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Food security of the Russian Federation. Successes and failures. Part of 2. A lot of bread is good, a lot of meat is better

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Honestly, before starting work on this article, I could not even guess how extensive this industry is and how many nuances there are, respectively, I will be happy to hear the opinions and comments of farmers-breeders on my work, which is simply doomed to be slightly "superficial".


Food security of the Russian Federation. Successes and failures. Part of 2. A lot of bread is good, a lot of meat is better


Above, I wrote about the summer rally of St. Petersburg oppositionists, who posted leaflets in the subway with clear propaganda against the “badist”. Sustained in the style of Soviet propaganda, these agitations made a stunning impression on the fragile minds of the liberal frantic youth. The post quickly went to the top LiveJournal and collected a few hundred enthusiastic comments (critical ones were not allowed - the freedom of speech is the same). The fragile minds for themselves learned the main meme: the last years, namely the 10-13 years, is an economic failure in all directions.

Regarding our topic today was this agitation.



Simply put, beef is bad. And again we recognize: this is true, albeit unpleasant. But, as usual, not all.

It is clear that the meat industry consists not only and not so much of beef: pork, poultry and lamb are also in our meat ration. And if not to tell the whole truth, it turns out that we are still selling oil, and with the money we buy we buy food (in fact, we are being pushed towards this conclusion). Or just change: we give them a barrel of fuel oil - they give us a dozen chops.

In fact, the picture is more optimistic. And in order to prove this, we will analyze the main branches "from" and "to". We look at such parameters as livestock, slaughter weight, productivity and so on.

To show the general situation in the sector, I offer you a chart of livestock products (cattle + poultry) over the past 13 years, the rightmost column (on all charts) will be responsible for the 1990 year, so to speak, for comparison between the RSFSR and the Russian Federation.



We see a catastrophic fall, starting with the collapse of the USSR and up to 1999, it was more than 2, after that we are seeing a dynamic growth, and as of 2012, the lagging behind the RSFSR is only 20%, whereas in 1999 it was 60%. Now we will consider the livestock industry in its main sectors: cattle, poultry, pork.

1) Let's start with the "painful topic" - beef. For a start, let's see how the cattle population has changed from 1999 to 2012.



From 1990 to 1999, the livestock fell by half, then events developed with varying success, but the livestock went down, albeit not at a gallop, as in 90's.

Now let's look at such a parameter as the slaughter weight of cattle, in other words, the amount of meat (beef) that the country produced in different years.



The picture in general corresponds to the previous schedule, however, the fall over 8 years after the collapse of the USSR was more than two times, in the subsequent 13 years there were no such failures, and the general trend is not clear, since the periods of growth of volumes are replaced by periods of recessions, though noncritical . By the way, in 2013, the figures went up again, as evidenced by decline in imports. It would not be superfluous to say that the population of the USSR was also experiencing problems with beef, and indeed with meat, about which there were even jokes.

But the production of cattle on meat does not end there, there are still dairy products. Let's look at the situation with milk.



The picture is similar to the one that we have already seen above, but with the difference that milk production does not experience any special fluctuations, and the fall in the first 8 years of "sovereign" Russia was less than two times, namely 35-40% (let's remember this moment).

It would be wrong not to mention another such parameter as productivity, in our case, it is necessary with 1 cows per year.



Here we see a much more positive picture, in 99-m the productivity of the "average" cows fell by 20%, but in subsequent years it did only that it grew and grew 1,6 times or 60%. Technology guys!

Now, in fact, we will try to at least a little to understand the reasons for this situation. I think the main reason is clear to all of us: due to the dire consequences of the collapse of the USSR and the succession of "imposed" reforms, the cattle livestock, and behind it the production of meat, swooped down at a very high speed. As a result, by 2000, the strongest collective farm or agricultural enterprise “survived”, in Darwinist it is called natural selection, and in the economy - capitalism. In relation to Russia, there were several other factors, a little less significant or purely “national”. As the saying goes, “to break - not to build” or “what we have, do not store, if we lose - we cry”, in our situation these phrases are just as useful as the livestock that has been growing over the years has been lost in some 8 years, In the following years, the state had a lot more serious problems, and purposefully the issue began to be solved only 5 years ago. As for the situation with milk, the conclusion can be made on the basis of the following data.

The number of cows (namely, cows) in 1999 decreased by 1,5 times, in the same period, milk production decreased by the same 1,5 times, but by 2012, the number of cows decreased already 2,3 times in relation to 1990 and 1,5 times in relation to 1999, however, the reductions were reduced only 1,75 times (to 1990) and did not change in relation to 1999.

From all this, we can conclude that with the dairy industry, things are, in principle, very good, and the recipe for "complete recovery" is quite trivial: to increase the livestock and productivity of "one head", however, in practice it does not look like that .

The problems of beef production (and milk, respectively) are rooted in the fact that the sector simply shows negative development indicators. In other words, with the 2000 year, with varying success, the livestock of animals is either decreasing or growing, and the situation with production volumes is about the same. This is primarily due to the culture of consumption of this meat, as well as to the low investment attractiveness - because it is more difficult to raise a cow than the same pig or chicken. Equally negatively affect private investment and long payback periods of projects, price fluctuations, unpredictable weather, etc., which is typical of our natural area.

Moreover, in the production of beef in slaughter weight, 90% is still accounted for dairy breeds. For comparison: in European countries, the share of beef cattle accounts for 40-50% livestock, and, for example, in Brazil - 95%. That is, beef production in our country is still a kind of secondary process in the production of milk. In the first place among the breeds of "beef" cattle should be put Aberdeen-Angus breed: it has high adaptive and productive properties. Aberdeen-Angus became the number one breed in beef cattle breeding in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and a number of other countries. For example, in the USA over the past 10 years, the proportion of the Angus population has increased from 60 to 70% and continues to grow. With intensive cultivation and fattening, bulls reach a live weight of 600 kg at the age of 15-16 months with average daily gains over the whole cycle more than 1 kg (!!!), and the slaughter yield is 60%. Moreover, carcasses correspond to the highest quality categories according to Russian and international standards. In Russia, the Aberdeen-Anguses of a modern large type have proven themselves in terms of the application of innovative technologies and with year-round housing maintenance in Kaluga, Voronezh, Bryansk, Lipetsk, and a number of other areas. Under these conditions, livestock safety is at least 98%.

Now I have a question for specialists: how much time is needed to double the livestock of a certain breed? It should not be forgotten that part of the grown gobies must go under the knife, since any agricultural enterprise needs money. It has been said above that in ten years the proportion of Angus in the livestock has increased by 10%, that is, by 1% per year. Affects me, this process will have to take more than one "five-year" period. As far as I know from my rural childhood, a cow’s “pregnancy” lasts from 7 to 9 months.

But the state is ready to support effective producers. In particular, subsidies are provided for the purchase of pedigree cattle; refundable interest rate on loans. Moreover, for meat cattle from the federal budget 100% of the Central Bank refinancing rate is compensated. In addition, when insuring farm animals to a producer at the expense of the federal and regional budgets, 50% of the insurance cost is compensated. Support is also being provided in the framework of co-financing of economically significant regional programs for the development of beef cattle breeding. These are all positive signals for the market.

However, it should be recalled that in recent years a whole series of large projects in the field of industrial beef production was announced. Especially here we should highlight the Bryansk project Miratorg, which, by estimation, will be able to cover the country's demand for this kind of meat with 10%. It is expected that with the commissioning of these projects, the production indicators in the segment will begin to grow again. Moreover, the import of pedigree livestock in the Russian Federation is growing from year to year, as evidenced by new enterprises and farms, for example:
Miratorg Agro-Industrial Holding Completes Acceptance of 7 900 Heads of Aberdeen-Angus Breeding Cattle from Australia (The number of breeding cattle on the Miratorg farms in the Bryansk region on 2 in November 2012 exceeded sixty thousand heads.)
The first batch of breeding cattle in 2013 was delivered to Russia (2 293 heads of highly productive cattle)
"4200 frost-resistant cows from the USA sailed to the Kaliningrad region"
Miratorg Agribusiness Holding delivered the largest batch of Aberdeen-Anguses to the Bryansk region - 13 thousand heads
Over 18 of thousands of cattle arrived in Russia from Australia
Bryansk region: Miratorg built a cattle farm on 4000 headsby increasing the number of sites to 27
Montbeliard arrived in Voronezh region
Record number of livestock sent Altai breeders to the Republic of Sakha
ABH Miratorg delivered to the Bryansk region another batch of cattle from the USA (the next, already the sixteenth in a row, a batch of animals of the breed Aberdeen-Angus. The total number of the arrived breeding livestock was 4 049 heads.)
Two-fold increase in the number of pedigree cattle in the Bryansk region (throughout 2012, 43 764 heads of breeding cattle were received by Bryansk farms, which is twice as many as in 2011)

In the Novgorod region a large agricultural enterprise for beef cattle breeding is being created.. (The essence of the project: the creation of a breeding reproducer for breeding cattle of Aberdeen-Angus breed with its own broodstock 4000 heads, a specialized fattening complex with a capacity of more than 6000 heads, production and sale of beef meat products. Project implementation period: 2012-2019 years).

The list is far from complete, you can independently walk on the Internet in search of this information. But when analyzing the number of imported heads, keep in mind that one such bull stands like a used car, about 3,5 thousand dollars.

In general, today several projects are being implemented in beef cattle with a total investment of over 35 billion rubles. But so far this is not enough for our country. A noticeable player in the Russian beef market - with an adequate level of investment - we can become in the next 5-7 years.

According to the forecasts of the Ministry of Agriculture of Russia, the state support of the development of cattle will allow to double the livestock in the country by 2020. Consistent government policy in this area will not only create efficient industrial production of beef and meat breeds and provide consumers with high-quality, environmentally friendly meat produced in Russia, but also solve many social problems of the village, including the general increase in living standards in rural areas.

As a result, the future of Russian cattle breeding inspires cautious optimism and does not at all incline to panic moods, as the participants of the action “Kind Car of Half-Truth” wanted.

2) Now let's move on to another area of ​​animal husbandry - piglets.



As you can see, the "traditional" double fall in livestock in 1999 and slow, but stable growth since 2005 year, which is good news.

Now look at the proportion of products.



In general, for the pork, I am personally calm. Judging by the pace of recent times, Gorbachev’s time will soon be catching up: in two or three years. Have you noticed that livestock growth and production growth are disproportionate? This once again suggests that our agriculture has gradually overcomes the difficult path from the “traditionally Soviet” approach to the modern - high-tech one.

3) Next in line is the situation with poultry meat. Let's start, as always, with livestock.



Here with the bird - all the wonder and wonder. There, most likely, there was some more political background, such as the task was set to get rid of dependence on the American “Bush legs”. Well, and normal. But our poultry farmers directly bloomed.

And what about the chicken? And that's what.



As they say, comments are superfluous. In the 2012 year, we were twice ahead of the indicators of the RSFSR and almost 5 times (!!!) indicators of the 1999 year! Cheers, comrades, cheers !!! Now, we can say with confidence that the indicators of the RSFSR on the bird breathe to us in the navel, and the performance of 90-x - in the knee. The fall from 1990 to 1999 was 2,5 times.

True, we have forgotten another poultry product - eggs. What do we have there?



There is an obvious orientation of our poultry industry to its meat component, although the number of eggs has been growing steadily for several years now, and it is quite possible that the RSFSR will bypass 2-3 of the year. Growth relative to 1999 was 27%, however, it is now clear that only the “non-meat” part of the poultry industry survived by 1999 (the drop in livestock was 2,5 times, and the drop in the number of eggs was 1,5), and with 1999 we restored the meat poultry industry with almost zero

On this, in principle, and all. For general information, I just have to give figures on secondary industries, such as, for example, honey.



Or reindeer herd.



Conclusions.
1) The main problem of cattle breeding in the Russian Federation is cattle, namely its “meat” part, this is largely due to the fact that 90% of cattle for slaughter are dairy breeds.

2) Currently, cattle livestock production is focused on dairy products, but in recent years the center has begun to mix. The reason for this is the active purchase of pedigree "meat" cattle abroad and, as a result, attempts to increase its population in the territory of the Russian Federation.

3) Losing the number of cattle is a hundred times easier than increasing it, because increasing the number of cattle is a long and complicated process, which is influenced by many factors, and it can take several five-year plans.

4) Dairy production in the Russian Federation shows even small but stable growth in such an indicator as total milk yield and excellent performance dynamics (milk yield per cow).

5) Pig breeding demonstrates stable and dynamic growth in both livestock and meat products.

6) The poultry industry is the main driver of the Russian meat industry, the 1999 indicators of the year (five times) and twice the indicators of the RSFSR.

7) Egg production in the Russian Federation is growing every year, but it is inferior to the rate of "meat" poultry farming, which indicates that the sector is focused on meat production, though not as much as with cattle.


In the last, third part of the article we will talk directly about the situation with food security of the Russian Federation.

PS Since this article is only the second part of three of one big work, I ask you, dear readers, to rate the article, and all yours constructive remarks and constructive critic to place in the comments to the last (third) parts. Thank.
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Food security of the Russian Federation. Successes and failures. Part of 1. Battle of the harvest
Food security of the Russian Federation. Successes and failures. Part of 2. A lot of bread is good, a lot of meat is better
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  1. ole
    ole 14 December 2013 08: 57 New
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    In terms of meat, everything seems to be right.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 14 December 2013 16: 23 New
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      I already wrote a comment in the 1 part of these articles. I will repeat briefly.
      The author is wrong. The comparison criteria for the agricultural sector were chosen by him incorrectly.
      To get an objective picture of changes in the agricultural sector, it is necessary to compare not with 1990 with the already collapsed economy of Gorbachev, but with the prosperous 1985. Those. to compare the collective and state farm management system with the "farmer" one.
      Then we will understand what we had then and what we have now.
      1. sledgehammer102
        14 December 2013 17: 15 New
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        Quote: vladimirZ
        I already wrote a comment in the 1 part of these articles. I will repeat briefly.

        In the same place they told you that 90 was taken as a guideline on how much the industry has dipped in 10 years. And the goal of the article is to show the dynamics over the past 12 years.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 14 December 2013 18: 21 New
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          sledgehammer102
          And the goal of the article is to show the dynamics over the past 12 years.


          Your "dynamics" powders the brains of people without touching upon the essence of the problem of the agricultural sector in Russia, its decline and, in fact, losses for Russia.
          In my opinion, the work (article) should be for posing the problem and finding ways to solve it, which your work does not solve.
          Regards vladimirZ
          1. sledgehammer102
            14 December 2013 18: 34 New
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            Quote: vladimirZ
            Your "dynamics" powders the brains of people without touching upon the essence of the problem of the agricultural sector in Russia, its decline and, in fact, losses for Russia.


            Where does she powder her brain? I lied? Has hidden or hidden something?

            If you are talking about the decline of the entire CX in the Russian Federation, then how bald are we seeing a decrease in imports and an increase in our own production in all sectors, with the exception of beef ??? By the way, I did not hide this problem, and took the time to delve into and understand the main problems and trends.

            Quote: vladimirZ
            In my opinion, the work (article) should be for posing the problem and finding ways to solve it, which your work does not solve.

            Problems are posed, it can be seen in the conclusions, some solutions have been proposed. Reread.

            Vladimir, I perceive criticism quite adequately if it is constructive.
  2. Nayhas
    Nayhas 14 December 2013 09: 46 New
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    The author, raising people's spirits, like "it's not so bad in agriculture" forgets to cite statistics on food imports. If for poultry meat we are still pulling parity, i.e. export of poultry meat less produced by ourselves, then for beef and pork, exports outstrip domestic production. This is where it is worth talking about food security.
    1. sledgehammer102
      14 December 2013 10: 19 New
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      Quote: Nayhas
      The author, raising people's spirits, like "it's not so bad in agriculture" forgets to cite statistics on food imports. If for poultry meat we are still pulling parity, i.e. export of poultry meat less produced by ourselves, then for beef and pork, exports outstrip domestic production. This is where it is worth talking about food security.


      You have not read the article, in part number THREE it is all there
    2. AVV
      AVV 14 December 2013 10: 53 New
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      Slowly, but we are moving in the right direction !!! And this is already pleasing, but when they open the WTO all the way, then everything can collapse, even more, the state needs to turn on the brains !!!
  3. Sirs
    Sirs 14 December 2013 10: 18 New
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    where the guard will not rush everywhere, but in Russia it was always like this (IMHO) nothing - we will feed ourselves and feed the whole world. The main thing is that every family should give a report when they buy meat in a store or in the market - where it comes from, what quality. And ask yourself a question - when you eat cheaper meat, what do you save on? (on health).
    Eat moderately - eat ours.
    We are what we eat !!! (I mean product quality)
  4. Christian
    Christian 14 December 2013 12: 05 New
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    Why does the author compare with the Soviet period — let him compare with the Imperial period — it will be very sad!
    1. sledgehammer102
      14 December 2013 12: 34 New
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      Quote: Christian
      Why does the author compare with the Soviet period — let him compare with the Imperial period — it will be very sad!


      To do this, you posted the data on the collection of cereals in the section ANIMAL Farming?
      Well, okay ... that's not the point ..

      You can see the share of grain in the export of the Russian Empire (57%) .... and now (2%), the picture is shown in the last 3 part, and this with the same volumes of collection and handicap of the Russian Empire in the area of ​​sowing and black soil (Ukraine for example)

      Moreover, now less roads are being built in Russia than under Alexander, though the situation is the same in the United States and throughout the world))
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 14 December 2013 15: 13 New
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        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Livestock?

        Okay. Question. You gave data on milk yield, 2012 4521 kg per cow. But the average daily milk yield in 2012 is 10,39 kg. (Website mcx.ru> moloko /). How many days does a cow have in a year?
        And this year so far they are at the level of 10.6 kg.
        1. sledgehammer102
          14 December 2013 16: 00 New
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          Quote: baltika-18
          Okay. Question. You gave data on milk yield, 2012 4521 kg per cow. But the average daily milk yield in 2012 is 10,39 kg. (Website mcx.ru> moloko /). How many days does a cow have in a year?

          You can ask Rosstat about this. All data is taken from there, and not a gram of liberal selective editing
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 14 December 2013 16: 28 New
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            Quote: sledgehammer102
            You can ask Rosstat about this.

            That’s why I don’t believe Rosstat, just like you. Do you happen to be a member of the Air Defense Party?
            1. sledgehammer102
              14 December 2013 17: 17 New
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              Quote: baltika-18
              That’s why I don’t believe Rosstat, just like you. Do you happen to be a member of the Air Defense Party?

              What is the discrepancy between your data and mine, in specific numbers? 30-40 kg per year? Or less?
              By the way, give a direct link to the article, as if it wouldn’t happen that the data averaged for the period January - September, or preliminary for the year.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 14 December 2013 18: 28 New
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                Quote: sledgehammer102
                What is the discrepancy between your data and mine, in specific numbers? 30-40 kg per year? Or less

                It turns out 3792 kg. This is the data of the Ministry of Agriculture. Table of operational data. There is a link in the commentary, see for yourself. I repeat www.mcx.ru> moloko /
                The difference from your data is almost 800 kg.
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                2. sledgehammer102
                  14 December 2013 18: 56 New
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                  Quote: baltika-18
                  It turns out 3792 kg. This is the data of the Ministry of Agriculture. The table of operational data. There is a link in the comment, see for yourself.


                  I looked and tell you where you were wrong.

                  The table shows the average milk yield per cow for the reporting week, and even the figure for the 2012 year varies depending on the selected date. Hence the difference.

                  Once again, this is not the annual average, but the average for the week.
                  As proof I bring screenshots from your source with different dates
                  for 9.12.2013



                  and for 26.08.2013.



                  By the way, if you and I were arguing in August, it would turn out that Rosstat again lied, only by already reducing real milk yields ....
  5. Slotxnumx
    Slotxnumx 14 December 2013 12: 23 New
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    I don’t know about the miratorg and the Bryansk region by hearsay, I live here ... but the problem is that the residents of the Bryansk region do not see this product, meat ... and how much will cost 1 kg of marble meat! + The whole area is tight wire! and there is livestock here, no one knows the exact number. By the way, there is a series of programs by Vinnie Jones-Really about Russia. One series is dedicated to American cowboys who came to breed cows in the Bryansk region.
    1. sledgehammer102
      14 December 2013 12: 36 New
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      Quote: Slot46
      I don’t know about the miratorg and the Bryansk region by hearsay, I live here ... but the problem is that the residents of the Bryansk region do not see this product, meat.


      And now is not the time, it’s stupid to let the herd under the knife, which was brought in to increase the livestock. One head of such a goby costs 3-3,5 thousands of bucks, like a used car
  6. Slotxnumx
    Slotxnumx 14 December 2013 13: 38 New
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    You very zealously defend your article .... smacks of something like that. You often mention WE can, etc .... let me ask WE is who?
    Exactly, I have little faith that this is marble meat, these gobies, then they will fall on store shelves at an affordable price.
    Although yes, everyone has different concepts of accessibility. It was necessary to "ditch" all rural production, cattle farms ... in order now to breed a new breed with marbled meat, and bring American cowboys with a frenzied salary in order to feed all of us. Applause.
    1. sledgehammer102
      14 December 2013 13: 58 New
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      Quote: Slot46
      You very zealously defend your article .... smacks of something like that. You often mention WE can, etc .... let me ask WE is who?

      Each contributes, both cleaner and engineer.

      Quote: Slot46
      Exactly, I have little faith that this is marble meat, these gobies, then they will fall on store shelves at an affordable price.

      Many did not believe that the Superjet would fly, or flights would be much more affordable.


      Quote: Slot46
      It was necessary to "ditch" all agricultural production, cattle farms ... in order now to breed a new breed with marbled meat

      As can be seen from the graphs, the population decreased by 2-2.5 times in 90, I recall that Yeltsin was chosen for the first term with an overwhelming advantage and without any special falsifications. After 99, this is not observed, rapid growth in poultry, problems with beef in legumes, but this is not a question of one year or even five.
  7. Bober
    Bober 14 December 2013 14: 11 New
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    A cute piglet is running. In Boots. Neat.
  8. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 December 2013 15: 30 New
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    But the questions are still uncomfortable, was it worth it to ruin everything, just now to creep out on par with the late Soviet Union? And where does capitalism have to do with it? It just turns out that capitalism in Russia is contraindicated, and after it every time the state is forced to come and clean up the ruins. I’m already silent about the whining about the "victims" of collectivization, when peasants were relocated in a controlled manner to cities where jobs were created for them, in contrast to the peasants kicked out by progress (ie, by a tractor) in many countries, who eventually formed entire quarters of slums. But what were the sacrifices during the transition to the market?

    And regarding agricultural machinery from the previous article, let's go back to the 30s when collective farms were just forming. Nobody was going to give equipment to either collective farms or individual peasants then, the individual farmer and land had too little for the tractor, and the brave plowmen after the horses in the tractor understood how 50-year-old aunts are now in computers (although they have been sitting behind them for 10 years) . Therefore, the tractors were in the MTS, where their trained people serviced, and as they lived on this, they cherished the equipment. And the collective farm paid for use. As the MTS Khrushchev eliminated, the end came to the iron, factories plowed 3 shifts in order to give out records for the production of equipment, and the collective farmers then ruined it, of course, they came to perestroika with a bunch of tractors with completely inadequate efficiency, and there was already a solution to the problem.
    1. sledgehammer102
      14 December 2013 16: 07 New
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      Quote: EvilLion
      But the questions are still uncomfortable anyway, was it worth it to fall apart, just to crawl out at parity with the late Union?


      The question that torments me every time people on this forum scream at the mouth about how good it was in the Union, but Putin personally has all the trouble ** al. Cooley, then you ruined it, this UNION, if everything was so cool there. And do not talk about the fact that he was destroyed by SOME or a specific person.

      It was destroyed by the people who came out with the slogans "75 years to nowhere", where then there were these people who are now shouting about what they themselves did not oppose, did not go out to the square, did not throw off the people, who without their knowledge signed the Belovezhskaya agreement and etc ??? But now they are all as one ready to make a coup and put everyone on a stake on Red Square, although it seems to me that they will sit out even now, so that after this happens, God forbid, of course, again flood the forums with shouts of how everything was good in the 2000s

      Yeltsin scored an overwhelming majority in the first campaign, they chose him, and now the government is to blame, personally Putin, etc. Although they sawed the tree themselves in the beginning and middle of 90x.
  9. rotfuks
    rotfuks 14 December 2013 23: 34 New
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    It is interesting to know where the author spent “village childhood” if at that time the cows were pregnant for 7 months? While everywhere and everywhere cows are pregnant 275-280 days, that is, exactly 9 months. Or was the author in the village of his grandmother and his knowledge fragmentary? Why then tackle such topics? The problem of agriculture is that they have been ruled by anyone for a long time, earlier secretaries of regional committees and retired military, and now failed cardiologists, taxied. And the discussion about the advantage of the Aberdeen Angus breed recalls the times of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. When by order of Dutch cows were imported into the USSR. I don’t know how much a pedigree cow costs, but if a pedigree dog costs 1000 bucks, then a burenka is no less. Then this tribal burenka languishes for years adapting to the harsh climate, hard water and completely different feeds. Then this milk burenka dies and it’s good if it becomes meat and not carrion. In the eyes of our leaders, this is called tribal work, and a lot of money is spent on it. As hezh, hunting to fill the stall with Aberdeen Angus and feed all the meat. But there are no miracles. In the same Kalmykia, the Red-steppe breed is perfectly bred, and the author’s desire to have Aberdeen Angus everywhere resembles the desire to breed apple trees on Mars.
    1. sledgehammer102
      15 December 2013 11: 09 New
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      Quote: rotfuks
      It is interesting to know where the author spent “village childhood” if at that time the cows were pregnant for 7 months? While everywhere and everywhere cows are pregnant 275-280 days, that is exactly 9 months.


      You can read the literature on this subject.
      Or drive cattle into the wiki and see that the intervals can be from 6-10 months, depending on food and other factors. for the middle band in the Russian Federation 9 months - the norm, for the Kuban less

      And the discussion about the advantage of the Aberdeen Angus breed recalls the times of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee.

      Therefore, this is probably the most popular breed in beef cattle breeding.

      I do not know how much a pedigree cow costs, but if a pedigree dog costs 1000 bucks, then a burenka is no less.

      2,5-3 thousands of Baku people per head

      Then this tribal burenka languishes for years adapting to the harsh climate, hard water and completely different feeds.


      In the modern world, food does not depend on geographical location because cows are not fed with hay

      In the eyes of our leaders this is called tribal work and a lot of money is spent on it


      Therefore, a private company invests millions in breeding cattle

      In the same Kalmykia, the breed Red-Steppe is perfectly bred


      You can re-read the article and follow the links in it, and you will see your Kalmyk breed, which is ideally suited for those places

      and the author’s desire to have Aberdeen Angus everywhere resembles a desire to breed apple trees on Mars.


      I wish the development of all of our country’s CX, but there are no meat breeds of cattle in the Russian Federation, or their livestock is humiliatingly small, and to wait for a natural increase is to spend a lot of time and money. Therefore, a frost-resistant and well-proven Angus breed is purchased ...
      1. rotfuks
        rotfuks 18 December 2013 13: 34 New
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        You can read the literature on this subject.
        Or drive cattle into the wiki and see that the intervals can be from 6-10 months, depending on food and other factors. for the middle band in the Russian Federation 9 months - the norm, for the Kuban less
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        Intervals of pregnancy under the influence of nutrition factors and others change only in fish and reptiles, in higher animals and mammals this does not happen.
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        Therefore, this is probably the most popular breed in beef cattle breeding.

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        The popularity of breeds varies from political addictions and the ability to get a kickback from breed breeders.
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        2,5-3 thousands of Baku people per head
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        3 thousand for cows from the USA are ridiculous prices.
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        In the modern world, food does not depend on geographical location because cows are not fed with hay

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        in the modern world, food is the same only in humans. For everywhere McDonald and semi-finished products. As for cattle. In the USA or Brazil, summer is all year round and there is simply no point in mowing there. What in Russia does a cow accustomed to year-round grass eat? I am silent about the protein component of bovine feed.
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        Therefore, a private company invests millions in breeding cattle

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        all large private companies are subsidized by the state, and if the authorities give money, then money must be invested.
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        I wish all the CX of our country to develop, but there are no meat breeds of cattle in the Russian Federation, or their livestock is humiliatingly small, and to wait for a natural increase is to spend a lot of time and money. Therefore, it is purchased frost-resistant and well-proven Angus breed ... [/ quote]
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        frost-resistant breed of Angus ....? is it from Texas where minus two degrees happens three days a year? Where did those cows get frost resistance?
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  10. pRofF
    pRofF 15 December 2013 14: 45 New
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    Yeah I read and read comments ... It’s always with us — so that a person doesn’t do good — he will always regret later. The man spent time and effort, shoveled the materials, wrote a decent article - really decent - the data were not taken from anywhere, links and graphs are given, conclusions are given. And he was almost ostracized. I will draw the attention of all respected forum visitors to the following points:
    1) The author has already said that he is no stranger to criticism of his work. And it is right. Criticism allows you to identify bottlenecks and take the next steps in the right direction. But: criticism must be constructive. Let me explain - on my own behalf, as I understand constructive criticism: any statement should be based on something - if you issued a thesis - if you please, confirm it with facts; criticism - implies a dialogue with the author, a calm and thorough discussion of the identified roughnesses and problems. However, in the process of reading the article, I very often came across comments in which immediately and without evidence it is said that the author is wrong, the article is a lie, and in general "who is this, give goodbye!", And then some comments smoothly pass into outright rudeness. From here we pass to the moment
    2) The author’s logical conclusions and the data presented to you are consistent. The author honestly said that he used Rosstat data. But then, comrades, your complaints should be with Rosstat, but not with the author! He didn’t forge them or composed them from floundering bay! He took advantage of the information that is in the OPEN and FREE access, all the more official. There are no other sources. Or do you really think that you need to use the data taken from the site of some Fedi Pupkin? And so the situation reminds me of what happens in pairs at the university - when a person from 3 comes to the 20 class, and they yell at them - they say, such and such. But they are not to blame for the fact that everyone else has driven the bolt and is not friends with the head. So is the author - he is not personally responsible for the published data.
    3) Once again - probably for the millionth time - I am convinced that criticizing someone else's is easier than easy. Some comrades immediately. bluntly, they said that the author initially wrote everything wrong. Sure, not a problem! Take it and write it right. Well, since everyone is so literate. I repeat - if you are against what is stated in the article, categorically do not accept the specified data - arm yourself with a keyboard, statistics, mouse - and create your "racially correct article". "To destroy is not to build."

    As for me personally, I put the article + - all its parts. I am not a supporter of thinking that "the boss is gone!", But I am not a supporter of dancing with joy "oh, how good everything is." But in the article, the author made an attempt - albeit at the level of a layman - to present and think about the data he found. For this alone, he deserves respect - for his work.

    In conclusion - comrades, let's respect and not be rude to each other! Yes, positions and opinions can be excellent or even completely opposite. but this does not mean that, as in a joke about chess, you need to take a board and hit its opponent in the head.

    Sincerely, Egor.
  11. rotfuks
    rotfuks 18 December 2013 13: 13 New
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    Making a breakthrough in agriculture through new breeding animals or new crops is a typical amateurish move. And agriculture in post-revolutionary Russia has always been led by people far from agriculture. Or retired military or party apparatchiks. Hence, such projects as the Stalinist plan for landscaping the USSR when they were planning to plant oaks in Siberia, or the Khrushchev plans for counting apple trees on Mars. As for cattle. Dutch cows were never brought to neighboring Mongolia, and we are not very good with veterinary services. But during the Soviet era, thousands of cow herds were driven from Mongolia to the Semipalatinsk meat processing plant in Kazakhstan every summer, and every second can of Soviet Army stew was made from Mongolian meat. Thanks to those Mongolian cows, the graphs of meat consumption in the USSR look great.