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"Sieg Heil, UPA!"

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"Sieg Heil, UPA!"



I have one question that does not allow me to live in peace. Why in the morning 6 loudly all over the country doesn’t sound the favorite song of “puppies”, due to a misunderstanding called Ukraine’s anthem, and after it the announcer doesn’t say Levitan’s voice: “There is no god but Bandera and the Prophet on the Earth”? Judging by the events that took place in Kiev, it is already time.

This question does not give me peace, because I do not know who to ask him. The fact of the revival of fascism in Ukraine no longer requires any evidence, if only because that MP Pan Mikhalchysh shouted loudly at the celebration of the UPA day in Lviv: “Death to anti-fascists”. These cries recorded and published all the media covering this Sabbath. The words of another deputy on one of the talk shows that IN Freedom - an anti-fascist, anti-Nazi party, can be considered a direct mockery of the consciousness of the people of Ukraine.

What do these outcasts celebrate? UPA Day? And what is the UPA? According to the nationalists, this is a heroic Ukrainian insurgent army. What is the army? The army is an institution of the state. Let's try to figure out which state represented the UPA.

The nonsense that the 30 July 1941 in Lviv, one of the Bandera white-hill maidens, proclaimed a declaration on the creation of the state of Ukraine, does not hold water. The state must be within certain limits. The state, in addition to the flag, anthem and coat of arms, it turns out, must also have a budget, due to which it, the state, provides its livelihoods. Well, and a lot of other things, which we will not talk about so far. And most importantly, it, the state, should be recognized by the world community, which at that time was the League of Nations. Nothing like the "state of Ukraine" at that time was not observed. Moreover, the “Shnevmerlik” never give full text of this very declaration. Why? Because there is one interesting phrase that sounds like this: Ukraine, hand in hand with Germany, led by the great Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, will carry the light of freedom to other countries of the world. Nehilo, right?

In consequence of the above, the question arises: who contained the so-called UPA, and from whose budget was it financed? The form they wore was, according to them, Austro-Hungarian, of the First World War. Maybe so, but Germany provided this form from its warehouses. Weapon - also. And she provided them with money. Moreover, retreating under the onslaught of the Red Army, the Germans left an enormous amount of weapons and ammunition to the UPA, which allowed them to engage in banditry right up to the beginning of the 50-s. So whose army was it? That's right, German. Because, as they say in Odessa, whoever is having dinner for a girl, he dances with her.

The baseless claims of UPA apologists that they fought against Germany and the USSR are not confirmed by anything. Moreover, the Bundeswehr archives officially publicly stated that the losses of the German troops from the UPA fighting were not found. But the Germans are a meticulous people, they are able to count, and accounting for them is paramount. Ordnung because. But the losses of the Red Army in manpower and technology are recorded, and there are numbers. They were published more than once, everyone can get acquainted with them. I, frankly, these numbers are not impressed. People say about such a result: a swing ruble, and a blow ... well, you know what. That is, the UPA fought only with the Red Army on the side of Nazi Germany.

“Heroism” they, of course, also showed. But mainly in the fight against the civilian population - with women, old people, small children. "Heroically" killed the chairmen of collective farms and village councils, teachers, doctors, as well as all who objected to their bestial essence. And these facts are also documented, confirmed by photographs. 15 years ago, the heroism of the UPA warriors preferred to keep quiet because there were a lot of witnesses to their atrocities. Over time, the witnesses began to die, and those few old people who still live, are afraid that, if they speak, the “heroic” grandchildren of those Bandera who killed their parents will come to them. With the regular units of the Red Army, invincible and legendary, the “heroic” UPA fighters did not engage in open battle — they preferred to shoot in the back. And the current bawlers from the UPA can not give a single example, well, at least some victory over the Red Army in the absence of such.

They, the followers of Bandera, are so stupid that they are not able to erect a normal monument to their god. Look closely at the monuments to Stepan Bandera, and you will be surprised to find the torso from the demolished monuments to Lenin, to which the blunt, brainless head of Bandera is attached. Nonsense. The Red Army raped their "glorious and heroic" army into a small hole for an enema, as she wanted, and this is a fact. You can shout "Glory to the heroes" and "Fat to the heroes", but the fact remains: there was no heroic UPA, but there was the usual bandit formation created by the insane Bandera and Shukhevych, the beast, which "the main beekeeper of Ukraine", the son of the same Bandera elevated to the rank of national heroes.

Such, if I may say so, "warrior heroes" are called the same way all over the world - war criminals. The French gave them the name of collaborators. There they were treated as follows. Women collaborators - mostly those who lived together with the Nazis - were stripped naked, dug in feathers and sent for a walk along the streets of the city of Paris on foot. They also acted humanely with the men - they smeared green on their foreheads so that the bullet would not carry the infection. Not spared anyone. The world famous Coco Chanel managed to escape to England and sat there quietly until the British government agreed with the French. Marshal Petain, head of the French government under the Germans, the national hero of France, the winner of the Battle of Verdun, was sentenced to death, public contempt and confiscation of property, despite 90-year-olds and great services to France in the past. And they would have slapped if de Gaulle had not replaced the death penalty with a life sentence. And rightly so, this is a serious lesson for the future for the rest.

And we have? Yaroslav Stetsko, the same head of the operetta government, did not suffer any punishment, having successfully died in emigration in extreme old age. All the other bandos caught in caches with weapons in their hands, successfully served 10-25 years, depending on the severity of the offense, and returned to peaceful life. Moreover, not everyone returned to their native lands, knowing that there was a “warm” reception awaiting them from the relatives of the people who were tortured by them. Those who came to confess, did not suffer any punishment. They all survived to a great old age, despite the "atrocities of the NKVD."

Moreover, the last UPA commander, well-known coronet general V. Cook served only ten, after which he graduated historical Faculty of the University, defended his Ph.D. and worked in the State Historical Archive. This despite the fact that the historical and philosophical faculties were tightly controlled by the CPSU. So, Cook shamefully surrendered his entire UPA along with warriors and caches, thus buying himself life and further prosperity. Good commander, nothing to say!

One thing pleases: Stepan Bandera got what he deserved - though, it’s a pity, not in the form in which it should have been done. Well, okay - dog and death of a dog. And it is in this “rotten liberalism” of the Soviet power and the flaw in the NKVD that lies one of the main reasons for the resuscitation of nationalism. Not finished off, not burned with a hot iron - now we are reaping the benefits. Neophytes of nationalism - they are uneducated people. Their cerebellum (diminutive of the word brain) is unable to perceive any theories. The works of Dontsov, Mikhnovsky, Sciborsky are empty words for them, Chinese writing. They do not distinguish between the concepts of "nation" and "nationality", "nationalism" and "national pride". The main thing is that they have the opportunity to throw out their bestial, hooligan essence with impunity. For them, nationalism is an empty sound: the main thing is to smash, break, beat in the face, while not forgetting to put on a mask on your own face, no matter how much happened. The same "heroes", like their grandfathers.

The actions of the authorities in relation to these fascist thugs can be regarded in two ways. Either it is complete indifference to what is happening in the country, or, much worse, consciously heating up neo-fascism in order to strengthen the already existing split of the country, which makes it possible to last longer at the trough. Indeed, in any other country so beloved by them, Europa would have stopped such an event in the simplest and most straightforward way - they would have driven the fire tanks and washed away all this shit from the street. And we instead went to storm the apartment, from which the song "Holy War" sounded. A shame! They naturally trampled down the bright memory of their own fathers and grandfathers, who freed the world from the brown plague.

Yes, I must admit that the UPA participated in the Second World War. On the side of the enemy, Hitler's Germany, and no matter what goals she pursued. And let the benefits and privileges of these scum receive from the hands of Angela Merkel. And in gratitude, they lick these hands by their inborn habit soaked with mother’s milk to lick something of the powerful. And the city and regional budgets of those cities where these freaks are paid extra pensions, will be deprived of subventions from the state budget. We can not allow the state to establish rules for life followers of the monsters of the human race. And we can not allow the streets of our cities, watered with the blood of our grandfathers and fathers, who liberated the land from the fascist scum, marched individuals whose grandfathers helped the fascists shed our blood. Otherwise, it will be a violation of the memory of the millions of people who laid their lives on the altar of the Fatherland in the fight against the fascist contagion, protecting humanity from it.

I urge all sensible people to defend our future against the encroachments of the social-nationalists, and, quite simply, neo-Nazis. Down with Freedom IN from the political arena of Ukraine.
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  1. horoh
    horoh 16 December 2013 07: 19
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    UPA is not an army, this is a common gang. Formation of the Second World War. Those. dumb gray cowardly !!!
    1. afire
      afire 16 December 2013 07: 46
      21
      Thanks Andrew!
      The article tells a lot to those "who are in the tank" and cannot see their own nose farther.
      But it is a pity that even she will not be able to convince the "especially gifted".
      A bullet can ...
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 16 December 2013 07: 55
        19
        It is worth noting that the majority of Galicians served Hitler not in the UPA, but DIRECTLY VOLUNTEERS: in the SS Galicia division, as punishers in the Schutzmanschaft, as executioners in concentration camps (Demjanjuk first took "preparatory courses" in the Travniki concentration camp, therefore they were called so - ). And then there were numerous police and self-defense police.
        1. gunter_laux
          gunter_laux 16 December 2013 08: 30
          +2
          Nikolay, that's right! These friends and "associates" of the Fuhrer were in abundance in Auschwitz-Birkenau (extermination camp Auschwitz-Brzezinka in Polish)
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 16 December 2013 12: 31
            -46 qualifying.
            Quote: gunter_laux
            Nikolay, that's right! These friends and "associates" of the Fuhrer were in abundance in Auschwitz-Birkenau (extermination camp Auschwitz-Brzezinka in Polish)
            What do you call the Tsarandoy fighters, traitors or patriots? And when we betrayed them, what can they think of the "elder brother"? Auschwitz is a pioneer camp compared to the GULAG, They even sent urns with ashes to relatives, and where are our convicts buried? But is this someone's father, son, brother? ? The camps are still 56 km. roads Nadym-Salekhard. You can't throw out words from a song, an unpleasant past, for a komunyak, but THIS WAS !!!
            1. Anper
              Anper 16 December 2013 15: 34
              13
              Can,even though they sent the urns to the relatives,but with other dust that didn’t go to the ballot boxes. fertilized the fields.
              But it’s interesting - how did they send these urns to bombed cities and burned villages? And if there was no recipient for obvious reasons, were they returned back? And all due to the Reich?
            2. DarkStar
              DarkStar 16 December 2013 18: 34
              19
              Quote: grafrozow
              They even sent ballot boxes to relatives

              Dear, you are either a donkey or a youngster. Concentration camps, these are sort of recycling centers where they were disposed of. extra, according to the Nazis, people. While some of the weakest are being disposed of, those who can work in anticipation of disposal. About 2000 people were disposed of per day in the same furnaces. According to your logic, they were first burnt like garbage, then the dust was scrubbed, packed in bins and sent to the village of grandfather ???? Are you in your own mind?
              1. acute
                acute 16 December 2013 18: 44
                14
                What a respected he is, you must have confused something. No enemies are needed when there are such "compatriots"
            3. acute
              acute 16 December 2013 18: 41
              12
              Who sent ballot boxes to whom? Where have you read it? Have you been there in a pioneer camp then? Shut up your mouth. Yes, there was everything, but what are you talking about, do you know something better than others? 50 million killed, like your dog’s mouth opens, the dog is lascivious. And you live in Russia and you are no more than 30 years old. You bastard
            4. APASUS
              APASUS 16 December 2013 19: 40
              11
              Quote: grafrozow
              , They even sent urns to the relatives of the ashes

              Three pieces of soap with the names Sarah, Moses and Moysh come to the Jewish family near Kiev.
              YOU'RE MUCH MUCH AS SCARY!
            5. Cherdak
              Cherdak 16 December 2013 20: 25
              +8
              Quote: grafrozow
              You can’t erase words from a song



              This is exactly "kick out" ... the word "asshole" according to the "Explanatory Dictionary" of V. I. Dal has the following lexical meaning: "Chilled donkey".

              You, lover, need to study history not only from Bandera leaflets.
            6. uizik
              uizik 16 December 2013 20: 33
              +5
              And who put it in your head! Have the bins been sent? In both hands! Liberalist horseradish!
            7. POMA
              POMA 16 December 2013 21: 02
              +4
              grafrozow Wow !!! so here you are what aliens.
              Eccentric letter M, what planet are you from.
            8. QWERTY
              QWERTY 16 December 2013 21: 38
              +3
              To some relatives and who sent interesting ballot boxes? Yours? Apparently those urns, like which you have instead of the brain, or the organ that replaces it.
            9. ramzes1776
              ramzes1776 16 December 2013 23: 44
              +2
              Quote: grafrozow
              Auschwitz Pioneer Camp Compared to the Gulag

              Where the ignoramus taught you so fool ??? Or are you just a bald troll am ? How much do Western customers pay you to carry such heresy? negative ?
          2. ele1285
            ele1285 16 December 2013 15: 42
            +2
            UPA is not an army, this is a common gang. Formation of the Second World War. Those. dumb gray cowardly !!!


            This is not a gang formation, this is a sect, or if you want a diagnosis, they need to be treated in just two ways: an enema with broken glass or especially violent tablets from 9 and grams of lead.
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 16 December 2013 20: 40
              +9
              Quote: ele1285
              UPA is not an army
              1. Felix200970
                Felix200970 16 December 2013 22: 17
                +1
                Quote: Cherdak
                Quote: ele1285
                UPA is not an army

                Just frankly pleased
        2. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 16 December 2013 11: 08
          30
          hi
          I am deeply convinced and I will not tire of repeating that VO “Liberty” is the last Nazi bystryuk from the SS men from the Nazi Guards of Galichin, mercenary punitive from the Nakhtigal and Roland battalions, and the Bandera population friendly to the Third Reich troops - speaking under the slogan “No God,” Bandera, and Tyagnibok his prophet. "
          OUN members of all stripes and UPavtsy have always been SEPARATISTS. Their goal is not "FREE UKRAINE", but "ALL UKRAINE BANDER-NAZI GALICIA". At least one member of the UPA or OUN fought for Kiev or Kharkov, Odessa or Sevastopol, Lugansk or Krivoy Rog, stormed Berlin? But on the second day of the war, they fired in the back of the Red Army wars and greeted the fascist troops with flowers, swearing allegiance to their Fuehrer!
          By the way, didn’t you think about how the so-called conglomerate of nationalities and peoples historically developed in Ukraine “Svoboda” will identify the titular Ukrainians? Judging by their statements - just like the fascists of the true Aryans - measure the skulls with a pair of compasses. And what to do with Ukrainians? - however, the UPA in Babi Yar and Volhynia has already shown ...
          And the so-called Western Ukraine - Galicia has never been Ukraine! Until the 1939 year - the ghetto of Europe (actually not even having its own industry, however, as now) and the litter for Poland, Austria-Hungary and fascist Germany. And if not for the Soviet Union with its Red Army in the 1939, which essentially gave it the opportunity to exist and be called Western Ukraine as such, and its inhabitants - Ukrainians (!). It is from here - from the Lviv, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk regions, in which less than 11% of the country's population lives, but for which it is historically natural to “plow” guest workers in Europe - the most popular are buses in support of Ukraine's loss of sovereignty and national identity - or who Someone doubts that, following EU products, priests of the Catholic and other churches will pour into Ukraine ?!
          Throughout their history, the Galicians fought with Kievan Rus, the Ukrainian Cossacks and Orthodoxy, and therefore, in fact, they have no right to be called Ukrainians! Therefore, when the Galician ruling elite and the nationalist opposition speak of the “unity” of Ukraine, one should be aware that this refers to the unconditional surrender to the ideas of Bandera, the ideals of mercenaries from the special battalions and SS men of Galicia, Russophobia of the OUN-UPA and outspoken nationalist totalitarianism - the ideology formed in Galicia by the centuries-old efforts of Poles and Austrians, which boils down to the fact that the Ukrainian should fiercely hate everything Russian, including in himself.
          In the current situation, Ukrainians can repeat the fate of the Balts, who had a historic chance to stay with Russia, but they were drawn to the Gey.ropam.
          For Russia, they were Europeans. What have they become for Europe? Right! Poles - from jokes, with SS men as national heroes ...
          Or maybe the whole point is that a priori, when there can NOT be order and sense in a country that in fact is Orthodox Christian has a pagan symbol (“trident”, Ukrainian. Trident) as its national emblem, and a state flag is a donated banner of a foreign country ( for those who don’t know - Austria-Hungary, donated to the Austrian province of Galicia, thank God, at least guessed to turn it over!), and the national anthem - a song from a foreign country (Poland), which historically was considered a hostile state!
          What do you think?
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 16 December 2013 15: 48
            +3
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            hi

            It is from here - from the Lviv, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk regions, in which less than 11% of the country's population lives,

            What do you think?




            Small bug, but smelly !!!
          2. Felix200970
            Felix200970 16 December 2013 22: 36
            +1
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            And the so-called Western Ukraine - Galicia has never been Ukraine!

            I will add: Ukrainians were not born there until 1939. There were Hutsuls, fights, Lemks, but there were no Ukrainians. Wild and forced people who only the Soviet government gave the opportunity to receive compulsory secondary education. Yes, and the possibility of obtaining higher did not interfere.
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            Or maybe the whole point is that a priori, when there can NOT be order and sense in a country that, in fact, is Orthodox Christian

            But she is not all Orthodox. In the part about which we speak, it is Greek Catholic. And you do not understand the influence of the priests on their minds. Sorry, but we are not given to understand this.
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 16 December 2013 22: 49
              +5
              hi
              Quote Felix200970
              I will add: Ukrainians were not born there until the 1939 year. There were Hutsuls, fights, Lemks, but there were no Ukrainians.

              Galicians differ from real Russians in everything - psychology, anthropological type and (most importantly!) Non-Slavic origin.
              Yes Yes! It is non-Slavic! Subconsciously, the natives of Western Ukraine are still aware of this. Even those who did not read anything at all - neither historical books, nor tear-off wall calendars. Anyone who communicated with the inhabitants of the Lviv or Ivano-Frankivsk regions knows the local expression - "racial Galician." “The yogi squad is a racial Galician!” - they will proudly tell you. Or: "Pan Zenik is a reference racial Galician." And they will point out to the swirling “Kurdupel” (in our opinion, a short-legged subchik) with ideological hysteria in his eyes.
              But if there is a definition, then there must be a phenomenon - some local Galician race. Simply put, a human breed that is not radically similar to Poltava or Chernihiv. So what did she get out of?
              The answer can be found in any monograph on Slavic ethnogenesis.
              At the turn of the old and new era, the Slavs in Galicia were not yet. It was inhabited by the bearers of the so-called "culture of the Carpathian mounds" - the Dacian tribe of carps. Ancient Dacians are the ancestors of today's Romanians and Moldavians. In the II century, under the emperor Trajan, the Romans conquered them, having founded the province of Dacia on the territory of present-day Romania.
              But the conquerors did not reach the Carpathians themselves and Upper Transnistria. The poor local territories, inhabited by backward savages, simply did not interest the natives of Italy. They had enough fleece of their own, and it did not make sense to chase some goat-footed satyrs in the meadows for the sake of military glory. Dacian carps were left alone, giving them the opportunity to exist in their "culture of the Carpathian mounds."
              This continued until the era of the Great Migration of Peoples, when the Slavs began to seep here from Volyn. In the 5th – 6th centuries, this part of the Dacians, falling under their authority, lost its language and switched to the Slavic dialect, naturally distorting it. From the Dacians, obeying the Romans, came the Romanians and Moldavians. And of those remnants that recognized the superiority of the Slavs, the current Galicians. Thus, it would not be an exaggeration to say that the Galicians are, in fact, Slavic Moldavians.
              “The historical path of the culture of the Carpathian kurgans,” says the “Old History of Ukraine” published in 1995 in Kiev, “by way of an illustration of the assimilation of old words by the Geto-Dacians. It is possible, in the most common manifestation, to glimpse the great causes of the freakishness of the words of ethnic groups, who live in the Carpathians. "
              But why is it possible? Personally, looking at how the Hutsuls with their national tomahawks are jumping around the vatra, I have no doubt one bit about the reasons for this “self-determination”. The same Romanian-Moldavian (Geto-Dacian!) Melodies, the same hunchbacked non-Slavic faces, exactly the same captars embroidered with Carpathian tsatsk tsatskas inside. While they are silent, you cannot distinguish them from Moldavians at all!
              1. stroporez
                stroporez 17 December 2013 00: 04
                +1
                I read somewhere, in almost all European languages, the word Hutsul, Gotsul, Gatsul ... etc. means --- bandyuk, murderer. so sho, I think that Europe does not experience any special illusions about who they are ........
              2. Drlivsi
                Drlivsi 17 December 2013 01: 21
                0
                http://warfiles.ru/show-44249-moguchie-belorusy-i-nichtozhnye-pribalty.html
          3. Farik
            Farik 17 December 2013 00: 18
            +4
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            OUN men of all stripes and UPA men have always been SEPARATISTS.

            These creatures not only were bandits during the Second World War, but in our time they fought in Chechnya on the side of the bandit formations. You can't re-educate them, they have hatred of the Slavs in their blood. So only "you need to smear your forehead with green stuff !!!"
        3. grafrozow
          grafrozow 16 December 2013 12: 19
          -20 qualifying.
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          It is worth noting that most Galicians did not serve Hitler in the UPA,
          Nikolai, they cannot distinguish the UPA from the OUN, all of them have crossed the road, but ask who Melnik is? Horseradish will answer. And there are no other problems? Pensions, Salary, Medicine, all Bandera's are to blame, but not our authority. Question to us, hell such a power that it can’t cope with enemies? can it change it?
          1. Egoza
            16 December 2013 12: 24
            17
            Quote: grafrozow
            The question is, to hell with us such power that it can’t cope with the enemies? Can it change it?

            Who are you going to change? On orange? So they have already been in power!
            Not power needs to be changed, but STORY !!! And enter into an alliance with Russia! Then there will be a sense!
            1. grafrozow
              grafrozow 16 December 2013 14: 50
              -3
              Quote: Egoza
              Quote: grafrozow
              The question is, to hell with us such power that it can’t cope with the enemies? Can it change it?

              Who are you going to change? On orange? So they have already been in power!
              Not power needs to be changed, but STORY !!! And enter into an alliance with Russia! Then there will be a sense!
              Who is against? Every year I go on vacation to my mother in Ukraine, I see all this, sadly damn it.
            2. morpex
              morpex 17 December 2013 00: 51
              +1
              Quote: Egoza
              Not power needs to be changed, but STORY !!!

              Lena, what kind of system are you talking about? And how to change? Elections? Forget about them with this power .. Again Maidan? Under other banners?



              Quote: Egoza
              And enter into an alliance with Russia

              And then what? Another system? There are plenty of their hearts. They are picking people no worse than ours. And is there a system to change?
        4. vkrav
          vkrav 16 December 2013 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          DIRECTLY BY VOLUNTEERS:

          Moreover, under the Yalta agreement, they were considered POWs, and therefore they were given terms of no more than 10 years ... And then they were willingly hired to work on a profile in this very Gulag - roties.
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 16 December 2013 08: 48
        +6
        Quote: afire
        Thanks Andrew!
        The article tells a lot to those "who are in the tank" and cannot see their own nose farther.
        But it is a pity that even she will not be able to convince the "especially gifted".
        A bullet can ...


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        1. avg
          avg 16 December 2013 19: 15
          +1
          But it is a pity that even she will not be able to convince the "especially gifted".
          A bullet can ...

          The bullet does not convince. But, she removes the problem.
      3. W-pott
        W-pott 16 December 2013 19: 15
        -23 qualifying.
        Sorry, but this is not an article, but a belching of a sick mind. "Puppeteers", the anthem of Ukraine - a misunderstanding, etc. .. This can not be called an article.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 16 December 2013 19: 42
          +3
          Quote: W-pott
          Sorry, but this is not an article, but a belching of a sick mind. "Puppeteers", the anthem of Ukraine - a misunderstanding, etc. .. This can not be called an article.

          Well, in some sense, you are right, this is really not only an article but also DUST against Maydanuty, bactericidal agent against banderlogs, DIFLOFOS against independent European integrators, and you thought rose oil?
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 16 December 2013 08: 10
      11
      The Red Army has raped their "heroic and heroic" army in a small hole for an enema, as they wanted, and this is a fact. You can shout “Glory to the heroes” and “Fat to the heroes”, but the fact remains: there was no heroic UPA, but there was the usual bandit formation created by the insane Bandera and Shukhevych, the beast whom the “main beekeeper of Ukraine”, the son of the same Bandera, elevated to the rank of national heroes.


      Quote from the author, just a CREDIT!
      And it does not even make sense to discuss the activities of the disadvantages. Their whole heroism is the abuses and murders of civilians, mainly from women and children.
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 16 December 2013 14: 57
        -14 qualifying.
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        The Red Army has raped their "heroic and heroic" army in a small hole for an enema, as they wanted, and this is a fact. You can shout “Glory to the heroes” and “Fat to the heroes”, but the fact remains:
        Take an interest in how Kovpak Sidor Artemyevich fought in the Carpathians, you won’t find it. They don’t write the truth, but all garbage is already running.
        1. RPD
          RPD 16 December 2013 19: 57
          +2
          and you tell the truth directly to the brain?
      2. morpex
        morpex 17 December 2013 01: 00
        -4
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        The Red Army raped their "dumb and heroic" army in a small hole

        Well, well ... Tell this to my grandfather who from the 45th to the 48th there "burp" through the forests and mountains. He will tell you how we "had" them and how they us. Don't write to HERNY , and to give it their due, they knew how to fight not sickly. Textbooks for saboteurs were written about their guerrilla war.
        The guys who fought in Chechnya will understand me ...
    3. officer29
      officer29 16 December 2013 09: 33
      12
      The UPA, unfortunately, was, if not an army, then a very highly organized bandit formation. With tough, one might even say cruel, discipline, with a clear chain of command. They were trained for sabotage and partisan war by highly qualified professionals. It was very difficult to infiltrate them, it was almost impossible to find caches in the Carpathians, even with the help of aviation. The combing of mountains and forests was ineffective, since the camouflage was at the highest level! Often, behind, the already combed terrain responded with such fire that entire units were killed! You don't have to go far for an example - the film "State Border". The brains of the OUN-UPA fighters were so washed out that everything human was exterminated from them, they did not care who stood in front of them, a Red Army fighter, a woman, an old man or a child! Therefore, you cannot treat them like cowards and ordinary bandits! That is why, according to unofficial data, the Bandera supporters were caught until the mid-70s! You can minus me if I'm wrong!
    4. major071
      major071 16 December 2013 12: 29
      10
      I have one question - how did these "veterans" of the UPA and other fascist organizations live during the Soviet era? After all, at that time they did not march and were not proud of their "medals" and badges received from the Nazis. What did they tell their children and grandchildren? Probably about the fact that they joined the CPSU and the Komsomol, they talked about the great goal of building communism, and now it's the other way around. Werewolves. Betrayed once - they will betray again. negative
      1. mizantropi
        mizantropi 16 December 2013 13: 26
        +7
        This is a very correct formulation of the question! Indeed, why did not the "bloody KGB" in the post-war years make a "final decision" on all "veterans" of Ukrainian nationalist formations and organizations?!? It was necessary to clean up this abomination "to zero", the air on our small planet and now would be noticeably cleaner! The same defect of the "competent authorities" of the USSR and the Baltic fascists.
    5. AVV
      AVV 16 December 2013 15: 13
      +3
      UPA These are the dregs of society, which are now climbing out and conducting processions !!! And the southeast, it pays them a pension, it’s nonsense to keep these freaks, they need to cut down the forest for life, and these ki are free, although the Germans still judge this day !!!
      1. alone
        alone 16 December 2013 19: 00
        +1
        Damn, that surprises the people, and! Dream of a union! what a union, when only thieves and swindlers sit at the head of states! Do you think the thief will want to share with his jackpot if he can grab it all by himself? Like adults, but don’t know such a trifle))
  2. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 16 December 2013 07: 19
    25
    I look at mass events in Ukraine and increasingly come to the conclusion that the division of Ukraine is inevitable.
    It is impossible to find the western part of the state with a large part of the Nazi-minded "Austro-Hungarian" population, and its eastern Russian part, which is pro-Russian.
    It is impossible to reconcile the irreconcilable in one whole "democratic" state! And the sooner this happens, the better it will be for the whole people.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 16 December 2013 08: 25
      +2
      Quote: vladimirZ
      It is impossible to find the western part of the state with a large part of the Nazi-minded "Austro-Hungarian" population, and its eastern Russian part, which is pro-Russian.

      The section in any form is inadmissible for this is in any case the victory of the jackals. Ukraine must, together with Belarus and Russia, form a single state.
      In any other country, so dearly beloved by the Europeans, such an event would have ended in the simplest and most uncomplicated way - they would have fitted fire tanks and washed all this shit off the street. Instead, they went to storm the apartment, from which the song “Holy War” sounded.
      The article as a whole is like a cry of beer patriotism, without thoughtful analysis, but with one "subtle" hint. Namely:Coronet General V. Cook served all Six years, after which he graduated from the University’s History Department, defended his Ph.D. and worked in the State Historical Archive. So, in 1954, Cook shamefully handed over his entire UPA along with warriors and caches, thus buying himself life and further prosperity.
      Even then, this bomb was planted during the "Khrushchev Thaw" and after the collapse of the USSR, the KUK published a number of works on the history of the UPA.
      On February 19, 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted a decree on the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to Ukraine.
      Geostrategic tasks have been solved for centuries.
      The "big game" is in full bloom.
    2. andrejwz
      andrejwz 16 December 2013 10: 07
      +1
      Quote: vladimirZ
      I look at mass events in Ukraine and increasingly come to the conclusion that the division of Ukraine is inevitable.

      Rather necessary.
    3. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 16 December 2013 11: 15
      +5
      What a culture.
      Take a look who represents the opposition:
      One lobby in the United States, the second in Germany (before, for 200 euros, one could get a box an hour), and the third one sold pseudo-drugs for cancer to the hopeless for 15 years. That's the whole "Holy Trinity" So what culture needs to do, everything is much more banal.
      1. Altona
        Altona 16 December 2013 18: 41
        +3
        It is interesting how the tolerant boxer with permanent residence in Germany Vitala, the half-Jewish Senchik and the terry Nazi Olezha got along in this "friendly" terrarium?
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 16 December 2013 19: 48
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          It is interesting how the tolerant boxer with permanent residence in Germany Vitala, the half-Jewish Senchik and the terry Nazi Olezha got along in this "friendly" terrarium?

          They were glued together with a lot of money and a thirst for power, this is their god, and only to the trough.
    4. Tartary
      Tartary 17 December 2013 02: 04
      0
      Quote: vladimirZ
      I look at mass events in Ukraine and increasingly come to the conclusion that the division of Ukraine is inevitable.
      It is impossible to find the western part of the state with a large part of the Nazi-minded "Austro-Hungarian" population, and its eastern Russian part, which is pro-Russian.
      It is impossible to reconcile the irreconcilable in one whole "democratic" state! And the sooner this happens, the better it will be for the whole people.

      These areas will depart to Poland, the Hutsuls will understand right away or gradually that they will be unbearable and will leak again to the East, and-and-and-and-and, let's stir up the water again ... Do we and Ukrainians need this ??
      There must be a person in Ukraine who will give the command to catch like the fleas of all the scoundrels-Natsiks and transplant them - it would ...
  3. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 December 2013 07: 19
    20
    All peoples have, have and will have traitors. This cannot be avoided. But history does not know such a bright and open manifestation of betrayal to his COUNTRY, to his PEOPLE as from the "trio" klitschko + yatsenyuk + tyagnibok. I'm sure!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 December 2013 07: 31
      +7
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      "trio" klitschko + yatsenyuk + tyagnibok

      Heroes of our time, their mother.
  4. makarov
    makarov 16 December 2013 07: 25
    13
    I will try to give an answer to the author to some extent. The fact is that for the regime of the Yanukovych organized crime group, the bendershtat is much more acceptable, almost "brotherly in terms of numbers" than intellectual personalities and leaders who, to my regret, have not yet emerged. If you "dirty" the media, you can clearly identify the funding flows of "Svoboda", and you will see that Yanukovych's organized criminal group and the "Svoboda" party are financed from the same trough. Hence the conclusion: - Who benefits from it ???
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 16 December 2013 07: 47
      +6
      Quote: makarov
      Yanukovych's organized criminal group and the Svoboda party are funded from the same trough. Hence the conclusion: - Who benefits from it ???


      All 22 years of independence from common sense, the Gauleiters "U" persistently pedalized Bandero-Nazism, and playing on the contradictions between the fascist West and the working East, they stuffed themselves with money, stealing everything they could reach.
      P.S. the truth is now there has been some kind of "progress" - the snake of Ukronazism, nursed by the oligarchy, has begun to sting its daddy-breadwinner.
    2. morpex
      morpex 17 December 2013 01: 09
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      that the organized criminal group of Yanukovych and the Svoboda party are financed from the same trough. Hence the conclusion: - Who benefits from it ???

      100% Pavel you are right. Only a blind man does not see it. "Freedom" is a perdist of the regionals.
      And according to the criminal authorities, the bandits, Lvov has now left far behind both Donetsk and Odessa ... The border is nearby, the contraband and other "delights" ... The question is, why do they need the European Union?
  5. wulf66
    wulf66 16 December 2013 07: 28
    18
    Thank God that my grandfather, who went through the entire war, participated in the defense and liberation of Kiev, did not find all this ugliness and abomination ...
  6. Pit
    Pit 16 December 2013 07: 37
    14
    Yes, grandfather Stalin did not modify it, did not modify it. Don’t say that, but he was too kind a person for his position.
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  9. pensioner
    pensioner 16 December 2013 07: 54
    13
    Yesterday, sitting at the table, my mother recalled how zapadentsev drove us to the Urals to work in the mines. They kept apart, almost did not communicate with anyone. The Russian language was included only when absolutely necessary. They were distinguished by extreme greed. Saved on everything, even on clothes in the winter, saved up money. In their barracks they dirtied everything, let's breed it. And among them, our bodies constantly calculated traitors ... When Khrushchev came to power, they all-100%, went back to Ukraine. Almost no one left. Well, nobody was upset ... And the others were left! And the Germans, and the Baltic states, and Greeks with the Crimean Tatars! We had a full international in the class! Of the 15 republics, only Tajiks were not. Both Germans and Greeks ... Even the Assyrian was alone!
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 16 December 2013 15: 52
      0
      Good afternoon.) And where are you from, from the Urals? )
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 16 December 2013 16: 04
        +1
        Now I live in Yo-burg (since 1980). And originally from Gubakha. hi
        1. alex popov
          alex popov 16 December 2013 19: 33
          +2
          Good evening, countryman.) Originally from Nevyansk. hi
          My grandparents are all local relatives, Old Believers, but my father-in-law is a settler from Ukraine. His grandfather was dispossessed (according to his father-in-law for the case) and his whole family to Kazakhstan in the bare steppe. Also told a lot of things ...
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 16 December 2013 20: 02
            +1
            You won’t believe me, my father-in-law is the same! Yes, even with Polish roots. But lives in the Kurgan region.
  10. novobranets
    novobranets 16 December 2013 07: 55
    15
    Lived. Stinking dogs, unfinished Nazi henchmen, now walk in heroes, with a pack of their puppies not drowned in time. But where are the people looking? After all, this abomination is less than normal people. Why don't they drive them away from Ukraine with a toilet broom? I am surprised at the Ukrainians, did the craving for the dubious "benefits" of the European Union outweigh common sense and make them betray the memory of fathers and grandfathers who heroically fought against fascism and died for the future of their children. Shame on the people who betrayed the fathers!
    1. Pit
      Pit 16 December 2013 10: 09
      +8
      I don’t remember who said: There is nothing worse than the Russian rebellion. And there’s a saying: Russians harness for a long time, but go fast.
      So, what am I talking about?
      Ukrainians, as such, are the same Russians, will endure until they break through. But when it breaks through, so hold the seven, they will sweep away everything. This is our harrachter and we can’t get anywhere from him.
      And those who are now rebelling there are descendants of Poles, Polish Jews, etc., Ukrainians there are no more than 2% percent. And their whole task is to provoke ordinary Ukrainians to riot.
    2. agbykov
      agbykov 16 December 2013 17: 41
      +5
      L. N. Tolstoy in War and Peace said: “There are many more good people, but bad people are better organized.”
    3. makarov
      makarov 16 December 2013 18: 50
      +1
      "Stinking dogs, unfinished fascist henchmen, now walk in heroes. With a pack of their puppies not drowned in time. But where are the people looking? .."

      And in the Russian Federation where people look at packs of their own Natsik ???? Here is that and it ... the packs pass by, silently dropping their eyes down, thinking and "suddenly disfigure"
  11. 020205
    020205 16 December 2013 07: 57
    +8
    Not guys with our neighbors need to do something, how can you be perverted so that traitors of your own people, child murderers and rapists are walking in the streets, and it’s not even a matter of the notorious European integration that has already gotten a sore edge (though soon already homosexuals will go to Kiev) and in ordinary humanity, popular memory, well, at least kill me, but I can’t understand how such a trash like Bender, etc. can turn out to be a national hero, and if he is a national hero, it means people I don’t want to believe it, and it’s not even my brotherly feelings for the Ukrainians (which by the way are equal to zero), but the simple understanding of good and evil, and it doesn’t matter who will be in power in an independent, pro-Russian or pro-European president, this abomination should not be
  12. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 16 December 2013 08: 01
    +6
    from the Don.
    And what could be expected from Ukraine, if everything related to the USSR was destroyed over the course of 20 years? There is no power in Ukraine, and there is no power. There is the power of money. There are more than 20 registered NGOs in Ukraine! the light of these unfinished freaks. But not everyone in Ukraine agrees with these. So: the cinema: has not ended yet! And Ukraine will not survive until the age of 15.
  13. George
    George 16 December 2013 08: 05
    +5
    Down with the Freedom in the political arena of Ukraine.

    How did it turn out there?
  14. Troy
    Troy 16 December 2013 08: 08
    +5
    Quote: vladimirZ
    I look at mass events in Ukraine and increasingly come to the conclusion that the division of Ukraine is inevitable.
    It is impossible to find the western part of the state with a large part of the Nazi-minded "Austro-Hungarian" population, and its eastern Russian part, which is pro-Russian.
    It is impossible to reconcile the irreconcilable in one whole "democratic" state! And the sooner this happens, the better it will be for the whole people.

    Entirely and completely agree. This cannot be avoided and it is for the better. If this geographical misunderstanding falls apart, then everything will fall into place. Bendery zapadentsev to work with languages ​​(replace toilet paper) in geyrop, east in the bosom of mother Russia.
  15. dark_65
    dark_65 16 December 2013 08: 09
    +9
    I will not tire of repeating, the rulers are what their people are, in this case, you can refer to the youngsters duped, to the other delights of perestroika for an infinitely long time .... but the bulk of them have lived with us all the years ... apparently then they were very repressed? under the Union?
    So it turns out that we have what we have. You can blame me for anything, but Georgia, the Baltic states, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, with a stretch of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan .... you can continue to infinity.
    They’re afraid of the bear, only when he doesn’t sleep, can we wake up?
  16. morpogr
    morpogr 16 December 2013 08: 26
    +3
    How such an abomination can go around Kiev screaming their slogans and throwing up their hands with fascist symbols greeting the traitors of their people. Ukrainians Kiev wake up if this scum takes power of the country. This trash must be burned with a hot iron. So after many years when people mention this evil spat.
    1. Severomorsk
      Severomorsk 16 December 2013 09: 29
      -1
      They will all die out soon themselves.
      1. Anper
        Anper 16 December 2013 12: 25
        +3
        I remember that in the beginning of the 90s we had the People’s Movement of Ukraine. Scream, scream! They removed several mayors in the region, the middle management (as politically unreliable), renamed Moskovskaya Street to Stepan Bandera, Krasnoarmeyskaya Street to Petlyury. There are Shukhevych Street , Konovalets, Miller. And all this is pathetic, with flags, with processions.
        The managerial mess started indescribable! Almost everything stopped. The people, Svidomo and invisible, just went crazy - the children do not study at schools, they walk, certificates for all instances are not issued, and if issued, then you can immediately make a book of anecdotes from them, etc. . etc. After a couple of months, they all were removed quietly and things went.
        Where is he now, this Rukh? We gnawed at each other, divided into several different Rukhs. And they sit, smoke the sky, "a bunch of idiots" (this is the expression of their party member). So maybe these
        Quote: Severomorsk
        soon everyone will die out
        1. Cat
          Cat 16 December 2013 17: 01
          0
          Quote: Anper
          I remember that in the early 90s we had the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

          I remember that this organization was originally called as follows: "The People's Movement of Ukraine for Perebudova" (in Russian - the People's Movement of Ukraine for Perestroika). And this Rukh was created under the patronage of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine in general and L.M. Kravchuk in particular, who was then head of the ideological department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine. But after a while, the words "for Perebudova" were removed from the title, in order to please the current political moment, well, then, off we go ...
          This is to make it easier for you to understand - people with what moral (patriotic / ideological / moral / etc, necessary to emphasize) qualities stood at the origins of the collapse, and what could be expected from them and why - not be surprised =)
          1. Anper
            Anper 16 December 2013 17: 57
            +2
            I allow myself to disagree - just not the Communists, but the people who were elected to the administration. surfaced in the wave of the Rukh. Where they sat before - and who where. One teacher, the second - assistant professor. However, of local origin.
            But the communists - leaders were returned later, just in silence, against the background of the popularity of Rukh and damnations against the USSR. And not one of the Svidomo rebelled - to talk about the future of Ukraine is one thing, and to govern a city, building this future is another. By the way, not one After that there was no responsible leadership post. Rallies, processions, agitation, beating of veterans, etc. etc. - as much as you like.
            Some kind of deja vu, looking at today.














            1. Cat
              Cat 16 December 2013 18: 19
              +2
              Quote: Anper
              it was not the Communists who were elected to the administration, but the people. surfaced in the wave of the Rukh.

              Here, you have very successfully characterized those people surfaced. Exactly what - pop-up, because italways swims ... and seethes.
              These here, who are yelling from the rostrum on the Maidan, they, too, are surfaced. Even if you foolishly admit that their thoughts are pure, and their goals are noble, there is nothing worth waiting for from their coming to power (suddenly this will happen). Because no matter what but seething, these pop-ups are not capable in principle. And they will end, in the end, as well as the mentioned Ruh, and as OU with Yushch at the head. Trend c.

              It’s just ... it’s not easier for us all from this, but quite the contrary. Therefore, let it be better that Yanyk and his Donetsk people are in power. At least they are at least doing something, and not just agitators of 9 years ago who are yelling from the rostrum.
  17. Semenov
    Semenov 16 December 2013 08: 31
    +5
    The article is close to documentary, but who else has read it? This should be in history textbooks, on TV, on the radio, in newspapers to be quoted. "With mother's milk" to be absorbed from childhood. You can record the interview, there are still people in Belarus who remember the "Nachtigall" (Nightingale) battalion, the Galician policemen and their atrocities like Khatyn.
  18. Fitter65
    Fitter65 16 December 2013 08: 32
    10
    In the year 89 we drove for firewood, from the city of Amursk to the side of Elban, well, because I was driven by a young one, our ZIL boiled on a small pass. They stopped in the village, I looked at the fence over the well, in the fence of the grandfather. In response, I threw such sons at 44m on a bitch. Well, I asked his neighbors for water, I asked about a neighbor who turned out to be a former Bandera ... I spent time, stayed, worked in a timber industry farm, even was a foreman. So, they said, he was not a malevolent guy, he just reacted poorly to the military and police. There was something to see after him if he preferred the Far Eastern taiga to his native Ukraine.
  19. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 16 December 2013 08: 47
    +4
    ) here many of the former compatriots were crying, "Russia help." And you directly ask, "what will you meet with Russian tanks." They immediately turn on the square.revut - "oh, we have fascists in Estonia." But they don’t want to go to Russia. Yes, they went to ....... these former they are hammered. It is necessary to be stronger, for there are no "Young Guard" capable of the feat among them!
    1. sasska
      sasska 16 December 2013 18: 52
      +2
      "they are roaring -" oh, we have fascists in estonia, "but they don't want to go to Russia."
      and where in this thread, Estonia? and why go from the place where you were born ??
      tavarisch, you have some kind of brain vandalism complicated by linguodiarrhea.
  20. Severomorsk
    Severomorsk 16 December 2013 09: 18
    -11 qualifying.
    In the 21st century, 60 years after the end of World War II, in an independent state, Ukraine still faces a sharp issue of confrontation between old people who fought on opposite sides of the barricades ... A confrontation intensely fueled by the children and grandchildren of these same old people.
    As you know, history often consists of myths. The history of Ukraine was not an exception, especially in that part of it that concerns the UPA. And we are talking not only about myths invented by Soviet historians, but also about myths of purely Ukrainian origin. Let us dwell on the most characteristic myths of both categories.

    The first myth. Veterans of the Red Army do not want to put up with UPA fighters, since most of the surviving veterans are fighters of the NKVD detachments, who did not fight at the front, but who were engaged in the genocide of the Ukrainian people.
    UPA veterans themselves and their supporters often resort to such arguments when they are asked about the possibility of reconciliation with veterans of the Red Army. In fact, everything is somewhat different. The vast majority of surviving veterans fought outside the territories on which the UPA operated. Therefore, personal experience does not allow them to judge what the Ukrainian rebel army was like. But this allows communist propaganda, which the Soviet government generously fed people with. You must admit that it is impossible to show the miracles of heroism, not believing that the cause for which you are ready to go to death is just. And having experienced in your own skin all the horrors of war, it is very difficult to come to terms with the idea that the country that you defended is nothing but one of the most terrible totalitarian monsters in the history of mankind. However, most veterans fought not for the communist regime, but for their homeland and against another monster - Nazi Germany. And, accordingly, all who raised weapons against them were subconsciously recorded as accomplices of Nazism. These are the characteristics of human psychology: it is much easier to master the game of chess, where two opponents are fighting at the table, than preference, where there are four opponents. And especially the mentality of a Western Ukrainian of the mid-twentieth century, who was ready to fight against all, if only to realize his dream of an independent Ukrainian state to a person who was trained to divide people according to the “black and white” principle, was even more difficult. The last statement to a large extent applies to veterans directly confronted with the UPA during the war. And they are easy to understand: when you shed blood, sincerely believing that you are freeing people from the brown plague, and as a thank you get a bullet in the back from the forest for this, it is difficult to sympathize with people who pulled the trigger. But the fact of the matter is that the inhabitants of Western Ukraine did not consider the Red Army a liberator! In 1939-41, when they met the Soviet regime with flowers, they paid for it with hundreds of thousands of lives of fellow countrymen who were shot and disappeared unknownly in Kolyma about what this liberation is fraught with for them. Another thing is that the fighters of the regular units of the Red Army themselves had nothing to do with the crimes of the Stalinist regime. But this, as they say, is another matter.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 16 December 2013 15: 07
      -10 qualifying.
      The first koment, which was not written on emotions, is for you, Severomorsk, plus. I don’t comment on the article for the reason that the anthem of Ukraine is not a song, it is a state symbol that needs to be respected if you consider yourself a decent and educated person.
      But my grandfather on such an issue (Bandera) said (at the time of the beginning of the Second World War he was 35 years old) that he needed to follow the people. And the people then nevertheless went after the Soviet regime.
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 16 December 2013 17: 15
        +4
        Here's a minus for you, purely on emotions, the first one with all my heart. wink
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 16 December 2013 18: 12
        +3
        Of course you +, but it is hardly possible to treat the anthem with respect, the simplest example is the anthem of the STATE which was called the "Third Reich". Should it also be respected?
        And tell me who on this site considers himself NOT a decent and NOT educated person?
        And minus on emotions, this is not entirely true. As one of the famous people said, "Fear the first impression, it is deceiving."
        This is the answer to your opponent M. Peter
        1. Algor73
          Algor73 17 December 2013 01: 47
          +1
          "... the favorite song of the" puppies ", misunderstandingly named the anthem of Ukraine" Isn't this an insult to the state symbol of Ukraine? What does the "third Reich" have to do with it? Would a Russian (if he is a patriot of his state) pass by without reacting to such a statement about the Russian anthem? After all, the anthem is the same for all citizens, whether they like it or not. On this site, which recently has more political articles than on military topics, everyone is free to express their opinion about this or that problem or news. But why cynically mock (put it mildly)? Isn't this the birth of mutual resentment (again, to put it mildly)? I'm not afraid of minuses, or minus shows that the oponet does not agree with the opinion of the author of the comment, but why offend? Or is it so, kindly, brotherly?
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 17 December 2013 03: 15
            0
            Quote: Algor73
            Or is it so, kindly, fraternally?

            And not maliciously and fraternally, and most importantly with bitterness that part of the Russian people became sectarians with their faith in Ukraine and Mova and separated from the main part, but how many lives of their ancestors paid (who were killed for wanting to remain Russian), the Westerners and their masters can rejoice - "a completely" new "people has been" born "and now they do not have to strain themselves to kill each other.
            If I ever risk my life, it’s not for the flag, coat of arms or anthem, but for the land and the people whom I consider my own.
    2. morpex
      morpex 17 December 2013 01: 20
      0
      Quote: Severomorsk
      But the fact of the matter is that the inhabitants of Western Ukraine did not consider the Red Army a liberator! They found out what this liberation is fraught with for them in 1939-41, when, having met the Soviet regime with flowers, they paid for it with hundreds of thousands of lives of fellow countrymen shot and unknown perished in Kolyma.

      Here is the answer. The DRACON was born by itself. But then no one could even imagine how painful it would be to hit later.
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  22. grog_bm
    grog_bm 16 December 2013 09: 53
    +9
    Hello, gentlemen !!!
    I myself was born in the Lutsk region of the Ukrainian SSR, the last time I visited the place of birth back in 1986, and so already then a movement was launched, the so-called "Rukh" which spoke about the heroes of the UPA ((((You cannot imagine how my grandfather spat in their direction ( participant of the Great Patriotic War 12 orders and medals - real) what happens in "NezalEzhnoy" he probably turns over in his grave, obviously he was not fighting for that.
    1. marmuzan
      marmuzan 16 December 2013 17: 44
      +3
      grog_bm

      The Lutsk region of the USSR never existed!
      There is and always has been the Volyn region.
      And "Rukh" in many ways repeated the Polish "Solidarity"
  23. IGS
    IGS 16 December 2013 10: 36
    +5
    What does it mean to down? Is that all? To get out again then? With these lice it is necessary differently, I understand that it is inhumane, I understand that it is not tolerant, but it is necessary, Styopa, it is necessary!
  24. Egoza
    16 December 2013 11: 16
    +6
    The authorities of the "Square" diligently fed and groomed the Banderaites. Some - because of their kinship with them, others - as the Party of Regions hoped that it was Tyagnibok who would become a contender in the second round of the presidential elections. And then they will not choose him, i.e. victory for Yanukovych and his team is assured. They forgot that a wolf grows out of a wolf cub, but it can pounce on its owner.
  25. Egoza
    16 December 2013 11: 19
    +7
    “On the same December days, exactly 95 years ago (this is necessary, as they guessed for the anniversary!), There was something similar in Kiev. The city was invaded by gangs, whose striking force were the“ nationally conscious ”Galicians.

    Then, in 1918, hetman Pavel Skoropadsky was at the head of Ukraine. Frivolous (not to be more precise), indecisive, surrounded himself with villains, repeatedly changed his political orientation, he irritated many. The attitude towards him was well expressed in a phrase pronounced with poorly restrained fury by one of the heroes of the film: "This is your hetman!"

    And, nevertheless, people were forced to support him. Forced, because what was torn to replace the hetman was much worse. Against the gangs, Skoropadsky put in the cold the units at his disposal, which consisted mainly of unfired, beardless boys. And behind them, under Western (then German) guarantees, he quietly agreed to transfer power. That is, vilely betrayed his last defenders.

    Having agreed with whom he should be and ensuring his own security, Skoropadsky escaped. Formally, a coalition consisting of politicians even more worthless than the hetman came to power under democratic slogans. In fact, the Galician Sich Riflemen controlled everything, spoiling the city to impossibility and setting up terror against political opponents.

    Well, then what happened was to happen. For Ukraine, it ended in a quick disaster. With a very large, unfortunately, the number of human victims. Residents of the country massively perished. From bullets, from epidemics, from hunger. Dying of nervous shocks. Ghibli, including those who in December 1918 joyfully welcomed the Galician "democrats-liberators." True, the majority of “democrats” politicians survived. Having completely robbed Ukraine, they unanimously rushed to the longed-for West, thus making personal European integration.

    They say that history repeats itself twice: once in the form of a tragedy, the other in the form of a farce. What happened in 1918 was certainly a tragedy. What is happening now, distant descendants, perhaps, will be called a farce. But for many of us living today, this can result in a real tragedy, no less than in 1918. Imagine the threat to society of, for example, Irina Farion's stay as Minister of Education. Or Oleg Tyagnybok as the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Have you presented? But this threat is quite real. It was guaranteed to us by the policy of this our g ... guarantor. "
  26. Egoza
    16 December 2013 11: 24
    +1
    How everything coincides in the above article by Alexander Karevin (Versions)! Only at that time there was still a working class, but now it is practically gone in Kiev. Factories don't work, layoffs have forced people to leave. Trade unions (like in Europe) - where are they? The ball is ruled by the "intelligentsia", young students are being framed again, and all this will really lead to a complete split of the country into small pieces! With what B.Khmelnitsky came, Ukraine will remain with that!
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 16 December 2013 11: 54
      +1
      Let me ask you, not curiosity, curious: what does Kiev city live with, and ... oh, it’s probably dirty there, oh DIRTY ... from foreign visitors ...
  27. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 December 2013 11: 25
    +3
    Party "Freedom" overcame the% barrier and entered parliament. And this is a completely different matter. Why is this frankly pro-fascist party supported by Ukrainians? Why the ruling elite of Ukraine pursues such a policy, that part of the people prefer "Freedom"? This is the main question for the official Ukrainian government. And if she does not solve this issue - to be in trouble.
    1. Val_y
      Val_y 16 December 2013 12: 20
      +8
      Not Ukrainians, but Zapadents, and this is a mixture of Hungarians, Magyars, Poles, Austrians, Moldavians, but not just Ukrainians, the fascists went EXCLUSIVELY in the western regions, so these are not Ukrainians, but banderlogs.
  28. Val_y
    Val_y 16 December 2013 12: 06
    +3
    I wonder what kind of bastard that article minus? negative
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 16 December 2013 18: 04
      +1
      Interestingly, it is, of course, and not only now, but the VO administration is against the fact that we would know our "heroes", so let's assume that these are Banderlog.
  29. MVV
    MVV 16 December 2013 12: 10
    +5
    To collect all the abomination to force A. Dyukov to read a book. For what the Soviet people fought, to summarize what they read later only to release.
    1. andrey-ivanov
      andrey-ivanov 16 December 2013 16: 04
      +1
      Read. Through this book you need to pass high school students. So that they know !!! When I remember and imagine all this myself - goosebumps and hair on my head begin to move.
    2. alex popov
      alex popov 16 December 2013 16: 07
      0
      I read "The Secret Front" at school. I remembered some moments for my whole life ...
  30. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 16 December 2013 12: 23
    +2
    And those who are now rebelling there are descendants of Poles, Polish Jews, etc., Ukrainians there are no more than 2% percent. And their whole task is to provoke ordinary Ukrainians to riot.

    No need to offend the Poles, the Jews ... the people are standing there, not nationalities, we will not be fascists, we will divide the people into nationalities. And there are deceived, foolish people standing there, I hope someday they will see clearly.
    1. General Frost
      General Frost 16 December 2013 14: 25
      +1
      They will certainly see the light, but when this happens it may be very late and as one character from Mowgli said, "only there will be no Bagheera, no Balu, no one, but only the old Kaa that nobody needs"
  31. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 16 December 2013 13: 23
    +4
    But it is interesting purely theoretically, we figured out with Russia, okay, but then how are the nationalists going to coexist with the pra-ativny, who will be supported by the EU, who care for the nationalists, they did their job, and then what? Will they leave the forest and go to the gay bars? There will be their own "glory to Ukraine!" Although the campaign gays are very fond of role-playing games, and something like "Insidious commissars captured a Ukrainian patriot, and decided to torture him ..." There will be "hit of the season."
  32. Umnichka
    Umnichka 16 December 2013 13: 36
    +6
    The author is right. Hot iron. Destroy. Finish off the beast. They will never become people.
  33. nnz226
    nnz226 16 December 2013 14: 55
    +6
    And they say that Stalin was a tyrant! Damn, a rotten liberal and a democrat was Comrade Stalin, because these shortcomings remained so, and were not shot cleanly after 1944. Look, and in the photo at the beginning of the article, the old sandboxes in the "khvorm" are dressed up! And they should have become good humus during the time after the war!
  34. alex popov
    alex popov 16 December 2013 16: 00
    +2
    My personal opinion: what "heroes" are, such are admirers. If, in the language of modern youth, the heroes are complete losers, then their fans are not far away. Mazepa, having betrayed Peter, could not help the new overlord in any way and "died in a ditch," Bandera, Melnik and other "heroes" who burned civilians alive and shot in the backs of the Red Army, also died without bringing much benefit to Hitler. If "this" is an object of admiration, then I am the brother of the Pope. (((
  35. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 16 December 2013 16: 11
    +3
    and how to live with these Bandera in one country? and in the west of Ukraine their overwhelming majority! almost every first Lviv citizen considers himself a Bandera, and the UPA as heroes. how did it happen that these reptiles weren’t shot during the USSR? I still can’t understand this dog.
  36. andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov 16 December 2013 16: 11
    +2
    The jackal will always remain a jackal. Even if you paint it pink, put on a leash with rhinestones and call it "Upupsik".
  37. Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 16 December 2013 16: 17
    +3
    Muslims can even be understood. but these scumbags ... how can you even understand a whole herd of traitors who are ready even today to surrender without a fight at the mercy of the lords from Europe?
  38. garlik
    garlik 16 December 2013 16: 39
    +2
    By the way, Pope Mikhalchishin, if anyone doesn’t know the famous chess grandmaster Lviv. So he plays for the Slovenian national team if I’m not mistaken. That’s how they teach their motherland to love. And this shitty son is an unusual Svobodov bastard with a twisted face
    1. garlik
      garlik 16 December 2013 18: 32
      +1
      This is what Mikhalchishin himself - set smile
  39. agbykov
    agbykov 16 December 2013 17: 54
    +2
    "Petliurites" on the Maidan 2013
    If the story repeats, then soon we will banish these Euro-Petliurists (see http://from-ua.com/voice/ef63601a2190b.html)
  40. rocketman
    rocketman 16 December 2013 17: 59
    +2
    Quote: Pit
    so, what am I talking about? Ukrainians, as such, are the same Russians, they will endure until they break through. But when it breaks through, so hold the seven, they will sweep away everything. This is our harrachter and we can’t get anywhere from him.

    I do not agree with you. As one respected comrade (colonel) said, when the Russians have already left, the townspeople will not yet begin to harness. So you can push them (that is, us) ad infinitum.
    Quote: Fitter65
    In the year 89 we drove by firewood, from the city of Amursk towards Elban,

    familiar places. Does Khurba say nothing?
    Quote: grog_bm
    I myself was born in the Lutsk region of the Ukrainian SSR, the last time I visited the place of birth back in 1986,

    it can be seen. The Lutsk region never existed - it was called and is called "Volyn" wink
    Quote: nnz226
    Damn, a rotten liberal and a democrat was Comrade Stalin, because these shortcomings remained so, and were not completely cleaned up after 1944.

    That not, he was smart. He thought that if you build schools, roads, factories, then the people will understand everything, and will build a new life. But the people are poh ... It’s necessary to crush him, and if you don’t crush, then masochists-Bandera are breeding .. That’s what Stalin’s mistake is.
    Quote: Sevastopolets
    how can one understand a whole herd of traitors who are ready even today to surrender without a fight at the mercy of the lords from Europe?

    but understand this. They are pseudo-patriots, people are limited and pathologically unfree, they need to lick someone, to humiliate themselves. They never worked - only SERVICE. They do not need a strong country, Ukraine. They need to go to Europe and wash the toilets there. and here it is, happiness! So to me on the train one such PATRIOT boasted that he had arranged daughters as maids in Poland. but what really is being done there with his daughters, he doesn’t care - pennies to send and good!
  41. nekromonger
    nekromonger 16 December 2013 18: 01
    +4
    not so long ago was in iv.frankovskoy area, was in different places and in almost every village I saw monuments to these kam from the upa, etc. a pleasant sight, it is a pity that those jackals that were missed in the photo. The monuments are pretty well-groomed, but it was surprising that not all the local population are thrilled with these nits.
  42. Altona
    Altona 16 December 2013 18: 58
    +3
    All the cries of "independence" were heard with the arrival of the Austrians and Germans as occupiers ... This has been since the First World War ... Therefore, in this regard, it is more logical to consider Ukraine as a Gauleiter, a general governorship, in general an annexed territory, but not independent state ... Moreover, there were no free elections on this territory, segregation and genocide were practiced (in relation to the Polish and Jewish population) ... The "state" of Ukraine in the German contours was a class and totalitarian state, whose inhabitants and residents had to work for the Eternal German Reich (apparently Reich still needs them) ... Here is approximately the "state" of Ukraine according to the German-Austrian patterns of the 1918 and 1941 models ...
    Now I will try to draw a portrait of the UPA and nationalist "fighters" for freedom ... If you look closely at the militants operating under the banners of al-Qaeda around the world for the "independent caliphate", then the similarity is more than striking ... They also look like native armies fighting in the CAR, Mali and Somalia ... The same bestial cruelty, greed, willingness to slaughter people like livestock ... In addition, their hands are abundantly greased with the fat of collaborationism, the blood of punitive operations in Belarus and Poland, and their pockets ring Judah 30 pieces of silver ...
  43. dropout
    dropout 16 December 2013 19: 07
    +8
    “In the evening on the Maidan I got goosebumps when I stood on the podium near the 77-year-old US Senator McCain and heard how America supports the fight of the protesters,” wrote Klitschko.
    Well, how do you like our "hero".
    1. Altona
      Altona 16 December 2013 19: 24
      +8
      A noble swimmer of Vietnamese swamps and a shooter of his own aircraft carrier, a gentleman of stupidity and a fan of playing poker online, a fighter for freedom from honor and conscience, Johnny McCain ... fellow laughing
    2. major071
      major071 16 December 2013 19: 31
      +8
      You are certainly a big plus, and Klitschko is a GREAT minus! fool
    3. figwam
      figwam 16 December 2013 20: 16
      +3
      A man has beaten people all his life, now he wants to be a politician! A logical career ladder.
      1. wax
        wax 16 December 2013 22: 30
        0
        Klitschko does not hide that boxing is a business for them. Also, politics is only business.
  44. Altona
    Altona 16 December 2013 19: 26
    +3
    Quote: dropout
    “In the evening on the Maidan I got goosebumps when I stood on the podium near the 77-year-old US Senator McCain and heard how America supports the fight of the protesters,” wrote Klitschko.

    --------------------------------
    As I understand it, a feeling comparable to the anticipation of a mega-bubble fight, in which 80% of the prize goes to the Klitschko brand ... angry
  45. uizik
    uizik 16 December 2013 20: 39
    +2
    Wait! On the Maidan, Senator McCain spoke in support of him, who burned people in Vietnam, bombed Hanoi. Now this "humanist" teaches the local natives-Papuans to live. It becomes clear who the revolutionaries are and what kind of electorate they have. Vyhodtsy of western Ukraine are descendants of Stepan Bandera and the SS fighter. Klitschko, Yatsenyuk, (there is no speech for Nazi Tyagnibok) traitors. It is they who sell Ukraine to the West, grovel in front of the Nazis, lick the dupa to everyone who is against Slavic unity. And this we have to endure? Down with all this clique, these pro-American "European integrators"! You will not get drastic measures from the authorities.
  46. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 December 2013 20: 48
    +1
    Based on all of the above, I can only say one thing, I am extremely dissatisfied with the work of the "bloody gebni", this is how much damn they left .... and that's not to mention the fact that the comrades missed not comrades Gorbachev and Yeltsin
  47. orek
    orek 16 December 2013 21: 29
    +6
    Quote: W-pott
    Sorry, but this is not an article, but a belching of a sick mind. "Puppeteers", the anthem of Ukraine - a misunderstanding, etc. .. This can not be called an article.

    P ............. c !!! The past mistakes of 1991 do not teach people anything. (In the past) The most powerful republic with space technologies is eating "amerovskie" cookies. The curtain.
    And by the way, instead of p, r would be more correct.
    1. Drlivsi
      Drlivsi 17 December 2013 01: 29
      +1
      As one student said in an interview (TRK "Crimea": "Ukraine should be without" s "and" ... "Reading the comments, one can say one thing:" You all go ... "There is no great Russia and Ukraine - there are LUMPENS, who pour g ... on the pages of the net. Brother, cool down - this is LUMPEN PROLETARIAT
  48. medwed1976
    medwed1976 16 December 2013 21: 42
    +3
    Quote: dropout
    “In the evening on the Maidan I got goosebumps when I stood on the podium near the 77-year-old US Senator McCain and heard how America supports the fight of the protesters,” wrote Klitschko.
    Well, how do you like our "hero".

    O) (to get angry, Klitschko’s campaign completely beat off his head.
    1. blizart
      blizart 17 December 2013 08: 04
      +1
      What really said that?
  49. Black
    Black 16 December 2013 22: 51
    +2
    In Russia, it is time to stop being tolerant of people like Klitschko. a homosexual "serdyuchka" under klutskhoy yelled at the stupid "goodbye rashka" _ how many times was he not allowed on Russian land? And to declare this lifelong non-handshake - he smeared his hand on McCain on tonsils !!!!
  50. kelevra
    kelevra 17 December 2013 00: 07
    +1
    There is also UNO UNSO. They also shout that the patriots are fighting for independence, but it’s not clear from whom. These are ordinary mercenaries, they were before, there are now, we must eradicate these gangs!