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Afghanistan: blood, opium and headache of the future Eurasian Union

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Afghanistan is the grave-digger of empires, a country of mountains and opium fields. For some, this is the birthplace, for some - the place of training in the camps and running jihadist experience.


But, perhaps, for the leaders of all of the neighboring countries in the region of Afghanistan, without exception, Afghanistan is now a nagging headache with a tendency to serious aggravation by the end of next year.

Monocultural country

If Uzbek schoolchildren are sometimes forced to skip school, participating in harvesting cotton in the fields of the country, many of their Afghan peers do not go anywhere at all. There is nothing to boast about the country.

The only thing that Afghanistan has been able to achieve “success” since the early 90's is in the cultivation of opium poppy. This year alone, its acreage increased by 36%: from 154 to 209 thou. Ha. And if last year was marked by a record wheat harvest, and it was collected 4,15 million tons, then this one was a record collection of opium - 5,5 thousand tons (950 million dollars, 4% of the country's GDP).

The record was made not only due to the expansion of acreage, although in the 2013 year, unlike the previous ones, not only the western provinces of Balkh and Faryab fell under the pressure of poppy seeds, but also the northern ones, where the potion had not previously been grown at all. Faryab mentioned above six months ago was hardly controlled by official Kabul at all; instead, the Taliban, later squeezed into the mountains, became the authorities in the provinces.

And even despite attempts to transfer Helmand peasants from poppies to saffron (the cost of saffron 1 in retail - 10 – 15 dollars), the production of potions in this province increased by 34%.

The NATO contingent in 2010 year refused to destroy the opium fields. According to David Johnson, the assistant secretary of state for drug control: “We found that the opium poppy destruction program did not match the costs that were made, and the success was very modest. The export of opium poppy products from Afghanistan seriously threatens Russia, as well as all its neighbors, even Western Europe and Asia. But I do not think that the extermination program will be able to effectively remove this threat - especially the one that we carried out and which we stopped. ”

Well, let's hope that after the termination of the program, the efficiency still improved.

In the meantime, no one fights with the opium fields, the authorities and the Taliban sow the fields, converting the opium into weapon and ammunition. 90% opium yield is given by 9 provinces in the west and south of the country, while opium is grown in at least 19 from 34 provinces in Afghanistan.

Pashtuns living in those southernmost provinces are saving money: the winter will end and the traditional Taliban attack will take place in the spring. His goal is unchanged - the victory and the resurrection of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan by 2015. As soon as Kabul weakens, Mullah Omar will return to the country, and with him all the old orders.

Pushtunvali instead of Sharia

The Taliban will not invent anything new to 2015: students, and this is how the Taliban translates, having only “education” in the madrasa, will restore the orders that they call “Sharia law”. However, the punishment and lifestyle of the Taliban have nothing to do with the Sharia. Everything that is being presented to Afghans as Sharia is actually Pashtunvali — the code of customary law of the Pashtun tribes, the divergence of which with the Shari'ah is quite serious.

But first, the Taliban will need not only to strengthen their positions in the south-west, which is actually under their control, but also to expand their power to the central and northern provinces. And here the Taliban may have difficulties: in the center of Afghanistan, around Kabul, the Hazaras-Shiites live fairly compactly, and the relations with the Taliban, to put it mildly, are not very good. The north is populated by Uzbeks and Tajiks, whom the Taliban Pashtuns despise.

Most likely, the Taliban will get bogged down in battles in the central part of Afghanistan, where the main bases of the Americans will be located. In this case, Afghanistan will fall apart into several warring states fed by opium streams.

There is no one to provide security

In the meantime, the Taliban are saving up money, the Americans are putting pressure on Karzai, wanting to force him to sign an agreement allowing him to leave his military on 9 bases. It is planned that 15 thousands of people will remain in Afghanistan instead of the current 87 thousands of troops. Naturally, 15 of thousands of American bayonets, despite their overwhelming technical and technological superiority, will not be engaged in maintaining security in the country. The task of the Americans is to survive in all this tangle of contradictions and retain the ability to redirect the anger of the warring parties in the direction they want, both inside and outside Afghanistan.

To ensure security in the republic during the years of occupation, 352 trained thousands of servicemen and police officers. And if we assume that the Americans leave the country, as they threaten the government of Afghanistan (and they will not, after all they did not enter it for democratization), then the Afghan police and army without 4 billions of dollars allocated by the Americans will simply cease to exist.

It is worth considering the fact that by 2015, the Taliban can receive outside help. Saudi Arabia, until recently the closest ally of the United States and concurrently the main sponsor of world terrorism, can redirect part of the militants now fighting in Syria to Afghanistan.

Another point is the position of Pakistan. Pakistan helped the Taliban’s previous regime in every way through military intelligence and did not prevent the Taliban from moving from the Pakistani part of the tribal zone to the Afghan one. How Pakistan will behave now and beyond is not entirely clear. However, the tribal zone of Islamabad is still not in control, and therefore the Taliban feel at home there.

In fact, no one and nothing can ensure security in Afghanistan in the coming years. However, this is realized not only in Central Asia, but also in the republics of the Customs Union.

How will meet the chaos

Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will not prepare much for the return of the Taliban. The Uzbeks with Afghanistan have the shortest border in Central Asia, just a kilometer away 174, and therefore, Uzbek border guards can close it themselves without any particular problems.

Turkmenistan cannot boast of such a long border, but the Taliban did not interfere with 1996 through 2001 for years: Turkmen were the few who recognized the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and provided him with humanitarian aid; will pay off this time.

The situation is quite different in Tajikistan. The kilometer-long border in 1344 is controlled by border guards, who have only a dog from aids, and an automatic weapon from a weapon. The effectiveness of such control in the comments does not need. Therefore, CSTO is already assisting Tajikistan in arranging the border with Afghanistan.

If necessary, the formed Rapid Reaction Forces will act as a “fire brigade”, Russian military personnel from the 201 military base and a double-winged air wing from the air base in Kyrgyz Kant.

However, there is still time to prepare: before the start of raids into neighboring states, the Taliban will need to weaken official Kabul as much as possible and to achieve the stability of their own power, and with this they will have problems.

... In the meantime, Afghanistan remains a country of poppy fields, richly fertilized with blood, a factory of deadly potion and a headache for the countries of Eurasia. And to climb headlong into the thick of the vast opium plantations, fighting there with the Taliban, fortunately, no one in Eurasia is going.

In this situation, Russia is doing the most right: it strengthens the allies, first of all Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, re-equipping their armies, and helps Tajik border guards that exist on the fasting ration in the years of independence of Tajikistan. In fact, the Customs Union promotes integration in the military sphere, as long as it is not quiet in the rear, only a madman will climb into the cauldron of trouble.

However, in the distant future it will be necessary to return to Afghanistan and at least restore everything that the Soviet Union managed to create.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 13 December 2013 11: 20 New
    +9
    The granary granary of the CIA, the Pentagon and the United States in the end !!! Having not found any serious minerals in the country, the United States decided to leave several military bases in this country, a strategic place from which you can keep all of Asia under the hood, if necessary heroin transit around the world !!! Combine the useful with the pleasant, good, there are transport aircraft that fly with cargo to Kosovo, America, Asia, Australia !!! Here is such a democracy in America !!!
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 13 December 2013 16: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will not particularly prepare for the return of the Taliban.


      Uzbekistan has been preparing for a long time, the borders are mined, the border zone is blocked, the army and the police are everywhere. SNB expands staff. Vobschem region in anticipation ...
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 13 December 2013 17: 43 New
        +7
        The whole question is about the "sponsor". The Taliban themselves, or the IMU, or someone else there will not trample through the "river". Who needs it? In the beginning there will be "internal squabbles" - a civil war. But then you need to negotiate with the new authorities.
        But I think that our authorities can play ahead. We need people loyal to us who studied or lived in the USSR to come to power. Such people must be equipped with weapons and everything necessary. It is necessary to "participate" in the formation of the new government. And the fact that it will be obvious, tk. Karzai does not control anything there, and his brother-in-law and relatives have been in drug lords for a long time. We don't need Karzai either - a Western henchman. In short, "theirs" there must be promoted to power. By any methods and means. Afghan must enter the zone of our interests, period (otherwise we will betray the memory of our fallen boys). Otherwise it will be a constant headache. There is nothing worse than a poor, impoverished neighbor. We need to act now (I think ours are not sitting around), and then ... an interested sponsor will be found and we will get a fire on our border. We've been through this already. hi
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 13 December 2013 20: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Kasym
          We need people loyal to us who studied or lived in the USSR to come to power. Such people must be equipped with weapons and everything necessary. We must "take part" in the formation of the new government ...


          This script has already passed in 70, and we remember very well how it ended. We need a new approach - something original, conceptually new. Otherwise, everything will go in a circle again.
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 13 December 2013 21: 26 New
          -2
          In a good way, you first need to soak Pakistan together with the Indians - from there comes all this riffraff, in Afghanistan it only regroups and attacks
          1. hommer
            hommer 13 December 2013 22: 09 New
            +4
            Quote: Basarev
            you must first soak Pakistan with the Indians


            How are you going to "dunk" a country with a population of one hundred and eighty million people and possessing nuclear weapons ?!
            Offer to start a nuclear war ?!
            Have you played computer games?
            Homebrew "strategists" got tired of it.
            Minus from me.
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 14 December 2013 18: 14 New
              -1
              We should not be afraid of war! We should not be afraid even of atomic war. When short-term rivers of blood are able to stop bloodshed in an unfortunate country forever, we should not be afraid to get stained in blood
    2. A.YARY
      A.YARY 13 December 2013 18: 47 New
      0
      the central part of Afghanistan, where the main bases of the Americans will be located.


      They will also train the Taliban and other evil spirits, which they will use in Central and Central Asia, the Caucasus and finally where it will come to. it is many times cheaper than using your army.
      In this manner, a pile of problems is thrown off and time is gained for solving internal problems in SyShyA.
  2. Retx
    Retx 13 December 2013 15: 46 New
    +4
    Drones, need drones, a lot ...
  3. Genur
    Genur 13 December 2013 15: 55 New
    +1
    It will be very difficult to neutralize this abscess of the Earth. It would not have been necessary to apply American policy - to crush Afghanistan into parts.
    1. AVV
      AVV 13 December 2013 16: 34 New
      +1
      The Americans staked out this territory, they consider it the key to the countries of Asia, and they are not going to leave it, and they will keep Karzai on a short leash !!! Yes, this is also the Bermuda triangle, where the state budget allocated for the restoration of Afghanistan is being sawn off, the Pentagon’s money is written off, plus drug trafficking works !!! So, that will not work, but who will do it?
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 13 December 2013 22: 19 New
        +1
        In fact, in their last rise to power, the Taliban very thoroughly reduced the production of opium and heroin in the country - at times.
    2. user
      user 13 December 2013 17: 20 New
      +3
      Well, the story repeats itself.
      Remember in the 70s there was a "golden triangle". It was the border of Laos, Vietnam, Kombodzhy - who remembers this now. This triangle played the same role as Afghanistan today, and before that there was China - where almost 90% were "hashists", and before that there was India and. ... ... ... In the country that was getting rid of the foreign yoke, the authorities quickly enough, albeit with brutal measures, put things in order in this matter.
      No one resting in Thailand even stutters about some problem with drugs or drug trafficking, but just over 30 years have passed.
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 December 2013 16: 02 New
    0
    The farther, the more disturbing news from this region will be more.
  5. Clegg
    Clegg 13 December 2013 16: 21 New
    +3
    may there be no Eurasian Union
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 December 2013 17: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Clegg
      may there be no Eurasian Union

      Thank God!
  6. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 13 December 2013 16: 21 New
    +3
    For a long time, there have been fears in the media that when NATO withdraws from Afghanistan, drugs will rush through Central Asia to Russia. But now, is NATO effectively countering drug trafficking? No matter how. When the Taliban were in power, they successfully fought the drug trade. NATO has untied the hands of crime, and indeed, drug trafficking has multiplied. One can hope that when NATO leaves and the Taliban take power again (removing the American protege Karzai) the flow of heroin will decrease significantly.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 13 December 2013 21: 28 New
      +1
      And rightly so - even the Taliban are aware that drugs are not Muslim and do not work at all
  7. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 December 2013 16: 27 New
    +1
    Afghanistan grave digger of empires.
    in principle, yes democrats wish good luck laughing and to come true. In Afghanistan, there’s nothing to do with unicellular brains.
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 16: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Clegg
    may there be no Eurasian Union

    Alas, you’re wrong .. Whether we want it or not, we’ll have to unite ... Judging by what’s happening in the world alone, we won’t be able to sit in our trenches .. (And we’ll return to Afghanistan .. only in a new capacity .. it seems so..)
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 17: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Whether we like it or not, we will have to unite.

      we do not want and will not.

      http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/nazarbaev-kazahstan-vyiydet-lyubogo-soyuza-
      sluchae-uschemleniya-nezavisimosti-232988 /

      Quote: MIKHAN
      . (And in Afghanistan we will return .. only already in a new quality .. it seems to me ..)

      Your right, let's only without us. Kazakh guys should not die for your imperial interests.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 13 December 2013 17: 37 New
        -4
        Quote: Clegg
        Your right, let's only without us. Kazakh guys should not die for your imperial interests.

        Russian guys should not die for Kazakh Asiopians. And zratrat Putin’s pre-empire of Russians do not need, do not flatter yourself.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 17: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Warrawar
          And zratrat Putin’s pre-empire of Russians do not need, do not flatter yourself.

          judging by this forum of the Imperials there are still many, you would consolidate the non-Imperials and repulse the Imperials.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 13 December 2013 18: 03 New
            -6
            Quote: Clegg
            judging by this forum of the Imperials there are still many, you would consolidate the non-Imperials and repulse the Imperials.

            These are the remnants of the Soviet nomenclature, but they will soon die out and the problem will be solved by itself.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 13 December 2013 18: 05 New
              -4
              Quote: Warrawar
              the problem will be solved by itself.

              Inshalla
  9. Fobos-grunt
    Fobos-grunt 13 December 2013 16: 58 New
    +1
    In a state where the only profitable business is drugs, the change of power does not matter. Here any elected leader is a drug lord, and any revolution will be "Poppy"
  10. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 13 December 2013 17: 14 New
    +2
    Blood, opium and headache ... Behind all this are only three letters - USA. - a huge hemorrhoids of modern mankind ...
    1. AVV
      AVV 13 December 2013 22: 16 New
      +1
      The USA is sucks, or rather sucks, from all over the world, the scum of the world community and no matter how Obama puffed up, this is the conclusion of famous political scientists, world-famous scientists, a nation that parasitizes in other countries cannot call itself exceptional, it echoes statements Adolf Hitler on the exclusivity of the Aryan race !!! And the history of such statements does not forgive !!!
  11. Clegg
    Clegg 13 December 2013 17: 22 New
    0
    In general, I think it is necessary to divide this state into four parts, to give Tajiks, Uzbeks, Persians and Pakistanis piece by piece.
    1. Ustian
      Ustian 13 December 2013 17: 58 New
      +6
      Quote: Clegg
      In general, I think it is necessary to divide this state into four parts, to give Tajiks, Uzbeks, Persians and Pakistanis piece by piece.

      Are you talking about the usa? wassat
      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 13 December 2013 18: 47 New
        +3
        Are you talking about the usa? Best comment !!! +++
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 19: 13 New
          +5
          Quote: Prapor-527
          Are you talking about the usa? Best comment !!! +++

          Soglasen, horoshaya shutka.
  12. bubla5
    bubla5 13 December 2013 17: 22 New
    0
    It is one thing for the Taliban to fight in their homeland where some part of the local population supports them, it is another thing to invade someone else’s territory and therefore they will simply prepare the opposition of those countries to fight on their land
  13. Keeper
    Keeper 13 December 2013 17: 35 New
    0
    In vain Afghanistan does not deal with spices - for centuries it has been a profitable business !!!
    (For some reason I remembered the fantastic film "Dunes" about spices on a planet without water)
    It seems to me that the drug boom that began in the distant 19 century (of course, it was much earlier - the Opium Wars), nevertheless someday it will gradually fall into place - it will filter out, like smoking marijuana! Smart people do not go into the outlet, but stupid ?! I remember Sparta ...
    Cruel, but ... (Eugenics has nothing to do with it) The nation must be healthy!
    Many smoked weed, and realized that the brain can do a lot without it ...

    Why am I all this ?! I think that neither gay lesbianism, nor nationalism, nor hostility will take root here! We will stifle in our loveful embrace)))
  14. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 17: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    Your right, let's only without us. Kazakh guys should not die for your imperial interests.

    Nobody has proposed to you yet .. Nazarbayev is an old and experienced politician (if it weren’t for him, Kazakhstan would have been torn to pieces ..) Your vast territory covers you (no offense), you don’t protect your own borders .. If there’s a gang from 1000 (crushed of course) like a knife through oil would go through your territory to the borders of Russia .. That's when Nazarbayev leaves (Allah give him long years of life.) Then it will start as always .. Kazakh guys may start killing each other .. And Russia it is not necessary ..!
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 17: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .Nazarbayev is an old and experienced politician.

      Yes, I agree, but he will throw you. Then do not say that you did not warn.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Kazakh guys may start killing each other.

      We will figure it out ourselves.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      If that gang of 1000 (fragmented of course) like a knife through oil would go through your territory to the borders of Russia

      Will not pass
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 18: 09 New
    +6
    Quote: Clegg
    Quote: Warrawar
    And zratrat Putin’s pre-empire of Russians do not need, do not flatter yourself.

    judging by this forum of the Imperials there are still many, you would consolidate the non-Imperials and repulse the Imperials.

    Imperial invaders, etc. Russia has always sought to unite the border tribes in order to stop all these petty slaughter and raids and somehow secure their borders .. The USSR collapsed, so what? it’s better for you to live your former "brotherly" life (mind you, they let go of the majority without blood and showdowns, they left everything and weapons except nuclear weapons ..) Now a global world conflict is brewing .. and you are looking to the left again .. well, when they start driving you from the UAV across the steppe .. Again you will huddle to the "occupants" .. Moscow Yvon is already suffocating from all these "free and independent .." everyone wants to eat .. As a result, we are bad again! Oh wait, you former "brothers" .. The Russians are not vindictive, but if you get it .. "Mom, do not grieve .." Do not bother us and that's it!
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 December 2013 18: 28 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia has always sought to unite border tribes in order to stop all these minor slaughter and raids and somehow secure its borders.

      It is better to equip your defense and border (in case of raids). And they will sort it out somehow.
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 18: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (mind you let go of the majority without blood and showdowns all left and weapons except nuclear weapons ..)

      Thanks to the Americans, they tried.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well, when they start to drive you out of the UAV across the steppe ..

      Well, they will drive, then what?

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Do not bother us and that's it!

      No one bothers, just don’t call us into your alliances, etc.
  16. Christian
    Christian 13 December 2013 18: 27 New
    0
    Afghanistan: blood, opium and headache of the future Eurasian Union
    Under the Russian Empire, under the USSR, Afghanistan was not a headache! Putin said in his message that the Customs and other "unions" are purely economic projects. Putin never, I repeat, NEVER uttered a word about the desirability of some kind of political union! real reconstruction of the empire-problems we would not have (and not only with Afghanistan!).
  17. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 13 December 2013 18: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Clegg
    In general, I think it is necessary to divide this state into four parts, to give Tajiks, Uzbeks, Persians and Pakistanis piece by piece.
    "No one will ever be able to conquer Afghanistan" ... This saying is attributed to Alexander the Great. I think that this is more likely not a saying, but a prophecy ...
    1. kare
      kare 13 December 2013 20: 08 New
      +3
      Macedonian, and even that homodril. You can prophesy anything there, just the Macedonian phalanx, like in everything else, the troops of all the others didn’t run so fast in the mountains. This is a troublesome business, and it’s impossible to conquer it who does not need
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 18: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: Christian
    Afghanistan: blood, opium and headache of the future Eurasian Union

    Russia offered amers to spray poppy plantations with our special means (safe for people and destroys only poppy ..) The answer was devastating "The Afghan population will starve as this is their main income .. like a violation of human rights .. heh heh .. That's all" democracy ".. bully
  19. Warrawar
    Warrawar 13 December 2013 18: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Prapor-527
    "No one will ever be able to conquer Afghanistan" ... This saying is attributed to Alexander the Great. I think that this is rather not a saying, but a prophecy

    Why grab it? This impoverished, Asian state, in terms of development, is in the early Middle Ages.
    It makes no sense to capture him. It must be protected from the rest of the world and dropped a bomb so that they would not suffer.
    1. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 13 December 2013 19: 10 New
      0
      I didn't say grab. You can capture territory, and conquer the people. Historically, no one has succeeded. What can not be said about the European "states" dutifully dancing to the "tune" of Uncle Sam ...
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 13 December 2013 19: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Prapor-527
        I didn't say grab. You can capture territory, and conquer the people. Historically, no one has succeeded. What can not be said about the European "states" dutifully dancing to the "tune" of Uncle Sam ...

        Nonsense ... what does it mean you can capture territory, but not "conquer" the people. Afghanistan is completely defeated by the United States, and local aborigines (like the people) are not asked there.
        There is no people there, just rabble from different Asian, nomadic tribes.




        Resident of Sarab village, opium addict Islam Beg (center) offers an opium pipe to his grandson during morning smoking



        http://zyalt.livejournal.com/423151.html

        http://bigpicture.ru/?p=7564
  20. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 13 December 2013 19: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: Warrawar
    It must be protected from the rest of the world and dropped a bomb so that they would not suffer.
    You just need to throw a bomb on another "shitty" state ... so that the rest do not suffer
  21. Stinger
    Stinger 13 December 2013 19: 21 New
    0
    Indeed, if there were no Afghanistan, it had to be created. As an example for all well-wishers who want to "help" get on the path of truth.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 December 2013 19: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      Indeed, if there were no Afghanistan, it had to be created. As an example for all well-wishers who want to "help" get on the path of truth.

      Yes, that's right ... Afghanistan, in the best possible way, shows what happens to states that live according to the "bright" commandments of the prophet.
  22. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 13 December 2013 19: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Warrawar
    There is no people there, just rabble from different Asian, nomadic tribes.
    Something from Hitler ... hi
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 December 2013 19: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Prapor-527
      Something from Hitler ...

      Statement of facts and nothing more.
      1. The comment was deleted.
  23. Lindon
    Lindon 13 December 2013 19: 54 New
    +2
    I will not believe that the United States will leave the region and Afghanistan.
    If they leave what they lose:
    1) The base for the production of heroin for the degradation of the population of the region and in particular Russia.
    2) A military base is near by Iran, China, Russia and other countries in the region. Given that China and Russia are sworn friends of the United States.
    3) The base for the training of militant Islamists which are actively used from Libya, Syria, the North Caucasus to East Turkestan (Chinese Xinjiang).

    In general, the author has beguiled - Russia does not prepare to enter Afghanistan. She is preparing for the fact that even the worst can fly from there to Russia. And much can fly in - more precisely, what is already from drugs to militants is only a few orders of magnitude more.
  24. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 19: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Prapor-527
    Quote: Clegg
    In general, I think it is necessary to divide this state into four parts, to give Tajiks, Uzbeks, Persians and Pakistanis piece by piece.
    "No one will ever be able to conquer Afghanistan" ... This saying is attributed to Alexander the Great. I think that this is more likely not a saying, but a prophecy ...

    Russia never conquered .. we built hospital schools there .. (well, of course we fought .. Americans tried ..) Afghans are too distrustful of all the conquerors alas, they all try to have them ... and they remember shuravi (now compared to the good side ) .. many of them studied with us and not only military affairs .. the USSR tried to make a social state with all the infrastructure of Afghanistan for decades we didn’t have to give it to us .. Now this is a world-wide opium syndicate .. Americans have done their job and there ... Think about it, it’s useless to fight with Afghanistan .. you need to honestly need them .. schools to build. hospitals .. learn to earn money not on opium .. but by honest work and are not afraid that someone will start bombing or shoot with impunity .. and that’s it! Time is needed so that all kinds of filth do not interfere ..
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 December 2013 20: 11 New
      -2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .we built hospital schools there ..

      And what's the point?

      Quote: MIKHAN
      The USSR tried to make a social state from Afghanistan with all the infrastructure

      And what's the point?


      Quote: MIKHAN
      It’s useless to fight with Afghanistan .. honestly you need to .. school to build. Hospitals .. to learn to earn money not on opium .. but by honest work and not afraid that someone will start to bomb or shoot with impunity .. that's all!

      kind soul ... you to start building a school and a hospital in the Russian Federation, otherwise everything falls apart in the provinces and people live in barracks that were built in 1918


      Quote: MIKHAN
      So think

      It wouldn’t hurt you to think sometimes.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 13 December 2013 20: 24 New
        +3
        Sometimes I think, because in Russia the most oppressed Russians are.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 13 December 2013 20: 29 New
        +1
        It will still be our way ... (and you feel it ..))) That's why you get angry bully
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 20: 38 New
          +1
          MIKHAN, to whom are you?
          1. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 13 December 2013 22: 01 New
            0
            Quote: Clegg
            MIKHAN, to whom are you?

            Warrawar (1
    2. Reyngard
      Reyngard 13 December 2013 21: 30 New
      +1
      Alexander of Macedon did not even know any Afghanistan! He simply stupidly (so to speak) conquered Bactria, Persia, India, did not at all care about the needs of their population, carefully cutting it out if it resisted ...
  25. yurii p
    yurii p 13 December 2013 20: 23 New
    +1
    "Afghanistan: blood, opium and the headache of the future Eurasian Union" ... while this is a headache for Russia, which is beneficial to Europe and the United States.
  26. Reyngard
    Reyngard 13 December 2013 20: 44 New
    0
    But can you test 7-8 neutron bombs in Afghanistan so that there is no doubt about their effectiveness? After all, the thesis: there are no harmful nations; today, as never before, it does not find confirmation, despite the cries of universal humanism and religious tolerance.
    1. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 13 December 2013 23: 30 New
      0
      Come on Uncle!
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 13 December 2013 23: 58 New
        -1
        Well, just do not need about the tear of a child negative it's not sports laughing
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 14 December 2013 00: 53 New
          0
          Is war a sport for you? Have you seen the WAR? ... A child’s tear is worth any WAR ... I've seen enough ...
          1. Lesnik
            Lesnik 14 December 2013 01: 46 New
            0
            Well, first of all, you don't need to juggle and you don't need to press on pity either. Secondly, there was a pacifist "defender of the cared for and oppressed" In the third - what and who Saw it, I advise you not to kick yourself in the chest, no one is driving a civilian tank to anything
            1. Prapor-527
              Prapor-527 14 December 2013 03: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Forestman
              don't hit your heel in the chest
              I didn’t think so.
  27. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 13 December 2013 20: 58 New
    +1
    Normal drones must be developed, then there will be no problems with the Afghan drug trafficking.
    Having a drone capable of being in the air for dozens of hours and which can carry several tons of payload, it is possible to create a flotilla of drones that carry tanks with a reagent destroying opium poppy crops as a payload. Now imagine that there is a flotilla of several hundred such drones capable of refueling and herbicides in the air (a flotilla of other drones makes refueling in the air). We calmly send the flotilla to Afghanistan at night where it destroys all crops in a matter of months. If you process the field with poppy seeds in this way for a couple of years, then this business will simply bend or become very troublesome. I’m not even talking about the benefits of reducing drug trafficking - and so it is obvious. Yes, after several raids there will be attempts to shoot down (and some will probably bring down), there is an option - instead of direct pollination, use planning tanks that are dropped from a height of 15-18 km, flying up to the field such a tank will have a speed comparable to a cruise missile (it’s unrealistic to shoot down from Kalash - only a full-fledged air defense installation). Such a tank is blown up over the field and spraying the herbicide - the result is the same.

    To get the coordinates of the fields with opium poppy - one spit - everything is perfectly visible from satellites (different cultures have different "signatures" on space images).

    PS I'm not talking about the fact that this technology is useful in their own agriculture - for automatic pollination of fields (by the way, in Japan, unmanned helicopters are already in full use for this)

    It seems to me that today this approach is the most effective for solving Afghan drug trafficking.
    UAVs are most advantageous to base in Turkmenistan.

    PS. Just don't say that it is not real and more complicated than the Energia-Buran project
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 December 2013 21: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Crocodilech
      Normal drones must be developed, then there will be no problems with the Afghan drug trafficking.

      It is necessary to introduce a visa regime with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, then there will be no problems with drug trafficking.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 13 December 2013 21: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Warrawar
        It is necessary to introduce a visa regime with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, then there will be no problems with drug trafficking.

        It is useless if we do not have a visa regime with them. Include Kazakhstan in the list.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 13 December 2013 22: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Crocodilech
          different cultures have different "signatures" on space images
          Especially during flowering
        2. Warrawar
          Warrawar 13 December 2013 23: 05 New
          -2
          Quote: Clegg

          It is useless if we do not have a visa regime with them. Include Kazakhstan in the list.

          Kazakhstan is also needed, especially now Navalny is collecting signatures for the introduction of visas with Kazakhstan as well.
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  28. individual
    individual 13 December 2013 21: 04 New
    0
    Opium and blood heavily implicated in a kind of Islam will still leave its mark in the history of countries and peoples trampling their land.
    That's who it is worth to wall off and let the Afghan tribes decide how they can build their lives.
  29. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 13 December 2013 21: 28 New
    0
    Quote: individ
    That's who it is worth to wall off and let the Afghan tribes decide how they can build their lives.

    First, it is necessary to deprive them of their existing economic base - the heroin business. And then let them decide further. They can grow fruits - the climate for this and they are good.
  30. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 22: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Warrawar
    Quote: Crocodilech
    Normal drones must be developed, then there will be no problems with the Afghan drug trafficking.

    It is necessary to introduce a visa regime with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, then there will be no problems with drug trafficking.

    Fool you are cortone .. (I beg your pardon ..) Visa walls, etc .. funny ..! That's when the Americans leave Afghanistan .. (we need to squeeze them out of sympathizers, there are a lot left in Afghanistan) we will destroy the poppy plantations (there is a method ..) Many "former" Asian countries will lose profits and significant ones .. (in Moscow, you need to drive non-Gaster drugs there .. transshipment point ..)
    Why are we Russian Russians called invaders ..? It’s just that poppy fields were destroyed and shot at the borders of everyone who would cross .. And then they went to Afghanistan to destroy this unclear and destroyed ..! So Asia will soon block your drug trafficking .. and the lafa will end .. honestly have to work .. (if you don’t want to we will bomb as Americans ..) Because this is a threat to the security of Russia ..!
  31. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 13 December 2013 22: 46 New
    +1
    The one who smacked me with a minus seems to have a share in drug trafficking from Afghanistan (no other way to understand).
  32. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 13 December 2013 22: 49 New
    +2
    Yes, they’ve already killed !!! Afghanistan is the burial ground of empires, Afghanistan is unstoppable! When will you leave this rubbish to scribes, but to filmmakers! No.
    Quote: Prapor-527
    I didn't say grab. You can capture territory, and conquer the people. Historically, no one has succeeded.

    Yes, because historically nobody was going to do this !!! fool Catching wild tribes in endless deserts just to type to subjugate them and to become a kind of ruler over them? At least you yourself understand the whole delirium of this idea! What could be the point ??? request (political or economic) Or maybe some kind of sacred? so enlighten. wink In general, everything is much more commonplace! Macedonian flogged there for resources - the golden fleece, drag. pebbles, etc. In recent history, ours and pin..sy went there for politics (military-political presence) it’s like to go to kebabs, to a river and make some noise so that rival kebabs, on the other side of the river, suddenly do not decide that they are alone on this the light. yes
  33. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 13 December 2013 22: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Especially during flowering

    Yes, but you can determine it before flowering - google the topic "hyperspectral exploration". The range of visible light does not play a big role - i.e. you can define this rubbish when it just started to give the first shoots.
  34. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 22: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Crocodilech
    Quote: individ
    That's who it is worth to wall off and let the Afghan tribes decide how they can build their lives.

    First, it is necessary to deprive them of their existing economic base - the heroin business. And then let them decide further. They can grow fruits - the climate for this and they are good.

    So what’s a crocodile?
    Quote: Crocodilech
    The one who smacked me with a minus seems to have a share in drug trafficking from Afghanistan (no other way to understand).

    I’ll slap you minus .... And I advise you not to think about the minuses and pluses ... Write what you think in your own words .. (even if it is clumsy ... this is the main thing .. and the main thing is to read the articles .. and think about it!)
  35. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 13 December 2013 23: 19 New
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: Crocodilech
    Quote: individ
    That's who it is worth to wall off and let the Afghan tribes decide how they can build their lives.

    First, it is necessary to deprive them of their existing economic base - the heroin business. And then let them decide further. They can grow fruits - the climate for this and they are good.

    So what’s a crocodile?
    Quote: Crocodilech
    The one who smacked me with a minus seems to have a share in drug trafficking from Afghanistan (no other way to understand).

    I’ll slap you minus .... And I advise you not to think about the minuses and pluses ... Write what you think in your own words .. (even if it is clumsy ... this is the main thing .. and the main thing is to read the articles .. and think about it!)

    And what did I write in my own words ????? This is my repost from another site, by the way. If the method proposed by me seems incorrect to you - please write your arguments. Otherwise, it’s not a discussion - and so - they went out to smoke.
  36. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 23: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
    Yes, they’ve already killed !!! Afghanistan is the burial ground of empires, Afghanistan is unstoppable! When will you leave this rubbish to scribes, but to filmmakers! No.
    Quote: Prapor-527
    I didn't say grab. You can capture territory, and conquer the people. Historically, no one has succeeded.

    Yes, because historically nobody was going to do this !!! fool Catching wild tribes in endless deserts just to type to subjugate them and to become a kind of ruler over them? At least you yourself understand the whole delirium of this idea! What could be the point ??? request (political or economic) Or maybe some kind of sacred? so enlighten. wink In general, everything is much more commonplace! Macedonian flogged there for resources - the golden fleece, drag. pebbles, etc. In recent history, ours and pin..sy went there for politics (military-political presence) it’s like to go to kebabs, to a river and make some noise so that rival kebabs, on the other side of the river, suddenly do not decide that they are alone on this the light. yes

    Come on get angry .. (wolf cub, even from the Urals) Russia doesn’t seize the peoples (at the borders) but joins them with consent.! and protects .. And so, in principle, we have already freed Europe more than once .. (and let go ..)) Now it is becoming gay Europe .. Arabs Africa spills them .. and they feed them .. they pay money ..! In Russia, this will not work ..! Lousy and hungry "former" younger "brothers" who rush to Russia by hook or by hook for any money ... (from where they came to their authorities it is easier .. less problems and money goes .. the main thing is drug trafficking in this stream is going badly .. angry Can bomb start (like the Americans ..) ??? We have the right ..
  37. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 23: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Crocodilech
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: Crocodilech
    Quote: individ
    That's who it is worth to wall off and let the Afghan tribes decide how they can build their lives.

    First, it is necessary to deprive them of their existing economic base - the heroin business. And then let them decide further. They can grow fruits - the climate for this and they are good.

    So what’s a crocodile?
    Quote: Crocodilech
    The one who smacked me with a minus seems to have a share in drug trafficking from Afghanistan (no other way to understand).

    I’ll slap you minus .... And I advise you not to think about the minuses and pluses ... Write what you think in your own words .. (even if it is clumsy ... this is the main thing .. and the main thing is to read the articles .. and think about it!)

    And what did I write in my own words ????? This is my repost from another site, by the way. If the method proposed by me seems incorrect to you - please write your arguments. Otherwise, it’s not a discussion - and so - they went out to smoke.

    Well, you’re ours for discussion .. Start ..! No complaints and insults .. Write ... we are waiting!
  38. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 13 December 2013 23: 57 New
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, you’re ours for discussion .. Start ..! No complaints and insults .. Write ... we are waiting!


    So I already wrote my thoughts on solving the problem of Afghan drug trafficking :)
  39. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 00: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Crocodilech
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, you’re ours for discussion .. Start ..! No complaints and insults .. Write ... we are waiting!


    So I already wrote my thoughts on solving the problem of Afghan drug trafficking :)

    Well, the flag is in your hands .. (and your thoughts are ours ..) Don’t make me angry .. I’m starting to yawn from you already ..
  40. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 14 December 2013 01: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Crocodilech
    So I already wrote my thoughts on solving the problem of Afghan drug trafficking :)
    So maybe you can write it off to the FSB? Maybe there, at your advice, they will review the actions of the FSB FS ... Maybe they will invite you to yourself ... LISTEN? ...
  41. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 14 December 2013 01: 34 New
    -2
    Quote: Clegg
    It is useless if we do not have a visa regime with them. Include Kazakhstan in the list.
    The Kazakhs ceased to exist for me after they drowned the monument to Yermak in Ertysh ...
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 14 December 2013 09: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Prapor-527
      The Kazakhs ceased to exist for me after they drowned the monument to Yermak in Ertysh ...

      Somehow violet
  42. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 01: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Crocodilech
    Normal drones must be developed, then there will be no problems with the Afghan drug trafficking.
    Having a drone capable of being in the air for dozens of hours and which can carry several tons of payload, it is possible to create a flotilla of drones that carry tanks with a reagent destroying opium poppy crops as a payload. Now imagine that there is a flotilla of several hundred such drones capable of refueling and herbicides in the air (a flotilla of other drones makes refueling in the air). We calmly send the flotilla to Afghanistan at night where it destroys all crops in a matter of months. If you process the field with poppy seeds in this way for a couple of years, then this business will simply bend or become very troublesome. I’m not even talking about the benefits of reducing drug trafficking - and so it is obvious. Yes, after several raids there will be attempts to shoot down (and some will probably bring down), there is an option - instead of direct pollination, use planning tanks that are dropped from a height of 15-18 km, flying up to the field such a tank will have a speed comparable to a cruise missile (it’s unrealistic to shoot down from Kalash - only a full-fledged air defense installation). Such a tank is blown up over the field and spraying the herbicide - the result is the same.

    To get the coordinates of the fields with opium poppy - one spit - everything is perfectly visible from satellites (different cultures have different "signatures" on space images).

    PS I'm not talking about the fact that this technology is useful in their own agriculture - for automatic pollination of fields (by the way, in Japan, unmanned helicopters are already in full use for this)

    It seems to me that today this approach is the most effective for solving Afghan drug trafficking.
    UAVs are most advantageous to base in Turkmenistan.

    PS. Just don't say that it is not real and more complicated than the Energia-Buran project

    I agree .. Where did you download ..? (You can not write ..) you understand the main thing ...
  43. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 14 December 2013 09: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Prapor-527
    So maybe you can write it off to the FSB? Maybe there, at your advice, they will review the actions of the FSB FS ... Maybe they will invite you to yourself ... LISTEN? ...

    The last year I have been in Russia, you yourself understand where they will send me, for example, at the embassy, ​​if I come to him. I don’t need the wheel-opener laurels (for any engineer who is interested in military equipment, this solution is obvious). Maybe the forum and who have access to our law enforcement agencies? It will be enough for me if this information gets where it is necessary and starts the necessary processes.
    Actually, that's why I wrote my thoughts here.
  44. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 14 December 2013 09: 54 New
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I agree .. Where did you download ..? (You can not write ..) you understand the main thing ...

    This is a repost of my message from the "doneunas.ru" forum, which I wrote there a few months ago in the topic about an attack drone.

    Another post from that topic:
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    According to the annual report of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, the area under cultivation of opium poppy in Afghanistan now exceeds the coca plantations in Colombia, Peru and Bolivia combined, and amounts to 193 000 ha
    (Wkipedia)
    ----------
    In 1964, the pilot of the Kiev special operations aviation division of the Ukrainian Civil Aviation Administration E.P. Salmin and his crew members (co-pilot A. Barysh, aircraft technician V. Sklyarenko and aircraft mechanic E. Protsenko) processed 2 thousand hectares of collective farm fields on An-73XX. Such production has not yet been achieved on any agricultural airplane in the world.
    -----------
    those. even with the technologies of 50 years' range, such areas could be processed by 2 corn farmers in a year.
    ================

    The conclusion is obvious - a flotilla of a couple of hundred drones will destroy almost all of the crops in one day. repeat the procedure for a couple of years, and Khan to this business.

    What surprises me is something else - haven’t anyone in the competent authorities considered the issue from this point of view ???
    Does anyone on the forum have access to these very competent authorities of the Russian Federation? If there is - throw the idea where you need it - all the technologies have been around for a long time - this is not a stealth and not a supersonic cruising flight mode, in fact - robotic agricultural planes.
  45. kair_kz
    kair_kz 14 December 2013 14: 35 New
    +1
    I read comments and I think it’s just how easy it is to quarrel nations that were just one people yesterday. sad