Landing on the Dnieper

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Landing on the DnieperIn the early evening of September 24, 1943, a column of German armored personnel carriers from the 73rd Motorized Infantry Regiment of the 19th moved near the village of Dudari (this is slightly south of Kiev) tank divisions. Armored personnel carriers walked from Kiev and hurried to the aid of their reconnaissance battalion, which fought heavy battles with the Red Army, which had seized a bridgehead on the left bank of the Dnieper River near the town of Veliky Bukrin the day before. The attention of the German troops was attracted by the growing rumble from the north aviation engines. It was a large formation of Soviet Lie-2 transport aircraft. Lights were burning inside the fuselages, and some aircraft illuminated the terrain below them with searchlights. Quite unexpectedly for the enemy, Soviet paratroopers began to land from the transport workers. But the landing took place in an area overcrowded with German troops, and the paratroopers, clearly visible against the background of the already night sky, found themselves under targeted, crossfire of German troops. Faced with powerful anti-aircraft barrage fire, Soviet aircraft began to climb chaotically, while continuing to land, which immediately led to a strong dispersal of the landing force. The fiery tracks of incendiary bullets and shells pierced through the canopies of parachutes, sewn from nylon and today already forgotten cotton fabric "percale". The parachutes instantly flashed and, like burning torches, fell down ... So the Dnieper airborne operation, the second in scale and the last major operation of this kind in stories Great Patriotic War.

Two years of war

Like the entire Red Army, the Soviet airborne troops went through a hard school in two years of war. Manned by well-trained personnel, the five airborne corps have already distinguished themselves in border battles, in the defense of Kiev and Moscow, and in August 29, 1941 became an independent branch of the armed forces. From January to June 1942, the reformed airborne units took part in the largest airborne operation in the Great Patriotic War, Vyazemskaya.

The heavy defeats of the summer of 1942 of the year forced the Soviet military-political leadership to use airborne troops as a strategic reserve, using them as usual rifle formations in the Caucasus and in the Stalingrad battle (for more details on this - “Little Brother”, No. 9, 2012. E. Muzrukov. "Stalingrad landing").

Convinced of the effectiveness and high combat capability of the airborne units, the Supreme Command headquarters already 16 August 1942 decided to re-create eight airborne corps and five airborne brigade maneuvers.

All autumn 1942, these units were formed in the Moscow region, which became a kind of base for the training of airborne troops during the entire period of the Great Patriotic War. In December 1942, these units were again reformed into ten Guards Airborne Divisions and transferred to the North-Western Front, where from March to May 1943 took part in the unsuccessful operation "Polar Star" under the leadership of Marshal S.K. Tymoshenko .

Brought into reserve and replenished in the spring of 1943, seven airborne divisions were deployed to the Kursk Bulge, which became part of the Steppe Front. In the Prokhorovka region, the warriors of the 9 Guards Airborne Division distinguished themselves. 11 July 1943, the division occupied the defense directly in the village, where during the day the paratroopers bravely fought, blocking the enemy's way to Kursk.

But considering the future offensive operations to liberate the occupied territory, the Soviet High Command nevertheless wanted to have in its hands a powerful airborne grouping, which was to form a revived and mobile strategic reserve of the Stavka. To this end, in April 1943, in the Moscow region, the formation of seven Guards airborne brigades began, to which in the summer, thirteen Guards brigades were assigned. The final date for combat training and forging new units was appointed 1 October 1943 year.

Guards brigades

From the very inception of the Russian airborne troops in the middle of the 30, they were particularly careful in their recruitment. In addition to the relevant physical data, pre-army parachute and rifle training, the standards of the TRP and Osoviahima and, of course, compulsory political literacy were taken into account. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the best of the best were selected for the troops. V. I. Chuikov, commander of the 62 Army, later recalled the decisive actions of the paratroopers in the battles for Stalingrad: “This is really a guard. People are all young, tall and healthy, many of them were dressed in the uniform of paratroopers, with daggers and finns on belts. They fought heroically. When attacked with a bayonet, the Nazis threw over themselves like sacks of straw. ” But all this selective personnel were turned into regular infantry in 1942, where they suffered heavy losses.

Now, in April 1943, it was decided to send cadets of the disbanded military schools, who were excellent human material in all respects, from the educational level to the physical condition, to the landing troops, or, as they said, "to Comrade Stalin’s personal reserve". Also, the brigades were replenished with personnel seamen of the Pacific fleet and physically fit volunteers who were trained under the supervision of Airborne Veteran Officers.

The fitness of future paratroopers, ex-students of 18 – 22 years, was checked by “scrolling” ten turns on a special chair. So the vestibular apparatus of recruits was tested.

Instilling direct landing skills, we began by studying the design of parachutes PD-41 and PD-6 and the rules for their installation. During the war, the main parachute of paratroopers was the parachute of the PD-41 brand, which has an almost square dome and an uneven distribution of lines along its edge. This created a certain keel on the trailing edge of the opened parachute, contributing to the dome turning in the wind. Well, and soon began training jumps from a parachute tower, then from an aerostat from a height of 400 – 700. After five jumps, they proceeded to land from Li-2 and TB-3 airplanes.

After the first jump, each fighter received a parachutist badge, and for the jump itself - 15 rubles. A paratrooper had to make at least eight jumps a year at different times of the day and in very different weather conditions, but the standards overlapped many times. Those who served in the battalions committed 15 – 20 jumps, and tank destroyers and gunners jumped 10 jumps. We jumped with two parachutes, the main one and the reserve, all equipment together with two parachutes weighed more than 45 kg, and before the landing airfield, as a rule, 15 – 20 km passed on foot.

They prepared paratroopers mainly for night operations, imitated assault and seizure of airfields and carrying out various sabotage actions in the rear. The fighters underwent intensive training in hand-to-hand and bayonet fighting, learned how to properly kill with a knife, remove sentries, capture languages, studied a disruptive job, got acquainted with a walkie-talkie. Were trained in throwing grenades, tagged shooting from personal weaponssniper rifle, not sparing ammunition at the shooting ranges and landfills.

The Guards airborne brigade of the 1943 model of the year numbered 3550 people and consisted of a brigade headquarters, four paratroop battalions, and an anti-tank battalion of two batteries; communications company, reconnaissance scooter, anti-aircraft machine-gun and sapper-blasting company. In each battalion (820 people) there were three parachute-rifle companies, a machine-gun and mortar companies, and a company of anti-tank guns. In total, the brigade was: 45-mm guns - 8 pcs .; 82-mm mortars - 24 pcs .; 50-mm mortars - 36 pcs .; Maxim machine guns - 48; machine guns DP - 132 pcs .; DShK - 12 units; PPS or PPSH - 976 pcs .; PTRS - 120 units; carbines - 2106 pcs. On the whole, it was a rather mobile unit, adapted in its organization and armament to a wide maneuver, an independent and long-lasting warfare in the enemy's rear, apart from its troops. Of particular note is the psychological training that the paratroopers received before disembarking in the enemy rear. Any operation of this kind by the majority of personnel was perceived as an inevitable and heroic sacrifice in the name of the Motherland and the common cause of victory over the enemy. The slogan “Marines do not surrender in captivity!” Did not become empty words. Very soon, many paratroopers confirmed these words in practice.

September forty third

In early September, 1943 of the year in connection with the rapid advance of the advanced units of the Soviet troops of the Voronezh Front in the Dnieper created favorable conditions for the use of large airborne assault forces in order to capture the bridgehead on the west bank of the Dnieper and to help the forces of our forces cross the river. The planning of the airborne operation was carried out by the operational control of the front and the operational group of the Airborne Forces headquarters, which arrived in early September at the headquarters of the Voronezh Front. For the airborne operation, 1-i, 3-i and 5-i separate airborne brigades were assigned, which were combined into an airborne corps, numbering about 10 thousand paratroopers, 24 anti-tank 45-mm guns, 180 mortar guns 82 caliber and 50 mm, 328 anti-tank guns and 540 machine guns and light machine guns under the command of the Deputy Commander of the Airborne Forces, Major-General I. I. Zatevakhin.

By September 17, the headquarters of the Voronezh Front had developed a sufficiently detailed plan of the operation, which provided for interaction with bomber and assault aircraft, as well as ground artillery, for which the liaison officers from these combat arms were supposed to be included in the landing force. The overall plan of the operation was reduced to the landing of the consolidated airborne corps, which was supposed to prevent the enemy troops from regrouping and the approach of its reserves when the forcing of the Dnieper was started by ground units of the Red Army.

Simultaneously with the landing in the bend of the Dnieper, the airborne operation in the Crimea was planned by three guards airborne brigades, whose task was to prevent the enemy forces from regrouping when the Crimean land bridge began to break through with the ground forces of the Red Army. In accordance with this plan, in September 1943, the 4-I, 6-I and 7-I Guards airborne brigades were consolidated into a consolidated corps and were under the operational control of the Southern Front. All responsibility for the preparation for the landing was assigned to the commander of the airborne forces, Major General A. G. Kapitokhin (who took this post only in June 1943), and directly for the landing, to the deputy commander of the ADD, Lieutenant General N. Skripko.

The aviation support of the landing force was carried out by the 2-I Air Army, Colonel-General S. A. Krakowski.

On September 19, the plan was approved by Marshall G.K. Zhukov, a representative of the Stavka, who had experience in conducting the Vyazma airborne operation in the winter of 1942. Marshal demanded maximum secrecy in the preparation and conduct of the operation. To this end, reconnaissance aviation flights to the area of ​​the forthcoming landing stopped, and it was decided to ground troops to report the operation only after the commencement of the landing.

The 150 IL-4 and B-25 "Mitchell" bomber from the 101-th ADD regiment under the command of the Hero of the Soviet Union were assigned for landing from long-range aviation. S. Grizodubova, as well as X-NUMX transport aircraft Li-180 and 2 gliders A-35 and G-7. The departure area for landing included Bogodukhovsky and Lebedinsky airfield sites. However, due to difficulties with rail transport in the newly liberated territories, up to 11 September, the brigades were in places of permanent deployment and were able to concentrate in the area of ​​Bogodukhovsky hub only by 17 September.

German intelligence was not asleep, and on the same day over the airfield Lebedin, the German plane dropped the following leaflets: “We are waiting for you! Fly in! We promise you a warm welcome! ”

But in the evening of September 22, the forward detachments of the 40 Army and 3 guards. tank army on improvised means crossed to the west bank of the Dnieper and fought in the areas of Rzhishchev, Trakomirov, Zarubensy, holding the bridgehead, later called Bukrinsky.

On the morning of September 23, Army General N. F. Vatutin arrived at the command post of the 40 Army. They reported to him that in the area of ​​the Bukrin bend, large enemy forces were not detected, and the army general, through the commander of the airborne troops, clarified the combat missions to the airborne assault forces. The purpose of the operation remained the same: to prevent the enemy's reserves from approaching the Bukrin bridgehead from the west, southwest, and south. To achieve this goal, the front commander ordered on the night of September 25 to land two guards. vdbr in the area north-west of Kanev and in the area of ​​the station Lazurna on the area 10 x14 km. The time has come for the actions of the "Dnieper landing".

Leap into hell

The acute shortage of time led to haste and confusion at the final stage of the preparation of the operation. Lining followed one after the other. The commanders had to assemble the brigade commanders and bring the task to them several hours before departure, and those, in turn, could only briefly instruct the fighters on the targets and tasks of the landing force on the aircraft. Further more: instead of 65 Li-2 transport aircraft for landing 5 guts. In-flight aviators were able to concentrate only 48. Moreover, it turned out that all the transport workers already with the “broken out” motor potential and their load-carrying capacity are less than planned according to the landing plan. This forced an extra redistribution of people and equipment on the available aircraft and caused a chain of serious mistakes that affected the organization of the command and control of the landing force already in battle. Whole headquarters 3 Guards. Vdbr was on board one aircraft, but without a single radio. Other aircraft were equipped with walkie-talkies (where 3, and where even 6), but without communications officers, who had radio codes. There were airplanes fully loaded by medical instructors and even ... a brigade orchestra. To crown it all, it turned out that there are not enough tankers at the six departure aerodromes and there simply isn’t enough aviation kerosene. The paratroopers had to run around the airfield in search of aircraft ready for departure.

As a result, on the night of September 25 1943 from all airfields starting from 18.30 Moscow time, 298 sorties were made and 4575 paratroopers and 690 containers were dropped. 3 has been fully planted. Vdbr and about half 5 Guards. vdbr (alas, completely without artillery and mortars), when the airfield finally ran out of fuel and about 30% of the landing force was left on the ground. But the most serious test was waiting for the paratroopers ahead.

Here, the order of Marshal Zhukov about the observance of "super-secrecy" played a fatal role. The absence of air reconnaissance for three days and the fact that the guerrillas and troop reconnaissance were not notified of the landing led to the secretive transfer of German command to the Bukrinsky bridgehead of the 3 infantry, motorized, 1 tank divisions. They were precisely in those areas in which the planned landing. As a result, Soviet paratroopers jumped on the heads of German soldiers and in the hatches of German tanks. Naturally, they were expected by a very “warm”, and most importantly, a completely unexpected reception for the paratroopers.

When approaching the landing area, Soviet aircraft fell under a very strong barrage of anti-aircraft guns and were forced to gain altitude, and from an altitude of 2 thousand meters to carry out an assault landing. And the spread of landing was 30 – 100 km, i.e., from Rzhishchev to Cherkasy. For example, the commander of the 5-th Guards Airborne Brigade, Lieutenant Colonel P. M. Sidorchuk landed in the Kanev Forest area, an hour later he met the soldier 3-th Guards Airborne Brigade, by the morning he had gathered five people and for eight days was searching for and gathered around him small groups of paratroopers. He met the officers and soldiers who jumped out of the same plane with him only on the ninth day after landing. We must honestly admit that this happened as a result of the lack of experience of landing in transport aircraft pilots. The following facts indicate a low level of pilot training: as a result of the loss of orientation of 13 aircraft, they did not find their landing areas and returned to airfields with paratroopers, the crew of one aircraft landed fighters right in the Dnieper, where everyone drowned, and 230 paratroopers led by deputy commander 5- In the rear, on the left bank of the Dnieper, lieutenant colonel M. B. Ratner. Places of landing fighters from several aircraft in general could not be established.

It is not difficult to imagine what hell the Soviet paratroopers had to go through that night and in the air that night. The future well-known film director Grigory Chukhray (at that time commander of a communications platoon) recalled this: “We were unlucky: we jumped out of aircraft in the sector of anti-aircraft fire. Before that, I had to sip a bit of a military leg: I was wounded twice, fought in Stalingrad. I had to fall to meet the glittering trails of bullets, through the flames of parachutes burning in the sky comrades, this has not yet experienced ... Once in the air, I did not understand anything at first: the fire was burning below. Burned peasant huts. In the light of the fires, the white domes of the parachutes were clearly visible against the dark sky. The Germans opened fire on the landing of monstrous power. Tracing bullets swarming around each of us. Many of our comrades died before they reached the ground. ”

A large number of rockets of different colors, both their own and the enemy, taking off from the ground, in landing areas, confused the signals set for collection, and the glow of fires and searchlights of the enemy illuminated people both in the air and after landing. The plane in which the 3 command was located was shot down on the approach, and the remaining paratroopers were divided into small groups because of the large variation in area, and more often singles, without any single command, were left to themselves and fought fiercely. In the evening of September 25, in the forest east of the village of Grushevo, an extremely stubborn battle was fought around 150 fighters from the 3 unit, and they all died heroically.

The Germans, meanwhile, were reporting to their command that by the evening of September 25 the 692 paratroopers had been destroyed and another 209 captured. Lt. Col. Binder of the German 19 Panzer Division later recalled: “Broken into small and very small groups, they were doomed. They tried to hide in narrow ravines, but very soon they were searched for, killed or taken prisoner. Among them, of course, were well-aimed arrows with steel nerves. Goldman’s company suffered heavy losses - most of them died from shots to the head. ”

In the rear of the enemy

By the morning of September 25, no one got out of contact with the landing force headquarters, and the front command sensibly decided to abandon the landing of the second echelon of the landing force. In the meantime, the surviving paratroopers only engaged in battle in the rear of the enemy. By the end of September 25, in various places of the vast region, completely isolated from each other, without any means of communication and heavy weapons, the 35 groups gathered together and launched combat operations, uniting 2300 people from the total number of airborne troops.

The German command launched a large anti-amphibious operation using aircraft, armored vehicles, ROA units, the Turkestan Legion, Cossacks and policemen. The landing party member M. Likhterman recalled: “The Germans drove us across the steppe and gradually exterminated them. The raids with dogs ... At first there were three of us, then a group of 12 paratroopers was formed. ... For three days in a row we fought our way through the shrinking ring of the pursuers, but it turned out that we were squeezed in a narrow area. Only four of them went through ravines. ”

The fighting went on for several days in a wide area in the rear of the enemy, while the paratroopers continued their attempts to find each other in order to unite. To a certain extent, these actions disorganized the enemy's supply routes and diverted a significant part of the enemy’s forces. On the night of September 30, in the area of ​​the village of Potok, a group led by Senior Lieutenant S.G. Petrosyan destroyed the headquarters of the enemy battalion and, before 180, soldiers and officers, 45 vehicles, 9 guns and 2 mortars.

The fact that the paratroopers hampered the Germans is testifying to the fact that the local population was promised a reward in 6 of thousands of occupation marks or a cow for any information about parachutists. But local residents and partisans helped the paratroopers in every possible way. Badly guards. Captain M. Sapozhnikov 14 of days together with the banner of the 3 Brigade hid in a haystack until the local residents were found by the Gaponenko brothers, who kept the banner and returned it to the 1944 part of the year. Only after 32, the brothers were awarded the medal "For Courage".

K 5 in October 1943 in the Kanev forest concentrated several separate groups of paratroopers (about 600 people), united by the commander of the 5 airborne brigade lieutenant colonel P. M. Sidorchuk into the airborne brigade of three battalions, engineer platoon, PTR platoon , reconnaissance and platoon communications. All this time, the front command tried to establish contact with the Sidorchuk paratroopers. On the night of September 28, three communication groups were parachuted, but they went missing, and the Po-2 aircraft sent during the day of reconnaissance was shot down to the front line. Only 6 of October in Kanev forest approached a group of signalers with a radio station, through which the first air communication with the 40 army was established.

The Germans relentlessly pursued the brigade, clutching the ring tighter, and Lieutenant-Colonel Sidorchuk made a decision: on October 13 to rush west to the Taganchansky forest away from the front line, 20 km north of Korsun. Here, the paratroopers received an order to go to the sabotage activities to disorganize the German rear, and they began to deliver food and ammunition to the air. The sabotage of the railway, the bombings of the bridges, attacks on the headquarters and the garrisons forced the German command to conduct the 23 of October, a major operation to clean up the Taganchansky forest with the support of tanks and armored personnel carriers. But the paratroopers again managed to escape from the enemy ring by ravines at night and, having made the 50-kilometer crossing, concentrated on October 26 in a forest west of Cherkasy.

At this point, the brigade consisted of about 1200 people, 12 heavy machine guns, 6 anti-tank guns. In the same area, there were guerrilla groups “For the Motherland”, “Name of Kotsyubinsky”, “Batya”, “Name of Chapaev”, “Fighter”, 720-th partisan detachment of the GRU GSH with a total number of more than 900 people. In addition to purely sabotage tasks, paratroopers and partisans carried out reconnaissance of the German defense system along the Dnieper for the headquarters of the 52 Army of the 2 of the Ukrainian Front.

From 13 to 28 in November 1943, part of the brigade with a sudden blow from the rear helped units of the 254 Infantry Division to force the Dnieper, seize and hold a bridgehead in Sidovok, Sekirna, Budyshche, repelling the enemy’s numerous attacks, including the Viking SS division. Here the commander of 2 pdb guv especially distinguished. Major A. A. Bluvshteyn. He was the first with his battalion to break into the village of Sidovok, and then for three days with only eight fighters held the village of Dubievka, repelling the numerous attacks of the Germans. In total, his battalion destroyed over one thousand soldiers and officers, 16 tanks, 104 vehicles, 2 aircraft, and 4 guns during the operations in the enemy rear. Gunner anti-gun gun gv. ml. Sergeant I.P. Kondratyev during a three-day battle near the same village Svidovok personally hit four tanks, two armored vehicles and three trucks with infantry, but was seriously wounded.

November 28 1943, part of the 5 Guards. Vdbr lost their positions 7 Guards. airborne divisions and were withdrawn to the reserve headquarters of the Supreme Command in the city of Kirzhach, Vladimir region. So, two months later, the Dnieper airborne operation ended ...

Bitter lesson

The price of the apparent incompetence of the leadership of the Airborne Forces and ADD and the headquarters of the 1 of the Ukrainian Front in preparing the operation turned out to be very high. As a result of the operation, more than 2,5 thousand paratroopers died and went missing. This is more than half of the personnel. We must also pay tribute to Stalin, who soberly assessed the result of the operation and called the perpetrators really in it: “I state that the first airborne landing conducted by the Voronezh font 24 of September failed, causing massive unnecessary casualties. It happened not only because of Comrade. Skripko (ADD), but also due to the fault of Comrade. Yuriev (G. K. Zhukov) and Comrade. Vatutin, who were to control the preparation and organization of the landing of the landing. The release of mass landing at night indicates the illiteracy of the organizers of this case, because, as experience shows, dropping a mass night landing even on its territory is fraught with great dangers. ”

Until the end of the war, the Soviet Airborne Forces did not undertake large airborne operations, finally turning into elite infantry. At the end of 1944, the main units of the Airborne Forces were transformed into the 9 Guards Army, which took part in the battles in Hungary, Austria and Czechoslovakia.

Nevertheless, in two months of operations in the enemy rear, the landing group was not destroyed and itself caused serious damage to the enemy. More than 3 thousand soldiers and officers, 15 echelons, 52 tanks, 6 aircraft, 250 vehicles were destroyed. The paratroopers showed courage, mass heroism and loyalty to military duty. Practically all the participants of the landing party were awarded with high government awards, and guards. Major A. A. Bluvshteynu, Art. Lieutenant S. G. Petrosyan and Jr. Sergeant I.P. Kondratiev was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. After the complete liberation of the landing area at the beginning of 1944, a special commission of the Airborne Forces headquarters worked on its territory, which in great detail restored and summarized information on the progress of the operation, its losses and miscalculations.

But the most eloquent testimony is German documents. Highlighting the poor training and organization of the landing force, they pay tribute to the heroism of the Soviet paratroopers. Here is how they were characterized in the report of the headquarters of the 8 of the German army on October 7 from the 1943 of the year: “The hunting dexterity of each individual fighter was an integral feature of the paratroopers. Their behavior in the most critical situations was exceptional. The wounded showed themselves particularly hardy and stubborn in battle, who, despite their injuries, continued to fight. Repeatedly the wounded blew themselves up with grenades to avoid captivity. It was especially difficult to find shelter places for troops. It has been repeatedly established that the enemy is perfectly camouflaged in ravines ... If our reconnaissance groups managed to find such shelter, the enemy tried to get rid of annoying observers without a single shot, shouts of "hurray" and noise. As soon as the main forces of the detachment were assembled, they put up stubborn, desperate resistance, using the minimum amount of ammunition. But even when the enemy had no ammunition, he defended himself with wild fanaticism. Each paratrooper was armed with a dagger, which he skillfully used. ” Undoubtedly, personal courage and readiness for self-sacrifice solved a great deal, but not all. In this case, we have to agree with the opinion of the chief marshal of artillery N. N. Voronov: “With great regret, I must say that we, the pioneers of the air assault, did not have reasonable plans to use it.”
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  1. +4
    21 December 2013 08: 16
    Hard lessons of the Great Patriotic War, the author well describes the heroism of our paratroopers, but maybe it's time to ask questions:
    - and why, so badly prepared parts, were used so inefficiently?
    - why, part of the personnel landed right on the position of the German troops, as a result, was destroyed without much benefit? Why was intelligence so poorly organized?
    - How was the preparation and provision of the landing itself carried out if some of the paratroopers were landed on our territory?
    In short, there are a lot of questions, I don’t even know when I will hear answers to them, complete and true ...
    1. +5
      21 December 2013 10: 31
      Quote: svp67
      In short, there are a lot of questions, I don’t even know when I will hear answers to them, complete and true ...

      Most likely you will not hear. The operation was organized by the "great commander" Zhukov, who considered himself a "master" in organizing amphibious operations. But all these "operations" ended in failure. After the landing described in the article, Stalin personally banned such a landing. Airborne divisions were reorganized into rifle units, which were distinguished by stamina and training.
      Glory to the paratroopers who have fulfilled their military duty to the end!
      1. +7
        21 December 2013 10: 42
        Quote: IRBIS
        The operation was organized by the "great commander" Zhukov

        Alas, under orders there are more signatures of VATUTIN, and this operation was carried out in the interests of his troops ...
        1. +4
          21 December 2013 10: 52
          Quote: svp67
          under orders more worth VATUTIN signatures

          Vatutin is Zhukov's "protégé". Zhukov, on the other hand, coordinated his actions, as a representative of the Headquarters and personally ordered the organization of the operation. Vatutin would have neither the strength nor the means to do this. Moreover, the airborne forces had central subordination.
      2. +2
        21 December 2013 19: 15
        IRBIS
        You are certainly right. But it is worth recalling that all, without exception, the large landing operations of all the warring countries at that time were accompanied by monstrous victims and rarely, when they brought at least any effect.
        The fact that the British in Crete were scared and surrendered many times smaller in number of German landing, which practically ran out of ammunition and had no heavy weapons - just a miracle that saved the Germans ... the British were more cowardly than the Germans themselves thought ... Hitler, Upon learning of the losses, he was furious and forbade such operations in the future.
        And allies? Everything is the same as with us ..... probably, the time for large landing operations has not come yet .... and now, I must admit, large landing is doomed to destruction ... and quite fast ... the only question is what he has time to do.
        1. 0
          23 December 2013 01: 06
          Quote: smile
          IRBIS
          You are certainly right. But it is worth recalling that all, without exception, the large landing operations of all the warring countries at that time were accompanied by monstrous victims and rarely, when they brought at least any effect.
          The fact that the British in Crete were scared and surrendered many times smaller in number of German landing, which practically ran out of ammunition and had no heavy weapons - just a miracle that saved the Germans ... the British were more cowardly than the Germans themselves thought ... Hitler, Upon learning of the losses, he was furious and forbade such operations in the future.
          And allies? Everything is the same as with us ..... probably, the time for large landing operations has not come yet .... and now, I must admit, large landing is doomed to destruction ... and quite fast ... the only question is what he has time to do.


          Well, as you say, the "allies" used VD quite successfully in Normandy, and of course - the crossing of the Rhine, during which all the experience gained earlier was confirmed with success.
          Although they had both failure (Husky) and disaster (Market Garden)
    2. Vidok
      0
      26 December 2013 21: 46
      Read the article again. There are answers there. At least your three questions.
      Quote: svp67
      - and why, so badly prepared parts, were used so inefficiently?
      “I note that the first airborne assault conducted by the Voronezh Font on September 24 failed, causing massive unnecessary casualties. This happened not only through the fault of Comrade. Skripko (ADD), but also due to the fault of Comrade Yuriev (G.K. Zhukov) and comrade Vatutina, who were supposed to control the preparation and organization of the landing.
      Quote: svp67
      - why, part of the personnel landed right on the position of the German troops, as a result, was destroyed without much benefit? Why was intelligence so poorly organized?
      Here, the order of Marshal Zhukov on the observance of “top-secret” played a fateful role. The absence of air reconnaissance for three days and the fact that the partisans and military intelligence were not informed about the landing led to the secret transfer of 3 infantry, motorized, 1 tank divisions to the Bukrinsky bridgehead area. They turned out to be exactly in those areas in which the landing was planned.
      Quote: svp67
      - How was the preparation and provision of the landing itself carried out if some of the paratroopers were landed on our territory?
      We must honestly admit that this happened as a result of the lack of experience in air transport pilots landing.
  2. avt
    +8
    21 December 2013 10: 41
    “I state that the first airborne assault conducted by the Voronezh fountain on September 24 failed, causing massive unnecessary casualties. This happened not only through the fault of Comrade. Skripko (ADD), but also through the fault of Comrade. Yuriev (G.K. Zhukova) and comrade. Vatutin, who were supposed to control the preparation and organization of the landing. The release of a mass landing at night testifies to the illiteracy of the organizers of this case, because, as experience shows, the release of a massive night landing even on its own territory is fraught with great dangers. "------------- request Nothing to add! They sold the landing, remembering the landing operation near Moscow, and here, they didn’t even bother to take into account the fact that the enemy opened the landing plan, hoping for a chance, I guess, but in the end .... Good article! + We must clearly remember the failures and their organizers, regardless from merit.
  3. +3
    21 December 2013 15: 22
    The famous film director Grigory Chukhrai participated in this operation. He described this episode in detail in his memoirs. But I can’t find them yet ...
    1. +4
      21 December 2013 16: 57
      Quote: retired
      The famous film director Grigory Chukhrai participated in this operation. He described this episode in detail in his memoirs. But I can’t find them yet ...

      And I met a war veteran, a participant in this operation, his glider crashed with his words, and he was the only one who survived, didn’t tell anything more, his rather gloomy grandfather was ...
  4. GastaClaus69
    +5
    21 December 2013 15: 44
    My great-grandfather died in this operation. Of his entire company, only one art. the sergeant was left without legs.
  5. Impich
    -12
    21 December 2013 17: 00
    I consider this landing a crime against humanity .. only the red-bellied wimps could utter this .. and with it not the first time ....
    1. +5
      21 December 2013 17: 04
      Quote: Impich
      only red-bellied little bastards could have uttered this .. and with it, not the first time ....

      You are full-term ours, and what is your belly of what color?
      1. Impich
        +1
        21 December 2013 19: 39
        I am a fan of the Great Russian Empire .. !!!
    2. +3
      21 December 2013 19: 19
      Impich
      What, again, the orderlies in your psychiatric hospital went out for a smoke break, and you managed to get to the computer? :))) Oh wait, hit them, put on a straitjacket and have to learn to knock the clave with their feet ... :)))
      1. Impich
        -4
        21 December 2013 19: 42
        what's wrong again??!!!! only our close-up red generals thought of throwing off the assault forces either to the wrong place, then directly to the heads of the Germans .... yes, by the way, we can also recall the assault of the cretin Zhukov directly to the location of the German tank divisions in the 41st ...
        1. +2
          21 December 2013 20: 43
          Impich
          And not so, rrrodnaya, that all generals, all armies. including the German ones, in Crete, did exactly the same.
          All, without exception, the large landing operations of the 2MB period ended in monstrous losses and, at best. only partial performance of a combat mission. Only in Crete, the Germans were lucky - from the landing, which almost ended with ammunition, she herself thought about surrendering, but the British surrendered first, although there were many more of them. Hitler, infuriated. Having learned about the size of the losses, banning all the major landing operations in general ... Although the German generals wanted ishsho ... :))))
          Ours, although still fighting, continued and inflicted serious, comparable to their losses on the Germans, unlike some ... therefore your angry cries are irrelevant and only reveal your complete ignorance of history, which you compensate for with stupid perestroika cliches.

          This is exactly what is wrong with you again. Excuse me - it’s just that your hatred of everything Soviet is overshadowing your mind.
          1. Impich
            0
            21 December 2013 21: 09
            about Crete, by the way, I agree .. no questions ... but everything seems to go wrong there due to the fact that they threw off weapons separately in containers ... just recently, by the way, I read about it all in the memoirs "death through telescopic sight" .. a sniper of paratroopers wrote .. by the way, then we can say about eben-emael .. like that, yes .. nothing even ours was lying around ... and probably never lays around ... read there that guy participated in his assault and everything is perfect described ... just yes, I hate commies and I sincerely believe that they brought only evil to our beloved Motherland, which by the way we are still trying to disentangle .. and I sincerely believe that the Soviet military school sucked ... and I always say to everyone .. during the First World War, our glorious warriors of the same German farther than Belarus and did not let in despite the voi komunyak about the lack of cartridges and shells ... and the damned red-bellied people reached the Great Volga despite 10 times superiority in forces and means !!!! and it is so ... !!!!
            1. alex_valent
              0
              21 December 2013 21: 47
              Well, who came to Berlin7
            2. avt
              +3
              21 December 2013 22: 52
              Quote: Impich
              and I always tell everyone .. during the First World War, our glorious warriors of the same German were not allowed to go further than Belarus

              Nothing that the Germans took Riga and almost the entire Baltic? Moreover, the Bolsheviks were not brought up in sealed wagons.
            3. +1
              21 December 2013 23: 06
              Impich
              The fact that you hate the Communists, I see ... it is this hatred that you brought up in yourself on anti-communist propaganda in perestroika and later (as well as on Khrushchev’s nonsense) that prevents you from evaluating them adequately ... you see, communists were never saints, but the vast majority of propaganda cliches are blatant lies, and those who generated this lie did not aim at communism, but namely at Russia ... therefore your patriotism is strange - you make up your mind about the communists. based on the opinion of the worst enemies of our country and Russophobia ... think for yourself ... which of you will be a patriot?
              I must admit that I don’t even put a minus to you now - your hand does not rise because of your honesty and the fact that you did not respond to my rather harsh statements ...
              And as for World War I, firstly, if the Germans would attack us and the whole of Europe would work for them, supporting them with resources and a five millionth army (this is the approximate number of non-Germans participating in the war on the side of the Germans only against us), then the imperial army only slurped .... without even blathering - if you remember, then the Germans delivered the main blow to France.

              During the Second World War, following the results of the war, we lost about the same number of soldiers as the Germans and their allies in battles with us, while the number of soldiers was also approximately equal. (If we exclude the intentionally destroyed our prisoners and those who died in our captivity for a decade of Germans)
              In WW1, all these indicators are not in favor of the imperial army.
              But the Bolsheviks were then negligible. First, the Empire was killed by liberals and democrats. and when the country agonized, the Bolsheviks took power ... like a drunken woman under a fence ... and saved .... in a bicker against all ...

              According to the results of the war, the Soviet military school was recognized as the best for that period. It was the strongest army of the planet precisely with its ability to fight.

              Hatred interferes with thinking ... choose at least sources of knowledge not among the agitation of terry Russophobes and enemies of our Motherland ... then your opinion will change.

              Good luck.
              1. Impich
                +1
                22 December 2013 13: 41
                Yes, unfortunately I forgot about this garden ... there the same monsters of thoughts agreed ...
                1. avt
                  +4
                  22 December 2013 14: 19
                  Quote: Impich
                  Yes, unfortunately I forgot about this garden ... there the same monsters of thoughts agreed ...

                  Regarding the landing in 1941, I recommend reading not the "research" of the Mlechino Svanidze rezunoids, but the memoirs of a direct participant in the battles - Starchak "From the sky into battle." He, even before the approach of Podolsk cadets with 200 paratroopers near Yukhnov, kept the Germans without artillery for 5 days ! And yet, all the same, think about how, with all the "inept" and "tyrants" the USSR did not raise its paws and lay on its back like a well-fed, democratic, completely packed France. And why, the "brilliant" officers of the Empire surrendered their Commander-in-Chief and carried out order No. 1 of the provisional government, practically without the Bolsheviks they destroyed the army. Here is how, in comparison with Order No. 227 of Stalin and its execution at all levels in the troops, the difference is very striking, only no need about the ubiquitous NKVD and the commandant's office barriers, called demshiza detachments with devoured machine gunners of the NKVD. I had a chance to talk with a veteran in the 70s, so to my question about them he simply said, “Yes, h ... we would have been stopped, we were front-line soldiers with weapons! "So, They fought for the Motherland" is much closer to the truth than all the cheap "Stalingrad" together with other crafts of our time.
                  1. Impich
                    -4
                    22 December 2013 19: 29
                    Quote: avt
                    , as with all the "inept" and "tyrants" of the USSR did not raise his paws and lay on his back like a well-fed, democratic, completely packed France

                    I think because everyone was stupidly zombified by the ideology of communism .. everyone who didn’t agree was wiped out and shot in the camp dust .. the whole country lived in fear, listen to the people of that time ... my grandmother lived in western Belarus ... when On the 39th, the red 50% came right there and drove to Siberia as unreliable .. they just all lived in fear .. who were against them long ago destroyed .. ideology completed the rest ... and by the way, read how many prisoners surrendered .. in my opinion there weren’t so many heavies in one of those worlds ... and as I read in my memoirs and according to the Germans themselves, they served honestly ... so I think it was an empire of fear and ideology .. i.e. brainwashing ... Well, the mustachioed pressed even pity .. like the fatherland is in danger .. but he said something like a scoundrel .. brothers and sisters .. my relatives .. pah slobber .. where he was until the 2nd day .. crap crap in the country and waited for arrest in vomit wallowing Judas ... and why the country didn’t give up .. as far as I heard then the mustachioed at 42 probed the soil on account of the agreement on the world ... and still did not give up because the Yankees were not interested in this and all this Anglo-Saxon scum ... they stupidly did not let it fall ... and what can I say .. Hitler could physically conquer the whole USSR .... but the frogmen had nowhere to run and it was ... by the way, Hitler never occupied France ... what else .. oh yes, I almost forgot .. Zhukov’s unforgettable decree on executions of the families of the captured .. our great degenerate Zhukov came up with such a thing that even the cannibal cannibal froze and he forbade to do this ... in short, in short, that's why they did not give up ...
                    1. avt
                      0
                      22 December 2013 21: 03
                      Quote: Impich
                      but he said something like a scoundrel .. brothers and sisters .. my relatives .. pah slobber .. where I was before the 2nd day .. crap in the country and waited for arrest in a vomit wallowing Judas ... and why the country did not give up.

                      The brain must be turned on and use the facts, and not the anecdotes of the times of Khrushch, that for the eldest son he settled scores with Stalin and his friend Mikoyan, who gave his son to Kuznetsov's daughter, but did not guess, he burned out in the Leningrad case, when he felt like heir Stalin and climbed where it is not necessary, by the way, not all "Leningraders" are one size fits all, Kosygin is an equal figure, no one touched. Stalin worked quite well, as evidenced by both the participants in the events and the visit logs. So even the most stubborn liberoids do not carry this nonsense.
                      Quote: Impich
                      Zhukov’s unforgettable decree on the executions of families captured .. our great beetle degenerate came up with this,

                      The specific number of the order for the Red Army and the number. Again, there is nothing but Goebel's propaganda repeated by "human rights" liberoids.
                      Quote: Impich
                      as far as I have heard, the mustachioed at 42 probed the ground at the expense of the peace treaty ...

                      Yes, Sudoplatov and Kobulov did this work through the Bulgarian ambassador. And what? What is so terrible and surprising in that they tried by any means to alleviate the situation of the country!? Special services have always dealt with such contacts, the Germans and Americans in 44-45, for example, the game is a game.
                      Quote: Impich
                      the whole country lived in fear, listen to the people of that time ... my grandmother lived in western Belarus ... when in the 39th the red 50% came there and immediately drove to Siberia as unreliable ..

                      So what ? Granny went on the stage? My great-grandfather didn’t enter the collective farm, but he gave the farm and lived in peace, his sons went to the front out of fear, not at gunpoint of the NKVD, but five remained, one returned, but his relative, who was dispossessed by force, went to ELEPHANT I got with my wife, my wife returned, and so here jokes about the fact that they lived by one fear I do not need to rub.
                      1. Impich
                        0
                        23 December 2013 13: 20
                        However, among the huge number of archival documents confirming Zhukov's organizational talent, his ability to determine the main direction in solving the task as soon as possible, there is an order he signed, which, by its absurd cruelty, has no analogues. On the report, in which it is reported that there are cases when fighters-defenders of the city surrender, he writes an order, which is immediately transmitted by radiogram to the command of the Baltic Fleet and the armies of the Leningrad Front. Here is the text of this order: “The soldiers who surrendered are to be executed upon return. Families who surrendered to the enemy to track down and shoot ... "

                        This order was received by the troops on September 28, 1941, 5 days after Zhukov was appointed commander of the Leningrad Front. Even by the standards of severe wartime, the shooting of not only prisoners, but also members of their families, that is, innocent children and women, sometimes thousands of kilometers from besieged Leningrad. That was too much. The shock in the troops was so great that the political administration of the Baltic Fleet took an unprecedented step. Nevertheless, it was decided to soften Zhukov’s order. The order was corrected. Only shoot upon return and only those who surrendered, and their families still do not touch.

                        The enormity of this document struck even Stalin.

                        Read more: http://rolershar.ru/marshal-zhukov-ch-3-oborona-moskvy-i-leningrada/#ixzz2oHv7No
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                    3. 0
                      23 December 2013 16: 07
                      My father was born in the Brest region, he and my grandmother never told about the horrors that you are painting here, and this despite the fact that my grandfather served in the Polish cavalry and participated in an equestrian attack on German tanks in 39. He survived because the headmaster shouted to them: “Slap them, they’re their mother’s curb,” Died in 1948 due to a severe wound to the chest, by Belarusian standards he was a non-poor man, 7 hectares of arable land, 28 hectares of timber, none of him, he didn’t turn a family into camp dust. Babka, by the way, talked about partisans, they shared among them “western” and “eastern”. Western ones were their own, bandits were bandits, they behaved worse than policemen, they only ate moonshine. And these eastern from the encirclement, if they came at night no one saw or heard them, but they really fought with the Germans. Such things, read less horror stories at night.
            4. +3
              22 December 2013 15: 49
              Quote: Impich
              and the damned red-bellied ones even reached the Great Volga, despite 10-fold superiority in forces and means !!!! and it is so ... !!!!

              Until 1943, there was no one and a half superiority in forces and means. You already lie, but do not lie. Even near Moscow, where the Germans were defeated, they had an advantage in everything except aviation.
              Where does the "10x superiority" come from, mister chatterbox? The population of the USSR at the beginning of the war was 190 million (including the Baltics and western Ukraine, which should be counted on the other side), and the population of Germany and its allies - 170 million (not counting the occupied territories). Why are you lying all the time? Have you ever been ashamed?
        2. avt
          +4
          21 December 2013 22: 48
          Quote: Impich
          ! only our close-up red generals thought of throwing off the assault forces either to the wrong place, then directly to the heads of the Germans .... yes, by the way, we can also recall the assault of the cretin Zhukov directly to the location of the German tank divisions in the 41st ...

          My friend, when you take a sedative, then look at the operation of the allies "Garden" and where Montgomery threw his own and how many of them returned from there after they fell on the head of the 6th SS Panzer Army. Look at the Cretan operation of the Germans and the number of their losses. .... judging by the "righteous anger", not in the horse feed, but still. Maybe the brain has not yet atrophied and there is hope for knowledge in comparison and more logical conclusions based on the results of comprehension?
        3. 0
          23 December 2013 01: 08
          Quote: Impich
          what's wrong again??!!!! only our close-up red generals thought of throwing off the assault forces either to the wrong place, then directly to the heads of the Germans .... yes, by the way, we can also recall the assault of the cretin Zhukov directly to the location of the German tank divisions in the 41st ...


          Hmm ... well, BL Montgomery was just as short-sighted - just take an interest in the course, outcome and reasons for this in Market Garden operation. The landing was right on the head of the SS Panzer Corps
        4. Vidok
          0
          26 December 2013 23: 24
          You, sir, climb, pliz, google and read about the airborne operations in general for the second world war. And when you get fit then sum up and, without unnecessarily great empire pathos, draw conclusions about the percentage of success of such events on the part of all the countries participating in that war.
      2. +3
        21 December 2013 20: 13
        Quote: smile
        wait, hit them, put on a straitjacket and have to learn to knock the clave with your feet ...:

        stop No half measures! Feet lock too. Yes Look, let them learn ... Good evening, Vova! hi How does the 4 run go? wink
        1. +1
          21 December 2013 20: 52
          pensioner
          Good evening, Yuri! And what is the 4th call? In the face of strong opposition from the layered enemy air defense, performing a tricky anti-aircraft maneuver, our attack aircraft, chewing the first air defense system, suppressing the enemy firing points with suppression groups, stubbornly breaks into the enemy’s oil fields .... the enemy aviation practically does not counteract, pressed to the ground ... .vse as always ... :))) The garden - the flower - the oil fields - burn! :)))
      3. +2
        22 December 2013 14: 38
        laughing An exhaustive answer!
    3. +4
      21 December 2013 19: 51
      Quote: Impich
      I consider this landing a crime against humanity .. only the red-bellied wimps could utter this .. and with it not the first time ....

      What are you saying? And the failure and huge losses of the British and Polish paratroopers during the capture of the crossings across Arnhem in 1944, of course, can only be explained by the fact that only "bourgeois mischief-makers could handle this"?
  6. tooth46
    +1
    21 December 2013 17: 30
    And then there are nonsense? There is a concept - military necessity. There was a task and it was subject to execution. Another question is the organization of the release itself. Communicated with fathers who survived (a rarity) in this operation, and in earlier ones. They scolded strongly, first of all, for the pilots who were in a hurry to throw them as soon as possible overboard, regardless of coordinates and return to their base. Hence a large spread in area, among other overlays. If the guys landed compactly, as intended, then most likely there would not have been all these horrors. Grandfathers in private conversations rested on the fact that they survived mostly the most hardy, able to move quickly for several days. This is where the main method of training the paratrooper eagles in Soviet times came from - developing the ability of a f / c to cover on foot distances beyond the limits of generally accepted human capabilities.
    1. 0
      23 December 2013 16: 33
      I once had a book about my Lisovoy, I don’t remember exactly about paratroopers, so he talked in it as a joke about the deployment of an airborne group near Moscow. In general, the group successfully landed, gathered in the forest, ambushed near the road, captured grandfather they asked on a cart: “Grandfather, there are Germans in the village,” He looked at them in surprise and said: “Guys, what kind of Germans? Are you in the Vologda Oblast?” The equipment was primitive, the paratroopers were lightly armed and could carry out their tasks under conditions complete demoralization of the enemy, as it was during the conditions of the Red Army’s campaign in Bessarabia in 1940, when the enemy escaped and the same Zhukov successfully carried out an airborne operation to seize bridges across the Prut, the Germans also dropped their assault forces in the 41st in the conditions of rear demoralization The Red Army, they successfully acted. But when the enemy was not broken, the large landings of all the warring armies ended, as a rule, with one defeat. And the genius of the generals who carried out their roles did not play much, too many unknowns, the enemy always and it can pull up tanks, motorized infantry into the area of ​​airborne landing, cover it with aviation, and it will not be enough courage with a machine gun and a grenade against them.
  7. alex_valent
    -5
    21 December 2013 19: 05
    only the red-bellied wimps could utter this .. and with it, not the first time ....
  8. alex_valent
    0
    21 December 2013 19: 06
    and how many successful landings were during the 2nd world?
    1. +1
      21 December 2013 19: 58
      I will say briefly - Not enough! .... To my great regret!
    2. 0
      23 December 2013 01: 22
      Quote: alex_valent
      and how many successful landings were during the 2nd world?


      Eben-Emael, Dutch operation, Norwegian operation, Crete, Normandy, Maas Rhine operation.
      On Celebes, Pelembang, Timor, the Japanese landed successfully.
      Well, our Harbino-Girin landing operation in 1945, but it’s true against the enemy who had already been treated by the emperor’s order of surrender.
      The rest is a trifle such as special operations or raids.
  9. alex_valent
    +3
    21 December 2013 20: 23
    landing and now the risk and again the risk. and in times of 2, the global risk was twofold. Successful landing assaults were miscalculated once or twice. no heavy weapons. but we have emissions in the mantle. and this is generally a fairy tale!
  10. +3
    21 December 2013 21: 48
    In fact, the Airborne Forces are very problematic troops ... Well, let’s say, we will collect ALL transport aircraft of the Russian Air Force, let’s break a corridor into the enemy’s air defense for some very limited time and drop one Airborne Division behind enemy lines! And then what? We get a light infantry division in a deep environment, against which the enemy will drop all the heavy weapons that he has. And how to supply it? And how to take out the wounded? The air defense corridor has long been reliably closed!
  11. +1
    21 December 2013 21: 57
    Quote: serezhafili
    In fact, the Airborne Forces are very problematic troops ... Well, let’s say, we will collect ALL transport aircraft of the Russian Air Force, let’s break a corridor into the enemy’s air defense for some very limited time and drop one Airborne Division behind enemy lines! And then what? We get a light infantry division in a deep environment, against which the enemy will drop all the heavy weapons that he has. And how to supply it? And how to take out the wounded? The air defense corridor has long been reliably closed!

    Therefore, the landings, such as today in all armies or mass airmobiles to the nearest enemy rear, or a tactical landing as small as possible with small forces, for the destruction of particularly important objects, such as headquarters, hoards with fuels and lubricants or ammunition, abandoned strategic ones due to unjustified losses to the executed tasks.
    1. +2
      21 December 2013 22: 24
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      from strategic abandoned due to unjustified losses to the tasks performed.

      It is no coincidence that after Crete the Germans did not plan large VD operations. The German General Staffists were disappointed that the soldiers and officers who needed to be trained the longest and the most expensive, they were killed the fastest. Although Crete had the best conditions for using paratroopers:
      1) Limited operational area.
      2) The inability for the British to pull up reinforcements.
      3) The weakness of the British in heavy weapons.
      4) The mountainous terrain is more favorable for special forces than for ordinary infantry.
      5) The absolute superiority of the Germans in the air.
      Nevertheless, the Germans decided no longer to take risks, even in the summer of 1941, when everything went smoothly.
  12. Volkhov
    -5
    22 December 2013 02: 57
    Zhukov is a great commander, and in this operation he won one of many victories - it was not for nothing that he had a monument on the corner of the Kremlin. From his youth, Zhukov fought with the Russian people under the leadership of Zionism and in alliance with the 3rd Reich, and in this case he achieved the maximum possible loss among the best - for that is a monument.
    The RSFSR, the USSR, and the Russian Federation are structures for exterminating Russians and replacing the population with other peoples and Zhukov is most effective in this matter, while other past and present are only trying to catch up with the leader.
    1. +2
      22 December 2013 14: 43
      As for Zionism: read the article carefully!
      1. Volkhov
        -3
        22 December 2013 15: 19
        The same scheme is still working - in Syria, the command of battalions of "rebels" from Israeli retirees, commissars - Wakhabites, company command, commandant's office - Chechens, technical specialists, low-level commanders and trained infantry - Russian, engineer construction battalion - Asians. The Russians have the privilege of burning for the sake of secrecy, and this is a fairly large percentage of the "rebels" losses. When alive, they wear masks - the rest have nothing to be ashamed of.
        1. +1
          23 December 2013 01: 24
          Quote: Volkhov
          The same scheme is still working - in Syria, the command of battalions of "rebels" from Israeli retirees, commissars - Wakhabites, company command, commandant's office - Chechens, technical specialists, low-level commanders and trained infantry - Russian, engineer construction battalion - Asians. The Russians have the privilege of burning for the sake of secrecy, and this is a fairly large percentage of the "rebels" losses. When alive, they wear masks - the rest have nothing to be ashamed of.


          In my opinion, the result of an independent refusal to take haloperidol is on the face laughing

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