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“Russia is not able to conduct a full-fledged military rivalry with NATO”

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According to media reports, a collegium of the Ministry of Defense was held the other day with the participation of President Vladimir Putin. The head of state stressed the importance of strengthening the country's defense in the Arctic region.


Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Konstantin Nikolaevich Sokolov commented on KM.RU issues related to the presence of Russia in the Arctic.

Between transnational structures there is a struggle for the natural resources of the Arctic

Special attention to enhancing our capabilities in the Arctic region reflects the key problems of world politics. At present, there is a rivalry between large transnational structures that are fighting for the right to develop the natural resources of the Arctic. In this vein, we see a lot of events. For example, you can recall the attack of the so-called environmentalists on our platform. In my opinion, there was not a single person with an environmental education. Showed and journalists, and volunteers, and someone else. But this is not environmentalists at all. I believe that this is a seizure group that went to our platform to do a provocation. That is, we see that power actions have already begun.

It will be necessary to restore order in the Arctic region with the use of a show of force. However, Russia is not in a position to conduct full-fledged military rivalry with the NATO bloc, and our demonstration of power will be very limited. To lead such a confrontation, you need to do almost impossible things. It is necessary to restore the education system, which will provide personnel for our defense industry and the armed forces. It is necessary to restore the industry, the production of components, because we have lost our technological independence.

The country's general economic situation is not such as to radically change the balance of power with the West. We see that the United States spends more on defense than the rest of the world. It is clear that this is done in order to achieve political goals, relying on force. After all, this is not necessarily a direct war: we can talk about simply the threat of the use of force. It seems to me that now activity in the Arctic region will increase. Russia will provide at least demonstrative measures to strengthen its presence.

Our army is more police oriented.

When Shoigu in the army there have been positive developments. Under Serdyukov, everything that had any value was sold under the hammer: the premises of the Academy, various educational institutions. They, by the way, moved with the loss of personnel. I am not talking about the reform connected with the transition of the army to the brigade system. Under Serdyukov, direct blows were made to all remnants of our defense system, crushing things were done.

With the arrival of Shoigu, the situation has changed for the better. But we must understand that our armed forces are not focused on the country's defense in an interstate clash, but on the fight against so-called international terrorism. This is evident in the exercise scenarios. And what is international terrorism, which the army is fighting? This is a rebel, partisan movement. That is, our armed forces are more oriented towards the performance of police functions and, to a lesser extent, towards the defense of the country against those who were previously called the likely adversary. Now these are probably “probable friends” with whom we fight in the Arctic.

By itself, the defense of the country from the NATO bloc has not been secured for a long time. Even the deterrence functions that our strategic nuclear forces have always performed are gradually being lost. New opportunities have appeared for delivering a quick disarming strike with cruise missiles, and the capabilities of the US missile defense are being intensively increased. And all this together reduces the ability of nuclear deterrence on the part of Russia to an insignificant amount.
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  1. Ihrek
    Ihrek 14 December 2013 08: 05 New
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    I think it is a matter of time. And in the Arctic, now we can engage in full-fledged military rivalry. All NATO has no such icebreaker fleet. And the Red Banner Northern Fleet is very combat ready.
    1. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 14 December 2013 08: 16 New
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      And the Red Banner Northern Fleet is very combat ready.

      I generally believe that it is in the Arctic that it is only able to oppose something ..... and do not forget that they have practically no icebreakers ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 08: 56 New
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        Quote: 10kAzAk01
        ..and do not forget that they have practically no icebreakers ...

        They don’t really have anything there, they didn’t need the Arctic until they found oil. There are dozens of similar articles on the Internet. NATO’s fighting ability is in general a big question, they don’t want to fight, and the United States will fart in the world to protect its interests.
        1. Mitek
          Mitek 14 December 2013 09: 10 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: 10kAzAk01
          ..and do not forget that they have practically no icebreakers ...

          They don’t really have anything there, they didn’t need the Arctic until they found oil. There are dozens of similar articles on the Internet. NATO’s fighting ability is in general a big question, they don’t want to fight, and the United States will fart in the world to protect its interests.

          Alexander, you are absolutely right. Moreover, after the reductions of the European armies, the task of reaching the English Channel in a few days is not so impossible. And the combat effectiveness of our aircraft in the article is VERY downplayed. Unfortunately, now in the internet there are tons of articles by unfortunate analysts who did not serve, did not study, but who read all crap and think of themselves as Napoleons at least.
          1. hrych
            hrych 14 December 2013 09: 47 New
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            Apparently, training launches of ICBMs, flights of strategists, deployment of stations of the Voronezh type are directed against international terrorists, according to the author. Then it was more correct to say that all this was directed against the main sponsors of the terrorists.
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            2. CTEPX
              CTEPX 14 December 2013 16: 39 New
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              From the article: It is necessary to restore the education system, which will provide personnel for our defense industry and the armed forces. We need to restore industry, the production of components, because we have lost our technological independence.
              Nothing wrong with the article about the RF Armed Forces. And you are right - something is being done. But few, few. To have time)).
              And, by the way, the information war, it is also a war.
            3. SV
              SV 15 December 2013 16: 28 New
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              The main country - the terrorist
          2. VADEL
            VADEL 14 December 2013 10: 16 New
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            Quote: Mitek
            they are articles of unfortunate analysts who did not serve, did not study, but who read all crap and think of themselves as Napoleons at least.

            Nevertheless, ALL bravely want to get to the La Mancha. They just sleep in flippers. recourse request
          3. Alex 57
            Alex 57 14 December 2013 10: 26 New
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            Dear, go down to the ground about what combat readiness of the sun are you talking about? Take off your pink glasses and without them take a look at our miserable Army. After Taburetkin and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief who successfully ruined our once-beautiful army, decades were needed to reach the level of at least the 80s. Oh, it’s a shame for the Power!
            1. Mitek
              Mitek 14 December 2013 12: 16 New
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              Quote: Alex 57
              Dear, go down to the ground about what combat readiness of the sun are you talking about? Take off your pink glasses and without them take a look at our miserable Army. After Taburetkin and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief who successfully ruined our once-beautiful army, decades were needed to reach the level of at least the 80s. Oh, it’s a shame for the Power!

              Your poor army? Are you from latvia or some thread of eZZtonia? Did you even serve ?? If they did serve (which I strongly doubt), then they certainly would not have written such nonsense. It looks like a gem of a kitchen strategist-graduate student about "poor soldiers" and "fool-commanders". Of course, our Army is weaker than in the USSR, but you will probably be surprised - to my great regret, the USSR is already gone. And our Army is able to compete on an equal footing with the main enemy, the Amers and NATO.
              1. patsantre
                patsantre 14 December 2013 15: 11 New
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                Quote: Mitek
                And our Army is able to compete on equal terms with the main enemy-amers and NATO.

                Great.
            2. Reyngard
              Reyngard 14 December 2013 19: 56 New
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              Correctly! I talk with young guys at work — no one will go to fight for Pu and Me.
              1. 10kAzAk01
                10kAzAk01 14 December 2013 21: 35 New
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                Right! I talk with young guys at work - no one will go to fight for Pu and Me

                Yes, our grandfathers and fathers always fought for families, and not for our rulers ....
                1. VOLCHOXURAL
                  VOLCHOXURAL 14 December 2013 22: 24 New
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                  Quote: 10kAzAk01
                  Right! I talk with young guys at work - no one will go to fight for Pu and Me

                  Yes, our grandfathers and fathers always fought for families, and not for our rulers ....

                  Yeah .. !!! Or some kind of fool who for some reason thinks that we are not going to fight for our homeland and families, but only for some specific "acting duties"! Or a mischievous pest, corrupting the consciousness of our youth - S U K A !!!
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 15 December 2013 02: 32 New
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                    Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
                    Quote: 10kAzAk01
                    Right! I talk with young guys at work - no one will go to fight for Pu and Me

                    Yes, our grandfathers and fathers always fought for families, and not for our rulers ....

                    Yeah .. !!! Or some kind of fool who for some reason thinks that we are not going to fight for our homeland and families, but only for some specific "acting duties"! Or a mischievous pest, corrupting the consciousness of our youth - S U K A !!!


                    Only mercenaries fight for the regime, and the warrior fights for the Home good (From me plus)
              2. konvalval
                konvalval 14 December 2013 23: 05 New
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                Neither for PU nor for ME nor for BE are fighting. They are fighting for their homeland. And those guys are either fools or ...
              3. bif
                bif 15 December 2013 04: 42 New
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                Quote: Reyngard
                Right! At work, I communicate with young guys.

                Strange work ...
                Quote: Reyngard
                no one will go to fight for Pu and Me.

                Strange values ​​...
                Do not worry, they don’t take them into the army.
              4. SV
                SV 15 December 2013 16: 34 New
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                They are fighting not for "Pu and Me" and especially not for people like you, but for their land, children and parents ...
          4. I do not care
            I do not care 14 December 2013 11: 09 New
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            Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences (1998); born 31 on January 1953 in the city of Leningrad; graduated from the Leningrad Institute of Aviation Instrumentation in 1976, candidate of technical sciences; he worked in a number of research organizations in Leningrad and Moscow: engineer, junior researcher, senior researcher, deputy general director, chairman of the institute; 1994 — 2000 — assistant to a deputy of the State Duma of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation; main research interests: methodology of system research and its application to natural science and social problems, theoretical studies of the spiritual sphere of society, nature and historical processes of the formation of secular and religious ideological systems, and the implementation in the construction of the state and public relations system.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 14 December 2013 11: 52 New
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              Quote: me by
              Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences (1998); born 31 on January 1953 in the city of Leningrad; graduated from the Leningrad Institute of Aviation Instrumentation in 1976, candidate of technical sciences; he worked in a number of research organizations in Leningrad and Moscow: engineer, junior researcher, senior researcher, deputy general director, chairman of the institute; 1994 — 2000 — assistant to a deputy of the State Duma of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation; main research interests: methodology of system research and its application to natural science and social problems, theoretical studies of the spiritual sphere of society, nature and historical processes of the formation of secular and religious ideological systems, and the implementation in the construction of the state and public relations system.
              - RANS? Russian Academy of Natural Sciences? A sort of parallel RAS pseudoscientific structure? Everything with this sokolov is clear - he is still "isperd". You need to be able to fight in the Arctic - it has its own specifics. The usual fleet is out of business there without a developed icebreaker fleet. Ironically, the greatest danger in the event of a war in the Arctic will not be the Americans, but the Finns. And maybe Canadians. We have already encountered the Finns in the north, but it is not pleasant, to be honest. So don't get too deeply into the opinions of all these falcons. Such falcons screamed at one time that Syria was still going nuts, and the Russians had better recall the fleet from the waters of the Middle Sea, because the Americans would sink that fleet once or twice. We see that everything is fine, Russia is not at all such a poor and wretched stepdaughter, but a powerful and strong, rather advanced state.
              1. cherkas.oe
                cherkas.oe 14 December 2013 13: 53 New
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                Quote: aksakal
                Everything with this sokolov is clear - he is still "iskperd".

                When I was studying (for a long time), we also had Sokolov as deputy rector for AHCh, but in fact his last name was ShMULENSON.
                1. Genur
                  Genur 14 December 2013 17: 24 New
                  0
                  The bulk of these "virtues" are camouflaged under Russian surnames. Let's be vigilant.
              2. mountain
                mountain 14 December 2013 19: 03 New
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                Aksakal (2) I completely agree with you and add that we also know how to fight.
          5. I do not care
            I do not care 14 December 2013 11: 10 New
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            Hu you mr. Falcons? -0 without /
            1. old rocket man
              old rocket man 14 December 2013 11: 41 New
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              Quote: me by
              Hu you mr. Falcons? -0 without /

              From the opinion of such "experts" actively promoted by the media, a negative image of society about the state of our Armed Forces is formed. It is necessary to understand that the army has its own, so to speak, "undercover" groupings associated with various power and industrial circles that persecute their narrow interests, often having nothing to do with the interests of the army and the country. At the same time, our main problem is hushed up - the weakness of communications, and the almost complete absence of infrastructure in the alleged remote theaters of operations.
              The trouble with the "Serdyukov" reform is not so much the defeat of the generals (who suffered least of all, by the way) as the destruction of the logistical support of the troops, military transport aviation and links of operational and tactical leadership of the troops.
              History has many examples when well-armed and trained armies were defeated due to the lack of full-fledged support for combat activities and operational leadership am
              1. SV
                SV 15 December 2013 16: 45 New
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                History has many examples when well-armed and trained armies were defeated due to the lack of full-fledged support for combat activities and operational leadership
                - 1941, for example ... By the way, Shoigu voiced this problem ...
            2. Grbear
              Grbear 14 December 2013 20: 18 New
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              Recently I got into the habit of "driving authors" into a search engine. Third line from the top.
              . Immediately I will disappoint the fans of the academy - the Academy of Geopolitical Problems is a non-profit public organization, and the word academy is just ...

              I didn’t read further.
          6. Reyngard
            Reyngard 14 December 2013 19: 52 New
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            Are you sure? In my shallow opinion, the ground forces are not capable of anything at all. There are, of course, riot police and other SOBRs ... But they are not capable of anything except beating their own fellow citizens.
            1. SV
              SV 15 December 2013 16: 50 New
              0
              After Georgia, from wheels, without rear, with small forces - to the ladies!
          7. saber1357
            saber1357 15 December 2013 00: 37 New
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            I completely agree about the Napoleons. I think VO just publishes this kind of "analytics" (I didn't insert a hyphen, and everything is clear ...) just to see our reaction. If we see that bullshit is bullshit, then everything is in order. I especially liked "New possibilities of delivering a quick disarming strike with cruise missiles have appeared, the capabilities of the US missile defense are being intensively increased." Uhhh covered with snow, as if the "analyst" does not read anything except the media2.net when writing his "articles" (right now on the right side of this site I saw an advertisement "The Americans showed something that makes the veins shake"). So probably this affluor composes its scribbles on the basis of yellow press advertising burps ...
        2. Clegg
          Clegg 14 December 2013 10: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          NATO's combat readiness in general is a big question

          But the combat capability of Russia?

          Of the NATO countries, France can be noted, which is constantly fighting in Africa.
          1. I do not care
            I do not care 14 December 2013 11: 13 New
            +6
            A foreign legion is fighting - the regular army has not really fought since Napoleon laughing
            1. creak
              creak 14 December 2013 11: 20 New
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              And in World War I, for example, only the Foreign Legion also fought, or did the regular army also take part?
              1. largus886
                largus886 14 December 2013 12: 57 New
                +3
                And that many fought.
              2. vostok1982
                vostok1982 14 December 2013 13: 08 New
                +1
                This is where the color of France died. Only those survived who surrendered the country in 1940 without a fight. Many people in the colonies spent the whole war, and then came to Europe as "victors".
                1. iulai
                  iulai 14 December 2013 15: 57 New
                  +3
                  Yes, when signing the surrender, Field Marshal Keitel was surprised and asked, did France really defeat us?
                  1. VOLCHOXURAL
                    VOLCHOXURAL 14 December 2013 17: 11 New
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                    Quote: iulai
                    Yes, when signing the surrender, Field Marshal Keitel was surprised and asked, did France really defeat us?

                    Yes, of course! They are the first winners! Well after the USA and Britain of course! And after them - Poland, Norway, Romania, Greece, Ethiopia, Honduras, and ... and again the USA and Britain. fellow And what, is anyone else? request wassat (WW2 story, English version) laughing
            2. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 14 December 2013 11: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: me by
              A foreign legion is fighting - the regular army has not really fought since Napoleon

              Can you comment on this expression: "a miracle on the Marne"?
        3. Tersky
          Tersky 14 December 2013 11: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, they don’t really have anything there, they didn’t need the Arctic until they found oil.

          According to estimates by the US Geological Survey, almost a third of all the world's hydrocarbon deposits are concentrated on the Arctic shelf, laughing ! Isn't it a paradox? And the casket just opens. Oil and gas on the shelf are shallow, much closer to the surface than on land. There is much more oil and gas under the bottom of the Pacific or Indian Ocean, but we have not yet learned how to drill from a platform swaying on waves three to five kilometers above the bottom. As soon as the USA GS learns right there, it concocts a new forecast where exactly the world's hydrocarbon reserves are concentrated. In the meantime, it is convenient for the states to consider that almost all of the oil and gas on Earth is on the Arctic shelf, this adds meaning to the struggle for claiming the shelf. Yes, and most importantly, it justifies the cost of it, you need to cut it. wink ! So in the near future, in spite of the stormy protests of the penguins, we are preparing for the US sovereignization of Antarctica! laughing!
      2. Sharingan
        Sharingan 14 December 2013 10: 26 New
        +8
        Americans are building an aircraft carrier faster than we are a frigate. So riveting icebreakers is not a problem for them at all. Just before there was no need.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 14 December 2013 10: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: Sharingan
          Americans are building an aircraft carrier faster than we are a frigate. So riveting icebreakers is not a problem for them at all. Just before there was no need.


          Already riveted request
          1. askort154
            askort154 14 December 2013 11: 35 New
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            And Us Rat .... Already riveted

            I don’t know about riveting. But judging by how two years ago, the Americans were
            We are forced to ask us for help, so that our icebreaker will conduct fuel ships to Alaska, the situation is different. It turns out that the icebreaker you presented on video is the only and only icebreaker in the United States. And it could not break through to Alaska on its own. Our icebreaker successfully fulfilled the request. The media had information about this,
          2. CALL.
            CALL. 14 December 2013 12: 31 New
            0
            The icebreaker is probably Finnish built, very similar to Captain Khlebnikov
            1. Nu daaaa ...
              Nu daaaa ... 14 December 2013 12: 38 New
              +1
              Net, eto amerikanskogo proizvodstvo ...

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar-class_icebreaker
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 14 December 2013 15: 53 New
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                Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                Net, eto amerikanskogo proizvodstvo ...


                Tin, the first time I see 3 skulls on uniform wassat
                And then what comes? Megacherep? Modera?

                Quote: askort154
                this is the one and only icebreaker in the USA


                Their, to be exact:
                1 - USCGC Polar Star (WAGB-10) - with 1976 in service
                2 - USCGC Polar Sea (WAGB-11) - with 1977 in service
                3 - USCGC Healy (WAGB-20) - with 1997 in service
                1. askort154
                  askort154 14 December 2013 16: 12 New
                  +4
                  And Us Rat]
                  Their, to be exact:
                  1 - USCGC Polar Star (WAGB-10) - with 1976 in service
                  2 - USCGC Polar Sea (WAGB-11) - with 1977 in service
                  3 - USCGC Healy (WAGB-20) - with 1997 in service

                  Thank you for the information. But, honestly, you must agree, she does not pull on: "already riveted" ?!
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 14 December 2013 18: 44 New
                    +1
                    Quote: askort154
                    Thank you for the information. But, honestly, you must agree, she does not pull on: "already riveted" ?!


                    I agree yes I just reacted to the comment Sharingan "the mustache is gone chef" lolIt was a pity to disappoint. repeat
                2. smile
                  smile 14 December 2013 17: 39 New
                  +3
                  And Us Rat
                  This is my old opponent. And one of our most honored colleagues, who, despite the skulls, has not yet bothered to read VO. And it is right. The trouble is that he considers us to be invaders. And we don’t really like it. Hence the skulls. :)))
                  And the man is quite good, you can communicate with him normally ... you can also quarrel well ... :)))

                  By the way, someone can explain what kind of Allah they set up Well, yeah, minuses - he proved his point. gave a link where you can check his words (in such matters pedagogy does not lie) and did not get any nonsense?
                  1. alone
                    alone 14 December 2013 18: 28 New
                    +3
                    Quote: smile
                    By the way, someone can explain what kind of Allah they set up Well, yeah, minuses - he proved his point. gave a link where you can check his words (in such matters pedagogy does not lie) and did not get any nonsense?


                    )) Many people think that if they ate the Russian site and also military-patriotic one, then everyone should think the same way. They just don’t understand that people are not robots, everyone has their own thoughts and arguments. If a person thinks differently, this does not mean that he is an enemy, a spy, the 5th column)) and sometimes he even witnessed that, a person wrote a fact, gave 4 evidence of his innocence, and he got riveted 50 minuses. and did not even think that, well, what is to blame He, after all, did not sin against the truth!

                    but shouting "hurray" and "long live Russia" on every occasion does not require much intelligence for this! laughing
                    1. smile
                      smile 14 December 2013 19: 58 New
                      +1
                      alone
                      Well, yes ... ahhh :))) I agree. Anything can happen. But actually, to catch fifty minuses - it is necessary to try very hard .... usually it is great to get colleagues :))) Perhaps, all the same, the argumentation of the minded was not very convincing ... :)))
                      1. alone
                        alone 14 December 2013 20: 02 New
                        +3
                        Quote: smile
                        Well, yes ... ahhh :))) I agree. Anything can happen. But actually, to catch fifty minuses - it is necessary to try very hard .... usually it is great to get colleagues :))) Perhaps, all the same, the argumentation of the minded was not very convincing ... :)))

                        laughing so this person was from Israel)) I think this fact also had its detrimental effect)) although he wrote the generally accepted truth)) well, let's say 2x2 = 4, and for this there are minuses)
                      2. VOLCHOXURAL
                        VOLCHOXURAL 14 December 2013 20: 17 New
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                        Quote: lonely

                        laughing so this person was from Israel)) I think this fact also had its detrimental effect)) although he wrote the generally accepted truth)) well, let's say 2x2 = 4, and for this there are minuses)

                        Well, it probably seems to me, perhaps very likely. winked Well, laughter, laughter, but what is the negative about Israel? what After all, there’s nothing like that? request Huh?

                        I don’t minus the flags! wink
                      3. alone
                        alone 14 December 2013 21: 22 New
                        +2
                        You know, the truth cannot be divided into flags. The truth is true in Africa too. It doesn’t matter who wrote it, Russian, Jewish, Azerbaijani or Armenian.
                  2. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 14 December 2013 20: 30 New
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                    Quote: smile
                    alone
                    Well, yes ... ahhh :))) I agree. Anything can happen. But actually, to catch fifty minuses - it is necessary to try very hard .... usually it is great to get colleagues :))) Perhaps, all the same, the argumentation of the minded was not very convincing ...


                    Or vice versa, he obscured that often refuting some kind of peremptory nonsense with photos or videos - the dispute abruptly ends, and the evidence base itself is filled with minuses without any explanations, simply for the fact that it is an "inconvenient fact" laughing
                  3. smile
                    smile 14 December 2013 20: 41 New
                    +2
                    And Us Rat
                    And this happens - from my own experience I was convinced of this .. :)))). But I have not gained more than a dozen minuses. :)))
                  4. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 14 December 2013 20: 44 New
                    +1
                    Quote: smile
                    And Us Rat
                    And this happens - from my own experience I was convinced of this ... but I have not gained more than a dozen minuses. :)))


                    Yes, me too, for minus 50 you really have to try yes
          3. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 14 December 2013 18: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: smile
            By the way, someone can explain what kind of Allah they set up Well, yeah, minuses - he proved his point. gave a link where you can check his words (in such matters pedagogy does not lie) and did not get any nonsense?


            alone answered to the point, well, and some more just minus for the flag (who else, if not me, know this), or for the very fact of a negative rating - like "vrazhina" and "enany agent" wassat
            1. smile
              smile 14 December 2013 20: 06 New
              +3
              And Us Rat
              But it’s a sin for you to be offended - you’ve captured, you understand, the planet, the entire population of Israel got a job in the world government, you get paid one hundred thousand miles in one hand ... Well, how can you not put a minus sign for the flag? Holy thing! We’ll remember Christ again - we’ll ask the administration to allow the enemies of the human race to be minus twice ... and then tyranny will fall and shine ... oh, I forgot that it will shine .. well, in general, something will shine immediately, here! :)))
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 14 December 2013 20: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: smile
                And Us Rat
                But in general, it’s a sin for you to be offended - you’ve captured, you understand, the planet, the entire population of Israel got a job in the world government, you get paid one hundred thousand miles in one hand ...


                You want to say that they impudently cheated me ??? belay Hmm my milen ?! belay Everything, tomorrow, after breakfast, I will overthrow some government - in protest !!! am

                Quote: smile
                Well, how do you minus the flag? Holy thing! We will remember Christ again - we will ask the administration to allow the enemies of the human race to be minus twice ... and then tyranny will fall and shine ... oh, I forgot that it will shine .. well, in general, something will shine immediately, here! :)))


                Go shine on the radiance !!! Urya-urya-urya !!! wassat
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 14 December 2013 15: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Z.O.V.
      The icebreaker is probably Finnish built, very similar to Captain Khlebnikov


      Net. Manufacturer - Lockheed Shipbuilding and Construction Company.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 14 December 2013 10: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: 10kAzAk01
    they have practically no icebreakers ...

    They have no icebreakers, we do not have serviceable large ships ...
    The modern naval battle of the SF is a cruiser from sludge tied to the icebreaker right up to the guard of destroyers tied to tugboats and crews of workers, reservists, contract soldiers, and conscripts.
    At the same time, NATO is an ally, but not so close as to fight ahead of the Russian Federation.
    1. Fin
      Fin 14 December 2013 11: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Volkhov
      The modern naval battle of the SF is a cruiser from sludge tied to the icebreaker right up to the guard of destroyers tied to tugboats and crews of workers, reservists, contract soldiers, and conscripts.

      If this is a joke, then it is not very successful. It is capable of protecting the Northern direction of the Federation Council, there are enough forces and means, we can’t play on the road. The USSR could with a stretch.
      This comrade vice president of the academy ... decided to philosophize on well-known topics, and agreed to nonsense:
      That is, our armed forces are more focused on the performance of police functions and, to a lesser extent, on the defense of the country from those who were previously called the likely adversary.

      Apparently it's time for the old man to send for a well-deserved pension.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 14 December 2013 13: 24 New
        +3
        This is not a joke, but a come true reality, from which I really wanted to dissuade from 2011 http://warfiles.ru/3073-liviya-kak-versal.html but it did not work out and the conflict developed. Ask periodically what is left of the fleet and how many meanings the phrase "is at sea" has.
        As for the "police" functions, then everything is correct, this is the pinnacle of the army's capabilities, there is nothing to do in the sea, air and space - equipment is at war there and the stake on fooling the population has led to technical helplessness.
        1. Fin
          Fin 14 December 2013 13: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Volkhov
          Ask periodically what is left of the fleet and how many meanings the phrase "is at sea" has.

          Just do not need to tell who served in the Federation Council and is still living in this region.
          Quote: Volkhov
          As for the "police" functions, then everything is correct, this is the pinnacle of the army's capabilities, there is nothing to do in the sea, air and space - equipment is at war there and the stake on fooling the population has led to technical helplessness.

          Brilliant knowledge, and in all areas, well, just a universal scientist - in all types of aircraft. Where infa share. Perhaps they themselves only served urgent?
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 14 December 2013 14: 08 New
            0
            As a connoisseur of the fleet, find a photo or video of a working cruiser of the Russian Federation with a period of less than a week - there are a lot of things on the Internet, I will be glad to admit my mistakes.
            This is not the date of the article, but the verified date of shooting.
            1. Fin
              Fin 14 December 2013 14: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Volkhov
              As a connoisseur of the fleet, find a photo or video of a working cruiser of the Russian Federation with a period of less than a week - there are a lot of things on the Internet, I will be glad to admit my mistakes.
              This is not the date of the article, but the verified date of shooting.

              Do not make me laugh. Is video proof for you? Well then, take an interest where Peter and Varyag are now, and they are not tied to icebreakers laughing
              1. Volkhov
                Volkhov 14 December 2013 14: 49 New
                +2
                If you watch the Zvezda channel, then the Varangian, under the name of Moscow, passed the Panama Canal to the Atlantic and was fixed in the Caribbean from August 17, and Peter from September 9 in the Vilkitsky Strait. There are always details in the video, and to believe the commentators is a folk hobby. Only there is nothing funny.
              2. smile
                smile 14 December 2013 17: 52 New
                +3
                Fin
                Well, how can you not know the attraction of the site - Volkhov?
                Aliens abducted him as a child ... for experiments ... :)))
                You read his comments about meteorite-crushed gods, Nazis, who now control us from bunkers, about the use of nuclear weapons during the Second World War .... I assure you, the most interesting reading! :)))
                So don’t swear at him. don’t ... you understand. why...:)))
                1. Fin
                  Fin 14 December 2013 18: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  So don’t swear at him. don’t ... you understand. why...:)))

                  Thank you very much for the information. I have already begun to guess that posts come from another dimension.
                2. Volkhov
                  Volkhov 15 December 2013 01: 15 New
                  0
                  Quote: smile
                  Well, how can you not know the attraction of the site - Volkhov?

                  I clarify - I am a supporter of the salvation of civilizations ... in order to save yours it’s enough to save autonomous versions of sites on your computer and draw curtains - everything will remain the same with almost any development of events.
                  With real somehow more troubles, and the most difficult thing is the border zone, where real people are mixed with trolls and ideas are distorted by crooked mirrors. But here, nature guarantees quarantine - 40 days without the Internet before the arrival of water ... do you think the trolls can heal?
                  1. smile
                    smile 19 December 2013 04: 31 New
                    0
                    Volkhov
                    I just read your answer ... sorry, it's so late ... :)))) Volkhov, you are smart, here you have both humor and sarcasm .... moreover chic ... God forbid that I have this has always been ..... :))))) if you are interested - we, trolls, will not be healed ... we just don’t get sick ... :))))) we don’t just need to kick us out of the bridge in the sun .. .. :))))
                    Volkhov ... but I told the truth .... why swear then? :))))
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 14 December 2013 20: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Volkhov
      Modern naval battle SF -
      Senior Commissioner Krasnevich. , a black shaggy hat with kumach obliquely. stands on the deck unevenly - only with a large volume of vodka drunk from the captain of the ship, or seasickness. It is uneven, but the sailors and junior officers gape from the yawning or carelessly from the Nagans with two hands , as the Slav brothers taught during one of their foreign links. CHU, against the sunset, in the rays of the dying sun appears, judging by the speed and maneuver of the ships, a predatory flock of enemy destroyers whistle all upstairs, the commissar of the ship barked and began to hammer his revolvers with cartridges . Here.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 15 December 2013 01: 53 New
        0
        Those commissars were lucky - the Tsar left powerful fleets with teams, enough for a couple of years ... But what Rogozin feels like is a rifle factory is a gun and pistol family, and there are only 3 royal ships - Volkhov (Commune) in service and Krasin (Svyatogor) with Aurora like museums ...
        They didn’t find the tsar to amend the economy, they decided to plant the Germans in the kingdom and so that they wouldn’t get out, go to war with them ... but the Fritz is now a scientist, they fight back as best they can, they drowned the fleet, they shoot down missiles and they don’t go to the Kremlin - they know that there conscience disappears and alcoholism is acquired.
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov 15 December 2013 11: 33 New
        +1
        My grandfather knew one such shooter - after the Kronstadt uprising he shot at sailors' heads, then he treated his own in sanatoriums in the Crimea.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 14 December 2013 11: 09 New
    +6
    Quote: 10kAzAk01
    .... and do not forget that they have practically no icebreakers ...


    In the foreground is an icebreaker ... SOUTH KOREA belay (In the background yusovtsy - video above in the comments)

    1. core
      core 14 December 2013 13: 42 New
      +4
      it’s not icebreakers, such a boat will not break the ice in half a meter, the nose configuration is not the same. A RUSSIAN icebreaker has an ax nose (bevel) which allows you to crawl onto the ice and break it with your weight, rather than by poking your nose.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 14 December 2013 18: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: core
        the nose configuration is wrong ...


        ?? belay ??



    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 14 December 2013 21: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: And Us Rat
      . SOUTH KOREA
      And what is it that Yu.Korea is powerful, and the min’s minnoe is developing in a modern way. The А-T region will become a field of confrontation between the USA and China. Blockades of straits, maneuvers of AUGmine fields are not the most favorable climate for commercial shipping. And Europe will not wait, here all the benefits of northern shipping are revealed. Give me the technology for extracting the earth’s bowels in the conditions of ice movement. But the pilotage of vessels at our high latitudes. Here it is necessary to think multi-spectrally, and of course it hurts to be able to hit. As always ...
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 14 December 2013 11: 55 New
    +5
    Is not a fact:
    "Dreadnought" British battleship, built in 1905-06 in Portsmouth. In almost a year.
    Liberty-type transports were made faster than the Doenitz children drowned them.
    Will funding make us faster. Modern shipbuilding in erefii where stuck?
  • Sanamana
    Sanamana 14 December 2013 09: 48 New
    +6
    Full-fledged military rivalry cannot be provided only by icebreakers.
    Unfortunately, the Northern Fleet now cannot be compared even with the Soviet Northern Fleet. While we have been marking time for 20 years, our "partners" have invested huge amounts of money in their armed forces. I really hope that the recent efforts in the Arctic will bear fruit, and our fleet will become the strongest in the north.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 09: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Sanamana
      The Northern Fleet is now unfortunately not even comparable with the Soviet Northern Fleet.

      There are no competitors to the Northern Fleet in the Arctic! Even without the former power of the USSR.
      Quote: Sanamana
      ... While we have been marking time for 20 years, our "partners" have invested a lot of money in their armed forces

      Well, what do they have there right now?
    2. hrych
      hrych 14 December 2013 09: 55 New
      +6
      After the Boreyev was commissioned, it was no longer possible to say that it was no longer marking time. Yes, and under EBNe they did not go around, but massively destroyed our potential.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 14 December 2013 10: 50 New
        -7
        Quote: hrych
        After the Boreyev was commissioned, it was no longer possible to say that it was no longer marking time. Yes, and under EBNe they did not go around, but massively destroyed our potential.

        Under Putin and Co., much more was destroyed (especially military education).
      2. Nu daaaa ...
        Nu daaaa ... 14 December 2013 12: 09 New
        0
        After putting Boreev into operation, it’s no longer possible to say that it was no longer possible



        At the Valdai Forum on September 19, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu unexpectedly made a sensational statement, from which it follows that the fleet may have to abandon the R-30 Bulava intercontinental ballistic solid fuel sea-launched missile, which was put into service with great difficulty in 2012 year ...

        ... The latest submarine nuclear missile project 955 Borey can remain unarmed. The missile mines on the nuclear submarines Yuri Dolgoruky, Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh were made only under the Bulava. The dimensions of the R-29RMU2 Sineva or R-29RMU2.1 Liner rocket-propelled rocket on these submarines do not allow their dimensions ...


        http://warsonline.info/raketi-i-artilleriya/raketa-bulava-chto-delat-dalshe.html
  • 222222
    222222 14 December 2013 11: 19 New
    0
    Jamal (1) RU Today, 08:05 AM New
    "I think it's a matter of time ....."
    "US Defense Ministry Arctic Strategy" - November 2013
    "National security interests of the United States in Artik are determined by the US President's Derivative" NBPD 66 / BSPD-25-national security presidential directive 66-presidential directive country security -25 "..." National Security Presidential Directive
    (NSPD) 66 / Homeland Security Presidential Directive (HSPD) 25, Arctic Region Policy. "(Dated January 9, 2009)

    http://www.defense.gov/pubs/
    https://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/nspd-66.htm
  • CALL.
    CALL. 14 December 2013 12: 24 New
    0
    There is no such icebreaker fleet. We will go through the remnants of the Soviet empire and completely leave the Arctic. No icebreaker has been built in the past 20 years.
  • largus886
    largus886 14 December 2013 13: 20 New
    +3
    In the Arctic, only Russia can wage war! Which country in the world beyond the Arctic Circle has large military units? Only in Russia, this is the 200th Pechenga brigade and the Marine Corps Sputnik. These guys know firsthand what the North is, plus they have experience in fighting in the Caucasus! Nato didn’t stand nearby; they still have to design warm camp-portable toilets for the war in the north, and this is not an easy engineering task tongue
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 14 December 2013 17: 33 New
      -3
      Quote: largus886
      In the Arctic, only Russia can wage war! Which country in the world beyond the Arctic Circle has large military units? Only in Russia, this is the 200th Pechenga brigade and the Marine Corps Sputnik. These guys know firsthand what the North is, plus they have experience in fighting in the Caucasus! Nato didn’t stand nearby; they still have to design warm camp-portable toilets for the war in the north, and this is not an easy engineering task tongue

      Yes, and no less important - a hall with rows of comfortable seats for playing Sonya. And also - a full set of machines, with all sorts of Coca-Colas, sneakers and so on, of course, all this in a portable, Arctic McDonald's. And maybe a portable walmart! tongue
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 14 December 2013 21: 04 New
        +1
        Yeah ... - the minus signer is obviously a bit taut with humor! wassat laughing
  • Army1
    Army1 14 December 2013 13: 39 New
    0
    Vysery pseudo-academic expert analysts.
    And the Red Banner Northern Fleet is very combat ready.

    With only an underwater group, it can hold a region. soldier
  • AVV
    AVV 14 December 2013 15: 18 New
    +1
    It is necessary to fully control the Northern Sea Route, this is the money in the budget and the basis for the development of the shelf, and we need to create more than a dozen icebreakers, as well as icebreakers, with the whole range of weapons and aircraft, they will be very needed to protect our shelf !!!
  • w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 14 December 2013 17: 15 New
    +2
    This is how the president should talk with the government ...
    Master class from Lukashenko.

  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 15 December 2013 17: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Jamal
    I think it is a matter of time. And in the Arctic, now we can engage in full-fledged military rivalry. All NATO has no such icebreaker fleet. And the Red Banner Northern Fleet is very combat ready.



    The title of the article also contains the answer. We don’t have to compete with NATO. It is pointless. You just have to simply and banally work on new means of defense and build up defense potential. In the case of the Arctic, the strengthening of the northern fleet and aviation of the northern regions ... and that’s it.
  • Vladimir.z.
    Vladimir.z. 14 December 2013 08: 06 New
    10
    But ostentatious rivalry is not necessary. It’s just without a fuss to restore its presence in those regions where Russia has its own interests, and time will tell who can and what cannot. Yes, and NATO does not shine with its successes .... they have enough of their problems. And the development of mineral resources in the Arctic is only a prospect for the next 20-30 years and during this time the world alignment may change ......
    1. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 14 December 2013 10: 13 New
      0
      And mining in the Arctic is only a prospect for the next 20-30 years

      and "Prirazlomnaya" does not count ???
    2. major071
      major071 14 December 2013 11: 37 New
      +6
      The most important thing is not to twitch from side to side. We set ourselves a goal - slowly and rightly go to it. hi
  • kaktus
    kaktus 14 December 2013 08: 13 New
    +2
    So, while the main allies of Russia are being restored, diplomats should work well in the Russian interests yes
    1. alone
      alone 14 December 2013 09: 55 New
      0
      "Announce the entire list of allies, please!"
      1. S-200
        S-200 14 December 2013 10: 11 New
        +7
        Quote: lonely
        "Announce the entire list of allies, please!"

        Army and Navy!
        1. alone
          alone 14 December 2013 12: 10 New
          +2
          Well, this is a recognized fact. If a cactus spoke about these allies, then he is right. But if he meant those who are considered allies in addition to the army and navy, then they will have to wait a long time to recover.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 14 December 2013 12: 48 New
          +1
          Russia has only one ally - this is the people. It consists of the Army and Navy.
      2. grandfather
        grandfather 14 December 2013 12: 39 New
        +1
        lonely army and navy soldier angry
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 14 December 2013 08: 14 New
    +4
    This Sokolov would have been sentenced to 37 in 25 - a torn alarmist (in the vulgar sense) why do the authors of such articles only talk about our weakness ??? They are fond of being paid to set up young minds. I tell you - the NATO people are soft as they were, well, they will disarm with a fantastic blow and what ???))))))))))))))) come to us to pump oil ??? I will dig a dugout and grind MAPUTA, I will not kill everyone in a convoy at once; I will not kill other MAPUTA in railway station ....
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 14 December 2013 08: 20 New
    +3
    “Under Serdyukov, everything that had any value was sold under the hammer: the premises of the Academy, various educational institutions. By the way, they were moved with the loss of personnel. I'm not talking about the reform associated with the transition of the army to the brigade system. direct strikes were made against all remnants of our defense system, devastating things were done. " This is negligence !!!
  • drop
    drop 14 December 2013 08: 23 New
    +5
    At one time, I had to answer and provide radio navigation equipment for the Arctic and the Northern Sea Route. IF RNS (Tropic, Mars-75) were created and worked. Quite recently, I had to participate in negotiations to ensure radio navigation, drive and helicopter landing at our drilling rigs and some airfields. An amazing picture foreigners dictate to us not only the composition of the aircraft, but also the equipment for them. This is completely unacceptable. Our north, so we must dictate what should be out of equipment and facilities. As expected, there should be a program created by leading research institutes, which the Government will consider and approve, if it considers it necessary.
    And on the account of rivalry with NATO, the issue is debatable. There are many offshore oil platforms in NATO countries that are extremely vulnerable from a military point of view.
    1. smith7
      smith7 14 December 2013 11: 01 New
      +2
      If foreigners dictate even that they don’t really know (don’t they?) It means they’re used to dictating ... We must wean. Who needs a partnership for landing aircraft on some our drilling rigs and airfields? Let them be content with international standards or adapt themselves for us. Alternatively, let us purchase our equipment from us. Yes, we have something, I think, with our own aircraft there are no problems ... And if it’s not a secret, to what end did you agree?
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 14 December 2013 11: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: smith7
        Let them be content with international standards or adapt themselves for us.


        You are absolutely right if you usemy own airfields request
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 14 December 2013 12: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Drop
      An amazing picture foreigners dictate to us not only the composition of the aircraft, but also the equipment for them. This is completely unacceptable. Our north, so we must dictate what should be out of equipment and facilities.

      Interesting. You were previously responsible for providing radio navigation equipment for the Arctic, but at the recent "negotiations" (it would be better to call it not "negotiations", but a planning meeting) foreigners dictated. Probably, during this time, some kind of international agreement appeared, due to the adoption of which the position of the Russian Federation on this issue is weakening. Which one? I think that the vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, commenting on issues related to Russia's presence in the Arctic, should not ignore specific factors that weaken the country's political will and sovereignty in this territory or in some area of ​​activity (if these factors are not classified as classified ). And then the author's everything is somehow vague, some kind of Arctic September.
      1. drop
        drop 14 December 2013 14: 27 New
        +1
        You're right, Stanislav. This is the development of the shelf with the participation of foreign partners. The foreigners, I have no right to specify, even tried to recommend the composition of the equipment of the Rogachevo airfield.
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  • makarov
    makarov 14 December 2013 08: 44 New
    +1
    the material is concise, capacious, concise and efficient. Questions are highlighted relevant, but the conclusions are not complete, there are elements of the thickening of tragedy. In fact, I think not everything is so bad.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 08: 48 New
    +1
    Scarecrow article ... Problems have always been and will be
    1. S-200
      S-200 14 December 2013 11: 10 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Scarecrow article ...

      rather ...puKalka
      wassat
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 14 December 2013 08: 48 New
    +7
    Short article, but interesting.
    A. 1) The professor says obvious things, and the USSR was inferior to NATO, at least a little, but always. What, can you compare the allies of the Warsaw Pact and NATO? England and Poland, France and Hungary? Of course not.
    But there was parity. And now he is gone. It’s clear and a bug. Then why this expert pearl? In general, what kind of organization is this, with a unicorn on the background of the globe?

    2) It is not the confrontation that needs to be strengthened, but think about how to destroy the Federal Reserve System of the Shan, how to create a 5th column there, so that their "Marked" would appear there, their "Understand".
    B.
    1) The author does not offer anything, but indicates a problem. A problem that everyone has long known.
    2) The emphasis is on confrontation in the Arctic, around the huge resources that need to be protected.
    The question is: for whom to protect them? For Abramovich and Deripasok? In the Union, the people had equally from these riches, not counting the numbered workers, now for whom? Or as Rogozin said in Severodvinsk: "Thank you guys, there are many who want to go to our bowels." You can't put thanks in your pocket. Distribute the rent fairly: make aviation kerosene not the most expensive in the world, make kilowatts cheaper - was this why people built hydroelectric power stations, and so on.
    3)
    Under Serdyukov, direct strikes were made on all the remnants of our defense system, destructive things were done.

    Well, was Serdyukov with whom? With GDP, or with DAM? Is the tandem a myth? These experts are like weathercocks, back and forth, and some in general as prostitutes, shame and shame. Therefore, I would be very careful about their opinions. On the one hand, truthful words are spoken, and on the other, they cast a shadow over the wattle fence.

    1. tomket
      tomket 14 December 2013 11: 52 New
      +1
      Why excuse the Warsaw bloc inferior to NATO ???? By the number of tanks, it seems that one USSR exceeded all NATO taken together. The number of interceptors, again, only the USSR had more than in all of NATO. Is that Alain Delon, the girls liked more than Goiko Mitich.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 14 December 2013 17: 29 New
        0
        tomket (1) RU Today, 11:52 ↑ New
        Why excuse the Warsaw bloc inferior to NATO ????

        There are two lines: 1) War without WMD. 2) The war with WMD.
        WMD was more with NATO. Comparison and reduction treaties were in relation to the ShA, but not to NATO. These are two big differences.
        If we talk about a conventional war, then NATO is first and foremost a Sha, how are you going to transfer tanks across the Atlantic? Or even across the English Channel?
        Interceptors appeared as a response to flights over the country, not from a good life.
        The same thing in the Navy: we could maintain tension at sea only with the ShA. If France and England were connected, then there were not enough funds, ships. I emphasize, without the use of WMD.
        The fact that the Union was in no hurry to cut old tanks into metal, put on conservation, does not mean superiority over NATO. We could easily roll out Europe with tanks, but getting to the Sha, Canada is a problem.
        1. tomket
          tomket 15 December 2013 11: 25 New
          0
          according to the so-called WMD, we had parity because how many times in a row America or the USSR are capable of destroying the land three or ten, there is no difference and after the first everyone would have died and guaranteed. As for everything else, so big a world would start in Europe would continue in Southeast Asia and Africa, in addition, the USSR had its unsinkable aircraft carrier - Cuba.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 14 December 2013 09: 03 New
    12
    It is necessary, unilaterally, to declare the territory of the Arctic along the Barents Sea, the North Pole, the Bering Strait as a zone of national interests of Russia. Prohibit the movement of ships, flights of aircraft, without appropriate approval, in this territory. Do not pay attention to the howl and screech of countries that do not agree with this.

    1. RUSS
      RUSS 14 December 2013 10: 02 New
      +3
      And the soldiers in the photo "who will be"?
      1. kare
        kare 14 December 2013 11: 43 New
        +5
        The soldiers aren’t ours. Well, the shooting is not in the Arctic. For those latitudes, the equipment is too decrepit. In these shoes and mittens, you’ll be left without arms and without legs
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 14 December 2013 11: 57 New
      +3
      AK-47
      Please note the US sector is the smallest.
      Do you think it makes no difference to them?
      This is where the legs of modern Arctic problems grow. drinks
      1. grandfather
        grandfather 14 December 2013 12: 45 New
        +2
        an old rocket launcher, but in general does they have a sector? Alaska then surrendered without a sector request
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 14 December 2013 13: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: bearded
          an old rocket launcher, but in general does they have a sector? Alaska then surrendered without a sector request

          Good question laughing
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 14 December 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    I think))) or even hope), if NATO strategists are overwhelmed and the matter ends without a nuclear "asshole", the army will open the warehouses for us locals and there we will re-read "Partisan Edge" only with anti-aircraft missiles, RPGs, flamethrowers, etc., because there is no point to disarm without occupying)))) and then we'll see who will have whom ...
    1. smith7
      smith7 14 December 2013 11: 28 New
      +1
      Read Berkem Al Atemi's Marauder. This is one of the options for a "nuclear-free asshole" on the territory of the Russian Federation. It seems realistic ... We will certainly look "who will win" but it is better if the state is at the same time with its citizens. If citizens are handed over or betrayed, it will not be sweet. And such chances have been and will be at all times and under all political regimes. The only difference is that in our time, in an era of unbelief and without morality, "without a Motherland - without a flag" the probability of such treason is several times higher. Conclusion: we do not need a democracy based on the rejection of national identity and its great history, on "Eurotolerastia" - pederasty, on the rejection of the principles of preserving the integrity of the state.
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 14 December 2013 09: 20 New
    +1
    That is, our armed forces are more focused on the performance of police functions and, to a lesser extent, on the defense of the country from those who were previously called the likely adversary. Now these are probably “probable friends” with whom we are fighting in the Arctic.

    But this does not mean that we will not adequately respond to NATO's statements. If this were not so, then they would have become insolent long ago ... And now time is working for us, which our military-industrial complex uses to strengthen our defenses. And how NATO is fighting now, we have seen in recent years - to attack a weak country with a pack of jackals, and in case of resistance, quickly "retreat". The world is different now, and there is little agreement in this bloc with the exception of the "fathers-creators", and they have their own problems "mouthful".
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  • VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 14 December 2013 09: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
    This Sokolov in 37m to 25ti would be sentenced - a torn alarmist (in the vulgar sense) why the authors of such articles here only talk about our weakness ??? They are fond of being paid to set up young minds.

    Yes, the little article is unambiguous - "vbr.os"! (enemy-sabotage, propaganda shit) To develop in us decadent moods and a tendency to flagellation !!! Yes, the traitors to the hump-fuckers blew up a lot in us, but technically, not morally! But the Geinat residents, with their mountains of advanced equipment, were very tense with the attitude! And this is no better, and maybe much worse. With a short and seemingly lightning-triumphant invasion of Iraq - 8 thousand !!! of them managed to desert! laughing ETOGES complete scribe !!! And now, estimate how many kaki these warriors will spew if they are suddenly ordered to invade us! lol
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 14 December 2013 09: 42 New
      0
      Yes, by the way - dear moderators, why is the word vbr.os, in its normal form - "text inadmissible for publication"? Etozh does not seem to be vulgar, or something like that?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 09: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
        Yes, by the way - dear moderators, why is the word vbr.os, in its normal form - "text inadmissible for publication"?

        And hell knows, like such a word is not in Russian request
        1. Bober
          Bober 14 December 2013 11: 00 New
          +1
          And what about the throw-in / face-off?
          1. VOLCHOXURAL
            VOLCHOXURAL 14 December 2013 11: 21 New
            +1
            Or, as the Internet issued a request - "vbr.os govna in the fan"! fellow Honestly, I'm not lying! laughing
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 14 December 2013 09: 27 New
    11
    I read the article.

    At first I thought not to write anything. Then he decided.

    I disagree!!!!

    I believe that despite years of collapse and humiliation, our army is still strong and can say its weighty word.

    I do not call for hatred moods. I just think that if we immediately tune in to defeat, then it is better for us to surrender all our positions and not lean out, relying on the mercies of the Euro-mosyat ...

    Only graces will not be.

    I believe that NATO should be afraid to attack Russia. My position is based on the victory of the Russian army over the Georgian in 2008.

    Everyone knows that the Georgian army was well trained and armed according to NATO standards.
    The Georgian army owned a strategic initiative, but did not realize it (did not capture / destroy the Roki tunnel).

    There were losses. Losses, especially the air force - are not justified. But we won! Georgian army fled!

    Why am I recalling all this? Not everything is decided by the number of tanks and planes. Examples? Please, from fresh.

    1) the French and British had more troops and equipment in 1940. The Wehrmacht smashed them to smithereens.

    2) In 1941, the USSR had more equipment on the western border. Did not help. Due to the strategy (superiority in the direction of the main attacks several, even ten times), the Germans reached Moscow.

    3) The defeat of the Nazis near Moscow. The Soviet troops did not have much (at times) superiority over the Wehrmacht. The Germans, however, were defeated.

    There are many more examples. And why? Because the number of troops and the number of equipment must be multiplied by a correction factor.

    I will formulate it as the degree of readiness to die for the homeland. For gay people, this coefficient tends to zero.

    Do you think that all these Poles, Hungarians, Germans, French and other "twelve languages", God forbid, happen, war, or military conflict, want to die, just die, in the fields and forests of Russia?

    I think not.

    But in our fellow citizens, I'm sure. I am confident even in the so-called "office plankton". I believe that the above-mentioned "correction factor" is in our genes. And it is activated in hours of danger for the country and the people.

    Like everything said. Sorry for the verbosity. I would also add that I do not want war.
    1. alone
      alone 14 December 2013 10: 00 New
      -1
      raccoon! compare NATO and Georgia! how much it takes to get drunk! Preparation still doesn’t mean anything. Forgotten how the Arab armies prepared the USSR instructors and military advisers? and Israel always defeated them!
      in the struggle between Russia and NATO, the combat effectiveness of Russia and NATO you give an example of the 40s)))
      Can you recall Alexander Nevsky as well?
      1. Bober
        Bober 14 December 2013 11: 14 New
        +1
        The raccoon also says that moral qualities and self-sacrifice are one of the elements of what breaks other armies through the knee. As they say, if you are not psychologically motivated, that's all, you don’t even have to start a fight. Losing is a foregone conclusion.
        But there are curious cases. As an example, the battle in Italy (like in the Renaissance), where no one wanted to die either, because passionarity was already not the same. So, in this battle was not recorded a single killed. There was only one prisoner who was drunk and fell off the horse. He was captivated.
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      3. alone
        alone 14 December 2013 12: 16 New
        +6
        minusers only minus.

        I believe that NATO should be afraid to attack Russia. My position is based on the victory of the Russian army over the Georgian in 2008.


        What does this mean. Why should Nato be afraid to attack Russia based on Russia's victory over Georgia. What is the Georgian army - the army of the United States or Germany, Turkey or France?

        Nato will never attack Russia. So far they are friends with the head (at least half). As long as there is a Strategic Missile Forces, no one will go into Russia. But they will act by other methods.
        1. Bober
          Bober 14 December 2013 14: 26 New
          0
          And here I agree with you. Those who are friends with a head will not attack.
          But friends with the head will push those who are not friends with the head.

          Z. At the expense of cons. It's not me. I don’t put minuses at all if there is a controversy and there is simply a different point of view. For moral ethical search, yes.
      4. grandfather
        grandfather 14 December 2013 12: 56 New
        +3
        the lone war in Egypt: the Ishmael army had Egypt as they wanted, after the Russians set up air defense with personnel and shot down the Ishail airplanes, the Ishigals asked for a truce. it is not Napoleon and Alexrndr Nevsky.
        the conflict ended without territorial changes on both sides.
        1. alone
          alone 14 December 2013 14: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: bearded
          the conflict ended without territorial changes on both sides.


          You are mistaken, dear, the territories of Egypt were returned after Egypt recognized Israel's right of the Jews to statehood. In addition, Egypt has committed itself not to fight Israel anymore. They didn’t leave Syria, but this did not prevent the defeat of Syria. In addition to the Golan Heights, Syria could lose a lot of things, but Israel stopped only the stubbornness of the tank formations of the Syrian army, the only elite of the Syrian army, even now they are at their best, unlike other units. it simply connects the August war with Georgia as a warning to NATO. The West is certainly hostile and vile, but you shouldn’t consider them stupid, cowards and weak. It’s already glory of hatred. Opponents should be appreciated even if it’s weak, it should be overestimated and is preparing for revaluation. underestimation never led to good.
      5. askort154
        askort154 14 December 2013 15: 00 New
        +2
        lonely ... compare NATO and Georgia! how much it takes to get drunk! Preparation still doesn’t mean anything. Forgotten how the Arab armies prepared the USSR instructors and military advisers? and Israel always defeated them!

        Guys, I'm afraid YOU think tactically, and the strategy is:
        1) 08.08.08.-not a war between Georgia and Russia (it's ridiculous to imagine), but the West (USA) "probing" Russia for its "legal capacity",
        2) Egypt’s war with Israel was not lost due to poor equipment or instructors
        from the USSR, and as a result of underestimating the morale of the parties and not taking into account the features
        religious rituals, which is what the Israelis took advantage of, well knowing this.
        They launched a preemptive air raid on the Egyptian airfields at the time of their earnest prayers to Allah. Literally within an hour, everything was finished with the Egyptian air force.
        Managed to take off a pair of Mig-21, but this, of course ....
        This blitz war in the Middle East, became a great lesson for the military-political structures of the USSR.
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 14 December 2013 09: 29 New
    +3
    The author of the article is right that it is education that needs to be strengthened.
    1. smith7
      smith7 14 December 2013 11: 43 New
      +2
      Add military-patriotic training to education (as in the USSR) and it will work out perfectly ... Why did the USSR collapse? So then again to come to a similar option (have not yet arrived, by the way sad ), but through the loss and deprivation of citizens for 40 years? The Brzezinskiys did a good job. They already take envy. For 300 years they have been afraid of the "collapse of ideology" in the "West" in the direction of the spiritual and moral values ​​of the Russian empire, and for fear they slander Russia for offenses "sucked out of the finger." And we all want to be like "them" ... It's a shame.
  • Good
    Good 14 December 2013 09: 31 New
    +3
    If Sokolov’s mood is bad or his legs aren’t standing, it’s not necessary to dissolve the snot. What about the police function of the army? I got confused in concepts.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 14 December 2013 09: 34 New
    +1
    However, Russia is not able to conduct a full-fledged military rivalry with the NATO bloc,

    Yes and no. to spoil them on trifles, but with a long sight
  • S-200
    S-200 14 December 2013 09: 34 New
    +1
    Arctic-Arctic, but already need to submit an application for Antarctica to the UN ...
    Create UN Commission on Antarctica ...
    To establish the territorial dominant on the rights of the OPENERS, to issue concessions for the exploration of Antarctica to other states. And then, as always after the fact, we’ll start to tear the stubble from all places and beat the pumpkin in the stove ... Until other states have set up their icebreaker fleets.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 14 December 2013 10: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: S-200
      but you already need to submit an application for Antarctica to the UN ...

      late, my friend. the british queen already considers Antarctica belonging to her crown fool
      1. S-200
        S-200 14 December 2013 10: 36 New
        +1
        Marasmatic territorial claims of the (pro) Liza's grandmother need to be taken into account with a certain amount of skepticism ... did they have few Falklands in 1982?
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 14 December 2013 10: 54 New
          0
          Quote: S-200
          Marasmatic territorial claims (pro) grandmother Lisa

          Well, why are you so. pensioner after all, but old age must be respected fellow
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 14 December 2013 13: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: andrei332809
          late, my friend. the british queen already considers Antarctica belonging to her crown

          Fuck her (Lizaveta) in one place. Germany, as in a fable: listens and eats! Remember, Germany created a military base on the territory of Antarctica and called this territory "New Swabia". If those Germans are alive and it seems to me that they are alive, because defeated the American and intimidated the Soviet fleets, then Germany is the direct mistress of Antarctica. When it comes to partition, she can prove it with a weapon.
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 14 December 2013 13: 31 New
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            Quote: Алексей_К
            Fuck her (Lizaveta) in one place

            don’t take so seriously the delusional applications of the Britons. they always had more eyes than the stomach was able to digest. their appetite is excellent, but digestion ...
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 14 December 2013 13: 14 New
      0
      Quote: S-200
      On the rights of the DISCOVERERS to establish a territorial dominant

      And what, that the Russians went around and discovered Antarctica first! America, too, Amerigo Vespucci (Florentine) discovered. Except for Italian gangsters, Italy has no rights to America. The owner of a still free territory is the one who in this territory has set its national flag and statehood before everyone else, declared its rights to this territory to the international community and managed to protect these rights by force. The Russians were too lazy to do this. But there is still time for dividing the territory of Antarctica.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 14 December 2013 09: 41 New
    +1
    No Sokolov is wrong. set of cliches and phrases. especially about the forces of nuclear deterrence. Minus Sokolov.
    1. S-200
      S-200 14 December 2013 10: 42 New
      +1
      it Ivashov geopolitical "academics" ... doctors historical sciences
      Interesting to read them closed reports for the leadership of the country ... if any are in demand)))
      maybe, indeed, we will find something original ... although their "research" is based on the translation of open sources from foreign media ...
  • jjj
    jjj 14 December 2013 10: 03 New
    0
    We need to constantly prepare for war. Everything that is happening around Russia today clearly indicates that the West is systematically preparing: regrouping and building up forces, information processing of its population and us, the Russians. The approximate timing of the war was predicted back in Soviet times: 2015-2017. The "go-ahead" received for holding the Olympics in Russia at one time showed that there would be no war until the named dates. Therefore, our rearmament programs were also slightly adjusted for 2017-2018. Meanwhile, the 2018 FIFA World Cup has pushed back a possible date to around 2020. It should be noted that the main sporting events, if they are on the calendar, will not be canceled. All over the world, they play one of the most important roles in the processing and manipulation of filling.
    We are given a break. Hence such huge expenditures on new weapons and organizational measures. As for the Arctic, the terms of service have already been announced for personnel - a year in three. Almost like in a war. Thus, there will be no problems with organized picking. And the organization of the structure of global intelligence and target designation in real time will bring everything that has begun to its logical conclusion
    1. S-200
      S-200 14 December 2013 10: 37 New
      0
      Quote: jjj
      We are given a break

      and by whom is given? belay
  • individual
    individual 14 December 2013 10: 03 New
    +4
    Praise Shoigu especially not at all.
    It’s just that Russia has a large margin of safety: it experienced the Gaidar region, the Trump family, the Berezov region and the Ministry of Stools and the presidency of Medvedev.
    Experiencing corruption and not perfect government.
    Russia was able to survive as a state unlike Ukraine itself.
    The losses were enormous, and analysts and "consultants" from the West predicted the complete collapse of everything and everyone.
    Ideology, industry, agriculture, education, culture and the military-industrial complex were discarded half a century ago.
    Now it is worth remembering the words: "Give us time"!
  • artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 14 December 2013 10: 10 New
    +4
    “Russia is not able to conduct a full-fledged military rivalry with NATO”
    The Germans spoke about the same in 1941.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 14 December 2013 10: 19 New
    -1
    Not an article but a direct diversion of some sort laughing .
    1. sashka
      sashka 14 December 2013 10: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: ZU-23
      Not an article but a direct diversion of some sort

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2013/12/131214_rn_china_moon.shtml. Вот и досмеялись..
  • Clegg
    Clegg 14 December 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    Russia has no allies, there is only one ally. This is nuclear weapons
  • sashka
    sashka 14 December 2013 10: 42 New
    +3
    China will be the first country in 37 years whose spacecraft with a lunar rover will land on the Moon. Http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2013/12/131214_rn_china_moon.shtm
    l
    What kind of confrontation is there .. Even with Nata, at least with anyone ..
  • Moore
    Moore 14 December 2013 10: 42 New
    -1
    “Russia is not able to conduct a full-fledged military rivalry with NATO”

    Mr. Sokolov, I hope, understands that in essence he is saying: "Russia cannot fight alone against the entire" civilized "world? Yeah, Captain Obvious in stock.
    The recipe for this newly discovered respected trouble analyst was coined long ago - an asymmetric response in the confrontation.
    Therefore, they preserve and develop, first of all, even the potential use of which will bring unacceptable damage to the opponent.
    Cruise missiles in an ostensibly "disarming strike" have not been invented today or yesterday, as well as ways to combat this scourge.
    But the Arctic forces, yes, they are needed. Do not go anywhere without them. From time immemorial, new lands, and even their own borders, were surrounded by fortresses and outposts. In terms of warming and the availability of Arctic wealth - this is the time.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 14 December 2013 10: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Even the deterrence functions that our strategic nuclear forces have always carried out are gradually being lost.

    The presented article is an unproven demagogy. Not a single concrete fact. All around. There’s nothing to discuss ... negative crying
  • lotar
    lotar 14 December 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    There are many problems in our country, but to despair and wait for the heavenly manna to come to us is even worse than doing nothing at all. Yes, there will be mistakes and even sabotage carried out both by internal enemies and external ones. Here under sabotage I I understand not only the targeted destruction of the RF Armed Forces, but also the information pressure and the liquidation of defense enterprises that are stable to one degree or another and related to them. At the expense of our education, we can say the following so that skeptics and critics do not say that our education poorer , to some extent they are right, but now there are a lot of free educational resources, I don’t want to study. But we don’t need us, just like in Soviet times, to hold our hands and lead us into a bright future. No, other times and return those back times, at least in the near future, it is not possible. And you need to develop the hidden potential in yourself and your loved ones.
  • Koryak
    Koryak 14 December 2013 11: 03 New
    +1
    The article is quite objective. I do not advise non-believers to ride in the Far East, sing it differently.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 14 December 2013 11: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Koryak
      The article is quite objective. I do not advise non-believers to ride in the Far East, sing it differently.

      I did not try to read the article.
      1. Koryak
        Koryak 14 December 2013 14: 05 New
        +1
        “Russia is not able to conduct a full-fledged military rivalry with NATO” And this does not depend on the region.
  • kare
    kare 14 December 2013 11: 14 New
    +2
    And who is this very Sokolov. He let such snot out. He has not yet advised us to immediately put a noose around his neck. He scared the priest with wise men. In the West there are a dime a dozen Serdyukovs. will resolve any dispute. I don’t perceive these NATO goats at all as a warrior. So looters
    1. tomket
      tomket 14 December 2013 11: 57 New
      0
      If, from the point of view of frightening the President, he would begin to re-create both the education system and the destroyers, they would become more riveted, then the article is correct. But if he really thinks that NATO is stronger than Russia, then the academician is mistaken. NATO without America is no longer able to conduct serious military operations, especially for long periods.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 14 December 2013 13: 32 New
        +1
        You are mistaken when it is really necessary that even France alone can fight. What are her actions in Libya worth?
        1. tomket
          tomket 14 December 2013 15: 17 New
          0
          That's just the war in Libya and showed that she can already hell can conduct full-fledged hostilities, both in terms of planning and in terms of performing tasks. Their whole action in Libya was reduced to advertising "Raphael". NATO as a whole and France separately were unable to plan and execute operations to destroy both key points in the early days of the operation and to isolate the sites of operations. So the key objects that in the same Yugoslavia were destroyed in the first hours of hostilities, in Libya were destroyed only a few months later. Moreover, in the planning of operations, the priority in their destruction was never set.
          1. tomket
            tomket 14 December 2013 21: 11 New
            0
            Justify the minus, and it smells like French frivolity, I can describe in detail what and how, and most importantly why the almighty French people without Americans carried so much from Gaddafi, and can you date the victorious actions of the almighty French people by dates ????
  • stranik72
    stranik72 14 December 2013 11: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    I will formulate it as the degree of readiness to die for the homeland. For gay people, this coefficient tends to zero.


    "It's funny for me." Why die if they are now implementing the strategy "a man out of combat, out of danger of direct contact with the enemy." Strike drones, absolute superiority in high-precision weapons, aviation of all kinds, ships and submarines, electronic warfare communications, etc., etc. And in terms of human material, they are superior to us. Who serves in the Russian army today, the level of education, health, ideology and desire to die for the Motherland Do you think We are better, I deeply doubt.
  • Vadim12
    Vadim12 14 December 2013 11: 39 New
    -1
    The vice president of the academy is whole! And so stupid! It turns out, destroyers, submarine missile carriers, and other Russian equipment called to fight against the guerrilla rebels? Did he even serve in the army? Expert dropout!
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 14 December 2013 11: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: AK-47
    It is necessary, unilaterally, to declare the territory of the Arctic along the Barents Sea, the North Pole, the Bering Strait as a zone of national interests of Russia. Prohibit the movement of ships, flights of aircraft, without appropriate approval, in this territory. Do not pay attention to the howl and screech of countries that do not agree with this.


    Everything goes to this. The Arctic brigade is already a statement that we can’t surrender the Arctic without a fight. I don’t remember that something like this was in NATO. Without special training, it’s impossible to survive there, not to fight. The United States is very much advertising its army, but war is not what was on paper, but forgot about the ravines. What will happen to the electronics, start a war and all kinds of radiation, who has a stronger morale, etc.
  • Stasi
    Stasi 14 December 2013 11: 51 New
    0
    I agree that it is necessary to restore the military education and personnel necessary for both the army and the defense industry. I also agree that the so-called attack of environmentalists on our oil platform was a provocation, the first sign of intelligence services of the West. The fight for the resources of the Arctic and the whole North will be serious, as they understand in the West, since icebreakers began to rivet accelerated. Militarily, Russia is able to fight back, the army now, despite the problems, has become stronger than in the 90s. I would like to hope that our government is able to show will in the struggle for the North and not retreat to the West. It should also be remembered that any war is a competition of minds, who are smarter than he wins.
  • standby
    standby 14 December 2013 11: 53 New
    0
    However, Russia is not able to conduct a full-fledged military rivalry with the NATO bloc, and our demonstration of force will be very limited. To lead such a confrontation, you need to do almost impossible things. It is necessary to restore the education system, which will provide personnel for our defense industry and the armed forces.


    We need to live "within our means", neither a new arms race nor a strong army with a poor population is necessary for us. It is worth adhering to the principle of reasonable sufficiency. Should we even chase the American fleet in terms of combat power? Catching up is simply unrealistic and ruinous. But to be able to sting, like a flock of small bees, any smart-ass bear trying to clean up their honey, we still can. We don't need balance in draining the economy; we need the ability to sting hard. And the guarantors of our dominance in the Arctic for 20 years to come will be our best icebreaker fleet, and the strongest Northern Fleet, where is NATO!
  • pensioner
    pensioner 14 December 2013 11: 57 New
    0
    Quote: me by
    main research interests: methodology of system research and its application to natural science and social problems, theoretical studies of the spiritual sphere of the life of society, nature and historical processes of the formation of secular and religious ideological systems, and the implementation in the construction of the state and public relations system.

    To be honest - it’s not impressive ... In fact, he was engaged in science about nothing ... Did they especially touch
    theoretical studies of the spiritual sphere of society
    With no less success, you can study the spiritual life of cockroaches or hamsters ...
  • bubla5
    bubla5 14 December 2013 12: 04 New
    0
    NATO will always be our enemies, it’s easier enemies, this structure was created to deter, in other words, the destruction of our country, regardless of its name and structure, whether it be communism or capitalism, and this will continue for centuries.
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 14 December 2013 12: 10 New
    +1
    The attitude to the article, especially to the headline, is purely negative.
    But here's what I thought: It seems that similar articles, of which there have been quite a lot lately, are aimed at preparing public opinion for increasing the number of aircraft and their service life.
    Could this be? Well, not complete, just go ... are you in our leadership?
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 14 December 2013 13: 44 New
      +1
      Old rocket scientist: "... such articles, of which there are quite a few lately, are aimed at preparing public opinion for an increase in the number of the Armed Forces and the service life. ..."
      It is the actions of the USA and the West, as well as China, that are pushing us to increase the number of troops. China, for example, allowed another child in the family. Five years later, they will be 3 billion people. To protect the new cosmodrome under construction in the Far East, Russia will have to create an additional millionth group of troops around this territory in order to defend its strategic forces with non-nuclear means and at least a few days restrain the powerful onslaught of China, while the General Staff, the Minister of Defense and the President recover from shock and take effective measures.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 14 December 2013 12: 10 New
    0
    there would be political will and everything will be found. you have to start somewhere. why not from the north? to reorient the Star of St. Petersburg not for the manufacture of ships for India and China but for our North. Touched and experience is.
  • q_556
    q_556 14 December 2013 12: 13 New
    0
    Well, given the progress of the domestic armed forces and the degradation of NATO, the situation may change in the near future.
  • VADEL
    VADEL 14 December 2013 12: 34 New
    +1
    It will be necessary to restore order in the Arctic region using a demonstration of force

    That is, our armed forces are more focused on the performance of police functions and, to a lesser extent, on the defense of the country from those who were previously called the likely adversary. Now these are probably the “probable friends” with whom we fight in the Arctic.]

    ! Madhouse! Schizophrenia! Sir, have you ever looked outside the Garden Ring? Do you even know where Dikson, Norilsk, Khatanga is located? Have you been to Siberia? (The question is not about hotels.)
    YOUR ARMY is in trousers and can’t do anything. Our army tear everything and everyone. soldier
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 14 December 2013 13: 55 New
      +2
      q_556: "Our army will tear everyone and everything"

      In 1972, being in Khabarovsk, he stepped over the fence, consisting of two horizontal perches, separating the city from the motorized rifle military unit. And naturally, no one was detained. And this is on the BORDER! And how many enemies and saboteurs can make steps and direct sabotage against the "sleeping" garrison. While "Our army will tear everyone and everything," you still have to harness it and say: "But! Darling!" and whip on the fatty sides!
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 14 December 2013 15: 40 New
        +1
        ......... Well, not for the sake of argument, but for information, in the same France, Italy and others, hundreds of thousands of migrants who sailed in a geyropa on motor boats and rafts, In the United States, millions of Mexicans and others like them are central - And the South Americans, driven by trucks, can’t drive north to happiness, and the great American wall recently erected along the border restrains them no more than ants sliver ............. how many spies, saboteurs among them, even Abama does not know acrobats and philatelists
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      3. q_556
        q_556 15 December 2013 13: 49 New
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        Our army will tear all and all


        Firstly, I didn’t say that.
        Secondly, no one has yet canceled nuclear weapons.

        In 1972, while in Khabarovsk, he stepped over a fence consisting of two horizontal poles separating the city from a motorized rifle military unit.


        The numbers? Data? Statistics? No, just unsupported words from the series "one grandmother said." Yes, even if we assume that what you said is pure truth (which I do not doubt at all), then all the same, the quality of the fence near Khabarovsk does not affect the level of the country's defense.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 14 December 2013 13: 16 New
    +1
    Nato has already shown its potential in Libya when they ran out of ammunition and urgently called on the Americans to help, we can’t do it ourselves. And even in the harsh conditions of the Arctic, without the usual amenities of a guard. laughing
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 14 December 2013 13: 23 New
    +5
    Quote: lonely
    raccoon! compare NATO and Georgia! how much it takes to get drunk! Preparation still doesn’t mean anything. Forgotten how the Arab armies prepared the USSR instructors and military advisers? and Israel always defeated them!
    in the struggle between Russia and NATO, the combat effectiveness of Russia and NATO you give an example of the 40s)))
    Can you recall Alexander Nevsky as well?


    I remember. And Alexander Yaroslavich, and Dmitry Ivanovich, and Alexander Vasilyevich (who is Count Rymniksky), and Mikhail Illarionovich!

    Military advisers can train foreign armies at any time, teaching them to drive tanks and planes, explain tactics and strategy.

    Military advisers CANNOT do one thing - to instill in the trainees the spirit of the winner and the willingness to sacrifice in the name of the Motherland.
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 14 December 2013 13: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: stranik72
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    I will formulate it as the degree of readiness to die for the homeland. For gay people, this coefficient tends to zero.


    "It's funny for me." Why die if they are now implementing the strategy "a man out of combat, out of danger of direct contact with the enemy." Strike drones, absolute superiority in high-precision weapons, aviation of all kinds, ships and submarines, electronic warfare communications, etc., etc. And in terms of human material, they are superior to us. Who serves in the Russian army today, the level of education, health, ideology and desire to die for the Motherland Do you think We are better, I deeply doubt.


    One high-altitude explosion of a nuclear gizmo - respectively, EMP - and all high-precision unmanned equipment turns ... technology turns into iron-plastic rubbish.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 14 December 2013 15: 59 New
      +3
      "One high-altitude explosion of a nuclear contraption - respectively, EMP - and all high-precision unmanned equipment turns ... equipment turns into iron-plastic rubbish."
      I have no arguments for you, if only advice, it is better for you with such thoughts to see a doctor.
    2. dry off
      dry off 14 December 2013 19: 58 New
      0
      Mistake. Even in the USSR in the 80s, there were ways to protect against EMP.
    3. dry off
      dry off 14 December 2013 19: 58 New
      0
      Mistake. Even in the USSR in the 80s, there were ways to protect against EMP.
  • saag
    saag 14 December 2013 13: 44 New
    +1
    I see many people pay attention to the military aspect - how Russia will defeat NATO, but no one even thought to pay attention to the economic, and by the way, if you lower the price of oil, it will be cleaner than any Waterloo
  • vlasov70
    vlasov70 14 December 2013 14: 01 New
    +2
    On the issue of the icebreaker fleet in Russia and the world.
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 14 December 2013 14: 02 New
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    Quote: saag
    I see many people pay attention to the military aspect - how Russia will defeat NATO, but no one even thought to pay attention to the economic, and by the way, if you lower the price of oil, it will be cleaner than any Waterloo


    But we will stop supplying them with oil and gas. Where will they get what they need?

    Do the Arabs? Mining capacities cannot be increased so quickly. Even worse, with gas and oil product delivery capacities.

    Europe, after all, on a gas needle ...
  • VladimS
    VladimS 14 December 2013 14: 28 New
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    When I was studying (for a long time), we also had Sokolov as deputy rector for AHCh, but in fact his last name was ShMULENSON.

    A bit of offtopic.
    When some part of the Jewish class began to understand and see the rejection of their Russian society with the Jewish names of ..bergs, ..manov, etc., they began to take the names of animals and other animals.
    Medvedev, Rybkin, Sokolov, Orlov, etc. so they including recognize their own, if ethnic characteristics are sometimes not obvious.
    By the way, if the photo is at the beginning of an article by him, the author, then judging by the appearance, he is 100% the son of his Middle Eastern people .., let's say this. :-)
    1. dry off
      dry off 14 December 2013 20: 05 New
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      Dear, that most invincible weapon, with the help of which you are going to break the NATO anus, it is created and made by people of the most different nationalities and faiths. Including Muslims and even - about the horror! - by the Jews.
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  • kair_kz
    kair_kz 14 December 2013 14: 28 New
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    yes already 20 years as not able. however, the Russians always win at the moment when you least expect it from them, I don’t remember who said)