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Norwegian parliament approved additional purchase of F-35A Lightning-2 fighter jets

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Norwegian parliament approved additional purchase of F-35A Lightning-2 fighter jets

The Norwegian Parliament approved the purchase of the next batch of fifth-generation F-6 Lightning-35 2 multi-role fighter jets worth about 4 billion crowns ($ 654,7 million) by the government.


This was reported by Reuters, referring to the parliamentary committee on foreign affairs and defense of Norway.

As TSAMTO has already reported, in November 2008, the Norwegian Defense Ministry announced the choice of the F-35 multi-purpose Lightning-2 fighter from Lockheed Martin as the winner of the tender for the supply of new-generation fighter jets for the country’s X-NUMX. Ultimately, the Ministry of Defense of Norway plans to acquire up to 57 new F-16A. At the time of purchase of the first two aircraft, the cost of the program for the supply of 52 aircraft together with weapons, auxiliary equipment and services was estimated at 35 billion kronor (52 billion dollars). According to the latest estimates, it has now increased to 60 billion crowns.

Financing the purchase of the first four F-35A Norwegian parliament approved 2011 in July. Placing an order for the supply of the first two F-35A Lightning 2 MODs of Norway announced 15 June 2012 of the year after the United States made a positive decision regarding the integration of the JSM rocket fighter aircraft (integrated on the 4 aircraft version). The acquisition of a second batch of 6 fighters in addition to the four previously ordered aircraft, the parliament approved 18 on June 2013 of the year. Thus, the acquisition of 16 aircraft has now been approved. The first fighters of the third party will be delivered in 2018 year.

In order to reduce the burden on the defense budget, it was decided to “stretch” the original acquisition schedule. Delivery will start earlier and be completed later than planned. The first four aircraft are scheduled to be received in 2015-2016. and place them in the US for training. Between 2017 and 2024 Norway will annually receive six production aircraft. Contracts for the supply of each party will be reviewed annually and approved by Parliament.

According to the calculations of the Government of Norway, the total cost of the program for the purchase and operation of F-35 during the entire life cycle will be 248 billion kroons.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 13 December 2013 12: 24
    +7
    Well Norway NATO's "chain dog" ... will run after Russian strategic planes ...
    1. AVV
      AVV 13 December 2013 12: 44
      +2
      Homosexuals from Europe support homosexuals from America !!! Only who will fly gays or lizbians on them ???
      1. Civil
        Civil 13 December 2013 13: 54
        +3
        Gay Vikings against whom do they buy planes?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 13 December 2013 16: 25
          +7
          Now the trend is not against anyone. and who will scare worse! but in Norway, in particular, this is generally a question of the evolutionary degradation of society, it needs to be studied separately .... acquaintances almost fled to their homeland on foot at night ......
        2. Sirs
          Sirs 14 December 2013 05: 44
          +1
          I read an article on the Internet and I was struck by one, where children were taken out in support of LGBT people in a Scandinavian country. WHY spoil the lives of children.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 December 2013 16: 31
        +2
        Well, this is from orientation ... wassat
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 December 2013 14: 12
      +7
      ShturmKGB
      Well Norway is NATO's "watchdog".


      By your logic, are we a chain dog of France? Since we buy there not glaring Mistrals
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 13 December 2013 14: 48
        +6
        Quote: Vadivak
        ShturmKGB
        Well Norway is NATO's "watchdog".


        By your logic, are we a chain dog of France? Since we buy there not glaring Mistrals

        It's just that everyone judges by himself, by his worldview.
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      4. ShturmKGB
        ShturmKGB 13 December 2013 15: 39
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        ShturmKGB
        Well Norway is NATO's "watchdog".


        By your logic, are we a chain dog of France? Since we buy there not glaring Mistrals
        Not. The highways that are made for Russia will serve Russia, and these aircraft will serve NATO i.e. USA, do you feel the difference?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 December 2013 15: 58
          +1
          ShturmKGB
          Not. The highways that are made for Russia will serve Russia, and these aircraft will serve NATO i.e. USA, do you feel the difference?


          Mistrals actually serve in NATO.
          In the picture UDC “Mistral” and “Tonner”. And as for the fact that F-35s will not be purchased by the Russian Federation, (at least a few) can only be regretted, they would be very useful, unlike this French trash
          1. irongun
            irongun 14 December 2013 02: 11
            +2
            For the tropical Olympics, you could buy enemy aircraft - the language went numb! + Vladivostok empty bargain - 680 billion rubles. 00 kopecks Well, you, the richest ....
            Quote: Vadivak
            RF will not be purchased, (at least a few) can only be regretted, it would be very useful, unlike this French trash

            Total - 360 foreign fighter aircraft of the 5th generation F-35. Next time. Maybe your power will have brains. Though...
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          3. cdrt
            cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 03
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            ShturmKGB
            Not. The highways that are made for Russia will serve Russia, and these aircraft will serve NATO i.e. USA, do you feel the difference?


            Mistrals actually serve in NATO.
            In the picture UDC “Mistral” and “Tonner”. And as for the fact that F-35s will not be purchased by the Russian Federation, (at least a few) can only be regretted, they would be very useful, unlike this French trash


            Yet simple laughing
            for propagandists and their "gifted" listeners laughing
            Chapek's joke in my opinion "our soldiers are always noble and chivalrous, and the enemy are mean and insidious, that's why they sometimes win" is an immutable truth, the basis of the worldview laughing laughing laughing
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    3. Basarev
      Basarev 13 December 2013 17: 16
      -3
      6 planes a year is not even funny
      1. the polar
        the polar 13 December 2013 18: 25
        +6
        Quote: Basarev
        6 planes a year is not even funny

        We do not have 6 "fifth generation" aircraft yet.
        1. Su24
          Su24 13 December 2013 19: 43
          +4
          Quote: Polar
          Quote: Basarev
          6 planes a year is not even funny

          We do not have 6 "fifth generation" aircraft yet.


          Norwegians too)))
        2. marmuzan
          marmuzan 14 December 2013 03: 42
          +3
          the polar The population of Norway is 4,5 million (almost like Georgia),
          BUT they have GAS ...
        3. Basarev
          Basarev 14 December 2013 13: 30
          0
          Our planes are only undergoing state tests, and they are already building in vain. So this is not the same thing.
    4. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 13 December 2013 17: 29
      +1
      The master ordered to buy, not to cross the serf. Buy and kiss the hands of the benefactor ... fellow
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 13 December 2013 20: 09
        0
        "If you want to ruin Bulgaria - give it a cruiser"(C)

        the cost of the program for the supply of 52 aircraft, together with weapons, auxiliary equipment and services, was estimated at 60 billion kroons ($ 9,9 billion). According to recent estimates, it has now increased to 64 billion kroons.

        200 green lamas for a low-power pregnant iron overloaded with electronics? This must be able to. Hats off to the Americans hi
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 05
          0
          Quote: Cherdak
          "If you want to ruin Bulgaria - give it a cruiser"(C)

          the cost of the program for the supply of 52 aircraft, together with weapons, auxiliary equipment and services, was estimated at 60 billion kroons ($ 9,9 billion). According to recent estimates, it has now increased to 64 billion kroons.

          200 green lamas for a low-power pregnant iron overloaded with electronics? This must be able to. Hats off to the Americans hi


          You are kind, instead of counting other people's money for new planes, it would be better to count the money for the Olympics, the future World Cup. Won in Yekaterinburg rolled out a project to modernize the stadium - 18 billion rubles laughing laughing
          1. Yarik
            Yarik 15 December 2013 09: 05
            -1
            That's for sure. How crazy they went with the Olympics, as if there’s nothing more to invest in. The standard of living is beyond praise. For the costs of the Olympics, Mr. Vova would be worth hanging from his genitals. wink
      2. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 13 December 2013 23: 41
        -1
        I was intrigued by the "cons" of the Norwegian comrades about the purchase of the F-35. Will you trample against Barin? ..
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    6. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 13 December 2013 19: 07
      +1
      And why did we give the chain dog a piece of the Barents Sea. Actually, not We, but Mr. Medvedev.
    7. Su24
      Su24 13 December 2013 19: 40
      0
      An average of 184 lyama per plane.
    8. Cherdak
      Cherdak 13 December 2013 21: 38
      -1
      ShturmKGB
      will run after Russian strategic planes ...


      There will be no tongue
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 13 December 2013 21: 58
        0
        Quote: Cherdak
        There will be no

        Judging by the performance characteristics of the aircraft, when our T-50 goes into series - NATO will declare mourning!
        1. servant
          servant 15 December 2013 13: 01
          0
          Apparently, the T-50 should be launched at least in a series, then some years to bring to mind a little ...
      2. sss5.papu
        sss5.papu 14 December 2013 15: 01
        +1
        This is not TTX, but some kind of gag. Find real data on TTX f-22, and compare.
      3. cayman gene
        cayman gene 14 December 2013 23: 37
        0
        Quote: Cherdak
        ShturmKGB
        will run after Russian strategic planes ...


        There will be no tongue


        yes primorye. a hundred thousand times saw it, get a minus.
  2. svp67
    svp67 13 December 2013 12: 24
    +4
    News for us "-"
  3. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 13 December 2013 12: 25
    +6
    Claims on the Arctic are beginning to be supported by business.
  4. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 13 December 2013 13: 16
    +3
    On the one hand, I understand that the modern military power of the NATO bloc countries is rather virtual than real: one small but very proud country is going to buy 50 new F35s, another 20, a third hundred ... I look at our state order with 60 PAKFA, then on the advertising booklet F35 and at heart it becomes so sad, it turns out that only lousy Norway can confidently establish air supremacy over Mother Russia, and even if the spolite speech is pulled up, they will tear a heating pad like a tuzik - it’s ridiculous honestly. I have another question for the Norwegians "what will you eat after buying so many planes?"
    1. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 13 December 2013 13: 23
      +2
      are going to buy ... doesn’t mean that they will buy ... maybe they could put some kind of crisis ... for example, the collapse of the EU
      1. Manager
        Manager 13 December 2013 13: 35
        0
        Quote: 10kAzAk01
        EU collapse for example

        Dreams Dreams. But they are different realities. All around Russia are arming themselves. What does anyone have to borrow, or even for the last money. And we have rightly noted above 60 aircraft laid. God grant that there would be more of them. I do not argue that we have many other planes.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 13 December 2013 15: 33
          +8
          Quote: Manager
          I do not argue that we have many other planes.

          Yes, a lot, it was once
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 13 December 2013 15: 50
            +5
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Yes, a lot, it was once


            What's the point? Who will fly them? There are not enough pilots due to the lack of military schools

            Educational institutions that trained military pilots:

            Armavir VVAUL. 01.12.1940/XNUMX/XNUMX - now a branch of the Krasnodar VVAUL;
            Batay military school of pilots. Closed;
            Balashov VVAUL (1940 - Balashov Military School of Pilots). September 1939 - September 01.09.2002, XNUMX;
            Barnaul VVAUL. 18.08.1966/XNUMX/XNUMX - (?);
            Berdichev Military School of Pilots. Closed;
            Burma Military Aviation School - Leninsk-Kuznetsk. Closed;
            Bogai military school of pilots. Closed;
            Borisov Military Pilot School;
            Borisoglebsk VVAUL (1940 - Borisoglebsk Military Pilot School). December 1922 - today as a branch of the Krasnodar VVAUL;
            Military school of pilots 1 KA. Closed.
            Volochansk military school of pilots. Closed;
            Volskaya United Military School for Pilots and Aircraft. Closed;
            Voroshilovgrad military school of pilots. Closed;
            Gatchina aviation school. 1885 - 1924;
            Gomel military school of pilots. Closed;
            Yeisk VVAUL. July 1915 - our days;
            Ivanovo Higher School of Navigators and Aviation Pilots DD (long-range). Closed;
            Kaganovichsky military school of pilots. Closed;
            Kachinsky VVAUL (1940 - Kachinsky military school of pilots). 21.11.1910/06.11.1997/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX;
            Kirovabad Military Pilot School. Closed;
            Kovel military school of pilots. Closed;
            Konotop (aviation school?). Closed;
            Korosten military school of pilots. Closed;
            Krasnodar VVAUL (In 1940 - the military aviation school of letnabs and navigators). It is valid today .;
            Kupechsky military school of pilots. Closed;
            Lviv military school of pilots. Closed;
            Lugansk aviation school; Closed.
            Molotov Military School of Pilots. Closed;
            Nakhichevan military school of pilots. Closed;
            Novosibirsk military school of pilots. Closed;
            Odessa military school of pilots. Closed;
            Omsk military aviation school. Closed;
            Orenburg VVAUL. 1927 - 1993.
            Oster military school of pilots. Closed;
            Perm Aviation School. Closed
            Petrozavodsk military school of pilots. Closed;
            Pukhovichi Military Pilot School. Closed;
            Ryazan higher school of navigators and pilots of aviation DD (long-range). Closed;
            Saratov VVAUL. 1940 - 1991;
            Sasovskaya military school pilots. Closed;
            Sverdlovsk military school of pilots. Closed;
            Selishchensk Military Aviation School - Petropavlovsk. Closed;
            Serpukhov military school of pilots. Closed;
            Slonim military school of pilots. Closed;
            Stavropol VVAUL. 01.11.1969/1993/XNUMX - XNUMX.
            Stalingrad Military Aviation School. 1930 - 1943 (?);
            Stryisk military school pilots. Closed;
            Syzran VVAUL. March 1940 - our days.
            Taganrog Military Aviation School. 1940 - Omsk. Closed;
            Tambov VVAUL. 1954 - 1995.
            Tbilisi Military Pilot School. Closed;
            Totsk military school of pilots. Closed;
            Urechinskaya military school of pilots. Closed;
            Ufa VVAUL. 1986 - 1999.
            Kharkov VVAUL (In 1940 - the military aviation school of letnabs and navigators). Now - the University of the Air Force of Ukraine (?);
            Chernihiv VVAUL. 06.11.1940/30.11.1995/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
            Chita military school of pilots. Closed;
            Chkalov Military Aviation School. Closed;
            Chuguev Military Aviation School. Closed;
            Engels Military Aviation School. Reorganized into the Tambov VVAUL;
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 13 December 2013 18: 05
              +4
              Quote: Vadivak
              What's the point? Who will fly on them?

              That’s still shit.
            2. romanru4
              romanru4 13 December 2013 20: 52
              +2
              This is all right. Only if you open them again, then who do you propose to teach them?
            3. ty60
              ty60 14 December 2013 00: 00
              0
              And where does Ukraine? Cm Stryi, Berdichev?
              1. cayman gene
                cayman gene 14 December 2013 20: 22
                0
                Your brave Caudla on the Maidan may not have anything to do with it, but in this Berdichev Jews were soaked during the Second World War, God forbid.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 December 2013 16: 13
          +4
          Quote: Manager
          All around Russia are arming themselves. What does anyone have to borrow, or even for the last money.


          And we, as it turns out, are peaceful people, therefore we will play sports and other football.
          1. the polar
            the polar 13 December 2013 18: 30
            +3
            Quote: Vadivak
            Quote: Manager
            All around Russia are arming themselves. What does anyone have to borrow, or even for the last money.


            And we, as it turns out, are peaceful people, therefore we will play sports and other football.

            "Olympiads" we will brush aside
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          3. VADEL
            VADEL 14 December 2013 04: 41
            0
            "... Oh, let's play chess with scales ..." recourse
        3. Su24
          Su24 13 December 2013 19: 48
          0
          Quote: Manager
          Quote: 10kAzAk01
          EU collapse for example

          Dreams Dreams. But they are different realities. All around Russia are arming themselves. What does anyone have to borrow, or even for the last money. And we have rightly noted above 60 aircraft laid. God grant that there would be more of them. I do not argue that we have many other planes.


          PAK FA is not the only Russian aircraft. And the state order for 60 aircraft will not stop.
        4. alone
          alone 14 December 2013 00: 48
          +5
          Quote: Manager
          What does anyone have to borrow, or even for the last money.


          Norwegians will not pay for the aircraft in debt. The country is economically very strong.
        5. cdrt
          cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 09
          0
          Quote: Manager
          Quote: 10kAzAk01
          EU collapse for example

          Dreams Dreams. But they are different realities. All around Russia are arming themselves. What does anyone have to borrow, or even for the last money. And we have rightly noted above 60 aircraft laid. God grant that there would be more of them. I do not argue that we have many other planes.


          Is it possible with facts?
          Just compare at least the number of the main positions of the neighboring countries of the Russian Federation 10-15 years ago and now.
      2. Sterlya
        Sterlya 13 December 2013 13: 55
        +3
        Quote: 10kAzAk01
        are going to buy ... doesn’t mean that they will buy ... maybe they could put some kind of crisis ... for example, the collapse of the EU

        Norway is not a member of the EU. because they have oil. and a lot of fish. they do not need this EU.
        The Ukrainians need the EU. because they are Euro-Ukrainians
        And so the Norwegians are small dirty tricks. the democrats threw them into the second world. The USSR liberated, the loss of the Soviet army during the liberation. accounted for more than all the losses of Norway and its allies, including civilians in the territory of Norway for the entire war.
        They basically, like all Geyropeytsy, lay amicably under the Germans and did not blather
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 December 2013 16: 19
          +6
          Quote: Sterlya
          They basically, like all Geyropeytsy, lay amicably under the Germans and did not blather


          Your untruth. They had large partisan formations in the province of Finnmark, as many as 75 people, and on September 17, 1943 they even blew up the railway, and in August 1944, Oslogjengen fighters burned an aircraft hangar with 25 Messerschmitt German fighters. Well, something like this.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 13 December 2013 22: 02
            +4
            Quote: Sterlya
            They basically, like all Geyropeytsy, lay amicably under the Germans and did not blather
            In the early morning of April 9, 1940, a German strike group was approaching the Norwegian capital Oslo, which included the heavy cruiser Blucher, the battle cruiser Luttsov, the light cruiser Emden, 3 destroyers, 8 trawlers and 9 other ships with 2000 paratroopers. Oscar Borg. The invasion ships were blinded by searchlights and fired upon by coastal artillery. The Norwegian ships defending the port consisted of the minelayer Olav Tryggvason and two minesweepers. At dawn, two German minesweepers entered the mouth of the fiord to disembark their troops near the coastal batteries. Olav Tryggvason sank one of these minesweepers, but German forces landed and captured the batteries. However, the brave minelayer detained two German destroyers at the mouth of the fjord and damaged the cruiser Emden. An armed Norwegian whaling ship with one cannon immediately entered the battle with the invaders without any special order. His weapon was broken; the captain had both legs blown off. In order not to deprive his crew of fortitude, he rolled overboard and died a noble death. The main German forces, led by the heavy cruiser Blucher, have already entered the fiord, heading for the narrow part of the strait protected by the Oskarborg fortress.
            Norwegian batteries opened fire, and two torpedoes fired from the shore at a distance of five hundred yards hit their mark. The Blucher quickly sank with the senior officers of the German military administration and the Gestapo units on board. Other German ships, including the Lutzov, retreated. The damaged "Emden" did not take part in the sea battle anymore. The port of Oslo was eventually taken not from the sea, but from land by airborne troops and troops disembarked from ships in the fjord. Norwegian fighter aircraft managed to shoot down 5 German aircraft and was soon completely destroyed. The operation of 10 German destroyers to capture Narvik was supported by 2 line cruisers "Scharnhorst" and "Gneisenau". There were 2 Norwegian ships "Norge" and "Eidswold" in Narvik. A German officer approached them on a motor boat and demanded to surrender. The answer was short: "We attack." In a matter of minutes, "Eidswold "was destroyed by a hail of torpedoes. Soon the same fate befell the" Norge ". The road to the city was opened.Wow gay
            1. Sterlya
              Sterlya 13 December 2013 22: 47
              0
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              Quote: Sterlya
              They basically, like all Geyropeytsy, lay amicably under the Germans and did not blather
              In the early morning of April 9, 1940, a German strike group was approaching the Norwegian capital Oslo, which included the heavy cruiser Blucher, the battle cruiser Luttsov, the light cruiser Emden, 3 destroyers, 8 trawlers and 9 other ships with 2000 paratroopers. Oscar Borg. The invasion ships were blinded by searchlights and fired upon by coastal artillery. The Norwegian ships defending the port consisted of the minelayer Olav Tryggvason and two minesweepers. At dawn, two German minesweepers entered the mouth of the fiord to disembark their troops near the coastal batteries. Olav Tryggvason sank one of these minesweepers, but German forces landed and captured the batteries. However, the brave minelayer detained two German destroyers at the mouth of the fjord and damaged the cruiser Emden. An armed Norwegian whaling ship with one cannon immediately entered the battle with the invaders without any special order. His weapon was broken; the captain had both legs blown off. In order not to deprive his crew of fortitude, he rolled overboard and died a noble death. The main German forces, led by the heavy cruiser Blucher, have already entered the fiord, heading for the narrow part of the strait protected by the Oskarborg fortress.
              Norwegian batteries opened fire, and two torpedoes fired from the shore at a distance of five hundred yards hit their mark. The Blucher quickly sank with the senior officers of the German military administration and the Gestapo units on board. Other German ships, including the Lutzov, retreated. The damaged "Emden" did not take part in the sea battle anymore. The port of Oslo was eventually taken not from the sea, but from land by airborne troops and troops disembarked from ships in the fjord. Norwegian fighter aircraft managed to shoot down 5 German aircraft and was soon completely destroyed. The operation of 10 German destroyers to capture Narvik was supported by 2 line cruisers "Scharnhorst" and "Gneisenau". There were 2 Norwegian ships "Norge" and "Eidswold" in Narvik. A German officer approached them on a motor boat and demanded to surrender. The answer was short: "We attack." In a matter of minutes, "Eidswold "was destroyed by a hail of torpedoes. Soon the same fate befell the" Norge ". The road to the city was opened.Wow gay

              besides that they have almost zilch.
              there was still a Norwegian battalion in the SS Nord division. Norwegian volunteers in other fronts against the USSR.
              In the end, they fought against the USSR more than Norway. And of course, as part of the allied forces in Europe. which the Anglo-Saxons did not even let home when Soviet troops liberated northern Norway
            2. cayman gene
              cayman gene 14 December 2013 21: 36
              0
              I'll hit you on the collar, you fool. .
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 18
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            Quote: Sterlya
            They basically, like all Geyropeytsy, lay amicably under the Germans and did not blather


            Your untruth. They had large partisan formations in the province of Finnmark, as many as 75 people, and on September 17, 1943 they even blew up the railway, and in August 1944, Oslogjengen fighters burned an aircraft hangar with 25 Messerschmitt German fighters. Well, something like this.


            Well, another heavy water plant was blown up.
            Yes, and Finmark was released - it seems like up to 12 thousand Norwegians fought there
        2. Su24
          Su24 13 December 2013 19: 52
          0
          Quote: Sterlya
          Quote: 10kAzAk01
          are going to buy ... doesn’t mean that they will buy ... maybe they could put some kind of crisis ... for example, the collapse of the EU

          Norway is not a member of the EU. because they have oil. and a lot of fish. they do not need this EU.
          The Ukrainians need the EU. because they are Euro-Ukrainians
          And so the Norwegians are small dirty tricks. the democrats threw them into the second world. The USSR liberated, the loss of the Soviet army during the liberation. accounted for more than all the losses of Norway and its allies, including civilians in the territory of Norway for the entire war.
          They basically, like all Geyropeytsy, lay amicably under the Germans and did not blather


          Sorry, of course, but the Soviet troops did not occupy the territory of Norway during World War II.
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 13 December 2013 20: 36
            +2
            And who do you think? You need to know history.
          2. stariy
            stariy 13 December 2013 21: 13
            +2
            Quote: Su24
            The Great Patriotic War did not occupy the territory of Norway.

            In general, released !!!
          3. igor36
            igor36 13 December 2013 22: 06
            +2
            Quote: Su24
            but Soviet troops during the Great Patriotic War did not occupy the territory of Norway.

            The Petsamo-Kirkenes operation in 1944 ended with the liberation of Northern Norway.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 13 December 2013 23: 05
              +3
              ............................................................
            2. cdrt
              cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 21
              0
              Quote: igor36
              Quote: Su24
              but Soviet troops during the Great Patriotic War did not occupy the territory of Norway.

              The Petsamo-Kirkenes operation in 1944 ended with the liberation of Northern Norway.


              where even now lives ...? population.
              The Norwegians won the Finmark themselves (building on the success of our Kirkenes operation), but the whole north of Norway, even now, is 1,6% of the population
          4. Vadivak
            Vadivak 14 December 2013 11: 09
            +2
            Quote: Su24
            Sorry, of course, but the Soviet troops did not occupy the territory of Norway during World War II.


            The consequences of the exam?

            September 25, 1945 - the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Norway. Norwegians are grateful to us not only for liberation from the German occupation, but also for the "timely" return of troops to the Soviet Union. After all, what was the sin of concealing their fears that the USSR would attach East Finnmark to itself. “Thank you for coming and leaving.”
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 14
          0
          Quote: Sterlya
          Quote: 10kAzAk01
          are going to buy ... doesn’t mean that they will buy ... maybe they could put some kind of crisis ... for example, the collapse of the EU

          Norway is not a member of the EU. because they have oil. and a lot of fish. they do not need this EU.
          The Ukrainians need the EU. because they are Euro-Ukrainians
          And so the Norwegians are small dirty tricks. the democrats threw them into the second world. The USSR liberated, the loss of the Soviet army during the liberation. accounted for more than all the losses of Norway and its allies, including civilians in the territory of Norway for the entire war.
          They basically, like all Geyropeytsy, lay amicably under the Germans and did not blather



          You would take a look at the history of WWII and which parts of Norway the USSR liberated (part of the territory around the border with the USSR, where something lives around 0, XX% of the population ...
          The USSR fought for its Kola, Murmansk, and not the freedom of Norway.
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 13 December 2013 13: 34
      +1
      I have another question for the Norwegians "what will you eat after buying so many planes?"
      Oil and salmon. Dialectics, however: it turns out that it is profitable for us to drop world oil prices.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 13 December 2013 16: 22
        13
        Quote: samoletil18
        I have another question for the Norwegians "what will you eat after buying so many planes?"


        I will be responsible for the Norwegians. The best country in terms of living standards in 2012 is Norway. So don't worry about them. Their prime minister goes to work not in an armored Mercedes, but in a bicycle or a moped, and his "villa" is 120 sq. M. meters, in that picture
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 December 2013 16: 30
          +8
          Quote: Vadivak
          "villa" he has 120 sq. underground

          they’ll make fun of us like that.
          1. marmuzan
            marmuzan 14 December 2013 03: 55
            +2
            Kars 10500
            It was necessary to add pictures of possessions ...
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 13 December 2013 16: 31
        +6
        Quote: samoletil18
        "What will you eat after buying so many planes?"

        there. don’t worry .. these are their problems ....... we would have theirs problems with you laughing
        Quote: samoletil18
        Oil and salmon.

        With pleasure. And please .. oil .. for 3 wagons (in the wagon it seems 60 tons) and salmon per ton. wassat ... I will treat everyone .. and the adversaries of Ukraine’s entry into the EU and supporters. maybe you will find a solution at the table .... and the stoic will put a can of Armenian cognac0))))).
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 13 December 2013 13: 36
      +1
      Quote: Bashkaus
      lousy norway alone can confidently establish air supremacy over mother Russia

      The appointment of the F-35 is not suitable for gaining dominance in the air, rather it is a strike aircraft.
      Quote: Bashkaus
      I have another question for the Norwegians "what will you eat after buying so many planes?"

      There are still enough codfish in the Barents Sea.
      But honestly, I also do not understand, what for a goat button accordion.
      It is more like collecting tribute from your vassals. 20 years of the USSR is not and they all have a horror story.
      1. clidon
        clidon 13 December 2013 16: 20
        +4
        The appointment of the F-35 is not suitable for gaining dominance in the air, rather it is a strike aircraft.

        This is a universal machine - it may well be used as a clean fighter. He has such a configuration.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 13 December 2013 16: 27
        0
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        It is more like collecting tribute from your vassals.

        This element is naturally present.
        But do not forget that being under the tail of the owner, the Norgs chop off kilometers of the shelf and land (Spütsbergen). And they count on a lot more.
        Against this background, 10 lard is a glass of seeds.
        The game is worth the candle.
        Amusing is the price of waffles under $ 200 "cakes" per piece. with the initial 54-107.
        Of course it is clear that this and that and this are included.
        But still, the price is simply prohibitive.
        Not so long ago there was an article about regrets about the curtailment of the FU-22 production program and there flashed a crumble about the possibility of reducing the cost of FU-22 to the cost of FU-35. Let me remind you that the Pentagon wrote off about $ 22 "crap" for each FU-450.
        The conclusion from everything is Everything.
        Quote: Sterlya
        the democrats threw them into the second world. USSR freed

        A fantasy man.
        Norgi lost Nickel in the region of Pechenga-Luastari and Spütsbergen.
        Right now, they forgot everything and forgave a wider pocket!
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        rather it is a strike plane

        And for whom can the norgs strike, not the Chinese, right?
        1. clidon
          clidon 13 December 2013 17: 48
          +2
          Amusing is the price of waffles under $ 200 "cakes" per piece. with the initial 54-107.

          The price is not 200, but just about 100, it turns out that the Pentagon joyfully reports. They promised to reduce the F-22 to 145 million, with an order of 381 cars, that is, now it would cost 160 million.
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 27
          +2
          Quote: Papakiko
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          It is more like collecting tribute from your vassals.

          This element is naturally present.
          But do not forget that being under the tail of the owner, the Norgs chop off kilometers of the shelf and land (Spütsbergen). And they count on a lot more.
          Against this background, 10 lard is a glass of seeds.
          The game is worth the candle.
          Amusing is the price of waffles under $ 200 "cakes" per piece. with the initial 54-107.
          Of course it is clear that this and that and this are included.
          But still, the price is simply prohibitive.
          Not so long ago there was an article about regrets about the curtailment of the FU-22 production program and there flashed a crumble about the possibility of reducing the cost of FU-22 to the cost of FU-35. Let me remind you that the Pentagon wrote off about $ 22 "crap" for each FU-450.
          The conclusion from everything is Everything.
          Quote: Sterlya
          the democrats threw them into the second world. USSR freed

          A fantasy man.
          Norgi lost Nickel in the region of Pechenga-Luastari and Spütsbergen.
          Right now, they forgot everything and forgave a wider pocket!
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          rather it is a strike plane

          And for whom can the norgs strike, not the Chinese, right?


          That's so much.
          And to imagine that the Norwegians live in the neighborhood of a really dangerous and far from always adequate country weakly?
          Or is it that for them, both culturally, economically, and historically closer to the USA, the World Bank, and therefore they are not succeeding in an alliance with them?
          Is the template torn?
          It seems like a fact - we and Europeans are different. We will always be hostile, they will always gather against us against alliances.
          So it was, it is, it will be so.
          What does vassality have to do with it? Is it really so hard to understand that Europeans sincerely dislike Russians, Russians, Russia laughing
      3. Basarev
        Basarev 13 December 2013 17: 24
        -2
        Norway is simply a market for the United States. If the Norwegians had their own ambitions and aspirations, if they were really independent from the United States, they would develop their fifth generation aircraft.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 28
          +2
          Quote: Basarev
          Norway is simply a market for the United States. If the Norwegians had their own ambitions and aspirations, if they were really independent from the United States, they would develop their fifth generation aircraft.


          Strange logic.
          It turns out that since the country is not building its 5th generation plane, is it not independent ????
          Oh my God laughing
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz 13 December 2013 15: 37
      +6
      Quote: Bashkaus
      On the one hand, I understand that the modern military power of the NATO bloc countries is rather virtual than real: one small but very proud country is going to buy 50 new F35s, another 20, a third hundred ... I look at our state order with 60 PAKFA, then on the advertising booklet F35 and at heart it becomes so sad, it turns out that only lousy Norway can confidently establish air supremacy over Mother Russia, and even if the spolite speech is pulled up, they will tear a heating pad like a tuzik - it’s ridiculous honestly. I have another question for the Norwegians "what will you eat after buying so many planes?"

      Norway is a rich country, well, confuse them with the CSTO allies, except for the Cossacks. They themselves will pay a loan and gifts.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 13 December 2013 17: 26
        +1
        Yeah, we got troublesome allies ...
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 29
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          Yeah, we got troublesome allies ...


          This is not just allies, but parasites, fellow travelers
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 20 December 2013 18: 49
            0
            Here I am about the same thing - they just want us to do everything for them
    5. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 13 December 2013 16: 22
      0
      Quote: Bashkaus
      "What will you eat after buying so many planes?"

      They have oil. And there are not so many of them like us. So they (Stuk) will have enough salmon with caviar.
    6. Basarev
      Basarev 13 December 2013 17: 19
      +1
      However, it should be remembered that the F-35 is an aircraft for attacking ground targets and is never a fighter of air combat.
      1. clidon
        clidon 13 December 2013 17: 49
        +4
        He has a clean fighter configuration. So that and so it can.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 13 December 2013 21: 19
          +1
          Dude, you confuse the F-35 with the F-22. This F-22 can fight in the air. And the F-35 is only a purely anti-ground plane in three versions - a short take-off plane for the KMP, a deck anti-ground plane for the Navy and just an anti-ground plane for the Air Force . So I was right and the F-35 is not one iota a fighter of air combat
          1. clidon
            clidon 13 December 2013 22: 52
            +1
            I know what the F-22 is and I perfectly understand what the F-35 is. This is a versatile machine that may well act as a fighter. The word "anti-ground" is just your guess.
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 14 December 2013 13: 36
              -3
              You yourself don’t even believe that the F-35 is even a little suitable for air combat
              1. clidon
                clidon 17 December 2013 08: 48
                +1
                Why's that? Because Basarev said so? )
                1. Basarev
                  Basarev 20 December 2013 18: 42
                  0
                  Just because the Americans originally created it as an anti-ground plane. And the configuration of a clean fighter is a myth. Some still believe.
    7. silver_roman
      silver_roman 13 December 2013 18: 01
      +2
      Quote: Bashkaus
      bottom only lousy norway can confidently establish air supremacy over mother Russia


      Something I did not understand this. It's sarcasm???
      what the hell is dominance ???
      Quote: Bashkaus
      state order with 60 PAKFA

      it’s not the quantity of the aircraft in the order, but the timing of this order.
      You can place an order for 500 aircraft for 20 years, or you can order 60 aircraft each year. and where will the gain be?
    8. Cherdak
      Cherdak 13 December 2013 21: 23
      +2
      Quote: Bashkaus
      lousy norway alone can confidently establish air supremacy over mother Russia


      The chief of the General Staff specified that in 2013 the staffing of Russian troops with modern armaments and military equipment increased. In particular, up to 45% in the strategic nuclear forces, up to 62% in the Air and Space Defense Forces, up to 42% in the Air Force, up to 52% in the Navy and up to 21% in the Ground Forces.

      And comparing the F35 and T-50 is generally ridiculous. Different flight birds
      1. igor36
        igor36 14 December 2013 01: 18
        +1
        In the picture is the F-22 and T-50, where is the F-35?
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 14 December 2013 15: 38
          -1
          On the upper comparison F22 and F35, on the lower F22 and T-50 (Su-50) - from American sources
          1. Windbreak
            Windbreak 14 December 2013 18: 42
            +2
            Is Air Power Australia with Carlo Kopp an American source?
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 14 December 2013 20: 52
              0
              Quote: Burel
              Is Air Power Australia with Carlo Kopp an American source?

              But what if the American source is the ultimate truth?
    9. marmuzan
      marmuzan 14 December 2013 03: 49
      +3
      Bashkaus I repeat: The population of Norway is 4,5 million,BUT she is not "lousy norway" they have GAS ... which they supply to almost all of Europe
  5. samoletil18
    samoletil18 13 December 2013 13: 35
    +2
    This circumstance is not happy.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 13 December 2013 17: 30
      -4
      Why is it so sad? There are less than 4 million Norwegians - people can’t cut taxes on the population anymore. And yet it is taxes that are the main source of budget revenues. Thus, the Norwegians will certainly pay 10 lard ... Only after that they will remain on the beans and serve the planes there’s nothing to do with it. Well, some kind of oil is a trifle. In Europe, where Gazprom and Rosneft dominate, there isn’t much to trade the Norwegians. And in Asia there is plenty of oil.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 32
        +1
        Quote: Basarev
        Why is it so sad? There are less than 4 million Norwegians - people can’t cut taxes on the population anymore. And yet it is taxes that are the main source of budget revenues. Thus, the Norwegians will certainly pay 10 lard ... Only after that they will remain on the beans and serve the planes there’s nothing to do with it. Well, some kind of oil is a trifle. In Europe, where Gazprom and Rosneft dominate, there isn’t much to trade the Norwegians. And in Asia there is plenty of oil.


        This is how people from parallel reality, and still not able to read, get into commentators? laughing
  6. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 December 2013 13: 37
    -1
    Haha, we’ve played some kind of show for idiots, we won’t buy, but where you go, of course you buy.
  7. Flibustiero
    Flibustiero 13 December 2013 13: 41
    +5
    I see a good plane! But I think that NATO members have their own unspoken agreement to buy military equipment from each other, so this news should not be surprised :)
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 13 December 2013 16: 27
      0
      Quote: Flibustiero
      I see a good plane

      Funny ...!
      Well, if I see a good samol (near NAPO) of Novosibirsk, then every month or two I watch a Su-34s fly out of a window, and even at Moscow exhibitions, but here it is completely dark. Secrecy is nonsense, let the grandmother tolerate, wish tomorrow!
    2. Bagatur
      Bagatur 13 December 2013 19: 14
      +4
      Sure! Always politics ... Why was the whole of Eastern Europe drawn into NATO? Now the pressure is "interoperability"! Their mother! Nothing personally, just business !! At the same time, it is very profitable ... ved calculate what days you need that one small country has switched to their standard ... and then a bigger dobich for the service, etc. They bought a Eurocopter from us, and the Mi171 is an order of magnitude better and cheaper! Now it's just about maintaining 500 euros a year for a car. With this, only for the parade ... there is no search and rescue or any other weapons ... an iron! They are looking for equipment for 000 for a car ... and have already paid 2 million for nothing worthy of turntables ...
    3. Cherdak
      Cherdak 13 December 2013 21: 31
      0
      Quote: Flibustiero
      NATO members have their unspoken purchase agreement


      They themselves understand everything.
  8. Leshka
    Leshka 13 December 2013 14: 34
    +3
    when we will already receive our PAK FA sad
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 13 December 2013 16: 34
      +2
      Quote: Leshka
      when we will already receive our PAK FA

      The first serial in 5 years. Well, those who can already fight if that. And until then we will listen about successful tests, weapons, weapon control systems, radar, etc. smile
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 13 December 2013 17: 32
        -1
        It should also be remembered that the PAK FA program is very young - it is about 5 years old, and there are already several flight prototypes and state tests are underway. So we will receive the planes on time
        1. clidon
          clidon 13 December 2013 17: 52
          +6
          The PAKFA program is 11 years old. And it is being postponed for a fourth time already ... But by 2019-2020 I think that primary combat readiness will be achieved. Completely finalized by 2022mu.
  9. Altona
    Altona 13 December 2013 14: 36
    +2
    Norway seems to want to buy these planes as easily as possible for the budget ... What are they for? I personally do not understand ... We seem to have a good air defense system in the northwest, which we will again strengthen from the Belarusian direction, so we will see these planes anyway ... We also have MiG-31 intercept fighters in the north, which "birdie" is also in the teeth ... Well, they bought and bought, they will probably "scare" us with their purchase ...
    1. Su24
      Su24 13 December 2013 20: 19
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Norway seems to want to buy these planes as easily as possible for the budget ... What are they for? I personally do not understand ... We seem to have a good air defense system in the northwest, which we will again strengthen from the Belarusian direction, so we will see these planes anyway ... We also have MiG-31 intercept fighters in the north, which "birdie" is also in the teeth ... Well, they bought and bought, they will probably "scare" us with their purchase ...


      Norway intercepts our bombers when flying over the North Atlantic. And they bought it because they are a member of NATO, i.e. pursue a common policy for the alliance.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 35
        +1
        Quote: Su24
        Quote: Altona
        Norway seems to want to buy these planes as easily as possible for the budget ... What are they for? I personally do not understand ... We seem to have a good air defense system in the northwest, which we will again strengthen from the Belarusian direction, so we will see these planes anyway ... We also have MiG-31 intercept fighters in the north, which "birdie" is also in the teeth ... Well, they bought and bought, they will probably "scare" us with their purchase ...


        Norway intercepts our bombers when flying over the North Atlantic. And they bought it because they are a member of NATO, i.e. pursue a common policy for the alliance.


        Well ... maybe because they think it's a good plane laughing
        the best that is on the market for their needs
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 13 December 2013 21: 33
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Norway seems to want to buy these planes as easy as possible for the budget ...
  10. pensioner
    pensioner 13 December 2013 14: 42
    -4
    Norwegian parliament approved additional purchase of F-35A Lightning-2 fighter jets
    Yes, in any case, after 5-6 years of their operation, they will run into a jump and try to sell them to everyone. At least for how much. Not so rich country Norway.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 13 December 2013 17: 33
      +3
      It will be fun to see the bidding of Norway and Equatorial Guinea
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 35
      0
      Quote: retired
      Norwegian parliament approved additional purchase of F-35A Lightning-2 fighter jets
      Yes, in any case, after 5-6 years of their operation, they will run into a jump and try to sell them to everyone. At least for how much. Not so rich country Norway.


      About Norway's Wealth - google ban ??? laughing
  11. RBLip
    RBLip 13 December 2013 14: 45
    +3
    But can Norway still present a cruiser? Well, conditional, Ukraine? can then they go on a fish diet? like that I caught it and I’m eating. the rich.
    1. marmuzan
      marmuzan 14 December 2013 04: 02
      -1
      RBLip Norway supplies FROZEN 80% of its fish to Russia and Ukraine.
      So draw conclusions ...
  12. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 13 December 2013 14: 49
    +2
    I like the price. Only a little more expensive than the Su-30, but the technological level of the machine is completely different, and indeed our equipment is traditionally cheaper.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 13 December 2013 18: 45
      +4
      Quote: ilya_oz
      I like the price. Only a little more expensive than the Su-30, but the technological level of the machine is completely different, and indeed our equipment is traditionally cheaper.

      Well, actually, the Su-30cm is a heavy multi-purpose fighter-bomber. The class, as you understand it, is different, two engines, a double, a range two times higher, etc.
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 13 December 2013 21: 35
      0
      Quote: ilya_oz
      Only a little more expensive than the Su-30



      And what a fat!
  13. propolsky
    propolsky 13 December 2013 14: 54
    +5
    And why should we spare the Norwegians? Let them buy!
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 13 December 2013 15: 28
      +5
      Quote: propolsky
      And why should we spare the Norwegians?

      Why feel sorry for them, they are buying a modern multi-functional aircraft, which should significantly increase the country's defense capability.
  14. Yeraz
    Yeraz 13 December 2013 15: 42
    +6
    Strangely enough, strange people are sitting here. Why buy airplanes? How do they increase the defense capability of their state?
    This is like a tribute from its vassals. Yeah, it’s better how Russia gives weapons and oil to its CSTO allies. The USA is dumber than Russia.
    What will they eat and all sorts of crap. Is they at least familiar with the Norwegian economy ???
    It would be better to discuss something else, PAKFA, as it was on The best of the best paper, remains so.
  15. Sax
    Sax 13 December 2013 16: 16
    +3
    ShturmKGB
    Not. The highways that are made for Russia will serve Russia, and these aircraft will serve NATO i.e. USA, do you feel the difference?

    And you did not try to understand that the Norwegians identify themselves as NATO, and rightly believe that these planes will serve them?
  16. Sax
    Sax 13 December 2013 16: 18
    +2
    Quote: retired
    Not so rich country Norway.

    One of the richest in the world per capita wink
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 13 December 2013 17: 02
      0
      Quote: Sax
      One of the richest in the world per capita

      Well, why are we blinking? I suspect that I knew this before you were born. Your dream is impossible, I feel ...
  17. Sax
    Sax 13 December 2013 16: 22
    +3
    Quote: Altona
    Well, they bought and bought, they will probably "scare" us with their purchase ...

    Have you already seen such an official info somewhere?


    Quote: Altona
    We also have MiG-31 intercept fighters in the north, which are too tough for this "birdie" ...

    This is much more like a threat to someone’s address. Don't you think?
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 38
      0
      Quote: Sax
      Quote: Altona
      We also have MiG-31 intercept fighters in the north, which are too tough for this "birdie" ...
      This is much more like a threat to someone’s address. Don't you think?


      This is not a threat.
      This pret aggression, which, as you know, is infused by an inferiority complex in a person.
  18. Altona
    Altona 13 December 2013 16: 38
    +3
    Quote: Sax
    This is much more like a threat to someone’s address. Don't you think?

    ------------------------------
    A threat? Really? It's just that they have good aviation ... There are Swedes nearby with an aircraft building in the form of SAAB, could they buy Grippens ... And so it looks like their claims in the Arctic ...
  19. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 13 December 2013 16: 39
    +3
    How this Lightyear was dear and dear and does not know how, but after him it’s a turn to earn a lot of their rubles.
    1. clidon
      clidon 13 December 2013 17: 53
      +1
      So who is that? Lockheed and the Pentagon praises.
  20. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 13 December 2013 17: 48
    0
    Quote: Vadivak
    As for the fact that F-35s will not be purchased by the Russian Federation, (at least a few) can only be regretted, they would be very useful
    In what capacity? Detailed research and subsequent resale to our Chinese "comrades" for a more thorough copy ... fellow
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 14 December 2013 18: 40
      +1
      Quote: Prapor-527
      Quote: Vadivak
      As for the fact that F-35s will not be purchased by the Russian Federation, (at least a few) can only be regretted, they would be very useful
      In what capacity? Detailed research and subsequent resale to our Chinese "comrades" for a more thorough copy ... fellow


      Well, there is no generation of this aircraft (light-medium FI) and there will not be another 20 years.
  21. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 13 December 2013 18: 54
    +6
    Quote: samoletil18
    I have another question for the Norwegians "what will you eat after buying so many planes?"
    Oil and salmon. Dialectics, however: it turns out that it is profitable for us to drop world oil prices.



    I was in Norway in 2013. A very rich country, the standard of living of the population seemed to me very high. In the countryside there is not a single hut, all the houses are what we call "cottages". Everything is very clean and well maintained everywhere. A sort of capitalist communism. There is almost no industry; they live off the oil produced in the sea and fish from there. Obsessed with nature conservation. She is very beautiful there. Norwegians appreciate it and make money on tourism. For us, the fall in oil and gas prices (they are tied together) is not profitable and even catastrophic, since more than half of the national income (like 52 percent) in Russia is formed from the income from their sale. In addition, excise taxes from the sale of petroleum products within Russia go entirely to the budget. Since the influence of the president and prime minister on the Russian economy tends to zero, expect an increase in gasoline and diesel prices. fuel, up to European. And there they are (I drove around the Baltic Sea on "Kalina") from 1,3 euros (Poland) to 1,8 euros (Germany - Norway).
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      Nu daaaa ... 14 December 2013 03: 14
      0
      Izvinite, popravlju nemnogo, tak kak tam chasto byvaju- jest u nih i promyšlennost. I voennuju tehniku ​​delajut- Kongsberg (NASAMS ZRK) naprimer. Aker Yards, Veidekke, Jotun, Moelven Industrier itd-mnogo u nih predprijatei.
  22. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 13 December 2013 19: 04
    +7
    I served there. Norgs live well and their army is at least tiny, but very, very well provided.
    In addition to NATO.
    We are on the provision of - in the Stone Age. Sad but true.
    From the purchase of aircraft, they will not get worse, do not be fooled.
    We, in fact, need to get used to face the truth. To be honest...
    1. kare
      kare 13 December 2013 20: 53
      -1
      Ie how he served in the troops of Nato?
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 13 December 2013 23: 27
        +2
        kare
        Well, why so? On the border...
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  24. kare
    kare 13 December 2013 20: 50
    +1
    Quote: Sterlya
    they have oil. and a lot of fish

    the fish have been breaking off the last month. The factories are standing. Storm, the watchmen didn’t see it there. In the last ten years they have been hunting more and more with the fact that the Russians gave them the fish at sunset. Now everything has changed, yearning. And who will fly there on the 35, honestly I know. The people are hefty dark. Their princess canal under the saint. Talking with some spirits. And across the country, atrocious advertising against Russia. Although the old ladies still remember the Russians well. In honor there are animals from Chechnya, armor, Poles - these live happily ever after on allowance.
  25. AVV
    AVV 13 December 2013 21: 57
    +1
    Quote: Polar
    Quote: Basarev
    6 planes a year is not even funny

    We do not have 6 "fifth generation" aircraft yet.

    They will be! Moscow wasn’t built right away !!! Now pre-serial settings are underway, testing of all systems running in! But the engine will also be new! Therefore, everything is ahead! Let them bring it to mind, it’s better than sending complaints then, an example, mace!!!
  26. rolik2
    rolik2 13 December 2013 23: 56
    +2
    F-35A s / n AF-41, the hundredth "Lightning II".




  27. scientist
    scientist 14 December 2013 00: 23
    +1
    F-35 flights in close proximity to the borders of Russia are a good opportunity for training combat crews of the S-300, REB-S and aviation. I don’t think that they can really threaten, because just one salvo of the Iskander’s division is enough to ensure that all these planes remain forever in their airfields in the form of metal.
    1. clidon
      clidon 14 December 2013 00: 34
      +1
      Well, only if these "Iskanders" are dropped into Norway ...
      1. marmuzan
        marmuzan 14 December 2013 04: 12
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        clidon lol У scientist problems probably with geography, and TTX Iskander
    2. igor36
      igor36 14 December 2013 01: 56
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      Quote: scientist
      after all, one salvo of the Iskander division is enough to ensure that all these aircraft remain forever at their airfields in the form of metal.

      Alas, this is unlikely. Iskander has a range of 500 km, from which it follows that from our territory a target can only be hit in Northern Norway to Tromso, in this area there is only one Bardufoss air base on which the 139 air wing equipped with helicopters is based. But this is not scary, it will be necessary to find how to get them.
  28. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 14 December 2013 08: 53
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    Quote: igor36
    Alas, this is unlikely. Iskander has a range of 500 km, from which it follows that from our territory a target can only be hit in Northern Norway to Tromso, in this area there is only one Bardufoss air base on which the 139 air wing equipped with helicopters is based. But this is not scary, it will be necessary to find how to get them.

    Here you are funny a))) googloed and wikipedia ... so the general staff told you all their gadgets, my neighbor returned from the army, he says that the Iskandera guarded almost all the service on catalytic trains in Karelia
    1. igor36
      igor36 16 December 2013 22: 25
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      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      Here you are funny a))) google eaters and wikipedia ...

      Dear under-google before writing comments on serious sites
      a) learn geography at least in high school
      b) learn politeness (you can get a ban in the end)
      I don’t know from my neighbor, I served myself and studied the basing of the troops of a potential enemy.
      PS Is it not possible to hear from a neighbor that, according to the instructions of the General Staff in wartime, the value of Pi can reach four? laughing