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India will not buy BMP-3

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India, the largest purchaser of Russian armaments and military equipment, refused the infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3 offered to it. According to the information of the Defense News, 18 November, during the meeting of the Indo-Russian intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation, the Indian side announced its decision. The Indian military decided not to buy Russian-made BMPs and continue to develop their own FICV project (Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle - “Futuristic Infantry Fighting Vehicle”).




Indian promising FICV BMP at DEFEXPO 2012


About a possible contract for the supply of India infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3 became known about a year ago. Then the Russian side offered the Indian military to update the fleet of ground forces vehicles, acquiring BMP-3 vehicles. Currently, the infantry fighting vehicles BMP-1 and Soviet-made BMP-2 are being used in the Indian armed forces. This technique no longer suits the Indian Ministry of Defense, and the FICV program was launched several years ago to replace it. As an alternative to their own equipment, Russian officials responsible for the export of weapons offered India to purchase the required number of BMP-3 vehicles.

Last December, it was reported that Russia could also sell a license for the manufacture of infantry fighting vehicles to India and transfer some technologies. However, for this, according to the publication Defense News, the Indian military had to abandon the implementation of its own FICV program. At that time, the armed forces of India wanted to get 2600 new cars worth about 10 billion US dollars. It is probably the size of the program that caused the final decision to be made only after a few months.

Another reason for this could be some features of the FICV program. The fact is that the program to develop its own BMP has not yet yielded any results. Several Indian companies have already created their projects, and construction of prototypes will begin in the foreseeable future. Serial production of FICV combat vehicles will begin no earlier than 2017-18, due to which over the next years the ground forces of India will have to use old equipment. In addition, some time will be spent on the construction of a sufficient number of serial machines. Thus, the FICV program can have a noticeable impact on the state of the ground forces not earlier than the beginning of the next decade.


BMP-3


In the light of the technical features, timing and cost of the FICV program, the purchase of Russian-made BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles looked like an interesting proposition. The organization of licensed production and the transfer of a number of technologies also spoke in favor of abandoning their own project. Because of this, the Indian military, responsible for the choice of technology, had to analyze the possibilities of industry and the consequences of a decision for several months. As it became known now, the Russian proposal did not suit the Indian Ministry of Defense.

The FICV program is rather difficult for the Indian industry, although it will have a lot of positive consequences. Indian enterprises have not previously engaged in such projects and have no experience in developing infantry fighting vehicles. At the beginning of the program, the Indian military emphasized that only local manufacturers would be involved in the development of a promising BMP. Nevertheless, some participants in the competition for the development of technology attracted to the design work of foreign colleagues. In particular, the company Mahindra Defense Systems is creating a new BMP in collaboration with the concern BAE Systems.

According to the technical specifications, development companies must submit a draft tracked infantry fighting vehicle capable of carrying at least eight fighters with weapons and equipment. The armored hull of the vehicle must protect the crew and landing force from 14,5 caliber armor-piercing bullets. The armament complex should include an automatic gun, machine guns and an anti-tank missile system. The crew of the car should consist of three people. Finally, the FICV BMP must cross the water barriers and be suitable for landing from military transport aircraft.

The development of such a technique is a difficult task for Indian designers who have no experience in building BMPs. Therefore, the FICV program is designed not only to provide the armed forces with new armored vehicles, but also to teach Indian engineers to create infantry fighting vehicles. This particular feature of the project was probably the main reason for the final decision of the Indian military. Successful completion of the FICV program will allow further development of new armored vehicles for infantry. In addition, we should not forget that in the production of own-developed equipment, most of the allocations will remain in the country and also support the local industry.

The timing of the FICV program is such that over the next few years, the Indian armed forces will have to exploit the old types of Soviet-made equipment. Currently, the Indian Ministry of Defense plans to carry out a large-scale modernization of the BMP-2 machines. There is no exact information on this subject yet, but it seems that Indian enterprises will be engaged in the repair and modernization of equipment.


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  1. Field
    Field 13 December 2013 08: 02
    +8
    looks like a deuce with a "body kit"
    1. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 13 December 2013 11: 02
      +4
      The layout is more like
      1. GDP
        GDP 13 December 2013 13: 47
        +3
        Thought about the same ... A good, but painfully expensive toy, besides very difficult to manufacture ...
        Will they pull something like that and is it worth it?
        In the tender for a new Indian fighter, European Typhon was preferred over 35. Of course, he’s better at some point in the 35 moment - in the thrust-weight ratio, range, but in close combat, maximum speed and maneuverability is inferior ... But the price ?!
        One typhon will cost them almost like three moments!
        120 millions vs 45!
        Oh, no matter how the friends of the Indians miscalculated with the BMP ...
        1. standby
          standby 13 December 2013 16: 21
          +5
          Actually, they preferred the French Rafale, but they still haven’t agreed on the conditions, but they won’t definitely replay the tender!
          1. GDP
            GDP 13 December 2013 16: 47
            -1
            They chose Rafale and typhon, but the difference in money is not a significant cost of the modern modification of Rafale 124 million ...
        2. Jake danzels
          Jake danzels 13 December 2013 18: 56
          +2
          Quote: GDP
          A good but painfully expensive toy, which is also very difficult to manufacture ...
          Will they pull something like that and is it worth it?

          If you pull it is good for India, experience. If you don’t pull well for the Russian defense industry, there will be an order.
        3. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 13 December 2013 20: 48
          +2
          Quote: GDP
          a nice but painfully expensive toy, which is also very difficult to manufacture ...


          The Indians have been trying for several years to create their own tank that will surpass the T-90, BUT even after their "novelty" allegedly surpassed our BM in its performance characteristics, the order for it is small. It will be the same with the BMP.
          1. Patton5
            Patton5 14 December 2013 12: 58
            0
            For more than 20 years they have been trying to give birth to their arjun, but all the same, he was born
        4. Shur
          Shur 13 December 2013 23: 02
          +1
          Not that and obviously all of this, here is the article http://army-news.ru/2012/02/istrebitel-mig-35-ili-zachem-nam-4/
          Duck and service like a "foreign car". Hindus are no strangers to walking on nails :)
      2. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 13 December 2013 16: 21
        +1
        For me it really looks more like the BMP 2 in "tuning". You can feel the influence of Soviet cars and many years of successful operation. And outwardly quite nice cars ... I think the establishment of independent production by the Indians of BMP 3 and the transfer of "some" technologies to them, will allow India to create its own BMP of a decent level within the timeframe specified by them, otherwise the development of the machine will be significantly delayed ...
      3. bask
        bask 14 December 2013 00: 45
        0
        Quote: Jake Danzels
        The layout is more like

        Where is the heavy armored vehicles, where are there without the Germans.
        "" NEW DELHI ..... Tata Motors is also trying to tie up with foreign companies after the deal with Rheinmetall "" "http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121220/DEFREG03/312200004
        / Russia-Nudge-India-Toward-Buying-BMP-3s? Odyssey = tab | topnews | text | FRONTPAGE
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        2. Aryan
          Aryan 18 December 2013 00: 07
          0
          Well, let them continue riding elephant warriors sad
  2. 311ove
    311ove 13 December 2013 08: 28
    +4
    Well, what can I say, it remains only to regret the lost profit .... But the Indians are great! They think about the country first of all! When, instead of our "effective managers", there will be such "Indians" ... or "Chinese" .... winked repeat
    1. avt
      avt 13 December 2013 10: 11
      +5
      Quote: 311ove
      Well, what can I say, one can only regret the lost profit .... But the Indians are well done! They think about the country first!

      laughing These "fellows" how many years have they been making their own tank! ?? And what do they ride in the end? All this looks like a banal razvodilovo. Rather, they want something newer, and they did not offer anything Western, so they blackmail - they say with a mustache and we have Sikhs with turbans, we remember how to do vimans, and let us cook BMPs. laughing
      1. 311ove
        311ove 13 December 2013 14: 18
        +2
        How can they get the second question. I'm not talking about that! Well done, they are, I repeat, WHAT THINK ABOUT THE COUNTRY, about their own production, the "surplus value" (so it is) remains. To the point that we have succeeded in a lot .... "Competent economists" at the top to what extent have the industry been brought? Or are you satisfied with everything?
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 13 December 2013 20: 51
          +4
          Quote: 311ove
          , "surplus value" (so what) remains with itself.


          If, in addition to surplus value, there was still a new technique, then well done. But you carefully read the requirements - for floating, landing, cannon and missile weapons, and the capacity for 8 fighters, and even protection against 14,5 mm! Something I have very big doubts that the Indian army will see these wonderful machines in the coming years 30.
          1. builder74
            builder74 14 December 2013 03: 24
            0
            Something, let them see. But, in any case, there will remain an OWN design school, and industry. In my opinion 311 ove talks about this.
            1. Patton5
              Patton5 14 December 2013 13: 10
              0
              Then they had to call the program a futuristic BMP of yesterday, because one cannot create "advanced" equipment without having created nothing at all ... The Chinese have been tirelessly riveting for several decades, and then their cars look more than controversial
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 December 2013 15: 28
      +2
      Trouble is laughing at them now. There were already plenty of such teenage "we ourselves" from India, ours each time shrugged their shoulders, and after a while they calculated the income from the next contract.
      1. 311ove
        311ove 13 December 2013 19: 36
        +2
        God forbid, as they say! I will be very happy for our industry!
      2. bask
        bask 14 December 2013 00: 41
        +1
        Quote: EvilLion
        In particular, Mahindra Defense Systems is creating a new BMP in collaboration with BAE Systems.


        The British company BAE Systems introduced a modernized BMP-1 2 with a combat module TRT. The TRT DBM includes a 25 mm M242 Bushmaster automatic gun.
        The British will fight for the tender for the modernization of BMP 1 2.
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 14 December 2013 13: 12
          0
          So they are not happy with the weapons of the BMP-2 sewed on soap, but not inhabited!?
    3. AVV
      AVV 13 December 2013 22: 36
      +1
      For them, the Indians, it would be better and faster to begin joint development and joint release of a new model of infantry fighting vehicles for the needs of themselves !!!
  3. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 13 December 2013 08: 37
    +6
    As they say, the owner is a master. But I wonder if the creation of a new BMP will turn into a long-term construction of the MBT "Arjun" type?
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 13 December 2013 08: 43
      +2
      let them try, in the near future they will probably turn to ours in order to purchase equipment, and at least master some technologies
  4. Akim
    Akim 13 December 2013 08: 44
    +6
    India intends to upgrade 1400 BMP-1/2. So it makes sense to fight here.
    1. sapran
      sapran 13 December 2013 09: 34
      +2
      Yes, we studied the issue of our modules and work on the MTO. But there is no specifics yet, they are asking for a prototype for sea and fire tests on the spot ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 December 2013 10: 03
        +3
        Quote: sapran
        But there is no specifics yet, they are asking for a prototype for sea and fire tests on the spot ...

        India has its own options for modernization. With a 40 mm cannon and domestic ATGMs (based on Lahat).
  5. IGS
    IGS 13 December 2013 09: 39
    10
    India is growing economically and is starting to move away from Russia, most of the projects were joint, the Indians gained experience, technology, production, now they do not need us. It is quite adequate behavior of any state. It can be kept in our zone of influence only with breakthrough technologies, and not jointly created, and not transferred under license, otherwise they become a raw materials appendage of developments and ideas, and not only for India.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 December 2013 18: 02
      +2
      So far, India has not created ANYTHING itself.
      1. IGS
        IGS 13 December 2013 21: 10
        +3
        Will create. Like China. It may be awkward at first, but they have the means and the desire. We gave them the development of the USSR, and not only for no reason, and saved them at least 30 years.
        1. builder74
          builder74 14 December 2013 03: 26
          0
          Of course it will. "... who wants, he will achieve"! See the experience of the pre-war USSR.
          1. Patton5
            Patton5 14 December 2013 13: 17
            0
            Nothing she will create, India is not China
      2. bask
        bask 14 December 2013 01: 00
        0
        Quote: EvilLion
        So far, India has not created ANYTHING itself.

        But will create.
        The Indians are not satisfied with Russian technology, Western Padawi.
        "" "India has been implementing a tender for the purchase of 4 promising FICV infantry fighting vehicles for 2600 years. The country's army plans to select two finalists who will fight for a contract worth 50-60 billion rupees (9-11 billion dollars). New infantry fighting vehicles should replace obsolete Soviet BMP-2. As of June 2012, four Indian companies that submitted responses to requests for proposals in October 2010 participated in the competition, including Tata Motors, Mahidra Group, Larsen & Turbo and the Government weapons factories (OFB). "" "http://wartelegraph.ru/indiya-otkazalas-ot-rossijskogo-predloz
        heniya-po-licenzionnomu-proizvodstvu-bmp-3 /
        Representatives of firms and engineers of these companies are already undergoing training at factories in Sweden and Israel.
        1. IGS
          IGS 14 December 2013 04: 53
          0
          This is what alarms, they take the best from us and the West, without bothering while we "compete". India acted smarter than China with its copying, she, I do not know how successfully, adopted from us the best methods of our design school., Through all these joint ventures.
          1. Patton5
            Patton5 14 December 2013 13: 22
            +1
            Remember Pushkin !!!
            About how many wonderful discoveries
            Prepare the spirit of enlightenment
            And experience, son of difficult mistakes,
            And genius, the paradoxes friend
            And the case, god inventor ...
    2. Shur
      Shur 13 December 2013 23: 21
      0
      Then it’s more likely for kata .. They don’t ask us at all, you know copy yourself.
  6. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 13 December 2013 09: 52
    +2
    Quote: Field
    looks like a deuce with a "body kit"

    It seemed the same to me. Most likely the Indians will follow this path, the deep modernization of the BMP-2. Cheap and cheerful. Otherwise, a completely new car, and not even having any experience with it at all, is simply not possible to develop in two years. Unless, of course, foreign firms take over this.
    1. Shur
      Shur 13 December 2013 23: 24
      +1
      Rather, modifications like "stealth" will be introduced and stuffed with electronics. Then they will trumpet about the "breakthrough" and start offering them on the markets of the "third" world countries.
  7. makarov
    makarov 13 December 2013 10: 28
    +4
    you will not be forcibly sweet. let them slurp out of Indian bast shoes to the fullest ... what would later be appreciated
  8. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 13 December 2013 11: 12
    +1
    Colleagues, tell me, is there a real possibility / need to install 57mm anti-aircraft guns on an infantry fighting vehicle?
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 December 2013 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: Evgeny_Lev
      But is there a real opportunity / need to install 57mm anti-aircraft guns on the BMP?

      There is an opportunity - there is no need.
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 15 December 2013 11: 11
        0
        And why, in fact? To shoot down drones is the most
  9. VADEL
    VADEL 13 December 2013 11: 42
    +3
    Quote: IGS
    It can be kept in our zone of influence only with breakthrough technologies, and not jointly created, and not transferred under license, otherwise they become a raw materials appendage of developments and ideas, and not only for India.

    You have to have like the Americans: arrogance, Hollywood and PR.
  10. the47th
    the47th 13 December 2013 12: 26
    +1
    Indian promising FICV BMP at DEFEXPO 2012

    In the photo she is knee-high. How will the infantry move in it? BMP-3 will be any more.
  11. Strashila
    Strashila 13 December 2013 13: 01
    +1
    It's okay ... they’ve brought their tank to mind for years ... and at the same time they are buying the T-90, they will start introducing their BMP ... we will sell them the BMP-3 in addition.
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  14. Phoeniks
    Phoeniks 13 December 2013 14: 27
    +2
    Well, their project FICV (Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle - "Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle") is very similar to our "Atom" which we, together with the French, made a prototype. The French only do the chassis and everything else is ours. The cannon is especially similar.
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    3. Phoeniks
      Phoeniks 13 December 2013 14: 31
      +3
      smile

      Here's a video. )))) smile
      1. Phoeniks
        Phoeniks 13 December 2013 14: 55
        +1
        Here's a little more about him))))))

        smile
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    5. Shur
      Shur 13 December 2013 23: 26
      0
      The same "partners" just .. lol
  15. knn54
    knn54 13 December 2013 15: 11
    +3
    The Russian defense industry has more than once presented New Delhi with "surprises": the long-term construction of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Gorshkov", difficulties in obtaining (terms, quality) spare parts for already purchased Russian equipment.
    India, which claims to be among the world leaders in the future, does not want to depend on one, albeit a trusted partner. Nothing personal, diversification.
    PS When it became known that the American F-16 and F-18 are no longer participating in the competition, US Ambassador to India Timothy Roemer announced his resignation ...
    PP.S Or maybe the rollback amount didn’t work?
    1. Shur
      Shur 13 December 2013 23: 31
      0
      Let them build it themselves. It is only thought that the same Yankees will immediately ruin ... Nothing will come of them quickly either. They will muddle, everything becomes more expensive, then they will hand over unfinished trash. Politics is all there ... they need it to put pressure on Kata.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 14 December 2013 13: 28
        0
        What do you think are building yourself? In my understanding, this is with your mind and strength in Indian this is a close collaboration, where the Indian will be 30% of the force!
  16. EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 December 2013 15: 30
    +1
    A. Khlopotov writes in his blog:
    Gur Khan: The struggle between the Army and the military-industrial complex in India sometimes takes the most bizarre forms, alien to elementary logic. Of course, no one argues that from the point of view of the development of national industry, it is necessary to try to equip the army with our own weapons, of our own production. But this is only if the industry has something to offer. I don’t know about other industries, but the production of armored vehicles in India is very tight. They cannot fully master licensed production from the supplied sets, what can we say about completely national technology ... The same "Arjun" is nothing more than a "white elephant". You need to support the viewers "design school" ... mother-crush .... what nafig their school? First class full of repeaters!


    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/12/3.html
  17. Kir
    Kir 13 December 2013 16: 22
    +1
    But someone drew parallels. between the training of military experts and the elites, can the root of the problems be where they studied? And ours, too, let’s say an indistinct policy for the development and procurement of weapons, let’s say that they do not contribute to creating a positive image of the proposed products of the domestic defense industry.
  18. Arh
    Arh 13 December 2013 16: 46
    +1
    or Indian FICV or Russian - French Atom, the main thing is to be the best in its class! ! !
  19. samoletil18
    samoletil18 13 December 2013 21: 40
    +1
    T-90 Indians, we can say, saved us. But the BMP-3 did not want to. It was they after the "Vikramaditya" offended, along the way. Bad news.
    1. bask
      bask 14 December 2013 01: 17
      0
      Mahindra Defense Systems is creating a new BMP in collaboration with BAE Systems.

      If Indians have chosen, BAE Systems for collaboration.
      This means the BTR 8/8, similar to the RG41, and the tracked infantry fighting vehicle, like the CV-90.
  20. fumanchu
    fumanchu 13 December 2013 22: 51
    +1
    Quote: Standby
    Actually, they preferred the French Rafale, but they still haven’t agreed on the conditions, but they won’t definitely replay the tender!


    Rafal was dying before the Indian tender. I think the Indians on the paw from the desault fell through. It was vital for them to win the tender and the Indians to scroll through some fraud with credit. Therefore, now they cannot agree. Evidently the French threw them with their promises and now they are rowing back.

    It was noticeable that the justification for the win was somehow stretched. Everything is somehow off topic.

    But all the same, the development is not good in relation to Russian weapons. Something very often they began to refuse.
    Now they have money, the cat cried. Maybe the attitude will change in the future.
  21. Shur
    Shur 13 December 2013 23: 10
    0
    In general, they could offer India to jointly design their wunderwaffe ... And so will Russia fick and they have hemorrhoids. And again, we went to the "Western partners". The West is apparently a derivative of "zapadlo" ..
  22. poquello
    poquello 14 December 2013 01: 20
    +1
    "Therefore, the FICV program is designed not only to provide the armed forces with new armored vehicles, but also to teach Indian engineers to create infantry fighting vehicles."

    You won’t be forcibly sweet, let them learn and see the result