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Military programs of Turkey. “Ambitions like Rolls Royce, opportunities like Rover

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Military programs of Turkey. “Ambitions like Rolls Royce, opportunities like Rover

In 2006, the head of the Defense Procurement Organization of Turkey, Murat Bayar, stated that the country would not create his fighter, but in November 2013, in an interview with the American military weekly Defense News, refused his words and said that the country would begin development, reports al -monitor.com 8 December.


“Now we have the opportunity to implement a national fighter program. We know that this will be a difficult task, but we believe that our aviation industry has the ability to take the aircraft into the air for 15-20 years, ”Bayar said.

Insiders fear that this project will confirm the words of the former US ambassador to Turkey, who said that “Turkey has ambitions of Rolls-Royce, but has the capabilities of Rover (Turkey had Rolls Royce ambitions but Rover resources - these words were published on the website Wikileaks). But Ankara seems to be serious about creating a national fighter.

“The feasibility study of the program includes the production schedule, costs, technological risks, opportunities for local industry and options for international cooperation. The findings of the feasibility study will be presented to the sub-secretariat of the defense industry at the beginning of 2014 for a final decision, ”Bayard said.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan (Recep Tayyip Erdogan) is proud to support this program. The project was named TFX, three conceptual designs are considered. The Swedish company Saab, which developed the Gripen fighter, became the “program mentor”. The confidence of the Turkish government gives the fact that national companies have gained some experience by participating in the program to create a fifth-generation American fighter F-35. Thus, Ayesas and KALE had the opportunity to work in the field of aviation, TEI in engine design, TAI in fuselage design and onboard systems integration, Aselsan in avionics, radar and electronics, Roketsan and MKEK in systems weapons, Ayesas and Milsoft in the development of national software, Meteksan in the creation of a national data line. But there is also a financial side.

Defense industry officials estimated that the development and construction of 8 prototypes would cost 11-13 billion US dollars, and this costs only prototypes. If you take the price of one fighter in 100 million dollars, the production program of almost 200 fighters will fly into 20 billion, if you add the cost of prototypes here, the total costs will reach 31-33 billion. But this is very optimistic forecasts. Experts believe that the real budget of the program will be almost 70 billion dollars. Turkey also plans to purchase X-NUMX F-100 fighter jets, which cost between 35 and 16 billion. Thus, both programs will cost Ankara from 20 to 47 billion.

Add to this amount the costs of acquiring new and modernized weapons and military equipment, which range from 3 to 4 billion dollars annually. In this regard, the ambitious military plans of Turkey (plus plans for the construction of aircraft carriers here) can be a confirmation of the bitter words of the US ambassador.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 15 December 2013 10: 41
    12
    this project will be a confirmation of the words of the former US ambassador to Turkey, who said that “Turkey has Rolls-Royce ambitions, but has Rover’s capabilities
    They could not create a tank, but here is a MODERN FIGHTER, and in the future an AIRLINER ... "Not according to Senka's hat ..."
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 15 December 2013 11: 08
      20
      Quote: svp67
      "Not for Senka's hat ..."


      Uh no! With Turkish flavor, it sounds like this: Not according to Recep Fez.
      1. svp67
        svp67 15 December 2013 11: 10
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        Uh no! With Turkish flavor, it sounds like this: Not according to Recep Fez.

        As Ivan Vasilyevich used to say: "... well, the dog is with him"
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 15 December 2013 11: 23
          -6
          You should not think so.
          Turkey will be able to create an aircraft carrier with the participation of our brothers Ukrainians and attracted specialists from other countries.
          Financially it is quite possible. And other reasons just can not be taken into account in the current situation.
          The question is, when a Turkish aircraft carrier will appear in the Black Sea, will our homegrown "StratEgs" continue to squeal about the uselessness of these for Russia? Or will they take their heads out of Gopa?
          1. svp67
            svp67 15 December 2013 11: 29
            +3
            Quote: A.YARY
            Turkey will be able to create an aircraft carrier with the participation of our brothers Ukrainians and attracted specialists from other countries.

            In the near future, and this is 10 years, it will not be able to, there is too much to create, and I think the Ukrainians will sooner be "chartered" by China to its work
            1. zvereok
              zvereok 15 December 2013 15: 02
              +7
              Quote: svp67
              In the near future, and this is 10 years, it will not be able to, there is too much to create, and I think the Ukrainians will sooner be "chartered" by China to its work


              The Russian Federation will be "fired" by my aunt in Ukraine in the design bureau one works, and so from time to time they are sent to Moscow.
              1. svp67
                svp67 15 December 2013 15: 08
                +7
                Quote: zvereok
                The Russian Federation will be "fired" by my aunt in Ukraine in the design bureau one works, and so from time to time they are sent to Moscow.
                That would be very good, but the rule - "who pays, then ..." works with Ukraine more than true. And China is now rich and spares no money for the development of "Soviet developments" ... our design bureaus, for them "the doors were closed", so the Chinese are now very diligently "working in Ukraine"
                1. Lesnik
                  Lesnik 15 December 2013 15: 11
                  +2
                  There is such crap negative meticulously and meticulously turn the cabinets in search of technical documentation
                2. poquello
                  poquello 15 December 2013 23: 25
                  +4
                  Quote: svp67
                  so the Chinese are now very hard "working across Ukraine"

                  work, work
                  I read China provided Ukraine with its nuclear umbrella.
          2. alone
            alone 15 December 2013 11: 56
            -4
            Quote: A.YARY
            The question is, when a Turkish aircraft carrier will appear in the Black Sea, will our homegrown "StratEgs" continue to squeal about the uselessness of these for Russia? Or will they take their heads out of Gopa?


            I don’t know about home-grown strategists, but cheers-patriots will argue that the Turks are not able to make an aircraft carrier)))
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 15 December 2013 20: 19
              +1
              Quote: lonely
              Turks are not able to make an aircraft carrier)))


              They are capable, but why?

              There, the Persians also set themselves the task - to make a flying stratospheric flounder. Although they clearly know that they will perform 50%
            2. ultra
              ultra 15 December 2013 20: 21
              +2
              Quote: lonely
              but cheers-patriots will argue that the Turks are not able to make an aircraft carrier)))

              Turkish "hurray patriots"?
            3. ty60
              ty60 15 December 2013 22: 35
              +1
              Not entirely correct. Do we have objective data on the capabilities of Turkey? Then why the General Staff does not know about them?
          3. Lesnik
            Lesnik 15 December 2013 12: 36
            12
            Quote: A.YARY
            You should not think so.
            Turkey will be able to create an aircraft carrier with the participation of our brothers Ukrainians and attracted specialists from other countries.


            Listen, stop dragging Ukraine and Ukrainians to what without getting into it because the article says:

            The Swedish company Saab, which developed the Gripen fighter, has become a “program mentor”.


            Quote: A.YARY
            The question is, when a Turkish aircraft carrier appears in the Black Sea, will our homegrown "strategs" continue to squeal about the uselessness of these for Russia? Or will they take their head out of Gopa? [/ B]


            Why the hell is an aircraft carrier in the inland sea? they already control the strait and the whole water area - they need an aircraft carrier to fit into the division of Africa
          4. Basileus
            Basileus 15 December 2013 12: 53
            12
            And why in the World Cup aircraft carrier? The Turks, as it were, and land airports nearby. An aircraft carrier for the World Cup - it's like a battleship for the Volga - not the most necessary thing.
          5. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 15 December 2013 15: 25
            +3
            Quote: A.YARY
            when a Turkish aircraft carrier appears in the Black Sea

            And why is it needed there? In my range of ground aviation is more than enough, and taking into account refueling even more. Or do you want to fit it to the coast of Crimea?
          6. Kir
            Kir 15 December 2013 17: 46
            +2
            We started for health. and we’ve finished ......, well, they’d ask, they would be real specialists, not alarmists and hired workers, where it is advisable to use aircraft carriers, well, certainly not Black and not the Baltic.
          7. mvg
            mvg 15 December 2013 23: 28
            +2
            Why in a black puddle an aircraft carrier?
          8. nikolaxp
            nikolaxp 16 December 2013 14: 46
            +2
            Quote: A.YARY
            The question is, when will the Turkish aircraft carrier appear in the Black Sea

            I have a question for you, on horseradish Turkey in the Black Sea aircraft carrier? An aircraft carrier is needed where aircraft cannot usually fly (other continents, for example). And 500 km across the Black Sea, even on a corn truck, you can fly from a regular airfield. Carriers are needed in the oceans, and in the Black Sea it will be shot through like a puddle by coastal anti-ship systems from all sides.
        2. AVV
          AVV 15 December 2013 12: 49
          +3
          Well, let them try !!! But what if they see that they have beented money?
      2. Yura
        Yura 15 December 2013 11: 40
        +7
        Quote: Hudo
        Uh no! With Turkish flavor, it sounds like this: Not according to Recep Fez.

        Or fez is not a hat, but in Sen'kin’s hands a fighter is always thicker.
      3. Civil
        Civil 15 December 2013 15: 44
        +3
        To build high-tech weapons is not a hilt to dilute)
      4. Cherdak
        Cherdak 15 December 2013 20: 14
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        Not Recep Fez


        Is there a Turkish flag in the picture? There is. So they will buy as cute. And they will forget about their national fighter, well, or let Ukrainian vegetarians prove that fat is a plant.
    2. bask
      bask 15 December 2013 11: 23
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      They could not create a tank, but here is a MODERN FIGHTER, and in the future an AIRLINER ... "Not according to Senka's hat ..."

      Americans will help create.
      At worst, the Chinese will throw something.
      For Erdogan, the main thing is prestige. And how will it fly, and what will be the flight characteristics in my opinion -SECONDARY.
      All modern weapons produced in Turkey over the past 5 years are foreign developments.
      Of their inventions and the creation of new technologies among the Turks 000.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 15 December 2013 12: 54
        +5
        That’s for sure it looks like a MiG LFI.
        1. bask
          bask 15 December 2013 14: 11
          +3
          Quote: Basileus
          That’s for sure it looks like a MiG LFI.

          MiG-1.44 (MFI) is very similar.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 16 December 2013 09: 51
            +1
            Yeah, I didn’t think about 1.44) In the light of the news from Rogozin about promising light fighters, I forget about TI.

            It seems to me that it’s just someone’s fantasies, and not a real Chinese project.
    3. Fin
      Fin 15 December 2013 11: 30
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      They could not create a tank, but here is a MODERN FIGHTER, and in the future an AIRLINER ... "Not according to Senka's hat ..."

      In my opinion, everything is easier - cutting the budget dough. With "0", making a modern combat aircraft is fantastic. If at least something works out - well, no - costs. Not only our saws are sharp.
    4. alone
      alone 15 December 2013 11: 55
      0
      underestimation, as always. The tank has already been created. It’s even being tested. And if they want to do anything, they need finances and desire.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 15 December 2013 14: 46
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        underestimation, as always. The tank has already been created. It’s even being tested. And if they want to do anything, they need finances and desire.

        It’s not worth comparing a tank and an airplane. When creating a modern aircraft, you will need, in addition to working out a bunch of technologies. And this time, money and others. If you start to do it, then first with some simpler models. And here, without experience ...
        It will be ambitious, but difficult to accomplish, and extremely costly. And the dates will be shifted, specifically ...
      2. vostok1982
        vostok1982 15 December 2013 14: 49
        +3
        Yeah there is only Turkish name. The West merges technologies not of the first freshness to any Turks and Poles, but they then tell what they themselves developed.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 15 December 2013 20: 24
        +5
        Quote: lonely
        underestimation as always. The tank has already been created.

        Tank "Altay" (Altay) was developed by the South Korean firm Hyundai Rotem in conjunction with the Turkish car company Otokar. The basis for the new Turkish tank was the South Korean tank XK-2 Black Panter , which, in turn, is based on an abrams .. Read fully here. So who created the already created wink ?
      4. ty60
        ty60 15 December 2013 22: 40
        +2
        And show us it with all TTX-plizz
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 15 December 2013 23: 22
          +4
          Quote: ty60
          And show us it with all TTX-plizz

          Click on this link, and you will be happy ..... wink laughing ! Last year at VO there was also an article "Comparison of Altay, Leopard 2a, T-90"Good luck.
    5. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 15 December 2013 14: 32
      23
      ... the head of the Turkish Defense Procurement Organization Murat Bayar said that the country will not create its own fighter, however, in November 2013, in an interview with the American military weekly Defense News, he refused his words and said that the country would start developing ...

      1. IGS
        IGS 15 December 2013 17: 03
        +6
        And where are they so much genies Will they recruit pilots? what
      2. major071
        major071 15 December 2013 18: 23
        +7
        And Us Rat

        What the hell, I wanted to say the same thing! laughing A big plus for you! good
  2. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 15 December 2013 10: 46
    +7
    The example of Turkey shows how much money the developing country spends on the creation of aviation technology. And China, by copying Russian planes, at the expense of the Russian taxpayer, "saves" both time and money. Ugliness.
  3. avt
    avt 15 December 2013 11: 04
    +4
    Yeah. So they want to join the ranks of the world players that any show-off goes into play. Everything will end either like with a tank and a helicopter, or nothing at all.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 15 December 2013 17: 35
      0
      Quote: avt
      ak they want in a number of world players that any show-off go

      Yeah, at one time they repaired the "Goeben" abandoned by the Germans and immediately entered the "dreadnought club"))))
  4. makarov
    makarov 15 December 2013 11: 19
    +5
    "Rolls-Royce ambitions, foxoped capabilities
    1. Yura
      Yura 15 December 2013 11: 42
      +4
      Quote: makarov
      possibilities like a "foxoped"

      And female.
  5. 0255
    0255 15 December 2013 11: 32
    +3
    And the Americans will not try to ruin the Turkish fighter? After all, they lose the F-35 buyer, they get another F-35 competitor ...
    Will this program have a positive effect on the US decision to bomb (with depleted uranium bombs, phosphorus bombs) the Turks for the undemocratic regime of Erdogan?
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 15 December 2013 14: 21
      +2
      Quote: 0255
      And the Americans will not try to ruin the Turkish fighter? After all, they lose the F-35 buyer, they get another F-35 competitor ...

      TURKEY does not create this aircraft for a number of reasons.
      And one of the most important, the most important ally will not allow a competitor to grow! They are trying in every possible way to the abilities of China to put sticks in the wheels, and here also Turkey - not to be there. I'm not talking about the absence of a number of technologies in general, for example, absorbing coatings or a US demon control system they cannot create at all.
      1. ty60
        ty60 15 December 2013 22: 49
        +2
        But aren’t grandmas buried here for debugging? They know how to cut us worse
  6. Ihrek
    Ihrek 15 December 2013 11: 42
    +4
    Dreaming is not harmful, but useless. I doubt that they will succeed. And the aircraft carriers why I do not understand. The zone of their interests is next to them. Maybe in the future they are going to fight with America.
  7. Artillerist
    Artillerist 15 December 2013 11: 51
    +4
    Quote: A.YARY
    You should not think so.
    Turkey will be able to create an aircraft carrier with the participation of our brothers Ukrainians and attracted specialists from other countries.
    Financially it is quite possible. And other reasons just can not be taken into account in the current situation.
    The question is, when a Turkish aircraft carrier will appear in the Black Sea, will our homegrown "StratEgs" continue to squeal about the uselessness of these for Russia? Or will they take their heads out of Gopa?


    Nafig an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea, which is shot through by missiles? The aircraft carrier is a weapon of the oceans, not lakes and seas. Turkey will need an aircraft carrier if only it can become the "glittering Port" of the 21st century, and Erdogan the sultan by conquering the Middle East, North Africa, the Caucasus, Romania, Bulgaria and southern Ukraine, becoming a superpower. And this is not even improbable - it is impossible. But to ruin the budget because of the arms race is so easy .....
    Let's not bother her.
  8. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 15 December 2013 11: 56
    +1
    Quote: 0255
    And the Americans will not try to ruin the Turkish fighter? After all, they lose the F-35 buyer, they get another F-35 competitor ...
    Will this program have a positive effect on the US decision to bomb (with depleted uranium bombs, phosphorus bombs) the Turks for the undemocratic regime of Erdogan?

    The questions are correct. But ...
    Americans are likely to support this project.
    1. If the project fails, the Turks are to blame, and they will work out some of the idea, and the failure will have a positive effect on the dollar.
    2. If the project turns out to be the Turks wisely - the Yankees will try to lead the process - and it will be beneficial for themselves, and politics will be controlled in the right direction ...
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 15 December 2013 12: 57
      +3
      I think they will offer an option, as the Japanese and Koreans at one time. We give you the F-16, and on its basis you are developing your own modification. Only here the donor will be F-35. Only here I believe in the possibilities of the Japanese and Koreans, but the Turks - not really)
  9. Altona
    Altona 15 December 2013 12: 03
    +5
    Ambition is, of course, good and commendable ... Creation of a modern aviation complex may pursue the task of "whipping up" its own military-industrial complex to solve more ambitious tasks ... It was rightly noted that creating from scratch would require enormous efforts and not the fact that it would end with something successful ... Creating an aircraft for their own Air Force is a very expensive task, all manufacturers are actively selling their offspring all over the world in order to beat back costs and pay for the work on modernization and development of new models ... So far, apart from political PR and the appetites of local tycoons, nothing more or less constructive is not visible ...
  10. family tree
    family tree 15 December 2013 12: 33
    +5
    “Now we have opportunities to implement the program of the national fighter. We know that this will be a difficult task, but we believe that our aviation industry has the capacity to lift the aircraft into the air over 15-20 years, ”Bayard said.

    “Ostap carried. The case seemed to be getting better ”(c) Twelve chairs, Ilf and Petrov.
  11. turishev
    turishev 15 December 2013 12: 38
    0
    Dumb Turks can only sew sheepskin coats and jackets - their engineering is not developed, a fighter and an aircraft carrier are nonsense
    1. alone
      alone 15 December 2013 13: 37
      -1
      laughing but you are so smart that you have swept a huge country, ruined everything that has come from this huge country, and now to buy clothes you buy just these jackets and sheepskin coats)) well, who’s dumber? wassat
      1. SSR
        SSR 15 December 2013 17: 52
        +4
        I don’t understand one thing. You’re an intelligent person, erudite, but he can see Turkish urapatriotism from you — this is one, two, not everything is measured by sheepskin coats. Nuclear reactors and the best fuel elements to them who makes? American atlases on Samara engines fly this is not Khuhra Muhra, this is what gives your machine tools energy telephones satellite communications)))))
      2. Black
        Black 15 December 2013 19: 58
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        but you are so smart that you swept a huge country


        And you, it turns out, got-raked? To expel yours from the markets (here we are, your truth is fools) with carnations, and go home back to the smart ones to send, and then see who is inadequate here.

        But the fact that there are some individual patriots who are very extraordinary around them is only fools, incompetent, either too slow or too red, this is also true not from a great mind.
        Turks know how to work. gods do not burn pots.
      3. ultra
        ultra 15 December 2013 20: 23
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        Well, who is dumber?

        Definitely TURKEY! laughing
  12. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 15 December 2013 13: 37
    +2
    Have a good day to all and have a good weekend. I looked at the comments - very many people turned to Turkey’s ability to build aircraft carriers, but not about that article, article about the program to build their own fighter. The main curator of the project and all those support is provided by the SAAB company - and they are already building combat aircraft, Aselsan is the main developer of electronic equipment, it is possible that the Chinese will help in some matters, engines can even be purchased in the west and from Russia. with money, of course, a little tight, but all the same, the Turks are stubborn people - they want to build it.
    And about the Altai Tank http://vpk.name/news/101337_turciya_nachnet_seriinoe_proizvodstvo_otechestvennog
    o_tanka__premerministr.html - in the near future its mass production begins.
    1. alone
      alone 15 December 2013 13: 42
      -1
      And we wish you the same, Sanych! and don’t forget about South Korea. With the help of Koreans, they can create a lot of things. There is simply an elementary underestimation of the possibilities.
      Many simply forgot that time does not stand in one place, and unlike some, many really made a sharp leap in development.
      1. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i 15 December 2013 14: 42
        +2
        Hello hello, Omar, Globalization is an irreversible thing, and everything depends only on the political tastes of the leadership, "Altai" and so the alteration of the Korean tank, and also the self-propelled gun "Firtin" - Turkey and Korea have been cooperating for a long time. Now the ANKA UAV is being produced, a version with missile armament is being made.
    2. Bagatur
      Bagatur 15 December 2013 17: 15
      +8
      "Altai" is a licensed copy of the South Korean K-2 "Black Panther", the same thing with the K-9 self-propelled guns, the Turk kupele lezenz and make "Firtina" it is the Turkish cocoa AK made in Bulgaria ... it is Bulgarian only by name))) This is not a joke, even a Frenchman admitted that "Rafal" can and beat the last French plane ... Such countries as Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Spain made Eurofighter together, they do not think (yet) about the 5th generation ... but , did the Turks take it? The Turkish jackal wants to be lions from his thought ... no, they can only threaten the countries as weakness. If there were no sanctions, Iran bypassed them long ago ...
      1. ultra
        ultra 15 December 2013 20: 25
        +5
        Quote: bagatura
        Turkish jackal wants lions to be considered ..

        Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! good
    3. ty60
      ty60 15 December 2013 22: 55
      +2
      Not a fact, of course, possibly fine-tuning the F-35 will be carried out with this money. All right now.
  13. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 15 December 2013 13: 37
    +4
    Quote: A.YARY
    The question is, when a Turkish aircraft carrier will appear in the Black Sea, will our homegrown "StratEgs" continue to squeal about the uselessness of these for Russia? Or will they take their heads out of Gopa?

    I wonder what the aircraft carrier will do in the Black Sea? It is not only covered by coastal aviation, but is also shot through by coastal complexes. I wonder how long he will live in such a small water area. For that matter, these ships are a bit cramped with modern weapons in the Mediterranean. So, for Turkey, an aircraft carrier is just a show off, they just don’t need it. Although if they want a flag in their hands, let them spend resources. If something unnecessary arrives, then something necessary disappears.
  14. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 15 December 2013 13: 46
    +5
    Regarding the aircraft, we can say that they do not have the financial power of China or India, and most importantly there is no design school. So, the deadline for fulfilling these wishes is 20 years, and then if SAAB will design everything for them. A typical example is the Indian tank and aircraft, and the Turkish tank and helicopter (which they did, but it turned out to be a turd, and they themselves recognized it) is indicative.
  15. Bosk
    Bosk 15 December 2013 14: 10
    +4
    By such a statement, they are not trying to bring down the price of American "plywood"?
  16. iohanson
    iohanson 15 December 2013 14: 12
    +3
    Turks, sew well, clothes, slippers, do accessories for doors and so on. Airplanes are not their profile like
  17. mountain
    mountain 15 December 2013 14: 55
    +2
    Not a bad artificial reef will come out of their aircraft carrier, but a plane ... in ten years, everyone will forget about it.
  18. vostok1982
    vostok1982 15 December 2013 14: 55
    +1
    Funny, by golly. So far, not one of the large European nations has voiced an intention to build a new generation aircraft. And they, whatever one may say, have a design school, have resources, finances, combat experience, and so on. I doubt Japan can do this. What is Turkey? Unless, if Saab makes it to zero, and from the Turks only a logo will be required to stick.
    1. woland05
      woland05 15 December 2013 15: 04
      +2
      So it will be, apparently. The United States and Israel will throw some money, but the Swedes or the French will ...
  19. Argon
    Argon 15 December 2013 15: 05
    +7
    After reading the headline he smiled, the content caused a sarcastic grin, smoking a cigarette, noted with surprise that I still think about the "aircraft building potential of Turkey" laughing And I realized, just the news was served to us in the "packaging" and "from the back door." I will try to show it "in the window", everything described below is my fabrications, how close they are to reality, decide for yourself. SAAB company (perhaps the only European aircraft manufacturer that has not frozen itself in the F-35 program) clearly, as has already happened more than once, has defined its niche-combat aircraft, the purchase / ownership of which would not affect the national sovereignty of the buyer (like the F-35) at the same time would have a minimum life cycle cost, provided to a large extent small MGH (in contrast to the T-50), and most importantly, the development of the project will be at the expense of the customer, taking into account his requirements as much as possible. A similar example is the creation of the Su-30MKI, MKK. That's where Turkey appeared on the horizon as a customer. However, given the extremely unstable internal political situation, Turkey is unlikely to decide on the implementation of such an expensive project (at least on the implementation of a combat helicopter project according to this scheme, the Turks have the spirit not enough), all her behavior, with loud statements, is intended to create the impression among neighbors and "allies" (primarily the United States) that things are going much better than they really are.
    1. IGS
      IGS 15 December 2013 17: 12
      +5
      And why not ... the east is a delicate matter. In any case, SAAB wins here. Not money, so advertising.
  20. alone
    alone 15 December 2013 17: 44
    +4
    Do not forget that the Turks have long been collecting F-16s under their licenses. So they have experience in something.
    1. Argon
      Argon 15 December 2013 23: 48
      -1
      They don’t collect, but assembled, purely for themselves, and the Turks probably worked there only as cleaners and security guards.
      1. alone
        alone 16 December 2013 00: 38
        +2
        do not talk nonsense! according to your words, if you think so, then no one can do anything besides the Russians! even reading is disgusting!
        1. Argon
          Argon 16 December 2013 03: 01
          +2
          There is no need to look for hints of nationalism in my words, I wanted to say that one should not expect a high-tech product from a country that does not have its own engineering school. Turkey did not survive the industrial revolution, all the projects mentioned in the comments are essentially a screwdriver assembly. As an example at the company's factory "Daimler" located in Turkey 98.9% of all managers are foreigners.
  21. Kir
    Kir 15 December 2013 17: 48
    +2
    A glider and something else can be mastered, but on an engine of its own design they are likely to stumble if China is already, and with such experience, it has not yet been able to achieve what is worthwhile.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 15 December 2013 20: 42
      +2
      Quote: Kir
      if it’s China, even with such an experience, it has not yet been able to achieve what is worthwhile.

      In terms of glider, China has the same success as the engine. With the world on a string ...
      1. Kir
        Kir 15 December 2013 21: 08
        +1
        Honestly, I believe in the potential of China a lot more, it’s another matter whether the “friends” of progress and “common humanity” will ruin it before, let alone try not to let it go, they certainly have and will, well, perhaps they themselves will go into oblivion.
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  23. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 15 December 2013 18: 58
    +2
    Yes, this is not the brilliant Porta. Which kept Europe and the whole civilized world at that time in fear. There were once achievements ...
  24. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 15 December 2013 19: 06
    +3
    Oh well. Once upon a time they laughed at the "backward" China ...
  25. The fat man
    The fat man 15 December 2013 20: 32
    0
    I understand the Turkish fighter sounds ironic for many - which proves a lot of stinging comments
    but nevertheless with what it is necessary to start with all the same, at least in order to diversify the supply of arms and not depend on anyone
    1. Kir
      Kir 15 December 2013 20: 36
      +3
      The irony is not caused by the topic itself, but by the approach to the timelines and the possibility of creating not at all but a certain level of generation. Yes, and do not forget the arms market is divided, which means that no one will simply give in, and even the latest technologies cannot be shared, that's all.
    2. family tree
      family tree 15 December 2013 20: 41
      +5
      Quote: Fat Man
      but nevertheless with what it is necessary to start with all the same, at least in order to diversify the supply of arms and not depend on anyone
      First request
  26. freedom2013
    freedom2013 15 December 2013 21: 28
    +3
    I visited in 2007 there on a business trip. There are a lot of positives: Anti-terror - fighters in armored suits are really everywhere and armed, the same reinforced concrete structures are painted yellow-black, inspecting cars for entry and exit with checking the bottom through a mirror on a pole, etc. In a word +. Salaries and living conditions - in 2007 we lagged behind, now we surpass. But they have an excellent retirement benefit for officers - enough for a house and opening a small business. Armament - and here is a complete paragraph, almost all the old stuff. Kalash of soldiers faded to the color of metal.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 15 December 2013 22: 24
      +1
      Quote: Freedom2013
      Kalash of soldiers faded to the color of metal.

      Yes, I will give everything for such a Kalash .. I wouldn’t be for the Romanian and Chinese .. varnished and looked like new .........
  27. propolsky
    propolsky 15 December 2013 22: 41
    +1
    Let them build, an independent state is better than a satellite without a choice ... It's just that the deadlines are 15-20 years nowadays ... As if compared to the planes of the future, the poker did not work.
  28. Megatron
    Megatron 16 December 2013 00: 33
    +1
    Yes, I will give everything for such a Kalash .. if you wouldn’t be for Romanian and Chinese

    And then for what? Turkish Kalash? Or is it ours, Russian? )))
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 16 December 2013 13: 25
      +1
      Quote: Megatron
      Turkish Kalash?

      it does not happen .... that Kalash from the warehouses of their GDR .... and therefore the Russian Kalash is the best !!!!!!!!!!
  29. Yeraz
    Yeraz 16 December 2013 00: 39
    +2
    Well done.
    The article shows that due to joint participation in the F-35 project, Turkish companies do not start from scratch, and others will help with the technology.
    But with the engine, it’s like there were a lot of articles where the Turks said that they would buy the engine rather than create it. Then the project is quite real. As for the dough, I understand that it’s immediately come to my mind that the Soviets got used to it, there’s a cut everywhere, but we are talking about volumes and Turkey is very far from our realities. So, financing will clearly be where it is intended, and not on furniture.
  30. The fat man
    The fat man 16 December 2013 01: 40
    0
    Quote: bagatura
    The Turkish jackal wants lions to be considered to be ... no, maybe countries as weak neighbors can only threaten. If Iran didn’t have sanctions, it was bypassed for a long time ...

    half of all churches in Bulgaria were built during the reign of the Turkish jackal in Bulgaria
    Answer My dear, what developments in the field of high technologies are currently being conducted or are Bulgaria planning to conduct?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 16 December 2013 13: 41
      +2
      Quote: Fat Man
      Answer My dear, what developments in the field of high technologies are currently being conducted or are Bulgaria planning to conduct?

      Mrazishaped)))
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