knife shown in the photo. The blade of this knife is a classic shape, made of corrosion-resistant steel, the handle is made of treated wood.
The ring on the handle serves to secure the cord to prevent accidental loss of the knife. Despite the external elegance, the knife is quite heavy, its weight with scabbard reaches one kilogram, and the dimensions of the handle allow you to confidently use it with a hand dressed in a diving glove. The fastening of the scabbard on the belt is rigid due to the metal brace into which the diving belt is being threaded. This is necessary in order to have the opportunity, with one hand not holding the scabbard, to make the 3 – 4 half-turn the handle, freeing the knife fixed at the mouth of the sheath by a threaded connection.

Universal Diving Knife (NVU)


The combat knife presented in the photo was a regular knife of light divers of the USSR Navy and is still used by naval reconnaissance and anti-SSV units (underwater sabotage forces and equipment) as cold weapons and for work underwater or on land.
The blade of NVU is equipped with a serreytor for sawing ropes, ropes and steel networks. Plastic sheath, with the possibility of two-point attachment to the lower leg or forearm. The sheath of the NVU is attached with a rubber lining on the handle. This method of fastening reduces the time to remove the knife, but practically eliminates the possibility of losing it. DDP has negative buoyancy, in other words, it sinks. But, drowning and reaching the bottom, it becomes in a vertical position on the ground with the handle upwards, which facilitates its search under water in case of loss. There is a non-magnetic modification of the NVU-AM knife, on which there is no serreytor.

Sea Devil


However, in addition to the bayonet to the Kalashnikov assault rifle in Russia, a sufficiently large number of developments of short-bladed combat weapons were and are being conducted. I want to tell about some of them, in my opinion the most interesting ones. The knife was named "Sea Devil" with the light hand of combat swimmers involved in the testing of new types of cold weapons.
The designer of the knife is Igor Skrylev, the author of many developments in the field of creating combat knives, adopted by special units of the Russian army and fleet. The “Sea Devil” is a wide-profile knife that can be successfully used by both combat swimmers and special forces of other military branches to solve a wide range of tasks.

Storm


Experimental model of a universal knife for marines. The creation of universal knives has always attracted designers who are developing new models of cold arms, but solving a wide range of tasks with the help of a single tool is almost impossible.
The knife "Storm" has a stainless steel blade and a shockproof, chemically inert handle, as a result of which it can be used for melee by the units of the Marine Corps for which it was actually designed. The knife is purely combat - due to the lack of a saw on the butt and a serreytor on the blade, it can hardly be considered as universal.

Lynx


The knife was made by order of the Moscow SOBR by the company "AiR" from the city of Zlatoust. There are three options - a combat knife, an award combat knife and a civilian modification. The photo shows the combat version. The award option is different in that it is made with gilding, but according to its tactical and technical characteristics it does not differ from the combat one.

DV-1 and DV-2

The DV-1 and DV-2 knives, which differ only in blade length, were developed by order and in cooperation with the soldiers of the Far Eastern special forces. Their names also indicate this - DV means “Far Eastern”. These are massive camping knives that can withstand heavy loads and be used for the most difficult jobs.

The photo shows a knife DV-1 with a spear blade and additional sharpening on the butt. The handle of the knife is made of Caucasian walnut, steel guard and pommel of the same material. The knife DV-1 all-metal shank passing through the handle, screw assembly and leather sheath.


The photo shows the export version of the DV-2 knife from a limited edition, differs from its serial progenitor in the materials used. His blade is made of steel Z60 instead of carbon steel 50XXNNUMXМФ usual for these knives, and the knife handle is made of leather, while in the base case it is made of walnut.
At first glance, the knife makes an impression with its size. Its full length is 365 mm, and the length of the blade is 235 mm. To protect against corrosion and prevent unmasking glare, a matte black coating is applied to the blade. Descents from the half of a click even with a solid thickness in 5,8 mm provide a good cut. On the butt of the blade there is a section with a bevel that forms a not wedge, which is used for cutting bones. The notch in front of the guard (choyle) allows you to intercept the knife, passing the guard between the index and middle finger. This grip is used to facilitate the pulling out of the stuck knife, as well as for a number of works, where such an arrangement of the brush on the knife provides better handling.
DV-2 has a double-sided guard that perfectly protects the arm. The handle, assembled from tightly fitted leather discs, has an oval cross-section. The handle ends with a massive top used for traumatic purposes. The tops are put on the through shank and tightened on it with a flat nut. The sheath of a knife is a classic design, of two layers of thick leather, interconnected by rivets. Suspension is vertical, with a strap, securely fixing the handle.

chastener

Knives of the "Punisher" series are designed and manufactured for the power units of the FSB of Russia by ZAO Melita-K, which has been producing high-quality knives since 1994, including a wide range of combat knives and daggers.


"Punishers" are available in two versions - "VZMAH-1" and "Maestro". In addition, there are modifications that differ in the material of the handle (typesetting leather, rubber or craton). “VZMAH-1” differs in the root part of serreytor sharpening, and “Maestro” differs in serritor sharpening from above, type of scabbard and type of blade finishing (antiglare, black or camouflage). Garda double sided. The wide blade is convenient for digging and allows, if necessary, to use the knife as an additional support on the slopes with loose soil. The cutting part of the blade has a sickle-shaped depression, which allows to increase the length of the cutting edge while maintaining the linear dimensions. The knife is completed with a sheath of high-quality leather or aviSent, allowing it to be fixed on the arm, leg, belt and elements of combat or hiking gear. Knife "VZMAH-1" officially adopted.

Vityaz HCH


Knives "Vityaz NSN", "Vityaz NM", "Vityaz" were developed by order of the President of the "BKB" Vityaz "Hero of Russia S.I. Lysyuk for equipping special forces. A distinctive feature of the design is a large heavy blade with a narrow blade, which allows to maintain the inertia of movement, reduce weight and increase penetrating ability on impact, an anatomically convenient guard that allows you to hold the knife in your hand.

Antiterror


Knife "Antiterror" designed and manufactured for the security forces of the FSB of Russia. The blade of the knife has a petal shape, which allows maximum use of the working area of ​​the blade and increases its cutting properties. The configuration of the blade has high penetrating power, the cutting part has a sickle-shaped depression, which allows to increase the length of the cutting edge while maintaining the linear dimensions. Reinforced the back of the blade. Standard ergonomic guard does not allow the hand to slide off at the moment of striking.

Katran


Combat knives of the Katran series differ in blade type and handle material. Knives of the “Qatran” series, depending on the modification, are used as an underwater knife, combat knife or survival knife. The handle of the knife has a double-sided guard and metal tops. Handle material - type leather, rubber or craton depending on the modification.
"Katran-1" - underwater combat knife. Blade with a one-and-a-half sharpening. On the butt sharpening is made in the form of a wave-like saw. In the root part there is a hook for cutting nets and serreytor sharpening. Rubber handle. Plastic sheath with straps for hanging on the leg. The coating of metal parts is black chrome.
“Katran-1-С” is the land version of this knife. Differs blade material: steel 50X14 MF. Anti-glare treatment of metal parts. The handle is made of leather. Leather sheath with plastic liner.
"Katran-2" - a hunting knife with a one-and-a-half sharpening. On the butt sharpening has an angle, designed for felling. Anti-glare treatment. The handle is made of leather. The sheath is leather.
"Katran-45" - a combat knife. An exclusive model designed by order of the 45-th regiment of the Airborne Forces. Differs in the presence of a blade on the blade of the saw on the metal, anti-reflective coating. The handle is made of leather. Leather sheath. There is an option with camouflage coating of metal parts.

Shaitan


The “Shaitan” combat dagger was developed in 2001 year by request and in cooperation with the officers of the power unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Tajikistan. Combat dagger "Shaitan" is available in two versions: the handle - typesetting leather and skeletal type ("Shaitan-M"). The knife has a narrow leaf blade with double-sided sharpening. At the root of the sharpening done serreitor. Serreitor is designed to be used as a strop cutter, easily cuts a climbing rope with 10-12-mm. The shape of the blade is designed for applying deep cut wounds, as well as for the greatest use of the working part of the blade. The garda and the handle are symmetrical. Also, "Shaitan-M" can be used as a throwing knife that can withstand up to 3000 throws. Handle from typeset leather, subjected to special treatment. All metal parts have anti-glare treatment.

Akela


The knife "Akela" was developed by request of SOBR as a "police" knife. A distinctive feature is its small size, which allows you to work in cramped urban environments, crowded places, where it is impossible to use firearms. The knife is a dagger type, double-edged, the blade has an anti-reflective coating (black chrome). The handle is made of MBS rubber, conveniently lies in the hand. The top is metallic, has a hole under the lanyard.

Smersh-5


Knife "Smersh-5" - a classic combat knife. The prototype of this knife was used during the Second World War (HP-43). The blade of the knife has a high penetrating power. The ergonomic guard does not allow the hand to slide off during the stroke. The upper butt of the guard is designed for additional pressure when cutting hard objects.

Viper


The sample shown in the photo was adopted by the special units of the FSB. Knife "Gurza" consists of two versions and has a narrow blade with a one-and-a-half sharpening. On the butt, part of the sharpening is done with a serrayator. Serreytor increases the combat capabilities of the knife, and is also used for cutting ropes and cables, and only as a substitute for saws.

Cobra


The combat knife "Cobra" was developed by request of the SOBR of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. This is a small dagger with a narrow blade and a two-sided, anatomically comfortable guard. "Cobra" is a serious weapon that allows to solve combat missions in crowded places where the use of firearms is excluded. This dagger is designed not only for an injection, the shape of its blade allows the use of cutting and chopping techniques, both with direct and reverse grip.

Explosive technician


This large and powerful knife with a blade length of 180 mm is designed to order the demining units of the FSB. "Vzryvotehnik" was created as a universal knife, designed to perform the functions of military weapons, a survival knife and an engineering tool. Currently officially accepted for supply. The blade is symmetrical, with differentiated sharpening - on the one side of the blade is the usual sharpening, on the other is a small serrer. The wooden handle has a steel top, which can be used both in combat and as a hammer.

Dagger of Financial Intelligence of Russia


The combat knife presented in the photo, made by AiR (Chrysostom), retains all the features of a classic dagger - a double-edged blade, symmetrical guard and a handle. This dagger is interesting in that it seems to be the only case in modern Russia that the tradition of departmental weapons has been revived, which, being a military model, also indicates that it belongs to a strictly defined state structure.
A small and only batch of this combat knife was made in 2008 year by order of the Financial Monitoring Service specifically for its employees. The dagger is made of stainless steel, the handle is a type-setting leather, a guard and an aluminum cap.

OZ-4


The abbreviation "OC" stands for "TsKIB Weapon". The OZ-04 knife was developed at the Tula Central Design Research Bureau (TsKIB) at the end of 80-x - the beginning of 90-x and was intended for special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
The knife has a very massive structure, the thickness of the butt - 7 mm. The blade has a small bevel in the front. On the butt of the blade there is a double-row saw, but due to the low height of the teeth, its efficiency is relatively low, especially when sawing raw wood. The handle is symmetrical, with a double-side guard, made of plastic and has a large grooved for better retention.
Iron sheath riveted from two halves. In them, the blade is held by a spring-loaded plate, like AK bayone-knives. The sheath has a leather loop for the classic location of the knife on the belt. Also included are leather adjustable straps that allow you to place the knife on the body and equipment in several ways.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 18 December 2013 09: 09
    +9
    Interesting and useful educational material !! +
  2. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 18 December 2013 09: 22
    +7
    Very interesting! Thanks for the material to Dmitry Olegovich!
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 18 December 2013 09: 28
    +4
    I learned new things for myself. I also have a couple of three tricky Zlatoust knives, I like them.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 05
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      Quote: Igor39
      I learned new things for myself. I also have a couple of three tricky Zlatoust knives, I like them.


      Well, as for the lover of Zlatoust knives, I can deploy this:

      ... An interesting historical fact: in the 1943 year the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps was formed, fully equipped due to over-planned work and for voluntary donations from Ural workers. It was a gift to the front from people already working to the limit of human capabilities, an example of the mass labor heroism of workers ...

      In the 1943 year, the workers of the Zlatoust tool factory manufactured and handed army knives of the 1940 model of the year to their fellow countrymen who went to the front: the entire composition of the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps - from the rank-and-file to the commander (in total, 3356 knives were awarded). A distinctive feature of these knives was the color: both the sheath, along with the metal device, and the NA-40 handles were painted “radical black” :). At the front, German intelligence immediately drew attention to the non-standard armament of the arriving Soviet tankmen, and began to call the Ural tank corps "Schwarzmesser Division" - "Black Knives Division". In battles, the “Black Knife Division” earned the guards title, becoming the 10th Guards Ural Volunteer Tank Corps, and with battles reached Prague, where the Ural tank crews ended the war with honor.

      Replicas of this knife in the "civilian" version are still produced by the plant today, here is a brief advertisement:

      - ... The "Black Knife" of the Zlatoust plant is an exact copy of the HA-40 with one exception: the blade thickness is reduced to 2,2-mm, which brought the "Black Knife" out of the "combat weapon" category. Therefore, the copy of HA-40 is a household knife, and it can be bought and used by any citizen of Russia without any problems with the police (the factory also supplies with the knife a certificate of household use for this device). This opens up the opportunity for collectors to get another relic in addition to the rarities already on sale - Nagan, TT and PPSh, made in pneumatic or signal form, and therefore available to any citizen of the Russian Federation interested in history ... hi
  4. report4
    report4 18 December 2013 10: 00
    12
    The historical part is quite interesting, but advertising a bunch of modern squalor turns the entire article into a brochure.
    1. avt
      avt 18 December 2013 10: 36
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      Quote: report4
      The historical part is quite interesting,

      The bayonet is shown, and where is the bayonet bayonet from the CBT ??
      Quote: report4
      but advertising a bunch of modern squalor turn the entire article into a brochure.

      Apparently you mean the knives of "Melita"? By the way, something to me the photo "The Sea Devil" reminds me of the "Peregrine Falcon" - a variant of a survival knife, with a harpoon-skinner, and the size. It would be nice if the author was to the knives I added technical characteristics, but so, in my opinion, a general overview. Let's wait for the second part.
      1. Astrey
        Astrey 18 December 2013 23: 49
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        Quote: avt
        The bayonet is shown, and where is the bayonet bayonet from the CBT ??

        We will wait for the next parts of this paper. )
  5. alex-cn
    alex-cn 18 December 2013 10: 04
    +3
    A good article, clearly, clearly, and to the point. It is a pity that the author did not give materials on the old combat knives of the Russian army, although he seems to have swung at this, and there were very rich traditions both among the Cossacks and national ones. However, I suspect that this material is not for one article.
    Can you take a chance?
  6. Berserker
    Berserker 18 December 2013 10: 07
    +2
    Great article! +
  7. 505506
    505506 18 December 2013 10: 17
    +3
    It seems not difficult to take disparate articles and merge into one. But try to do it !!! The author is a big plus! The article is understandable, easy to read and informative!
  8. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 18 December 2013 10: 19
    +2
    "Today, only professional divers and, perhaps, collectors can find classic diving knives."

    I had to hold this in my hands, leaving a double impression. Looks like a sword from an ancient excavation.
    1. Hon
      Hon 18 December 2013 11: 00
      0
      every whim for your money. Do you want to tell me where to buy Japanese military swords of the 1937 model? perfect condition, from the military depots in Japan.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 18 December 2013 11: 08
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        Quote: Hon
        every whim for your money. Do you want to tell me where to buy Japanese military swords of the 1937 model? perfect condition, from the military depots in Japan.

        I didn’t seem to write anywhere that I collect edged weapons or I want to purchase something. request
        1. Hon
          Hon 18 December 2013 17: 05
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          Quote: Vladimirets
          I didn’t seem to write anywhere that I collect edged weapons or I want to purchase something.

          I mean that now you can buy absolutely everything. in the presence of funds naturally.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 18 December 2013 17: 26
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            Quote: Hon
            I mean that now you can buy absolutely everything. in the presence of funds naturally.


            I agree. yes
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      2. Hort
        Hort 18 December 2013 13: 39
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        Tell me, you can in PM :)
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 18 December 2013 15: 56
          +7
          Quote: hort
          Tell me, you can in PM :)

          All the Japanese military swords of the 1937 model (and not only) in Russia in perfect condition, from the military warehouses of Japan are made either in Odessa, on Malaya Arnautskaya, or in Rostov-on-Don by Armenian "metallurgists". wink
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 18 December 2013 16: 08
            +5
            Quote: IRBIS
            All the Japanese military swords of the 1937 model (and not only) in Russia in perfect condition, from the military warehouses of Japan are made either in Odessa, on Malaya Arnautskaya, or in Rostov-on-Don by Armenian "metallurgists".


            Kamrad! The hut did not fall! I also did not sell the first 1 000 swords ...

            crying
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 18 December 2013 16: 16
              +2
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Kamrad! The hut did not fall! I also did not sell the first 1 000 swords ...

              I still have a hundred left, I rent in bulk, for skewers ...
          2. Hon
            Hon 18 December 2013 16: 39
            +2
            the seller is ready to provide any sample for examination. only three kai-gunto and shin-gunto swords. the photo looks like the original.
            or Armenian metallurgists assy fakes.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 18 December 2013 17: 08
              +3
              Quote: Hon
              the seller is ready to provide any sample for examination.


              The price from 100 000 rubles, and this despite the fact that the workmanship was lame in Japan in those years on both legs?
              Thank you, but they are doing better in Odessa. hi


              Quote: Hon
              the photo looks like the original.


              Naval Officer Sword (Kai Gunto), Type 97:
              1. Hon
                Hon 18 December 2013 17: 27
                0
                Quote: Karlsonn
                The price is from 100 000 rubles, and this despite the fact that the workmanship was lame in Japan in those years on both legs? Thank you, but in Odessa they are doing better.

                Who cares? I do not sell, I just know who sells. 100 price expertise? sure cheaper. About quality, it depends on what to compare. if with swords forged in accordance with the millennia-old tradition of making a real Japanese sword, or even gendaito, then of course the gunto swords will be inferior, all the same mass production. but still where is the information about lame quality? had the opportunity to check?
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 18 December 2013 17: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Hon
                  100 000 price expertise? sure cheaper.


                  No, this is the average price of such swords in good condition.

                  Quote: Hon
                  but still where is the information about lame quality? had the opportunity to check?


                  Faced. hi
                2. pensioner
                  pensioner 18 December 2013 20: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Hon
                  100 000 price expertise? sure cheaper.

                  Spectral analysis for the establishment of a metal brand + historical examination and the truth will be established with a 100% guarantee ... For example, I can do this for free, but given the high material well-being of interested parties (for example, Carlson) I am waiting for concrete proposals for an examination ... repeat
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 18 December 2013 21: 51
                    +2
                    Quote: retired
                    For example, I can do all this for nothing, but given the high material well-being of interested parties (for example, Carlson), I am waiting for concrete proposals for an examination ...


                    with a howl runs away from komentov and jumps into a trench
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner 18 December 2013 22: 17
                      +2
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      with a howl runs away from komentov and jumps into a trench

                      laughing But seriously, the historical examination will certainly be superfluous. If spectral analysis establishes that in the manufacture of this sepucco steel was used conditionally 38khmyu brand, then the Odessa trace can be safely suspected ...
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 December 2013 22: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: retired
                        then you can safely suspect the Odessa trace ...
                      2. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 19 December 2013 01: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: retired
                        But seriously, the historical examination will certainly be superfluous.


                        this is superfluous, swords of the 1937 of the year are stamped, almost 1 000 000 pieces were added, they are valuable only if they are well preserved, and No. - ordinary cold steel weapons of mass production. A triangular bayonet in excellent condition is not much cheaper.
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          4. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 19 December 2013 00: 35
            0
            Quote: IRBIS
            All the Japanese military swords of the 1937 model (and not only) in Russia in perfect condition, from the military warehouses of Japan are made either in Odessa, on Malaya Arnautskaya, or in Rostov-on-Don by Armenian "metallurgists".

            By the way, even from Japanese warehouses - it’s not a fact that they are good, because they had a period when large amounts of garbage were produced in large quantities.

            I accidentally came across a Japanese sword, not expensive, and the funds allowed me to buy, but I did not buy it. Still not sure whether to buy or not.
            The lower part of the handle was in the shape of a bird, only the bird's head for some reason was turned towards the one who holds the sword, and not the opposite, which in my opinion would be more natural. The hilt itself seemed to be covered in shark skin (like sandpaper). Somewhere there were photos, if interested I can search.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 19 December 2013 01: 34
              0
              Quote: Bad_gr
              By the way, even from Japanese warehouses - it’s not a fact that they are good, because they had a period when large amounts of garbage were produced in large quantities.


              this is just this period. wink
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 19 December 2013 01: 58
                +1
                I have a carbon blade like a triangle, a ring on, into the finger, to carry this halabud yes without a problem, I am a rapier-fencer, I sense a lot in such things, as well as all the others I respect dagger guns. Impact-puncture-haya.
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 20 December 2013 00: 49
              0
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Somewhere there were photographs ........

              Please do not hit hard for the quality of the pictures (there was no way to shoot better) sad




              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 21 December 2013 00: 16
                0
                Knowledgeable people, say something about the sword from the pictures (clickable).

                He belonged to a general who served somewhere in the Far East. After his death, the widow sold everything that she considered unnecessary, but unlike ceramic figurines, no one really appreciated this sword (there were no specialists among familiar ones). So it’s curious what kind of thing fell into my hands.
          5. Dmitry Toderes
            Dmitry Toderes 5 May 2014 17: 12
            0
            Japanese sword on Armenian technology in a Russian stove? smile
  9. Svyatoslavovich
    Svyatoslavovich 18 December 2013 11: 11
    +9
    Article seams, the author collected material from the boys in the yard and from advertising brochures, what else is in the FIG FINCA of the NKVD, well, that's all right, but "Dagger of the Financial Intelligence of Russia" - I can't laugh.
    All knives starting with the "sea devil" are generally an advertising brochure, while it is imperative to inform that - developed by order of SOBR (special, deputy, super, governing, hyper,) or by whom else the thread is super cool. Clowning pancake
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 18 December 2013 12: 48
      +2
      The article generally says Finnish NKBD!
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 14: 51
      +4
      Quote: Svyatoslavovich
      The article was stitches, the author collected material from the boys in the courtyard and from advertising brochures, which is still in FIG FINCA NKVD, well, it still went nowhere


      Are you a specialist in comrade?

      Quote: Svyatoslavovich
      which else in FIG FINCA NKVD

      pushes a faceted glass and a half-eaten snack

      In 1935, the Criminal Code introduced a direct ban on the manufacture, storage, marketing and wearing of Finnish knives (except for “special cases” - naturally, party functionaries could still have “Finnish”). But the Russian knife production did not die: in the same 1935 year, the NKVD officers received as a special tool the Finnish knife manufactured by the Trud factory in the village of Vacha, Nizhny Novgorod Region. The basis of the “NKVD knife” was a copy of a Swedish knife produced by P. Holmberg, which was banned for use by ordinary citizens as a “Finnish knife”. "NKVD Knife" had several varieties. For some, a straight butt was characteristic, for others, a butt with a characteristic bevel (“pike”). A common distinguishing feature of the “NKVD knives” was the dale on the blade and the Finnish type of the handle head, as well as a developed, often curved guard that the Finnish puukko never had. An unsharpened heel was left on the blade in front of the guard - for transferring the index finger to the blade in some grips. The handle was made of carbolite. The knife was not officially in service, but was produced in rather large quantities, and was issued to the NKVD officers for use as personal cold steel. It is possible that it was on the samples of the “NKVD knives” that the shape and dimensions of the knife were worked out, which a bit later became the classic army knife of the 1940 model of the year.

      on the picture:

      One of the options "Finnish NKVD." Factory "Labor", 1930 years.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 18 December 2013 15: 32
        +1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        ... The basis of the “NKVD knife” was a copy of the Swedish knife produced by P. Holmberg, ... The common distinguishing feature of the “NKVD knives” were the dales on the blade and the Finnish type of handle head, as well as a developed, often curved guard that they never had Finnish puukko ...

        Puuko they are different. If we remove the guard from the Vachinskaya Finn, then we will have a Finnish combat knife "Lynx", known in hot Finland since the end of the 2th century. Its distinctive features, in addition to the valleys, were slopes, usually 3/XNUMX. Well, in the section more often - a rhombus.
        I have this made to order love Only much shorter, the wedge is only 100 mm.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 December 2013 16: 02
          +1
          Quote: BigRiver
          Puuko they are different. If we remove the guard from the Vachinskaya Finnish, then we will have a Finnish combat knife "Lynx", known in hot Finland since the end of the XNUMXth century.


          Well, if you approach it meticulously, then there were almost hundreds of variations (the same knife was made differently in different cities, plus the individuality of the knife who performed the knife was imposed, and so on and so forth).

          Quote: BigRiver
          Its distinctive features, besides the dolas, were the slopes, usually on 2 / 3. Well, in the section more often - a rhombus.


          That's right. soldier


          Quote: BigRiver
          I have this made to order


          Great purchase. good
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 18 December 2013 19: 00
      -1
      According to the author of the SOBRA, they vied to order daggers as combat knives. A dagger is not a combat knife, because it is impossible for them to fight. That is, the SOBR is preparing to massively slaughter someone from the quiet. In general, cranberries. That is cherry ...
  10. Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 18 December 2013 11: 24
    0
    The link is the knife of the Father of the Soldier. Designed by my good friend. It will be interesting to hear your opinion. Thank.

    http://rusknife.com/topic/8797-%D0%BD%D1%80-11-%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%86-%D1%81%D
    0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0/
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 18 December 2013 11: 30
      +1
      Quote: DimkaPVO
      The link is the knife of the Father of the Soldier. Designed by my good friend. It will be interesting to hear your opinion. Thank.

      He looks nice, but without "holding in his hands" hardly anything sensible can be said.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 18 December 2013 19: 19
      +1
      The author of the knife - a lover of interceptions for the shank? The technique is quite controversial. For a firm grip, it is not too good when the little finger and ring finger need to be squeezed harder than the index finger. The grip is best held when the fingers are loaded evenly - like on the same finca, the handle in the form of a truncated, strongly elongated ellipse.
      But in general a good thing, I personally like it. Still, by the way. I am sure that the knife sits perfectly in the author’s hand. But in the wrong hand ... Choosing the material of the handle - save the future owner the opportunity to fit it on your hand. So I separately approve the choice as a material for the handle of the mikarta! smile
  11. here and there
    here and there 18 December 2013 11: 30
    +1
    whatever knife is adopted))) the historical digression touches on the last hundred years ... nothing new
  12. SIT
    SIT 18 December 2013 12: 21
    +5
    Something I would not want to be present in crowded places where the SOBR MVD solves some tasks with knives without the use of firearms. What kind of tasks are these for the Ministry of Internal Affairs in crowded places !? A knife as a universal tool is certainly necessary. Without him, neither to the forest, nor to the mountains. But its use as a weapon in modern conditions is extremely unlikely. The difficulty is not to kill a person. This will be taught. You’ll piss off the first time, and then you will get used to - where to go ... The problem is to get close to the distance of the knife. After all, the post will not be a city nerd with a player in his ears. And if it’s finally what kind of thread is the local native who recognizes the animals in the bush at night by smell, then it’s just a pipe and it’s good if they kill him right away and not take him alive. Why take the risk with a knife when a silencer has long been invented. A pure melee in its pure form is possible only forehead if there is no time to reload, and even more so to get a knife, what personal weapon? It cannot be let out of the hands. If 2 seconds appeared to change the store, then it doesn’t matter what kind of super duper knife the enemy already has.
    1. Walking
      Walking 18 December 2013 14: 28
      +1
      Basically, all these knives were needed by the SOBR and riot police after business trips to Chechnya, while many dissatisfied with bayonet-knives ordered themselves knives specifically for their units.
  13. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 23
    0
    I’ll expand on NA-40, maybe it will come in handy for someone, well or interesting good, so:

    The famous knife really has a lot of names given to it by designers, owners and admirers, and it was produced in various forms, which further confuses the identification of this weapon. The most famous, most commonly used, was the name HP-40 - "scout knife". However, despite the attractive charisma of this name, it is not true; it is derived from the real name of the weapon and from the profession where this knife was used most often. Officially, according to the documents, this weapon was called HA-40 - "an army knife of the 1940 model of the year."
    The prototype, the ancestor of the Soviet army knife, was the national Finnish knife of the universal Scandinavian type Puukko, known since the Middle Ages. It was his Russian people who were nicknamed "Finnish."
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 26
      +3
      "Finca" was known and popular in Russia, since in the 19 - beginning of the 20 century, Finland was part of the Russian Empire, and the inhabitants of the country had the opportunity to get to know this knife closely. The compact size, ease of use, high efficiency of work and battle made the Finnish knife widespread throughout Russia; this knife was especially popular in the criminal environment, where the “finch" was the main tool for obtaining a "livelihood" ...
      The Finnish knife, due to its popularity (demand creates supply!) In tsarist times, was produced in large quantities; it was made not only in Finland, but also in St. Petersburg, Moscow, Tula and the Nizhny Novgorod village of Vacha (the Vacha “Finnish” were the most successful in Russia). In addition to these large enterprises, Finnish knives were also made in hundreds of small workshops, if not in a handicraft way.


      on the picture:

      Universal Finnish knife of the Puukko type; copy of 30-40's, preserved to this day.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 32
        0
        The turning point in the field of knife production in the USSR was the Soviet-Finnish "Winter" war 1939-1940. Conducted in the dense forests of Karelia, on the Finnish side often using partisan methods, it contributed to the widespread use of automatic weapons. However, unlike long rifles, it was pointless to supply short submachine guns with bayonets, and as a result the submachine gunners were deprived of cold steel, which was essential in hand-to-hand combat. The Finns solved this problem simply: all Finnish submachine guns were armed with Puukko knives already familiar to us, and the “sons of Suomi” more than once showed the high efficiency of these knives in the “hand to hand”. Puukko’s knives and fighters of the Finnish reconnaissance and sabotage units also used extremely successfully, silently “shooting” Soviet sentries and successfully destroying the enemy in hand-to-hand combat.
        The experience of the "Winter" war led to a sharp increase in the number of machine gunners in the Red Army and, accordingly, raised the question of supplying this category of military personnel with cold weapons. Thus began work on the creation of the Soviet army knife, which soon ended with the appearance of the hero of this post - the knife HA-40.


        on the picture:

        The scheme of the device knife army arr. 1940 g ..
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 34
          0
          In fact, it was a significantly improved model of the Finnish universal knife of the simplest design with the addition of a guard, which received a characteristic reverse bend. Knife HA-40 was made of carbon steel grade U7; his blade was in the form of a clip-point (with a bevel of the butt at the end, which the Russians nicknamed “pike”). The handle of the knife is wooden, with riders through mounting and a pronounced S-shaped guard. Wooden scabbard with a metal device, a suspension on a leather loop. Blade length 152 mm, blade width 22 mm, butt thickness 2,6 mm; the total length of the knife is 263 mm, the mass of the knife without scabbard is 150. The handle and scabbard are often (almost always with scouts) painted with black paint - to mask during night operations. The knife, like a firearm, was recorded in the Red Army book, and the fighter was responsible for his loss. Initially, the NA-40 knife was produced in relatively small quantities, because, despite the increase in the number of machine gunners in the Red Army, submachine guns still played an auxiliary role in the troops. But with the outbreak of World War II, the production of submachine guns was sharply increased, the number of machine gunners in rifle divisions was constantly growing, and the army needed a huge number of knives. As a result, the production of NA-40 was expanded, in addition to the Vachinsky Plant “Trud”, the Zlatoust Tool Plant No. 259 named after him was involved in the manufacture of the army knife. V.I. Lenin (ZiK), the Zvezda artel in the village of Belyakovo, the artel of the Medovartsevo village; HA-40 knives were also mass-produced in Uzbekistan. The largest number of army knives was produced at the ZiK plant, which had powerful machine tools. However, the front’s needs for weapons, including knives, were so great that in addition to mass production, the practice of ordering knives at handicraft enterprises, as well as making knives in front-line workshops, became widespread. Therefore, quite a few knives were produced, the general appearance of which resembles the authorized army knife of the 1940 model of the year, but these knives were still significantly different from the original in the design and applied materials. The practice of manufacturing the HA-40 described above today does not allow us to determine the exact number of army knives issued during the war. The only thing that we have at our disposal is fragmentary reports on the number of army knives produced at the Zlatoust plant: it is known that in the 1942 year ZiK produced - 261.000 pieces of NA-40, and in 1943 year - 388.000 pieces. More than half a million knives in two years of production, and this despite the fact that it was also necessary to produce small arms! But the war lasted much longer, and the production of HA-40 did not stop ...
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 44
            +1
            Nevertheless, army knives in the Red Army were not enough - the demand was too great. Therefore, not every machine gunner owned the HA-40; many fighters had to “arm themselves” with trophies and civilian models, as well as use a variety of artisanal knives, including those produced in front-line repair shops - the so-called “theater of war” knives. But many ordinary soldiers had to fight without cold steel at all. However, in the army there was one category of military personnel, which was supplied with authorized army knives in the first place, and at the same time, everyone! These are army scouts, for whom the knife often became the main, and in many situations the only applicable weapon. Silently removing the enemy’s sentries, cutting the enemy’s telephone wires, stripping wires when installing a mine, and just opening a can for food in a long-distance raid — all these actions are impossible without a knife. Scouts needed edged weapons more than anyone else, and we must pay tribute - they received it in the required quantity. Each scout had a knife; in fact, at that time the knife was a symbol of the scout, which determined a respectful attitude to its owner. Perhaps that is why in everyday life the official name HA-40 was replaced by the unofficial name НР-40 (“scout knife”). And today, most people interested in military history know this weapon as a “reconnaissance knife” rather than an “army knife” ... In 1943, the Zlatoust Tool Plant No. 259 named after V. I. Lenin (ZiK) and the Zlatoust Tool -Machinery No. 391, in addition to the HA-40, launched the production of a specialized scout knife of the 1943 model of the year - HP-43 “Cherry”. Knife HP-43 was created on the basis of the main army knife HA-40. The shape of the blade practically remained the same, and at first for the production of knives "Cherry" even blades with the hallmarks of the army knife mod. 1940. But subsequently, the length of the blade was slightly increased, which led to the lengthening of the entire knife (blade length - 158 mm, total length of the knife - 270 mm). However, the main changes affected the guard and hilt. On the "Cherry" abandoned the S-shaped guard and replaced it with a traditional cross; the gaiter and grip head were made of metal. The HP-43 handle was made of impact-resistant plastic in black, green or white, the shape of the handle has changed significantly. In addition, the developers abandoned the unsuccessful wooden scabbard, which in severe fighting conditions quickly failed; Now the HP-43 knife was equipped with more comfortable leather sheaths. Cherry knives came exclusively to reconnaissance and landing units, army machine gunners continued to use the old NA-40.

            On photo:

            Scout knife HP-43 "Cherry".
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 47
              0
              Both the army knife HA-40 and the scout knife HP-43 "Cherry" were widely used by Soviet soldiers to destroy the enemy until the very last day of the war. But even after the Victory, these knives remained in service with the Soviet army for a long time. And not only Soviet: HA-40 was copied by the military designers of the armies of a number of Warsaw Pact countries. So, in the 1951 year, the Yugoslavs used the ideas of HA-40, creating their own Yugoslav combat knife of the 1951 model of the year (M1951) on the basis of the Soviet one. It was distinguished from the original by the shape of the handle, symmetrical from the sides of the back and abdomen, on the lateral surfaces of which a deep cut was applied - to prevent slipping in the palm of the hand. The blade, in comparison with the Soviet prototype, had a slightly larger thickness; a five-pointed star was stamped on the base of the blade at the handle, which today confuses the thoughts of some knife lovers who take the Yugoslav version for the Soviet version of the HA-40.
              From the 50s to the 1975 years in Czechoslovakia, the Mikov firm produced several variants of the V07 combat knife, which was also a version (though coarsened) of the Soviet NA-40. The knife differed from the Soviet prototype in a slightly more “upturned” shape of the bevel of the butt, with a straight guard and a flatter handle. The knife was worn in original leather scabbard.
              But the most accurate copy of the HA-40 was the Polish assault knife of the 1955 model of the year, created in Poland, which differed from the Soviet one only with metal sheaths and another way of attaching the blade to the handle - on two rivets. This Polish version of HA-40 was produced in huge quantities, and today it is very common throughout the world, where it is also often mistaken for the next Soviet modification of the army knife.


              On photo:

              Foreign combat knives based on the HA-40. Top down:
              Czechoslovakian knife V07, Yugoslav knife M1951 and Polish noz szturmowy wz.55.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 51
                +1
                As for the original Soviet combat knives, the HA-40 served in the Soviet army until the 60's, inclusive, and the HP-43 "Cherry" is still found in Russian special forces.
                At the moment, the army knife of the 1940 model of the year has become history. However, the glory he won in the battles (primarily in the intelligence units) turned out to be so great that the HP-40 brand (it was under this mark that the knife was perceived by contemporaries) today has become a commercially attractive brand. As a result, a number of knife companies use elements of appearance or the name of a veteran when creating their modern knives, which contributes to the growth of sales of their products.


                On photo:

                Modern commercial knives using the brand of “scout knife”.

                all photos are clickable. hi
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 18 December 2013 19: 30
                  +3
                  Thank! Your review is much better than the article.
  14. mango68
    mango68 18 December 2013 15: 32
    +6
    In my humble opinion and experience, a soldier only needs a knife to open a can of stewed meat, zinc, etc., to cut something off, trim, pick, squeeze and butcher a trophy ram or some other game. To use it as a weapon, I have not heard or seen and generally have little idea of ​​what needs to be done to get into such an ass and use it like that. Proceeding from this, I humbly believe that if a knife is needed for "business", then it will be simple to the point of disgrace and its main characteristic will be its strength and weight. All the bells and whistles to make the knife universally lead to a deterioration in its working properties, incl. and combat (everything can be, everything can not be foreseen). But as they say, there are no superknives in taste and color, but here are the "finco" knives ..
    The article did not like.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 40
      +6
      Quote: mango68
      In my humble opinion and experience, a soldier needs a knife exclusively to open a can of stewed meat, zinc, etc., cut something, cut, pick, squeeze and cut a trophy sheep or some other game. To use it as a weapon, I did not hear and did not see, and in general I can hardly imagine


      Comrade, I absolutely agree with you, like many others:

      “It would be fun to watch a knife fight in a war: a soldier must pass an automatic machine, a sapper blade, a helmet, go past the firearms of the killed, find a level ground, a knife and the exact same idiot from the opposing army.
      And only then can a normal knife fight begin. hi
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 18 December 2013 15: 51
        +4
        Quote: Karlsonn
        , find a flat area, a knife and the exact same idiot from the wailing

        Well, who, who and two such unique ones will always find each other. Everywhere! And at war
        .
        Thanks to the author, and advertising _ Well, where today without it! And ours advertises!
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 December 2013 16: 11
          0
          Quote: Cynic
          Well, who, who and two such unique ones will always find each other. Everywhere! And at war


          And commanders for what? The soldier will see through the ammunition, who will answer? wink
      2. Altona
        Altona 18 December 2013 16: 05
        0
        According to the article itself ... Having looked at the configuration of the knives, I recognize in them either kukri, then Finnish, or some kind of rethinking of the German army knife (my grandfather had such a trophy), then redistribution of a hunting knife (the Far Eastern knife in the article, apparently in case of meeting with the Ussuri by a tiger) ... Something of this kind of Russian is not visible, or I don’t understand it ... Meanwhile, judging by my village, behind my bootleg we wore a regular homemade knife with a wooden handle, from a strip sharpened like a dagger or dagger, but not double-edged ... In general, like a kitchen knife ... L blade about 15 cm ... Grandfather himself forged such a blade from some valve ... But he spoiled the trophy with an incorrect sharpening, completely stitched the blade ... In general, he got a joke with trophies: the two-row accordion at the stove has dried up (so play and I didn’t learn), the trophy Merkel was confiscated by the cops for poaching, I nearly cut my throat with a dangerous trophy razor ...
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 December 2013 17: 16
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          After looking at the configuration of the knives, I recognize in them either kukri, then Finnish, or some kind of rethinking of the German army knife (my grandfather had such a trophy)


          With trophies there is also an ambiguous situation.
          At the beginning of the war, the Germans were armed with standard models of beautiful, but little-functional SA and SS daggers, and various "uniform daggers", which, although suitable for hand-to-hand combat, were completely unable to help a German soldier in front-line life. Therefore, after the start of the war, the German command, who realized this, issued the Solingen company an order for the creation of a combat army knife, suitable not only for destroying the enemy, but also for domestic use on a campaign. And the Solingen company eventually created such a weapon on the basis of ... an ordinary kitchen knife))). By the way, the quality of these knives was no higher than that of the Soviet NA-40.

          On photo:

          German edged weapons: SS dagger and combat knives, created on the basis of kitchen utensils.
          1. vomag
            vomag 19 February 2014 19: 49
            0
            Solingen et city on the blades must look at the stigma they indicate the manufacturer!
            1. Kir
              Kir 19 February 2014 19: 58
              0
              Well, yes, like, no one here knows this, here are just regular blades from the 2nd World War, as far as I remember, not a single company produced several, there most likely you need to pick up literature and look at the numbers.
              1. vomag
                vomag 20 February 2014 13: 07
                0
                I’m sure that half do not know at least! Sometimes there are no numbers and the brand Z and the brand of military acceptance cannot be established for the manufacturer ....
                1. Kir
                  Kir 20 February 2014 17: 05
                  0
                  Unfortunately, I “knocked down the book” just by the blades of the Second World War with descriptions, brands and numbers, though the fool is weighty and in Native German, so the expression is practically impossible ..... this is hardly true, rather difficult, but with regards to half of them do not know, are you talking about the fact that Solingen is like Zlatoust centers, and not firms? Well, it's just random people who don't know.
                  1. vomag
                    vomag 21 February 2014 10: 52
                    0
                    With brands and in your own! yes you have my friend a rarity! for such a "book" any collection will hang himself. It's just that at the end of the war, orders for bayonet knives and hedgehogs with them were given out to all and sundry, then air strikes, fires and all that ... and all the documentation kaput, who the manufacturer is not known ... plus, for secrecy purposes, the brands were constantly changing from one to another and what godfather they gave too go figure it out
                    1. Kir
                      Kir 21 February 2014 15: 52
                      0
                      Not a rarity, everything is just a book in PDF format, just for those who are not superficially related to the topic, and in general, as I said, I "demolished" it from my computer, and if you are interested in blades, then it is better than the Germans, Austrians and Japanese (these just about your own) just No, those same Yankos and shaves are just bullshit, forgive me and not the specialists. And what else was the nemchura famous for ?, correctly systematic, which means documentation, that's the answer to your question.
                      If I'm interested in a book, I’ll try to remember where I downloaded it, I don’t remember exactly what is called.
      3. avt
        avt 18 December 2013 19: 16
        +2
        Quote: Karlsonn
        the soldier must pass an assault rifle, a sapper shovel, a helmet, go past the firearms of the dead, find a level ground, a knife and the exact same idiot from the opposing army.
        And only then can a normal knife fight begin.

        Mistake - a knife must lose, a belt, not find a stone, but find the same mu ... and apply hand-to-hand combat techniques.
        Quote: mango68
        In my humble opinion and experience, a soldier needs a knife exclusively to open a can of stewed meat, zinc, etc., cut something, cut, pick, squeeze and cut a trophy sheep or some other game. In order to use it as a weapon, I did not hear and did not see it, and generally have little idea of ​​what needs to be done to get into such a priest and use it like that.

        Everything is so but - "the dagger is good for the one who has it and woe to the one who does not have it in difficult times"
        Quote: mango68
        .All bells and whistles to give the knife versatility lead to a deterioration in its working properties,

        good The more convenient at home, the better.
        Quote: mango68
        But as they say on the taste and color of superknives, in principle, no,

        And here you can’t argue, well, there are no such super knives that their owner only makes him an extra fighter - his special forces.
      4. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 18 December 2013 19: 35
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        In order not to argue for a long time (even refrain from comments about the clumsy redone saying about hand-to-hand combat wink ) I will say only one thing. Have you ever seen a knife that has run out of ammo? LDCs do not offer laughing Regarding the rest ... Here are the dates when they explained to the soldiers and officers of the SA that loud phrases are cool. A good knife is much cooler ...
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 December 2013 20: 02
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail3
          In order not to argue for a long time


          So no one is a sport with the need for a knife, in my personal opinion, mankind will never part with a knife.
    2. luiswoo
      luiswoo 20 December 2013 08: 46
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      Based on this, I modestly believe that if a knife is needed for "business", then it will be simple to the point of disgrace and the main characteristic will be its strength and weight. Any bells and whistles to make the knife universally lead to a deterioration in its working properties, incl. and combat (anything can be, everything is not foreseen). But as they say, there are no superknives in taste and color, but here are the "fink-like" knives ..
      The article did not like.

      Well so, for affairs only the Mosin bayonet is represented here. The rest is hunting knives in essence. Here, the truth, incomprehensible little animals clambered: bastard bayonet - bayonet-knife (can get stuck in ribs unlike a bayonet and inconvenient for cutting sausages, unlike a knife), and a decorative stainless steel stylet ... It’s not clear where to take them.
  15. Altona
    Altona 18 December 2013 15: 45
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    Quote: Karlsonn
    In fact, it was a significantly improved model of the Finnish universal knife of the simplest design with the addition of a guard, which received a characteristic reverse bend. Knife NA-40 was made of carbon steel grade U7; his blade was in the form of a clip-point (with a bevel of the butt at the end, which the Russians nicknamed “pike”).

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    The Swedish company Mora just makes such finishes ... With a wooden handle, metal guard and leather scabbard ... For example, I use the construction knife of this company ... Cheap and cheerful, a good carbon blade ...
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 15: 58
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      The Swedish company Mora just makes such finishes ... With a wooden handle, metal guard and leather scabbard ... For example, I use the construction knife of this company ... Cheap and cheerful, a good carbon blade ...


      For obvious reasons, I use the storage facilities every day.
      Although no, no, yes, and pulls his saber to wave. bully
  16. Altona
    Altona 18 December 2013 16: 10
    +1
    Quote: mango68
    In my humble opinion and experience, a soldier only needs a knife to open a can of stewed meat, zinc, etc., to cut something off, trim, pick, squeeze and butcher a trophy ram or some other game. To use it as a weapon, I have not heard or seen and generally have little idea of ​​what needs to be done to get into such an ass and use it like that. Proceeding from this, I humbly believe that if a knife is needed for "business", then it will be simple to the point of disgrace and its main characteristic will be its strength and weight. All the bells and whistles to make the knife universally lead to a deterioration in its working properties, incl. and combat (everything can be, everything can not be foreseen). But as they say, there are no superknives in taste and color, but here are the "finco" knives ..
    The article did not like.

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    In gallant modern TV series like "Smersh" or "Military Intelligence" our soldiers of sabotage groups famously throw knives at the German sentries, or bursting into the location of the Finnish troops, saying hello, "hey, terve", they begin to slaughter Finnish soldiers right in the barracks ...
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 17: 18
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      In gallant modern TV series like "Smersh" or "Military Intelligence", our soldiers of sabotage groups famously throw knives at German sentries


      In modern films, this does not happen, even with shovel cuttings they go on the attack.
  17. zub46
    zub46 18 December 2013 16: 18
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    Concerning the NA-40. Stamp - the Trud plant, Vacha. Using it, I drew attention to the steel of the blade, which is able to keep sharpening for a very long time and not dull. The blade is not overheated to dryness, the material is viscous, slightly flexible. I don't know the steel grade, but the metal is interesting.
    The OTs-4 multifunctional knife was once presented to me once, retired. Weighty thing. I am not special in the field of knife fighting, but it’s practically a bebut or cleaver. To stick it in a figure protected by winter clothes, in my opinion, is problematic. Chopping or chopping on an unprotected surface will probably do. Factory sharpening razor sharpness. The steel is rather dry, but the thickness of the blade helps out.
    1. mango68
      mango68 18 December 2013 17: 02
      +1
      On the HA-40 and the like, they used ordinary carbon U6 or U8. (Files are made of it). Metal has no claim to pathos, therefore, a good thermist in production is indispensable. The Americans used ordinary spring steel for their CO-BARs. The Germans generally used real trench for their trenches. This is a mass product of military time.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 18 December 2013 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: mango68
        At HA-40 and the like, they used regular carbon U6 or U8.


        Not really yours!
        At HA-40 in accordance with GOST there was steel of the U7 brand, U8 is an enamel.
        However, there was a variant of the NA-40, which was part of the NZ for rescue crews. Here it was from 9HF steel.

        Here is his photo:
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 December 2013 17: 44
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          one more picture :

          mustache clickable.
        2. Kir
          Kir 20 December 2013 16: 38
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          And what is the hardness of the blade? Although for a non-expanded (type for 65, etc.) knife 9HF is one of the best.
          And at least one of Ours continues to produce dangerous ones, the Germans know they still do it, but I haven't heard of ours, although those from "Trud" Vacha were of a decent level.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 17: 24
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      Quote: zub46
      Concerning the NA-40. Stamp - the Trud plant, Vacha. Using it, I drew attention to the steel of the blade, which is able to keep sharpening for a very long time and not dull. The blade is not overheated to dryness, the material is viscous, slightly flexible. I don't know the steel grade, but the metal is interesting.


      is there a guard? and from which hilt and scabbard?
  18. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 18 December 2013 16: 32
    +2
    The best cold weapon is the mind ... well, and the machine gun, and together so finally beauty.
  19. klim44
    klim44 18 December 2013 17: 11
    +2
    Dagger of Financial Intelligence of Russia - TOUCH !!! Literally stick with a knife to the throat to take away finances
    1. Walking
      Walking 18 December 2013 17: 59
      0
      Like a ceremonial weapon, a sign of belonging to an organization.
  20. Massik
    Massik 18 December 2013 17: 23
    +2
    It is strange that "Basurmanin" did not get into this article, although, like OTs4, no one takes him out, making do with a much more universal MSL and a civil warehouse.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 18: 52
      0
      Quote: Marssik
      It is strange that "Basurmanin" did not get into this article, although, like OTs4, no one takes him out, making do with a much more universal MSL and a civil warehouse.


      Well, a knife is a purely individual choice.
      Here are "SMERSH-3" and "PUNISHER" in Chechnya. Pennant.
  21. Wendor
    Wendor 18 December 2013 17: 52
    +4
    Never interested in knives and bayonets, although I admit that without them in the modern army does not.
    For example, there are several trophy;) knives. (These are trophies of a Chechen veteran after repair. Incidentally, he got it in battle)
  22. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 18 December 2013 18: 07
    +1
    The article is very interesting !!!! I don’t want to criticize anything. Just my own opinion, I'm sorry .... Bloodthirsty ... complete garbage. like a rib of rigidity, also a lie! I tried this way and that. steel and knife making are exactly the same. With a bloodstream, the knife is weaker in bending. Blood doesn't run faster either. The appearance of a knife with a bloodstream is steeper, but no more. The grip, I always use these myself. some pluses. But one minus is the connection. blade is a hilt. weakness! Very weak spot !!! That is, a wide blade, and a very narrow seat for the handle. Well, you probably understand. For very difficult conditions I use a knife. almost a sword with false cheeks, riveted. From the description I liked the knives, smersh-5, DV-1. bayonet knife arr 1989. This is just my opinion. sorry.
    1. Hon
      Hon 18 December 2013 18: 19
      +4
      Quote: DZ_98_B
      . Just my own opinion, I'm sorry .... Bloodthirsty ... complete garbage.

      Actually it’s called dol, and nothing flows down on it, the function is lightening the blade. with the same dimensions, the blade with dales has a significantly smaller mass. in knives is not relevant, since the difference in weight will still be imperceptible. carries more aesthetic function
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 18 December 2013 19: 04
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        Actually it’s called dol, and nothing flows down on it, the function is lightening the blade. with the same dimensions, the blade with dales has a significantly smaller mass. in knives is not relevant, since the difference in weight will still be imperceptible. carries more aesthetic function


        No, well, if you drill any holes wassat
        1. Hon
          Hon 18 December 2013 20: 14
          0
          drill a hole in a blade then it will easily break. dol which is a stiffener allows you to lighten the weapon without loss of strength.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 18 December 2013 21: 48
            0
            Quote: Hon
            drill a hole in a blade then it will easily break. dol which is a stiffener allows you to lighten the weapon without loss of strength.


            Comrade, I am aware, I just didn’t get a joke. crying
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  23. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 18 December 2013 18: 33
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    I always had a Kazan Melitovsky knife IRBIS with me. I liked it. And we had SOBR fighters had different knives. Everybody bought what he liked. That would fall into his hand.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 18 December 2013 19: 01
      0
      Quote: leonardo_1971
      I always had the Kazan Melitovsky knife IRBIS with me. I liked it.


      The taste and color of all markers are different.
      SISBR fighters were armed with the NA-40, but I have this photo:

      A fighter of one of the assault engineering and combat brigades of the reserve of the Supreme High Command (SISBr RVGK)
      prefers a dirk to a regular Finnish knife.
      1-th Belorussian Front, April 1944 of the year.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 18 December 2013 19: 04
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        Veteran badge of fighter SHISB.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 18 December 2013 20: 13
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          Quote: Alex 241
          Veteran badge of fighter SHISB.


          - 9 I assault engineer-engineer in Novgorod-Khingan Red Banner Order of Kutuzov Brigade.
      2. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 18 December 2013 22: 13
        0
        my IRBIS. good medical powder steel. comfortable. durable. 6 mm blade.
        1. luiswoo
          luiswoo 20 December 2013 08: 55
          0
          It is strange to see in one sentence good и powder steel regarding a knife, or any other hand tool ...
  24. uzer 13
    uzer 13 18 December 2013 19: 08
    0
    Combat knives are forbidden to be sold and used in civilian circulation, but there are options adapted for domestic use on sale. Most likely they are intended for collectors, they are little adapted for utilitarian use. If you walk around shops and cellars, you can find knives that are considered tactical or generally to the category of knives. It is unknown how they get there. Buying and storing are not prohibited by law, products of decent quality can be found at very divine prices.
    1. Kir
      Kir 20 December 2013 16: 50
      0
      The fact that you most likely have left China, so the quality is clearly not so hot.
  25. Slotxnumx
    Slotxnumx 18 December 2013 20: 19
    +2
    Yes, a knife, this is a purely personal matter of a person which one to choose, tactical, combat .... the main thing is that he meets the requirements you need ... structural strength, quality of steel, safe handle, comfortable grip, blade length, type of sharpening. Real benefit for the blade probably has a seritor than these bloodthirsts, etc.
    By the way, a very interesting model, IMHO.
  26. georg737577
    georg737577 19 December 2013 02: 36
    +3
    I would start by equipping EVERY soldier with a folding pocket knife like Victorinox ...
    What would a person always have at hand the minimum number of tools needed in combat life.
  27. MahsusNazar
    MahsusNazar 19 December 2013 04: 33
    +1
    I do not like mistakes!
    LDC is a shooting reconnaissance knife, not special
  28. Kir
    Kir 19 December 2013 21: 12
    +1
    Well, the author of the blunders is already ......, Well, with what 50X14mph became carbon, even the name indicates that it is At least Alloyed! but in general it’s Nerzh! Then the Punisher is the brainchild of NOX - the Skrylyovsk brainchild, and then where is the legendary NGO that never went to the Katran-1 series, there is also no Commandos from Vorsma
    Article The fattest minus-superficial and without complete immersion in the material!
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 21 December 2013 12: 10
      0
      Quote: Kir
      Well, with what 50Kh14mf it became carbon, even the name indicates that it is At least Alloyed! but in general it’s Nerzh!

      The fact that this is stainless steel goes without saying, but you are a respected Kir in the heat of the author’s conviction, they themselves forgot that
      stainless steel is a complex alloy steel, where steel is an alloy of iron with carbon, in which the latter (0,01-2%)), resistant to corrosion in the atmosphere and aggressive environments, containing at least 12% chromium

      For 50X14mf in more detail here _ http://www.lasmet.ru/steel/mark.php?s=5#
      hi
      1. Kir
        Kir 21 December 2013 16: 21
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        Yes, I know that.
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  30. Privat
    Privat 20 December 2013 09: 31
    +1
    Very good review, especially for the formation of initial interest in the subject.
    The only thing that is not clear is why naval officer daggers were not included in the review.
    It seems like also combat knives, at least for the original purpose.
    And the look is mesmerizing.
    1. Kir
      Kir 21 December 2013 02: 36
      0
      The blade should have the year number and the mark of the ZIK in the form of a triangle, and everything is golden in color, on the top of the handle made in the form of a figured counter nut of five, an end star with hard edges, and there should also be the emblem of the USSR on one of the faces of the head, the handle is hollow from PCB, there should also be a black crêpe belt with a snake-shaped clasp, as well as elements in the form of a muzzle of a lion, and a hook for fixing the dagger in a position close to vertical, but in general, as far as I remember, this sample was produced before 1957, but I think the replica made by zk, met with such, gives out many points, though if I had the opportunity to hold the original in my hands.
  31. anomalocaris
    anomalocaris 20 December 2013 13: 10
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    By the way, an interesting historical fact - in the armies of Western Europe, the bayonet was "the weapon of last chance." The concept of a “bayonet attack” practically did not exist there, and the deadly nozzle on the musket barrel served only for defense.

    Auto RU.
    In fact, the bayonet was the main means of defeating the enemy until the First World War. This is such a banal historical fact. It would be interesting to see you after such a statement made in person to the Napoleonic guard.
  32. sub307
    sub307 21 December 2013 12: 04
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    Thanks for the article, read with pleasure.
  33. Arh
    Arh 21 December 2013 12: 12
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    Russian Steel The Best! ! ! am
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  40. Arh
    Arh 21 December 2013 18: 53
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    Our Damask laughing
    [media = http: // http: //youtu.be/jgJsl81XzWQ]
    1. Kir
      Kir 21 December 2013 18: 58
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      Sorry, but you can attach a video, because the link is not visible,
  41. Egevich
    Egevich 3 January 2014 21: 55
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    recently I went to a store called "Knives" (Rostov-on-Don), which sells only household goods with certificates ... was surprised by the presence of civilian versions of the Kizlyar knives, which practically did not differ from their "cold" relatives ... did not even leave without shopping .)))
  42. Vadim-61
    Vadim-61 22 January 2014 13: 01
    -1
    Stroporez of the Russian Airborne Forces



    Modern Russian knife-cutter is an automatic knife with frontal blade ejection, having a double-sided sharpening in the absence of a piercing tip.


    I saw a similar knife in the early 70's.
  43. μs
    μs 26 February 2014 11: 03
    +2
    And at home, and in the city, and on a hike, a good knife always suits the owner.
  44. AV 587
    AV 587 6 March 2014 00: 33
    0
    I did not expect such a variety of domestic combat knives
  45. Enemy
    Enemy 21 December 2014 03: 47
    0
    Not a “camping” knife, but a camp knife. You can’t call things in Russian?