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Incomes of citizens and prices for gasoline. Who will win?

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After the publication of various notes on the incomes of citizens of the Russian Federation in many branches of discussions, readers are concerned with topics such as income growth and gasoline prices. I immediately recall the cries of the creative class, and simply dissatisfied citizens, that, say, "Salaries are rising, but prices too!" In such a situation, the conversation from the constructive channel usually immediately flows into the usual demagogy about who bought the bread or cucumbers for how much in 1999 and in 2012.


Incomes of citizens and prices for gasoline. Who will win?


By simple mathematical calculations, we will try to find out if our incomes have increased with you at all, and if they have grown, then by how much or how much in physical terms. Namely, we will try to calculate how many liters of petrol citizens could buy for their incomes from 1999 to 2012.

Why gasoline? In my opinion, this is one of the most burning topics among citizens who have the right to drive a vehicle. Honestly, the price of gasoline is changing and very unstable, as it affects only the government’s desire to replenish its budget in the form of additional taxes on gasoline sales at gas stations, but also such frequently changing parameters as oil prices, demand, the amount of gasoline produced per year, the cost of processing, transportation, maintenance of gas stations, the margin of the wholesale and retail market. But the fact that the price of gasoline is increasing every year (data for 1999, 2000, 2001-2011 and for 2012) and, sometimes, grows unevenly - an indisputable fact.



But as I wrote above, there is an opinion that revenues still growthat confirms the table below. With 2000 in Russia, there has been a rapid and continuous growth in nominal incomes of the population. Per capita income in 2012 year increased by 2000 compared to 10 year. As of April 2013, the average Russian income has reached 28800 rubles, which is absolutely unbelievable for the dashing ninetieth.



Regarding per capita incomes, some people have a certain opinion that, they say, this is not an indicator. As proof of this, they cite as an example one millionaire with an income of 2000000 per month and a hundred people receiving 8000 rubles.

Well, the argument at first glance is fair, but given the fact that the average salary is calculated in the form of 2-NDFL, that is, the official salary, with which the income tax is paid, then this example is frankly by. Moreover, you can see distribution of employees by salary from Goskomstat.



And what do we see? In 2013, the proportion of workers who had a salary below the minimum wage (5205 rubles) was 1,2% versus 1,8% in 2011.

The proportion of workers whose salary accrued exceeded 25 thousand rubles, the average for the economy increased from 27% in April 2011 to 41% in April 2013. The largest share of workers whose wages amounted to more than 25 thousand rubles, was noted in mining organizations - 75%, in financial activities - 68%, in research and development - 65%, in transport - 58% and in construction - 56%.

There is also such an indicator as median of a row the distribution of workers according to the size of wages (50% of workers have a wage less than this value and 50% of workers - more) - 21268 rubles. The average wage of workers in the Russian Federation for April is 2013. exceeded the median wage by 38%. From the link above, you can read the entire article on citizens' incomes, especially I advise those who will try to catch the author, that is, me, in hiding important facts to achieve the picture I need, because many have the idea that the article is custom or I am nashist / Air defense / kremlebot member - underline as necessary.

Well, to close the topic "AVERAGE SALARY IS NOT AN INDICATOR", let's see the dynamics by year.



That is, 78% of the working population has incomes higher than or equal to 10 thousand rubles, of which half have incomes higher than or equal to 25 thousand rubles. Who wants, can count in millions of people.

In addition, we can say that gray salaries are not taken into account here, and let's admit that many of us received salaries in envelopes, the amount of which was about two times higher than the one under which we signed, or which is indicated in your employer's declaration. Unfortunately, this practice still exists, although it is much less common than at the beginning of the 2000s.

From the above, we can conclude that the average per capita income of the population - quite a fair figure. But I think that this will not be enough for people who are sure that this is all wrong and wrong. Therefore, I propose to start to get on the Internet to the job search site and see how much they offer for this or that skilled work.

Well, now let's move on to our calculations. So, we have the average per capita income of the population by year and the price of gasoline in the corresponding period. Let's translate per capita incomes into liters of gasoline in accordance with the prices of those years. Ahead of events, I will say that another article is being prepared for publication on pensions. There we will take into account such an item of expenditure as nutrition.

And here we get a graph of the growth of income, expressed in physical units, that is, in liters of gasoline AI-92 “Regular”.



As we can see, the most gasoline we could buy in 2010, as many as 824 liters, against 238,7 liters in 1999. In 2012, we could buy less liters in 7 than in 2010, but 3,5 times more than in 1999. Actually, a lot or a little, let everyone judge for himself. My goal was to provide objective information about the growth of income and the rise in gasoline prices.
By the way, you can drive 817 11 kilometers on our Lada Grant to 200 liters of gasoline, which corresponds to the distance from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok plus another 1000 km.



As I have already said, the price of gasoline depends on a bunch of factors, and, as a natural unit, gasoline does not suit us very well. The dollar against the ruble over this period remained almost unchanged, while ruble inflation amounted to hundreds of percent. Thus, imported goods (computers, cars, trips abroad) have become much more affordable for Russians, it is enough to recalculate per capita income not in liters of gasoline, but in Tefal prices, the difference will be 10 times, while domestic goods ( products, real estate, services) have become more accessible "just" in 2-3 times, as our schedule shows.

Thus, now you can safely say that the real incomes of the population of the Russian Federation from 1999 to 2012. increased at least 5 times, or even more.

Conclusions.

1) Per capita incomes are quite an objective indicator.

2) From 1999 to 2012. population income in liters of AI-92 gasoline increased 3,5 times.

3) The nominal growth of average income was approximately 13-14 times.
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  1. pensioner
    pensioner 16 December 2013 08: 33
    51
    From 1999 to 2012 household incomes in liters of AI-92 gasoline rose 3,5 times. what I immediately remembered the incorruptible: "And in parrots, I know-a-a-a-much longer!".
    1. A.YARY
      A.YARY 16 December 2013 08: 43
      33
      Soon, Medvedev's "experiment" on the "social" norm will begin and our incomes will grow even higher, this is how the author will push us.
      1. Civil
        Civil 16 December 2013 09: 15
        19
        The author, if so strong in calculating, count us true inflation.
        1. INTER
          INTER 16 December 2013 10: 10
          22
          Quote: Civil
          The author, if so strong in calculating, count us true inflation.

          + income in the regions, and not only in Moscow and St. Petersburg))))))) As you said there, 28800 rubles in the regions did not hear about it, if 10 ty. and then bread, many of these opinions. It’s like in a joke: As the average values ​​are determined in our camp, imagine two sat down to eat a chicken, one eats, and the other looks at him, it turns out that they ate this chicken equally, i.e. half one half another.
          1. 10kAzAk01
            10kAzAk01 16 December 2013 10: 27
            +8
            ....... mdya read, that to gasoline will soon drown ...... am
          2. GDP
            GDP 16 December 2013 12: 41
            15
            The proportion of workers whose accrued wages exceeded 25 thousand rubles, on average in the economy, increased from 27% in April 2011 to 41% in April 2013

            I wonder where these statistics come from?
            Among my acquaintances, somewhere around 5,% of people with RFPs over 25000.
            This is either directors or heads of large departments, one ordinary employee of Gazprom, and a couple of builders. I live in the regional center, not such a remote place - half a million people.
            University lecturer Ph.D. 8000-15000
            System Administrator - 12-20000
            Seller - 12-18000
            watchman - 3 - 5000
            cleaning lady 3 - 5000
            Manthor - 12-16000
            ordinary worker (microelectronics) - 15-23000
            builders and repair and maintenance specialists - 15 - 25000
            10 Designers and Advertising Specialists - 25000
            I think the average salary is somewhere in the thousands of 15-18.
            There are of course exceptions, for example, some system administrators or builders can receive up to 30 000 or more
            A familiar submariner without education generally gets 100 000 p.
            But this is an average of one on 10 - 20 people.
            If you are not a military man or a builder, then the 25000 RFP in the vast majority of cases is possible only in leadership positions and then not everywhere ...
            1. finderektor
              finderektor 16 December 2013 18: 33
              0
              And in what fleet this submarine exists without education. For 30 years of service, I have not met such.
          3. soaring
            soaring 16 December 2013 13: 58
            11
            I have a disability pension of 6700 ... This is with surcharges. If under medium static (28000), I would certainly be glad !!! But alas, they are in no hurry to add, and the price of gasoline is not of interest, since it is simply not realistic to contain an iron beast ...
          4. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 17 December 2013 00: 41
            +4
            Quote: INTER
            It’s like in a joke: As the average values ​​are determined in our camp, imagine two sat down to eat a chicken, one eats, and the other looks at him, it turns out that they ate this chicken equally, i.e. half one half another.

            Or one eats cabbage, and the other meat, and all together it turns out eat cabbage laughing
            1. INTER
              INTER 17 December 2013 13: 59
              +1
              Quote: ramzes1776
              Or one eats cabbage, and the other meat, and all together it turns out eat cabbage

              Beautifully said ___)))) +
        2. sledgehammer102
          16 December 2013 13: 32
          +3
          Quote: Civil
          The author, if so strong in calculating, count us true inflation.


          I respond quite adequately to constructive criticism. You can calculate inflation specifically on gas prices, or on bread
          in 2001 bread cost 4 rubles, now 15-20
          in 2001 milk cost 3-4 rubles, now 20-25
          and so on the list
          I just don’t understand, when you say calculate real inflation, what do you mean? much more real?
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 16 December 2013 23: 37
          +1
          However, as I was in the ass (higher university education in the Russian Federation), so I stay in it ... And if it were not for the extra earnings (tutoring) and not the price of gas about half as low as for gas, then I would cry my scientific work ...
      2. Airman
        Airman 16 December 2013 10: 28
        13
        Quote: A.YARY
        Soon, Medvedev's "experiment" on the "social" norm will begin and our incomes will grow even higher, this is how the author will push us.

        Thanks to the "native party" (United Russia, headed by the LADY and the GUARANTOR) for such a "CARE" about us.
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 16 December 2013 22: 52
        +4
        Quote: A.YARY
        Soon, Medvedev's "experiment" on the "social" norm will begin and our incomes will grow even higher, this is how the author will push us.


        Dada, he also promised to force all homeless people, prostitutes and the unemployed to pay taxes. He also promised to withdraw 60 billion rubles of tax-free income from the shadows ...

        Avtyr! Tell me please, where did the ZP come from in the State Statistics Committee in 28 tons if the cost of living in my city is set at 4.5 tons? What is it that comes out of here for all of us, incomes are 6 times higher than the cost of living ???? Yes, and ### just eat ...

        PS: EVERYONE EXIT FROM DUSK!
      4. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 17 December 2013 00: 48
        +5
        Enrages that the prices for the same gasoline, and for food in Moscow, are the same as in the "provinces", where the income of the population is several times lower than in the capital.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 16 December 2013 08: 47
      30
      Quote: retired
      1999 to 2012 incomes of the population in liters of AI-92 gasoline increased 3,5 times. I immediately remembered the incorruptible: "And in parrots, I know-a-a-a-much longer!".

      In-in, to what gentlemen agitators just will not think of. The budget in barrels of oil consider, increase of our incomes in liters of gasoline. And for what?
      And all in order to prove how beautiful and amazing everything is, we are thriving. Hurray, gentlemen or comrades! wassat
      I suggest that the author also calculate the income in cubic meters of gas and in chicken eggs, and that would not be boring even in half a liter. tongue
      1. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 16 December 2013 10: 35
        +6
        Quote: baltika-18
        I suggest the author to calculate more income in cubic meters of gas

        Gazprom has problems: dreams have ended :(
        (c) KVNschiki
        This is about advertising: "Gazprom. Dreams come true."
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 16 December 2013 11: 25
          15
          Quote: Mature Naturalist
          Gazprom has problems: dreams have ended

          He has one dream. To rip off more. I turn to the author of the article. Here he estimates the welfare in liters of gasoline and it turns out that the income of the population in liters of AI-92 increased by 3,5 times compared to 2000. And if you count for example incomes of the same population in terms of natural gas, so our incomes fell by 2 times.
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      3. Armata
        Armata 16 December 2013 10: 37
        +9
        Quote: baltika-18
        and that would not be boring even in half a liter.
        Hey. Do not sway at the sacred. laughing
        1. Danash I
          Danash I 16 December 2013 19: 15
          0
          In-in! And then we will meet in a dark alley, drunk, bound ... Sorry, passerby, you could live.
      4. Yarik
        Yarik 16 December 2013 14: 46
        +2
        Bravo! Top class. Absolutely.
      5. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 17 December 2013 00: 43
        +3
        Quote: baltika-18
        I suggest that the author also calculate the income in cubic meters of gas and in chicken eggs, and that would not be boring even in half a liter.

        Still on the basis of "communal" it is necessary to calculate.
    3. shurup
      shurup 16 December 2013 08: 51
      24
      Right The number of cattle and smaller hornless fell catastrophically. But over the past period, the number of parrots on the farmsteads and farms of the Russian Federation has increased sharply, at least 250 times, which suggests a significant increase in the consumption of parrot meat. Moreover, new breeds of parrots gave a major impetus to the development of the dairy industry, at least five times per capita.
      All of the above made it possible to limit the upper bar of gas prices to the average frame.
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 16 December 2013 09: 05
        +2
        Then I found a video, maybe it will explain some points. The main thing here is to watch until the end.
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 16 December 2013 10: 40
          +6
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Then I found a video, maybe it will explain some points. The main thing here is to watch until the end.

          I stopped watching it. Well, he says, but what's the point?
          Is something changing from his explanation?
          Serdyukov is practically "non-smart", the payment for Moscow parking is offshore,
          The bad one, who was appointed to fight corruption, compiled a dissertation ...
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      2. pensioner
        pensioner 16 December 2013 18: 11
        0
        Quote: shurup
        new breeds of parrots gave a major impetus to the development of the dairy industry

        Milking Parrot ??? belay And where will his udder be what?
        1. Danash I
          Danash I 16 December 2013 19: 17
          0
          Catch Learn. Report.
    4. SolomonSS
      SolomonSS 16 December 2013 09: 21
      18
      I don’t understand something, the author of the article wants to say that the cost of gasoline that we pay is justified? One cannot agree with this. In small cities s / n is 10-12t.r. in villages and that 6 tr And what they say in the news, S / N is growing at a cosmic pace, deception and nothing but.

      Here is a clipping of what the cost of gasoline is made up of from the response of the Federal Antimonopoly Service to me. It seemed to me that the antimonopoly service is engaged in the justification of our oil companies, and unsubscribes.
    5. yan
      yan 16 December 2013 09: 43
      +9
      and in relation to 1913, it’s scary to think how much we are ahead in fellow "grams of gasoline"
    6. Airman
      Airman 16 December 2013 10: 13
      12
      Quote: retired
      From 1999 to 2012 household incomes in liters of AI-92 gasoline rose 3,5 times. what I immediately remembered the incorruptible: "And in parrots, I know-a-a-a-much longer!".

      The average per capita income is the average temperature of hospital patients, including the morgue.
    7. Megatron
      Megatron 16 December 2013 13: 18
      +6
      The main part is taken by our "native" state.
      1. yur
        yur 16 December 2013 23: 03
        +2
        If you look closely at your beautiful picture, it turns out that a poor entrepreneur for 10 rubles. bought raw materials, spent 2,5 times more on processing, paid 55 rubles. taxes to the evil state and still remained with a profit of 8 rubles. "It's fantastic, son."
    8. sledgehammer102
      16 December 2013 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: retired
      1999 to 2012 incomes of the population in liters of AI-92 gasoline increased 3,5 times. I immediately remembered the incorruptible: "And in parrots, I know-a-a-a-much longer!".


      You can count in the parrots, just tell me where I lied ????
      Constantly, when a discussion about income arises, the thesis pops up that income is nominal, but prices are real, and everything is as it was, and they give 99 gasoline for 6 rubles and now for 30 as an example ... So you don’t have to consider rubles, or just provide a REAL increase in salaries, but in gasoline, since it is no longer possible to prove in another way ...
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 16 December 2013 13: 39
        +4
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        just tell me where I lied ????

        Well, first of all, I didn’t conduct speeches about stop . Just immediately the idea arose to recalculate income in some other equivalent repeat . For not having the desire to engage in such recounts, I give this to you ... And secondly (with my fool point of view, of course ...) the calculation of income using 1 (one) equivalent is unconvincing, no matter how fundamental it (equivalent) seems ... In principle, this is exactly what I had in mind.
        1. sledgehammer102
          16 December 2013 13: 56
          +2
          Quote: retired
          Well, first of all, I didn’t conduct speeches about lies. Just immediately the idea arose to count the income in some other equivalent. For not having the desire to engage in such recounts, I give this to you ..


          Work is underway, it will be soon, the article says about it. Before publication, I expected something like this * p * a * h, which was played out in the comments.


          Quote: retired
          And secondly (from my point of view, of course ...) the calculation of income using 1 (one) equivalent is unconvincing, no matter how fundamental it (equivalent) seems ... In principle, this is exactly what I had in mind.


          In the next article, many of the claims made here will be considered. Thank you for your constructive criticism. + 1
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 16 December 2013 15: 59
        +7
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        just tell me where I lied

        Rosstat is lying, and you’re following right now, because you rely on their data. Everything depends on the calculation method. If we have inflation of 6%, it doesn’t exceed 15%, and if it exceeds it, it’s a little bit according to the method of Rosstat. ? After all, if we assume that we calculate the consumer basket, inflation is 18-XNUMX%. And Rosstat will add luxury goods for which prices rise little, and sometimes even drop, so much for the reduction of inflation.
        Personally, the biggest doubt was caused by the figure that more than half of the working population have a salary of more than 15 thousand.
        Yes, and the average is also such a concept. The governor is 180 thousand, the cattleman 10 thousand, milkmaid 12. Plus, there are regions where the average is higher than the national average, but there are higher prices, and there are regions where the average is lower than the national average. Ivanovo Region for 2012 the average year is 13.5 thousand. And most of these regions.
        1. 31231
          31231 16 December 2013 17: 18
          -5
          Dear, if Rosstat is lying to you, then I dare to assume that the echo of matzah is not lying to you.
          If you were even a little familiar with accounting, you would not chat this nonsense.
          Although yes, Rosstat carries out calculations based on data submitted by legal entities and IPs, and does not take into account black salary and kalym.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 16 December 2013 17: 36
            +4
            Quote: 31231
            if Rosstat is lying to you

            He considers it so beneficial to power structures.
            Quote: 31231
            Echo matzah is not lying to you.

            What is this?
            Quote: 31231
            If you were even a little familiar with accounting, you would not chat this nonsense.

            Piz .. there are no bags to roll.
            And the article is not nonsense?
            1. 31231
              31231 16 December 2013 18: 37
              -3
              I saw only the set minus and not a single argument.
              If you do not believe the data of Rostat, justify, and do not hang stamps "on the veracity of these state institutions." Let me remind you that Solzhenitsyn and Rezun demonstrated the same position at one time, not believing the official data.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 16 December 2013 19: 45
                +4
                Quote: 31231
                If you do not believe the data of Rostat, justify

                6% inflation. Isn't that enough?
                Count the consumer basket, without gold, holiday abroad, cars, furs. For example, bread went up by 15% compared to last year, chicken eggs by 38%, butter by 28%, milk by 15%, etc. for basic food products, for basic types of clothing and household chemicals, utilities.
                You will get inflation in the range of 15-20%.
                Why should I believe Rosstat with its 6%.
                I don’t fucking need any gold, nor a Bentley, nor a sable, with a mink, and I don’t go abroad either, I rest in the garden. But on the basis of these calculations of Rosstat, pensions and benefits are indexed. We have that for pensioners fur and gold interesting, or foreign cars?
                And the set itself in the consumer basket is honestly understated.
                1. Armata
                  Armata 16 December 2013 19: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  6% inflation. Isn't that enough?
                  Count the consumer basket, without gold, holiday abroad, cars, furs. For example, bread went up by 15% compared to last year, chicken eggs by 38%, butter by 28%, milk by 15%, etc. for basic food products, for basic types of clothing and household chemicals, utilities.
                  Do not argue on friendly terms. Now there will be arguments that he personally is not to blame for the reasons for your personal standard of living. So forget it, generation of managers, but when we leave, what will they yell? And in general, they are already yelling like "We could sell, write off for money, destroy for candy wrappers, but now everything will be covered in chocolate." I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!!! You can call Stanislavsky. By the way, not hunting and in a hurry to develop something new for the Next generation. You won't get more money and orders, you won't even get a certificate.
                  1. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 16 December 2013 20: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Friends do not argue.

                    Yes, he finds it sometimes, Zhenya. Hunting with "managers" will help. Winter, little work. All January still play the fool. In February, the movement will only begin.
                2. 31231
                  31231 16 December 2013 20: 25
                  -3
                  Explosive materials in 2013 rose by 6-7%, drilling tools somewhere by 5%. I can easily throw off the invoice tomorrow for calculation.
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 16 December 2013 21: 57
                +4
                Quote: 31231
                I saw only the set minus and not a single argument
                Hi Seryoz. What - again, you demand arguments and evidence, while not providing them yourself? laughing

                If you do not believe the data of Rostat, justify
                Do you believe them? Justify smile

                Let me remind you that Solzhenitsyn and Rezun did not believe the official data in the same time.
                That's all your type of "arguments" - an attempt to influence the emotions of the interlocutor laughing
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 16 December 2013 21: 51
          +6
          Quote: baltika-18
          Personally, the biggest doubt was caused by the figure that more than half of the working population have a salary of over 15 thousand

          Whether or not they have, by and large, does not matter: everyone can estimate the real cost of living - he will be in the region of twenty.
      3. yur
        yur 16 December 2013 23: 16
        +7
        In 2001, I received a pension of 1800 rubles and paid 230 rubles for housing and communal services (I specially climbed on the cupboards, looking for receipts). Now I have a pension of almost 11000 rubles. and last month I paid 4300 rubles for housing and communal services. Those. my pension has increased 6 times, and the cost of housing and communal services almost 20 times. So your "petrol" calculations are at least incorrect
    9. starshina78
      starshina78 16 December 2013 19: 19
      +3
      Bravo !!! This is about parrots. I wonder by whom and for whom the calculation was made regarding salaries and so on? Nonsense! It always amazes me how they are accustomed to calculating our average salary, and after receiving the results, peer at these indicators everywhere and from all the stands. I have already given an example that the average salary in a hospital is 29000 rubles (which hospital and where it is not important), but the salary of a nurse is 7500, and that of the head doctor is 80000, other doctors, depending on their qualifications, are 10000 - 20000, but there are nurses who have different salaries, but an average of 29000! Bullshit? The reality! The head physician has three more deputies with a salary from 45 to 000, so it turns out so average! In general, as the average temperature in the hospital! So in Russia, the average salary.
    10. karal
      karal 16 December 2013 19: 21
      +2
      The price of gasoline is practically independent of the price of oil, as In our factories, the processing depth is very small. negative
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 16 December 2013 19: 47
        +4
        oil rises in price - gasoline rises in price
        oil is getting cheaper - gas is getting more expensive
        wassat
        ... but gasoline is getting more expensive anyway ...
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 16 December 2013 23: 39
          +2
          Quote: kaktus
          oil rises in price - gasoline rises in price
          oil is getting cheaper - gas is getting more expensive

          The ruble is getting cheaper - prices are rising
          The ruble is getting more expensive - prices are rising.
          And it is always (as in the situation with fuel) economically feasible. request
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    12. alone
      alone 16 December 2013 21: 06
      +1
      fellow every Russian fuel truck with gasoline every month. laughing

      and did real inflation take into account? or not?
  2. vlad0
    vlad0 16 December 2013 08: 38
    39
    Well done!!!! Now I calmed down, but I thought that everything was gone recourse
    Three years ago, by 1 tr. poured more than 40 liters, now less than 30. I thought, everything, crisis! But it turns out I got up abruptly fellow
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 16 December 2013 09: 08
      18
      Quote: vlad0
      ... Now I have calmed down ... fellow


      And you find read on the Internet an interview with the former director of the Research Institute of Statistics of the State Statistics Committee of Russia Vasily Simcher.
      According to his calculations, we overpay for goods and services more than half of the amounts indicated on the price tags .... And apparently this is not the limit ... All this is the result of the incredible greed of company owners and the so-called power vertical.
      1. optimist
        optimist 16 December 2013 12: 07
        +8
        Quote: Vladimir.z.
        All this is the result of the incredible greed of company owners and the so-called power vertical.

        It is precisely in this that the "dog rummaged"! Prices will go up as long as people buy. If it were possible to sell breathing air, our "Abramovichs" would be warmed up on this too. In addition, (as it seems to me), there is another important factor: with the help of rising prices, fines, etc. the authorities are simply trying to reduce the number of motorists. It's much easier than building new roads, infrastructure, etc. And if you really really honestly figure it out, then to hell there are such that they almost drive a car to the toilet to shit. Instead of using city transport and their own feet, many "bars" will sit for hours in traffic jams and fire precious gasoline and time, but will never lift their butts. Do not make money on such "zozhravshisya L. ohah" - the height of stupidity! laughing
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 16 December 2013 16: 00
          +8
          The car is not a luxury, but a means of transportation. If from home to the nearest stop "gorotransport", or rather, "zagotransport" 40 minutes walk past the stray packs of dogs, I still prefer a car. Especially schoolchildren who walk along this road to a stop in winter. As a result, to the exit to the highway in a car can be jam-packed with children, not counting their three. Plus, it is very pleasant to push during rush hour in a crowded bus or trolleybus. And also packed minibuses also go and wait in the cold for half an hour for more or less a free bus, or when they in a friendly jamb go to the park in the middle of the working day. I have sipped a full spoon of all this city transport for about 30 years, as far back as I can remember. And more or less prosperous 80s and fucking 90s and ripped off 2000s. work by city transport food. So we swam, we know. By the way, we have more or less, but travel by buses in Moscow and the Moscow region, in my opinion, will be much more expensive than driving your own car. Let our "management" first establish a normal the work of the city transport so that it goes everywhere and in a comfortable quantity, so that it runs at least on schedule and that the cost of tickets does not rise 2-3 times a year. And then he transplants people to this city transport.
          1. optimist
            optimist 16 December 2013 22: 50
            +2
            Quote: alicante11
            If from home to the nearest stop of "gorotransport", or rather, "zagotransport" 40 minutes walk past the stray pack of dogs, I still prefer the car.

            You see, each has its own situation and circumstances. Of course, it’s possible that without a car, no way! Although some 20 years ago, the VAZ classic was a luxury that few had. And nothing, people were happier then than now. Personally, I will not sit behind the wheel of an extreme need. And the point is not that I feel sorry for the money for gas, but that I prefer to walk more when mountains are needed. transport or taxi. Often you have to be in Rostov-on-Don and in Krasnodar. So it’s really on foot Faster turns out. Not to mention the problem of parking and traffic restrictions. Our redneck gathered a bunch of credit wheelbarrows and they don’t know how you @ to fight in front of people. And in the same Moscow, some snickering ch.mo will sit for hours in a wheelbarrow, but will not even think to go down the subway ....
  3. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 16 December 2013 08: 38
    14
    The graphics are certainly interesting, beautiful and clear .... But you know, when you leave 40 rubles 20 kopecks per liter of gasoline at a gas station, for some reason it’s not very happy ..
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 16 December 2013 08: 50
      12
      In the Far East, the price of gas stations in cities is already close to 40 rubles. And in remote villages, a liter of D / T last year cost 45р / л.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 16 December 2013 10: 50
        +8
        Quote: Bongo
        And in remote villages, the liter D / T last year was 45r / l.

        Since December last year, diesel fuel in Murmansk is more expensive than 95. I got on the Internet for clarifications. It turns out that diesel fuel has risen rapidly due to the cold winter in Europe !!! What is the sexual relationship here, I did not understand. But since then spring, summer and autumn have already passed, and diesel fuel has not fallen in price. Spring in Germany specially looked at the prices of gas stations. Diesel fuel is cheaper than 92. request
  4. queen
    queen 16 December 2013 08: 41
    20
    In the States, in general 12-14 rubles for ours ... and he is imported. Now they will give us a gift for NG, travel by metro 40r, gasoline by 50r, housing and communal services by 25% .And now I need to sharpen the forks. I am silent about the car tax , but with insurance, it’s generally a complete deception and the imposition of services, housing prices are not from this galaxy. In general, we have stability))))
    1. Akim
      Akim 16 December 2013 10: 44
      +2
      Quote: regin
      In the States, generally 12-14 rubles for ours ... and he imported

      In America, depending on state min. prices range from 85 cents to a dollar per liter. But they have a discount system. If you pour more than 3 gallons (about 11,5 liters) at once, then it’s cheaper. In general, the Americans used to measure everything in gallons, but now the gas stations have been converted to liters (they also have a crisis).
      My advice is to switch to gas!
      1. queen
        queen 16 December 2013 11: 12
        +5
        Quote: Akim
        My advice is to switch to gas!


        Gas is not an option. The engine lives on gas much less, the gas is dry, the piston gas covers quickly, there are constant problems with the equipment, since the engine control system is configured for gasoline, and this is not safe. Savings will result in high costs.
        1. Akim
          Akim 16 December 2013 11: 49
          +2
          Quote: regin
          Gas is not an option. The engine lives on gas much less

          Earlier half a million on Sens with HBO. Now my MK-2 is 30 thousand, MK MK 90 thousand. Of all of the above, you just need to monitor the adjustment and it is explosive (you need to have a good exhaust hood in the garage) if you leave the car filled up for the night. Everything else is untrue. Quite the contrary.
        2. 311ove
          311ove 16 December 2013 16: 20
          +3
          Somehow not so ... There was a Record 2,0l. Gas Italian Vialle in my opinion. Took in the 95th about 10-year-old with mileage under 130 thousand. Sold in early 2002 with 360 mileage somewhere ... Candles and those just changed repeat Consumption for gasoline 8-9 liters, for gas 10-12 liters. I had to travel this way and that - there were no propane gas stations on my routes at times in those days. Traction on gas is slightly worse, but the engine is definitely "quieter". I was not worried about the danger of explosion either, although I rarely stood in the garage, but I never heard the smell. Yes, I changed the membrane on the reducer once ... So the gas is very, very ... especially when it cost 50% of the A-92 .... IMHO hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 16 December 2013 17: 00
            +1
            Quote: 311ove
            So the gas is very, very ... especially when it cost 50% of the A-92 .... IMHO

            I have 94 horses in the engine. On gas - this is 86. The dynamics is reduced and consumption is increasing. But in general, I save 250 hryvnias per thousand kilometers. In addition, there is no carbon deposits, reduced oil pollution of the motor. Gas burns completely. Almost no exhaust. Cleaner ecology. Now, almost every gas station has a gas station. But no, we’ll get there on harmful gasoline. I am for gas. Down with the gas!
            1. 311ove
              311ove 16 December 2013 23: 28
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              . In addition, there is no carbon deposits, reduced oil pollution of the motor. Gas burns completely. Almost no exhaust. Cleaner ecology. Now, almost every gas station has a gas station. But no, we’ll get there on harmful gasoline. I am for gas. Down with the gas!

              I agree. This is me, Regin tried to answer, and now I’ve learned to quote belay And so I am in favor of gas, although I drive on gasoline - the point is not even that the current capabilities still allow, but perhaps rather that there are no complete sets from the factory. Somehow I didn't want to "pick" ... and the space in the trunk in the sedan is lost ...
              1. Akim
                Akim 17 December 2013 08: 05
                +1
                Quote: 311ove
                but perhaps rather that there are no complete sets from the factory. Somehow I didn't want to "pick" ... and the space in the trunk in the sedan is lost ...

                I have a hatch. In Ukraine, all ZAZ and Geely HBO are commissioned directly at the factory. or at their tech center. Pay extra 5000 hryvnias and onward. A gas cylinder is placed instead of a spare tire. Trunk volume is lost, because bought a dokatka. If you are not a taxi driver and do not carry your bags to the station every day, this is quite bearable.
                1. 311ove
                  311ove 17 December 2013 11: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  In Ukraine, all ZAZ and Geely HBO are commissioned directly at the factory. or at their tech center.
                  With "swear nimtsy" everything is more complicated .... And I think you can't fit into 5000g. With this one I certainly don't think to do anything - it's time to sell ... and the next one - I want a diesel, rather. hi
        3. 31231
          31231 16 December 2013 17: 23
          +4
          About dry piston wild myth. I don’t drive it myself, but my friends drive a lot and not one of them did not touch the engine. Both on Russian motors and on imported ones.
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 16 December 2013 22: 46
            0
            Quote: 31231
            About dry piston wild myth

            This is not a myth, but nonsense. CPG is lubricated with oil. hi
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 December 2013 22: 13
      +3
      Quote: regin
      I’m silent about the tax on cars
  5. Severomorsk
    Severomorsk 16 December 2013 08: 43
    27
    The price of gasoline!
    Venezuela - 0,47 rub,
    Turkmenistan - 0,68 rub,
    Iran - 2,39 rub,
    Libya - 4,17 RUB
    UAE - 12,27 rub,
    Azerbaijan - 4,37 rub,
    Kazakhstan - 17,97 rub,
    USA - up to 18,00 rub,
    Russia - 30 rub.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 16 December 2013 09: 11
      19
      Quote: Severomorsk
      The price of gasoline!
      Venezuela - 0,47 rub,
      Turkmenistan - 0,68 rub,
      Iran - 2,39 rub,
      Libya - 4,17 RUB
      UAE - 12,27 rub,
      Azerbaijan - 4,37 rub,
      Kazakhstan - 17,97 rub,
      USA - up to 18,00 rub,
      Russia - 30 rub.

      well, we don’t have our own oil, everything belongs to corporations, which in turn belong to hell, who knows ...
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 December 2013 13: 32
        -4
        Quote: PSih2097
        well, we don’t have our own oil, everything belongs to corporations, which in turn belong to hell, who knows ...

        You do not understand? All developed countries knowingly overestimate the price of fuel, using various legislative methods. This forces the consumer (not private trader) to invest in development, in technology.
    2. artifox
      artifox 16 December 2013 09: 13
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Severomorsk
      The price of gasoline!
      Venezuela - 0,47 rub,
      Turkmenistan - 0,68 rub,
      Iran - 2,39 rub,
      Libya - 4,17 RUB
      UAE - 12,27 rub,
      Azerbaijan - 4,37 rub,
      Kazakhstan - 17,97 rub,
      USA - up to 18,00 rub,
      Russia - 30 rub.

      Let's continue:
      The world record for fuel costs is oil producing Norway. There, on average, a liter of gasoline costs 84,5 rubles. More than 80 rubles will have to pay for a liter of fuel if you go to Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands or Greece.

      Get ready to give more than 70 rubles per liter at gas stations in Sweden, the UK, Belgium, France, Finland, Germany, Ireland and Turkey. In Hong Kong, a liter of gasoline costs 77,6 rubles.

      More than two times more expensive than in Russia, gasoline will cost not only in Slovakia, Hungary, Czech Republic, Spain, Slovenia, Austria, Poland and Bulgaria, but also in the border countries of the former USSR. In particular, in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia a liter of fuel costs 63,3 rubles, 63,2 and 61,5 respectively.

      You will have to pay more than 60 rubles per liter of fuel if you go by car in Japan or South Korea.

      In Europe, the cheapest gasoline in Romania: they ask for 95 rubles per liter of the 57,5th. Within 55 rubles is a liter of fuel in Brazil and India.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 16 December 2013 09: 15
        11
        Quote: artifox
        In Europe, the cheapest gasoline in Romania: they ask for 95 rubles per liter of the 57,5th. Within 55 rubles is a liter of fuel in Brazil and India.

        So we strive there, judging by the actions of our government ...
      2. queen
        queen 16 December 2013 09: 20
        14
        Quote: artifox
        Let's continue:

        Now compare the incomes of the population of these countries. The unemployment benefit is higher than our salaries. What were you saying?
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 16 December 2013 09: 33
          +3
          Quote: regin
          Now compare the incomes of the population of these countries. The unemployment benefit is higher than our salaries. What were you saying?

          Video about life and salary in Europe ...
        2. artifox
          artifox 16 December 2013 13: 18
          -2
          Quote: regin
          Now compare the incomes of the population of these countries. The unemployment benefit is higher than our salaries. What were you saying?

          I can only quote myself from another topic:

          Salary in Europe is not higher. And taking into account some prices (including gasoline), it turns out that even if income is (even slightly) higher, then the expenses there are higher. That's why everyone lives on credit - while the credit dependence of the Europeans is much higher than in Russia.

          Now let's go further - what kind of Europe do we mean, saying that there are higher salaries? Maybe a poor Bulgaria? Or Romania? Or maybe Slovakia or Slovenia?

          Have you been a young man in Europe for a long time? I’ve been there regularly - so I’ll tell you - life isn’t better there, and sometimes even worse. Do not get fooled by maydaunas on a beautiful wrapper - take a step to the right or left. Open your eyes.


          And at the expense of the fact that products are cheaper - also wrong. Again, looking where and depending on what. Bread is more expensive, Dutch tomatoes are cheaper. Since consumer goods are mainly Turkish and not Chinese, then it is more expensive - although, undoubtedly, the quality is higher - although this is not very relevant.

          In any case, it is wrong to separate income from expenses. And if you don’t separate them, then the rich will be in Europe and not ... Well, unless Germany has a higher middle class, well, it is not for nothing that it feeds all of Europe ...

          In the same way, as with the "snickering" Moscow - yes, the income is higher, but the expenses are such that the standard of living is not much higher than in the provinces. Himself from the province - I can compare.

          So it’s good where we are not. This is an axiom. And all the statistics are lying.
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          2. Hon
            Hon 16 December 2013 13: 37
            +4
            Just yesterday, a friend (lives in St. Petersburg) returned from Finland, went for groceries and household chemicals. And why are costs higher in Europe? In Spain, for example, after an average annual income after taxes of 22 thousand Jews, the cost of food is approximately comparable to Russian prices, the cost of housing is approximately the same as in Saratov, a small apartment can be purchased for 1,5-2 million if you transfer to rubles, a mortgage of 3 up to 4,5%, medicine is free and of a very high level. There are problems with unemployment, but you can live better on benefits than on our salary. If we take Romania or Bulgaria, then probably the standard of living is really comparable to the Russian, maybe even worse. In Germany, the conditions for the unemployed are generally chocolate, many because of this do not seek to seek work. By the way, they are all in loans because the interest rate is low, it is not burdensome to take a loan, and we have enslaving conditions, so people only take it from hopelessness.
            1. POMA
              POMA 16 December 2013 15: 17
              0
              I am so amused by this new fashion, chemicals and products from Finland, my wife buys only Finnish "feri", and the same deRmo as ours, without any differences.
              Our manufacturer has so discriminated against himself that for a long time we will look at the hillocks.
              Although I must admit that they have better coffee.
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              2. Hon
                Hon 16 December 2013 15: 28
                +3
                Yesterday I said that the chemistry there is better, like a powder washes better, etc. the price seems to be similar in her calculations. I don’t know how true, it doesn’t bother me much. But if I lived near the Belarusian border, I would definitely ride there for groceries, IMHO is much better, cheaper and better than what is sold here. True, they say the same thing in Soviet times, Belarusian products were better than those sold in the RSFSR.
              3. Setrac
                Setrac 16 December 2013 15: 48
                +2
                Quote: POMA
                Our manufacturer has so discriminated against himself that for a long time we will look at the hillocks.

                Apparently it is not "our manufacturer discredited", but rather advertised himself from abroad. Well, the Russians are not strong in terms of deceiving their neighbors, and even those far away, unlike the West.
                1. POMA
                  POMA 19 December 2013 15: 17
                  0
                  Damn just noticed that he wrote, thanks Sergey for correcting.
          3. yur
            yur 17 December 2013 00: 13
            +1
            The costs in Moscow are higher if only walking around the taverns without getting out and public transport is more expensive (well, the routes there are 3-7 times longer than, for example, in my native Smolensk). Products in chain stores, from live crayfish to a banal loaf of bread, are much cheaper than in the so-called. provinces, utility bills are also less than in many regions of Russia. At the same time, it is necessary to take into account the support of the Moscow government to pensioners, state employees, the police, so that the standard of living in the capital is undeservedly much higher than in Russia. And why not deservedly you already, probably, know t. Neither in Russia nor in the whole world can one find a statistic that would answer how many tons of oil and cubic meters of gas were produced in Moscow last year, how many cars were produced, airplanes were built, million tons of grain were grown. Therefore, to paraphrase the classic, I just want to ask: "Where does the money come from, Zin !?".
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 17 December 2013 10: 08
              +2
              Quote: yur
              so the standard of living in the capital is undeservedly much higher than in Russia

              You are wrong: this is the standard of living in Russia as a whole undeservedly lower.
        3. old rocket man
          old rocket man 16 December 2013 18: 06
          -4
          Quote: regin
          Quote: artifox
          Let's continue:

          Now compare the incomes of the population of these countries. The unemployment benefit is higher than our salaries. What were you saying?

          That is, in this case, do you agree to evaluate welfare by the ratio of the price of gasoline to per capita income?
          But in "Europe" everything is many times more expensive, except for durable goods such as cars and electronics, if you compare the prices of food, cigarettes, alcohol and housing, you can go crazy
          1. Hon
            Hon 16 December 2013 18: 21
            +1
            If you compare housing prices, then in Europe it is cheaper, and cheaper not in comparison with Moscow but in comparison with all of Russia.
            Sale Price: 53 000
            Price per sq.m.: 449.15 €
            Total rooms: 5
            Number of bedrooms: 3
            Number of bathrooms: 2
            Area: 118 m2
            Floor: 1
            New home
            Address: Spain, Costa Blanca, Street SANTA CECILIA, 36 OLIVA, Valencia
            Location:
            by the sea


            Sale price: 49 080 €
            Price per sq.m.: 818 €
            Total rooms: 2
            Number of bedrooms: 1
            Number of bathrooms: 1
            Area: 60 m2
            Floor: 3
            New home
            Address: Spain, Costa Blanca, Street Planes s / n number 0
            Location:
            by the sea

            Country: Germany
            City: Duisburg
            Type: apartment
            Area: 35
            Price: 23 000 €


            Country: Germany
            City: Cologne
            Type: apartment
            Area: 40
            Price: 25 000 €

            Products cost about the same as ours, something more expensive than something cheaper. Low interest rates on loans, especially for mortgages. Cigarettes, alcohol is really expensive, it’s the policy of the state, we will probably go the same way, I think is right. Medicine in Europe is not like in the USA, mostly free, and very high quality. I forgot to mention that their communal apartment is really very expensive, feel free to multiply our rates by 2. If you look at the general life in Europe in most countries is cheaper than in Russia. There are expensive countries, but they have the highest incomes.
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      3. REDBLUE
        REDBLUE 16 December 2013 09: 56
        0
        not true in Greece, the cost of benz 1,45 euros
      4. pv1005
        pv1005 16 December 2013 09: 56
        +9
        Who allowed us to be behind the entire planet? Urgently catch up and overtake Norway at the cost of gasoline.
      5. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 December 2013 14: 31
        +4
        Quote: artifox
        The world record holder for fuel costs is oil-producing Norway

        The average salary in the world in 2013
        Countries of the world Average monthly salary, USD
        Norway 5500
        USA 4300
        Germany 4000
        Japan 3900
        Greece 2400
        South Korea 2200
        Estonia 1150
        Chile 1100
        Czech Republic 1300
        Bulgaria 1000
        Russia 900
        Kazakhstan 640
        Azerbaijan 510
        Georgia 420
        Ukraine 390
        Belarus * 320
        Kyrgyzstan 230
        Source: Average salary in 2013 in Russia and in the world bs-life.ru
      6. Stas
        Stas 16 December 2013 19: 34
        +3
        Quote: artifox
        You will have to pay more than 60 rubles per liter of fuel if you go by car in Japan or South Korea.


        Here is the number, I did not know that in Japan, South Korea, Germany, Holland and some other countries, oil is extracted in hundreds of thousands of tons (barrels) !!! And the standard of living and salary there are much higher than in Russia (I personally visited most of these countries - I know by hearsay). And in the same Norway, which produces oil, the state pays big benefits from its sale citizens of their country. If you are comparing, then compare the other factors. Otherwise, it is verbiage, not supported by anything.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 December 2013 09: 22
      +6
      Quote: Severomorsk
      The price of gasoline!

      In Egypt, you can buy 2 liters of gasoline and 3 liters of solariums per dollar.
    4. 31231
      31231 16 December 2013 09: 23
      0
      Dear, you at least check your stuffing ?! Or just to the people to throw noodles on the ears ?!
      Everything is in Google now. United States beginning of the year - 30 rubles, December - 26,5 rubles.
      Then google it?
      That week in Vietnam I refueled at 34,5 rubles.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 16 December 2013 09: 54
        +5
        Is Vietnam a leading oil producer?
        1. 31231
          31231 16 December 2013 18: 21
          +1
          The country fully provides itself with oil, like Russia. Or you, like many here, did not know this.?! Moreover, they ride motorbikes to save money. Have you tried to sit on a moped in the summer? Ile is dumb ?! But they do not aspire and are happy and smiling.
          1. Hon
            Hon 16 December 2013 18: 31
            +4
            Quote: 31231
            Moreover, they ride motorbikes to save

            How to say. the vast majority can not afford a car, there is a tax when buying 100% of the cost of a car to the state, in addition, people are already poor, therefore they have to ride a moped or walk. If life isn’t the road, you can take a moped, we still don’t have Vietnam, it’s not difficult to find yourself under the KamAZ.
            1. 31231
              31231 16 December 2013 19: 15
              +1
              I will sadden you, but they have a lower percentage of deaths in accidents. Moreover, in two weeks I saw only one accident with scratches.
              Maybe it's not a motobike ?! And the reckless armor of the tank will not save ?!
              1. Hon
                Hon 16 December 2013 19: 23
                0
                Quote: 31231
                I will sadden you, but they have a lower percentage of deaths in accidents. Moreover, in two weeks I saw only one accident with scratches. Maybe it's not a motobike ?! And the reckless armor of the tank will not save ?!

                And you let them go on our roads, and mortality will increase, by the way, they don’t follow the rules at all, the traffic is chaotic, the benefit of a car is not that big. try to get scratched when kissing with a kamaz. By the way, their 50 cubic meters will not even be allowed on our highway, traffic rules are prohibited.
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      2. Hon
        Hon 16 December 2013 09: 55
        +4
        Quote: 31231
        That week in Vietnam I refueled at 34,5 rubles.

        Found oil in Vietnam? belay
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 16 December 2013 10: 16
          +3
          Quote: Hon
          Did you find oil in Vietnam? belay

          Yes, actually for a long time already. (Google "Vietsovpetro" if not lazy wink )
          On the shelf. Do you think they should not buy ships and submarines from the Russian Federation? No way, not in vain. There are still many who claim this shelf.
          1. 31231
            31231 16 December 2013 14: 35
            0
            Sorry, you got ahead of me with the answer. And then the all-sender is outraged, and the arguments are not so important. Or maybe it’s worth bringing them into the category of Raguli already?
            1. Hon
              Hon 16 December 2013 14: 44
              +3
              Actually, I really didn’t know that there was oil in Vietnam, since the conversation was about oil-producing countries, I asked a question.
              1. 31231
                31231 16 December 2013 16: 23
                -7
                I turned to the direct not to you. Because many moaning is already tired of the order. Some data from Rosstat are doubtful. But Rosstat gives the most accurate figure WHITE salary. Most of you have not even looked at the tables; the main thing is to put a minus. And the percentage in the salary intervals is thoroughly written in the tables, and you don’t have to write a cheap stamp, that the teacher has 12 thousand in the village, and the legarchs have 12 lyamas. There all these percentages are painted.
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                2. Hon
                  Hon 16 December 2013 16: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: 31231
                  . Some data from Rosstat are doubtful. But Rosstat gives the most accurate figure WHITE salary.

                  laughing laughing laughing laughing The exact data of ROSSTAT)))) And what do they read on maps or on coffee grounds do not indicate?))) In addition to jokes, even a person far from statistics understands that it is incorrect to consider the standard of living and purchasing power based solely on fuel prices, but simply put slyly. If we consider the cost of fuel and lubricants, then the union lived richer, since it was possible to fill in gasoline for the most unlucky average salary, and if you count on vodka, it’s better now than in the union, since at least you have a drink on the average Rosstat salary.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 16 December 2013 18: 41
                    -2
                    Doubt about Rosstat data ?! Justify why ?! Or how Rezun and Solzhenitsyn limited herself to the cheap phrase "The regime is lying!"
              2. Landwarrior
                Landwarrior 16 December 2013 23: 00
                0
                HonYes, I understand. This is just one of those moments that the Yankees did not know in the 60s-70s and then nibbled on their elbows. laughing
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            3. Landwarrior
              Landwarrior 16 December 2013 22: 59
              0
              31231 Sorry. A man who wasn’t very forum-minded and unread previous articles for Vietnam, where it was written why the Charlie Navy was being raised laughing
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        3. baltika-18
          baltika-18 16 December 2013 10: 49
          +2
          Quote: Hon
          Oil found in Vietnam

          Field "White Tiger". In 1986, industrial production. The deposits are estimated at 191 million tons of oil and 190 billion cubic meters of gas. It was discovered by USSR specialists in 1983, thanks to a new concept of oil formation put forward by scientists of the USSR. By the way, there was also oil in Siberia. found on the basis of this new concept. Its essence is that oil is formed not from organic remains, as is commonly believed, but due to chemical reactions in the deep layers of the earth. According to it, oil fields tend to recover after a certain period of time. Oil in Vietnam was discovered at a depth of 3000 meters.
        4. Not served
          Not served 16 December 2013 12: 45
          +2
          Yes, they did. On the shelf, a rather large field.
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    5. 31231
      31231 16 December 2013 09: 28
      -3
      Googled further.
      Azerbaijan - 0,75 euros (95th) - 31,5 rubles.
      Norway - 1,84 euros - 77, 28 rubles.

      Alyosha Navalny, is that you?
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      3. Neighbor
        Neighbor 16 December 2013 11: 23
        +5
        In Norway, oil income is not for small and for citizens of this state.
    6. bif
      bif 16 December 2013 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: Severomorsk
      USA - up to 18,00 rub,
      Russia - 30 rub.

      Russia and the USA 2013year AI-92 by 29r.liter .... learn the part
      http://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/?redirectto=http://fuelgaugereport.opisnet.com/in

      dex.asp
    7. Apollo
      Apollo 16 December 2013 16: 04
      +6
      Quote: Severomorsk
      The price of gasoline!
      Venezuela - 0,47 rub,
      Turkmenistan - 0,68 rub,
      Iran - 2,39 rub,
      Libya - 4,17 RUB
      UAE - 12,27 rub,
      Azerbaijan - 4,37 rub,
      Kazakhstan - 17,97 rub,
      USA - up to 18,00 rub,
      Russia - 30 rub.


      Good day to all hi
      Let me ask you where you got these numbers, in other words, provide the source. This is the first mistake.
      The second mistake, you did not bother to double-check.
      And finally, the third, in Azerbaijan you laid out the wrong information, to put it mildly. AI-92 costs 70 kopecks. The dollar exchange rate is 1 $ to our currency-0.78 and against the ruble 1 $ -32 ruble. We calculate and get 27.3 ruble.
      The total cost of gasoline today in Azerbaijan is 27 rubles 30 kopecks.
      In conclusion, please note that Azerbaijan, like Russia oil producing countries which means fuel should cost a penny for the population. The oil mafia rules and profits for you and me ....... wolves are shameful. am
      1. 31231
        31231 16 December 2013 16: 25
        +2
        Apollo, you'd better write who instructed this "specialist" in pluses. Gullible people with big ears.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 16 December 2013 16: 56
          +2
          Quote: 31231
          Apollo, you'd better write who instructed this "specialist" in pluses.

          Sorry colleague, unfortunately I do not have the right. Here let those who set the pluses themselves express themselves. They will justify them even more than they motivated when they put the pluses.
          Quote: 31231
          Trusting people with big ears.

          Alas, Sergey hi
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 16 December 2013 08: 44
    33
    from the Don.
    Winter. Pension-6870. The rent is about 4000. Question: how many km will I go to: Lade Grant: hungry and naked?
    1. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 16 December 2013 10: 40
      +6
      lade granta: hungry and naked?

      Hey fellow countryman, where did you get the money for GRANT !!!! laughing
      1. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 16 December 2013 11: 35
        +1
        from the Don.
        Virtual !!!
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 16 December 2013 13: 42
        +2
        Quote: 10kAzAk01
        Hey fellow countryman, where did you get the GRANT money!

        Successfully invested a voucher in a cancer farm at a local pub ...
    2. Far East
      Far East 16 December 2013 12: 51
      +7
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      .The rent is about 4000.

      the question is how much sq.m. I have an apartment of 57.7 sq.m. I pay with the entire commun., without gas 8773.rub. solarium 38.90. bread white., 31 rub. Parental retirement: Mom 12400. Dad 18600. I have salaries., 15000 rubles on the beach is with the NORTH! Well, how to live! I live alone divorced! ALIMONY! there were accumulations in the sea earned all there is none of them! iron horse put in a stall! DARKNESS! and I think it will be WORSE! well sho a car, the boat was bought in japan. and I got such a government! WE WILL LIVE ON! fellow
      1. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 16 December 2013 17: 24
        +1
        from the don.
        I have my own house-80sq.m. in the village. I try to save, although much further!
    3. POMA
      POMA 16 December 2013 15: 19
      0
      And why such a pension is small.
      1. Far East
        Far East 16 December 2013 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: POMA
        And why such a pension is small.

        Is this a question for me? hi
        1. 31231
          31231 16 December 2013 16: 27
          0
          So look at the pension certificate from Pension and show here. People will immediately understand where the boat and the typewriter come from.
          1. Far East
            Far East 17 December 2013 10: 54
            +1
            Quote: 31231
            So look at the pension certificate from Pension and show here. People will immediately understand where the boat and the typewriter come from.

            respected! you are kidding! I will go to retirement 13 years 55!
            Quote: 31231
            where the boat and the typewriter come from.

            his hump earned at sea! vf even imagine sho such a SEA and how they work there! and please do not jerk off where I have the TECHNOLOGY! hi
      2. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 16 December 2013 17: 27
        +5
        from the Don.
        2nd group of disability. Pension-6300. Compensation for a communal apartment of about 500 rubles. Why is such a pension a question for GDP and I will give!
    4. old rocket man
      old rocket man 18 December 2013 19: 59
      +1
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.
      Winter. Pension-6870. The rent is about 4000. Question: how many km will I go to: Lade Grant: hungry and naked?

      I ask you, tell me what experience you have, and where you worked, as well as how much you received? 6870 = this is below the social rate, that you are cunning. fool
  7. queen
    queen 16 December 2013 08: 46
    10
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    Graphics it is certainly interesting

    So the article was laid out as a pill of sedation, but in fact the opposite effect. The rich get richer, the poor fall into the abyss.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 16 December 2013 09: 13
      16
      when cool Moscow and St. Petersburg and steep subsidized entities such as the Caucasus are removed from statistics, then let them build graphs and tables ...
      1. queen
        queen 16 December 2013 09: 26
        11
        Quote: PSih2097
        that's when Moscow will be removed from statistics

        I myself am from Moscow (indigenous), and believe me, it’s not sweet here. About fatliquoring is a myth.
  8. QWERTY
    QWERTY 16 December 2013 08: 47
    12
    In fact, here's an example for you - in 2005-06, being a student, I worked as a student in a car wash - it turned out 18-25 TR Now in St. Petersburg - 30-35 TR is not a problem to find, the same unskilled labor. Those. the salary for 7 years increased by 30-50%, and the prices I think by 150%. This is for food and small things.
    1. Armata
      Armata 16 December 2013 09: 52
      +8
      Quote: ytsuken
      In fact, here's an example for you - in 2005-06, being a student, I worked as a student in a car wash - it turned out 18-25 TR Now in St. Petersburg - 30-35 TR is not a problem to find, the same unskilled labor. Those. the salary for 7 years increased by 30-50%, and the prices I think by 150%. This is for food and small things.
      Here's an example. The average salary in the Urals for unskilled labor is 12-15 thousand. 30-35 are received by skilled workers and mid-level engineers. Prices are about the same in St. Petersburg and Ekb (I know from the fact that I lived in St. Petersburg) I generally keep quiet about Moscow. So think for yourself who is fattening, and who is purely as a raw material appendage to the capitals. But they are always trying to shut up our mouths with slogans like "Ekat (Novosib, Chelyaba, substitute yourself what is more pleasant to hear) is the third capital of Russia."
      1. QWERTY
        QWERTY 16 December 2013 17: 48
        +1
        There are many "buts", for example - 1. Rent a 1-room apartment + a communal apartment = 18 + 2,5 = 20,5 tr. We will not go further, perhaps))) Total balance - 35-21 (light, Internet) = 14 tr. How about in the Urals?
        1. Armata
          Armata 16 December 2013 18: 52
          0
          Quote: ytsuken
          There are many "buts", for example - 1. Rent a 1-room apartment + a communal apartment = 18 + 2,5 = 20,5 tr. We will not go further, perhaps))) Total balance - 35-21 (light, Internet) = 14 tr. How about in the Urals?
          Well duck you are rich pancake. Total salary for two, how much?
    2. GDP
      GDP 16 December 2013 13: 11
      10
      In St. Petersburg and Moscow 30-35 000 ЗП - certainly not a problem!
      This is from the questions - is there life beyond Moscow?
      I have a feeling that Moscow is like some kind of tick that sucks blood from all over Russia ...

      The standard of living decreases with distance from the centers:
      1 level Moscow - somewhere 50000 probably
      2 SPB level - 35 000
      3. Samara and Yekaterinburg, maybe even Grozny - 25000
      4. Other regional and regional centers 15-20000
      5. Provincial City - 10-12000
      6. Village - 6-10000

      Such castes are as in ancient India ...
      So it turns out that the Muscovites are working just like the rest of the Russians for the same work get two to three times more ...
      1. Hon
        Hon 16 December 2013 13: 19
        +1
        Quote: GDP
        In St. Petersburg and Moscow, 30-35 RFPs are certainly not a problem! This is from the questions - is there life beyond Moscow? I have the feeling that Moscow is like some kind of tick that sucks blood from all over Russia ...

        the situation in the regions is very different, I know in the Cluj and Voronezh regions the level of salaries is not much lower than in Moscow, but prices are still non-capital, they pay normally on Sakhalin but the prices are high.
      2. Hon
        Hon 16 December 2013 13: 19
        0
        Quote: GDP
        In St. Petersburg and Moscow, 30-35 RFPs are certainly not a problem! This is from the questions - is there life beyond Moscow? I have the feeling that Moscow is like some kind of tick that sucks blood from all over Russia ...

        the situation in the regions is very different, I know in the Cluj and Voronezh regions the level of salaries is not much lower than in Moscow, but prices are still non-capital, they pay normally on Sakhalin but the prices are high.
        1. GDP
          GDP 16 December 2013 13: 30
          +8
          I think the number of minuses in the article quite eloquently says - what part of the population has incomes below the average. 3 / 4 set the article minus. And how many people do not have a computer or Internet access at all?
          1. sledgehammer102
            16 December 2013 13: 58
            -6
            Quote: GDP
            I think the number of minuses in the article quite eloquently says - what part of the population has incomes below the average. 3 / 4 set the article minus. And how many people do not have a computer or Internet access at all?


            the number of minuses suggests that 3 / 4 of the visitors have enough money not only for rent, food and clothing, but also for the Internet and computer, not counting the time they spend on the Internet both during working hours and in their free time . And time is money. There would be nothing to eat, then we would work at two jobs.
            1. Hon
              Hon 16 December 2013 14: 02
              +2
              A site for loafers? Ran people with a fat rage and poke?
              1. sledgehammer102
                16 December 2013 14: 10
                +3
                Quote: Hon
                A site for loafers? Ran people with a fat rage and poke?


                By no means, there are very interesting and useful articles. Moreover, in the comments there are very constructive comments by specialists or people on the issue of understanding. But there are loafers too, not without it, as well as regular trolls, both pro-government and liberal
            2. The comment was deleted.
            3. smersh70
              smersh70 16 December 2013 14: 08
              +1
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              number of cons says

              what did you think when you put this material here) because many here are pro-Soviet-minded)))) everyone has nostalgia about the USSR .. and skill too)) sometimes)))))
            4. baltika-18
              baltika-18 16 December 2013 17: 46
              +5
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              the number of minuses suggests that 3 / 4 of the visitors have enough money not only for rent, food and clothing, but also for the Internet and computer, not counting the time they spend on the Internet both during working hours and in their free time . And time is money. There would be nothing to eat, then we would work at two jobs.

              And who are you to judge?
              You write, they pay money for writing, write further.
              And since I laid out the scribble, so bear with it both cons and statements addressed to you.
              Perhaps you’ll be smarter ... winked
            5. Danash I
              Danash I 16 December 2013 19: 57
              +2
              Help. In addition to high wages in the economy there is such a concept as the purchasing power of a currency. This concept does not occur at all in all calculations of "analysts" Believe it or not, but M Twain wrote about this, simply and easily, in "Yankee at the court of the king Arthur "This factor causes a fair reaction of the population.
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 16 December 2013 13: 38
        +1
        Quote: GDP
        6. Village - 6-10000

        The machine operator on the farm from 18 thousand rubles.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 16 December 2013 15: 27
          +8
          Quote: Setrac
          The machine operator on the farm from 18 thousand rubles.

          In the season from April to September, and then not everywhere. From October to March, within 10 thousand. Skotnik 10-12, milkmaid 10-15 thousand.
      4. 31231
        31231 16 December 2013 17: 34
        0
        I won’t tell you for all, because I don’t chat too much. But in our organization, the working personnel in the Ural areas are official 19-20 thousand + unofficial 20-30. In the north, the informal reaches 100 thousand. Strange, but they are leaving, many are not satisfied with the salary.
        1. Danash I
          Danash I 16 December 2013 20: 10
          +3
          many of us work on "watch" 12 hours, two m-tsa. conditions are different, there are such-local-where the regime is almost prison-control, security. one or two sezdat (not from a good life) and that's it, you can't lure me into a roll. so there is nothing to do with salary. Bydlom is not hunting. Dignity is not changed for money.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 17 December 2013 04: 59
            +7
            And not only cattle, but a wordless slave, they will work out the race, and then they run for money for a year, or even "throw on the grandmother." The locals stopped traveling, so they brought in Gaster, and as usual they were thrown. They begged at the seaport - there is no money to leave until the governor intervened. These are the realities for BIG money!
      5. svp67
        svp67 23 December 2013 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: GDP
        I have a feeling that Moscow is like some kind of tick that sucks blood from all over Russia ...

        And not only you
  9. makarov
    makarov 16 December 2013 08: 50
    10
    The officials did not read "12 chairs", "Behind the wheel", etc., therefore, they still consider the car as luxury goods, not a means of transportation ... but the scoundrels themselves do not want to ride horses and phaetons ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 16 December 2013 09: 41
      10
      A car is not a luxury - it’s a luxury to keep it moving! fellow
  10. Bongo
    Bongo 16 December 2013 08: 54
    10
    Despite the incantations of our "caring" leaders about the need to grow the economy and double the GDP. These same "growth and doubling" are held back by unjustifiably high prices for energy resources, in the first place for automobile fuel and electricity. energy.
  11. Sterlya
    Sterlya 16 December 2013 08: 59
    +9
    15 km from me is an oil refinery. owned by Gazprom. The price for the 92nd is now 29rub 70 kopecks. and in the same factory works yesterday I met a friend locksmith. asked how much salary. an average of 18 thousand. it's 606 liters.
    Prices mainly rise with rising oil prices in world markets. But they have never fallen with the fall in oil prices in world markets. for no other reason. never. I refuel every 3-4 days. I wouldn’t miss it laughing
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 December 2013 09: 19
      +7
      Quote: Sterlya
      But they have never fallen with the fall in oil prices in world markets.

      Also every time I swear about it. And the author sees the owner of the gas station network. laughing
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor 16 December 2013 11: 28
        +3
        It looks like an "efficient" manager as it rolled out data on agriculture and industry.
  12. Executer
    Executer 16 December 2013 09: 01
    +6
    Ну Sledgehammer102, you completely reassured me! Life has become easier, life has become more fun.
    Just tell me, brother, the price ratio of gasoline (any brand) and diz. fuel? I recall that the latter has always been half the price of the Regular brand (1992 :: 20 kopecks versus 40 kopecks) Is there something to explain?
    1. queen
      queen 16 December 2013 09: 30
      +1
      Quote: Executer
      How can I explain this?

      Demand for this type of fuel. Many switched to diesel, in Soviet times only carriers used it. And now almost every diesel Kruzak))))
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 16 December 2013 10: 00
        +4
        And correspondingly increased diesel fuel production costs?
        1. queen
          queen 16 December 2013 10: 45
          +4
          Quote: pv1005
          And correspondingly increased diesel fuel production costs?

          This is how to put on a needle, lure, and then set their conditions.
  13. Homo
    Homo 16 December 2013 09: 03
    18
    ... In April 2013, the average income of a Russian reached 28800 rubles, which is absolutely unbelievable for the dashing nineties ...
    Let the author come to any Russian regional center and tell about the average salary of 28800, let's see if he has time to run away from people and not get a "face"!
  14. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 16 December 2013 09: 03
    +7
    Yes, even if 40 is ... well, and so ... and swallow it. Well, of course, we stayed at 3,14 ... and again we will choose PEDRO in the elections
  15. Dymkovsky
    Dymkovsky 16 December 2013 09: 04
    +7
    I have my own indicator. If in 2007 there were 2 cars in the yard, now there are often no places to get up. Everyone complains about everything, but the number of cars is not getting smaller, is this not an indicator. On the other hand, when one refueling of a car tank 100l., Began to cost more than 3000 rubles, patience ran out and at the expense of many indicators moved to a more economical option. And the sky-high price is due to the refineries which are not being built and those which are of the last century technology, I think that everything is done intentionally. Why should I build a new refinery so that the products become cheaper, I'd rather cover one more to create a shortage. Mappers grabbers. And for those who bought an apartment, in general, you can give the order, this is a feat for the present.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 16 December 2013 09: 18
      +7
      Quote: Dymkovsky
      And for those who bought an apartment, in general, you can hand over the order, this is a feat for the present.

      that's it. without anyone's help.
      Therefore, I did not even dream. bought a piece of land. good then 2000. married only. purpose appeared. plots were cheap. and built a house with his own hands. maybe because I’m from a rural country, I never thought of buying an apartment. And as my father says. your house with a plot. you will not die of hunger. in any crisis. Yes, and you watch how the housing and communal services is fighting some kind of horror from apartments.
      And land for construction has become very expensive. Well yes. Russia is a small country. no land at all
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 16 December 2013 12: 32
        +1
        The motherland granted 10 acres (the "young family" program) to property, within the city. What to do with him now? There is no money for construction. There is a mortgage loan for the apartment. There is land, a lot of land, but what's the point?
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 16 December 2013 09: 23
      +7
      Quote: Dymkovsky
      And the sky-high price is due to the refineries which are not being built and those which are of the last century technology, I think that everything is done intentionally.

      No, the price is sky-high due to the fact that the domestic price of oil is practically no different from the world one, and you need to add excise taxes and a tax on roads ...
      As one figure from TNK said, if the price of oil in the world drops to $ 20, we will raise our own in the domestic market, and this is how we live ...
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 December 2013 09: 33
      +6
      Quote: Dymkovsky
      . If in 2007 there were 2 cars in the yard, now there are often no places to get up

      By the way, our mentality still plays a role here. Many have nowhere to live, but they buy a car, and not cheap. Without pants, but in a Mercedes. laughing
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 16 December 2013 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Without pants, but in a Mercedes. laughing

        Yeah, I know those laughing "Why do I need a warm jacket? I have a car for one and a half lemma!" wassat laughing
        PS: I'm sorry, something is buggy. comments are added twice crying
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    4. ReifA
      ReifA 16 December 2013 09: 49
      +2
      If you do not live in Moscow, then you will not get far without a car.
  16. 12061973
    12061973 16 December 2013 09: 11
    +2
    and the prices for alcohol and cigarettes since 2014 are explained by health concerns, gasoline from the same opera, running from a heart attack, and generally fewer accidents, otherwise the leaders in road accidents in the Russian Federation.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 16 December 2013 12: 36
      +3
      But I don't feel sorry for those who ruin their health. They want to let them pay. Smoke is poison. Alcohol, if not often, then you can pay. With fuel and really not as we would like. We are told that prices are "regulated" by the market, but for some reason the prices are "regulated" upwards, but not back?
      "I don't understand" (C)
  17. Stiletto
    Stiletto 16 December 2013 09: 14
    10
    In order to understand that my native state periodically finds me .. no, such complex graphs and charts are not needed.
  18. Asgard
    Asgard 16 December 2013 09: 22
    17
    Sly numbers from the author. I’m driving, I can’t objectively (digitally-statistically)) I can’t, but it’s distorted. By the way, and the comments of comrades (at the level of sensations)) This is confirmed ...
    In 2000, gasoline cost about 7 rubles, a solarium about 5, by the end of the year of Putin’s reign, prices had gone up to 12 rubles per liter (they explained us the increase in the price of a barrel))
    however, in Finland, this increase was won back by a few cents (I often travel, I remember))
    Although Finland does not have its own oil, And We are an oil-producing country ....
    Since then, in Finland fuel has become more expensive by twenty cents (from 2000 to 2013)))
    In Russia, the price increased from 6 rubles to 32, that is, five times ..... with a little ...
    + The dollar has become more expensive, that is, in fact, the price of gasoline has increased 12 times ...
    And these incomes are NOT distributed among the citizens of the country,
    Paid medicine ...
    Paid higher education ...
    Paid services of officials ...
    Cancellation of Benefits ...
    Price increases in housing and communal services, electricity, food,
    Fines and penalties increased at times for ordinary citizens ...
    Laws - almost everyone made a criminal element))))
    Soon, only money and hope will remain for the "Molotov cocktail"))))
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 16 December 2013 09: 25
      +8
      Quote: Asgard
      Soon, only money and hope will remain for the "Molotov cocktail"))))

      there is still skipi. a gift is needed ... wassat
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 16 December 2013 10: 16
      +9
      Quote: Asgard
      objectively objectively (digitally-statistically)) I can’t,

      But has it washed away, Asgard? Most of us already know the situation, judging by the comments and assessments, but the author is useless, the service is the service. It’s not the first time it’s been noted, the fourth article is already. All are united by a common idea, everything’s basically well, there are small problems, but they are working on them, the overall dynamics are positive, we are beginning to thrive, the leadership is moving in the right direction, the main thing is stability, soon it will be even better, the main thing is not to twitch, endure and wait.
      I’m wondering if he will have an article on unemployment and migration or not.
      1. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 16 December 2013 12: 23
        +8
        Quote: baltika-18
        I’m wondering if he will have an article on unemployment and migration or not.

        At the expense of unemployment: Well, they announced on TV that "we finished the business a long time ago."
        And at the expense of migrants we are told that without them we will drown in our own shit. It’s just not clear, how could we live without them before? And there was someone to work, and it was pure circle. I remember in the 70 years in our yard there were clean paths, lilac alleys and flower beds everywhere. There were a janitor and a gardener. Russian grannies. There were no guest workers, but for some reason, it was very strange and absolutely unbelievable, but there was order. Bread cost 18 cents. And gasoline 7 cents.
    3. I do not care
      I do not care 16 December 2013 11: 10
      +2
      A cocktail mixed with termite is sooooo nothing))
    4. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 16 December 2013 11: 10
      +3
      Asgard, and yet dates come to us to refuel, and not vice versa. wink I usually don’t refuel in Fink, but once I had to spin for a long time, burned too much, it wouldn’t be enough for Värtsil. He poured and cried. Splashed only 5 liters, because to pay 1.5 oyro per liter, the toad strangles. laughing
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 16 December 2013 19: 59
        +2
        Yes, we refuel cheaper, but they have a salary, I have a Muscovite friend, plays for the hockey team Kuasamo, well, he works at a sawmill, for a total of 5000 euros a month .... But when crossing the border, he fills the tank under traffic jam and 16 liters of luck in the canister (which says -10L)))) and enjoys like a child)))) since 89 lives there, by mentality, is no longer our man .....

        Quote: me by
        A cocktail mixed with termite is sooooo nothing))

        Quote: PSih2097
        there is still skipi. a gift is needed ...

        Guys, let's go without "recipes" I understand that you know how to do IT))))
        I drew an analogy in the historical perspective, so to speak)))
        Well, a figure with numbers (also on a sore subject)) as the state has us ...
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 16 December 2013 22: 32
          +2
          I see =) I have a mother (comrade Ingermalandka) living there, in Joensuu, we often ride to her wink their salaries to offset taxes laughing My friend wanted to move to Chushka first, but he just couldn't find work there. Here he is the director of the dealer service, and there they offer him the maximum of a simple mechanic laughing Karoch, they have their own pack, we have our own.
  19. Grbear
    Grbear 16 December 2013 09: 37
    13
    Author Sledgehammer102


    Sir, if you decide to say "A", be prepared to say "B". A "B" consists of several questions:
    • Why is 1999 the year taken as a reference point? And before that, people did not live? If you lived, then how?
    • If everything is so good, then why deposits opened before 1992 are indexed with k = 3. Although, according to my field observations, it was completely different money.
    • Roskomstat is not far from Levada. Electricity consumption (the main indicator of industrial activity) in 2013 did not reach the level of 1990, even taking into account Tefaley in state institutions. By the way, there is a place for the dog to dig. Why do energy tariffs rise if demand is not growing and generating capacities have been created and are working long ago? This means that the numbers in the tables refer to trade, banking and hydrocarbon sales.
    • A similar situation with rail freight and steelmaking.
    • In addition, the tables show percentage indices, not numbers in "people". And I will not be surprised if 15-20 million rural and “deep” residents are “lost”, who count their income at 5 thousand per holiday.

    Nobody argues that positive dynamics exists, but frankly beautiful graphics can be shown to the "natives" to whom you are trying to sell beads. We already read and count a little. So that hi .
    1. sledgehammer102
      16 December 2013 13: 48
      0
      Quote: GrBear
      Sir, if you decide to say "A", be prepared to say "B". A "B" consists of several questions:


      I am for constructive criticism and advice. We'll see.

      Quote: GrBear
      • Why is 1999 the year taken as a reference point? And before that, people did not live? If you lived, then how?


      You can count in millions of rubles, while the graphs would look oh sad, 97-98 years would be like an air state, and 99-2012 would be like a one-story building in a village.


      Quote: GrBear
      • If everything is so good, then why deposits opened before 1992 are indexed with k = 3. Although, according to my field observations, it was completely different money.


      The question is not for me, there was a period of 12 years that could be calculated with the smallest errors. There was an article about food, there were kilograms and tons, there are also no problems, but with money everything is much more complicated.

      Quote: GrBear
      Roskomstat is not far from Levada. Electricity consumption (the main indicator of industrial activity) in 2013 did not reach the level of 1990, even taking into account Tefaley in state institutions. By the way, here is where the "dog dig". Why do energy tariffs rise if demand is not growing and generating capacities have been created and are working long ago? This means that the numbers in the tables refer to trade, banking and hydrocarbon sales.


      What figures in my table refer to electricity consumption by enterprises? I would venture to suggest that any Soviet refrigerator or machine consumed many times more electrical than modern. Actually, and to the level of overproduction of the level of the 90go of the Russian Federation, oh how far.

      Quote: GrBear
      A similar situation with rail freight and steelmaking.

      This has nothing to do with my article on revenues and gas prices, unless indirect

      Quote: GrBear
      In addition, the tables show percentage indices, not numbers in "people". And I will not be surprised if 15-20 million rural and “deep” residents are “lost”, who count their income at 5 thousand per holiday.

      The tables show all officially working citizens of the Russian Federation, and there is unaccounted for the gray salary, which is received by oh how many people.

      Quote: GrBear
      Nobody argues that positive dynamics exists, but frankly beautiful graphics can be shown to the "natives" to whom you are trying to sell beads. We already read and count a little. So that


      Where did I lie? There are official publications on the topic of real wage growth, but everyone does not like it only because it does not coincide with their picture of the world, and then they say about price increases, although the indicator of real wage growth takes it into account. So you have to count in parrots.
      1. 31231
        31231 16 December 2013 17: 39
        -4
        The article is good. You won’t hear any constructive arguments against it, the usual groaning and stuffing from all-enforcers. Strange Russian people, they are more willing to believe Echo Matzi than Rosstat.
        1. Hon
          Hon 16 December 2013 17: 51
          +3
          Quote: 31231
          Strange Russian people, they are more willing to believe Echo Matzi than Rosstat.

          Fucking people?
          1. 31231
            31231 16 December 2013 18: 49
            +1
            Russian people, like me. With its pros and cons. Enough answer?
            Then the question is from me, did you like the comment to the character with the nickname Severomorsk about gas prices in other oil producing states? God forbid, Apollo will not let you lie!
            1. Hon
              Hon 16 December 2013 19: 11
              0
              It seems not, but could not immediately notice that he has the US 18 rubles. per liter.
            2. Hon
              Hon 16 December 2013 19: 11
              0
              It seems not, but could not immediately notice that he has the US 18 rubles. per liter.
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  20. IGS
    IGS 16 December 2013 09: 44
    14
    There is a lie, there is a very big lie, and there are statistics.
  21. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 16 December 2013 09: 44
    10
    And why be surprised? There is no economic growth, the Putin model has exhausted itself, we are told about 6% inflation, but at the same time they increase the prices of energy carriers for their own industry and reduce the purchasing power of the population.
  22. ed65b
    ed65b 16 December 2013 09: 46
    10
    What just infuriates is that the SIZES of our country are not taken into account. My mother and brother live in Irkutsk with Kemerovo. I mastered another 2200 km on vacation and now it’s 15 l / 100 km. * 5446 km = 816.9 l.
    30 rub / l * 816.9 l. = 24507 50000 rub. One way. that is, XNUMX just in the tank. since it’s still gas, the farther from the European part of the country the more expensive. But Alikperov and Sechin balm for the soul. Gas stations in the states are buying.
    1. 31231
      31231 16 December 2013 17: 41
      -1
      Judging by the flow rate of 15 liters per hundred tracks, your machine is not the cheapest one, so it wouldn’t be dishonored or pissed off.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 16 December 2013 19: 57
        +2
        Quote: 31231
        Judging by the flow rate of 15 liters per hundred tracks, your machine is not the cheapest one, so it wouldn’t be dishonored or pissed off.

        Sobol and Gazelle also have 15. winked
        1. Armata
          Armata 16 December 2013 20: 08
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Sobol and Gazelle also have 15.
          I sold an Audi. Because it does not climb bi-turbo 17-20 around the city. I bought a mondeo. Well, then even in 3 liters invested in 12 liters on the highway damn expensive.
  23. Stinger
    Stinger 16 December 2013 09: 50
    +7
    You read this and the idea arises that it is time to rally under the slogan: No to revenue growth!
  24. lotar
    lotar 16 December 2013 10: 15
    +3
    It’s time to get used to the fact that those who hold power live in another country, according to different laws, according to different patterns. And our worlds practically do not intersect, and if they cross, their justice is higher than ours and this, unfortunately, is already the law of the universe.
  25. moremansf
    moremansf 16 December 2013 10: 15
    11
    After reading this article, I just want to prototype comrade IV Stalin: - "LIFE HAS BECOME BETTER, LIFE HAS BECOME MORE FUN!", And the lines from the famous song by Leonid Utyosov come to mind; - "EVERYTHING IS A FINE MARQUISE ..." , everything for the people, everything for the people, otherwise what means to hold New Year's corporate parties and get bonuses for top managers, people will endure everything ... you don't like walking and it is more useful for your health ... and we will be at service geldings with caring for the people we will train ... I do not know what data the author of the article was based on, but in life everything is not so rosy ... the price of gasoline clearly bites and already significantly affects the family budget ... and for a long time the question has been gnawing at me: -Why us in the Tyumen region, where the main production is concentrated, gasoline prices are higher than in Moscow, not to mention the per capita income - wages ???
  26. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 December 2013 10: 25
    +7
    Oh, there are a lot of tsifiri, already horror and everything seems to be "correct". It never came from the head of government ... Ah ... recourse request
  27. rpek32
    rpek32 16 December 2013 10: 37
    +4
    Oh oh oh.
    What kind of big top with these "salaries have grown, you will live better"? It’s interesting, maybe it’s not worth raising wages, but lowering prices? Then there will be no need to raise salaries. What global problem will be solved at once, eh, gentlemen?
  28. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 16 December 2013 10: 41
    +7
    The influence of Putin on the economy is close to zero! There is no need to talk about Medvedev - this is an empty space. The industry is not growing, therefore its tax contribution to the budget is not growing either. And money is needed! At least to increase the salaries of all deputies. Where can I get them? The people! Through the increase in prices for gasoline, vodka, tobacco. Indeed, more than 70% of the price of these products is excise. And excise taxes are a part of the price that goes directly to the revenue side of the budget! So gasoline prices will go up! Up to one dollar has already reached. Ahead is a new milestone - EURO! And, judging by our economic crisis, we will reach this milestone soon! What should we, pensioners, do? Work as long as you have the strength and ability, do not use gluttonous cars (15 l / 100 km is a jeepyar, my Kalina has 6,2 with the air conditioner turned on), switch your cars to gas. Finally, just sell the car and celebrate it well. But this is the most extreme option for weaklings. And then you can sleep.
  29. 10kAzAk01
    10kAzAk01 16 December 2013 10: 47
    13
    I think it’s completely different ...
    In 2006, I began to engage in freight transportation (I delivered milk to grocery stores), the cost of milk was 9 rubles per liter, the cost of gasoline in the region of 10 rubles. paid 2000 rubles a day ... you can buy 200 liters of milk or 200 liters of gasoline ....
    2013 milk 30 rubles ... gas 30 rubles ... they pay 2300 rubles ... you can buy 76 liters of milk or 76 liters of gas ... profitability fell 2,6 times ... all the arithmetic had to be tied up with a delivery .. . also minus about this
  30. iwind
    iwind 16 December 2013 10: 56
    +5
    I liked the conclusion about nominal income. It sounds beautiful of course in the growth of 13-14 times.
    Now remember the meaning of the phrase
    NOMINAL INCOME 1) income calculated in purely monetary terms, excluding the purchasing power of money, price levels, inflation.
    The same Zimbabwe's nominal income grew 100 times ... but something people like that were not happy with such indicators.
    In general, if we add to these 14 the growth of the exchange rate, inflation, etc. The numbers will not be so beautiful.
    PS 3 days ago, refueled on 36.09 in Moscow. Just recently refueling in Austria at a cost of 1.36 euros, if you add that gasoline consumption drops somewhere by 30-40 percent (good roads, no traffic jams, do not cut). That difference does not look huge anymore.
    1. sledgehammer102
      16 December 2013 13: 51
      0
      Quote: iwind
      I liked the conclusion about nominal income. It sounds beautiful of course in the growth of 13-14 times.
      Now remember the meaning of the phrase
      NOMINAL INCOME 1) income calculated in purely monetary terms, excluding the purchasing power of money, price levels, inflation.


      This is precisely why this article was born, since nominal income is not an indicator, or rather, if it is tied to the dollar or the euro, and that’s enough
      1. iwind
        iwind 16 December 2013 16: 24
        +4
        If you would like to write that gas prices are rising in proportion to the general increase in prices in Russia, then there is no doubt. Only the inflation rate for 5 years is 42%.
        I consider how an oil producing state could freeze gas prices for its citizens at least by 25 rubles. 33-34 is already too much.
        And about the price of gas at 28 rubles ...
        Russia is not only the central region
        1. 31231
          31231 16 December 2013 17: 45
          -5
          Dear, I saw d / t at 08 at 53 rubles in Yamal. And you know that the site would work, I agreed on them.
          Walk, ride on public transport or on a bicycle. Europe is doing it, not moaning.
  31. Doctorleg
    Doctorleg 16 December 2013 11: 07
    +2
    In 1999, the share of black salaries was higher, so real incomes were higher than indicated in the table
    1. Akim
      Akim 16 December 2013 11: 10
      +3
      Quote: DoctorOleg
      therefore, real incomes were greater than those indicated in the table

      I propose to compare the years on state employees.
  32. Known who
    Known who 16 December 2013 11: 13
    +3
    Unfortunately, the current government can only take nominal income in your pocket, but not as a citizen’s actual income. There is such a hamburger test (how much it costs to produce a hamburger in the country - the most expensive in Africa and the most backward countries), by analogy, 5 years ago:
    A 1,5 liter bottle of sparkling water in a stall near the house where I live, cost 12 rubles - now 40 rubles,
    the salary level in the bulk did not increase,
    So consider who the hell sucks, and who does the blowjob?
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 16 December 2013 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: It is known who
      A 1,5 liter bottle of sparkling water in a stall near the house where I live, cost 12 rubles - now 40 rubles,

      You just brought expensive water. I still buy 12 rubles, but there are 40 nearby.
      1. 31231
        31231 16 December 2013 17: 47
        +1
        Bggg. Maybe he lives on shale mining in the United States? For five years of development, it has risen in price.
  33. botsman80
    botsman80 16 December 2013 11: 15
    +5
    The average per capita income in 2012 was 22880 rubles. That is, for an average family (4 people), the income is already 22880x4 = 91520 rubles. For comparison: the financial condition of an average German family is estimated at $ 45000 per year, that is, 45000 / 12x32 = 120000 rubles a month ... almost like ours. Here are just the Gini coefficient in Russia is 41,7, and in Germany - 27. And then there is Moscow and "Regions" (Example: average per capita income: Moscow - 48343 rubles, Saratov region - 13948 rubles) ... So: do not carry NONSENSE!!!
    PS Gini coefficient is an indicator of inequality. Theoretically, this coefficient can take values ​​from 0 to 100, where 0 is the absolute equality of income, and 100 is absolute inequality when all of the country's income belongs to one person. The higher the Gini coefficient, the greater the income inequality.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 16 December 2013 14: 05
      +2
      Quote: botsman80
      The average per capita income in 2012 amounted to 22880 rubles.

      Per capita income is calculated by dividing the GDP by the number of souls, but a small part of the GDP goes to salaries. Less than one third.
  34. Skiff_spb
    Skiff_spb 16 December 2013 11: 40
    -9
    Author, in vain you wrote it. The people must be allowed to ponder, the essence of this. And the whining should be at least somehow justified, and you encroach on this very justification. Not good.
    1. Skiff_spb
      Skiff_spb 16 December 2013 12: 41
      0
      By the way, minus signs.
      You can count money in someone else's pocket for a long time, you can scold the government, the Jews and anyone else, but damn it, I know for sure that it was not the President of the United States who knocked my car down and washed away, that it was not Putin who gave a shit in the toilet and did not wash it away. Jews with the State Duma poured everything in the front door. And first "negotiate" with everyone and then yell, de "corruption" and otherwise nothing.

      But no - instead of learning something and making money from us, they continue to count other people's money on their neighbor. And then poke at a neighbor and say "Here it is better, but we are so shitty because THEY are to blame"
      1. dmb
        dmb 16 December 2013 14: 35
        +3
        If I understand you correctly, Chubais, Serdyukov, Yakunin, Timchenko, etc. you relate to those. who knows how to earn money, and the rest of the population, who doesn’t know how to ..., pah, you earn money, there are whiners. Of course, you don’t have to count money in their pockets. And yes, these gentlemen will not allow them, the government that feeds them and you take them off together, count their money. By the way, in the porches, it’s bad, as a rule, that which basically steals, and by no means earns honest work.
        1. 31231
          31231 16 December 2013 17: 53
          +1
          That is, you divide into Serdyukovs and the rest of the population (whiners)?
          Not stupid, not ?! In general, I sometimes feel unpleasant at the thought that our grandfathers lived and did not moan much worse, while we grandchildren and great-grandchildren faint and blame someone else for our problems, but not ourselves.
          1. dmb
            dmb 16 December 2013 18: 51
            +1
            The difference between a "groan" and an explanation of the essence of the current government, to those who naively believe in its justice and honesty, I hope you understand? To those who kiss, the authorities go to different places, contrary to reality for money, my comment did not apply.
            1. 31231
              31231 16 December 2013 19: 03
              +2
              What nonsense, with a kiss for power money ?! Another stamp ?!
              I’m just the chief engineer in one absolutely non-budget office. I do not earn much money. Just like my boss is the managing director. Due to the great competition in the market for our services, one has to live by a competent organization of production.
              1. dmb
                dmb 16 December 2013 20: 27
                0
                Why did you decide that speaking about those who kiss power for money, I meant you? This time. Explain to me and fellow citizens, if your office is absolutely budgetary, then what kind of competition are you talking about. Or do you want to say that you are competing with the same budget offices? Sorry, I don’t understand why taxpayers need several identical offices? Again, if you are competing with a private trader, then I also don’t understand why to maintain an office at our expense, which also gets out of it (obviously due to paid services), if a private trader is doing this function of the state for the benefit of the people? In both cases, this speaks of the lack of talent of the authorities, and if you carefully examine the "financial flows", then most likely also the thieving of some of its representatives. (I'm not talking about those present).
            2. Skiff_spb
              Skiff_spb 16 December 2013 20: 46
              0
              Do you seriously believe that now the power will change and everything will be right away?

              This power is the continuation of its people. There simply cannot be another power. She has nowhere to come from. Unless as before - to invite the government from behind the hill. Yes, and then they stole.

              Do you know how it looks? Imagine - Vasya is working in a factory. He bought new tools. Now he has new pliers. And what is he doing? Yes, he drags them home - it’s more necessary at home, but at work it will cost. And everything seems to be fine.
              And then Vasya becomes a great official. Well, after all, the new government, from the people, not like the old, stealing, dragging millions. And the budget of 500-800 million gets to Vasya. And we need to change ... What was the last time they shouted? Pipes Yeah. And you need to change the pipes. And Vasya looks - it’s a lot of millions, I don’t even feel like counting and buys defective pipes, it’s cheaper, and so he’ll ride. And the remainder in your pocket. Well, a trifle. Who will notice the loss of a couple of three million, then there are so many around.
              And what did we get? Never mind. Only the first pliers were already at home, and it was possible to leave new ones at work, while the other still does not and needs to be quickly dragged away.
        2. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 16 December 2013 20: 33
          -1
          Ok, they stole, they have to sit down. For the law. I do not argue with that.
          I bet that what difference does it make to you exactly how much they stole? Are you a drafter?

          Yes, it’s crap who steals. How to get drunk, so it stole and go shit, yeah. And in common toilets. And thieves draw shit on the walls.

          But if you drag from work, give a bribe to a traffic cop, or don’t pay taxes from trash, you are such an enterprising person, and thieves are all of them.

          Big begins with small. This power did not come from nowhere - it is the same people as around. They just have more opportunities.

          So I always said - any nation deserves its power.
          1. dmb
            dmb 16 December 2013 21: 18
            -1
            Well, first of all, if you say, then at least you gave an example when I argued that with the change of government "everything will be." Such slogans were just put forward by representatives of the "cultural capital" like Stepashka the fireman and Vovka the Chekist in 91. Many believed them, and now we have a result with "pliers and pipes". Yes, with pliers it was under Soviet power, but with pipes then I was strained, they could have spanked. So instead of suppressing "enterprise" with "pliers", you propose to extend it to "pipes". Apparently, you are not far from the aforementioned representatives of the "cultural capital" and even overtook them in your desire to invite the next representatives of "civilized Europe" to rule. But I'm afraid, if you get caught with such statements to those who defended Leningrad from these "representatives", they will lather your withers, despite their age.
  35. Nitarius
    Nitarius 16 December 2013 11: 40
    +4
    And so let's start with SMALL!
    I have the honor to know one person from an oil refinery ... and so they have a wholesale gasoline price
    somewhere around 4-6 rubles depends on gasoline ... BUT REALLY THE WHOLE AI-80 whiskers do the rest ... they are dragged from Volgograd from somewhere!
    the sales price turns out to be roughly 30 r ... total 30/5 = 600% and that 500% arrived .... judges LITTLE or MANY even find it difficult to say all the same 500% arrived! while some believe that 10-20% arrived is already profitable (I know private sellers of food products).
    SATISFACED THIS PROBABLY SOFTY TOLD ... SIMPLY FAST!
  36. Akim
    Akim 16 December 2013 11: 59
    0
    food prices are not directly dependent on fuel. In Poland, gas prices are one and a half times higher than in Ukraine (we have AI-95 = 43 rubles), and the prices of a number of products are significantly lower than ours, although the prices of products in Ukraine are lower than Russian ones.
  37. not good
    not good 16 December 2013 12: 35
    +2
    Fuel prices are directly related to the appetite of the colonial administration, because oil owners (for example, Saudi Arabia) do not strangle their country with prices for extracted energy, for which the price for strangers is always a bang.
  38. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 16 December 2013 12: 41
    +5
    so that retired children feed you on such a counter!
  39. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 16 December 2013 12: 47
    +9
    When will we have elections? in the 18th? Somewhere in half a year, the radiant one will call the "oil managers" on camera and ask with anxious look - "How long will you raise the prices for gasoline for the population?" What a disgrace? They will make excuses, saying that it is difficult to extract ... the cost is high, etc. "The radiant will slap his hand on the table and say, like me, this is super profit, think about the people. It will be done, comrade chief. The camera will turn off, laughter, rzhach ... Gentlemen, you and I really need these 6 years, otherwise p_ iz yes, you will beat off the lost profit after the elections - said the people's choice.
  40. Sochi
    Sochi 16 December 2013 12: 58
    +2
    Damn ... I want back to the USSR !!!
  41. rennim
    rennim 16 December 2013 13: 18
    +6
    What is the use of switching to gas. They have already switched to a solarium. Today it’s more expensive than 95. And I remember how they gave it for nothing in the village. As soon as most of it goes to gas right there and it will skip in price ... Don’t hesitate. You won’t deceive them. They will never give up income. Tomorrow they will come up with gratuitous fuel from hay ... it will also knock. There is no way out. It’s like with meters for mountains and cold water. Now everyone will go to meters and wait ... tariff increases every 1.5-2 times or more. And forget about the savings. Elozhniki we ... our power. Econoimia and free cheese are now only in a mousetrap.
  42. alekseinew
    alekseinew 16 December 2013 13: 32
    +3
    my incomes don’t grow at all, as it was s / c 4 years ago it’s holding on, I really began to feel that there wasn’t enough money, spending 2000 in the store several years ago I took out a trolley, now I don’t care for two bags , refuel on the company’s map, at least one pleases, and probably I would have already sold the car
  43. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 December 2013 14: 38
    +4
    I will bring my own post from another forum thread:
    About the so-called. "statistical data". They are so deceitful that I don’t even know how the people who continue to believe them are, I mean all sorts of “beautiful” salary tables and so on, which are so fond of manipulating all kinds of crooks from the economy who consider themselves to be. cool "experts in this area. I have a good friend working at the Levada Center, and so he explained to me how these "statistical studies" are done. To my question, how do they display data on salaries if they, not only are sufficiently closed data on the one hand, and on the other hand, are also not accurate due to double-entry bookkeeping, "gray salaries", etc. He looked at me as if idiot and answered with irony: "You don't understand that all these so-called" studies "are ORDERED to us. And since someone ORDERED something, then, of course, he wants to get a CONFIRMATION of something. INTERESTING. ALL statistical studies that are published in the press are ALWAYS aimed at putting into a scientific form what the customer wants to hear from them. The customer needs JUSTIFICATION material in order to act further in the direction and according to the scenario that he has already developed. " Statistics "is just one of the levers in the mechanism of manipulating public consciousness that the ruling class needs to justify its actions. If" statistics "does not fulfill the wishes of its customers, then it simply will not be financed. alism - everyone wants to eat, but money is not lying on the road .... The real data, those that really reflect the state of the economy or one or another of its areas or relate to one or another side of life in the state, are absolutely secret and are collected ONLY by special departments of the secret services, which have the right and access to such information and are NEVER published, for they are STATE SECRETS "
    1. 31231
      31231 16 December 2013 17: 56
      -3
      Secrets from a good friend from the Levada Center ?! Dear, your friend didn’t tell you about a terrible secret, who pays the money to Levada and Echo Matz?
      1. Hon
        Hon 16 December 2013 18: 06
        0
        part of the holding "Gazprom Media" is about matzo))) And many people tossed a levada, including teaching from the budget.
        1. 31231
          31231 16 December 2013 19: 07
          -1
          And then they didn’t come to read about Echo ?!
          I will give you the pleasure of credit: The most profitable radio station in Russia.
          If Gazprom buys a very profitable venture, even if it’s talking nonsense on the air, is that bad ?! The main thing brings money and all.
          1. Hon
            Hon 16 December 2013 19: 15
            +2
            Quote: 31231
            And then they didn’t come to read about Echo ?! I will give you the pleasure of credit: The most profitable radio station in Russia. If Gazprom buys a very profitable venture, even if it’s talking nonsense on the air, is that bad ?! The main thing brings money and all.

            Oh crap!) But Chubais is held in positions because he is an effective manager?))) According to ROSSTAT research
          2. Hon
            Hon 16 December 2013 19: 15
            +1
            Quote: 31231
            And then they didn’t come to read about Echo ?! I will give you the pleasure of credit: The most profitable radio station in Russia. If Gazprom buys a very profitable venture, even if it’s talking nonsense on the air, is that bad ?! The main thing brings money and all.

            Oh crap!) But Chubais is held in positions because he is an effective manager?))) According to ROSSTAT research
      2. Hon
        Hon 16 December 2013 18: 06
        -1
        part of the holding "Gazprom Media" is about matzo))) And many people tossed a levada, including teaching from the budget.
  44. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 16 December 2013 15: 12
    +6
    It’s time to stop crafting and tapping people’s brains with digital figures.
    Then it should be added that in the late 90s, the beginning of 2 thousandths it was possible at least somehow, but to live on $ 100 a month. Not now.
    It’s also good to make comparisons with the prices of diz. fuel, prices and taxes on land, the cost of apartments, fines. Payment in the housing sector, the cost of meat, treatment, training ...
    And what "smart guy" introduced the concept of average income? Is there anything in between in Russia?
    Take income in Moscow and the Altai Territory ... The difference is 40 times !!!!!!! Derived the average value. Is everything okay with your head?
    Compare with the minimum wage established by law.
    Here from this stove and dance ... To the author, two points for the article.
  45. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 December 2013 16: 54
    +2
    Many troubles in our country arise from the tax system adopted as a basis. In our country, 75% of tax deductions goes to the treasury from taxes of enterprises, excise taxes, fees, etc. This leads to the fact that products, goods, services in the country are very expensive and even in some cases exceed the European level. In addition, since the state is preoccupied with the receipt of tax deductions from enterprises, it is clear that all his thoughts will be directed only to enterprises and trade and do not give a damn to the state about its citizens, their salaries, because they, with their 13% taxes, are of great importance for filling the budget do not have. In Europe, the tax system is built on a different principle - there 75% of the budget is financed from tax revenues from the population on a progressive basis, which is why rich citizens and high salaries are beneficial for states there, because they mainly fill the budget.
  46. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 16 December 2013 17: 08
    +3
    Who is the author, a fool or a provocateur?
  47. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 December 2013 17: 18
    +6
    He's a troll. From the cohort of praises of the "achievements" of Putinomics. True, all their attempts in the field of economic justifications and justifications for the actions of the company of "effective managers", despite the fact that they sound on different topics and voices, nevertheless come down to one principle-statement: "Everything is okay, because not everything is still" polymers fucking ... and "."
  48. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 16 December 2013 17: 47
    +6
    The statistics given in the article are based on the principle that the hard worker gets 11 thousand rubles, the boss 44 thousand rubles, and on average they get 27 thousand rubles.
    Statistics is compiled in order to have a complete and detailed information environment (this is in decision-making at the state level, it’s the same as deciding in battle by a commander based on intelligence and if the data is incorrect, then the operation will fail, and there will be big losses), but apparently they specifically include such information in order to misinform them.
    So that citizens do not understand what is really happening.
    There is also statistics in percentages and times (at the same time, the initial data are not given). What is a des-trick from the old times and is used for the same purpose, to hang noodles on the ears of ordinary citizens.
    These statistical reports are not accessible to most people and such information is protected very carefully (this is the first means in our time to maintain power, for example).
    So there is no need to build illusions about the reliability and objectivity of the data, especially in articles of this kind.
    It’s better and more useful (at least sometimes) to look around you and you will see a clearer picture.
  49. homosum20
    homosum20 16 December 2013 17: 49
    +6
    The average temperature in the hospital is 36,9. And the morgue is full. Why would it be?
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 16 December 2013 18: 13
      +3
      Quote: homosum20
      The average temperature in the hospital is 36,9. And the morgue is full. Why would it be?

      The morgue refrigerator is not working repeat .
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 16 December 2013 20: 17
      +3
      The reptilians in power)))) their temperature is much lower))) and they GET more money (they do not earn)))
      We live by "garlic", and they rob by the LAW)))
      Moreover, whatever you do, you’ll be guilty, you defend the Russians, you demand justice, you want to talk with the authorities, you worry about the children ....
      Here you have Justice, a court with a selective approach, the police palm off drugs, if you don’t buy, then throws it up as a thing doc)))) and the bailiffs, generally a song, began to select the last .....

      For garlic DO NOT, Russian People !!!! It is necessary in fairness
      Everything is in your hands, do it yourself, otherwise they will take care of you, no (you look healthy)) they will take care of your children, elderly parents, sister, wife .... Yes, "they" are already doing them, they started with moronization
  50. gameover_65
    gameover_65 16 December 2013 19: 14
    +6
    I'm not a motorist, but today I saw prices at Rosneft's gas station.
    dt - 38.90
    98- 35.90

    stunned simply, diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline.
    PPC, diesel locomotives, tractors, ships, agricultural machinery - it's all on diesel fuel.
    how can I transport goods with such prices in dt, what price will be in stores?
    how should agriculture produce a competitive product at such an energy price?
    such a price for fuel is a clear ban on development!