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From Suvorov to scientists

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From Suvorov to scientistsOn Thursday, December 12, Presidential Envoy to the Volga Federal District, Mikhail Babich announced the creation of the first in Russia Suvorov Military Scientific School. He said this at the Ministry of Defense at the ceremony of signing an agreement on sponsorship of the military department of Tatarstan, Bashkiria and Udmurtia.


According to him, the Minister of Defense supported the initiative to create another Suvorov school in the Volga district, in addition to the already three existing cadet corps. “An order was signed to create a joint working group of the Ministry of Defense and plenipotentiary representative for the establishment of the first Russian military scientific school in Suvorov,” Babich said.

He recalled that historically there is a network of Suvorov and Nakhimov schools in Russia, ITAR-TASS reports. “We took into account the positive experience in creating the first scientific company,” the plenipotentiary noted. According to him, “this experience concerns the attraction of very talented young people who manifest themselves in new scientific developments in the interests of the Ministry of Defense.”

According to him, the Suvorov Military Scientific School will recruit gifted, talented children with the prospect of their studies in universities. “We are creating a good base for training military-scientific specialists who will work in the interests of the Ministry of Defense and the defense industry of the country,” concluded Babic.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 13 December 2013 10: 43
    +5
    Everything is WONDERFUL and WONDERFUL ... Great successes and successes to the newly formed IED.
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 December 2013 11: 22
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      Everything is WONDERFUL and WONDERFUL ... Great successes and successes to the newly formed IED.
      Greetings. Remember who was previously admitted to the SVU (orphans). Now you look at the Yekatov IED and think. "Damn, how well the orphans began to live, so they can take them away in nefigovyh cars for them, they probably give excellent students Camry, Lexuhi, bombs, etc. with personal drivers."
      1. S-200
        S-200 13 December 2013 11: 40
        +4
        in-in ... WHAT "young scientific talents" are put there, we will "guess" by their fathers and grandfathers - hereditary "prodigies"! .. lol
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 13 December 2013 12: 13
          +5
          About the creation of the first Suvorov military scientific school in Russia.
          “We took into account the positive experience in creating the first scientific company” ... “this experience involves attracting very gifted young people who show themselves in new scientific developments in the interests of the Ministry of Defense”


          There is an additional offer. To open a military-scientific kindergarten with a toddler age group for the formation of military-scientific personnel "in the interests of the Ministry of Defense", starting from the child-potty age.
          What is really trifling there. Cadres decide everything.
      2. svp67
        svp67 13 December 2013 11: 59
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        Quote: Mechanic
        Welcome.

        Welcome hi
        Not without this ... but there are orphans and many who are, I really hope that at the end we realized that it IS NOT possible to LOSE CONTROL ABOUT EDUCATION OF TALENTS and the younger generation as a whole ...
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 13 December 2013 15: 05
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        in order to pick up the ridge in non-rig machines they come for them,

        A good friend of mine decided to send his grandson to Suvorovskoye. There is no light in Moscow. The generals have taken all the seats. I decided to try my luck further, it seems in Tver. But even there the general's grandchildren crossed the path to the lieutenant colonel's grandson. I would understand if it was the grandson of a general who died heroically in the Caucasus. But according to all reports, it is already clear that a rare general is killed or injured there. There are more little "generals" dying. Who do not always have children, but there is no question of grandchildren at all.
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 December 2013 18: 01
        +1
        I don’t think that they are “doing” you on the Tagil highway, it’s painfully you like to spur your “Ford” ... by the way, I tried it through Rezh-Nevyansk, I almost killed the suspension ....
        1. Armata
          Armata 13 December 2013 18: 36
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          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I don’t think that they are “doing” you on the Tagil highway, it’s painfully you like to spur your “Ford” ... by the way, I tried it through Rezh-Nevyansk, I almost killed the suspension ....
          Well, given that Rezh generally does not lie in the direction of Tagil, but just in the opposite direction, and even Ekat just turns to the other side. Well, the track is not even bad now there. From the city to Tagil 1-20, maximum 1-30 with a very bad situation.
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          2. atalef
            atalef 13 December 2013 19: 03
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            Quote: Mechanic
            Well, given that Rezh generally does not lie in the direction of Tagil, but just in the opposite direction, and even Ekat just turns to the other side. Well, the track is not even bad now there. From the city to Tagil 1-20, maximum 1-30 with a very bad situation.

            Hi Zhen. you be careful there hi
            The Olympic flame went from Yekaterinburg to Nizhny Tagil, but set fire to another torchbearer on the way
      5. atalef
        atalef 13 December 2013 19: 04
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        Quote: Mechanic
        "Damn, how well the orphans began to live, so they can take them to the uval in nefigovyh cars for them, they probably give excellent students Camry, Lexuhi, bombs, etc. with personal drivers.

        These are the great-grandchildren of Alkhen’s orphans laughing
  2. S-200
    S-200 13 December 2013 10: 51
    +3
    Kozhugetych, damn it ... what is trifling?
    сabout sperm the basics to start nada!
    Create Seed Fund of Military Science .
    To do this, you need to milk and freeze the entire gene pool of (talented scientists) of modern world science!
    (well, and Wasserman and Perelman will probably have to - forcefully call for surrender, as MILITARY! ... request )
    Thus, in 10-15 years, the genetic base for all of Russian science will be guaranteed to be created! wink
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 13 December 2013 11: 01
      +3
      There was already a group of milkmaids in the Moscow Region, the product was growing up, I went to school.
  3. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 13 December 2013 11: 25
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    SVU is a high-class, tough school for the formation of a male character in a team. "Cadets" have always been distinguished by bearing, health and knowledge. And with a scientific bias, something extraordinary should turn out.
    Good luck.
    1. user
      user 13 December 2013 14: 58
      +4
      The training of command personnel yes, but talented scientists - do not make me laugh.
      At one time, the Red Banner Military Institute named after Mozhaisky was transferring students for the 5th year with LETI and NETI in specialized military schools. So it turned out that engineering training (namely engineering, I don’t know about others) in civilian universities is an order of magnitude higher. And then they gathered to cook for the Research Institute of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
      Well, you can’t release talented designers this way. Talented engineers are possible, there are no designers. And how to distinguish such a talent at such an age, he did not even finish school, and no one even knows himself, including himself, I’m not talking about his abilities. Most of the fundamental technical disciplines, he does not even know what they are called.

      So how does Shoigu differ from Serdyukov?
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 13 December 2013 15: 14
        +1
        Quote: user
        Talented designers cannot be released this way.

        If you instill in the student a desire for design from the school desk, this is the most correct approach. Today they give only six months to drawing lessons in schools. Is this not the best preparation for future designers?
        1. Armata
          Armata 13 December 2013 15: 28
          +2
          Quote: Hedgehog
          If you instill in the student a desire for design from the school desk, this is the most correct approach. Today they give only six months to drawing lessons in schools. Is this not the best preparation for future designers?
          I can add. My little one in the 6th grade is taught according to the Galelo program and physics and chemistry. Russian language at the level - "Yours cannot understand mine." He does not know history at all, and then yells about the fact that the elder calls him, jo_hand, tu-sing, etc. And my mother stands up for him. I’m just silent.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 13 December 2013 16: 30
            +1
            Quote: Mechanic
            And mother stands up for him.

            And if not mom, then grandmother will find the time, place and reason to regret and intercede.
            I don’t know how lucky I am, but my granddaughter has been on the excellent board for 8 years. Now at least for a start I teach "Compass". The main thing is that you like it. And from the next class, they will begin specialization in profiles, humanities, physics and mathematics or something else. Although, the learning process is simplified to the limit. Copes with lessons in 1,5-2 hours. And to read, like all modern youth, in any.
      2. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 13 December 2013 17: 02
        -1
        That creates and does not destroy.
        IED graduates have always been the best at any university in the country.
  4. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 13 December 2013 11: 25
    +2
    To do this, it is necessary to fundamentally rebuild the entire civilian scientific platform (Hi, RAS). And I think the recent reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences will help in some places to bring such ideas to fruition. But there is a nuance. Firstly, the direction of such institutions will be completely unclear, and secondly, the military faculties, with the same technical or, say, medical universities, have completely accomplished their goals - they supplied competent military experts who can also be in the civilian fields of science.
  5. 787nkx
    787nkx 13 December 2013 11: 31
    0
    As a cadet, that IEDs are charged with raising commanders. My most capable classmate could not realize himself in military science, went to a civilian university. I think the creation of such an IED is the first step, then the creation of the corresponding departments in military universities or the revival of real military departments in large universities will follow .
    1. S-200
      S-200 13 December 2013 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: 787nkx
      The creation of such an IED is, I think, the first step, then the creation of the corresponding departments in military universities or the revival of real military departments in large universities will follow.

      In my time, military scientists were trained in specialized departments from the most talented graduates of the Higher School of Economics ...
      I consider the actions of the current Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu S.K. - opportunistic PRby the crap!
  6. faraon
    faraon 13 December 2013 11: 32
    -1
    Well, this is a good start for the restoration of the military structure of the Russian officers. And this should be welcomed. During the perestroika, the officers were very thin, only enthusiasts remained. We must begin the revival of the Russian officer corps.
  7. mountain
    mountain 13 December 2013 11: 34
    0
    The more schools there will be, including military ones, the more benefit they will bring to their country.
    1. S-200
      S-200 13 December 2013 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: mountain
      The more schools including military ones, the more benefits they will bring to their country

      Similarly - The more brothels in the city, the more beautiful the children in it ..
      laughing
      1. mountain
        mountain 13 December 2013 14: 58
        0
        wassat No children are born in a brothel. lol
  8. officer29
    officer29 13 December 2013 12: 06
    0
    I wonder what the selection criteria will be for this VCA? If earlier (in Soviet times) there was a selection for physical fitness, entrance exams in mathematics and the Russian language, then what will happen now? In theory, selection is also necessary according to the ability for scientific work, analytical ability, and so on ... How can such abilities be revealed in boys? And won't such a school become an incubator for the "sons" of local oligarchs who are unable to protect their children from the pernicious influence of the environment. because fathers are all in business, and mothers are in shopping? Officers-educators will have one headache, and the leadership will have "presents" in the form of summer cottages and other things ... request
  9. Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 13 December 2013 12: 17
    0
    Colleagues, good day to all!
    Tell me, is there at least one higher engineering school of communications in Russia today?
    Wikipedia only tells you that in Ulyanovsk, on the basis of the higher military technical school, attempts are being made to revive UVVIUS ... The rest are ALL DISFORMED ... angry

    Maybe Kuzhugetovich should pay attention to this too? winked

    He graduated from QUIDCUS in 1988 ...
    1. user
      user 14 December 2013 00: 22
      0
      In Novosibirsk, in the former communications institute, the GUTI is now at the military department or, as it is now called, they are training communications officers upon admission, they conclude an agreement with the RF Ministry of Defense + an increased scholarship, and the communications school in Kemerovo was closed.
  10. lukke
    lukke 13 December 2013 12: 57
    +3
    He recalled that in Russia historically exists net Suvorov and Nakhimov schools

    Fuck, well, what kind of style does the magazine have, the legacy of an effective manager? Like in network marketing. Is it really impossible to write Suvorov schools (when I was in the USSR it was 14 like) and one nakhimovskoe.
    Writers - learn the materiel. HELLO to all cadets
  11. pensioner
    pensioner 13 December 2013 14: 50
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    If this school really meets the stated goals, then for these Suvorovites you can only rejoice! I have a good example in my memory. One student was studying at EVACU. Amazing ability to math! And he himself did not suspect this before. I fell into good hands: with him began to engage in the head of the department of sopromat and applied mechanics, doctor of technical sciences Dryomin Vladimir Fedorovich! Bright memory to him! So: in Moscow they learned about this cadet, arrived, looked and took with them. Where didn’t they say ...
  12. Our
    Our 13 December 2013 15: 00
    +1
    no need to ridicule. a lot of talented guys in the ranks. Let them realize themselves. And they can make fun of everyone.
  13. pv1005
    pv1005 13 December 2013 18: 14
    +1
    A systematic and consistent work should be conducted on the selection and preparation of both team and scientific ones. From hundreds of 1-2 sensible heights have been reached and this is already good. It is impossible to type 100 geniuses at once. But the work should be conducted and not carried out public relations campaigns.
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 13 December 2013 19: 40
    +1
    Not for that the exam was introduced to produce scientists.
  15. andr327
    andr327 13 December 2013 22: 34
    0
    actually a real design engineer is a single thing!
    and where the modern education system will bring it, only God knows, the main thing is that I would not be lost !!!
  16. AlexA
    AlexA 13 December 2013 23: 09
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    Quote: user
    It turned out that engineering training (namely engineering, I don’t know about others) in civilian universities is an order of magnitude higher

    Do not tell. I reliably know the status of the issue, for example, in Perm. We compared the training of our cadets from PVKIU with specialized students from the Polytechnic and State University. The most talented students were stronger, more fundamental, I would say, of our excellent students. But the general ENGINEERING level of the bulk of our solid cadets was noticeably more decent than the average level of students of the corresponding profile. In civilian universities in Perm there were direct analogies. Of course, it was in decent times. When the country really needed a skilled military. And we felt it. And the people came to us stronger than the citizen. Mainly - more responsible and organized. Hence the level. If the leadership begins to erupt in understanding the importance of qualification of military personnel, God forbid. Would not jinx it ...
  17. AlexA
    AlexA 13 December 2013 23: 18
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    By the way, we have reported here in Perm that the leadership of the Volga region has not yet refused the project for the deployment of this school in the town of military unit 54090. This is a dozen of our former missile divisions. 40 km from Perm. In principle, in Perm for such a school there will be personnel from the Strategic Rocket Forces Strategic Missile Forces disbanded in 2003. Both commanders and teachers are all here.
  18. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 14 December 2013 08: 00
    +2
    Quote: Dmitry 2246
    SVU is a high-class, tough school for the formation of a male character in a team. "Cadets" have always been distinguished by bearing, health and knowledge. And with a scientific bias, something extraordinary should turn out.
    Good luck.


    After Serdyukov's reforms, the SVU is far from being a high-class, tough school of formation ... Withdrawn from the MO, apparently as non-core, they turned into boarding schools. In the absence of regular military personnel and real military discipline, they are increasingly turning into masses that are difficult to control. well, etc. (And the kids are more and more bureaucratic people, as already noted above, each with his own ambition and "Merc"). Every year visiting the Sverdlovsk SVU on the next anniversary of its creation, every year I am convinced of this. But nevertheless, it is believed that these are the costs of today's realities.
    And 19.12.2013/70/XNUMX. the next visit to the Yekaterinburg (Orel, Sverdlovsk) IEDs on the occasion of its XNUMXth anniversary, meeting with friends of childhood and youth, and, having become relatives, walls.
    Therefore, I also want to wish old and new IEDs and QCs - good luck!