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A task was given to develop a more powerful version of the AI-222-25 aircraft engine

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According to the Interfax-AVN news agency, the GP Ivchenko-Progress (Zaporizhia) received a technical assignment from Russia for the creation of a more powerful aircraft engine than the AI-222-25, which is equipped with the Yak-130 combat training aircraft.


"The technical task for the development of the engine to 2900 kg received. State Enterprise" Ivchenko-Progress "the beginning of work on the project," - said the agency. According to him, there is confidence that "Ivchenko-Progress" will meet the required deadlines for the creation of the engine. "The engine 2900 kg will have the same great future as the engine AI-222-25. Most likely, it will receive a new designation," - said the agency interlocutor.



AI-222-25 turbojet dual-circuit engine (c) GP Ivchenko-Progress


He explained that the light attack aircraft planned to be built in Russia based on the Yak-130 training aircraft "will require the creation of an increased thrust aircraft engine. The light attack aircraft will be a deep modernization of the Yk-130 serial training and combat aircraft".

He recalled that the serial Yak-130 are equipped with two AI-222-25 aircraft engines with 2,5 t each designed and manufactured by Ivchenko-Progress and Motor Sich enterprises in Zaporizhia. "Creating a light strike aircraft will require the development of an engine increased by about half a ton of thrust compared to AI-222-25. The project of a light strike aircraft is under study," the agency’s source said.
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  1. kaktus
    kaktus 13 December 2013 10: 44
    18
    Hurray to the Cossacks! hi
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 13 December 2013 10: 50
      18
      I have always been "FOR" for such a partnership, ties need to be strengthened ...
      1. Edward72
        Edward72 13 December 2013 11: 03
        21
        In St. Petersburg, new capacities are being built for the Klimov plant, and the task is being sent to Ukraine. It is still not clear how the map will lie in the somast.
        1. Sibiriya
          Sibiriya 13 December 2013 11: 36
          +5
          Competition will not hurt. Will do soon as before - the best will win)))
        2. xxxMYSTICxxx
          xxxMYSTICxxx 13 December 2013 12: 02
          +2
          As I understand it, they put a point on the plans for the purchase of the moment 35, since it is not reasonable to produce light, heavy and, in addition, "average" ...
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 13 December 2013 12: 34
            +5
            Not really that. They will make an attack on the Yak base, but this is not exactly the same as a light fighter. Yes, and the MiG-35 can be called light ... well ... complicated.
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 13 December 2013 13: 18
              +3
              Quote: Wedmak
              On the basis of the Yak will do shock

              Yes, at the last exhibition, all the "southern friends" ask him for a fight. A lot of questions were asked about combat use, well, now it is clear where the wind comes from? Yes, and pasta on the heels with the same corn is coming.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 13 December 2013 15: 42
                +2
                Yes, and pasta on the heels with the same corn come.

                And there are not only pasta. The same is Super Tucano ... But the direction itself is right - to do UB, show, and on the basis of it make different options. In my Yak-130, how successful the platform turned out.
            2. silver_roman
              silver_roman 13 December 2013 13: 26
              +2
              Well, why ... The MiG-35 is just a light fighter, drying is heavy. Correct if I'm wrong!
              The Yak-130 is more like an attack aircraft ... and on its basis I can not imagine how it is planned to create a fighter with subsonic speed! maybe I don’t understand something!
              Denis... hi
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 13 December 2013 15: 43
                +2
                The MiG-35 is just a light fighter, drying is heavy. Correct if I'm wrong!

                All is correct. But many people understand a light fighter as a single-engine vehicle. Here I am leading to.
            3. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 13 December 2013 17: 48
              +2
              Wedmak ... I agree, our "suddenly" realized that apart from Migov, there is nothing to threaten the enemies with, and therefore only to improve, since it hurt, that is, but there are no analogues! Now the main thing is to break away and maintain a distance !!!
            4. aleksandrs95
              aleksandrs95 13 December 2013 22: 04
              +2
              everything is simple here, an attack drone based on the Yak-a, they already wrote about this. I think and are going in this direction, but it is better to raise the thrust from 2,5 to 3,2. Having received a unique product.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 13 December 2013 22: 05
            +4
            Quote: xxxMYSTICxxx
            As far as I understand, they put a point on the plans for the purchase of the moment 35, since it is not reasonable to produce light, heavy and, in addition, "average"

            This is alarming!
            It seems that using carpet games they want to remove MIG from orders by dragging them to controlled companies.
        3. AVV
          AVV 13 December 2013 12: 39
          -1
          Yes, one does not interfere with the other! If they enter Geyropa, then customs payments will increase many times !!! If Ukraine needs it, then they have a multi-colored flag in their hands !!!
        4. Genry
          Genry 13 December 2013 12: 57
          +6
          Design and production are two different things. Apparently, Russia will produce, the engine is military.
          1. AVV
            AVV 13 December 2013 23: 40
            +2
            Yes, why Russia will not produce a fact! Engines for many military helicopters, and the engine for the Yak-130, as well as for Ruslan Motors Sich produces !!! And after joining Europe, many production will have to be transferred to Russia, Russia can not depend on the vagaries and conditions put forward to Ukraine by Brussels !!! Then there will be a mass rejection of the services of Ukraine in the production of equipment for the aircraft !!!
        5. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 13 December 2013 14: 51
          +3
          Quote: Edward72
          In St. Petersburg, new capacities are being built for the Klimov plant, and the task is being sent to Ukraine. It is still not clear how the map will lie in the somast.

          Everything will be fine, do not worry. It will be a normal country.
        6. Siberian German
          Siberian German 13 December 2013 20: 29
          +2
          Yes, we just need to take the east with the Crimea for ourselves, and let these zapadentsy go to the European Union. Only after that I think so they fuck ... no one will need ren
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 13 December 2013 23: 28
            +3
            Quote: Siberian German
            Yes, we just need to take the east with the Crimea for ourselves, and let these zapadentsy go to the European Union. Only after that I think so they fuck ... no one will need ren

            Have you asked in eastern Ukraine?
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 14 December 2013 10: 29
              0
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              Quote: Siberian German
              Yes, we just need to take the east with the Crimea for ourselves, and let these zapadentsy go to the European Union. Only after that I think so they fuck ... no one will need ren

              Have you asked in eastern Ukraine?


              From the Donbass. Why not ask? To begin with, you can start issuing passports to a citizen of the Russian Federation, so that the Svidonauts, looking at the number of people who want to get a Russian passport, start to roll balls in their brains instead of across them.
        7. air defense veteran
          air defense veteran 14 December 2013 10: 44
          0
          For this, we must work together so that the cards always lie correctly.
      2. Civil
        Civil 13 December 2013 11: 40
        +1
        Order development in a hostile state ?! But it’s nothing that they will later sell the same engine to China, that is, they finance the development of completely different air forces and aircraft industry for our money .... that’s forehead on the forehead!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 December 2013 12: 35
          +4
          And why is Ukraine a hostile state? Now why aren’t they selling it?
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 13 December 2013 14: 25
          +3
          But it’s nothing that they will later sell the same engine to China, that is, they finance the development of completely different air forces and aircraft industry for our money ....

          Who read the thread development agreement?
          If they develop in Zaporozhye, for our money. That right will be with us.
        3. self-propelled
          self-propelled 13 December 2013 16: 02
          +1
          Quote: Civil
          But they’ll sell the same engine to China later

          yes let them sell - all the same profit. just not taught to design and create
        4. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 13 December 2013 17: 53
          +3
          no need to position Ukraine as a hostile state! You are a sir or a provocateur, or just .. a fool.! we were and are and will be brothers! we’ll be able to swear and quarrel, but we won’t take away kinship ...
        5. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 13 December 2013 23: 31
          +1
          Quote: Civil
          Order development in a hostile state ?!

          I have no words. And there is no desire to swear.
    2. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 13 December 2013 11: 40
      +6
      Pleased with the news in the morning!
      Light combat aircraft are very popular in the market. The price is lower, service is cheaper, production is faster than heavy.
      There are many problems in which the use of heavy aircraft is not advisable. Yes, and you can place more combat units on an aircraft-carrying cruiser, and the increased power of the dvigla is just useful for a short run)))
      Accordingly, GDP can be made shorter, building airfields faster and cheaper.
      And abroad, a huge market opens ...
      I think so.
      1. Argon
        Argon 13 December 2013 12: 48
        +3
        Dear, w.ebdo.g, the task of such machines is the same - the destruction of ground targets in areas without organized air defense, in the language of the layman - "For the war with the Basmachi" -. In fact, the entire fleet of Su-25 belongs to the class of similar machines, has sufficient modernization potential, and conceptually it should be replaced by UAVs. In addition, the existing Yak-130 has the ability to work on ground targets in the presence of an appropriate range of equipment and weapons. Why another one? Given the "mouse fuss" around the issue of serial production of the MiG-35 ( and the need for such a machine is obvious), it seems to me that the news is about the creation of an afterburner version of the AI-225-25, for a supersonic trainer based on the Yak-130, which with fanfare (as we can) will be issued as a new lightweight alternative fighter MiGu (much more ECONOMICAL with a large COMMERCIAL potential). sad
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 December 2013 15: 48
          +1
          For the war with the Basmachi. "-. In fact, the entire fleet of Su-25 belongs to the class of similar machines, has sufficient modernization potential, and conceptually it should be replaced by UAVs.

          The Su-25 is an armored attack aircraft, repeatedly received missiles both in the tail and in the mane (in the engine) from these same Basmachi. And often in this form he flew to the base. So he can at least somehow resist the "light" air defense. Will they be able to book the Yak as well? .. we'll see. The UAV will not be able to do what the Su-25 is doing now.
          for a supersonic fusion train based on the Yak-130 which with a pomp (as we know how) will be issued as a new lightweight fighter alternative to MiG

          And why is a supersonic TCB? The meaning is in it ???
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 13 December 2013 17: 57
            +4
            that's for sure ! The "Rooks" were returning home in such a shabby state that it was simply not realistic to understand how they kept in the air .... a hard worker!
    3. rolik
      rolik 13 December 2013 12: 20
      +4
      Quote: kaktus
      Hurray to the Cossacks!

      Hooray then hooray ... but. If you sign an association with Europeds, you can forget about the enterprise stop Or, in another embodiment, offer to move to Russia))))
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 December 2013 12: 36
        10
        Or, in another embodiment, offer to move to Russia))))

        Together with the territory of the plant. Well, so as not to carry once again ... wink
    4. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 13 December 2013 13: 07
      +8
      and here's the news from the Duma:
      a new law is being introduced on punishment for failure to comply with the decrees of the President and for embezzlement of state money ...
      “According to the draft law, ineffective spending of public money means“ failure to achieve the results set by the government, ”as well as ensuring the necessary indicators in excess of the amount of spent budget funds. Officials will bear criminal and administrative responsibility for these violations.

      Such offenses committed on an especially large scale or by prior conspiracy by a group of people will be punished with fines, forced labor, and up to seven years in prison. "

      information taken from the site "RT in Russian"
      http://russian.rt.com/article/19654

      1. 311ove
        311ove 13 December 2013 13: 32
        +6
        But your news is even better! hi
        1. starhina01
          starhina01 13 December 2013 13: 54
          +3
          It’s a pity that they caught on late (but better late than never) hi
      2. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 13 December 2013 14: 54
        +3
        And here is a new law under consideration - on the admission of foreign pilots in Russia in order to eliminate the shortage of personnel. We are happy together.

        Soon, military pilots, but what about the pilots, in general, all the officers will be attracted as investments ... I mourn, of course, but it's scary all the same ...
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 13 December 2013 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: Lapotnik
          And here is a new law under consideration - on the admission of foreign pilots in Russia in order to eliminate the shortage of personnel. We are happy together.

          so, who is to blame? first, we destroy the training system (and all the "screamers" are happy - they say, saving finances), and then we try to restore it (by investing much more than "saved"). question: what is the logic? answer: in the cut of state funds ... what
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      4. self-propelled
        self-propelled 13 December 2013 16: 07
        +2
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        Such offenses committed on an especially large scale or by prior conspiracy by a group of people will be punished with fines, forced labor, and up to seven years in prison. "

        it’s better to choose, an ax, a rope with soap or a bullet ... winked
    5. aleksandrs95
      aleksandrs95 13 December 2013 22: 01
      0
      correctly, it is necessary to support. The Cossacks should not lose their competence, who else will help them. In the end, nothing is clear.
  2. svp67
    svp67 13 December 2013 10: 47
    +2
    According to the Interfax-AVN news agency, the GP Ivchenko-Progress (Zaporizhia) received a technical assignment from Russia for the creation of a more powerful aircraft engine than the AI-222-25, which is equipped with the Yak-130 combat training aircraft.
    It’s certainly good, but I’m afraid this will end ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 13 December 2013 10: 55
      +3
      [quote = svp67] It is certainly good, but I’m afraid this will end ...
      It is unlikely. The AI-222-25 engine is produced both at Salyut and in Zaporozhye. Yak-130 in series, the same is used in China.
      An example, so to speak, of fruitful cooperation.
      But if the political "Maidans" and all sorts of quirks continue, then production in Zaporozhye, of course, will wither.
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 13 December 2013 16: 17
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        But if the political "Maidans" and all sorts of quirks continue, then production in Zaporozhye, of course, will wither.

        why should Russia worry? the production of ANs in Russia continues, in spite of all these "Maidans".
        The AI-222-25 engine is produced and on "Salute", and in Zaporozhye
        .
    2. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 13 December 2013 11: 10
      0
      There is a need for light strike aircraft in the market after booking, there is not enough traction. So the prospect is good.
    3. Retx
      Retx 13 December 2013 11: 45
      +2
      At the beginning of the month Rogozin visited the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, in addition to aircraft factories, he was at shipyards and at the "Ukraine". So there will likely be more "news".
  3. albatross
    albatross 13 December 2013 10: 59
    +6
    "The terms of reference for the development of an engine with a thrust of up to 2900 kg have been received. The Ivchenko-Progress State Enterprise has begun work on the project," the agency's source said.

    As long as Ukraine makes high-tech products and cooperates with Russia, all is not lost. The good news comes without any "maydowns". +
  4. major071
    major071 13 December 2013 11: 00
    10
    Russia actually shows Ukraine that its industry is closely connected with Russia. It remains only to welcome such cooperation.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 13 December 2013 16: 19
      +3
      Quote: major071
      Russia actually shows Ukraine that its industry is closely connected with Russia

      and in the industrial regions of Ukraine understand this. therefore, they do not want to be associated with Europe.
  5. stariy
    stariy 13 December 2013 11: 02
    +4
    "Interfax-AVN", SE "Ivchenko-Progress" (Zaporozhye) received from Russia a technical assignment for the creation of an aircraft engine. Here's how to unite the country !!!!
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 December 2013 11: 03
    +4
    Well, they can work fine !!! Yak-130 in the series, asked for a more powerful engine, the work was taken for execution. What also interferes with the An-70 project? What generally hinders the establishment of joint work between Russian and Ukrainian enterprises in the same way?
    And about a light attack aircraft, it pleases if high-precision weapons are tied to it - to beat bandits most.
    1. the polar
      the polar 13 December 2013 18: 50
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      What generally hinders the establishment of joint work between Russian and Ukrainian enterprises in the same way?

      To root out oligarchy here and there, at the same time with the "fifth column" and nothing will interfere
  7. Akim
    Akim 13 December 2013 11: 08
    +3
    AI-222 engines are available today with a thrust of 2,5 and 2,8 tons. Most likely this draft will have 3 tons.
  8. avt
    avt 13 December 2013 11: 12
    +2
    I believe they will do as the Chinese supersonic version of the airplane.
  9. Neighbor
    Neighbor 13 December 2013 11: 17
    +8
    We need to work together, and work in such a way that the European Union stands in line with us. "Maidan" was invented to separate us from Ukraine and make us uncompetitive with the same European Union.
  10. mountain
    mountain 13 December 2013 11: 23
    -3
    Of course, such an engine is necessary, but there are doubts about the choice of a partner.
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 December 2013 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: mountain
      but there are doubts about choosing a partner.

      Remind me where in such things Ukraine threw Russia?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 13 December 2013 12: 21
        +7
        Quote: Akim
        Remind me where in such things Ukraine threw Russia?

        For example, with the destruction of the USSR Air Force bombers, when Ukraine started mocking and not waiting for money from Russia (which it simply didn’t have at that time), cut it for AMERICAN money, having received its 30 pieces of silver ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 December 2013 13: 19
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          and not waiting for money from Russia

          It is precisely that neither Russia nor Ukraine had any money. The goods belonged to Ukraine. She could not contain the Swans. EBN did not want to buy. This is the right of Ukraine to dispose of its property. "Varyag" for the same reason left for a penny. Now it is easy to blame, moreover, to make only one person to blame, although Russia's fault is no less.
          And what Ukraine threw to Russia, if Russia itself then refused? Moreover, the comparison is not correct. Do not invent. And then all sorts civil, generally consider Ukraine an enemy from such outside suggestion.
          1. mountain
            mountain 13 December 2013 14: 53
            +1
            ))) Are you satisfied with the answer of Corsair, Akim? Or should I add? But seriously, if you break in the EU, why, then start something.
            1. Akim
              Akim 13 December 2013 15: 12
              +2
              Quote: mountain
              Or should I add?

              Add only not from category: There is mine and the general.
              With France and the Czech Republic, which are members of the EU and NATO. it means it’s possible to cooperate, but if Ukraine simply signs the association, then it’s impossible?
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 14 December 2013 00: 46
            0
            Quote: Akim
            The product belonged to Ukraine.

            By chance, after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine got the NICAC bombers stationed in the Ukrainian SSR that did not fit into the format of the Armed Forces of independent Ukraine.
            And we must understand that their destruction (its consequences are still felt) has damaged the defense capabilities of the Russian Federation and has brought tension to bilateral relations.

            The question was whether the then leadership of Ukraine forced to cut the latest, most modern, crazy blinking, almost exclusive aircraft ???

            I, as a Ukrainian, am ashamed of what they did then and what is being done to the peak of Russia now ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 14 December 2013 08: 43
              +1
              Quote: Corsair
              The question was whether the then leadership of Ukraine was forced to cut

              And where to get the money for their maintenance? The plane is not a tank or a car. You just can’t preserve it. And it was a huge fleet. In addition to the Tu-160, there were also Tu-95 of various modifications. The only strategic bombers adopted by Ukraine were the Tu-22M3. I agree, cut for the sake of the Americans, but not in the west of Russia. If the Kremlin wanted to, he would have held negotiations for a long time, as well as on the BSF.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 14 December 2013 11: 05
                0
                Quote: Akim
                I agree, cut for the sake of the Americans, but not in the west of Russia.

                Then who is "zapadlo"?
                Quote: Akim
                The only ones accepted strategic bombers in the armament of Ukraine - were Tu-22М3.

                Well, for Ukraine, maybe they strategic, but this aircraft was created to fight against squadrons of ships, although in the presence of a refueling system, it has the ability to perform the functions of a "mini strategist", which, given their massiveness, created a headache for our "friends".
                Therefore, under the agreement (I don’t remember which one), refueling systems were dismantled, pilots do not work out refueling methods in the air ...
                Quote: Akim
                The plane is not a tank or a car. You just can’t preserve it.

                You are mistaken, take the trouble to "walk" the link:
                http://go-url.ru/dk0m
          3. Nikita_Pilot
            Nikita_Pilot 14 December 2013 10: 12
            0
            She could just preserve them! Why should they support them? Who asked her to touch them? They are also called brothers after that.
  11. Danash I
    Danash I 13 December 2013 11: 35
    +1
    Question to professional pilots and aircraft engineers from the life of a passenger. About the engine. I don’t understand what kind of a machine to make, not to drink a seagull. But add 200-5oo kg of thrust compared to the original one not small
    somehow not really. There is no need to minus-see. beginning.And the interaction of enterprises in the light of the ruin of the aircraft industry is not subject to criticism by definition, but the information is the opposite in the arguments of the week and our version. It is simply scary to read.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 December 2013 12: 41
      +2
      200-500 kg of traction, this is a big kick in accelerating such a baby. But I think that together with the new engine they will also redo the glider. Moreover, it is very strong.
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 December 2013 13: 23
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        But I think that together with the new engine they will also redo the glider. Moreover, it is very strong.

        If the dimensions remain, as on the 25th and 28th, then there will be no alteration.
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 13 December 2013 14: 44
          0
          Quote: Akim
          If the dimensions remain, as on the 25th and 28th, then there will be no alteration.

          Will be. It will most likely be made single, so that the volume for additional avionics and fuel is freed.
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 December 2013 15: 52
          0
          If the dimensions remain, as on the 25th and 28th, then there will be no alteration.

          It is doubtful. I agree with cherkas.oe, most likely it will be a single with extra. reservation and enlarged tanks.
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 13 December 2013 14: 25
      0
      Quote: danash i
      . But add 200-5oo kg of thrust compared to the original not small
      somehow not really.

      If the developer can add half a ton of thrust to the engine without changing its weight and size characteristics, then this will be an extraordinary result. And the 130 small engine will become faster and the load will be decent, only the rope glider will have to be strengthened and the suspension should be thought out more carefully, the equipment itself Detection and guidance also has weight and volume.
    3. askort154
      askort154 13 December 2013 15: 25
      +2
      I danash .... But add 200-5oo kg of thrust compared to the initial not small
      somehow not really. There is no need to minus-see.

      Any increase in aircraft thrust-to-weight ratio, as a rule, leads to an improvement in all
      flight characteristics (if you do not take into account fuel consumption).
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 December 2013 19: 04
        +1
        Quote: askort154
        (if you do not take into account fuel consumption).

        That's just the opposite. Fuel consumption is reduced. relative to the mass of the aircraft.
        1. askort154
          askort154 13 December 2013 20: 37
          +1
          Akim .... That's just the opposite. Fuel consumption is reduced. relative to the mass of the aircraft.

          I understood the train of your thoughts. Yes, if the thrust is not increased due to increased consumption
          fuel, and due to improved technologies, then, of course, the specific consumption will decrease. So I took it in brackets - (if you do not take into account fuel consumption), hoping that it would be clear anyway.
  12. propolsky
    propolsky 13 December 2013 11: 46
    +1
    A competent solution is to create a prototype, run it in all modes, and then put a stronger engine and hang on it whatever you want. If aerodynamics is what you need, you get a great car!
  13. Neighbor
    Neighbor 13 December 2013 12: 50
    +3
    Still, they decided something on the Tu-160, they wrote on the site that they were without engines.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 December 2013 15: 54
      0
      Still, the Tu-160 would have decided something

      Duc ... is working on PAK YES. Tu-160, I think, according to length of service, museums will be dismantled. It’s a pity to let such beauties be scrapped.
  14. VADEL
    VADEL 13 December 2013 12: 57
    +1
    "A good engine is an engine! It does not obey the Charter." Like in the movie "DMB" smile
  15. buga1979
    buga1979 13 December 2013 13: 28
    +1
    Quote: Edward72
    In St. Petersburg, new capacities are being built for the Klimov plant, and the task is being sent to Ukraine. It is still not clear how the map will lie in the somast.
    Yes, everything has already been decided. We are waiting for the end of the year. Preparing popcorn will be fun.
  16. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 13 December 2013 14: 32
    0
    Quote: buga1979
    Yes, everything has already been decided. We are waiting for the end of the year. Preparing popcorn will be fun.

    If I correctly understood your transparent hint, then I’ll buy vodka and bacon with lard, well, for entourage and champagne with marzipans to commemorate the idea of ​​European integration.
  17. user
    user 13 December 2013 15: 14
    +1
    cherkas.oe (5) RU Today, 14:32 PM New

    If I correctly understood your transparent hint, then I’ll buy vodka and bacon with lard, well, for entourage and champagne with marzipans to commemorate the idea of ​​European integration.

    I would like to believe in it, otherwise I’m afraid to even think what will happen to all this if the card does not lie so somastically.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 13 December 2013 23: 33
      0
      Quote: user
      I would like to believe in it, otherwise I’m afraid to even think what will happen to all this if the card does not lie so somastically.

      I share your concerns, but I really want to hope for the best option in this mess, since I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine and my soul flutters like a dog’s tail for them.
  18. standby
    standby 13 December 2013 16: 36
    +1
    Why another one? Given the "mouse fuss" around the issue of the serial production of the MiG-35 (and the need for such a machine is obvious), it seems to me that the news is about the creation of an afterburner version of the AI-225-25, for a supersonic trainer based on the Yak-130 which with fanfare (as we know how) will be passed off as a new lightweight alternative fighter to the MiG (much more ECONOMIC with great COMMERCIAL potential).


    It is very good! This means that the UAC sees great market prospects for the light attack aircraft based on the Yak-130, as efficient and affordable for potential buyers in countries that do not pull expensive aircraft (and there are many of them around the world, he still has competitors, especially according to the cost- efficiency will be small). But, as an attack aircraft, he needs to have the appropriate protection and the payload mass is higher than that of the UBS, naturally, while maintaining the dimensions and increasing the mass, a great thrust ratio is needed. MiG-35, he even in words will not replace!)
  19. EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 December 2013 16: 45
    0
    Well, let them do it, anyway, nobody needs this hypothetical shock Yak-130.
  20. mountain
    mountain 13 December 2013 17: 41
    0
    Quote: Akim

    Add only not from category: There is mine and the general.
    With France and the Czech Republic, which are members of the EU and NATO. it means it’s possible to cooperate, but if Ukraine simply signs the association, then it’s impossible?

    You see, they will not be slate workers, nor anything to share.
  21. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 13 December 2013 18: 26
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    All is correct. But many people understand a light fighter as a single-engine vehicle. Here I am leading to.
    Is not a fact. MIG 29 in the Russian Air Force is considered a light fighter (at least in comparison with SU 27 and a hedgehog with it) although it has two engines. The option of a subsonic light fighter based on the remarkable YAK 130 is quite even very promising ... (deletant opinion) hi
  22. Akim
    Akim 13 December 2013 19: 27
    +1
    The plane from Poroshenko, with two AI-222-25F.
    1. crambol
      crambol 13 December 2013 20: 52
      0
      Double-girder combat vehicle? Nonsense!
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 December 2013 00: 53
        +1
        Quote: crambol
        Double-girder combat vehicle? Nonsense!

        And this?
        By the way, the writer and pilot Antoine de Saint-Exupery died at the Lightning-intelligence officer ...
  23. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 13 December 2013 19: 42
    0
    You can successfully cooperate in the aircraft industry. BUT if in all sectors there was such an interaction (only honest and fair, without fools), then probably there were not any Maidan.
  24. fumanchu
    fumanchu 13 December 2013 21: 31
    +3
    Cheto my do not understand. They completely break off cooperation with Ukraine, and then such a plan.

    In principle, the right decision from an economic and industrial point of view. But who guarantees that corrupt politicians in Ukraine will not kill all the work or throw away some sort of byak.
  25. fumanchu
    fumanchu 13 December 2013 22: 03
    -3
    Quote: w.ebdo.g
    Yak-130


    All is correct. That's just an increase in power by 2x400 kgf for armor and payload, which is somehow not impressive. It is necessary to carry more fuel and fuel anyway. Looks like they will not give out more dimensions.
    Maybe I'm wrong, but some 15-20% more power, the weather will not be created. Could increase the size of the engine, and under it modify the fuselage and wing. In my amateurish opinion, this would make it possible not to fuck it off .. ok, but a full-fledged car.
  26. darksoul
    darksoul 13 December 2013 22: 29
    0
    and we work and brothers, well done
  27. DmitriVoronez
    DmitriVoronez 14 December 2013 00: 28
    0
    the newest, this is a well-forgotten old, upgrade, improve, see what happens, well done))
  28. VADEL
    VADEL 14 December 2013 05: 05
    -2
    Quote: kaktus
    Hurray to the Cossacks!

    URA-Odessa residents hi , Kharkovites hi Dnepropetrovsk hi..... hi
    SemiURA- Lviv crying ..... wassat
    Neura-Maidan tongue
  29. ed65b
    ed65b 14 December 2013 09: 01
    -1
    And these mother are their European integrators, they want to destroy such a production. Scum.
    Cossacks respect. hi
  30. Cristall
    Cristall 14 December 2013 13: 41
    +1
    I join, they are well done there in Zaporozhye, success in their work and in fruitful cooperation.