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American expert: war with America is almost inevitable (Huangqiu Shibao Newspaper, China)

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American expert: war with America is almost inevitable (Huangqiu Shibao Newspaper, China)John Mirshaymer (Professor, University of Chicago, USA): Can China come to greatness by peaceful means? My conclusion is: no, it cannot. After America turned into a regional hegemon, it began to actively prevent the emergence of strong players in other places. She likewise applied to Germany, the Soviet Union, and Japan. America did not want her to have a strong state from another region near her, this is the essence of the Monroe doctrine. If someone still dared to challenge us, we expelled him, and the attitude towards China would be the same.


China is a brilliant country history. In its transformation into a world hegemon there is an iron logic. And China can put forward its own “Monroe Doctrine”: becoming the most powerful country in the region, China is not interested in allowing America into its “patrimony”.

And really, is the transfer of a strategic focus to Asia - not an attempt to limit China’s growth and prevent it from becoming a regional hegemon? Therefore, the war between China and the United States will be difficult to avoid. The conflict is quite likely - because of Taiwan or the Korean Peninsula. The US hypocrisy is that America declares tolerance towards China, but in reality will not be able to allow its growth and development. Ultimately, the scenario in which China and the United States meet on the battlefield is quite likely.

Yan Xuehtun (Professor of Tsinghua University): As a realist, I largely agree with Mirshaymer. I agree that both China and America want to be No. XXUMX in the world, and I share the view that China should act responsibly and prudently, refrain from loud actions and statements. However, our positions differ on the strategic choice of China and America. It’s not a fact that China will follow the same path as its rival, and besides, America has other options besides containing China. Perhaps the US has even more of these strategy options than China on its path to world leadership.

Xi Jinping noted that diplomatic relations with neighboring countries should create favorable conditions for the revival of the nation. He stands on the position of deepening peaceful cooperation with neighbors, in terms of the economy, he is promoting the ideas of the “Sea Silk Road” and the “economic belt of the new Silk Road”. This approach is different from what it was before; it is something completely new. Previously, our foreign policy has always felt the superiority of the United States. When America had conflicts with our neighbors, we always considered it. Where do we get now friendly neighbors?

China believes that in order to facilitate interaction, we should strive to ensure that partners have common interests, and not mutual trust at all. Therefore, even if something of a conflict of interest does occur, it will be possible to take preventive measures together and prevent the occurrence of a real conflict. Common interests, not mutual trust, are the basis of cooperation.

How can China achieve the friendship of other states? The path to making real friends is mutual assistance. China should pursue a policy that will allow friendly countries to benefit from the relationship, and not just think about how to cash in on a partner. This is the so-called “spreading their good relations to neighboring countries” and “the common fate of all mankind” (slogans that are well-known after the 18th CPC Congress - note of the translator).

China should be a kind of "virtuous ruler." However, following the ideas of the “common fate of all mankind” is the modern version of the “virtuous government”. From the point of view of offensive realism, morality is useless, however moral realism considers morality as one of the constituent elements of the real power of the state, because it is thanks to it that you can deepen relations with allies, abroad to win new friends, and within the country to get the support of the people.

In the 50 and 60 of the last century, China was very weak, but was actively involved in military conflicts. As economic growth progressed, China less and less wanted to resort to help. weapons, and China has become the most peaceful of the major powers of the planet. Thus, China’s propensity for a peaceful elevation was manifested, this is where it began.

However, the pursuit of peaceful exaltation does not mean that China will patiently demolish anything, or is afraid to use weapons. The idea of ​​Xi Jinping about the existence of a "limit" in politics is just about that. The Chinese foreign policy course now has both basic principles, and a lower bound; its own features have been formed. Proceeding from all this, I do not exclude that China may be involved in a war, such a risk exists, but I do not deny that China has a chance to come to greatness by peaceful means.

There will be no open war between China and America, if only because, firstly, nuclear weapons exist. Since atomic bombs have prevented a war between America and the Soviet Union, then, naturally, they will be able to keep America and China from war. Secondly, globalization. The degree of economic interdependence between the countries of the world is now much greater than before the First World War. At the same time, the roles that globalization and economic interdependence play are slightly different. Globalization increases the degree of sensitivity towards mutual dependence, but at the same time it reduces the degree of vulnerability of such relations. As a result, both sides are not only very cautious about the issue of declaring war, but they are not very eager for it.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 13 December 2013 11: 39
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    The conflict of mutual interests between America and China is obvious !!! America is falling economically more and more. At the same time, China is gaining power. But even falling America does not want to give up its palm in economic power, but there is no money, there is only a printing press, for printing empty unsupported candy wrappers !!! And still I want to poke my nose around the world, but the soon end of state hegemony is inevitable, it’s just America’s debt, the country can no longer serve, to write it off you need to declare yourself bankrupt or organize a war for which already and no money! What the United States will choose, see you soon !!!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 December 2013 14: 40
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      No, China will not pull the war with the states, and there is no benefit. Most of China's exports go to the United States, and the Chinese are not fools to bite the hand that feeds. At least for now. The Germans also sang to us in the 41st about the war with England, and they flooded us. And the United States and England helped them in adopting the right vector of attack, and can now try. Direct aggression does not threaten us from Europe, but from the east ... in short, we need to be friends with China, but the defense in the Far East needs to be strengthened at times. hi
      1. S-200
        S-200 13 December 2013 16: 16
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        No, China will not pull the war with the states, and there is no benefit

        however, both the States and NATO and other allies WILL NOT PULL the war against China
        1. Mercenary
          Mercenary 13 December 2013 16: 54
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          and the alliance of China states and NATO against Russia pulled? this option is not considered in the article. The overwhelming economy belongs to China for more than half. all of them are interested in cheap resources in abundance with us. so the question of superiority is not correct
          1. Siberian
            Siberian 13 December 2013 18: 01
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            Said everything is interesting, including the above said comrades. But union of China states and NATO against Russia and vice versa, it can be said if there will be an alliance of Russia with NATO against China, or Russia with China against NATO. Yes, if everyone will use nuclear weapons. Sorry, sorry, our land will turn into a SIMILARITY OF THE PLANET MARS. Therefore, no war is beneficial to anyone on such a scale. Only if somewhere in the Middle East to arrange sketches for which oil is available.
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 13 December 2013 19: 12
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              Quote: Siberian
              if there will be an alliance of Russia with NATO

              this is the worst option, because we don’t even need cannon fodder. But that would be the Atlantists' golden dream. this is precisely the shortest way of the collapse of Russian civilization!
              1. Siberian
                Siberian 13 December 2013 21: 27
                +5
                RUS2012

                The way it is. First, like friends, allies. Then, (setup), cannon fodder, and then we are the most notorious enemies of all nations. And THEY ARE DEFENDERS OF ALL and the whole of democracy.
          2. Alexei
            Alexei 13 December 2013 18: 09
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            Quote: Mercenary
            and the alliance of China states and NATO against Russia pulled? this option is not considered in the article. The overwhelming economy belongs to China for more than half. all of them are interested in cheap resources in abundance with us. so the question of superiority is not correct

            Exactly! Well, why should they butt over the ocean, and most importantly why, why share it? After all, it is much easier to cut Russia. Just do not say that the Chinese have enough territory and resources. Yes, they will soon be pooping on each other’s heads, but they allowed to give birth to a second child. In addition, it became clear even to the states that Russia itself (as previously planned) would not be sawn and would not be shaken. But still, they are afraid, fearing a bestowal, and bestowal tortures anyone you want, Russian missiles - you don’t have time to be scared.
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 13 December 2013 19: 16
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              Quote: Alexej
              Yes, they will soon shit on each other’s head

              For information, the territory of China is only relocated in places (Beijing, Shaykhai, Chunchin ...), and in some places - the population density is less than in Russia ...
              And if we do not survive in Siberia and Yakutia, what kind of tries are the Chinese there?
              1. old rocket man
                old rocket man 13 December 2013 22: 27
                +1
                Quote: Rus2012
                For information, the territory of China is only relocated in places (Beijing, Shaykhai, Chunchin ...), and in some places - the population density is less than in Russia ...

                It has been taken into consideration for a long time. All these "sparsely populated territories" (Tibet, Gobi,), to put it mildly, are not suitable for living, the conditions there are many times worse than we have in the Arctic Circle hi
              2. Muadipus
                Muadipus 14 December 2013 00: 18
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                With such corruption as ours, it’s easier to buy Russia than to conquer
              3. vjatsergey
                vjatsergey 14 December 2013 02: 19
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                "And if in Siberia and Yakutia, we do not survive, - what kind of Chinese are there?" And YOU come to us (Magadan region) and you will see already a lot of Chinese here.
              4. Alexei
                Alexei 14 December 2013 17: 47
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                Quote: Rus2012
                For information, the territory of China in places only relocated

                Nah, are you telling me this? Say this to the Chinese in the Far East, otherwise they probably don’t know that the territories suitable for living are inundated with them.
                1. clidon
                  clidon 14 December 2013 17: 59
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                  The Chinese are generally aware of this. They earn money in the Far East, not land. Actually for the same reason, Moldovans and Tajiks are going to Moscow. Not because they have nowhere to live. )
            2. CALL.
              CALL. 14 December 2013 02: 30
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              Most Americans are afraid of China's gain. And China with our resources and China without them are two big differences. Although China is already embracing the Far East, the so-called creeping expansion. The Chinese themselves behave very correctly, unlike the dzhigits from Central Asia, who work as our salesmen in the markets and bus drivers. I mean the big cities of the Far East.
              1. max702
                max702 14 December 2013 15: 24
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                But then we understand this all temporarily and the correctness of behavior and so on ... 5-10 years will pass and then ..
          3. yur
            yur 13 December 2013 20: 06
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            Sorry, but this is nonsense! This would mean that NATO and the United States with their own hands would strengthen China tenfold. So what about the ad: "It's fantastic, son."
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 December 2013 18: 23
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          Quote: S-200
          however, both the States and NATO and other allies WILL NOT PULL the war against China

          That is the point. They’ll try to pit us, and China can succeed. hi
        3. Rus2012
          Rus2012 13 December 2013 19: 05
          +2
          Quote: S-200
          States with NATO and other allies WILL NOT LENGTH war against China

          and this is true ... especially if China and Russia are together ...
        4. Reyngard
          Reyngard 13 December 2013 19: 41
          -4
          Most likely pulled.
        5. APASUS
          APASUS 13 December 2013 22: 55
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          Quote: S-200
          however, both the States and NATO and other allies WILL NOT PULL the war against China

          As soon as tempting offers for Russia await the war!
          Without us, China and mattresses are nowhere for them!
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 13 December 2013 16: 24
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        No, China will not pull the war with the states, and there is no benefit

        So it could have already begun three times: in 1995 – 1996, when the United States responded to the missile tests of the PRC, which were to warn Taiwanese voters from further striving for independence. In 1999, when US military aircraft mistakenly hit the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. And in 2001, when a Chinese pilot died as a result of a collision between an American spy plane and a Chinese air force fighter, and Beijing detained American pilots. And everything shows that in China while they were on friendly terms with their heads, knowing the superiority of the United States, they were chopping wood on their own. But judging by the latest ambitions for the disputed areas in the East China and South China Seas, this friendship will be short-lived. The situation in this region is outlined by a thin red line that cannot be crossed by any of the sides claiming "fundamental interests", (?) Well, a very interesting formulation of both the Chinese and the United States), very much encourages the fact that John Mearsheimer's forecast is quite realistic.
        1. makarov
          makarov 13 December 2013 16: 51
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          SW Victor. Undoubtedly, in your words there is a grain of truth, but you can’t ignore the cunning of both sides, and it is possible that the fighting will occur like the Korean war. It is even quite possible what exactly in Korea. China will take the side of the North, and the South Americans .. and they will sausage each other, and the Russian Federation at this time will easily master the Arctic ..
          1. bilgesez
            bilgesez 13 December 2013 17: 36
            +5
            Your words to God in the ears.
          2. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 13 December 2013 19: 24
            +2
            The new Korean war is beneficial to the United States and China. And even Japan. Samsung will be removed from the market.
          3. CALL.
            CALL. 14 December 2013 02: 37
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            Too good for this to happen. (Not) Our power will surely drag us into some sort of ...
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 13 December 2013 19: 20
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          Quote: Tersky
          when US military aircraft mistakenly attacked the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

          ... rather, it wasn’t a mistake ...
        3. Basarev
          Basarev 14 December 2013 13: 19
          -1
          Excellent! China and the USA will grind each other and it will be possible to forget about them forever! We are on the threshold of a new world where Russia will become the world hegemon!
      3. Sterlya
        Sterlya 13 December 2013 16: 33
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        No, China will not pull the war with the states, and there is no benefit. Most of China's exports go to the United States, and the Chinese are not fools to bite the hand that feeds. At least for now. The Germans also sang to us in the 41st about the war with England, and they flooded us. And the United States and England helped them in adopting the right vector of attack, and can now try. Direct aggression does not threaten us from Europe, but from the east ... in short, we need to be friends with China, but the defense in the Far East needs to be strengthened at times. hi

        China war will not pull.
        And the Americans are more likely to fall under the Eurogeans than to fight with China. that's the problem laughing
        Can anyone really imagine that the Americans will be drawn into a war with China ?! China is not Grenada
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 13 December 2013 18: 31
          +1
          I do not agree with you. It is the Eurogays who have long been under the Pants.
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 13 December 2013 19: 22
          +1
          Quote: Sterlya
          Can anyone really imagine that the Americans will be drawn into a war with China ?!

          as the puppeteers decide above, it will be so, kmk ...
      4. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 13 December 2013 16: 42
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        No, China will not pull the war with the states


        I would even say more, China, because of its geographical location and the characteristics of its population, will not drag out a war with any of the powers that have real means of nuclear weapons delivery.
        Now the infantry in small groups of two million each do not steer.
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      6. pahom54
        pahom54 13 December 2013 18: 16
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        for Ingvar 72
        Totally agree with you. China is not in control of the war with the United States for many reasons, but the Russian Far East is a tasty morsel for China. Moreover, in this case, everything coincides with China's foreign policy - "the search for partners in common interests" ... A tandem (given the current state of affairs with the collapse of the US economy) with the division of spheres of influence is quite possible. And in this case, they will try to write off Russia from among the world players and leaders, and maybe as a state (at least this goal can be envisaged by them) ...
        Russia is now not so afraid of the United States, NATO and the European Union with their problems, like a fast and wildly growing China ...
        1. hrych
          hrych 13 December 2013 19: 23
          +6
          Be it the Russian Far East, such as a separate defenseless country, this colleague, fortunately or unfortunately some, is part of the Russian Federation and is also protected by a nuclear umbrella, like Moscow, Kaliningrad and Yöburg. Who will climb to seize someone else’s territory when native Beijing breaks out?
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 13 December 2013 19: 54
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            Quote: hrych
            Who will climb to seize someone else’s territory when native Beijing breaks out?
            The States, at one time, did not dare to bomb the USSR, having a monopoly on atomic weapons, not to a small extent because our army could quickly occupy the whole of Europe, reaching the English Channel. With the current state of affairs, China can squeeze the Far East without a war, populating it with its legal and not very legal migrants. With the help of the army, they will reach the Urals. As for Beijing, well, they will move their capital to Khabarovsk, like the Kazakhs from Alma-Ata to Astana, business ... China will be able to fight America only after defeating Russia, if it becomes a real superpower with vast territory and resources. Now it seems like black fantasy, but the Third Reich also started small, first with the connivance of England and the United States, and then with the pre-war "friendship" with us. We are between a rock and a hard place, neither the United States nor China needs a strong Russia. The United States will hope to finish off the "winner", and China has no alternative to northward expansion, the whole question is when it will be strong enough and ready for this throw. Without strengthening our Far Eastern borders, we may have grim prospects, we must hurry, all of China's military power is not being pumped up for a war with America, this military power is at our doorstep.
            1. hrych
              hrych 13 December 2013 20: 35
              +5
              As colleagues from the Far East have already written, there are fewer Chinese than Tajiks and co. Here a colleague needs to understand one thing, in order to capture something you need to know
              what to capture, most of these lands (right up to the Urals) are deserts without cities and arable land, there are resources, but they have not been fully utilized, and they still need to be set up and plants set up, a prospect for decades, and you’ll want to bite right away, and you, Beijing, already donated. And if our hydrocarbons occur in the Urals, then only in the Subpolar. There is a halo of habitat for the Chinese, and for them Russia is in the far north, where rice is not born, and they themselves are full of such undeveloped lands, including Shinjian and inner Mongolia, where the climate is much more favorable, but alas, the Chinese did not scatter there. The Third Reich did not find nuclear weapons, unlike Imperial Japan, and the world changed beyond recognition, in particular, the larger the army, the more fried meat, where again there is a hint of guys with a yellowish tint. Don’t worry about our threshold, the missile flies in a matter of minutes, and the Far East fleet is not the most frail fleet with the ability to erase the continents is not the same as lowering the cascades of dams in the valley of the Yandza and Huanghe rivers, where the heart of Maoist un-civilization.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 13 December 2013 21: 45
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                Quote: hrych
                As colleagues from the Far East have already written, there are fewer Chinese than Tajiks and co.
                As they say in Odessa, it’s not yet evening, here we are talking about the future, and your colleagues from the Far East are too optimistic. Arms development does not stand still, this applies to nuclear weapons, the same States, with our generosity in establishing and extending a unilateral moratorium for many years, did not stand still, like the Chinese. To all, China has medium-range missiles, not just ICBMs, is actively climbing into space. What terrible climate are you talking about if in Vladik there are actually subtropics, and even along the Amur is not an icy desert. Finally, and to the icy desert, to the Arctic, many have an interest in talking about Siberia and the Far East itself. What armaments will be and the situation as a whole over the years through 20-30 can only be guessed at, but, clearly, this will not be what the time of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 13 December 2013 22: 22
                  +3
                  Yes, at least, what the Chinese have, as well as the staff, as long as we have something with which we will eliminate them, no one will turn up. The seizure of enemy territory is necessary for enrichment, seizure of resources, and not for suicide and even greater poverty and hunger. Nuclear weapons still have the property of making the territory unusable for many years by contaminating with radiation, because staff members are working on the development of non-nuclear weapons, with the prospect of being able to use the captured territory, they are colonialists, though not very successful. Otherwise, what is the general meaning of aggression?
                2. hrych
                  hrych 13 December 2013 22: 42
                  +4
                  If you open Wikipedia about the Amur Region, then we have the following:
                  In the Amur Region, Zeysky, Selemdzhinsky and Tyndinsky districts, as well as the cities of Zeya and Tynda, are equated to the regions of the Far North.
                  In the north of the region, the average January temperature drops to −40 ° C. In intermontane depressions up to −50 ° С. Sub temperatures rise. Isotherms from −28 ° C to −24 ° C pass in the south. Winter in the region is harsh. At the latitude of Blagoveshchensk is the city of Voronezh, where the average January temperature is −9 ° C, and in Blagoveshchensk January temperatures range from −24 ° C to −27 ° C. There are frosts up to −44 ° С. L

                  Although Vladivostok is further south, it is far from Tashket:

                  The average annual temperature in the city is +4,9 ° C. The warmest month is August, with a temperature of +20,8 ° C, the coldest - January is −11,3 ° C. The absolute maximum temperature +33,6 ° C was recorded on July 16, 1939 and July 17, 1958, the minimum −31,4 ° C was recorded on January 10, 1931.
              2. Basarev
                Basarev 14 December 2013 13: 24
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                That's right - we should not be afraid of the Chinese. However, power should be increased
            2. CALL.
              CALL. 14 December 2013 02: 45
              +1
              China is already pushing the Far East. Logging, semi-underground sewing production, Chinese taunas, already the reality of large cities of the Far East.
            3. Basarev
              Basarev 14 December 2013 13: 23
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              Governor of China! We must not calmly wait for China to strengthen! Only the preventive nuclear Armageddon will stop the Chinese expansion!
        2. Stanislas
          Stanislas 13 December 2013 21: 41
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          Quote: pahom54
          search for partners in joint interests

          I also thought that they have the same common interest: the resources of Siberia and the Far East (well, not Chinese toys to move in Penduras)
        3. Basarev
          Basarev 14 December 2013 13: 20
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          Still, in vain we then confined ourselves only to battles in Damansky ...
      7. VADEL
        VADEL 13 December 2013 18: 50
        +2
        I apologize. It’s like in a sovanecdote (with a little change): The meeting of B. Oboma and V. Putin:
        BO: "I am very concerned about the situation in Honduras!"
        VVP: "Would YOU touch less with your hands."

        Russia should not be angry at all. Will regret.
        1. Reyngard
          Reyngard 13 December 2013 19: 47
          -3
          Don’t exaggerate the power of Russia. Without nuclear weapons, it’s hardly worth counting on anything ...
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 14 December 2013 02: 50
          0
          Yes, Serdyukov with his women's battalion of "death" tried.
      8. Arti
        Arti 13 December 2013 19: 49
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        defense in the Far East needs to be strengthened at times


        I would put it a little more politically correctly - "The defense needs to be increased several times" - the east has nothing to do with it, just if we are strong, then NOBODY will want to fight with us. And the superiority of defense "in the Far East" - will show the whole world our weakness (fear of China) and possibly make it clear that Russia is up to something and can provoke a response.

        In the war between Russia and China, only the United States can win.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 13 December 2013 21: 55
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          Quote: Arti
          And the superiority of defense "in the Far East" - will show the whole world our weakness (fear of China) and possibly make it clear that Russia is up to something and may provoke a response.

          We will say to the Chinese that it is against the elect, and vice versa, but it would not hurt to have the most powerful squadron in the world there: after all, the Pacific Ocean ... and the partners would be more modest in their interests.
      9. yurii p
        yurii p 13 December 2013 19: 54
        +1
        "No, China will not pull a war with the states, and there is no benefit." ... why? As you should know, China is the largest creditor to the United States, and do not forget that many US monopolies have moved their production to China (Detroit to example) and the fact that China is the largest exporter suggests that in connection with the war, the United States is automatically deprived of these supplies and I am afraid that not everything is so obvious, the United States is only a semblance of well-being, but I do not think that China will enter into open confrontation, for this they smarter, they will starve out the United States, and if Russia joins China, which is quite possible, because they are already in the BRICS, but most likely the war will be economic, it will not even be going on, and this is clearly seen from Ukraine, if NATO loses in Ukraine, it will be the beginning of the end of NATO.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 14 December 2013 13: 28
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          So we will help to break up NATO as soon as possible! Everything to Ukraine! We will assemble the largest rally against the rabid Bandera and the possessed Swolty!
      10. yurii p
        yurii p 13 December 2013 20: 15
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        "And the United States and Britain helped them in adopting the correct vector of attack" ... not a correct comparison, then the United States did not take part directly, i.e. it did not incur financial losses, and I want to say that the United States came out of the "Great Depression" due to this war since the USSR began purchasing weapons from the United States, under the "Lend-Lease", which raised the US economy, and in the event of a war with China, it is necessary to bear very real costs, and who will pay these costs? China, they already finance the activities of the United States if they are a lump sum throw US debt into the financial market, what will happen?
      11. Gennady1973
        Gennady1973 14 December 2013 02: 19
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        Ingvar 72 agrees that it will not pull ... not a single country will pull even we ... no matter how regrettable ... but! Just excuse me have already got these stars and stripes half of the countries with their "democracy." Were rich in two world wars supplying weapons with minimal losses and costs. And now they extol themselves and teach them how to live ... PERSONALLY, I would very much like them not to exist ...
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    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 December 2013 16: 03
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      Quote: ...
      With economic growth, China was less and less willing to resort to arms, and China became the most peaceful of the major powers of the planet.


      In my opinion, the most peaceful power is us. Even the Georgians (forgive me the best representatives of this nation presented on the site) had the audacity to attack our peacekeepers.
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    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 December 2013 16: 06
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      Quote: AVV
      ! America economically falls more and more. And China at the same time is gaining power.


      Learn to respect the enemy, only then can he be defeated.

      Despite all the hype, the American economy is the most powerful economy in the world.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 14 December 2013 03: 05
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        But you can not overestimate. Myths about a strong American economy and army are here. http://www.fosbor.ru/e/3073463-bestsennyiy-dollar and here http://poxe.ru/video/1166356991-gud-bay-amerika-mify-o-moschi-mify-o-velichii-. h
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    6. andrey777
      andrey777 13 December 2013 17: 10
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      Quote: AVV
      The conflict of mutual interests between America and China is obvious !!! America is falling economically more and more. At the same time, China is gaining power. But even falling America does not want to give up its palm in economic power, but there is no money, there is only a printing press, for printing empty unsupported candy wrappers !!! And still I want to poke my nose around the world, but the soon end of state hegemony is inevitable, it’s just America’s debt, the country can no longer serve, to write it off you need to declare yourself bankrupt or organize a war for which already and no money! What the United States will choose, see you soon !!!

      The idea of ​​a fix for America is to pit Russia and China. In this case, the United States will have money and power. Our task, together with China, is to prevent this scenario.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 13 December 2013 19: 27
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        Quote: andrey777
        Our task, together with China, is to prevent such a scenario.

        Our task is to prevent general military operations on our mainland and, if possible, to move all these conflicts into the territory of the instigator, by the way, this is starting to happen. hi
    7. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 13 December 2013 20: 52
      0
      Quote: AVV
      America’s debt, the country can no longer service, to write off it you need to declare yourself bankrupt or organize a war game for which there is already no money! What the United States will choose, we will see soon !!!
      Yes, in my opinion, it’s their duty to the states, they will forgive all who owe everything. And who will do something to them? Maybe someone will go to war with them? And someone to appeal to the international tribunal to demand debts? Everything and everything will just wipe off. Well, the fact that the global financial system will collapse is something everyone has known and prepared for a long time, but not everyone knows when. Only those who know the true scenario of the collapse and the exact date will win, but these times ... and everything miscalculated bully
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 December 2013 16: 00
    +4
    War will be, a matter of time and opportunity. And, as has already been correctly pointed out, our interests in relation to the most varied variants of the upcoming mess.
  3. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 13 December 2013 16: 05
    +5
    Quote: China should pursue a policy that will allow friendly countries to benefit from relations, and not think only about how to cash in on a partner.
    Xi Jinping
    The thoughts of the Chinese philosopher are fair: no need to cash in on a neighbor. But practically, China is in full profit from its neighbors, ekthey have a lot of money on the development of new technology, robbing, first of all, Russia. So that vigilance towards China should always be maximized.
    Talk about the warriors between China and the United States from the realm of fantasy. America will kill China with "human rights."
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 December 2013 16: 10
      +9
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The thoughts of the Chinese philosopher are fair: no need to profit from a neighbor. But practically China is making a big fortune on its neighbors,


      All right, but with a reservation. China profits only from those whom it does not consider an ally - a neighbor.
      Once in the world there was a force that no one could defeat the Union of the USSR and China - Having destroyed this union, Khrushchev betrayed the state interests of his country.
      1. A.YARY
        A.YARY 13 December 2013 19: 08
        +5
        Vadim good evening
        Khrushchev betrayed the state interests of his country.

        She was not his country. Place of residence, and only. Remember the Crimea.
        Well, in other matters, you are undoubtedly right.
        Stalin paid great attention to relations with Mao.
        He didn’t have such a long conversation between them with anyone. And they sang in China about friendship forever, between Russian and Chinese.
        My grandmother told me that all of their Politburo was perfectly explained in Russian (Mao ordered "Learn and learn Russian, like the language of our older brothers!").
        And how they left the USSR in powerless anger after a demonstrative absorption by Khrushchev Mao.
      2. VADEL
        VADEL 13 December 2013 19: 35
        0
        During the union under Khrushchev, the Chinese cried over the Grad.
        1. yur
          yur 13 December 2013 20: 22
          +1
          No, in 1969 Khrushchev sowed corn in his personal summer cottage for about 5 years.
          1. VADEL
            VADEL 13 December 2013 21: 33
            0
            So what? They threw corn?
  4. Anatolich
    Anatolich 13 December 2013 16: 15
    +2
    Who will produce electronics if China starts to fight? How would everyone get used to "Made in Hina" crying The whole world will be bent.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 13 December 2013 19: 31
      +1
      Quote: Anatolich
      Who will produce electronics if China begins to fight?

      A holy place is never empty!!! This market segment will always be in great demand and therefore everyone will climb there ..... by the way, we have good chances.
  5. RUSS
    RUSS 13 December 2013 16: 30
    0
    Quote: Anatolich
    Who will produce electronics if China starts to fight? How would everyone get used to "Made in Hina" crying The whole world will be bent.

    Correctly in English "Made in China", for example Chinatown, a Chinese town.
  6. Arh
    Arh 13 December 2013 16: 34
    0
    there will be no war as such! Not profitable))))
    1. Niko-zhukov
      Niko-zhukov 13 December 2013 16: 46
      +6
      Right Just first, China will buy Alaska, then Hawaii, then the rest ....
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 16: 35
    +3
    Quote: Vadivak
    Once in the world there was a force that no one could defeat the Union of the USSR and China - Having destroyed this union, Khrushchev betrayed the state interests of his country.

    Yes ... if the USSR would have united the United States with the Chinese at that time on the map, there would certainly not have been such an opportunity now. With our technologies and natural resources and Chinese hard work (the main thing is not to let them into your territory especially ..) This is of course a dream ..China is a friendly country for us, and then it will be seen
  8. askort154
    askort154 13 December 2013 16: 37
    +9
    There were different political systems in the USSR and the USA. While the USSR was weak, the Americans practically did not pay attention to it. As soon as the USSR began to gain strength, it came out on the 2nd place in the world, the USA
    dramatically changed their strategy, began to create coalitions of countries against the USSR. With China, it turned out differently.
    China, as an octopus, has encircled the US economy and is holding a stranglehold, sharply pumping up its muscles.
    The West, still led by the United States, is forced to not notice the difference in political systems, as it did with the USSR, but are hysterical towards Russia, deliberately not noticing the change in its political system. The United States will never fight with China, but will do everything to blow it up from the inside, or play with anyone, most likely with Russia.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 13 December 2013 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      askort154

      There is logic in this! It is annoying that the lion's share of Amer’s plans comes true.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 13 December 2013 19: 40
        +3
        Quote: Nymp
        The share of Amer’s plans comes true.

        Printing press ...... the main problem of the whole world !!!
  9. garlik
    garlik 13 December 2013 16: 37
    +7
    A direct conflict is unlikely, but in the wrong hands. But in 1950 Korea, the mass of Chinese volunteers supported by our aviation drove the Americans to the southern part of Korea
  10. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 13 December 2013 16: 53
    +4
    If you sit for a long time on the bank of the river and watch its course, then sooner or later you can see how the corpse of your enemy swims past.
    1. Corporal
      Corporal 13 December 2013 17: 53
      +3
      The Volga is noisy in waves;
      A rare bird will fly to its shores
      And on all banks it’s black from those who
      Waits for the current to pass by
      The bodies of their enemies.
  11. bubla5
    bubla5 13 December 2013 17: 11
    0
    As always wisely, we will come to greatness with either a carrot or a stick
  12. andrei332809
    andrei332809 13 December 2013 17: 24
    +2
    I do not think that China will fight the Yankees (apparently, just delirium of the author). but the fact that in America there are very many citizens of Chinese production ... if they do have a civil one (well, they should someday be covered with what they are strenuously "giving" to others), then China will find someone to support in this mess
  13. polkownik1
    polkownik1 13 December 2013 17: 35
    +3
    Why should China and America fight each other? For each of them there is a great opportunity to draw heat with the wrong hands. We, Russia, should be wary of America’s desire to push us with China and China’s desire to push us with America. Today, these aspirations are hidden from view, but they will inevitably intensify.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 14 December 2013 03: 10
      0
      First of all, in Russia we need to restore order in our own home.
  14. 31231
    31231 13 December 2013 17: 50
    +1
    American expert on "tu bi o music tu bi". Another chatter in the kitchen.
  15. individual
    individual 13 December 2013 18: 06
    +6
    The author did not take into account one more factor:
    Already, there are about 20 million "excess" men in China. The number of men is growing exponentially. The country is experiencing an unprecedented gender imbalance in its history that has developed over the past three decades. Science is well aware of what such an imbalance is fraught with for society; the consequences can range from an increase in the level of crime to the emergence of extremist movements. Even putting aside the worst fears, the prospects for maintaining or increasing the imbalance are far from comforting the Chinese authorities.
    Extra need to take something. There is no other way out, how to use these extra potential warriors in local wars in China, especially since China has territorial claims with all its neighbors.
    The United States, accordingly, this will not leave its attention ...
  16. GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 13 December 2013 18: 33
    +2
    Lately, so many experts have divorced ... hmm, can I even go to the experts myself?
  17. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 13 December 2013 18: 35
    +3
    The author powders our brains. Naglo-Saxons grow China just as Hitler was fed to set us up.
  18. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 December 2013 18: 46
    +4
    When I read at the expense of China and the USA, it’s ridiculous how the USA takes us off our accounts, like you don’t even speak about us, Russians. laughing
  19. realist
    realist 13 December 2013 18: 49
    0
    why bother him? if the policy towards their own people does not change - China will simply come to deserted Siberia, for whom are all these olympiads, championships, if the people are poor and reduced?
  20. VADEL
    VADEL 13 December 2013 19: 07
    0
    Quote: Vadivak
    In my opinion, the most peaceful power is us. Even among Georgians (forgive me the best representatives of this nation

    KIKABIDZE.
    good
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 13 December 2013 22: 15
      0
      the best representatives of this nation
      Soso Dzhugashvili
  21. Strashila
    Strashila 13 December 2013 19: 19
    +1
    The term "war" ... the United States does not make sense to wage war in the direct sense of this word ... yes, China is a strong industrial power ... a global assembly plant, but the weakness is precisely that it is just an assembly plant, all ideas come from overseas , stop the United States and the EU from stirring orders ... all the bubble burst, how to occupy millions of workers who are accustomed to living well by the standards of the country ... back to the village ... will not give a ride ... goes, the crisis forces the governments of the countries to initiate the return of production to their countries.
    Producing under license and under the supervision of a developer is one thing, and making a replica of incomprehensible quality is another.
    The only thing that China can do is in the year 2015, under the banner of the fight against terrorism of radical Islam and drug trafficking, to begin military operations in Afghanistan. There, over the next decade, he will get an occupation ... he will quietly populate it, under the auspices of assistance to the population, which neither England, nor the USSR, nor the USA could afford, will begin to develop mineral resources still explored by the USSR. It will get direct access to Turkmenistan and Iran, t .e. hydrocarbons.
    It’s running around the army and weapons in real combat conditions, fighting the Taliban with a hundred thousandth contingent is one thing, but it will be a completely different matter with the half-million army of China, but they can put a million under arms ... young people should do something .. in the name of an idea.
    1. GurzaTLT
      GurzaTLT 13 December 2013 19: 58
      0
      Quote: Strashila
      but the weakness is that it’s just an assembly plant, all ideas come from overseas, stop the USA, and the EU to place orders ... the whole bubble burst


      What ideas, new iPhones? the Chinese themselves are developing well
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 13 December 2013 21: 20
        0
        in what area ... yes, the Chinese have access to Russian and Western technologies ... to have access does not mean to own the technologies to the end ... but they quickly learn, they should be given credit for this.
    2. CALL.
      CALL. 14 December 2013 03: 22
      0
      China is developing very dynamically. For work, I sometimes go there. Very large funds are invested in education, science, healthcare, and sports. I see how people are drawn to knowledge. Among the winners of mathematical olympiads there are also Chinese children. Of course, China is only at the beginning of the path, but the vector has been chosen correctly.
  22. Stinger
    Stinger 13 December 2013 19: 25
    +1
    What kind of war? Do they need it? First Chinatowns, then Chinese cities, then Chinese states, etc.
  23. kare
    kare 13 December 2013 19: 26
    0
    Quote: pahom54
    for Ingvar 72
    Totally agree with you. China is not in control of the war with the United States for many reasons, but the Russian Far East is a tasty morsel for China. Moreover, in this case, everything coincides with China's foreign policy - "the search for partners in common interests" ... A tandem (given the current state of affairs with the collapse of the US economy) with the division of spheres of influence is quite possible. And in this case, they will try to write off Russia from among the world players and leaders, and maybe as a state (at least this goal can be envisaged by them) ...
    Russia is now not so afraid of the United States, NATO and the European Union with their problems, like a fast and wildly growing China ...

    I would now be very pleased to hear the president’s message not only to officials of the Russian government, but also to all talerasts who want to enjoy from our territory that any territorial claims and actions related to them will be immediately punished by a nuclear strike. to bring to the narrow-eyed population of China. They say missiles will be sent to them by no means funshuyevye
    1. Reyngard
      Reyngard 13 December 2013 19: 52
      +2
      So, after all, they also have rockets, and not straw ...
      1. kare
        kare 13 December 2013 22: 12
        0
        after a preemptive strike, it will no longer have any significance. And the prospect of pushing the buttocks in front of the celestial is even worse
  24. Megre
    Megre 13 December 2013 19: 44
    +1
    WE ARE STRIKED BY CHINA. The dumb "galley slave" understands this, but he doesn't care. Loot, loot and loot again. And we have millions of Chinese. The military experts of the Soviet Union understood that the five millionth army of China could not be stopped with small arms. You can win a week or two. Then a nuclear strike .......
    Then there were tens of thousands of tanks, thousands of aircraft, and most importantly, the strongest army in the world. Army of the Soviet Union. Where I served and millions of us. Now in case of war, just a nightmare. If it were my will, I would send Putin and all his gang to the Far Border outpost on the border with China. In our time, the Chinayozes cut out whole border guards. Hit ramrod in the ear. Slaughtered sleeping. And if some stupid person tells me that the Chinas have changed, then let them go to serve at the frontier post on the border with China. And a ramrod in his ear. Glory to the soldiers of the Far East! We lost this war not through our fault, but because of traitors in the Kremlin.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 13 December 2013 23: 47
      0
      Quote: Megrae
      Slaughtered sleeping.


      Quote: Megrae
      We lost this war not through our fault, but because of traitors in the Kremlin.


      The key word is "sleeping".
      Firstly, do not sleep at the post.
      Secondly, what kind of war did you lose? We didn’t lose anything, if that were the case, all of Primorye and Amur would be Chinese.
      And do not panic, while this is far away, but this does not mean that you can not do a damn drinks
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 13 December 2013 23: 51
        0
        Yes you are my friend incorrigible optimist fool
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 14 December 2013 12: 19
          0
          Quote: Forestman
          Yes you are my friend incorrigible optimist

          my friend? laughing
          Not the ability of a high alert unit to withstand sabotage groups does not indicate enemy strength, but the slackness of personnel am
          1. Lesnik
            Lesnik 14 December 2013 14: 23
            0
            Funny YOU. For you, perhaps the armed confrontation between states is reduced to the work of sabotage groups? What world do you live in - the world of a "stalker"?
  25. GurzaTLT
    GurzaTLT 13 December 2013 19: 46
    +3
    What kind of war with NATO or the USA ?!
    the Chinese have a different psychology
    The eastern parable tells of a monkey who sat for a long time on a tree and watched two tigers fighting for prey. She knew how to wait. When the tigers weakened, she climbed down from the tree and finished them off in order to seize the prey herself.

    Yes, and wars are over resources, territory ...
    What can NATO conquer in China, or the United States in China?
    and what can everyone win in the Russian Federation?
    still very simple
  26. hrych
    hrych 13 December 2013 20: 00
    +4
    China is a country with a brilliant history. In its transformation into a world hegemon there is an iron logic. And the PRC can put forward its own “Monroe Doctrine”: having become the most powerful country in the region, China is not interested in allowing America to enter its “patrimony”.

    A brilliant history of the conquerors of China, right up to Pu-Yi, the last of the Manjur occupiers. Well, and not to let in your "vodchina", just a strange and unreasonable term. The PRC had one friend, Polpot, in that region, and the Vietnamese kicked it. Only the DPRK can be recorded as China's good neighbor, and even then with a great stretch. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines are the true "fiefdom" of the United States, monarchies like Malaysia, Thailand and other Brunei clearly do not feel reverence for the Maoists and love their mother - the English queen. Oddly enough, but even in the Asia-Pacific region, China is a despicable outcast, and they rub against us about some kind of world hegemony, the main and all-crushing power of China lies in the cheapest labor, and it has succeeded and is the leader in servicing the "golden billion. " and not only. And in order to strangle this superhegemon, one does not need millions of armies and nuclear strikes, but it is enough to block trade in the Singapore region and he will digest himself from hunger.
    1. clidon
      clidon 13 December 2013 20: 17
      +1
      I agree in many respects, although China has been spending the last time quite actively leading the creation of a new political image. Unless I’ll supplement it here
      And in order to strangle this superhegemon, you do not need millions of armies and nuclear strikes, you just have to block trade in the Singapore area and he will digest himself from hunger.

      Recently, Beijing has taken orientation to the domestic market (which, for example, is clearly visible in the car market) in order to avoid external dependence. Time will pass and from a working back room, it may well turn into a world superpower, not only in form and self-PR, but also in content.
      1. hrych
        hrych 13 December 2013 21: 04
        +1
        Unfortunately for China, when its population moved from bigiks and rickshaws to motor vehicles, the consumption of China's hydrocarbons sharply increased, more than 80% of which goes by the tanker fleet via Singapore. Still, all this economic growth due to internal migrant workers - former peasants of working age, completely disempowered and without a single gram of social programs and their already more than 350 million, which exceeds the US population. The main problem is that previously agricultural China lost them as rural workers, but as a cheap slave. force on construction sites and production, one trait of them must be fed, and the once agrarian PRC is now not able to feed itself, buys food abroad, which, with a mess and a trade blockade, will lead to massive hunger. Having a huge population, China is terribly scary for some, but it must be scary for him first of all, and no one canceled the hunger riots. One way or another, but the bloodiest and most monstrous experiment on Earth, namely, Maoist China continues (the October Revolution and the Second World War, with what is happening there - children's fun).
        1. clidon
          clidon 14 December 2013 00: 31
          0
          Do not exaggerate. All states have problems, and if you take your point of view, not a single modern state in the world is capable of large-scale war - there isn’t enough oil, bread and circuses for everyone at once. On the other hand, in the current situation of the Celestial Empire, war is absolutely not needed (except for a small victorious conflict).
          And I did not understand a little, but what is "so terrible and terrible" in today's capitalist China.
          1. hrych
            hrych 14 December 2013 09: 14
            +2
            The present China is terrible and terrible because billionaires have appeared, they are all from the clan of party members, but more than a billion do not have social programs and they are not entitled to a pension, but those who have to feed the elderly in old age, i.e. children have more than one is prohibited by punitive law. As a result, for one person, God forbid, in addition to his family, it is necessary to feed two elderly parents, and the worst thing is to live out, then four grandparents. God forbid a girl is born, parents know that she will not pull it and educated rural Chinese drown her in a ditch with water and this has become the norm. The trouble is that as a result of these legal requirements, the population’s population growth was stopped, but there was a demographic imbalance, where the girls are sorely lacking and now at the office. According to statistics, 80 million young men will never be able to get brides, but according to the informal. the situation is even worse. About the internal Gaster of their lives and how they stretch the nets between the floors of factories so that the bodies do not get dirty asphalt, read on the internet yourself, of whom. stat. Recognizes 211 million, and in fact 350. Everyone admires how they shoot at stadiums and live for corruption and drugs, but no one wondered what kind of crimes there were being blamed on women and so on. There are insignificant corruption there. minority. Hunger in China never stopped, it is there now, everyone has their eyes covered with beautiful facades. But there is Uyghur, Ext. Mongolia, Tibet, there is complete poverty and people are starving to death. China is a country and a system that has taken the worst from capitalism, communism and the slave system and let you not be fooled by our unions launched by the Chinese, flaunting taikunauts in our spacesuits, etc., they cannot do a jet engine for ripped off fighters. Now the experiment is entering a different stage, for the maintenance of the elderly they were allowed to have a second child, which means the result will be even worse. All the neighbors managed to fight with China, though except Tibet and Uyghuria and the Manjuria donated by us, everywhere they piled on the Chinese, which says a lot.
            1. clidon
              clidon 14 December 2013 12: 06
              0
              The billionaires in China from the clan of party members are only for one reason, the party is so afraid of them that it wants to at least have some leverage over a rich part of the population. However, in recent years, rigor has been decreasing and decreasing.
              The social program extends to a quarter of the population of the Celestial Empire and, judging by everything (promises at the last congress), it will soon be extended to the entire working population.
              There are demographic problems, there is a finite one, so we can say that the restrictions on the number of children have just been lifted. Plus there is one more thing that the Chinese have enough - money. Brides can be brought in from less fortunate countries (as South Korea is already doing), no one has canceled emigration, etc.
              Hunger (namely hunger) in China does not exist now, even the northern regions live in principle quite well, including Mongolia. So much so that they are a dream, for example, for refugee migrant workers from neighboring DPRK.
              And do not exaggerate - the Chinese already have a lot of their own - the country is growing in all respects. And the poor and destitute are everywhere. Well, who cares about the problems of Altai villages and indeed Zamkadia.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 14 December 2013 03: 46
          0
          China has long been no longer Maoist, although they honor their history there. Unlike our progressive and liberal society.
          1. hrych
            hrych 14 December 2013 09: 23
            +2
            You are deeply mistaken, the ideals of Maoism were defended by tanks on Tiananmen Square where they crushed the people, the elite did not change, only became billionaires, and under the "golden billion" he threw his people into slavery not a little Deng, as many are mistaken, but also Mao himself when he made a cool pivot to the West and formalized the deal with Nixon.
  27. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 13 December 2013 20: 20
    +1
    Ingvar 72 (1)
    ... Most of China's exports go to the United States, and the Chinese are not fools to bite the hand that feeds.

    The question is, of course, a controversial one, who feeds whom ... the United States has a huge debt to China, in fact, it is China that dresses them, shoes and feeds them in debt, and God forbid they will demand to repay the debt, or they will refuse candy wrappers in the form of $$ - " LITTLE "will not seem to anyone.
    China, and so, without war, slowly conquering the WORLD, through the expansion of the Chinese around the world.
    1. str73
      str73 13 December 2013 21: 08
      0
      No one has ever requested debt from amers. All the debts that the United States has to the rest of the world is a tribute that it receives as a world hegemon.
  28. mountain
    mountain 13 December 2013 20: 35
    +2
    I am not special in such matters, but to understand the situation, change the scale and angle of view. Not one country can now decide on an open conflict with Russia, and we are not aggressive. And our behavior is predictable, as if in a bust they did not scare their children, this is just propaganda.
    But the United States and China clearly need detente, but they have different reasons. The states did not launch military operations in the Middle East or did not give, or did not want, how the Germans on all continents to start a war. But to start it for them, as air is necessary. China, the new player in this field and its behavior and the game, like a cat in a bear. And naturally it causes fear and insecurity. Surprisingly, the United States has little to gain from unleashing a conflict in this region. If they didn’t go any further, namely to draw all the neighbors into the conflict, and there are not a few of them. And now, under the leadership of the United States, a mess begins, but who are the participants in all the battles? I do not specifically reflect the number of participants for the reason that it is surprisingly variable, but we all know the main ones.
    What the USA ultimately gets is a strategic expander. That is, the ability to manipulate all actions far from their territory and at their discretion, depending on the behavior and strategy of China, to manipulate actions. Both to complete cessation and complete destruction, depending on the actions of China. America is also interested in Russia's behavior and whether it will help China, and help will be needed with fuel and food. Hands untied can begin to act in the Middle East, Russia will no longer receive support from China.
    As for China, it is already cramped in its shell, and there is no longer any urine to test its strength and power of the weapon, as there are already so many men and men that there is nowhere to pull. But with whom to fight with Russia, one wants to but the vein is still weak, and raw weapons, like the wars themselves, will not take risks, not this time. From the USA, the same problem, plus remoteness. And, what remains, and there is a reason, is territorial, and they need it. This is where to test weapons and train fighters. And now, as soon as China shakes, or is accidentally pushed, they will provoke it intentionally, only God knows how it will end.
    I think you can’t calculate everything, but, as an option? Do not judge strictly, hit directly on the head.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 14 December 2013 03: 56
      0
      In order to start a war, it is necessary that the people themselves realize the necessity of this war. Otherwise, he will not fight. Except for the hired army of course.
  29. not main
    not main 13 December 2013 21: 13
    +1
    An interesting fact: the Chinese have adopted an aircraft carrier! Actually, they bought an almost finished ship from Ukraine at the price of scrap! (It is not for nothing that it is called "the cheapest aircraft carrier") But the ship already had the name VARIAN! Now it is called LIAODON. Look at the map p- Ov Liaodong borders on the DPRK and Russia, Port Arthur is located on it! Now remember the history of 1904-1905 and everything will fall into place! PS The ships are not given random names! Moreover, this class is part of politics!
  30. Strashila
    Strashila 13 December 2013 21: 18
    0
    In general, the war is already going on ... China’s attempt to invest in Africa turned out to be not a small shock.
  31. chenia
    chenia 13 December 2013 22: 07
    +1
    Quote: Alexej
    Exactly! Well, why should they butt over the ocean, and most importantly why, why share it? After all, it is much easier to cut Russia. Just do not say that the Chinese have enough territory and resources.


    If only it were that way. Divide? And the resources, For the states, the best option is they are a high-tech developed country with a small group of satellites. The remaining suppliers of resources and consumers of their goods. Then they can squeeze purely economically any commodity country without war (by creating a reserve of resources, then stopping buying for a while and bringing down prices — it’s familiar after all).

    But it was yesterday, today China itself is a high-tech country, and India is torn there and they need resources. And to bring down the price of energy (for example) will not work.

    Moreover, the US is valuable as a market for China, while candy wrappers with presidents are quoted. But the buck will collapse, China will intensively begin to develop its vast domestic market (and other countries will still have to crawl there). Moreover, the progressive development of China will lead to the fact that it will decide when it is profitable to begin to destroy the state economy. And why the hell is war.

    But what will be the reaction of the mattresses when everything will fall down? Who will be to blame for their troubles?

    And China understands that at this moment it is necessary to have good allied relations with Russia (the rear is covered, and the supply of raw materials and energy carriers) .. And from the south and southeast a powerful combat-ready fleet and armed forces.

    And China now confidently and unequivocally demonstrates the vector of its expansion, the opposite of the borders of Russia. Very reasonable.

    But then, having become a world hegemon, it can reach out to Siberia and the Far East (though, having previously conducted a training war with Japan or (and) Korea).
  32. darksoul
    darksoul 13 December 2013 22: 20
    +1
    for me, let them bite, only our economy depends on both ones and others ..... if Putin’s message wasn’t more talkative, then developing the Far East and Siberia and at the same time strengthening the country's defense capability would be an adequate response while the gigimon and his newly made competitor fighting for the palm
  33. officer29
    officer29 13 December 2013 22: 41
    0
    Quote: Siberian
    RUS2012

    The way it is. First, like friends, allies. Then, (setup), cannon fodder, and then we are the most notorious enemies of all nations. And THEY ARE DEFENDERS OF ALL and the whole of democracy.

    Swam, we know, remember. The brave Entente in World War I requested the Russian Expeditionary Force to France, and threw it into the midst of the French-German front, where a significant part of the Russian army was killed. Thank God, a hundred years later they came to their senses and recently unveiled a monument to the fallen Russian soldiers. In World War II, when the Allies got near the Ardennes, the Russian Ivan again helped out - two weeks earlier he launched the offensive, without thorough preparation, how many of us were killed! During the Yugoslav peacekeeping mission, Rusbat and Ukrbat were used in the most intense conflict areas. And if Russia merges with NATO in ecstasy of love, then a second Afghanistan is guaranteed to us! and all the holes in peacekeeping operations are prepared for us am
  34. scientist
    scientist 14 December 2013 00: 10
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    Americans in their repertoire are trying to measure the whole world on their own. Now the image of the United States is greatly undermined. Therefore, American experts are urgently trying to create the image of a new enemy, the "axis of evil" in the circle of which the whole world community can be bred.
    Now more than ever, the geopolitical interests of China and Russia coincide in many respects and this needs to be used. Russia really needs such an ally now. Because unlike the mythical CSTO, the Chinese army can make a significant contribution to the military-political stability in the region. For example, a joint Russian-Chinese project to create a Eurasian missile defense system like the European one from such
  35. svp67
    svp67 14 December 2013 00: 33
    +1
    American expert: war with America is almost inevitable (Huangqiu Shibao Newspaper, China)

    Why what, and can propaganda China know how
  36. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 14 December 2013 00: 46
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    Quote: hrych


    Although Vladivostok is further south, it is far from Tashket:

    The average annual temperature in the city is +4,9 ° C. The warmest month is August, with a temperature of +20,8 ° C, the coldest - January is −11,3 ° C. The absolute maximum temperature +33,6 ° C was recorded on July 16, 1939 and July 17, 1958, the minimum −31,4 ° C was recorded on January 10, 1931.


    I can say that these many figures are from the evil one (clearly improved).
    Even the USSR signed an international agreement - which areas and on what grounds are difficult to develop (northern). Almost the entire coastal area was to be NORTH. And these are additional payments from the government. They agreed on a compromise - 20% Far Eastern.
    So, in my own skin I have repeatedly experienced that in the north of Primorye, temperatures around -50 and below are not uncommon.
    And in the summer in Vladivostok it is approaching 40.
    To this add high humidity.
    Imagine that summer, in the yard +25 - +30, bright sun without a single cloud and 100% humidity !!!
    Yes, yes - no rain and 100% humidity.
    Sweat on the face, on the back flows and does not evaporate.
    At the same time I fly to Tajikistan.
    On the street +40 and I feel great!

    I talked with scientists - why China had not mastered Primorye and the Far East at one time.
    The explanation is simple.
    Even in past centuries, the Chinese considered these areas CURSED and unsuitable for living.
    Because units settled or for the season.
    Under the USSR, young recruits from the Urals, the European part of the USSR, began to rot alive, covered with boils ...
    Until the middle of 60 goals, apples, watermelons did not grow in Primorye.
    Craftsmen grew individual specimens, more similar to dwarfs.
    Fruits were brought from Ukraine, Uzbekistan ...
    Now the level of engineering and technology allows you to arrange your life more comfortably.
    By the age of 90, almost everyone had learned to grow their own.
    But the traitors Gorbi and EBN with their staff friends ruined everything.
    There are many Chinese in Primorye.
    But not so much to be afraid of them.
    Somehow they were tamed a bit.
    Although, unlike 2000 years, they behave arrogantly and rudely. Many Chinese merchants clearly see a military bearing.
  37. VADEL
    VADEL 14 December 2013 00: 49
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    But to fight with them is useless! good good soldier
  38. VADEL
    VADEL 14 December 2013 01: 11
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    Our girls are the most beautiful! love
  39. Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 14 December 2013 02: 02
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    The world has long been ruled by loot. So the conclusions are appropriate.
  40. EGORKA
    EGORKA 14 December 2013 02: 28
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    Yes, let the States and China butt plenty)
  41. VirtusEtHonor
    VirtusEtHonor 14 December 2013 03: 54
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    China has assimilated more than one world hegemon, the same will happen with the states. Almost the whole world of the scientific elite of the USA is Chinese;)
  42. fumanchu
    fumanchu 14 December 2013 04: 02
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    Empires die long, but die.
    All that their fathers left the Americans in the form of a parasitic global food system, they are slowly eating up. And the dollar is about to collapse, and the started revolutions are somehow sluggish and not good. The industry is losing its former power, and the American spirit itself is not the same. They decomposed themselves from the inside.

    America will collapse as an empire with a high probability, back in this decade. Well, the fact that China will take the role of hegemon is unlikely. Their culture is not the same. And they don’t know how to fight.

    We will pray that the world will be rid of all hegemons and robbers. Then we’ll really heal well. :)
  43. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 14 December 2013 10: 19
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    While plenty of resources: wanted - at any gas station filled a full tank. Only now, at the current consumption in 50 years, there will be no oil left. Moreover, with the current production in 12 years, the United States and China will cease to produce oil, in 20-25 - Russia, Brazil, Canada. So imagine what will hold back from war?
  44. esaull
    esaull 14 December 2013 12: 46
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    I think war, unfortunately, is a very possible option, a new redivision of the world begins, several states have appeared with large human and technological resources and a dynamically developing economy, and for this further development, new territories and, most importantly, raw materials are very necessary, which they just do not have, but Russia has it all, but at the moment, apart from nuclear weapons, Russia has, unfortunately, the army will vryatli be able to withstand the large-scale intervention of the modern army many times superior to the Russian one. And you need to look realistically, no one will give an order for the use of even tactical nuclear weapons, if Russia uses limited nuclear weapons, this will be a reason to declare representatives of our government at least enemies of humanity and start a global persecution of the Russian Federation, which means that the West will be closed for our members forever WHERE ARE THEIR MEMBERSHIP ACCOUNTS, WHERE DO THEIR CHILDREN STUDY? There is also an option to get at least a small but answer, and again, I do not think that the authorities dream of living in a country, albeit with a small partial, but radioactive contamination, especially the exchange of full-fledged nuclear strikes is suicide for the country, and most importantly for the government elite, since let's say the Chinese or the Japanese will not use nuclear weapons first, but will become a victim of "bloodthirsty mad Russians", besides, mutual even partial destruction of Russia and China, for example, will suit America very much
  45. esaull
    esaull 14 December 2013 12: 54
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    Interestingly, China is building up its ground forces and during the exercises training its troops in several hundred kilometer marches, what purpose can be borne in mind? I don’t think there are any islands, but in any case I think we still have time, first they will run their army on some kind of weak enemy
  46. Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf 14 December 2013 13: 28
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    No, China will not pull the war with the states, and there is no benefit. Most of China's exports go to the United States, and the Chinese are not fools to bite the hand that feeds. At least for now. The Germans also sang to us in the 41st about the war with England, and they flooded us. And the United States and England helped them in adopting the right vector of attack, and can now try. Direct aggression does not threaten us from Europe, but from the east ... in short, we need to be friends with China, but the defense in the Far East needs to be strengthened at times. hi

    What is the US "feeding" China ???? The non-penny bills of which China has accumulated 3.5 trillion? The United States once fed China with TECHNOLOGIES. Now the US does not fucking need China!
  47. DmitriVoronez
    DmitriVoronez 14 December 2013 14: 20
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    China will tear America)
  48. fumanchu
    fumanchu 14 December 2013 16: 12
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    Quote: esaull
    I think war, unfortunately, is a very possible option, a new redivision of the world begins, several states have appeared with large human and technological resources and a dynamically developing economy, and for this further development, new territories and, most importantly, raw materials are very necessary, which they just do not have, but Russia has it all, but at the moment, apart from nuclear weapons, Russia has, unfortunately, the army will vryatli be able to withstand the large-scale intervention of the modern army many times superior to the Russian one. And you need to look realistically, no one will give an order for the use of even tactical nuclear weapons, if Russia uses limited nuclear weapons, this will be a reason to declare representatives of our government at least enemies of humanity and start a global persecution of the Russian Federation, which means that the West will be closed for our members forever WHERE ARE THEIR MEMBERSHIP ACCOUNTS, WHERE DO THEIR CHILDREN STUDY? There is also an option to get at least a small but answer, and again, I do not think that the authorities dream of living in a country, albeit with a small partial, but radioactive contamination, especially the exchange of full-fledged nuclear strikes is suicide for the country, and most importantly for the government elite, since let's say the Chinese or the Japanese will not use nuclear weapons first, but will become a victim of "bloodthirsty mad Russians", besides, mutual even partial destruction of Russia and China, for example, will suit America very much



    When viewed from high, the world war is already underway. Only in a slightly different plane.
    After all, wars are being waged, although they are being fine-tuned by civilians, but they have specific powerful instigators and these instigating countries have specific goals of confrontation.
    All attributes of war are available. Only it is conducted on a non-participatory territory and has false pretexts. And the economic and informational component of military operations is several times higher than in the classical war.

    Welcome to the 21st century. Now all the confrontations will be like that. The war changed face, but sides and goals remained.
  49. mountain
    mountain 14 December 2013 19: 27
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    Quote: Z.O.V.
    In order to start a war, it is necessary that the people themselves realize the necessity of this war. Otherwise, he will not fight. Except for the hired army of course.

    I don’t remember cases when the people held councils with regard to either the beginning or the end.