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Ministry of Defense is going to return to the "prescheryukovskoy" military education system

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After the actual collapse of the higher military education system, which was carried out during the sensational reform, called “Serdyukovskaya”, the state seems to have decided to turn in the opposite direction and again begin to build the military educational system in the previous version.


The head of the defense ministry, Sergei Shoigu, said that the branch system (namely, such a system was actively promoted by his predecessor at the ministerial post) does not allow solving strategically important tasks. According to Shoigu, the branch system reduces the efficiency of management in military universities for the simple reason that any important decision needs to be coordinated with the so-called head university. If the head institution of higher education is located in one and a half thousand kilometers (or even more) from a branch, then not only the time required for making a decision is increased, but also the amount of money spent on it. In other words, they wanted the best, it turned out again as always: they wanted to save money by optimizing the number of military schools, but in the end, no savings came out. Not only were there problems with savings, but there was also a real threat of the inability of the university leadership to respond promptly to the challenges of wartime. God forbid, of course, the arrival of such a time for Russia, but for that there are military universities and the Ministry of Defense itself, so that the possibility of such times for the country to keep in mind and be ready for security threats. The Minister of Defense also paid special attention to this.

It should be recalled that the main emphasis of the military education reform (for convenience, we will also call it “Serdyukovskaya”, although it is clear that not only Anatoly Serdyukov applied his bright head to it ...) came down to what was needed in the shortest possible time from the existing Russian military schools (and there were more than 6 dozens of them at the time of the beginning of the reform) to create so-called VUNCs (military educational and scientific centers). And such VUNTSEV needed to make exactly 10 pieces with all the ensuing consequences. The main consequence is a large-scale reduction of qualified military teachers, many of whom have scientific degrees, as well as the actual reduction to zero of the plan to recruit cadets for training in these same VUNCs. It was announced that the number of officers in our army, it turns out, is too much, and therefore they decided to wait with the recruitment of cadets for the newly-formed VUNC ... We’re saying that when officers are required, we’ll announce recruitment for a number of military specialties. save ... In which direction these funds were “saved” is a big question. As a question, and why, suddenly, in the Russian army, during the reform, young officers turned out to be unclaimed? Apparently, someone decided that the circle of Russia exclusively friends ... Well, this someone, maybe even friends ...

Already after the completion of the first stage of the “Serdyukov” reform of military education, it turned out that all these perturbations lead to the actual collapse of the system that has been forming for decades. Not to modernization, not to optimization, but to the collapse. Many military universities have lost excellent teachers, who simply could not leave their hometowns and move hundreds of kilometers to other localities to work in those same VUNCs. Yes, in these VUNTSakh, they were, to put it mildly, not all and far from always happy ... But the previous leadership of the Ministry of Defense (I want to believe that the leadership of the country as a whole) didn’t care about all these facts: they don’t want it as you want - a holy place empty does not happen, but because we take the other. But not everything was so simple. “Others” still needed to be found and attracted. Looking for a painfully long time, but in the end it turned out that in many military specialties of “other” qualified military teachers in our country today simply do not exist. Well, it’s good that at least they didn’t think of attracting foreign specialists to train Russian military personnel, and then, guided by the rest of the reform, it would not be surprising if the Defense Ministry “ordered” a couple of dozen military “consultants” from the Pentagon or the Bundeswehr ...

Now, Sergei Shoigu seems to be taken for the restoration of the system torn by his predecessor. The Minister of Defense makes a proposal to restore the classical system of military education in Russia, in which military schools, universities and academies should reappear. The recruitment to the military universities that remained afloat was restored (this year the enrollment amounted to more than 15 thousands of cadets).

In addition, most of these military universities will have to get their own historical names that have been taken away from them for some strange reason.

One of such military schools of Russia, deprived of their historical name, is the legendary Borisoglebsky Military School named after V.P. Chkalov. This year, this educational institution (well, or rather what was left of it) marks its 90 anniversary (the report was published 1 July 2013 of the year on the website "Military Review"). For decades, the school has produced military pilots and engineers. Graduates include Valery Chkalov, cosmonaut Oleg Novitsky, current Air Force Commander Viktor Bondarev, one of the first Heroes of the Soviet Union Nikolai Kamanin, test pilot Hero of Russia Sergei Bogdan, test pilot twice Hero of the Soviet Union Vladimir Kokkinaki and a whole galaxy of other famous pilots and warlords.

Today, the military university has been turned into a flight base, the state of which has only recently begun to improve. Prior to that, for almost a couple of decades, the school, deprived of both its historical name and the actual status of the military school, had declined and was a depressing sight. People who at one time graduated from this renowned military university declare that they had tears in their eyes from what they saw before them, coming to Borisoglebsk to participate in the celebration of the anniversary of the university (detailed material on the state of the former BVVAUL on the "Military Review" was published last November).

It was Borisoglebsky airbase that was recently visited by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, saying that the integration of the airbases held earlier does not meet the requirements of state security and is not able to respond to possible threats.
In this regard, the Minister noted that after the inspection, both the structure and the deployment of the Air Force will be changed. During his visit to Borisoglebsk, Shoigu met with the military personnel of the flight base, and also inspected the new Yak-130 aircraft that arrived at the base as part of the implementation of the state defense order. In addition, the Minister of Defense examined the transport An-140-100, which was produced by the Voronezh Aviation Construction Association.

Ministry of Defense is going to return to the "prescheryukovskoy" military education system


In this regard, the statement of the former Air Force Commander-in-Chief Pyotr Deinekin, who visited Borisoglebsk at the ceremony of transferring new military aircraft to a flight training base, is noteworthy. In particular, he said that he was glad that new equipment arrived at flight training centers, but noted that he was depressed by the acute shortage of flight personnel in all types aviation Russia (both in civil and military).

Unfortunately, as a result of previous reforms, we have sunk into a state where the arrival of new aviation technology is ahead of the training of flight personnel, ”says Peter Deinekin.
Indeed, “thanks to” the reform (if these words are generally appropriate here) there was a situation in which there is a technique, but there are not enough people capable of this technique (first of all, new models) at the proper level to manage. There are not enough professionals not only in the structure of the Air Force, but also in other types and types of troops.

In this regard, decisions to restore military education in an effective form are clearly overdue. Here you need to pay attention to the words of Vladimir Putin, which he said during his appeal to the Federal Assembly. The president said that university students should be given the opportunity to receive a military specialty during training and passing military training. This is a very interesting statement by the Supreme Commander, which, apparently, is pushing for the restoration of military departments in universities. If so, then it turns out that this is the departure of Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov from the “pre-school” reform, who criticized an excessively large number of universities with military departments for their inefficiency in 2008, and the number of military departments was reduced more than 3 times.

In general, I want to think that the new decisions of the authorities in terms of military education are thought out and supported by a reliable base. Because if this is not the case, then where are the guarantees that these undertakings through 3-5 will not be replayed for years? After all, the need for reforms is always presented here only as goodness, but only then, just like in football, either the implementation suffers, or the implementation goes, but only in its own gates ...
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  1. builder
    builder 16 December 2013 08: 33
    50
    Where to get the teachers who were dispersed? For the collapse of military education Serdyukov can and should be shot
    1. malikszh
      malikszh 16 December 2013 08: 41
      +5
      Hooray well done !!! anything typed the main thing is to restore!
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 16 December 2013 09: 04
        +7
        Quote: malikszh
        Hooray well done !!! anything typed the main thing is to restore!

        But just how much will all this pour out? According to the latest data (unofficial), the damage from the activities of Serdyukov + harem and the rest of Co. amounted to 3 trillion. rubles, how much recovery will come out I do not even guess. Universities closed up, teachers refused to move, where will they look for new ones? If you invite the old ones, it means that you will need to provide normal conditions for their activities. I just remember how you were in full swing when Madame Priezhaeva announced the transfer of the Smolensk air defense academy to St. Petersburg and the dismissal of teachers and other staff (as she said, for training sergeants of such a base as academician - it is redundant and unprofitable for the Moscow Region) ...
        1. Canep
          Canep 16 December 2013 11: 41
          13
          It is necessary not only military education but also general (from 1st grade to 5th year) to return to the old rails. But this is unfortunately outside the powers of Shoigu.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 16 December 2013 22: 00
            0
            There is a good system in Sweden, so it needs to be adopted and then we will not have problems with conscription.
        2. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 16 December 2013 22: 00
          0
          It’s not the grandmother’s business, that’s the people who were dispersed to other cities to collect and from work where they have already gone; it’s a problem and they need to make amends because it was a betrayal and not everyone forgives it.
    2. Interface
      Interface 16 December 2013 09: 16
      +3
      They don’t, where will they go? There can be no military ex, and if they add salaries, they will be happy at all.
      I will wholeheartedly hope that they can reanimate education over the years 2-3.
      And what? No other way! The libra will be restored in the near future, or they will not be restored in any way.
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 16 December 2013 11: 11
        +6
        In 2-3 years, education is not possible to restore
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 16 December 2013 14: 51
          +7
          It’s funny and bitter to read. And I want to ask the leadership of the state, but do you have a mind? How long will you mock people?
          At first, we have too large an army, we don't need officers, they close military schools and academies, stop admitting to the remaining ones for 3 years, eliminate military departments in civilian universities, “extra” officers are fired or transferred to sergeant positions.
          And then it dawned on us, and we have no pilots, no officers, no military teachers. Whom to put? Invite "instructors" from the US, the Bundeswehr? How to be?
          They decided to restore the old education system again. And where to get people? The old do not want, the new do not know how. Traditions are broken.
          Or it may be simple, before making any important decision according to the Russian proverb "measure seven times and cut once", and even more than one year to run in a trial version, not to put non-specialists in posts requiring special knowledge, to restore parliamentary control over the appointment of ministers and members of the Government, to really fight corruption.
          And simply put, to have a mind in all sovereign affairs, and not to do everything with a kondachka.
          1. Alexey K.
            Alexey K. 17 December 2013 11: 22
            +1
            And again, as in that joke: NO ONE IS GUILT IN ANYTHING :(
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      3. Airman
        Airman 16 December 2013 16: 54
        +1
        Quote: Interface
        They don’t, where will they go? There can be no military ex, and if they add salaries, they will be happy at all.
        I will wholeheartedly hope that they can reanimate education over the years 2-3.
        And what? No other way! The libra will be restored in the near future, or they will not be restored in any way.

        And if the schools were dispersed back in 1999, such as the LCER, the LCOW, then the teachers will not be returned. In the USSR, there were 4 military defense schools: Leningrad, Orenburg, Poltava, since 1969 Smolensk and the academy in Kiev. It remained Smolensk and the academy from Kiev was transferred to Smolensk, the rest were closed. You can’t bring the experts back, because they were not young lieutenants.
    3. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 16 December 2013 09: 16
      +2
      Good morning everyone! Reading this article, I involuntarily draw conclusions: one comes to destroy, the other - to recreate and reanimate. Shoigu, one of those who reanimates our army. I am one of those who did not serve, but am very worried about our army.

      Shoigu, keep it up!
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 16 December 2013 09: 54
        +3
        Serdyukov, Shoigu. It reminds a sketch of an evil and good cop. From the track record Shoigu S.K.
        - on the night of October 3–4, 1993, at the request of Yegor Gaidar, he allocated 1000 assault rifles with ammunition from his subordinate civil defense system;
        -In 2000, he headed the Unity party, which was later transformed into the United Russia party together with the Fatherland parties (Yuri Luzhkov) and All Russia (Mintimer Shaimiev). http://www.ladno.ru/person/shoigu/bio/
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    5. doctor.75
      doctor.75 16 December 2013 10: 10
      +2
      YES! From a machine gun. And on the box show a week instead of advertising. I apologize for being too emotional.
    6. olegff68
      olegff68 16 December 2013 20: 41
      +3
      What an illustrative photo in the article - a bunch of generals, chiefs, journalists and one pilot.
    7. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 16 December 2013 21: 58
      +1
      You are too humane with him, for such eccentrics for life to pearl barley in a black swan.
      1. Shur
        Shur 16 December 2013 23: 55
        0
        Yeah, to pearl barley to his black swans ... laughing
  2. Veter
    Veter 16 December 2013 08: 38
    +6
    As always, our optimization is equal to degradation
  3. 31231
    31231 16 December 2013 08: 41
    +2
    Let's look and hope that Kazugetich will listen to people on the ground, and not "Makarka" in the General Staff.
  4. Iraclius
    Iraclius 16 December 2013 08: 44
    +9
    Breaking - not building. It was once said that one cannot enter the same river twice. Let's see how they succeed with a military education. Personally, my opinion is that the surviving fragments are still destroyed Soviet military education. The remaining teaching officers who had gone through many local armed conflicts were fired. The system of scientific schools and the formation of scientific and pedagogical personnel has been destroyed for decades.
    If you now drive back the cadets into the empty barracks of the ruined schools and set aside the mountain of dough for the repair and purchase of new equipment, then this military unit will still not be what it once was. For this, it will be necessary to first recreate the USSR, but it is impossible to reverse history.
  5. samoletil18
    samoletil18 16 December 2013 08: 56
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    Since 2011 in Ekb. the Artillery Institute (formerly SVVPTAU) was destroyed. Dragged EVERYTHING
    even sockets. Of course, the walls remained, parks. But for almost 3 years, what happened to the teachers? They are not bags of potatoes. They can send when they call back. And on this occasion, an investigation would not interfere. And the instigators of reform, as in the DPRK, are merciless and confiscated. It, as an example, is a drop in the ocean from everything lost in the field of military education. Attack, the enemy, there will be no commanders with us, again mobilized troops? (!)
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 16 December 2013 09: 06
      0
      Quote: samoletil18
      Attack, the enemy, there will be no commanders with us, again mobilized troops? (!)

      Well, for 10 years this is not critical, but then - yes.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 16 December 2013 09: 10
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      Quote: samoletil18
      Since 2011 in Ekb. the Artillery Institute (formerly SVVPTAU) was destroyed

      EVAKU (then EAI) - part of my soul !! It was a pity when it was closed, although it had not worked there for a long time ... And all the travel teachers were already working normally! Last year they met at the funeral of the former head of the department. Sopromat and Applied Mechanics-V.F.Dremin. I can imagine what it is like to build a military school from scratch ... A very difficult task. And very expensive ...
      1. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 16 December 2013 09: 32
        +7
        we in Kazan also eliminated the Artelery School.
        1. 10kAzAk01
          10kAzAk01 16 December 2013 10: 22
          +7
          we in Kazan also eliminated the Artelery School.

          We in Rostov-n / D also closed the RAU and in Novocherkassk a communications school ... the most promising areas in military education were closed ... although it is clear why ... huge areas in city centers ... did not have time to sell stsuki .. .
      2. major071
        major071 16 December 2013 09: 52
        14
        And here is my native Chelyabinsk Higher Tank Command School named after the 50 anniversary of the Great October Revolution:
        1. major071
          major071 16 December 2013 11: 16
          +9
          And this is the barracks where I lived and studied 4 of the year:
          1. builder
            builder 16 December 2013 12: 00
            +8
            And here is my PVISU
      3. kind
        kind 16 December 2013 11: 46
        +5
        And all the travel teachers are already fine!

        I agree. Now, if schools need to be restored, the command will need to build other relations with teachers, and give them privileges that teachers of civilian universities do not have. Re-creating a school is a very serious matter. After all, a military teacher (as opposed to a civilian) is still an educator and psychologist.
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 16 December 2013 09: 06
    +5
    Once again I am convinced that everything new is well forgotten old. It’s a pity only the time spent on the invention of Serdyukov’s bicycle ...
    1. Fin
      Fin 16 December 2013 09: 53
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Once again I am convinced that everything new is well forgotten old. It’s a pity only the time spent on the invention of Serdyukov’s bicycle ...

      That's what I'm talking about. There is a better situation, the teachers remained. In technical universities it is necessary to / department. Many sensible can and continue to serve.
  7. pv1005
    pv1005 16 December 2013 09: 11
    +1
    With such reforms, it was not long before the situation when the teacher of the Higher School of Higher Education has the last military position as platoon commander.
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 16 December 2013 09: 12
    +4
    Yeah! Serdyukov nakosyachil a lot. But it seems to me that people who are in love with their profession - teachers of dispersed schools with pleasure will support and take part in their restoration. Throw only a cry!
    1. Iraclius
      Iraclius 16 December 2013 09: 37
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      Quote: Egoza
      those who are in love with their profession - teachers of overclocked schools will happily support and take part in their restoration. Throw only a cry!

      You know, everything has its limit. When you serve the Motherland for a meager wage and without your own housing, this means that we steadfastly endure the hardships and deprivations of military service.
      And if a young officer with a scientific degree is thrown out as unnecessary, and the only school in the USSR is dispersed in two (!!!) months, and the personnel, as if ashamed of something, are not even allowed to say goodbye to the Battle Banner, this is called betrayal. And I personally do not forgive betrayal.
      I could show photographs of destroyed educational buildings, hacked parquet, the confused eyes of cadets and teachers, the gloomy faces of commanders ... But what does that change?
      UVVTU (VI) - rest in peace.
    2. Airman
      Airman 16 December 2013 17: 28
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      Yeah! Serdyukov nakosyachil a lot. But it seems to me that people who are in love with their profession - teachers of dispersed schools with pleasure will support and take part in their restoration. Throw only a cry!

      Don’t give up a cry, don’t give up; you cannot return old teachers with vast experience. They had already been deceived and betrayed once.
  9. vlad0
    vlad0 16 December 2013 09: 30
    +5
    As in our country, everything is simple: one "broke", the other "restored", and this is all at the expense of the state. And so not only the Ministry of Defense, but in everything.
    Conclusion: in our leadership there are a lot of incompetent people who get there (nepotism, corruption, etc.) in ways. But why has no one, starting with Gorbachev, answered her for his anti-people deeds? Billions of damages, and the maximum punishment is removal from office.
  10. moremansf
    moremansf 16 December 2013 09: 36
    +6
    The most annoying thing is that for this collapse again no one will answer !!!!!
  11. yan
    yan 16 December 2013 09: 38
    +2
    The tendency is good, of course, it is necessary to return to "preserdyuk's" not only in the education system, but also in everything, however, for material support of the process, return the system of confiscation of property and reanimate the destroyed at the expense of the perpetrators
  12. IRBIS
    IRBIS 16 December 2013 09: 53
    13
    You can return the "pre-Serdyuk" education system, you can give the army a "new" look, you can ...
    But ... Who and how will return the spirit of selfless service to the Motherland, which "left" the Armed Forces with the departure of real officers, professionals who selflessly served even in the most difficult times. Who and how will restore the belief that an officer is a heroic profession and that a person who has dedicated his life to military service will not be abandoned and forgotten by no means?
    The results of the "high-profile" cases on the collapse of the army and taking away its property do not add optimism at all ...
    1. vlbelugin
      vlbelugin 16 December 2013 10: 08
      +7
      IRBIS
      I strongly agree with you. Speaking with officers, I increasingly find myself thinking that many people think only about money. I am not an altruist, but it is also NOT possible to be so mercantile. The officer, as a doctor and teacher, special professions. Selfless service to the Motherland is the basis of their professions. I am glad that our officers receive decent cash security. But one cannot rest everything only in money.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 16 December 2013 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: vlbelugin
        I am glad that our officers receive decent cash security. But one cannot rest everything only in money.

        Unfortunately, the main emphasis is on material wealth. Mercantile in every conversation: money, premiums, mortgages, etc. I also received a salary for the service and was not always happy with its size, but I didn’t measure my work with just money, which I simply loved.
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    3. maxvik
      maxvik 16 December 2013 11: 07
      +4
      I apologize, did you serve as an officer of the RF Armed Forces?
      Regarding selfless, only from my most difficult ministry:
      in 2000, the lieutenant received 2000p, before Putin’s promotion, in Moscow on the 1-2 of going to the store.
      teacher of the Higher School of Higher Education in Moscow in 2009 received 22-24t.r. with all the premiums.
      And this is not the saddest story.
      If something happens, God forbid, the officers, I am sure, will do everything that the country requires and disinterestedly. And keeping an army on a starvation diet amid a stupefying elite is not selfless service, but mockery. Nevertheless, the army did not scatter; Serdyukov tried to disperse it.
      1. vlad0
        vlad0 16 December 2013 16: 50
        +2
        I fully support it. For some reason, our Internet hamsters were unanimously silent when an officer received salaries for 1.5-2 weeks of economical existence. But now only the lazy will not fail to "kick" a servant for his income. An officer who has withstood the bullying by Yeltsin's liberals, who has gone through remote and hot spots, deserves to receive good money. And I feel a sense of pride for pilots from castle masks and above, receiving more than 120 tr.
        And who is envious - put on epaulettes and go !!!! Homeland will accept new fighters !!!
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      3. IRBIS
        IRBIS 16 December 2013 17: 58
        +2
        Quote: maxvik
        I apologize, did you serve as an officer of the RF Armed Forces?

        Not only the Russian Federation, but also the USSR. 2000 was already a lieutenant colonel.
        Quote: maxvik
        in 2000, the lieutenant received 2000p, before Putin’s promotion, in Moscow on the 1-2 of going to the store.

        In the period from 94 to 97, pay was given once every three to four months. How many trips to the store do you think?
        But even at that time we did everything to preserve what was already collapsed and reduced. They served on faith and military, almost bare, enthusiasm. And they fought in 95-96 not for money.
        A good salary is good, certainly good. Only now the priorities of the current generation of officers have shifted too much towards obtaining material wealth, and the professional level is very far even from the level of training of a good sergeant.
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  13. tank64rus
    tank64rus 16 December 2013 10: 05
    +7
    It's not all that simple. There were a lot of military universities in the USSR compared to, for example, the United States. This was the basis for the entire "reform" of military education and science Serdyukov and company. But there was one circumstance that they forgot to mention. The fact is that in the USSR, according to military doctrine, it did not deliver the first nuclear strike, and NATO, primarily the United States, knocked out up to 80% of our military potential with the first strike, which includes the system of training military personnel. Therefore, there were many military universities, 2-3 per branch or type of troops, and they were distributed throughout the USSR. Moreover, each university has created mobile resources to replace the destroyed ones. The overwhelming majority of academies were located in Moscow, the only city covered by a missile defense system. Such a system could not be destroyed. In addition, the remoteness of various theaters. The Americans knew this, therefore, when, before the destruction of military education and science, representatives of the Serdyukov Defense Ministry traveled to the United States, where they received "good advice", one could not be surprised at the precise planning and sequence of destroying this military structure. Why this issue has not interested the prosecutor's office so far is anyone's guess. It can be seen because "economy" here directly falls under the article of treason to the Motherland and it is impossible to "smear" the persons involved in the "case".
    1. vlbelugin
      vlbelugin 16 December 2013 10: 14
      +5
      tank64rus
      You do not forget that many military schools were located in border cities and republics. What was another mobile reserve in case of something. In Stavropol, we had two military schools. They could help cover the borders of the Stavropol Territory before the arrival and deployment of regular troops.
  14. Asgard
    Asgard 16 December 2013 10: 10
    +7
    Serdyukov Was put to ruin the Army and Navy (nothing more))
    Wait, our liberal rulers were snapped on the nose in Cyprus, in South Africa they were stuffed in the face, McCain voiced a "black mark" - they rushed to restore BZHRK, Bases in Tartus, Kamran, Military Science and the Soviet way of interaction between troops - instead of the American brigade ...
    The exercises began to hold feverishly suddenly ...
    True, "cutters" and several dozen aircraft with helicopters went to the troops of the technique, but this is also presented as "Putin's achievements" ...
    Although the normal per year should build one Missile Cruiser and several hundred fighter jets + for 13 years should have closed CONTINUOUS defense of the whole country ....
    And they did 3 Soviet projects Submarine Missile Carriers, but They Have No Arms)))
    They upgraded the Vikramaditya to the Hindus and locked the Civil vessel for 10 years at the docks)))))
    Headless leaders ..... AND SO IN ALL .... no-no-no sense with these will no longer .....
    1. kim. 230752
      kim. 230752 16 December 2013 11: 01
      +2
      Quote: Asgard
      Although the normal per year should build one Missile Cruiser and several hundred fighter jets + for 13 years should have closed CONTINUOUS defense of the whole country ....
      And they did 3 Soviet projects Submarine Missile Carriers, but They Have No Arms)))



      Senior officers are also to blame for such a rate of rearmament, because fearing resignations dutifully assent at meetings where defense issues are being resolved. Well, at best they are silent, which, in fact, is the same thing.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 16 December 2013 11: 19
        +4
        Everyone from the guarantor to the district commanders is to blame. The animal protector simply forgot that it was necessary to protect the country, and he was hit on the drum by people who carried their knowledge and experience. He personally signed under the Bologna system, the high command raised their hands in agreement. I had to meet my classmates and former teachers, a sad sight - all that we were proud of was left only in our memories, especially looking at those who brought their knowledge to us cadets ... All the knowledge that accumulated over almost 70 years was donated in an instant with one signature!
      2. not good
        not good 16 December 2013 12: 55
        +3
        Those senior officers who were not afraid and defended their innocence (honor) were dismissed by Serdyukov in the first ranks, and those who remained received the "secret heroes of Russia" ... what was left was left ...
    2. Shur
      Shur 17 December 2013 00: 07
      +1
      No, unfortunately, so far with his head .. He simply relies on a bunch of bastards, loafers and just careerists, opportunists. He does not want full-scale fundamental reforms when not all teachers and professionals, but every ballast will be thrown out. This is possible only with a complete gradual upgrade, and in most areas a complete replacement with new bodies based on new management principles, structure, performance evaluation criteria. He could run in with the Ministry of Internal Affairs ..
      All excuses about "loss of control, stability" and so on are nonsense. Even the same Zhirinovsky voiced - there must be a phased transfer of functions from the old structures to the newly formed ones .. He seems to understand .. New structures are, first of all, new personnel, but where to get them? And for 12 years at the helm was not the destiny to cook them? In general, there is a split of 1 face. This is not good. Yes, and excuses are not yet time, the enemy is awake, an external threat, unstable, just on the contrary, highlight the problems. I just want to add - THAT IS EXACTLY !!!
  15. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 16 December 2013 10: 17
    +2
    Quote: Asgard
    Although, according to normal per year, they should build one Missile Cruiser and several hundred fighter jets + in 13 years should have closed CONTINUOUS AIR COUNTRY ...

    Yes, now we do not have non-production capacities of non-specialists. Shopkeepers, lawyers and economists will not be able to do this.
  16. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 16 December 2013 10: 23
    +1
    I don’t know about the system as a whole, but a fellow double bass returned yesterday from under St. Petersburg, from "survival courses". They were told that they were the last, whom they tortured for 4 weeks.
    The next 6 weeks will be trained smile
    So apparently there is progress
  17. Berserker
    Berserker 16 December 2013 10: 26
    +5
    A little biography of Mr. Serdyukov:
    In 1984 he graduated from the Leningrad Institute of Soviet Trade. Then, in 1984-1985, he served in the Armed Forces of the USSR, later underwent training in officer courses and was fired by a reserve officer.

    From 1985 to 1991, he worked as deputy section manager, section manager of store No. 3 of Lenmebeltorg (Leningrad), and from 1991-1993, as deputy director for commercial work at Lenmebeltorg.

    Since 1993, he worked at Mebel-Market JSC St. Petersburg as Deputy General Director (1993), Marketing Director (1993-1995), General Director (1995-2000).

    In 2000, the second wife of Anatoly Serdyukov was Julia Pokhlebenina, daughter of Viktor Zubkov (at that time the former head of the Department of the Russian Federation for Taxes and Levies in St. Petersburg). In the same year, Serdyukov joined the civil service, alternately holding a number of senior government posts.
    .
    How could one put the Minister of Defense, the person who spent 1 year in the army? He’s a merchant.
    1. Svyatoslavovich
      Svyatoslavovich 16 December 2013 10: 51
      +5
      Apparently, at his appointment, it was necessary to bargain with the army, which actually happened)))
      1. Shur
        Shur 17 December 2013 00: 22
        0
        Landing for any one will help him, let him bargain there than he has to ..
  18. La-5
    La-5 16 December 2013 10: 29
    +1
    Yes, as they say break on build. It is good that Serdyukov was removed on time, while he completely ruined the army.
    1. smel
      smel 16 December 2013 10: 59
      +2
      It’s good that Serdyukov was removed on time
      He was removed too late. And it would be better in the womb of this villain ruined
  19. maxvik
    maxvik 16 December 2013 10: 55
    +1
    My grandmother used to say in such cases: "The law is not written for fools" and also "Parasites" !!!
  20. yigres
    yigres 16 December 2013 10: 57
    +7
    It should be understood that all Serdyukov reforms were carried out with the highest blessing of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Therefore, Mr. Serdyukov cannot be the "scapegoat".
  21. Orik
    Orik 16 December 2013 10: 57
    +8
    I am touched by the idea of ​​Serdyukov as the organizer of the collapse of the post-Soviet army system. He naturally made decisions about which specific schools, divisions, townships, institutes to destroy. BUT the strategic decision to carry out reforms in this form was made by PUTIN, he and only he makes such decisions in the country (don't talk about dimka, he's just a vegetable). Now something will be restored, but it takes 15-20 years to create a full-fledged higher educational institution, and the "eagles" know this. Money will again be spent and sawed, and the quality of the cadets will inevitably fall.
    1. Shur
      Shur 17 December 2013 00: 37
      +1
      Okay, he's a "vegetable". Then what is the GDP policy? Is its logic in the alternate surrender of the country's interests under the guise of personalities? Yes? It seems to me that it is not out of the kindness of the soul that VVP makes friends with this "vegetable" and it is not he who watered and grew that "vegetable". Yes, officially "Vladimir Putin, who became the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, invited him to work in Moscow." But now he was constantly rubbing himself in power .. and obviously not on his own .. What clans are behind him, that he arranged for everyone, and who is behind those. Judging by its movements and their consequences, there are ultimately real beneficiaries of our resources.
    2. Ilja 22
      Ilja 22 18 December 2013 05: 46
      +1
      That's exactly again spent and drank! And LADY is also an interesting "taxied", where, how did he end up in such positions ?? after all, not without someone's help
  22. RoTTor
    RoTTor 16 December 2013 10: 59
    +2
    It's too late to drink Borjomi. The personnel of VVUZ scattered, new ones will not go, having seen what happened and, probably, will still be under the next minister-temporary worker. the material and technical base of the schools has been plundered. The prestige of the best higher educational institutions of the USSR Armed Forces has been destroyed. To break is not to build. And today's youth are pragmatists, not romantics.
  23. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 16 December 2013 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: malikszh
    Hooray well done !!! anything typed the main thing is to restore!

    It was not necessary to restore, but there was no need to collapse !!! In the Union, obviously not fools lived if they had the most powerful army! Serduchka must be judged for treason, and the sanction for this article is the death penalty !!!
  24. Leader
    Leader 16 December 2013 11: 20
    +4
    Another air shock by a personnel appliance ...
    You can’t restore anything! And to rebuild the system - it will take decades.
    1. Fin
      Fin 16 December 2013 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Leader
      Another air shock by a personnel appliance ...
      You can’t restore anything! And to rebuild the system - it will take decades.

      Yeah, it remains to jump out of the window or do nothing. Everything is lost.
  25. Azzi
    Azzi 16 December 2013 13: 29
    +3
    Quote: 10kAzAk01
    we in Kazan also eliminated the Artelery School.

    We in Rostov-n / D also closed the RAU and in Novocherkassk a communications school ... the most promising areas in military education were closed ... although it is clear why ... huge areas in city centers ... did not have time to sell stsuki .. .

    Novocherkassk - my school was closed. It’s a pity the mat is unacceptable here, in simple words you can’t describe my emotions. Teachers, base, traditions - all down the drain. My father finished it, I finished it, it’s time for my son to go, but no, the well-known bl .. went through the reforms, like death with a scythe. One account remains. an institution in St. Petersburg for communications, I will never believe that it covers all the needs for signalmen, because signalmen go to all kinds of troops. I quit in 2000, everywhere was not a set of junior officers, moreover, was this a problem that resolved or did our army become at the level of Monaco and it doesn’t already have so many personnel?
  26. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 December 2013 13: 37
    +4
    Quote: ... where are the guarantees that even these initiatives through 3-5 years will not be subjected to replay?

    No army in the world is subjected to such executions like the Russian army. And the officers are the first to suffer in this situation. What Serdyukov "created" with the Armed Forces and with military science, in particular, cannot be called anything other than sabotage. Who was hindered by the famous academies and military schools? Destroyed universities are now a dismal sight, abandoned, falling into decay. There is no answer who is to blame, who will suffer the deserved punishment.
    The picture shows one of the checkpoint of the former VVA named after Yu.A. Gagarina (Monino)
  27. kori
    kori 16 December 2013 14: 04
    +1
    It would be nice if the curriculum also met the requirements .. While I was studying at the department I studied one thing, but at the training camp when I was, the equipment was already written off and disassembled .. As a result, the knowledge that I received at the "military" is already problematic
  28. soldier
    soldier 16 December 2013 15: 52
    +5
    he graduated and served in CHVVAKIU (Chelyabinsk Military Automobile Institute) for the fourth year in the state, many of those whom he talked to returned to their native school and reinstated it, including those who are already in civilian life, and it’s hard to look at the school the desolation in which it is now.
  29. edeligor
    edeligor 16 December 2013 17: 07
    +1
    One thing I don’t understand is that the article is not the exposure of Serdyukov. And to this day he is "like water off a duck's back," some kind of left-wing article of the Criminal Code for abuse of power, and even then it will fall under an amnesty. This guy needs to be in the "rooster" for life!
  30. konvalval
    konvalval 16 December 2013 18: 21
    +1
    In such cases, Comrade Stalin asked: "Ti ... k, or the enemy?" I am sure that in relation to Smerdyukov the answer is known and 37 years would have been inevitable for him. For everything that is now returning back to the army, he must answer. And then they built a road. Not a road, but some kind of lightning rod.
  31. Leshka
    Leshka 16 December 2013 18: 44
    0
    need to learn from old mistakes and not repeat them again
  32. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 16 December 2013 19: 19
    0
    We have a lot of generals and admirals. We just need a normal competent system administrator who would correctly and harmoniously revive this system. Many pensioners will gladly respond to prompt and advise (they are very offended by the lack of attention). Now what to bite your elbow. There is sensible old people who have nowhere to go to look for a better life, and young people who need to be taught. I know for sure that the real Minister of Defense must be a real VYAKA! Civilians, even the current one, will flog the jambs, as if they were trying to avoid it.
  33. albai
    albai 16 December 2013 21: 05
    +2
    One warms the soul, the Far Eastern Woku stayed afloat, I don’t know who to thank. And infantry is always needed.
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    No army in the world is subjected to such executions as the Russian army. And the officers are the first to suffer in this situation. What Serdyukov "created" with the Armed Forces and with military science, in particular, cannot be called anything other than sabotage.
    If my memory serves me the first such "reformer" was Khrushchev. And it was then that the bulk of the front-line officers were left out of work. And even now, officers who have passed through the crucible of battles in Afghanistan, in the hot spots of the USSR, in the Caucasus are needed in these newly restored schools. All such officers, both from the services and from the citizen, and the disabled, should be involved in teaching. You will not find such experience in books, charters and instructions !!! We must study military science, in a REAL way!
  34. voliador
    voliador 16 December 2013 21: 47
    0
    It was necessary to pocher everything, so that now to say that everything was done incorrectly, and it is necessary to return everything back?
  35. andr327
    andr327 16 December 2013 22: 28
    0
    The system of training officers is broken. Even Putin, in summing up the results for 2013 at the General Staff, said that by 2020 we will need 280 thousand officers. all current military schools can prepare only 20 thousand a year. 6x20 = 120. And this is the current reduced staff of the officer corps, and where to get another 160. What will be the load on the officer corps. What kind of conversation can there be under such a load about combat training and combat readiness?
    That is, this is not negligence, but sabotage, treason.
    PS By the way, about four years ago, in Odnoklassniki, Vkontakte, "people were looking for at least one colleague of Serdyukov. They did not find it! Maybe we still have someone who will at least confirm that he was wearing the military uniform of a conscript?"
    1. corn
      corn 17 December 2013 01: 12
      0
      andr327
      Quote
      "... by 2020 we will need 280 thousand officers. All current military schools can only train 20 thousand per year. 6x20 = 120. And this is the current reduced composition of the officer corps, and where to get another 160."

      It is strange to hear this from a person who graduated from a military school in 1978 and for a long time served in the Strategic Rocket Forces.
      Today: Army 1000000, officers-220000.
      When officers are dismissed, even with 20 years of service, 11000 will be dismissed per year. In 6 years, the officer corps will become 220000+ (20000-11000) * 6 = 274000.
      But at the age of twenty, the officer has the right to retire, and his age is 37 years.
    2. soldier
      soldier 19 December 2013 03: 22
      0
      do not forget that the first graduations of officers will be in 2018 from 2010 to 2013 there were no student recruitment !!!!!! - hence the shortage of junior officers
      1. corn
        corn 19 December 2013 10: 30
        0
        And you do not forget about officers in sergeant posts (I did not find reliable data in the open press). And in 2013. the set was already. And the failure is 3 years old, not five years old. Probably there really was an overproduction of officers.
  36. veteran48
    veteran48 16 December 2013 22: 29
    +5
    You don’t have to blame everything on Serdyukov. Everything is clear with him - a thief. One should ask the Supreme Commander-in-chief where he was all this time and how this could have happened. You can nod to his busyness and lack of awareness of what you can doubt. Why then an understudy of the government-presidential administration. Alas ... there are more questions than answers.
    1. Orang
      Orang 16 December 2013 23: 38
      0
      Quote: veteran48
      We must ask the Supreme Commander where he was all this time.


      Sybaritated. He is mainly busy with this. In vain have you set up so many residences?
    2. Shur
      Shur 17 December 2013 00: 17
      0
      Here, here is the whole organized crime group and all the episodes ... The company needs to start, and this is a shadow on the gutter .. interests ..
  37. andr327
    andr327 16 December 2013 22: 30
    +4
    Valorous strategic rocket launchers with Strategic Rocket Forces Day! Health and constant alert to them!
    Thanks to veterans of the Strategic Missile Forces!
  38. Prokrust
    Prokrust 16 December 2013 22: 38
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Yeah! Serdyukov nakosyachil a lot. But it seems to me that people who are in love with their profession - teachers of dispersed schools with pleasure will support and take part in their restoration. Throw only a cry!


    Yes, I would have returned (of course, if I had been invited), but only if I had punished those who did all this with a military education. Otherwise, we will again step on this "reformist" rake in 10-20-30-40 years.
  39. freedom2013
    freedom2013 16 December 2013 23: 35
    0
    And I think the return of historical names (and rightly so) is not a restoration of military education. For example, the Krasnodar VVAUL has branches, more precisely, training and aviation centers in the form of former aviation schools in Syzran, Armavir, etc. Well, they will return their historical names and then what? About Voronezh where they gathered together the VVA them. Gagarin, VVIA named after Zhukovsky, aviation schools of Tambov, Stavropol and Irkutsk. Those who were lured there from Monino by the carrot were not appointed to the positions that they were offered. And their posts were taken with hanging officers from the Voronezh school. Yes, I don’t know who and for how much the head of the Voronezh School bought, but on May 9, 2011, the Air Force Commander-in-Chief removed the Air Force Chief from the parade, who headed all the united parade boxes of the Air Force and put it on. These are his mother’s pies.
  40. corn
    corn 17 December 2013 00: 44
    0
    Auto RU.
    Quote.
    “Today the military university has been turned into an air base, the condition of which has only recently begun to improve. Before that, for almost a couple of decades, the school, deprived of both its historical name and the actual status of a military school, was falling into decay and was a depressing sight. "
    Questions.
    The school has been absent for a couple of decades?
    If I understood correctly, I also want to understand what is the relationship of this,
    two decades of a nonexistent school, with the restoration of the military education system at present?
  41. pvv113
    pvv113 17 December 2013 00: 46
    +7
    ONLY FOR THESE REFORMS QUARTER DECIDED am
  42. Evkur
    Evkur 17 December 2013 01: 04
    +3
    While reading comets, I counted More than 15 closed military schools and academies in the country and this is only here on the site! Horror What is happening!
  43. unsermann
    unsermann 17 December 2013 02: 16
    +2
    he is depressed by the acute shortage of flight personnel in all types of aviation in Russia (both in civil and military)

    Let’s start by at least revising VLEK standards so that the health requirements of the flight crew are adequate! Sorry, but in the same Europe with its highest level of flight safety (in civil aviation), the passage of VLEK takes several hours, and with us - 4 days !!! Pilots in Russia are afraid of our VLEK to hell! What do you want, if in Europe and the USA, norms, for example, in terms of vision allow points to +/- 7 !!! And we require eagle eyesight without glasses from the pilot !!! And this insanity in health also applies to the medical board of sailors, but what can I say, to pass the usual driver's medical board - a feat !!! am
    If it weren’t for these senile demands, I would probably be a pilot, not a sailor ... crying
    Further, you can organize retraining courses for the engineering staff, and also for sailors, navigators (navigators), making a reasonable age limit, for example, 40 years. And, again, REASONABLE requirements for VLEK ...
  44. propolsky
    propolsky 17 December 2013 23: 28
    0
    I can’t go to school, after the barbaric destruction of it by such chiefs and ministers, there are corps and barracks without windows and doors, like a monument of insanity on a universal scale! On stake!
  45. vladimir VR
    vladimir VR 18 December 2013 03: 11
    +1
    That's what Serdyukov needs to be judged for - for undermining the country's defense capability in the course of his reforms, and not for negligence, which amnesty for him in a week.
  46. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 18 December 2013 06: 14
    +1
    The restoration of VO and VK is a necessary matter, after Serdyukov and his female platoon, and not to enlarge, transfer, unite, but create, as it was before! Before that in Soviet times ... but this takes time and money, and the funds never reach "final destination" even in half the amount
  47. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 20 December 2013 19: 33
    0
    I would also like to recall who this “Commander-in-Chief” was during the period when the “reforms” were being carried out.
  48. pvv113
    pvv113 27 December 2013 23: 28
    +6
    And what was the school