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Ukraine after the Orange Revolution: Can the country complete the transformation of the army and join the fight against terrorism under the leadership of the United States?

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Ukraine after the Orange Revolution: Can the country complete the transformation of the army and join the fight against terrorism under the leadership of the United States?Ukraine: The US led war on terrorism?
In October, SSI (United States Institute for Strategic Studies) 2006, a research institution specializing in analyzing US geo-strategy and national security issues, publishes the work of British researcher Deborah Sanders, “Ukraine after the Orange Revolution: Can the Country Complete the Army Transformation and Join to fight terrorism under the leadership of the United States? "



Deborah Sanders, a senior lecturer in the Department of Defense Studies at the British Defense Academy, is considered an authoritative specialist who has been following the relations between Russia and Ukraine since the first day of independence. With 2001, Mr. Sanders pays special attention to the issue of reforming the Ministry of Defense and the special services of Ukraine, advises NATO on what specific defense cooperation programs can contribute to stabilizing Ukrainian-Russian relations. As the author of his doctoral thesis “The cooperation of Russia and Ukraine in the field of security in the post-Soviet era,” Sanders regularly visits Ukraine, receiving the necessary information first-hand. According to the author, Ukraine can participate in the global fight against terrorism in two ways.

First, as “an outpost of stability in the Eurasian region”, having “enough authority and confidence to carry out diplomatic and peacekeeping missions in frozen conflicts on the territory of the former USSR”.

“Ukraine can play a positive diplomatic and military role in the“ frozen conflicts ”, for example, in Transnistria, Abkhazia and Nagorno-Karabakh. We are talking about those conflicts where no longer force is used, and the conflict itself is completed, but its essence has not yet been resolved. If you do not deal with the resolution of such conflicts, the said territories may turn into incapable states and, accordingly, as a refuge for global terrorists. A democratic Ukraine with an effective and reformed army and intelligence service will be able to carry out important diplomatic and military missions in such conflicts on the territory of the former Soviet Union. ”

Secondly, Ukraine can be useful in a number of other situations, but for this it needs to develop its peacekeeping forces.

“Ukraine is a long-standing and active participant in peacekeeping operations. Its troops took part in missions in Eastern Slovenia, Macedonia, Angola, Abkhazia, Guatemala, Tajikistan and Lebanon. Ukraine has played an important role in peacekeeping operations conducted under the auspices of NATO in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo. Ukraine sent a chemical and biological defense unit to Kuwait during the first phase of the occupation of Iraq, and Ukrainian transport aviation provided air cargo and peacekeepers to Afghanistan. ”

The author sees in Ukraine a reliable ally of the United States in the fight against terrorism, but for this, Ukrainians will need a complete review and reform of their defense sector. According to Sanders, "Ukraine has already made significant progress in improving the professionalism of the army, establishing a democratic system of leadership in the defense sphere." But at the same time, “in the matter of reforming the special services, the progress of the country is much more modest”. According to Sanders, “the reform of the Ukrainian security service is a long overdue question.” The path is unequivocal - a revision of the principles of the work of the special services, the democratization of their activities, the arrival of new persons in leadership positions.

Somewhat skeptical, Dr. Sanders assesses the state of the Ukrainian peacekeeping forces, who are not yet ready for serious trials and independent work:

“Ukraine has made significant progress in building effective and professional peacekeeping forces. Nevertheless, today it is clear that Ukrainian peacekeepers do not receive sufficient practical training and do not have experience in conducting strategic or more complex peacekeeping missions. A detailed study of the activities of Ukrainian peacekeepers in Iraq suggests that these forces still lack experience and knowledge for something more than the simple performance of elementary (rather than complex or strategic) tasks facing peacekeepers. And the changed nature of modern military conflicts requires members of the international community to have contingents capable of simultaneously performing the entire spectrum of peacekeeping tasks, from restoring peace to maintaining it. ”

In other words, the defense sphere of Ukraine needs reforms, but, the author stresses, the success of the reform "depends on how Ukraine will be able to maintain good relations with its neighbors, and not least with Russia." And this, in her opinion, is extremely important:

“The implementation of Ukraine’s foreign policy goals and objectives related to the Euro-Atlantic integration process should facilitate the reform of the defense sector, but the process itself may ultimately worsen relations with Russia. Normalization of relations with Russia will allow Ukraine to get rid of the communist legacy, both political and military, and to realize its belonging to Europe in order to proceed with defense sector reform with this understanding. Normalization of relations with the largest and most powerful neighbor will allow you to forget about anxiety about Russia's unwillingness to find a common language with an independent Ukraine. Moreover, having good relations with Russia will allow Kiev to concentrate all its attention on the transformation of the defense sector and the establishment of closer cooperation with NATO. Nevertheless, it should be remembered that the membership of Ukraine in NATO can destroy relations between these two countries. And the deterioration of relations with neighbors will inevitably and negatively affect the process of reforming the defense sector and Ukraine’s ability to participate in the war on terrorism. ”

The work of Dr. Sanders ends with a short list of recommendations to the US government for further work with Ukraine. In fact, an expert on Ukrainian-Russian relations gives two main tips, which, unfortunately, still remain unrealized (and, possibly, unvalued) in full:

- The government and the US Department of Defense should recognize and accept the unique nature of the process of reforming the defense sector of Ukraine, the complex interrelationships of external and internal factors. Based on this, the country needs to offer only those programs that contribute to the development of democracy and the defense sphere, and at the same time contribute to the establishment of good-neighborly relations with Russia.

- The United States and the entire international community should recognize the presence of unavoidable contradictions observed in Ukraine’s attempts to consolidate democracy. It is necessary to understand the current situation - a democratically stable Ukraine, capable of becoming a bulwark of stability in the region, will be much less willing to send peacekeeping contingents to participate in non-traditional peacekeeping operations, even under the auspices of the UN.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 14 December 2013 13: 03 New
    16
    Again, the enemies of the world community are trying to drag Ukraine into their dirty games !!! But is it necessary for Ukraine itself ??? It already has some problems !!!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 December 2013 19: 08 New
      15
      Quote: ...
      Sanders advises NATO on specific defense cooperation programs that could help stabilize Ukrainian-Russian relations.


      Seems to me she advises how to contribute to the destabilization of Ukrainian-Russian relations
      1. Civil
        Civil 14 December 2013 23: 44 New
        +2
        McCain arrived in Ukraine, an excellent company for Klitschko (so far with the capital) and the rest of the Maidan. You can’t imagine a better gift, inveterate anti-Soviet adviser, sick on the head%:? * .. p. It's a good news.
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 15 December 2013 00: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: Civil
          McCain arrived in Ukraine, an excellent company for Klitschko (so far with the capital) and the rest of the Maidan. You can’t imagine a better gift, inveterate anti-Soviet adviser, sick on the head%:? * .. p. It's a good news.

          More such assholes need on the Maidan. McCain is crazy. Ssaaka. Klitschko. and there are still a lot of patients on his head.
          The presentation will be. If Ukraine goes after this deb ... mi they will definitely get a lot of things
          1. avg
            avg 15 December 2013 18: 31 New
            +3
            McCain arrived in Ukraine, an excellent company for Klitschko (with the capital so far) and the rest of the Maidan.

            You look at how Klitschko is sitting in front of McCain. As a first grader in front of a beloved teacher.
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 15 December 2013 21: 11 New
              +4
              hi
              The plane crashed.
              A Russian Masha, a German aristocrat Gretel and a Ukrainian guy Alexander are selected on a desert island.
              Some time has passed, no one is in a hurry to save them. Masha and Sasha, by virtue of the same mentality, healed as husband and wife.
              Live, soul to soul.
              And then one day, Sasha says:
              - Masha, I'm going to Gretel.
              “I mean, is she so good in bed?”
              - No, like a log. Not washable. Moreover, about the rights of women and gays, I was buzzing all my ears, so sometimes I will sleep with you ...
              - So, cooks well?
              - Not. She really doesn’t know how to cook, she has a box of canned food, so she eats canned food from her box, but she doesn’t give me, so I’ll go to you to eat ...
              - ??? !!!
              “You see, Gretel is an aristocrat.” She has a lot of money in Europe. She promised me that when they save us, she will take me to her life. I really want to go to Europe ...
              - I don’t understand ... And why should I feed you and x ... you suck?
              “Well, you and I are not strangers ...”
            2. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 15 December 2013 21: 20 New
              +1
              hi
              The symbolic image of the Ukrainian opposition ...
            3. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2013 06: 08 New
              +2
              Klitschko has already sunk below the baseboard ...
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 14 December 2013 19: 22 New
      +6
      “Ukraine is a long-standing and active participant in peacekeeping operations.
      SMERSH did not interrupt everyone ... obviously ... they helped in the Caucasus .. now the seizure of power is underway! In general, men are getting ready! There she is main provocation it’s us revenge for Syria and the independence of Russian foreign policy! Putin is enough to remain silent .. (now it will not work .. already ..)
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 December 2013 20: 05 New
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        “Ukraine is a long-standing and active participant in peacekeeping operations.
        SMERSH did not interrupt everyone .. obviously ..
        Have you thumped something? Look at how many Heroes of Ukrainians. The defense of Odessa, Sevastopol, happened in China? Pepsi-Cola is your name, not Mihan.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 14 December 2013 20: 24 New
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          Quote: grafrozow
          Have you thumped something? Look at how many Heroes of Ukrainians. The defense of Odessa, Sevastopol, happened in China? Pepsi-Cola is your name, not Mihan.

          You perfectly understood who I was .. I don’t have to juggle Bandera’s head up (or are you one of them)?
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 14 December 2013 23: 52 New
          +2
          For the defense of Odessa and Sevastopol, Nikolaev and Melitopol, what would you know, during the Second World War you were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union with the award of the Order of Lenin, and you can look for heroes of Ukrainians everywhere !!! Only none of them considered themselves a citizen of Ukraine. The question is, are you Ukrainians in Yekaterinoslav, Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk, and other cities themselves? Or have you been brought as obedient sheep? Or have you founded these cities? You grafrozow a little history to teach the clay plague.
          And do not write erroneously grafrozoff
    3. Interface
      Interface 14 December 2013 19: 31 New
      +2
      Ukraine doesn’t need it, Ukrainian chocolatier from Roshen (omnomnom lol ) and the oligarchs, like Poroshenko and C, this is necessary ....
      But there are still other oligarchs ...
    4. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 14 December 2013 19: 42 New
      +9
      Quote: AVV
      Again, the enemies of the world community are trying to drag Ukraine into their dirty games !!! But is it necessary for Ukraine itself ??? It already has some problems !!!

      Why does the West need Ukraine?
      Territories, resources and cannon fodder.


      Ukraine after the Orange Revolution: Can the country complete the transformation of the army and join the fight against terrorism under the leadership of the United States?


      Read:
      cannon fodder.

      Nothing has changed for decades:

      Pentagon cannon fodder in south vietnam.
    5. Russ69
      Russ69 14 December 2013 21: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: AVV
      Again, the enemies of the world community are trying to drag Ukraine into their dirty games !!! But is it necessary for Ukraine itself ??? It already has some problems !!!

      The "civilized" world does not have enough cheaper soldiers for their adventures.
    6. Far East
      Far East 15 December 2013 06: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      Again, the enemies of the world community are trying to drag Ukraine into their dirty games !!! But is it necessary for Ukraine itself ??? It already has some problems !!!

      YES who is pulling her in! they themselves do not mind! would be against the people themselves would rise! and sit out, and where the arrow will point then all the "herd" and trample! I'm tired of reading and watching about Ukraine. I have the same relatives there, and served there! and what to do now? this is their choice! let go and forget. and no one gave anyone! hi
    7. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 15 December 2013 07: 07 New
      +4
      Americans are the very first terrorists everywhere to poke their nose and dirty hands .... And God forbid, Ukraine itself will figure out where to be and with whom to be friends.

      SLAVES of all countries UNITE !!!
    8. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2013 06: 07 New
      +1
      with such a puppeteer, Ukraine will fight with itself until it wins ...
  2. baytygan
    baytygan 14 December 2013 18: 53 New
    +3
    share the skin of a bear ...
  3. cerko
    cerko 14 December 2013 18: 57 New
    10
    The Ukrainian army is almost ruined (reformed), but the special services are lagging behind, so what is it to understand?
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 14 December 2013 20: 05 New
      23
      Quote: cerko
      The Ukrainian army is almost ruined (reformed), but the special services are lagging behind, so what is it to understand?



      From now on, the US Ambassador will hand over shoulder straps to the officers of the SBU of Ukraine. A new tradition was born in Kiev: the presentation by the American ambassador of diplomas and shoulder straps to graduates of the SBU Academy. Previously, this was possible only in the Latin American "banana" republics, but now it has become a reality in Ukraine.
      1. avt
        avt 14 December 2013 20: 24 New
        +8
        Quote: SHILO
        From now on, the US Ambassador will hand over shoulder straps to officers of the SBU of Ukraine. A new tradition was born in Kiev: the presentation by the American ambassador of diplomas and shoulder straps to graduates of the SBU Academy.

        What !? True !? Not a photo toad!? If true - ah .... b!
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 14 December 2013 20: 32 New
          +8
          Quote: avt
          What !? True !? Not a photo toad!? If true - ah .... b!


          You did not hear this sadness? belay Read nude then - have fun on health! wassat


          http://trenc.com.ua/Neyrosoc/Article.asp?code=20080702065631041543
          1. smile
            smile 14 December 2013 22: 22 New
            10
            SHILO
            Oh yooooooo ..... so autonomous so self-styled .... the selection of undercover personnel among graduates .... wow .... and these people still mumble something. that they are independent, self-sufficient and took place as a state ... yes, Ukrainian colleagues will not take offense at me ... but this is simply unprecedented.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 15 December 2013 03: 31 New
              +2
              Quote: smile
              Oh yooooooo ..... so self-serving so self-serving ....

              smile, you really didn’t know about such a shameful fact, or just artfully simulated amazement?
              What can you write, TAKOVA Ukrainian reality ...
              1. chehywed
                chehywed 15 December 2013 03: 39 New
                +2
                The ambassador's hands are empty. And the cadet does not have "loot" in his hands? Here you are! Selling Western Democracy! The cadet pays the ambassador for something !!!laughing
              2. smile
                smile 15 December 2013 17: 31 New
                +2
                Corsair
                Go to the bathhouse :))))) ... I didn’t imitate anything - I really didn’t know ... To admit, I even thought, like avt, that Shilo laughed evilly ... it would be better if it was a photo-toad ... there are no limits .. .perfection ... :)))
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 15 December 2013 17: 49 New
                  +2
                  Quote: smile
                  Go to the bathhouse :))))) ... I didn’t imitate anything - I really didn’t know ...

                  Come on, be offended, I didn’t write that you are simulating an orgasm lol .
                  By the way, in the photo next to the US ambassador presenting officer epaulets, SBU chief at Pupyrchaty- Valentin Nalyvaichenko ...
                  These are the pies.
                  1. avg
                    avg 15 December 2013 19: 50 New
                    +1
                    Come on, be offended, I didn’t write that you are simulating an orgasm

                    You know, there’s far more than one smili, to put it mildly ... I even followed the link and read the article twice, but still I can’t understand how to get to such cynicism. Well, you can’t do that, even for fat. request
                    1. smile
                      smile 15 December 2013 21: 32 New
                      +1
                      avg
                      Monsieur ..... what smile do you think?
                      You can talk softer ..... by this you will not let me tear you for real ..... but even given the extenuating circumstances ... it is unlikely that you will like it ..... but I would not want to ... laziness. ...
                  2. smile
                    smile 15 December 2013 21: 42 New
                    +1
                    Corsair
                    A colleague ..... think about it, can I be offended? .... anyone else?: .... :))))) I just joked .... and I liked your picture, and the words. ... And anyway, how did you not notice my humor? :)))) I will speak in your address words are not good .... :))))))
                  3. smile
                    smile 15 December 2013 22: 30 New
                    +1
                    Corsair
                    When I start to take offense at such .... I’ll shoot myself, it makes no sense to live so touchy, without a sense of humor ,,,,, :))))
                    Thanks for the humor ... and Ukrainians feel sorry
                    1. SHILO
                      SHILO 15 December 2013 23: 29 New
                      +1
                      Quote: smile
                      Thanks for the humor ... and Ukrainians feel sorry


                      Not sleeping smile
                      1. smile
                        smile 15 December 2013 23: 34 New
                        +1
                        SHILO
                        I have it now 22:32
                        What, it's time to lyulu? :)))) In principle, I agree .... now I’ll take care of this, tomorrow at the service ....
                      2. SHILO
                        SHILO 15 December 2013 23: 40 New
                        +1
                        It's a pity! I wanted to fit a couple of motivators. For example.
                      3. smile
                        smile 16 December 2013 00: 19 New
                        +1
                        SHILO
                        I admanul .... tried to lie down ... it doesn’t work .... :)))) I like pictures with animals ... and my cat, Kurt, loves :))) .... everything is trying to ass smack ..... but one day I talked quite closely with penguins at the Klaipeda Maritime Museum (the watchman turned out to be a mother’s ward when she was working in the Children's Police Room) ... since then, for me, pings are the best animals ... you you can’t imagine how interesting they are .... to the touch like a warmed velor .... curious - passion - they climb into their pockets like professional pickpockets ... finding a coin they swear for a long time among themselves, they share who will get :))) Some of mine acquaintances accused me of the fact that I, like any normal maniac, is sentimental ... I don’t know if they are right ... but I love animals until self-forgetfulness .... :)))))

                        Therefore, come here beautiful and interesting pictures .... :)))
                      4. SHILO
                        SHILO 16 December 2013 00: 23 New
                        +1
                        Now I’m organizing a gift with a penguin (I can’t sleep too).
                      5. SHILO
                        SHILO 16 December 2013 00: 30 New
                        +1
                        Curious. Right!
                      6. SHILO
                        SHILO 16 December 2013 00: 34 New
                        +3
                        Today I found such a photo of a cheetah - I almost pissed it, damn it all. Evaluate - the demo bungled with him.
                      7. smile
                        smile 16 December 2013 01: 29 New
                        +1
                        SHILO
                        A FIGE .... If the picture is not corrected - it's just a miracle! My cat makes such a pug when I once again go on a business trip ... :))))
                    2. smile
                      smile 16 December 2013 00: 40 New
                      +1
                      SHILO
                      Thank you.
                      But there were fewer such people in Klaipeda, somewhere a dozen .... there were mostly others on the shoulder .... those who respect smaller ones, do not scandal them .... and the big ones don’t offend the little ones for some reason ... :)))) and so, you go to them - as if you get into a kindergarten .... :)))) The same crap, everyone has their own affairs, someone swears, someone does not want to wear pants .... :))))
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  • AlexW
    AlexW 15 December 2013 19: 51 New
    +2
    selection of undercover personnel among graduates. what kind of graduates are there? .... entrants ... recruitment only with the approval of the CIA .... Ukraine has long been a colony and the last "bangs" of Yanukovych very much angered the "Boss"
    1. smile
      smile 16 December 2013 00: 33 New
      0
      AlexW
      Yeah ... read it sadly .... epermet, once, when I was a student, I went to Kiev by train from Klaipeda for 6.75 (as a student) .... for a couple of days ... take a walk ... well, I stopped by to his grandfather’s brother in Fastov .... and nationalists rarely met only in subway crossings near Khreshchatyk ...
  • rpek32
    rpek32 14 December 2013 22: 10 New
    +2
    to gasp. yeah
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 15 December 2013 11: 43 New
    -1
    It’s just frankness and purity of relations - Andropov (Glen Miller) is known to everyone, but the Russian peasants were not told about the American leadership, and the system was the same from the age of 17 - whoever paid for the revolution will rule later.
  • ty60
    ty60 14 December 2013 20: 06 New
    +3
    here it is a solution! you can’t resist, lead the masses. The lessons of the Bolsheviks
    1. Oleg Kharkov
      Oleg Kharkov 14 December 2013 22: 22 New
      -2
      For Tsar Pank, remember the old song. When Yushchenko was handed over once, the entire SBU issue was lit. But there have been no relapses so far, if I am not mistaken.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 15 December 2013 14: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Oleg Kharkov
        SBU entire issue lit up


        Not lit up, but put on contentment. As an example for future releases.
      2. AlexW
        AlexW 15 December 2013 19: 54 New
        +1
        yeah ... and now why are there instructions from the State Department, why is Nuland giving out cookies to maydanutym? :)) ... What really "independent" country would allow itself to be humiliated like that ???
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 December 2013 19: 06 New
    +2
    It doesn’t matter how much and what is or will be, it is important to agree to fight terrorism under the leadership of the United States. They will start the United States, let's say let's fight terrorism in Russia, the Little Russians will go in the forefront, or let’s put missiles there, or some radars.
    1. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 19: 50 New
      +1
      ) Ti vovochka helping soldiers? -so! -I scho stink toby said-gut.gut.voldemar.)))))
  • alone
    alone 14 December 2013 19: 07 New
    +7
    The choice is for Ukraine and for its citizens. No outside advice will help them. They themselves know what they need. As they wish, they will do so.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 14 December 2013 21: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: lonely
      The choice is for Ukraine and for its citizens. No outside advice will help them. They themselves know what they need. As they wish, they will do so.

      And I, too, for Ukraine, with its people and with people's dreams, has finally entered its EU ... The only thing that pisses me off is that in any case (no matter how it turns out) we will be guilty, not you are LONE, and we are. Because "who else"? Ukrainians will hate us even more because it's more convenient. Seriously, our power is so-so, and theirs is even worse, but even their power understands that the matter is bad. Strange, but all the same, two-thirds of the population of Ukraine does not understand this. They are carried out on some candy wrappers, with wrappers ... And you are here: "They themselves know, they can do it themselves ..." For so many years of free floating, what did they do to gain the reputation of a completely independent and independent country?
    2. Prishtina
      Prishtina 15 December 2013 19: 10 New
      +5
      yeah know .. know hi
  • mountain
    mountain 14 December 2013 19: 22 New
    +5
    Well, no words, some mats, well, everywhere they put their pinocchio nose. But it seems to me that if we help Mexico and the local Indians, then we do not even have to intervene. And in hairdressing salons, not wigs, but scalps will be sold, for any style.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 December 2013 22: 18 New
      0
      I have long wanted to look after myself sombrero
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 14 December 2013 19: 23 New
    +5
    “Ukraine can play a positive diplomatic and military role in the“ frozen conflicts ”, for example, in Transnistria, Abkhazia and Nagorno-Karabakh

    oh how! and here we argue, Europe or Russia, which is better for Ukraine. repeat homegrown political scientists. recourse
  • Arkan
    Arkan 14 December 2013 19: 26 New
    +4
    "Firstly, as an" outpost of stability in the Eurasian region ", having" enough authority and trust to carry out diplomatic and peacekeeping missions in frozen conflicts in the territory of the former USSR. "

    Judging by the regular Maidan’s outpost, it’s clear that it’s also clear that such regular excesses do not add credibility. A territory in which there are many conflicts of their own, about which methods, not a word, are read into the peacekeepers. Residents of this mandated territory will become free cannon fodder in conflicts for the interests of others. Curzon's plan in action.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 December 2013 22: 20 New
      +1
      It seems that some are planning to Ukrainian guys plug various holes in the most romantic corners of the planet
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 15 December 2013 14: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Arkan
      "An outpost of stability in the Eurasian region"


      And so the territory of Ukraine is being looked after by the Poles:

      Ukraina - strategiczny partner Polski


      Możliwy rozpad Ukrainy na pięć części: 1. Galicja Wschodnia, 2. Część centralna - “Republika Kijowska”, 3. Ukraina Wschodnia (Małorosja, “Republika Doniecka”), 4. Krym, 5. Ruś Karpacka.

      Possible division of Ukraine into five parts: 1 Eastern Galicia, 2 Central part - "Republic of Kiev", 3 Eastern Ukraine (Little Russia, "Republic Donetskaya"), 4 Crimea, 5 Subcarpathian Rus.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 14 December 2013 19: 29 New
    +8
    I noticed for a long time: I almost do not understand the meaning of articles written by European authors. Well, at least cry! Maybe the translation is not conducive, maybe just - fool Somehow everything is sophisticated, elaborate in my opinion. Until you get from the beginning of the sentence to the end, you will break the remnants of the mind! 2 times re-read. It didn’t help ... I didn’t really understand what she advises the mattresses. So ... Something, a little - a little ... The last sentence did not cut at all. A! Well their nah. All the same, they don’t advise anything good for us ..
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 December 2013 19: 34 New
      +9
      Quote: retired
      2 times re-read. Did not help..


      wink You just do not follow the instructions. The first paragraph Before reading, take 100 grams. If it doesn’t help, then repeat paragraph one but already without a snack, it should help hi
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 14 December 2013 20: 02 New
        13
        Quote: Vadivak
        You just do not follow the instructions. The first paragraph Before reading, take 100 grams. If it doesn’t help, then repeat paragraph one but already without a snack, it should help

        Schazz. Will I still translate a valuable product to the reading of some fag am scribbles! As if there are no more pleasant reasons. We had a good drink here tonight in a warm company from a topvar. I really had to clink glasses with the monitor ... I took away all my wife's nychkas for this reason. Tomorrow is my birthday ... My wife says: "That's how good it is: we have cognac and vodka! And there is no need to buy!" repeat ... It will be necessary tomorrow to quietly replenish its reserves ... hi
        1. major071
          major071 14 December 2013 20: 21 New
          +8
          senior citizen Tomorrow is my birthday.

          What time to start congratulating? And then I got to work on Monday, but I’ll throw support! drinks Is it possible in advance?
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 14 December 2013 20: 53 New
            +4
            Can. drinks Just take half a measure ... If you can, of course ... I don't even try in such cases. It is useless ... Easier then to rummage through the "cherished places". repeat
            1. major071
              major071 14 December 2013 21: 19 New
              16
              Well then, I won’t put off - Yuri, I’m sorry, don’t know my patronymic, I congratulate you (I'm sorry for you, but we already drank almost for Brudershaft) happy birthday, 51 anniversary, exchanging half a century, I only wish one - even after 50 years from now your comments will always be present on this site. Health to you, the rest will follow! good
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 14 December 2013 21: 26 New
                +5
                Thanks Vladimir! hi drinks
                1. major071
                  major071 14 December 2013 21: 34 New
                  +7
                  But tomorrow, anyway, I will quietly quiver for your health! And why quietly - so as not to seduce others! hi
              2. Curculum
                Curculum 15 December 2013 00: 07 New
                +7
                I join !!!! drinks
                1. Cherdak
                  Cherdak 15 December 2013 16: 48 New
                  +1
                  And so every year!
        2. smile
          smile 14 December 2013 22: 37 New
          +5
          pensioner
          Happy jam, Yuri!
          Be healthy and strong (with your brains everything is all right, because I don’t want any mind :)))).
          Let your children and grandchildren regularly give you reasons for pride, and also let the small and middle-aged pensioners brag about you to your friends.
          And I also wish you to be as dexterous and inconspicuous as a ninja so that you can replenish your wife’s looted nestlings unnoticed by her - there is no need to upset a good woman. :))))
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 04 New
            +3
            Thanks guys! Touched!
            Quote: smile
            And I also wish you to be as dexterous and inconspicuous as a ninja

            Have to lose weight recourse .
            Quote: smile
            so that you can replenish the looted nest egg of a wife unnoticed by her

            Yeah ... Not the easiest operation ...
            Quote: smile
            good woman.
            I like it too! love
        3. chehywed
          chehywed 15 December 2013 01: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: retired
          We here tonight at night were good at warm company in the warm company.

          Yuri, happy birthday! Health, happiness, sales of dreams! drinks Ahem ... ahem. Don't you remember me, Comrade Marshal? I’m Vova ... From Murmansk ... With a halibut that ... By the morning you assigned me the lieutenant general ... laughing
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 15 December 2013 01: 16 New
            +3
            Oh, I almost forgot. Glade ...
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 29 New
              +2
              Serious compilation ... It's not a sin to hold on to such a thing ...
              1. chehywed
                chehywed 15 December 2013 01: 43 New
                +1
                Poke a hole? repeat
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 44 New
                  +2
                  Quote: chehywed
                  Poke a hole?

                  Don’t ... Have pity.
          2. pensioner
            pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: chehywed
            By the morning you assigned me the lieutenant general ...

            Well done Colonel General! Burdened the old man yes ! Special thanks for halibut! If you are a marshal - come visit! Let's drink some tea ...
            Goodnight! As I understand it, we have the Internet in submarines. And which provider?
            1. chehywed
              chehywed 15 December 2013 01: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: retired
              Well done Colonel General!

              Until the morning ... no way? laughing
              Quote: retired
              As I understand it, we have the Internet in submarines. And which provider?

              Yes, I'm on container ships. And the Internet on this line is only in Scotland, 3G.
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 48 New
                +3
                Quote: chehywed
                Until the morning ... no way?

                And you, young man, are you in a hurry? Not. Today we do not have time. For technical reasons ... Come on Monday / Tuesday.
              2. pensioner
                pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 51 New
                +4
                Quote: chehywed
                Yes, on container ships, I

                This is now called SO, so ...
                1. chehywed
                  chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 09 New
                  +4
                  No ... here. Only I can not see. I lay behind the pipe, with a camera and a notebook.
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 37 New
                    +3
                    Ek bent something like that! As I understand it, you on your Baton swam up not very well for this steamboat ...
                    1. chehywed
                      chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 59 New
                      +2
                      So there is no! I told you where I am. These were ballasts ... Well, I had to work with fasteners. repeat
                      1. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 04 New
                        +5
                        So Che Sineva is not a myth good drinks
                      2. pensioner
                        pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 17 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Forestman
                        So Che Sineva is not a myth

                        Certainly not a myth. His ballasts were swinging ... Yeah ... We swam, we know!
                        Quote: chehywed
                        I lay behind the pipe, with a camera and a notebook.

                        Periscope tube, camera-objective control, notepad - a magazine of military operations. And he lay down - it was extinguished from the cap. It all fits ...
                      3. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 19 New
                        +4
                        Well, maybe they fastened Clab-K so that it doesn’t wash away laughing
                      4. pensioner
                        pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 42 New
                        +3
                        In the process, it was washed away ... Diving is necessary, however ...
            2. jjj
              jjj 15 December 2013 04: 25 New
              +4
              The test launch of the rocket from the container-based installation showed that we still have to work with the rocking damper on the carrier ship
        4. pensioner
          pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 52 New
          +4
          You look there am ! Do not light your container ...
      2. Lesnik
        Lesnik 15 December 2013 01: 47 New
        +2
        I do not know for sure, but on the "Zaporozhets" probably there is if 20 years on the water launched laughing antennas probably installed laughing Damn I missed such a topic drinks Now I'll run to the refrigerator and back laughing
        1. Lesnik
          Lesnik 15 December 2013 01: 53 New
          +2
          I'm all ready drinks and then in the next topic on "Kursk" on the bones of guys all sorts of guys walked and I could not endure my mood spoiled the torment ... negative
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 59 New
            +1
            Well, I'm still mentally with you! drinks
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 15 December 2013 01: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Forestman
          Now I'll run to the refrigerator and back

          Eh ... And I drained everything yesterday ... Well, okay. Today I’ll make up. Good night Forester !!
          1. Lesnik
            Lesnik 15 December 2013 01: 59 New
            0
            And good night to you ... Sasha (sorry for being familiar) I hope you don’t go to sleep .... Ato's heart .... crap
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 07 New
              +2
              Come on ... Anything happens on the soul ... What now ...
              How is it in the forest? Partisans are not naughty?
              1. Lesnik
                Lesnik 15 December 2013 02: 09 New
                +2
                Damn really got it laughing everybody in Europe wants
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 17 New
                  +2
                  Why did you draw such a conclusion? They already have 2 Maidan’s talking there in Kiev: PROS and PROS! Fuck them understand: what they need. Here, in parallel, I listen to the transmission about Ukrainian oil products and fuel. It turns out they have up to 60% -80% of gasoline and diesel - import !! And refineries either stand or do not fully work. In general - a shame! What nah Europe to them !!
                2. Lesnik
                  Lesnik 15 December 2013 02: 21 New
                  +3
                  Why didn’t the whole center of Kiev get bogged down and pass without passing My favorite Christmas trees broke ... I’ll kick the fuck out! laughing
                3. pensioner
                  pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 30 New
                  +1
                  AND!! So you are there on the front line !! hi Well, what's going on there? Tell in details!
                4. Lesnik
                  Lesnik 15 December 2013 02: 37 New
                  +2
                  Yes nifiga not happening picture only on the TV is terrible laughing Galicians brought zarobitchans, winter they have nowhere to earn money and so booze and loot, overnight on the ball laughing So we came on a tour laughing on the ball and also paid laughing it's not a brick at a construction site in the north laughing entertain feed what would they not rest laughing
                5. pensioner
                  pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 46 New
                  +1
                  Hmmm ... Are they going to hang out there for a long time?
                6. Lesnik
                  Lesnik 15 December 2013 02: 48 New
                  +2
                  Before the Catholic Christmas then they will disappear laughing
                7. pensioner
                  pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 56 New
                  +2
                  All that's left is nothing ... Who will shovel only?
                8. Lesnik
                  Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 00 New
                  +3
                  As usual, ordinary communal workers laughing will be cursed but still removed and the Christmas tree will be dressed up
  • chehywed
    chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: retired
    Not. Today we do not have time. For technical reasons.

    Well, well then !!!
    Quote: retired
    Eh ... And I drained everything yesterday ..

    Oh, I see. crying
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: chehywed
      Oh, I see.

      Hmmm ... But let's not talk about sad things. What do you have loaded in containers? Mace or Sineva? I - nobody stop !!
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: retired
        But let's not talk about sad things.

        After what may be "If not a secret ess but?"?
        Of course the secret !!!
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: chehywed
          Of course the secret !!!

          Major General! You can trust the senior in the rank ... Well, what is there for life in Europe? Manages to go ashore? Tell me what ...
        2. chehywed
          chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          Major General!

          How !!! For what?!
          Quote: retired
          Well, what is there for life in Europe? Manages to go ashore? Tell me what ...

          You can't really escape from a container, but in Scotland we do. In general, you can write a lot about life in Europs, the night will not be enough. What exactly are you interested in?
        3. Lesnik
          Lesnik 15 December 2013 02: 30 New
          +3
          About booze and women laughing pliz can puberty return wink wow I'll turn around laughing
        4. chehywed
          chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Forestman
          About booze and women pliz maybe the puberty will return wow I turn around

          Women are terrible, expensive booze ... Well, how? Coming back? wink
        5. Lesnik
          Lesnik 15 December 2013 02: 39 New
          +3
          Well, what for with such an advertisement, it’s not only not coming back, but what’s left will go away laughing
        6. chehywed
          chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 55 New
          +3
          C'mon, alright ... I joked. Women are also expensive. laughing
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: chehywed
        Women are terrible, expensive booze ... Well, how? Coming back?

        Good you, Comrade Colonel ...
      3. chehywed
        chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: retired
        Good you, Comrade Colonel ...

        belay crying
      4. pensioner
        pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 51 New
        +1
        Neither Che nor Che ... But then there will be where to grow ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 50 New
    +1
    Yes, by the way ... Have you tried their booze? Share your impressions ...
  • chehywed
    chehywed 15 December 2013 03: 13 New
    +3
    Viskar respected., Which is blend. Single malt for connoisseurs.
    I don’t distinguish between cognacs. But there is 4599 euro per liter, in taxfree. Wine and beer are good everywhere.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 15 New
    +2
    Well, after the first liter and booze and women are all good laughing
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: chehywed
    I don’t distinguish between cognacs, but there are 4599 euros per liter

    belay fool Nuikhna with such cognacs!
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: chehywed
    What exactly are you interested in?

    Well, the general impression, so to speak. In total. How did people seem to you, what products, how life is arranged. And in general: communicate with them there or not. If you communicate, then what they say ...
  • chehywed
    chehywed 15 December 2013 02: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: retired
    Well, general impressions, so to speak

    People are people everywhere. Different. The Dutch are bastards. The Germans ... Cut me to pieces, but my opinion is that they respect us and generally treat us well. Norgis are gone. In general, they live and try to survive. A German cadet was sent to us ... 45 years old! For 300 euros a month, the "kid" did ANY job. According to the state program to combat unemployment. There are practically no blacks in Scotland, but a lot of Indians. Indeed, there are many Scotland flags. When I saw a bakery in Falkirk, which "has been standing here since 17", I envied it. What else?
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 54 New
    +1
    Booze, women - in expanded form, so to speak ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 02: 57 New
    +3
    with video and illustrations laughing
    I'm like a kid damn it laughing but cool laughing
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 02: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Forestman
    with video and illustrations

    Support! drinks
  • chehywed
    chehywed 15 December 2013 03: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: retired
    Booze, women - in expanded form, so to speak ..

    Quote: Forestman
    with video and illustrations

    This is not for me. This is probably here www.po..no.com. repeat
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 07 New
    +1
    minus. The topic of boobs is not expanded laughing
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: Forestman
    minus. The topic of boobs is not expanded

    Oh ... Barely erupted! And the day starts well!
    This is not for me.
    And to whom, still, Comrade Major ?? Just do not need me to sculpt a humpback about the treatment of sperm toxicosis with physical education ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 24 New
    +2
    damn my fuel is over recourse
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 27 New
    +4
    Strength Vanya! And who is easy right now ??
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 30 New
    0
    Yes there is a nest egg ... medical alcohol ... I fear ... laughing
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 35 New
    +3
    Fear of alcohol? belay
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 37 New
    +1
    Feminine fear more precisely laughing
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: Forestman
    Fear Fear

    This is more serious ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 47 New
    +1
    That is life sad
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 54 New
    +2
    Yeah ... Solid restrictions on all sides ... I’m also sitting in the kitchen, my wife drove out of the room. You see, I’m interfering with sleep ... So what, what did I neigh on the topic of unsatisfied tits? Trifles, after all ... And ... Life is full of persecution and expulsion ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 58 New
    +2
    similarly - kitchen, laptop, wife is sleeping laughing
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 03: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: retired
    And who is easy right now ??

    Me laughing I still have drinks Hi Yura! fellow
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 38 New
    +3
    Hi Ruslan! Mentally with you! drinks
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 03: 42 New
    +4
    This is where the good ends. requestI’m absent from the site because at the time of death, the wife’s grandmother, a FSB veteran, must turn 24 years old on December 95. Now I’m thinking about it here while I’m flying. I’m with you guys later soldier
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 45 New
    +3
    Hold on brother we are with you hi
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 03: 50 New
    +3
    Thank you! hi Break through soldier
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 50 New
    +3
    I'm sorry Ruslan ... Hold on.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 03: 54 New
    +2
    And so little before the anniversary .. but in any case I held my only great-great-grandson in my arms good Second should be born in January love But probably not fate ..
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    great-great-grandson

    Yeah ... At least organs help?
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 05 New
    +4
    Of course soldier Just not the same thing request You yourself understand, the last ones who knew the truth and life are leaving. I met his mother at the Soviet frontier border guard in Lithuania, his mother negative She gave birth to my father-in-law in besieged Leningrad. Well, then from Western Ukraine to Blagoveshchensk All my life with my husband in the Border Troops of the KGB of the USSR Like this ..
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 12 New
    +3
    You know, I was recently at the Lukyanovskoye military cemetery (I'm sorry, but you can't throw words out of the song) and I was so outraged that any bandits "kruteliks" are buried next to really worthy people ... ... would have torn it apart belay
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 16 New
    +4
    I don’t know if you can imagine Peter, but unfortunately we have different surnames request My family basically lies on Smolensky near the Cathedral of Xenia the Blessed. If it were possible, if it would happen, I would get a place there
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 04: 23 New
    +4
    Yes, we have the same thing! We have such a Shirokorechenskoe cemetery. It is considered military. So there in the central avenue bandyugs are buried. Near the memorial in memory of the Red Army soldiers who died in hospitals in Sverdlovsk. My grandfather is buried there. Chekist. 1918-1921 in the Cheka was. The beginning secret operations department ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 04: 16 New
    +4
    Yes ... That’s my uncle in 2009. 18g. They called up at 38. He began to fight in Finnish, was wounded, frostbite ... at 41 he was also a border guard and also in the Baltic. He graduated in China ... Whoever was not during the war, crazy. He collected all the meat grinders ... A unique man was ... But the stories were so stingy that they were very few that they managed to get out of it .. They leave, yes ... We will not have such a generation of people for a long time. Yes, and whether it will still be unknown ...
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: retired
    Yes, and whether it will still be unknown ...

    Here it’s for sure, the typhoon in your tongue and its analogue wassat
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 25 New
    +2
    You know, my father told me only curious cases, and only from memoirs and stories of his colleagues did I know the benefit had time to talk .... And you know it’s hard from the understanding that even such people can’t get rid of ... I chopped
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 27 New
    +5
    Didn’t try the rash? wassat And the advertisement says that wow!
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 37 New
    +1
    Not cool negative
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 43 New
    +4
    And I'm not kidding request Also, compared with the ancestors, crushed .. Remains on top of itself .. well, come up with that negative
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 46 New
    +3
    I agree ... and it's sad ... we are like a herd of sheep ... neither the will nor the pride (I am to myself)
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 04: 31 New
    +3
    And who was your father? If I may...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 33 New
    +3
    An officer and that’s it stop
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 35 New
    +4
    Worker of the Baltic Plant since 1957 Secretary of the party organization of the shop Member of the Party Committee
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 04: 42 New
    +3
    I have a mining engineer. Chief Engineer of Mine No. 4 Kizelugol. ENGINEER - with a capital letter. He knew everything and knew everything. He was tried 2 times for deaths. He justified himself. He died at work at the Engineering and Pedagogical Institute of the Institute at the age of 56 years in 1988. He was retired. I got a job as a laboratory assistant there. He rose to the junior research fellow.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: retired
    He rose to the junior research fellow.

    Yura! Here I am not ashamed for 2 years of the army and 6 years in the Ministry of Internal Affairs but what I did the rest of the time request the bolt knows him what Well, the family kept his daughter raised and taught until a couple of times until myocardial across the face With whom do we compare ourselves?
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 04: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Well, the family kept his daughter raised and taught until a couple of times until myocardial across the face With whom do we compare ourselves?

    Yes, the same garbage ...
  • chehywed
    chehywed 15 December 2013 05: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Well, a family kept a daughter raised and taught

    Quote: retired
    Yes, the same garbage

    Guys, is that not enough? Well, we didn’t get into the embrasures. So you have to rejoice. My uncle died of wounds in 1942, in Mozdok hospital, in 18 years. IPTAPovets. Am I worse? I don’t know, but I think if I had fastened, I would not have blundered. But honestly, I don’t want to check.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 05: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: chehywed
    But is this not enough?

    Yes, no, not a few. Many didn’t do it. And someone didn’t even intend
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 05: 08 New
    +2
    and I honestly would have checked myself ... got a lot ...
    but it's lyrics wink My regards hi I'm on the side
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 49 New
    +2
    You see in what difficult conditions our ancestors stood and did not break! stay only admire
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 51 New
    +4
    Yes, we didn’t seem to break either what I have a 46 year old grandson. Daughter with a diploma. Health is really worthless. Well, there are no global achievements. And so ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 04: 54 New
    +5
    Yeah ... Okay guys. You need to sleep a bit. And then the guests will soon begin to catch up ... Still, a day today! Thank you very much! Ruslan! Courage to you and your family ... And to you Vanya, patience and endurance ... As Ruslan correctly said: Let's break through!
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 57 New
    +4
    Listen CONGRATULATIONS and WISH EVERYTHING !!!!!!!!! drinks tomorrow is not today but in the evening I will drink for your health !!!!
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 05: 01 New
    +4
    Congratulations drinks And all you can do yourself good They will give the rest what Probably .. then .. if you want wassat drinks soldier
  • jjj
    jjj 15 December 2013 04: 31 New
    +1
    How is the team still standing in Astrakhanovka?
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 59 New
    +3
    What are you saying pips to the tongue negative
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  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 04: 07 New
    +3
    Yes ... I realized what stupidity said .... Ruslan can understand ...
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 December 2013 04: 10 New
    +4
    Yes, do not worry, men request everything is fine, just medicine is already powerless. The worst thing for her is that she understands everything but cannot die. This makes me want to climb the wall
  • chehywed
    chehywed 15 December 2013 03: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: retired
    Just do not need me to sculpt a humpback about the treatment of sperm toxicosis with physical education ...

    And there was no thought. Moreover, you are probably already familiar with this topic.
    Quote: retired
    And to whom, still, Comrade Major ??

    Good night. And then, with such arrangements, not for long and to receive a summons on the draft. belay
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 37 New
    +2
    Good night, Vova! Come on Monday ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 39 New
    +2
    I support ... it will be fun good
  • chehywed
    chehywed 15 December 2013 03: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: Forestman
    The topic of boobs is not expanded

    Then you are here: www.patalogoanatom.ru. smile
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 03: 25 New
    +2
    WELL YOU ..... and Radish laughing
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Forestman
    WELL YOU ..... and Radish

    Did you go there or something ????
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 01 New
    +2
    No, but now I'm going
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 December 2013 04: 09 New
    +1
    If you are going there: www.patalogoanatom.ru., Then prepare the bowl immediately. You never know what ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 15 December 2013 04: 19 New
    +2
    The page does not come off .. I'm actually not very disappointed
  • chehywed
    chehywed 15 December 2013 04: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: retired
    Come on Monday.

    Quote: Forestman
    I support ... it will be fun

    Quote: retired
    Did you go there or something ????

    Quote: Forestman
    No, but now I'm going

    Quote: retired
    If you are going there: www.patalogoanatom.ru., Then prepare the bowl immediately. You never know what

    Quote: Forestman
    The page does not come off ..

    What the hell "come on monday"! There is no one to call an ambulance! I am dying of laughter ... But it seems like adults!" laughing
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 20: 04 New
    +5
    Quote: retired
    I noticed for a long time: I almost do not understand the meaning of articles written by European authors.

    They are simply soulless and cynical .. Well, stupid .. Don’t worry, you are not the only one ..
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 14 December 2013 20: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Do not worry, you are not the only one ..

      Thanks Meehan ... I don’t know only: is it good or not very what .
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 14 December 2013 20: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: retired
        Thanks Meehan ... I don’t know only: is it good or not very

        Not at all .. It’s neither good nor bad .. They are just picking our brains .. We are gullible people .. alas! But if we get angry we can arrange a take of Washington, London, well, according to the list .. A mysterious Russian soul however .. bully That's how we live!
        1. Lesnik
          Lesnik 15 December 2013 02: 07 New
          0
          And I .... and me good .... take a take .... I also know how to ... something a little adversary does not seem laughing
      2. My address
        My address 14 December 2013 21: 20 New
        +4
        Yura!
        Hey. I read your correspondence last night with normal men. Already truly stomach jealousy.
        Not a fig! He has already stated that gastritis with bulbitis is fooling around and so that it goes to another room on the sofa. And I have Chivas Rigal dots (I wrote to you, mine were brought from duty-free) with Old Koenigsberg. According to Chivas - you can drink, but Konigsberg looks to me more. Maybe because the father took this prince berg? I’ll inflame with envy and for your day of jam. And for antiseptics it is useful. I’ll drop your congratulations in the mail soon.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 14 December 2013 21: 59 New
          +2
          Thank you, Sasha! hi And my uncle took part in the assault on Koenigsberg.
          1. smile
            smile 14 December 2013 22: 42 New
            +4
            pensioner
            Yeah, it means your uncle has conquered living space for me. :))) Thank you, if it weren’t for Konigsberg, I don’t even know where I would go from Lithuania! And so it is close to my parents and I live in Russia. :)))
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 15 December 2013 00: 57 New
              +3
              Well ... Another debtor accidentally drew! fellow
              Quote: smile
              Thank you, if it weren’t for Koenigsberg, I don’t even know where I would have flown from Lithuania!
              Thank you not get off. wink My uncle bequeathed me to spill all his debtors ... But seriously, at 45 he already served in SMERSH. Like the foreman was. He has a medal for Konigsberg. He told me very little, almost nothing ... I visited him in 2008, and in January 2009 he died. We sentenced Konigsberg cognac with him. He approved my choice: "Oh! And I was there!" ...
  • major071
    major071 14 December 2013 20: 12 New
    +9
    pensioner hi Yesterday they cut down the light, such as an accident, read it in the morning, apparently missed dofiga. drinks
    Well, now on the topic:
    Now they will be courting Ukraine from all sides - like a guy who wants to make friends with organisms and then quit. Everything and sweets and flowers and a whisper in the ear about the fact that she is the MOST - MOST! love
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 14 December 2013 20: 28 New
      +5
      Hi major!
      Quote: major071
      apparently missed dofiga.
      Yeah ... My wife suspected something in the morning. I sniffed from all angles ... I did not sleep ...
      On this topic. Today Azarov’s speech was shown at a rally against the association !! Not just like that, he podpodypalsya there. Still, the prime minister ... What will happen next - FIG knows. I’m no longer even trying to predict something. But Ukraine will have to go under someone. Then I read it: next year Ukraine will need from 12 to 18 billion green (excluding 2 billion that they owe to Gazprom ...). And there is nowhere to take, except on credit ... And the image in their eyes is not very good for the creditors ...
      1. major071
        major071 14 December 2013 20: 34 New
        10
        senior citizen Yeah ... My wife suspected something in the morning. I sniffed from all angles ... I did not sleep ...

        And I, as a du (r) ak with a candle near the monitor, all waited for sparkling to appear, naive pancake, then I spat and went to bed, they didn't burn me either, but the second "half measure" was taken away. wassat
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 14 December 2013 20: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: major071
          And I like do (r) ak with a candle near the monitor

          I imagined... good A strong sight ...
          1. major071
            major071 14 December 2013 21: 29 New
            +8
            senior citizen I introduced ... A strong sight ...

            I'll ask you not to come up with anything! The candle was ordinary, which shines! repeat
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 14 December 2013 22: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: major071
              The candle was ordinary, which shines!

              Also a worthy representative of the paraffin industry ...
          2. My address
            My address 14 December 2013 21: 30 New
            +1
            Already a little slap.
            Feel better.
            Yura! See the entry a bit above.

            Record:
            Record day, signature day, write out day. These are the sayings of the procurers. Those. when the materials are ordered, when they sign the application, when they write out from the warehouse. Of course, you didn’t think anything obscene. laughing
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 14 December 2013 22: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: My address
              Already a little slap.
              Feel better.
              Well, thank God! I have nothing today ... Mentally with youdrinks
              Quote: My address
              Record day, signature day, write out day.
              laughing
    2. Ustian
      Ustian 14 December 2013 20: 29 New
      +6
      (Everything and sweets and flowers and a whisper in the ear about the fact that she is the MOST - MOST!) Will be used.
      The beginning is 11 Dec .. [center]the nurse, her mother ...
  • Egoza
    14 December 2013 19: 46 New
    +8
    And here the heavy artillery basement !!!!

    On Sunday, December 15, two American senators will arrive in Kiev - Republican John McCain and Democrat Chris Murphy. This was reported by the speakers of both senators.
    "Senator McCain is traveling to Kiev to meet with government officials, opposition leaders and civil society leaders who are working to shape the future of their country," said Brian Rogers, a spokesman for Mr. McCain.
    McCain is considered the Republican voice on foreign policy issues. In 2008, he was a Republican candidate for the US presidency, losing to Barack Obama. And Democrat Murphy is chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on European Affairs.
    A group of Republican and Democratic senators have presented a draft resolution calling for a "peaceful and democratic solution" to the Ukraine crisis.
    "The Ukrainians took to the streets because they know that the government sold them for short-term cash aid from Russia, and they rightly worry about the long-term economic consequences for the Ukrainian economy," the senators who prepared the draft resolution on Ukraine said in a statement.
    If the Senate votes in favor of this document, the Obama administration and the US Congress will need to consider sanctions for those responsible for violence against peaceful demonstrators. In particular, we are talking about banning entry into the United States and freezing assets.
    http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/zavtra-v-kiev-priedut-dvoe-amerikanskih-se
    natorov-482799.html
    xxxxx
    And our peacekeepers will jump from pedestal to pedestal under the clicks of the US trap !!! am
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 14 December 2013 20: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      Republican John McCain

      everything, the pipe to Ukraine, everyone will get sick with a laugh
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 14 December 2013 20: 27 New
      +9
      Quote: Egoza
      On Sunday, December 15, two American senators will arrive in Kiev - Republican John McCain


      Go cookies will bring maydanutami. Voooooot such fellow !!!
      1. major071
        major071 14 December 2013 20: 37 New
        +7
        A great plus for you! laughing All in topic!
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 14 December 2013 20: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      two American senators will come to Kiev - Republican John McCain and Democrat Chris Murphy.

      ABOUT! The fighting 3,14 doras are pulling up ...
      1. major071
        major071 14 December 2013 21: 22 New
        10
        Or maybe he doesn’t show the size of cookies in the photo, but moves gay ads? laughing
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 14 December 2013 21: 36 New
          +7
          Quote: major071
          Or maybe he doesn’t show the size of cookies in the photo, but moves gay ads? laughing


          Eeee ..... what Take it easy. I understand a tolerant picture about a cookie, and you really already put me in a gay ad. fellow Not the same. Not the same. You’ll bring my friend to the ban. Although if you think about it ..... recourse
          1. major071
            major071 14 December 2013 21: 45 New
            +7
            Sir, I'm sorry if I offended laughing but for me it shows what jo (s) will be. I would like to comment on it: With our democracy and freedom, you will have these for (d) nitsa and welcome to the geyropu! You will be met there with your pants down.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 15 December 2013 04: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Egoza
              Senator McCain is traveling to Kiev to meet with government officials, opposition leaders and civil society leaders who are working to determine the future of their country, "said Brian Rogers, a spokesman for Mr. McCain.
              I can imagine with what inner pathos and fanfare this senator flies to sweet Ukraine. It’s a pity I can’t pester live on his appeal to the Ukrainian nation, otherwise I would be in the very front row (and preferably in the center) I would defiantly dispel the American in the Kiev wind flag (soaked in gasoline), and sweat would strike a small Russian match.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 14 December 2013 19: 52 New
    +6
    How did the frank enemies of the friendly relations between Russia and Ukraine learn to hide their true goals! The British have a "respectful" attitude towards Russian-Ukrainian friendship ... As the heroic horse from the famous cartoon used to say: don't tell my horseshoes!
    However, the author does not hide that the fight against terrorism of Ukraine should go led by the USA.
    America and Britain climb into all cracks like cockroaches.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 14 December 2013 20: 00 New
    +7
    Senior citizen with regalia. The most difficult places from theirs to Russian:

    it should be remembered that Ukraine’s membership in NATO can destroy the relationship between the two countries. And the deterioration of relations with neighbors will inevitably and negatively affect the process of reforming the defense sector and Ukraine’s ability to participate in the war on terrorism. ”

    It should be read as "we will not accept Ukraine in Nata for the next N-years, but we will translate into" standards "and use them in conflicts as" msyao "identity."

    and accept the unique nature of the process of reforming the defense sector of Ukraine, the complex relationship of external and internal factors. Based on this, the country needs to offer only those programs
    ... - in which blacks can’t, but White is sorry. For our money, your blood.

    The United States and the entire international community should recognize the existence of irreparable contradictions observed in Ukraine’s attempts to consolidate democracy.

    You should read "Ukraine has not grown to democracy yes-sho, because attempts are unavoidable."

    And the rest, a beautiful marquise ... ©
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 14 December 2013 20: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: GrBear
      The most difficult places from theirs to Russian:

      Low bow! hi hi hi
    2. IGS
      IGS 14 December 2013 21: 09 New
      +7
      Then another fragment please, otherwise it worries me a little:
      non-traditional peacekeeping operations
      belay
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 15 December 2013 03: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: IGS
        Then another fragment please, otherwise it worries me a little:
        non-traditional peacekeeping operations

        laughing laughing laughing
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 20: 00 New
    +8
    The troops need to be pulled up to the border .. And in Cuba, a military base can be restored faster .. (20 billion were written off) It's time to show the teeth to the Russian bear .. So we can wake up and the EU flag is developing on the Kremlin .. Serdyuk damn it to shoot .. and all on the list. .on hu .. butterflies to catch butterflies .. Boils my mind outraged ..! angry
    1. major071
      major071 14 December 2013 20: 43 New
      +9
      Meehan hi I agree in everything, I would also use a Whack-Whack with a checker, to whom I would chop off testicles in FIG. It’s just that the government will not understand us, you will say that you are not democratic and not liberal persons - you are nationalists and your house is a tourist. laughing
  • ty60
    ty60 14 December 2013 20: 13 New
    +4
    Our views coincide
  • Black
    Black 14 December 2013 20: 14 New
    +6
    [I] [i]Ukraine after the Orange Revolution: Can the country complete the transformation of the army and join the fight against terrorism under the leadership of the United States?[/ i] [/ i]

    the "revolution" is not over. and there was no revolution !!! what never began can not end!
    Orange provocation! no more. and didn’t come out of that. today those who truly tried to bring idiots to the fingernail are punished .... and they are put up for idiots ...
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 14 December 2013 20: 22 New
    +1
    Since 2001, Sanders has been paying particular attention to the topic of reforming the Ministry of Defense and special services of Ukraine, advising NATO on what specific defense cooperation programs can contribute to the stabilization of Ukrainian-Russian relations.
    That is, it means destabilization.
    And the fight against terrorism implies, first and foremost, the fight against the United States. as a sponsor and organizer of international terrorism
  • darksoul
    darksoul 14 December 2013 20: 22 New
    +3
    toughly the west began to scuff Ukraine, who just didn’t go there, after such a break they pounced on with new force, it’s not easy
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 14 December 2013 21: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: darksoul
      tough west began to scuff Ukraine


      re-educates and redraws?
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  • Stasi
    Stasi 14 December 2013 20: 35 New
    +7
    The Ukrainian army consists of the Ground Forces (Land Forces), Air Force, Navy, and Highly Mobile Airborne Forces (former Airborne Forces). The number of ground forces is less than 57 thousand people. It has three operational commands - "North", "South" and "West", each with an army corps. The greatest concentration of troops is in the "West" zone, which includes the capital. Fewer troops in the "North" zone - the border with Belarus and part of the border with Russia. There is very little in the "South" zone - this is the east and south of Ukraine, the main part of the border with Russia. There are no ground forces in Crimea at all. The 36th mechanized brigade of coastal forces that are part of the fleet is stationed there. The ground forces include 2 tank, 6 mechanized brigades, artillery, anti-aircraft units. There are 616 tanks, 2 light armored vehicles, 7oo artillery systems, 60 helicopters on the list. The airborne troops include airborne and airborne units, numbering 6 thousand people. The Air Force and Air Defense have about 40 thousand people. There are 140 aircraft on the list. Tanks T-64 about 2000 pieces. Most of all this equipment is incapable of combat, and it is also bad with the repair and maintenance of equipment. In the air defense, all S-200 air defense systems, all S-300PT1 and S-300V1 air defense systems have been removed from duty. A significant part of the newer S-300PS, almost all S-300V and up to 40% of the Buk-M1 air defense systems are in urgent need of modernization. It is also worth noting that all combat-ready parts of the country, as well as military schools and academies remaining after reductions, are located in the west. As a result, the army and officer corps are filled with natives of the western regions. All these data are taken from the newspaper "Argumenty Nedeli". Frankly speaking, there can be no question of any participation of Ukraine in the so-called "fight against terrorism", if only because of military weakness. And given the so-called situation with the Euromaidan, which once again emphasized the contradictions between the southeast and west of Ukraine, it’s time to talk about whether Ukraine as such will remain, because this state of affairs is no longer possible.
    1. 222222
      222222 14 December 2013 21: 21 New
      +2
      Stasi RU Today, 20:35
      yuyuyuyuyuyuyuyu
      http://odessa-life.od.ua/article/4276-sluhi-i-realnost-armeiskoi-reformy-akademi
      ya-i-gospital-uidut-vsled-za-shtabom
  • IGS
    IGS 14 December 2013 20: 58 New
    +2
    Something that reminds me of Russia in the early 90's. And about the special services and about the army. A good glimpse about the frozen conflicts ... they wanted to warm up, but with Ukraine’s pens ... All right, when you warm up, you will have to burn yourself in Russia, here’s the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia, here’s the bloodlet, and this is exceptional joy ... And most importantly, I understand that in twenty years, Ukrainians will come to their senses, but not now, but in the 90s we did not come to our senses. Ukraine is much smaller than Russia, Russia was only bitten, Ukraine will be torn ...
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 15 December 2013 00: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: IGS
      Something that reminds me of Russia in the early 90's. And about the special services and about the army. A good glimpse about the frozen conflicts ... they wanted to warm up, but with Ukraine’s pens ... All right, when you warm up, you will have to burn yourself in Russia, here’s the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia, here’s the bloodlet, and this is exceptional joy ... And most importantly, I understand that in twenty years, Ukrainians will come to their senses, but not now, but in the 90s we did not come to our senses. Ukraine is much smaller than Russia, Russia was only bitten, Ukraine will be torn ...


      Ukrainians have already been 22 years old. not come to their senses. roll on. in 20 years they will come to their senses. but it will be too late. if now they are disconnected. then in 20 years no one will let them come to their senses. everyone will come to their senses to themselves. not more
  • Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 14 December 2013 20: 59 New
    +1
    Not a fig Ukraine can no longer! All laughed, all hollowed out. Forget about this country. Her full alles! And even the states will not help her !!!!!!!!!!
  • 020205
    020205 14 December 2013 21: 06 New
    0
    Once again, hysteria about Ukraine unfolded, damn it, it’s ridiculous to read what everyone is indignant about, that the West has taken it again for nothing, well, he loves this West non-stop, and this love should not be disturbed, especially since this love is mutual. they climbed a fire in order to distract our attention from Syria, but this is what I think so ...
  • Ross
    Ross 14 December 2013 21: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: AVV
    Again, the enemies of the world community are trying to drag Ukraine into their dirty games !!! But is it necessary for Ukraine itself ??? It already has some problems !!!

    She just let it slip why the US has its integration with the EU! Masks are reset.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 14 December 2013 21: 27 New
    +3
    Americans need cannon fodder and Ukrainians are just right for this role.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 14 December 2013 22: 05 New
    +5
    Our journalists should more often throw their articles on their websites, such as: - "The historical question of the right of independence of Scotland", "Northern Ireland, the occupied territories and the people's right to independence", "Is California capable of self-development and independence?", "USA, a symbol of democracy or a world concentration camp "and so on.
    Many journalists are accustomed only to suck on internal problems, how to bite their country and the current government more painfully and effectively, and butting with the "legislators of democracy" or the gut is thin, or there is an opportunity to fall out of favor, or will lose grants, which, incidentally, does not apply equally only Ukraine.

    1. My address
      My address 14 December 2013 22: 28 New
      +2
      That's right, Vadim. hi
      And then ours only in response begin to flop. You have to play ahead of the curve. As it is written, I do not remember in which book: "Directly on the insolent hara of the aggressor and in advance, until he decided to attack!" I'm kidding, but only half. After all, the Naglo-Saxons (not my expression, but one of the local on the site) are constantly doing this and are not at all shy about even lying. There was a lot of foolishness in the Central Committee of the CPSU, but before the spotted Michael the propaganda department ate bread for good reason.
  • poquello
    poquello 14 December 2013 22: 12 New
    +3
    What is the author of cons cons? Interesting information, along the way, Ukraine is preparing a war with Russia, judging by the dreams of goals and objectives.
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 14 December 2013 23: 24 New
      +2
      Cons because you don’t need to push the idea that Ukraine should be with NATO, Ukraine should be with Russia!
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 December 2013 00: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Alex Danilov
        Cons because you don’t need to push the idea that Ukraine should be with NATO, Ukraine should be with Russia!

        Well, Ukraine simply should be that the European Union and the United States do not plan, at best, a strict collar to a booth to the Baltic states and countries of eastern Europe, but judging by the article in the place of the Georgians and the buildup against Russia before the armed conflict.
        The author of the translation does not push anything, he gave the information for a lot of thought, and thank him for that. I do not think that anyone reading this article here, the words of an American bad aunt made a convincing impression, but to know what the enemy says (and this aunt is exactly the enemy) is useful.
  • Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 14 December 2013 22: 59 New
    +2
    Well? Everything, as I said, the United States is trying to threaten us with our own hands, quarrel among ourselves and shoot ourselves alone with one another. Ukraine-take NATO, take the Black Sea Fleet, throw Russia out of there, build your military bases and put your own warships. People to use as cannon fodder against Russia. And the territory of Ukraine to be used as a bridgehead of military operations between the United States and Russia, or to deploy training camps for mercenaries, and people as cannon fodder. Surround Russia, furnish bases and finish off.
    Tell me, Russians, will you sleep for a long time and chew your snot? In Russia, immediately impose martial law and plow on the defense of Russia, simultaneously raising and developing the country economically and scientifically. In the Collective Security Treaty Organization, KSOR, reinforce borders, borders, armies. From the Afghan direction, also strengthen all armies, borders, borders. And trying smuggle drugs — right at the border and shoot so that not a single gram gets to us. the US has tried to destabilize everything around Russia — Afghanistan — the country of drug trafficking, Ukraine — if there will be no dreams — there will be a bridgehead, the territory of training camps for mercenaries with NATO bases, The Baltic is all in NATO. Re-equip, retrain, retool immediately and immediately, n
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 14 December 2013 23: 06 New
      +3
      build up the army of Russia, the CSTO, KSOR-also strengthen. Serbia-take in the CSTO and the Russian base there. In Belarus, right now make the Russian-Belarusian military base. Defend Syria, help rebuild-and also in the CSTO, Iran as well. And that’s all this is fixed on the camera, paper. so that the whole world sees usa parasha as she does.
      It is Russia that is able to collect and rebuild the USSR 2: 0 many times stronger than the old one. And then no one even dares to bark something at Russia. Russia-Ipreia Good-doctrine-purely defensive-no one else, but we won’t give up .Russia and its allies don’t fall for anyone, but they will kill anyone who attacks them. Those who attack Russia will be killed, those who attack Russia’s ally will be dead. Moreover, neither Russia nor its allies will attack either whom. Russia is good, peace, reliability. Give everything to Russia.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc3TYd5_xUY
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhdYqYX37Ok
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkz2Mr4cDQI
      1. alone
        alone 15 December 2013 00: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: Alex Danilov
        It is Russia that is able to collect and rebuild the USSR 2: 0 many times stronger than the old


        How and with whom? Can you name at least 10 strong states that, along with Russia, can create the USSR 2? Do you know that the Iranian ayatollahs called the USSR a big camp on a par with America? I want to warn you. They did not abandon this idea. Iran is with you just because the fate of Iran is being decided on BV, and nobody wants to transfer nuclear technology to you except you. as soon as these two issues are resolved, Iran will show the true face.
        collapsed Syria where the war has been going on for the third year, will strengthen the USSR 2 !! I don’t understand how. The same thing happens in Serbia. It’s already going to the EU and NATO. And maybe you mean the former republics of the union? you can really count on Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, which Russia will have to feed and equip.

        Is it really impossible to recognize the fact that weak states create a strong state Absurdity? Is this absurdity needed by Russia? Does the citizens of Russia themselves want this USSR 2? Any adequate person will say no. And there is no demand for it. They would just poplar trees every five minutes and scream cheers, rejoice for the fleet that took the tug into service !!! hi
        1. Alex Danilov
          Alex Danilov 15 December 2013 03: 28 New
          0
          You-! At what, complete. No Russian absurdity is needed. And the USSR needs 2-0 and it will be.
          Everything is very simple - Russia is now rearming, it will rise again, and everyone will just reach for it, but no, the United States will be erased. Serbia wants the CSTO and the CU, not NATO. Nobody is going to give Iran to Iran.
          You yourself are inadequate, moreover, stupid.
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 14 December 2013 23: 00 New
    +4
    The USA itself is the number one sponsor of terrorism in the world.
  • Ustian
    Ustian 14 December 2013 23: 35 New
    +3
    NOT IN THE TOPIC, HOWEVER ... info under a cigarette-joy Joy Ayad-Egyptian astrologer predicted something interesting (Russia will gain great influence in the world, more than America and China. Egypt will again become a leader among the Arab states. Egypt and Russia will create a lasting Union: Egypt’s neighbors are facing tough times, there will be a second revolution in Tunisia and a change of power in Libya.
    Even in our region there will be natural disasters. For example, it will snow in Egypt. There will be a flood in Saudi Arabia, most likely in Jeddah.
    In 2014, the world map will change - and this will also affect Russia. Russia also has to repel a major terrorist attack. This will be achieved thanks to its power structures and thanks to certain technologies that we do not know about, but which are actually the most advanced in the world.
    In general, a lot will change in the world soon. All important events that predetermined the beginning of a new era have already occurred in 2013 year. So far, many of these events are hidden from people, but later we will learn about them. And now we all need to wait for new times. They are already advancing.
    About the USA, she says that there will be severe floods and a couple of states will simply disappear, several states will seek independence and there will be earthquakes, a revolution and an “American spring”.
    Since the three quarters of the United States will go under water, the astrologer recommends that Egyptian citizens urgently leave the United States, then the economic collapse and America that we know will disappear
    it all starts at the end of 2013, and ends in 2014, Obama will be killed)
    Now I was looking into the box, the news said that a lot of snow fell in Egypt and Israel .... It becomes terribly interesting. I will observe the further development of the events described in the "folio". sad
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  • Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 14 December 2013 23: 43 New
    +1
    to join the fight against terrorism under the leadership of the United States?

    Are terrorists acting in Ukraine?
    It seems that Ukraine is best suited to help countries in which US-led terrorists operate - military aid to Syria, for example.
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 14 December 2013 23: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Are terrorists acting in Ukraine?

      In Crimea, Hizb ut-Tahrir is banned in thirty countries and recognized as a terrorist organization.
      In Western Ukraine - "Svoboda" and its "fighting chicken coop" - UNA-UNSO!

      Only the authorities and special services pretend that nothing is happening! But, these "roosters" will peck them!
  • their
    their 14 December 2013 23: 47 New
    10
    Eurointegration 1942 ...
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 15 December 2013 22: 15 New
      0
      Quote: sus
      Eurointegration 1942 ...

      Now Eurointegration has acquired a more perverse meaning.
      While you will be cleaning our streets, we will bring all our radioactive waste to your house (parliamentarians from England recently proposed this option).
      For the sake of your independence from an evil neighbor, we will bring you shale gas technology (and let it be impossible to live in this territory later, it will be later)
      To make your content cheaper, we will feed you delicious GMO products (why should you multiply, there are so many of you for us)
      And so on and so on, you won’t list everything .............. everything is like in ancient Rome - bread and circuses !!!
  • bagpipe
    bagpipe 14 December 2013 23: 53 New
    0
    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/41708340 - Маккейн уже в Украине
    but no - right?
    http://oleg-leusenko.livejournal.com/1084864.html#
  • bagpipe
    bagpipe 15 December 2013 00: 11 New
    -2
    Quote: VadimSt
    In Crimea - "Hizb ut-Tahrir", banned in thirty countries and recognized as a terrorist organization. In Western Ukraine - "Svoboda" and its "fighting chicken coop" - UNA-UNSO!

    you are nonsense, Savetsky man. Freedom and UNSO are two different things. Though sometimes open Wikipedia)
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 15 December 2013 13: 53 New
      0
      The difference between them is the same as between the soldiers of the SS divisions "Death's Head" and "Galicia" - distinctive signs, and the same similarity is neo-fascism and all its attributes.
  • poquello
    poquello 15 December 2013 00: 52 New
    +2
    "In October 2006, SSI (US Strategic Research Institute) - a research institution specializing in the analysis of US geostrategy and national security issues - publishes the work of British researcher Deborah Sanders ..."
    I apologize, Gentlemen, the aunt is not American, and did not pay attention to the date. ETOGES until 2008. released, although the saying is "only a hunchback will fix the grave"
  • pavlo007
    pavlo007 15 December 2013 01: 04 New
    +1
    Faithful – brave – obedient (the motto of the policemans from the time of the Second World War)
  • Alex 63
    Alex 63 15 December 2013 01: 39 New
    0
    Quote: sees Ukraine as a reliable ally of the United States in the fight against terrorism, but for this, Ukrainians will need a complete revision and reform of their defense sector. -This apparently means that it’s time to change the armament of Ukraine to NATO, because existing does not meet their standards? Well, apparently the West believes that Ukraine has nowhere else to spend money that it does not even have to pay for Russian gas. Or even give loans (at a good interest, of course) for the modernization of the army.
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 15 December 2013 05: 07 New
      0
      I’m wondering, dude, have you seen what I wrote a little higher? This is the whole reason.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 15 December 2013 01: 59 New
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    no men need to send Ukraine to the geysoyuz and to nature. These lads with their unpredictability will destroy these communities from the inside. organize Maidan in Brussels, etc.
    1. family tree
      family tree 15 December 2013 02: 18 New
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      Quote: Mercenary
      no men need to send Ukraine to the geysoyuz and to nature. These lads with their unpredictability will destroy these communities from the inside. organize Maidan in Brussels, etc.

      Nobody will take them there. They will say that they respect the choice of Ukraine, that the Ukrainian government is not good, because it doesn’t sign the paper, that Maskva is right because it presses on Ukraine, but they will find a thousand pretexts that they wouldn’t sign and continue boiling water in Ukraine with the subsequent release of boiling water towards Russia . They, there, uncontrollable, fuck do not need.
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    3. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 15 December 2013 03: 39 New
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      Why the hell should I give them a fleet? Stupid.
  • jjj
    jjj 15 December 2013 04: 38 New
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    It is said in plain text: they themselves will not be able to fight with Russia, but they will fit in the role of policemen
  • Cristall
    Cristall 15 December 2013 04: 49 New
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    Hmm ... for what I respect VO - the men normally discussed the topic of drinking women and other things in a topic that actually goes in a trend (not VO but straight "All about Ukraine" some website) Well done guys
    MMM, the guys from the oak fell in Kiev - I wonder why we have the capital there. The place is beautiful but painfully unhealthy, very ill.
    Would be moved to Kharkov for a while. maybe brightened somewhere.
    You wait there to do some kind of shura of hum at the border - I need to wait for my future wife (signed at the registry office near the Opera House) from Russia (poor because of the fucking 90-day registration, she is on her way to the border of the Russian Federation) and make her documents so as not to fool around. ..
    otherwise you'll make visas and that’s all ... I will only see it on Skype ...
    On the topic .. only the Kamatous one doesn’t sculpt articles about Ukraine ... the parable will soon hike .. Once every 10 years an event takes place in one city N ... tradition ..
  • 10kAzAk01
    10kAzAk01 15 December 2013 09: 23 New
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    ... and some kind of troubled me yesterday at one of the forums talking about her happiness !!! I got 80 bucks for hanging all day on Maidan ... they find money for rallies, but no teachers for salaries ...
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 15 December 2013 11: 22 New
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    Of course he can, in exchange for the supply of cookies.
  • 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 15 December 2013 11: 51 New
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    Quote: SHILO
    http://trenc.com.ua/Neyrosoc/Article.asp?code=20080702065631041543

    that one with THAT I AM IN AHU ,,,, E !!!!
  • Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 15 December 2013 14: 03 New
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    The whole problem is probably that there is no country like Ukraine at all. No, of course it is on paper. But there is no history, no self-awareness of an independent separate state. In general, not the backbone on which the country rests. There are brotherly people, there is a rich culture of this people. There are no fraternal people (zapadentsy), but with no less rich culture.
    The split of Ukraine can be prevented by its joining to something or to someone. And if this accession is towards the West, I believe that Crimea will need to be taken back by any means available. The history of this peninsula is connected with Russia by the exploits of its wars since the time of Ivan the Terrible and the wars with the Crimean Khans in those days, there was no mention of such a state as Ukraine. When Khrushchev annexed Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954, much was said about the fact that we are brothers forever and to whom Crimea will legally belong does not matter. Here is what came of it.
  • Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 15 December 2013 15: 27 New
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    The work of Dr. Sanders ends with a short list of recommendations to the US government for further work with Ukraine. In fact, an expert on Ukrainian-Russian relations gives two main tips, which, unfortunately, still remain unrealized (and, possibly, unvalued) in full:

    - The government and the US Department of Defense should recognize and accept the unique nature of the process of reforming the defense sector of Ukraine, the complex interrelationships of external and internal factors. Based on this, the country needs to offer only those programs that contribute to the development of democracy and the defense sphere, and at the same time contribute to the establishment of good-neighborly relations with Russia.

    - The United States and the entire international community should recognize the presence of unavoidable contradictions observed in Ukraine’s attempts to consolidate democracy. It is necessary to understand the current situation - a democratically stable Ukraine, capable of becoming a bulwark of stability in the region, will be much less willing to send peacekeeping contingents to participate in non-traditional peacekeeping operations, even under the auspices of the UN.


    We translate into the correct Russian:

    - Ukraine can be offered only what Russia does not mind. Optimal - entry into an alliance with Russia.
    - Ukraine, in an alliance with Russia, has nothing to fear, so Ukrainian guys will not take any part in the "peacekeeping" actions of the West.
  • Megre
    Megre 15 December 2013 20: 55 New
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    We are one people.
  • Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 16 December 2013 01: 09 New
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    "Far East"

    And you can decide a lot from ... (where are you from). So they listen to their swan lake and hello gayropa.
  • Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 16 December 2013 04: 44 New
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    Ukraine is no longer on the list of US priorities (World Politics Review, USA)
  • kelevra
    kelevra 18 December 2013 14: 24 New
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    The usual attempt to draw Ukraine into work that will draw all its resources! The action of the West with a whip and a stick. Ukraine needs to pursue a more aggressive policy towards Europe and the West, because with the naked eye you can see how they are trying to decompose the country! And the Ukrainian leadership is still plays the game: strip your ass! Allows you to walk around the provocateur Nuland on the Maidan, and Russia, which sincerely wants to help, makes any demands or complaints!