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The madness of "imperial integration"

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The madness of "imperial integration"
In the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, the main migration flow was directed from the center to the periphery: from 1846 to 1924, more than 60 million people left Europe. Photo: AP



Disputes over the problems of migration in Russia are not subsiding, and the contradictions in this area are becoming more serious. Opponents and supporters of attracting workers from the countries of the former Soviet Union to the country use economic, demographic and social arguments in discussions on this topic, appeal to "justice" and "stories". At the same time, however, the most significant factor that stimulates the influx of migrants into Russia remains unaffected, the political factor.

Today, Russia's foreign policy is determined by Vladimir Putin - and he is firmly convinced, on the one hand, that “the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century,” and on the other, that the “Soviet Union was Russia, only called differently. " These two theses make it necessary to at least be wary of the allegations that Russia is not going to recreate the “Soviet empire” in one form or another. Yes, so far we are talking about the Customs Union, the development of Eurasia, new forms of political cooperation, but there is no doubt that this is being done to create a single humanitarian space in the territory of a significant part of the former Soviet Union. Putin made this very straightforward and blunt-voiced in his program article published two years ago.

Easily traceable trends indicate that the “Putin’s plan” in this part of it is being successfully implemented. If in the middle of 1990's until 65% of migrants working in Russia came from Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova, now more than 60% come from Central Asian states - and their share will increase if the Russian authorities, as they threatened, introduce a visa regime with Ukraine after signing the Agreement on associations with the EU. The total number of migrants living in Russia over 10 years increased from 2-2,5 million to 12-13 million people. However, their influx promotes little the integration project, with respect to which more and more skeptical statements are heard even from Minsk and Astana. Why is this so?

In our opinion, the reason lies in the changes occurring in the world, which the Russian political elite does not want or can not take into account. For millennia, the world was ruled by empires - and the Russian was the largest among them all, given the scale of its territory and for how many consecutive years it was ruled from a single center. But all these empires collapsed — and in less than two centuries, from the 1820 to the 1990. Global leadership in the twentieth century was captured by the country, which not only initiated the anti-imperial movement in the ever-memorable 1776, but also became the most multicultural society in human history by the beginning of the 21st century. In parallel with this shift, another, no less important, occurred: if in the XIX century the main migration flow was directed from the center to the periphery (from 1846 to 1924, more than 60 million people left Europe, or 29% of its population as of the beginning of this period ), then from 1960 to 2010, more than 15 million migrants from developing countries arrived in 28 EU countries, or 9,3% of the total number of Europeans who lived in these states as of mid-twentieth century.

If you connect these trends, you get a simple and clear picture. The empires, as political systems in which the more developed metropolis controlled the less developed periphery, existed when the metropolis was more mobile than the periphery. It was only under these conditions that she played an active role, and the introduction to a higher culture and a more advanced economic system was carried out collectively (as it happened, for example, after joining Georgia or Ukraine to Russia). On the contrary, the collapse of empires and the spread of globalization brought with them completely reverse trends: the periphery became more mobile than the metropolis, and integration into the developed world turned from a collective process into an individual one. From this point on, the periphery began to degrade - after all, it is much easier to leave a distressed country than to try to change it (but this is not the point now). The former metropolises, becoming a magnet for the attraction of people from their former colonies, lost the chance to restore political domination over them.

In fact, in most of the world's capitals, politicians took this fact with relief; Moscow, perhaps, was the only exception. Of course, anyone who settles in the Kremlin will be infected with the virus of imperialism — but it’s impossible not to see that empires in their traditional form do not exist and cannot exist. In the classical empire, the center and periphery practically did not overlap. In the British Isles in 1900, about 35 000 came from colonies - less than 0,1% of the population. In imperial Russia in Moscow and St. Petersburg it was almost impossible to meet the inhabitants of Baku or Bukhara. Even in the USSR, which set as its goal the creation of the Soviet people as a “new historical community” of people, ethnic Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz and Turkmen made up in aggregate ... 0,6% of the RSFSR population. Classical empires - I will emphasize this once again - suggested migration from the center to the periphery and limited migration from the periphery to the center. From the middle of the 1950-x to the beginning of the 1980-x. in the Soviet Union, more than 8,5 million people moved from the European part of the country to the Urals, to Central Asia and Transcaucasia, while the reverse flow was almost 6 times (!) smaller. The most important imperial efforts were to equip the periphery - and therefore in Tajikistan in the middle of 1980-s the average income was only 23% lower than the average for the RSFSR, and British Kenya in the middle of the 1950-s had higher per capita income than South Korea . Everything we see today is the opposite trend: Russians are rapidly fleeing from countries with which the Kremlin intends to integrate (even in Kazakhstan, the share of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians in the total population has decreased from 44,4 to 26,2% from 1989 to 2010) , and in their footsteps hundreds of thousands of citizens of these mostly “failed” states are sent to Russia.

Opening doors to migrants from peripheral countries means not to recreate an empire, but to destroy the metropolis. The decline of Rome was a classic example - but at that time the ruling class had no alternatives: the economic system did not suggest the possibility of explosive efficiency gains. However, now, when more than 1 million people work in the Russian Railways system, 29 000 operates on the Canadian railways, when the population density beyond the Urals is 2,3 people per 1 square meters. km, and in Alaska - just 0,5 people per 1 square. km, you should not believe in the tales of depopulation and the inability to do on their own in the development of the country. Integration is different from expansion, even if Vladimir Putin does not want to see it. “Imperial Integration” is an obvious nonsense. The union created by the Treaty of Rome differs from the empire built by Rome two thousand years before - in far too many ways. Integration presupposes the unity of cultures, economies and values, rather than the desire to seize the maximum territory (which in the context of globalization acts as a burden rather than an asset - especially in deep continental zones). There is no doubt that Muslim Turkey, almost 50 years seeking admission to the EU, will join it later in Christian-secular Ukraine - while we are ready (if we talk about the whole of Central Asia) to add to 140 million Russians almost 67,5 million representatives are not at all the worst but a completely different cultural tradition. Even after adopting poor Bulgaria in the EU, the level of per capita GDP, which turned out to be the smallest in this country, is lower than the European average by half, while the gap between Russia and Tajikistan exceeds 10,5 times. And that “Asian” is found by domestic gurus in the minds and behavior of those whom Catherine II called “Russian Europeans”, for my discourse on “Eurasianism”, it is difficult for me to understand.

To summarize, I will say this. Immigration from the countries of the eastern and southern parts of the post-Soviet space is not able to solve any of the problems facing Russia. It is conditioned to a minimum extent by considerations of maintaining justice in relation to our former fellow citizens, to a large extent by the motives for enriching the business and bureaucratic elite and, on an overwhelming scale, by the baseless geopolitical ambitions of the Russian political elite. Not understanding the differences between building empires and free integration, not being able to modernize the country through increased economic efficiency and fearing loss of support from the Europeanizing middle class of large cities, this elite is ready today to sacrifice the country in order to prolong its own tenure. And so it is she, and not the unfortunate immigrants from the Central Asian republics, who in the overwhelming majority are simply trying to escape from poverty
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 14 December 2013 07: 21 New
    +9
    "Global leadership in the twentieth century was seized by a country that not only initiated the anti-imperial movement in the ever-memorable 1776, but also by the beginning of the twenty-first century became the most multicultural society in human history."

    Tolerasts love to glorify the United States, which are engaged in constant wars of aggression and who, even 50 years ago, had laws on racial segregation. (In fact, their laws now act as tradition)
    But Russia among the Tolerasts is always bad and always does everything wrong.
    I wonder why the Tolerasts always have this position?
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 14 December 2013 08: 15 New
      +6
      In March 2010, Vladislav Inozemtsev signed an appeal by the Russian opposition "Putin must leave." In June 2011, he spoke at the congress of the Right Cause party and proposed "to put in the center of the election campaign topics that no one else would dare to raise and will allow consolidating the target audience."

      Theme №3.

      “Russia should become a member of the European Union, adopt its norms and laws, and participate in the development of new ones in the future. “Accession to the EU is the key to the survival of our country in the era of global integration associations.”
      1. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 14 December 2013 09: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: SHILO
        SHILO


        I apologize, accidentally put a minus. Compensate.)
      2. perfect100
        perfect100 14 December 2013 12: 44 New
        0
        And who is this, V. Inozemtsev? A speaking surname ... Yes, you never know who signed something .. there are quite a few fools, why should everyone quote?
    2. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 14 December 2013 08: 24 New
      +7
      Inozemtsev - Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Civil Force.
      Now we read articles from liberal parties on VO. Well, at least not a manifesto.
    3. varov14
      varov14 14 December 2013 11: 05 New
      -6
      I do not know whether the author is tolerant, but he very accurately reflected the essence of the empire. This is the seizure of foreign territories for the sake of settling their own population, plus the use of natural resources. The foreign population is by no means contributing to this, therefore, for example, in America, the indigenous population was exterminated. It turns out that Putin is a primitive doppelgänger, or serves the corporate goals of a narrow circle of people, money bags that are interested in cheap labor, and at this moment. When migration has changed direction, and the outskirts begin to dictate their will to the metropolis, they must reconsider their views on the empire. Rather, it is understood that the view of the empire is unshakable as a rock - these are foreign territories with the smallest indigenous population as possible. Not for nothing Thatcher determined for Russia the 15 millionth population. Putin will destroy Russia, he, in fact, is the enemy of the empire and the goals are clearly different.
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 14 December 2013 12: 34 New
        +4
        Inozemtsev founded and has been the supervisor since 1996 of the autonomous non-profit organization Center for Research in the Post-Industrial Society

        1) In 1991, he was appointed consultant to the department of history and theory of socialism of the theoretical journal of the Central Committee of the CPSU Communist
        ......
        2) at the congress of the party “Just Cause” he was elected to the Federal Political Council of the party, and at the subsequent meeting of the congress, on September 20, he became a member of the federal part of the party’s electoral list in the elections to the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the VI convocation.

        A wonderful example of a renegade. Ms. Thatcher could be proud of him.
      2. wulf66
        wulf66 14 December 2013 13: 38 New
        +3
        I do not know whether the author is tolerant, but he very accurately reflected the essence of the empire. This is the seizure of foreign territories for the sake of resettlement of their own population

        The history of the Russian Empire proves the possibility of a different creation of the Empire ... All the peoples of Russia have retained their identity in contrast to the Britons and Amers, it is not necessary to equate the incomparable.
      3. smile
        smile 14 December 2013 15: 10 New
        +2
        varov14
        I don’t know what he very accurately reflected there, but this is the man who openly urges us to go to the yoke of the European Union and actually renounce our sovereignty-without any stretch .... are you eager to become a colony? And if Putin interferes with such Jews as foreigners, then any of his curses against Putin must be taken as a confirmation of the correctness of his policy.

        The author is one of the few open internal enemies of Russia (like Baba Lera Novodvorskaya or Alekseeva with Ponomarev) who do not hide that they dream of subjugating our country to overseas and European wise rulers ... well, what will they do to us if we lose our sovereignty? , it is clear to everyone ..... even you ... or do you deliberately support him, wanting to destroy our country, and precisely because under Putin, the implementation of your "dreams" is impossible to gurgle on him here?

        The author is an editor, not a good person. It is supported either by sv..chi, or also vegetable "cultures" that do not have a brain, even a bone one ... you know better who you belong to ... :)))
    4. Horde
      Horde 14 December 2013 11: 30 New
      +7
      damn, this Inozemtsev vinigret in the head.
      Global leadership in the twentieth century was captured by a country that not only initiated the anti-imperial movement in the memorable 1776, but also became the most multicultural society in human history by the beginning of the XNUMXst century

      did the United States initiate an anti-imperial movement? Delirium, some kind, maybe they initiated an anti-imperial confrontation with respect to, say, Britain, as an empire, but at the same time they themselves built a DOMINANT FOREIGN POLICY from their very beginning, which is called -EMPIRE.
      Of course, anyone who settles in the Kremlin will be infected with the imperial virus


      for Inozemtsev, a progressive way of the state’s existence is to TAKE EVERYTHING AND DIVIDE EVERYTHING i.e. according to Sharikov. Refusal from the GENERAL MANAGEMENT of territories and peoples leads to the DEGRADATION of these territories by the example of the SOVIET REPUBLICS - EVERYONE was degraded. The rejection of the CMEA led to the DEGRADATION of Eastern Europe. And it turned out that the republics that became states cannot provide their territorial unity, an example of Georgia and Armenia Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan and Ukraine will always have a claim from Russia for the occupied territories.

      Classical empires - I emphasize this again - assumed migration from the center to the periphery and limited migration from the periphery to the center.


      CLASSICAL EMPIRE is when the country is in order and no one moves anywhere, but live on OWN LAND under one imperial control.

      Integration presupposes the unity of cultures, economies and values, rather than the desire to capture the maximum territory (which in the context of globalization is more likely to be an encumbrance than an asset, especially in deep continental zones).

      casuistry from the Inozemtsev type is good when the UNITY is CULTURE, but LARGE TERRITORIES is a burden and is generally NOT fashionable. It is clear where it tends to fall apart.

      this elite is ready today to sacrifice the country in order to extend their own stay in power.

      I hopped, hopped through the tree with my thoughts, but it seems the conclusion was drawn by the correct MOVEMENT OF ALL Kyrgyz and Tajiks into Moscow is unacceptable.
      1. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 14 December 2013 12: 06 New
        +3
        That's it .. Novgorodtsev, or rather, Inozemtsev takes a fact causing tension in society, and sculpts a bunch of garbage and all sorts of rubbish around this fact, in the end of which it brings out the main idea of ​​the article: Director of Mordor Putin, who needs to be changed soon. Moreover, the phenomenon itself, which serves as a pretext, remains in the background.

        The essence of the shitty analytical study is the same: Putin is a reptile, a gang get, and so on. As the answer to the natural question - and whom to the kingdom? - absent, it is assumed by default that this should be a representative of the progressive part of society, that of its very best part, which Novgorodtsev himself represents ... or rather, Inozemtsev: a liberal party, feeding from the hands of a higher civilization - EU, USA ..
        Well, there are of course options. For example, representatives of the right-wing public - all kinds of Nazis, semi-Nazis would not hesitate to suggest some Potkin or Demushkin, at worst Kholmogorov. Well, there, RNG, "white" state, racial laws, National Assembly, zigi, 14 \ 88 and so on. There are no other options.
        I don’t take ordinary extras - Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Mironov into account, since the article is not about them, but about a more global change - we are offered an alternative much more radical, based on the image of Inozemtsev himself and his views.

        In fact, this is not about the Kyrgyz in the article - it’s obvious.
        Here I am categorically for a radical solution to the issue of illegal migration: strict observance of laws, preferably a visa regime with countries - suppliers of the main flows of illegal migrants.
        But I do not at all like the fact that Inozemtsev pursues his own political goals in his "analyzes" designed for naive inhabitants.
        It is possible not to burn with love for Putin, but the alternative in the form of the German-bulk-daring ones does not smile at me. "Putin's house to sway the pipe" for the sake of the principle, when the alternative is even worse - idiocy. You can talk for a long time about the shortcomings of the existing government, theft, corruption, devastation, degradation, but in the end there will always be a question - who will we choose instead?
        I chose Zyuganov. I will not say that my choice is impeccable, but I had a number of reasons for such a choice.
        But I agree a thousand times to Putin, than to someone from those who are still applying for or applying for the presidency - the Germans and others.

        And migration in the article is the twenty-fifth case, in fact.

        Such here my opinion.
    5. ATATA
      ATATA 14 December 2013 12: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      "Global leadership in the twentieth century was seized by a country that not only initiated the anti-imperial movement in the memorable 1776

      The author of course is very cunning.
      The USA is a real empire (I will add EVIL from myself!).
  2. kaktus
    kaktus 14 December 2013 07: 26 New
    -1
    The article is correct. + The findings do not dispute. yes
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 14 December 2013 08: 33 New
      +3
      An article in the elderberry garden in Kiev uncle.
      However, now there are so many different "strategic", "geopolitical", critically unpalatable, fucking-as-important-analytical centers that there is no surprise at the amount of outright rubbish thrown out onto the mountain by all these directors of such centers and their main analysts.

      As for the conclusions, they are on any site, from A to Z, in the comments of ordinary people a thousand a day absolutely the same in content and meaning - to see, the Russian land is so richly rich in thinkers, since everyone draws the same conclusions from Glory Inozemtsev (directly Seva Novgorodtsev asks to mind) to some Murzilka - a commentator, from the website of the newspaper Grani.ru

      Why is this garbage in VO?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 14 December 2013 09: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Generalissimus
        Why is this garbage in VO?

        We read above: ""Opinions" Rubric: Absolutely various opinions articles site visitors, as well as articles from other sites for discussion... The site administration about this news may have an opinion different from the opinion of the authors of the materials. "
  3. iulai
    iulai 14 December 2013 07: 32 New
    +1
    I completely agree. The enemies of Russia are not the United States, not the EU, not China, but the enemies of Russia are presumptuous officials! Even during Putin’s first presidency, they warned that corruption would destroy the country and that the process would be irreversible in the future! I didn’t obey. In the presidential address, the fight against corruption was declared the main task, but it’s too late to start the fight! She entangled the whole country and the main fault in this Putin! He alone is to blame for this!
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 14 December 2013 08: 44 New
      +8
      Oh, Mlyn ... Well, the stump is clear - the darkest is to blame !!!
      The stump is clear that the USA, China and the EU are not enemies to us, but friends !! Well, at least - partners! Not freeloaders.
      And if it weren’t for the darkest, the most Jewish in the friendly family of nations, in Europe, would eat French bouvoks. Only he alone is to blame !!

      So, who is to blame - we now know!

      Go to the next question: What to do?
      Run for advice from friends? This is here - Twitter
      US Embassy
      ?

      Or immediately personally, in Bolshaya Devyatinsky, d.8?
    2. DS22
      DS22 14 December 2013 10: 52 New
      -1
      What to do? Beat the muzzles! Who's guilty? Putin and Co.! Again we forget the third eternal Russian question: - "Where to start?" And you need to start with yourself, dear comrades (gentlemen)! It is necessary to create around us an "island" of honor and dignity, a stronghold of the Russian people, even if not large! I will create, you will create, Uncle Vanya from Ivanovka will create, you see, one day the drops will merge into a stormy stream, sweeping away everything in its path, cleansing the Motherland from dirt and filth ...
      1. Horde
        Horde 14 December 2013 11: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: DS22
        What to do? Beat the muzzles! Who's guilty? Putin and Co.! Again we forget the third eternal Russian question: - "Where to start?" And you need to start with yourself, dear comrades (gentlemen)


        cool start to beat your face, and we'll see what happens, will there be more order ... laughing
      2. smile
        smile 14 December 2013 15: 23 New
        +1
        DS22
        Usually, after all the sweeping stormy stream, there are continuous ruins stinking from rotting corpses stuck in the garbage ....
        In general, your calls can only lead to such a state of Russia ... so that to cleanse the Motherland of dirt and filth, you can really start with yourself - step into the cesspool, from there it will be harder for you to preach ideas about saving the country by destroying it .... or you can go to the store and buy brains there - a little, three hundred grams - in order to understand how harmful calls to "streams" are - that's enough. :)))
  4. makarov
    makarov 14 December 2013 07: 45 New
    +4
    the material is certainly not easy, like the topic itself. the author has his own vision of the processes and their resolution. But as a simple man in the street, I will say this: - the resettlement program in the Russian Federation is good only on paper, but the settlers do not receive real help and support on the ground, and an example of this is the comments under the nickname "Sasha". If we recall history, then in tsarist times, immigrants (it does not matter to the south or north) were provided not only with real material assistance, but in the form of prospects, they were exempted from taxes for a period of 10 to 20 years. And now (?), Some show-off and verbiage
  5. individual
    individual 14 December 2013 07: 58 New
    10
    The mistake of the Russian authorities was the inclusion of a large vacuum cleaner collecting garbage from unclaimed people from Central Asia.
    After the collapse of the USSR, these ethnic groups degraded to the feudal-community level and, in addition to the problems of opposing civilizations, they will not bring Russia.
    1. smile
      smile 14 December 2013 15: 29 New
      +1
      individual
      People are not rubbish ... nowhere - not in Africa, not in the tundra, nor in Central Asia. So to speak, unacceptable. They are no worse than us.
      Their fault is only that they were not lucky to live under independent rulers who really brought them to a hungry existence and degradation of the population.
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    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 14 December 2013 09: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      Eurasian Union is not a viable structure. Nazarbayev will leave, the Kazakhs will begin to screw up. Central Asia -there is generally the Middle Ages with its mores. There are completely different cultures. I don’t admit for my people who eat the contents of the stomachs of cattle, do not wash, do not wipe their ass and fuck asses.

      I completely agree. The so-called "Eurasian Union" is a utopia, the fruit of a sick fantasy, one Soviet fool-dreamer and two shtetl princelings who are not averse to profiting at someone else's expense.
      Well, it would be okay to talk about a purely economic association, for example, an organization like the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) when interested countries sign various kinds of agreements with a larger and more powerful country, on mutually beneficial relations, in exchange for certain concessions, in favor of the integrator's country. But why build yet another under-empire, and even to the detriment of their own people ... even now the situation with interethnic relations in Russia is on the verge of an explosion, mind you, all the latest clashes with foreigners turned into pogroms ... Russians no longer believe in "multinationality", "there are no bad nationalities", "proletarians of all countries unite and copulate" and other nonsense - Russians just quietly hate.
      1. smile
        smile 14 December 2013 15: 48 New
        +1
        Warrawar
        Quietly everyone is hated only by Mamba, whom everyone "loves" ... :))) Are you one of those?

        Yes, the national question is being intensely set on fire (on both sides).
        There are quite a few interested parties - from external enemies, to simply opponents of Putin or those who are eager for the dismemberment of Russia ... and non-Russian colleagues of our fascists are trying their best ... - but you can understand them somehow - they don’t usually hide their separatist aspirations ...
        I am glad that your joy is premature - we don’t have so many Nazis - there are not enough half-bites among Russians to replenish the pogromists ... but if we miss the situation, Russia may not have a future thanks to such a pogromist.
        And from the fact that such barbarians then, smearing their saliva, will groan - we wanted the best, we did not think that it would happen. we don’t need us to the wall, it’s better not to be anyone, it will be too late.
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 14 December 2013 09: 04 New
    +4
    Immigration is a bad thing; apparently, PUTIN and MEDVEDEV do not intend to change the status quo, which means that we will all have a repeat of the BIRULEVO in the future.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 14 December 2013 09: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Immigration is a bad thing; apparently, PUTIN and MEDVEDEV do not intend to change the status quo, which means that we will all have a repeat of the BIRULEVO in the future.

      Yes, and Biryulyovo throughout the country ...

  8. Normal
    Normal 14 December 2013 09: 16 New
    0
    It can be considered Inozemtseva tolerast. One can (and not without reason) accuse him of striving for the European Union. It is possible, if it does not go out to challenge and disprove thoughts, switch to a person who expresses these thoughts.
    But from this, these statements do not cease to reflect the real state of affairs.
    Article plus.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 14 December 2013 09: 42 New
      +1
      quote-If in the middle of the 1990's. up to 65% of the migrants working in Russia came from Ukraine, from Belarus and Moldova, now more than 60% falls on the Central Asian states - and their share will increase if the Russian authorities, as they threatened, introduce a visa regime with Ukraine after signing the Agreement on Ukraine associations with the EU. The total number of migrants living in Russia over 10 years has grown from 2-2,5 million to 12-13 million.

      Infographics
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 14 December 2013 16: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Normal
      It is possible, if it does not go out to challenge and disprove thoughts, switch to a person who expresses these thoughts.


      SCHPES (USA, EU) leads the same correct speech. About democracy there, freedom, world peace, he distributes pies on the maydaun to his pluses to his pluses. Who is against freedom - plus! Aw, not a plus. Why? Yes, because not to refute, not to challenge. This is where you need to look, and who are you a dove of peace? Looked - oh! And not a pigeon at all, but a minimum of a vulture and a motive with a sweetheart, and he does not need truth at all, and Tokmo Russia as an application of a voiceless to UWB.
  9. Semurg
    Semurg 14 December 2013 10: 09 New
    +1
    people from Central Asia go to work in Russia for the Kazakhs, this is good (a hungry and angry Uzbek, the Kirghiz will make sparks fly towards us). On the one hand, this is good for Russia (gastric people give some growth in GDP), on the other hand, it does not increase competition in the labor market, increase the degree of xenophobia, etc. Now Russia is faced with a choice and they need it. at 91 when they supported the "declaration of sovereignty" they answered that it was not necessary. After a couple of years, re-electing or rolling Putin past the presidency, they will again answer the question whether they need an empire in a different wrapper.
  10. RUSS
    RUSS 14 December 2013 10: 14 New
    +6
    Personally, I care about one moment in migration: I arrived, I earned money, I left, but migrants are not going to leave by hook or by crook, they want to take root here, while the majority of Muslims come in illiterate labor force as a percentage, therefore this is the basis for extremists and national organized crime groups.
  11. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 14 December 2013 11: 18 New
    +5
    The article has such a mishmash that you don’t immediately understand the main idea, the author’s thought. But it is simple: give the European Union! Even the sad experience of Ukraine does not teach anything. And if the price of joining the European Union is the collapse of the Russian economy, an even greater impoverishment of the (seemingly much more) common people, the liberal, like the Blessed One, clicks on the porch: you give the European Union! Sad, my friend ...
    Central Asian migration brings the boiling point of national patience closer. And if the government "sways", does not fundamentally solve this global problem, the country will turn into a big Biryulyovo.
    1. Horde
      Horde 14 December 2013 11: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The article has such a mishmash that you don’t immediately understand the main idea, the author’s thought. But it is simple: give the European Union!


      the sense of not telling the truth of such foreigners is dangerous because they can give a hat and goodbye to a warm place, but apparently they can’t feel sick and carry frank official propaganda, so these articles are not made for the Bolsheviks, not for the Communists, but for the international ...
  12. alone
    alone 14 December 2013 11: 34 New
    +4
    If these people are allowed into the country in such numbers, then this is necessary for someone! So this is not easy, there is some kind of program. It’s just that nothing is ever done. Millions of illegal immigrants are a good feeder for everyone. For entrepreneurs who use these people hide most of their income. for security officials who catch and release these people for bribes, for those in power to cover the failures in implementing some programs related to population reduction and demographic issues. Migrants are beneficial to everyone except ordinary people. people do not give a damn to the rest. Your pocket is much closer than people! am
    1. 222222
      222222 14 December 2013 12: 26 New
      +3
      lonely (1) AZ Today, 11:34 New
      So it is not easy to do it .. "
      The United States immigrants .. and .. consider themselves a state ...
      1. Karl Marx in "Capital" - if the capitalist feels a profit, then he is ready to kill his own mother .. "Are our capitalists in any way different from Marx's? Cheap labor, plus the produced surplus value ... Hence globalization and the transfer of industrial enterprises from their native countries to the zone of cheap slave power ..
      2. Weak economic development of the regions where there is an outflow of immigrant labor .. So this is a problem of the governments of these countries and the peoples living there .. Some imagined themselves padishahs at the expense of the people .. and people want to survive and are looking for where they can earn extra money .. " always want to eat "
      3. Octopus of bloodsuckers of officials, parasitizing on the greed of some and the grief of others and enriching themselves at the expense of the place of their "State" seat ..
    2. smile
      smile 14 December 2013 16: 05 New
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      alone
      For some reason you have forgotten the main reason - it is also a serious lever of influence on the Central Asian republics, which are successfully proving their failure and inability to independently build normal self-sufficient states in order to keep them in the sphere of your influence and prevent them from being controlled by our "potential friends".
      1. alone
        alone 14 December 2013 16: 20 New
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        Quote: smile
        For some reason, you forgot the main reason, it is also a serious lever of influence on the Central Asian republics,

        Hi Vladimir! Glad to see you)

        and how does this affect relations with Uzbekistan? There are a lot of Uzbeks in Russia, and they also left the CSTO. It’s not so simple Vladimir. It’s time for sober relations between states. Letting migrants and thus have an impact on the country where these migrants come from can it used to have its effect, but now it’s almost not rolling. well, let’s say tomorrow migrants will be thrown out of Russia (although a certain part already has Russian passports, they won’t be able to throw them out), you think this will change the situation? I don’t think. Tajiks , Kyrgyz people can also put forward some arguments that will force the authorities to reconsider their views on the problem.
        1. smile
          smile 14 December 2013 16: 36 New
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          alone
          Hello!!!
          Of course, not everything is so simple. By the way. there are not so many Uzbeks. Frankly, I do not have information about how we reacted to the behavior of Uzbekistan. but clearly remember. that as soon as Rakhmon started blackmailing us or flirting with the Americans, ours urgently began to expel the migrant workers. Onishchenko walked on the train on which they came to us, twisted his nose and talked about unsanitary conditions ... and Rakhmon quickly calmed down ...
          And of course, guest workers are not the main lever - this is just one of the levers. By the way, it must be used very carefully, only in extreme cases, since the consequences will be very serious.
          And regarding the fact that Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan have arguments, yes, there is, only if they give us shame - it won’t save them even if we don’t answer them, but simply stop helping. Do you think they don’t know about it?
          1. alone
            alone 14 December 2013 16: 46 New
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            Quote: smile
            And regarding the fact that Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan have arguments, yes, there is, only if they give us shame - it won’t save them even if we don’t answer them, but simply stop helping. Do you think they don’t know about it?

            Know Vladimir! By flirting with the former republics, the authorities made one small mistake. They turned these republics into regions where they just sit and wait for Russia to give us. They are already used to the fact that someone has to do something. But Russia does not want to bend too much. China is nearby and has long been looking with one eye towards Central Asia.
            Russia also has military bases there. Here, it turns out that migrants seem to be a tool of pressure, but at the same time, like a stick with two ends.
            We, of course, were lucky in this regard. Ours is also quite a lot. But at one time when the EBN closed the borders with us, we took all this into account and managed to withstand this pressure, although with difficulty. And after the EBN, the GDP said a phrase that played a decisive role in current relationship
            "It's time to accept Azerbaijan as it is and build relations based on this fact!"
            By the way, the only two countries that do not have debt obligations to each other are Russia and Azerbaijan. Exclusively all economic and trade relations are built in cash. In the morning money, chairs in the evening))) hi
            1. smile
              smile 14 December 2013 16: 52 New
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              alone
              Well, you can’t argue. I agree.
  13. 222222
    222222 14 December 2013 11: 43 New
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    Posted by Vladislav Inozemtsev, Director of the Center for Research in the Post-Industrial Society
    ..hrenew from the author’s desire to tweak the GDP ...
    mixed everything together: -and migrants, and the empire .. and greedy oligarchs .. he ignores assumptions and conclusions ..
    the author does not want to see the main thing .. that the world in the struggle for energy resources has long entered its territorial redistribution, for spheres of influence in the areas of their presence (Africa, the Arctic ..), production (the Middle East, the Caspian region, Russia ...) and control of their delivery routes - oil and gas pipelines, control of sea communications (Georgia, Ukraine, oceans .......) ...
  14. max702
    max702 14 December 2013 12: 19 New
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    I think if you look globally, the USSR collapsed because of the national policy, this was the main systemic error, for God's sake, there is no need for "the equality of all peoples" "internationalism" and other nonsense! I found the Soviet Union and quite a few. So the inhabitants of Central Asia and the Caucasus have always been considered absolutely worthless, idlers, inept, and so on, but it was so and nothing can be done about it. Instead of raising our country, namely the Russian hinterland, we threw a lot of human and material resources into equipping medieval outskirts and bringing them to civilization, how many intelligent doctors, unique engineers, talented scientists, real officers left there ... you can't count them, but how would they be useful in the metropolis, we had everything in order at home? Are the roads built everywhere? Has the gas been supplied to everyone? The level of medicine and education has reached the maximum possible? And in how many garrisons and units did the mediocrity officers serve because there are no others .. About the material costs that were thrown into the wild outskirts, even a figure is difficult to imagine the count will go to trillions .. That is overstrained .. neither at home nor they didn't build the savages, they didn't accustom them to order, they just weakened the reins and stopped feeding they immediately got stabbed in the back (how many Russian-speakers were slaughtered, robbed, they were allowed to go naked around the world) .Look how the republics lived in the USSR, the poorest is the RSFSR and not by the ephemeral calculation of per capita income and by the real state of affairs? Where were the roads built? That's right, in the south, the baltics, the Caucasus, in Moldova, asphalt was laid to each doghouse, but in Udmurtia in 80 years it was possible to move along the roads in the winter, and in the summer on a trakor, because the other would not pass (who did not see how two K700s go in a bundle along he did not see anything on the road) .The same parsley with gas was not used where it was mined, all again to fraternal republics, familiar from Ukraine, he served in 85 near Podolsk, was amazed by the poverty of the population and the poverty of villages, and this suburbs he would have on our non-black earth look, but in some places in the RSFSR they lived well, but in general .. poor and very. Now let's look at the unloved Anglo-Saxons how they led and are conducting a national policy, so that we do not tell their empire for several centuries and rumors of an imminent death seem to me to be very exaggerated, complete the use of colonies to pump out material and human resources from them, everything to the house, everything to the metropolis, yes, this is a bastardly bestial approach, but it has been working for several centuries and their countries are flourishing, we are in He tried it differently, it didn't work out for 70 years, and that's all .. of course they did so little, not without the help of these same Anglo-Saxons, but still a systemic error, despite all the might of the Russian people we are defeated, everything that happens around is shouting about it.
    1. Horde
      Horde 14 December 2013 13: 46 New
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      Quote: max702
      I think if you look globally, the USSR collapsed because of the national policy, this was the main systemic mistake, for God's sake there is no need for "equality of all peoples" "internationalism" and other nonsense


      sensible comment ...
      it was the revolutionary misconceptions about BROTHERHOOD, UNITY, FREEDOM AND EQUALITY that led to such consequences. All EQUAL and FREE wanted to be free from everything, and why does such a BUY or an independent lad sit in his head and thinks, AND WHAT IT IS FOR ME TO BROTHER I START, I AM THE SAME FREEDOM AND EQUAL, I DO NOT WANT MORE.
      Well, what happened? There is no GREAT COUNTRY. The peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia, who had grown up during prosperity under the USSR, turned out to be unnecessary for their homegrown beys and beks and went to seek a better share not in Turkey and not in America, so rich and emigrant, but again to Russia and to Moscow in the majority. And they just didn’t ask DO YOU NEED US?
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 14 December 2013 13: 57 New
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      Quote: max702
      Now we’ll look at the unloved Anglo-Saxons as they conducted and are conducting a national policy, so that we don’t tell their empire for several centuries and rumors of an imminent demise are greatly exaggerated to me, the full use of the colonies is the pumping of material and human resources from them, everything in the house is all to the metropolis, yes this is a bastard bestial approach, but it has been working for several centuries and their countries have been flourishing, we tried differently for 70 years and that’s all .. of course they lasted so little without the help of these very Anglo-Saxons, but still a systemic error, despite all the power of the Russian people we are defeated, everything that is happening around is directly shouting about it.

      So, here I also think so. Enough of populism (all good versus all bad), it’s time to think about yourself.
      It is necessary to build a second Canada in Russia (in terms of living standards and infrastructure).
      And the wild hordes somehow re-stamped.
      1. smile
        smile 14 December 2013 16: 12 New
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        Warrawar
        Yeah. with your worldview, we really will build a second Canada ... with a population of forty million ... just don’t dream - from Canada there will only be a population - the rest just won’t be given - they’ll tear to pieces, because those who roam our lands still a bit more than those of Canada ... :)))
        The union effectively killed nationalism and the ensuing separatism. Rather, in order for separatism to arise, they set fire to nationalism .... now you are doing it ... Why? So you long for all non-Russian peoples to flee from Russia ... along with their territories? Or are you going to make apartheid?
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 16: 56 New
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          )))))))))))))))) all non-Russian peoples fled from Russia)))))))))))) who will run the Tatars, Mordovians, Chuvashs, Komi-who? These peoples have long been integrated into our society. they were initially at the same level of cultural development with us. these are not wild mountaineers) and besides, their republics are surrounded by Russian territories. where to run? small peoples of the North? yes to them your poher! to your homeland!
          1. smile
            smile 14 December 2013 20: 56 New
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            uhjpysq1
            You probably. not knowing what serious trends towards separatism were there in the nineties? How much money has gone into inciting ethnic hatred there? What enormous influence did the tough stance of the Russian leadership at the beginning of the XNUMXs towards Chechnya play?
            In the event that Natsik will breed with us, they will run. because when they hear yelling about h ... rock, h ... ny. they understand - they are next, and only irresponsible and unreasonable do not understand that all these marches are very alarming and play into the hands of their nationalists, who, figuratively speaking, tell their people - look, all Russians are fascists, you will have the same attitude, as unfortunate Tajiks .... and they are right - our Natsiks are just like that, only they are few now ... to our common happiness.
            So, that your many smiles because of the elementary ... so to speak, ignorance and inability to draw elementary conclusions that literally lie on the surface.
  15. polly
    polly 14 December 2013 12: 20 New
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    Foreigners - and there is a foreign! Surnames in the old days were not just given ... To listen to him, so all our kings were fools, that the lands were growing, and he is smart!
  16. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 12: 41 New
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    the kings were just fools and were not in this regard. national policy was focused on the Russian people. and foreigners could not squeak.
    1. smile
      smile 14 December 2013 16: 18 New
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      uhjpysq1
      In RI, "foreigners" had absolutely equal rights with the Russians. Moreover, in places of residence they had tax preferences before the Russians. they were not made strong. they were not recruited. In fact, national tolerance was such that one can call it internationalism. And it is right. Otherwise, all our peoples would not have built such a huge empire.
      1. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 17: 06 New
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        and they were driven by Russian governors.
        1. smile
          smile 14 December 2013 21: 02 New
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          uhjpysq1
          Take a look at the highest aristocracy of the Republic of Ingushetia - who were not there - Germans, Swedes, Scots, Armenians, Georgians, and Tatars, and who was not there ... And the officer corps and generals were the same, and exactly of them were appointed governors-general, so that it is not necessary ....
          1. Normal
            Normal 14 December 2013 22: 48 New
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            Quote: smile
            Germans, and Swedes, and Scots, and Armenians, and Georgians, and Tatars,

            Kadyrov to the presidency of the Russian Federation, Dagestanis to the governors of the Russian regions, Azerbaijanis to the economic bloc, Chechens and Ingush to power structures ... And we will live ... In a prosperous and multinational empire. It is a pity that very soon the Russians will not remain in it. But what kind of friendship will come - a sight for sore eyes!
            1. smile
              smile 15 December 2013 00: 21 New
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              Normal
              What are you, how can you - to a concentration camp of all of them, and let them work with shovels ... just a third of the non-Russian population is nonsense, right?
              Or if you do not want to shoot and guard rabrv in a concentration camp, you can separate yourself from them, bad ones, let them be worse ... why do we need the Caucasus, Bashkiria, Ufa. Why do we, after all, Karelia - well, them, these non-Russian Karelians ... really?
              But the "new order" so dear to your heart will come and the spirit of the Nibelungs will be revived ... only now the shaved-headed shantrap will still have to be destroyed - they, like acid, eat away any state in which they start ... or like a moth ...

              By the way, if all our governors were the same as Yunusbek Evkurov, we would really be much better off living.
      2. Normal
        Normal 14 December 2013 22: 40 New
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        Quote: smile
        in places of residence they had tax preferences before the Russians. they were not fortified. they were not recruited. In fact, national tolerance was such that it can be called internationalism.

        Internationalism, at the expense of the Russians under the tsars, turned into internationalism against the Russians under the current government. And all under the talk about the mythical disintegration of Russia in case of an adequate response to the insolence and unfounded claims (already territorial) of the Caucasians, as well as under the assertions of the liberal leadership that the Russian economy will collapse without Tajik janitors and builders, Uzbek-Kazakh "Japanese" in the land bars.
  17. Yeraz
    Yeraz 14 December 2013 13: 11 New
    +3
    Article minus already for the thesis Ukraine and Kazakhstan were not a member of state.
    But in general, this is how all of Russia gathers in Moscow and St. Petersburg. And the Russians themselves and the Russian authorities themselves created support the situation with migrants.
    Japan has already cited as an example the same population without resources, the economy is larger and better than the Russian one, but there are no migrants.
    And the second example is the UAE, where there are more oil and migrants than indigenous people, but there are no migrant riots.
    It’s all up to the authorities. They want how Japan will develop the economy without migrants or how the UAE will be with migrants, but they will create conditions so that neither local migrants will be disturbed nor migrants local. And the government does as it wants.
    1. smile
      smile 14 December 2013 16: 25 New
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      Yeraz
      In Saudi Arabia, migrants are in the position of slaves, in a much worse position than even our disenfranchised Tajiks. And the performances there are there — they suppress in the most cruel way, punishing ruthlessly to the fullest.
      In Japan, there is an excess of population - they barely barely managed not too long ago with excess birth rates - they have nowhere to go, where are the migrants ... and nevertheless, labor migrants are there - and not so few.
      Regardless of what you wanted to say, examples are untenable. I'm sorry.
  18. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 14 December 2013 13: 55 New
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    In my article, everything is accurately stated in my opinion, if not to get personal. Do not we, on this site, resent the almost unlimited influx of migrants from Asia and the obstacles to Russian and Russian speakers. Although you need to do the opposite. For our imperialism, in my opinion, Russia itself is quite enough. If she lives and develops, her existence will already affect the world around her. Why do we ourselves create additional risks from which the benefits are meager, if any.
  19. kair_kz
    kair_kz 14 December 2013 14: 25 New
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    Quote: Warrawar
    Eurasian Union is not a viable structure. Nazarbayev will leave, the Kazakhs will begin to screw up. Central Asia -there is generally the Middle Ages with its mores. There are completely different cultures. I don’t admit for my people who eat the contents of the stomachs of cattle, do not wash, do not wipe their ass and fuck asses.

    what are you talking about I am from Kazakhstan and I can already judge by your comments that you are from the past, stupid natsik. The union to be, whatever you blather. Long live the friendship of peoples !!!
    1. smile
      smile 14 December 2013 16: 27 New
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      kair_kz
      I support. This is the only way that gives a chance for development to our peoples.
  20. Const
    Const 16 December 2013 12: 48 New
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    Only the article ends with a comma. Only it is not clear to me why in order to escape from poverty it is necessary to leave somewhere. Why does not one of the guest workers develop their camp creating commodity values?