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Unforgivable mistake of Dmitry Kiselev on events in Ukraine

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Unforgivable mistake of Dmitry Kiselev on events in Ukraine



Ukraine is in the midst of an information war for the minds. Each phrase is snapped up for quotes. Almost all central TV channels of Ukraine and even partially Russian-speaking Inter and TRK Ukraina took the side of “euro-mates” with different fanaticism. Ukrainian journalists are already in the western regions chasing the soldiers-conscripts of the internal troops (who are being sent to Kiev), so that they will come to the camera to say that they will not disperse the Maidan and carry out criminal orders, read here. A "New Channel" went even further, launched a blonde with a red glamorous bow through the ranks of the siloviki, so that she seduced with tea, sandwiches and questions about, they say, why they do not go over to the Maidan? Only regional and provincial TV companies in the south-east of the country and some Internet resources and organizations provide resistance to American information technologies on the territory of Ukraine. It is logical and justified that the falling flag of counter-propaganda from Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians is picked up by the Russian media. Until recently, they coped with it perfectly. Nothing needs to be thought out and something to prove, because the fact that the Deputy State Department of the United States, Victoria Nuland, walks around the Maidan with the US ambassador and distributes patties to Ukrainian police in a cordon, does not need any special comments. It shows the whole world! But recently (unfortunately for myself as a supporter of the CU and friendship with Russia), I noticed that Dmitry Kiselev made a grave mistake on the Russia 1 channel - on the Vesti Nedeli program on Sunday. As a result, liberals and nationalists choked in the bile: “Russian TV channels are brainwashing their citizens!” And so on.

It is a question of About the plot from 08.12.13, we look from 01: 12 to 5: 00 a minute is mandatory:



If you cut these first 5 minutes from the plot of Kiselyov, then you can safely give him a rating of 5+ for objectivity. But all the salt, tragedy and drama of the plot unfolded in this five-minute period, as a result of which all the TS supporters had, sorry for being rude, to put their tongue in w ... y. For those who do not understand what I’m talking about, I’ll explain: in the story, Dmitry Kiselyov confidently indicates that at first there was a pogrom near the presidential administration of Ukraine, where Ukrainian policemen suffered, and the next day, evil cops beat up poor students on the Maidan, whom they set up opposition. Thus, November 30 and December 1 were swapped. On the site "Military Review", many follow the events in Ukraine, so even on this resource in the archive News You can see a completely different chronology. Why not Dmitry Kiselyov to cover such aspects:

- Who and why from the opposition on Friday / Saturday 30 November left students without people's deputies and cover?

- Who gave the order to "Berkut" to clean up the Maidan from unfortunate 30-ti students, thereby blowing up Kiev and taking it to the streets?

- Who then shot the head of the Kiev "Berkut"?

- Why the next day, the head of the presidential administration of Ukraine plays up to the opposition by weakening the security of the office in the form of 18-summer conscripts?

Instead, Kiselev - like a god - decided to change dates and events in some places. And this is despite the fact that today there is an information society in the yard. Didn't even his fellow journalists notice that? Did he think that the opponents of the vehicle would not notice it?

I don’t know how in the territory of the Russian Federation, but if I go to “YouTube” from the territory of Ukraine as of 11 December, the plot of Kiselev’s is in the main window called "Dmitry Kiselev about the dispersal of the Maidan and Vitali Klitschko." Thus, the West makes it clear to the citizens of Ukraine, they say, this is how the Russian media zombies their people! Why Dmitry Kiselev changed the chronology, I do not understand. I wanted to keep in depth the depths of Russia? So people have never been there and will not be "hamsters." And the "belolentochniki" of Russia, and so with the help of the Internet and other TV, as well as living people from Ukraine, it seems they know who, when and who started the first to "soak." It would be better if this plot commented on Starikov or even Fedorov, really. As a result, Kiselev's report scored a record number of anti-likes, and in the orange message “Russian media are lying about events in UkraineBreathed new life. It's sad, because this blow fell precisely on the supporters of the “Russian World” in Ukraine ...

In general, if you take out these 5 minutes for the brackets, then the plot is excellent. What only is a hidden shot nationalist Tyagnibok, where he long before the Maidan frankly admits that in support of Klitschko and Yatsenyuk go for the money. And about the photo session of the Klitschko brothers for the German homosexual magazine "Max" in 2007, and can not speak. But all this crosses the castling of December 1 events with the events of the night of November 30. This is unforgivable in the 21st century, where everything is checked at the household level and checked by the residents of the country where this devil's Sabbath occurs in real time. So it seems that not only the Ukrainian elite play in the giveaway with the West ... How else can you explain the efficiency of “YouTube”? Let me remind you that when entering the “Recommended Videos” page, regardless of the account and interests of the user, Kiselev’s story is almost a third of the screen. I’m almost sure on 100%, if there wasn’t a hoax with dates, then only the supporters of the CU and the fighters of the Internet militia would spread this report to convey the truth about the dangers of association with the EU.


A major US State Department official, Victoria Nuland, with the American ambassador, feels at home in Kiev.


Historical reference: On the night from Friday to Saturday (from 29 to 30 in November), for some reason, not only opposition leaders, but also people's deputies who have immunity leave the Maidan. On the square, according to various estimates, from 30 to 80 students and many journalists remain. After some time, the “Berkut” appears, which was previously called either “Crimean”, or, if you refer to the civilian network “OPORA” in Ukraine (attention, we do not laugh), disguised as Russian special forces who flew by airplanes. "Golden Eagle" begins to crush everything and crush everything. Naturally, the area is promptly and very roughly cleaned - under the flashes of television and cameras. The next day, the whole of Kiev comes out, and on Sunday, December 1 just begin to unfold events near the presidential administration. The head office of the President of Ukraine demonstratively and on the front line are guarded by 18-summer conscripts of the internal troops of Ukraine. They are defiantly, brutally and brazenly attacking nationalists of all stripes, from Freedom to Korczynski. The tractor is involved in the show, which, as you know, was used in many other revolutions of civil disobedience in the world. Even fotozhaby appear on the network. Soon comes into action "Berkut", which delays bullies. But the next day, the whole country, in the best Hollywood tradition, finds out that the detainees are for some reason middle-aged and older people. Here is the wife and mother of three children crying in front of the cameras that detained the sole breadwinner, husband, trucker, and the next day everyone excitedly discusses the bloody regime on the buses, and who mentally and who physically join the sabbath.

And spin doctors work beautifully, devils:

The mother of three children was left without a breadwinner: he is being convicted for resisting the "Golden Eagle".

Fool it is clear that the "Berkut" tied onlookers and evroormantiki with Maidan, and not the militants. But why and for what purpose was it done? There is a primitive liberal answer: “In order to intimidate society and not allow sprouts of civic activity to rise. But for some reason I think that Western political consultants not only manage news agencies in Ukraine, but also, perhaps, indirectly, departments. Looking at how the Victoria Nuland jeep cuts through the snow-covered government quarters of Kiev through the police cordons, I understand that we are occupied. So, in the near future there will be more Hollywood pictures. I only want one thing: that the Russian media would not play up to the subtle American poker, but play chess.

Conclusion: I don’t know from which hangover Mr. Kiselyov so openly and clearly changed the chronology for the viewer. Let's call a spade a spade: he went to the deception. And the blow fell on the Russian audience in Ukraine. It is a fact! Euromaidans have an iron argument in discussions at work, at school and among Russian-speaking friends.

- Vasya, well, you should agree, at first “Berkut” beat the children at night on Friday, and only then the scuffle at the prezik on Sunday, eh? We still discussed with you on Saturday at the godfather?
- Well, there is.
- And you think there is justice and truth in Russia? And you still did not believe me that they throw Belarus on the CU on a number of goods?
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  1. Civil
    Civil 13 December 2013 07: 29 New
    +7
    Forcibly sweet you will not, divide ....
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 13 December 2013 07: 55 New
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      Russia, as always, is losing the information war for Ukraine ..
      In the information space, we are like an "elephant in a china shop" .. Well, no matter our teachers are good, we will arrange a global PR campaign
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 08: 09 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Russia, as always, is losing the information war for Ukraine ..

        But sho we should lose if the Ukrainians blame that Russia is lying. Well, let them go to Maidan and haul buns from Nuland. Yes, judging by the pictures that come after 1 minute, there are guys with yellow bandages on their sleeves walks around? In any case, who are the Euro-idans are not visible only to the blind.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 13 December 2013 08: 13 New
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          Why is Nevsky broadcasting the Jesuit Bandera demagogy here? What difference does it make when it was? Did Kiselev say a lie somewhere? No, Kiselev’s information is not in doubt. The problem, it turns out, is that he gave it wrong (!).

          And from this information it follows that, in any case, there is no justification for the Maidan thugs and rebels for American and European money driving Ukraine into further enslavement to the European and American masters.

          I remember that when joining the WTO, supporters had exactly the same argument. Only then was Yushchenko orange, who without hesitation and just like now without bargaining the terms of the contract document drove Ukraine there. Last year, this WTO cost Ukraine minus 10 billion euros. An amount equal to a quarter (!) Of the Ukrainian annual budget. Does anyone understand this in Ukraine?
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 13 December 2013 08: 32 New
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            And, by the way, Belarus is woven neither to the village nor to the city. Guys, you are Jesuit in Ukraine, saying that Russia is much better than Ukraine just because it has oil and gas. Then look at Belarus. It does not have oil or gas, which Ukraine still has its own, "tilki malenko." There is no iron ore, no coal, no other minerals, only potassium. There are no chernozems and gorgeous weather, but only more northern swamps. Why are you living much worse than your father? Are you better treated or taught? Maybe you are better protected from arbitrariness? Maybe you have more freedom or less corruption?

            True, But father adheres to the opposite philosophy. In response to the Eurogays represented by the same Wasterwell, he directly said verbatim that he was better to be a dictator than d. (I apologize for father, you won’t erase words from the song).
            1. uhjpysq1
              uhjpysq1 13 December 2013 09: 02 New
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              why they live in Belarus better than in Ukraine.) but the people there are completely different, without empty ambition. modest people and workers there.
              1. AVV
                AVV 13 December 2013 11: 00 New
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                Why does Ukraine believe that they should all, they should deal with Euromaidan, they should sell gas for 3 kopecks, they should provide work, not only the east, but also the west of Ukraine, they should give loans for Eurointegration !!! But according to the law of conservation of energy, neither that doesn’t appear for free, and you will have to pay dearly for Eurointegration !!! Pay with your independence, pay with the destruction of your production potential, pay your future children !!! Forward, no one pulls you forcibly !!! This is your choice !!!
            2. evgenm55
              evgenm55 13 December 2013 12: 12 New
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              He washed, washed ... Only for some reason it seems to me that they don’t read such sites, and they would have erased their teeth before the gums.
            3. DMB87
              DMB87 13 December 2013 15: 32 New
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              Lukashenko on the need to listen to the words of European functionaries. Very relevant in connection with what is happening in Ukraine.

              1. morpex
                morpex 13 December 2013 19: 20 New
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                Quote: DMB87
                Lukashenko on the need to listen to the words of European functionaries. Very relevant in connection with what is happening in Ukraine.

                Concisely. Capacitively. And the main thing is all right. Respect to the peasant. hi
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          2. Egoza
            Egoza 13 December 2013 08: 53 New
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            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Does anyone understand this in Ukraine?

            Not! Do not understand!
            An interesting look of a Polish professor teaching in Z. Ukraine about the views of his students on the association.
            On Friday, I returned from Western Ukraine. I conduct classes with students there. Of course, we discussed their country's EU suction.
            Why do they want in the EU? - Visa-free regime. Everyone emphasized this. And this is a strong argument.
            What are their economic expectations after joining? - earn more.
            They disbelieved my explanations that the EU will not increase their wages.
            What are the expectations for infrastructure? - repair roads.
            They could not even think that, in the end, they themselves could fix them.
            What are their political expectations? - dismiss Yanukovych!
            Who should replace him - the group did not come to a consensus (in the discussion the names fell: Kuchma, Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and even Klitschko).
            None of my students agreed to pay more for anything after joining the EU, including gas and gas.
            After thirty minutes, the Euro enthusiasm of young people from Western Ukraine was significantly weakened, but there was still more - visas.
            It was also interesting to argue the answer to the question: why should I exchange Yanukovych for someone else? - He does not want to be in the EU.
            It turns out that if the EU lifted the visa regime for Ukrainians, President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych could continue to rule.
            A complete, unpleasant surprise for them was the information that Germany and France were really not welcome in the EU.
            More surprising was the news that the European Union could cancel their visas without the need to join it - as canceled by many non-EU countries.
            Following this logic, the Poles with 1989 had to overthrow every government because we still need visas to enter the United States.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 13 December 2013 08: 58 New
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              (Continued)
              In Poland, the attitude towards Ukrainian accession to the EU is even less clear. What is our biggest problem? - Unemployment.
              Again it has grown and currently stands at 13,3%. It is for this reason that several million Poles are working abroad.
              Or after Ukraine joins the EU in Poland unemployment will decrease? - Of course not! Will increase!
              Can the situation of our compatriots in the EU labor markets improve then? Of course not!
              It will only get worse: it will be harder to find a job and pay rates will drop.
              Will Poland lose its position as the main beneficiary of EU assistance? Definitely yes!
              The amount of labor will simply increase ...
              So why do we want Ukraine to join the EU? - To tear it out of the "paws of Russia." But why?
              In the end, we do not need it? To annoy the Russians! And why? Yes because!
              Cyprian Darchevski is a Polish publicist for the Voice of Russia radio in Poland.
              Source reference
              http://www.polska-ka...1-polandukraine
              1. Fin
                Fin 13 December 2013 10: 02 New
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                Quote: Egoza
                In Poland, the attitude towards Ukrainian accession to the EU is even less clear.

                They need it in order to feel higher in moral terms. And the Polish plumbers, the servant all left to the west, we need qualified people from Ukraine.
                From the Politicus website about the attitude towards Ukrainians:
                During a morning program on the Polish radio station "Eska Rock FM", two leading Cubans, Voevudski and Michal Figurski, began criticizing the Ukrainian team for playing against England.
                "Voevudsky: Do you know what I did yesterday after the match with Ukraine?"
                Figursky: What?
                Voevudsky: I acted like a real Pole ...
                Figursky: Did you dig a dog?
                Voevudsky: No, I kicked my Ukrainian out (laughter)
                Figurous (laughter): And this is a good idea (laughter). It has not occurred to me yet. You know? I won’t pay her out of anger today.
                Voevudsky: You know what, but I will take mine back, take her money and drive it out again (laughter)
                Figursky: I’ll tell you that if mine were even a little prettier, I would still have raped her.
                Voevudsky: Yeah .. I don't know what mine looks like because she's on her knees all the time (laughter). "
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 13 December 2013 11: 35 New
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                  Quote: Fin
                  Voevudsky: No, I kicked my Ukrainian out (laughter)

                  Good day Helen love ! I read .... Taki did not understand fool : whom did they kick out? What is the sense of humor there?
                  1. Fin
                    Fin 13 December 2013 12: 00 New
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                    Didn’t understand fool: whom did they kick out? What is the sense of humor there?

                    And there is no humor there, they just show their attitude to the Ukrainians as a powerless slave. power.
                    1. morpex
                      morpex 13 December 2013 19: 35 New
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                      Quote: Fin
                      they show their attitude towards ukra as a powerless slave. power.

                      Have you ever wondered why a large part of these, as you say, U.K.R.O. is now on the Maidan all over Ukraine? Maybe the main reason is the power that has destroyed the country and leading them to the abyss? And the attitude of this government to its own people is nothing no different from the relationship of these two Polish oligophrenics ..
                      Yes, and brotherly people do not make you call names .. He has in his blood 50% of Russian blood ..
                      1. Fin
                        Fin 13 December 2013 20: 35 New
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                        Quote: morpex
                        Have you ever wondered why most of of these, as you deigned to say, wcdc now on the Maidan all over Ukraine? Maybe the main reason is the power that ruined the country and leading them into the abyss? And the attitude of this power to its own people is no different from the relationship of these two Polish oligophrenic ..
                        Yes, and brotherly people do not make you call names .. He has in his blood 50% of Russian blood ..

                        Are you sure it's big? Will you find% of the total population or help?
                        Speak into the abyss? Yes, the authorities are impotent, thieves. And where will the new lead? Didn’t you try to ponder, or when will we skim off? And then the boys will settle in behind, housing and communal services will rise in price, they will lose their remaining work, they will begin to delay their pensions and salaries, what will you do? Again on the Maidan? Rake your favorite tool? Or maybe wait until the election and give him a percentage of 2 votes? Nah, I want it now and right away.
                        And at the expense of ukrov-it was your leaders who thought up to stand out, then they were silent when this nonsense was walking around the country? Or is it easier to take offense at us?
                      2. morpex
                        morpex 14 December 2013 13: 37 New
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                        Quote: Fin
                        Are you sure it's big?

                        Sure.
                        Quote: Fin
                        Yes, the authorities are impotent, thieves.

                        Agree
                        Quote: Fin
                        And where will the new lead?

                        And we are already beyond the line beyond which there is nowhere to go.
                        Quote: Fin
                        Or maybe wait until the election and give him a percentage of 2 votes?

                        Do you even imagine the Ukrainian elections under the auspices of the Rygynals? In my opinion, no. There will be no elections. Fiction!
                        Quote: Fin
                        And then the boys will settle in behind, housing and communal services will rise in price, they will lose their remaining work, they will begin to delay their pensions and salaries, what will you do

                        Already attached. Everything that you listed is a constant practice of this as you call the authorities. I will not throw you the facts. Just believe - the scale is amazing! Theft and corruption.

                        Quote: Fin
                        And at the expense of ukrov-it was your leaders who thought up to stand out, then they were silent when this nonsense was walking around the country? Or is it easier to take offense at us?

                        Everything is much simpler. Do not be like these figures. Have you heard something like this from me?
                        Resentment? The fact is that your propaganda, instead of objectively telling about the events taking place in Ukraine, is lying to you. It's a shame that you believe. Look at the video clip on the tube. Chinese media about Yanukovych. Feel the difference.
                      3. Jogan-xnumx
                        Jogan-xnumx 15 December 2013 02: 02 New
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                        Quote: morpex
                        Resentment? The thing is that your propaganda, instead of telling you about the events in Ukraine, is lying to you.

                        And your propaganda is not lying?
                        You yourself are lying to everyone here insolently and recklessly, of which I have repeatedly accused you. Confirmation of your personal lie (offhand): about the ditching of Luganskteplovoz by Russian investors, about the number of protesters on the Kiev Maidan.
                        Local provocateur? Or a full-time State Department agent, huh?
                      4. morpex
                        morpex 15 December 2013 14: 41 New
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                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        And your propaganda is not lying?

                        He’s lying. But he’s not as barren as yours ..

                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        You yourself are lying to all impudently and recklessly, in which I have repeatedly convicted you. Confirmation of your personal lies

                        Me in a lie? In which?
                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        about the ditching of Luganskteplovoz by Russian investors,

                        Just. Without accusations. How many diesel locomotives have been made in the last two years? Where is the promised so-called "new line", where are the promised investments in re-equipment of the plant? Why was there a massive layoff of workers and ask questions further?

                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        Local provocateur? Or a full-time State Department agent, huh?

                        Dear Vanya! Show yourself in your hands and do not become like a bazaar merchant. Have respect for the interlocutor. I did not hang tags on you ...
                      5. Jogan-xnumx
                        Jogan-xnumx 16 December 2013 01: 26 New
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                        Quote: morpex
                        He’s lying. But he’s not as barren as yours ..

                        Whose propaganda is this? What I think is propaganda?
                        Quote: morpex
                        Me in a lie? In which?

                        You know this saying: "Piss in his eyes, but he screams - God's dew!" Why was my comment ripped? To make it unclear what lie? It also says which one. Are there any problems with vision?
                        Quote: morpex
                        How many diesel locomotives have been made in the last two years? Where is the promised so-called "new line", where are the promised investments in re-equipment of the plant? Why was there a massive layoff of workers and ask questions further?

                        Ask, do not hesitate. Just take the trouble to confirm the validity of your questions first. That nothing is being done. You have already raised the topic of the alleged destruction of Luganskteplovoz. Answers to their empty "la-la", with numbers and facts received. You can find it here: http://topwar.ru/37137-o-chem-lidery-evromaydana-ne-govoryat-grazhdanam-ukrainy.
                        html # comment-id-1760335
                        Where is the refutation that all this is not?
                        Quote: morpex
                        Dear Vanya! Show yourself in your hands and do not become like a bazaar merchant. Have respect for the interlocutor. I did not hang tags on you ...

                        Dear Valera! Prior to the assimilation to whom you are likened, thank God, I am very far away. A lie in the name of some kind of good - remains a lie. Your talented distortions and denial of the obvious, rather skillful agitation confusion and the introduction of tearing suggest thoughts on exactly what I asked you, and did not hang up labels. Be more critical of the situation and your own conclusions, don’t take what you want to be real and be guided by common sense, then your interlocutors will not have such suspicions. It’s too similar to McCain ... what
                        Good luck with your work on yourself! hi
              2. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 14 December 2013 02: 31 New
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                Quote: morpex
                And you didn’t wonder why the majority of these, as you have expressed themselves, U.K.R.O.v now on the Maidan all over Ukraine?

                Well, how much can you lie! fool "On Maidans all over Ukraine" ... Except for a handful of Natsiks and degenerates in bourgeois Kiev and Nazi Lvov, nowhere are there any Maidowns. And, even more so, the "most" part ...
                “Perseverance is useful, but stubbornness has nothing to do with perseverance.” Paulo Coelho
              3. Rusich51
                Rusich51 14 December 2013 17: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: Jogan-64
                Quote: morpex
                And you didn’t wonder why the majority of these, as you have expressed themselves, U.K.R.O.v now on the Maidan all over Ukraine?

                Well, how much can you lie! fool "On Maidans all over Ukraine" ... Except for a handful of Natsiks and degenerates in bourgeois Kiev and Nazi Lvov, nowhere are there any Maidowns. And, even more so, the "most" part ...
                “Perseverance is useful, but stubbornness has nothing to do with perseverance.” Paulo Coelho

                Dregs from the bottom rose, nuland likes it.
              4. morpex
                morpex 15 December 2013 15: 08 New
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                Quote: Rusich51
                Dregs from the bottom rose, nuland likes it.

                Vladimir! If you have something to say sensible - tell me. I'm already tired of insults. Does it please you? I don’t.
                Mix anyone getting caught with shit -
                The norm of one who is himself offended by the mind, the mind.
            2. morpex
              morpex 15 December 2013 14: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: Jogan-64
              Except for a handful of Natsiks and degenerates in bourgeois Kiev and Nazi Lvov, nowhere are there any Maydauns. And, even more so, the "most" part ...

              Well .. All of your attitude to Ukraine and Ukrainian. The lessons of Dima Kiselyov are not in vain. Funny and sad ..
              I try to inform you again. In simple words: Maidan did not marry the EU, NOT Klitschko, Tyagnibok or Yatsenyuk. The Maidan came out AGAINST the power that ACHIEVED .. And such on the Maidan 90%. That is why neither the opposition nor the authorities will understand what to do with it, with this Maidan .. The opposition (most likely tame) can not tell the Maidan to disperse, because they will be sent, and the government does not want to leave and there is nobody to negotiate with ...
            3. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 16 December 2013 00: 22 New
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              Quote: morpex
              Well .. All of your attitude to Ukraine and Ukrainian. The lessons of Dima Kiselyov are not in vain. Funny and sad ..

              And what, I have to kiss ass Nazi-Galych? Or those stupid idiots who have ruined the whole of Kiev? Or Kiev, allowing to mock their city? You want to spit on your Ukrainian stupidity, and not somehow relate to it. For such unfortunate patriots have disgraced this Ukraine to world disgrace. Dima Kiseleva if you look, so look further. I, unlike you maydanutyh, who have heard a lot of Natsik slogans and advertisements about Eurohalyav, I have my own brains, not Dima.
              Quote: morpex
              The Maidan came out AGAINST the authorities, which REACHED .. And there are 90% of those on the Maidan.

              Against the authorities on the Maidan, from the power of 10 percent, the remaining 90 - every Galychan scum, along with drunks and stupid students who have little to dope on the Maidan, still want to dope in Europe. This alignment will be more reliable. Why did you, once so correct, have not maidan against the government before? Did you get out of the hole right before signing the association? Why can’t you hear a single call to hold a referendum, but only - give the EU? As always - a lie!
              Quote: morpex
              The opposition (most likely tame) cannot tell the Maidan to disperse, because they will be sent, and the authorities do not want to leave and there is nobody to negotiate with ...

              And those and others at the expense of you, Maidan sheep, bargain and solve their selfish issues. For normal people, this is obvious. And where were you, guardians of Ukraine, during the election? Why didn’t they collect the Maidan when the Rada adopted the scum laws? When was the country robbed?
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 14 December 2013 11: 10 New
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          Quote: morpex
          And you didn’t wonder why the majority of these, as you say, U.K.R.O.v now on the Maidan all over Ukraine? Maybe the main reason is the power of the country that ruined the country and leading them into the abyss?

          Power not good that's for surewhy shout: "glory to the heroes", we all know what kind of heroes are there. And: who is not priishov, that ... al "? And Putin, no matter what he was, why braid?
          Is he the Ukrainian president?
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 13 December 2013 12: 55 New
    +3
    A real professor - he is also a professor in Poland, not like some.
  • Beast
    Beast 13 December 2013 22: 40 New
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    That is, we do not want to work, but we need money unequivocally, and more than now. Well, access to Europe, so that they are squandered there (it is not interesting to spend in the homeland). Ah, yes, it is necessary that someone repair the road, otherwise there is no time.
    A full-fledged consumer has been grown.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 09: 02 New
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    Quote: Egoza
    After thirty minutes, the Euro enthusiasm of young people from Western Ukraine was significantly weakened, but there was still more - visas.

    With money, a visa is not a problem, but without money, whether or not there is a visa does not matter.
    Quote: Egoza
    What are the expectations for infrastructure? - repair roads.

    Yeah, the Germans will come and build autobahns wassat
    1. operrus
      operrus 13 December 2013 10: 39 New
      +4
      It seems that Ukrainians have a hodgepodge in their heads, although there is nothing else to want if brains have been washed for 20 years.
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  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 13 December 2013 14: 39 New
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    Egoza
    An interesting look of a Polish professor teaching in Z. Ukraine about the views of his students on the association:
    Why do they want in the EU? - Visa-free regime. This was emphasized by everyone ...

    Yes, Western Ukrainians lived and constantly dreamed of living in Europe, and fought for it.
    And this drive is in Ukraine because of them. They can’t be fixed. Separate the zapadentsev and let them go to clean the streets and garbage in Gevrop.
    1. morpex
      morpex 13 December 2013 19: 40 New
      -3
      Quote: vladimirZ
      Yes, Western Ukrainians lived and constantly dreamed of living in Europe, and fought for it.

      What is the reason dear? After all, Soviet troops were met in 38 with flowers and tears in their eyes as liberators. Why such a sharp turnaround in the three years of Soviet rule?
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  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 13 December 2013 13: 47 New
    +4
    The author of Nevsky does not need to criticize Kiselev, but pay attention to the objective presentation of what is happening on the Maidan.
    So on December 5, 2013, People’s Deputy of Ukraine Olga Levchenko and deputy assistant Igor Shapoval visited the hospital of policemen who suffered during the maintenance of public order near the monument to V.I. Lenin from a gangster attack of vandals during the so-called "peaceful assembly of citizens" on the Maidan.

    According to O. Levchenko, the victims are not only in a difficult physical, but also in a moral state. They said that it is very difficult to hear around the clock such one-sided media coverage of the events on the “Euromaidan”. Why do the media talk about the victims of the protesters, and do not mention a word about the police - people honestly doing their duty?

    According to the victims, everything was calm, but suddenly a crowd came in, led by deputies from Freedom. There were several times more attackers than police officers. A crowd of angry young men threw sheets of plywood, sticks, boards, metal pins into the guards of the order. Flammable liquid was poured on the police, burning smoke bombs flew into them, bandits sprayed tear and asphyxiating gas. According to doctors, a lot of police turned to them with burns of the upper respiratory tract. The company bus was punctured. The victims have their heads broken, lips split, teeth broken, hands broken, ...

    And this frantic crowd, armed to the teeth with chains, metal hammers, cables, is called “myrne zibrannya” in our country !?
    http://www.opentown.org/news/25094/?fm=57573
  • Rusich51
    Rusich51 14 December 2013 13: 06 New
    0
    Nuland promised to avenge Syria, and that’s the result. And the hostess looks in the photo.
  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 13 December 2013 09: 13 New
    10
    Why Dmitry Kiselev changed the chronology, I do not understand. (from article)


    Yes, what the hell is the difference in dates. What are you attached to Kiselev?
    It is necessary to look at the essence of the events in Kiev and Ukraine.
    But the essence is this: the European Union and the United States, with the help and with their active support of the representatives of the 5th column, want:
    - to make another "orange revolution" in Ukraine,
    - draw Ukraine and its people into the circle of its financial and political influence,
    - undermine the natural entry of Ukraine into the Customs and Eurasian Union,
    - at the expense of the people of Ukraine and the closure of its industrial potential to create markets for themselves and raw materials.
    The Ukrainian authorities need to show perseverance and willpower to close all anti-Ukrainian media; the expulsion of all aliens engaged in inflammatory activities; gradually isolate all the protesters on the Maidan and bring them to justice for hooligan and unconstitutional actions.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 13 December 2013 12: 26 New
      -5
      Quote: vladimirZ
      What are you attached to Kiselev?

      Yes, he’s corrupt ... how he got rid of from Russia .. went and worked among other things in Ukraine and fucked up the Russian authorities .. and now he got over here .. there was time on NTV Berezovsky defending ... verily they say - journalism is the second oldest profession wassat
      1. Genry
        Genry 13 December 2013 13: 33 New
        +9
        Quote: smersh70
        Yes, he’s corrupt ... how he was wiped out from Russia .. went and worked among other things in Ukraine and scolded the Russian authorities .. and now he has crossed over here.

        You have beguiled two Kiselevs. There is Dmitry, there is Eugene.
        Eugene is a selling one.
        Dmitry is a fighter for Russia! Maydauns are trying to "stain" him.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 13 December 2013 14: 01 New
          -5
          Quote: Genry
          There is Dmitry, there is Eugene.

          yes I know .. and this one and this one worked in Ukraine. Isn’t that so ..... both were in the so-called emigration ... and then they promised a lot of money ... they came back from and ... it just seems Dmitry ...
          Quote: Genry
          Dmitry is a fighter for Russia!

          he’s a fighter for his pocket .... look at the Internet ... how he works in Ukraine .. he was laughed at Putin’s regime and Russia .....
      2. ultra
        ultra 13 December 2013 15: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        Yes, he’s corrupt ... how he got it from Russia ..

        "Everything was confused in the Oblonskys' house ...." lol
    2. Maverick78
      Maverick78 13 December 2013 12: 37 New
      +7
      That's the difference. Kiselev gave the Maidan people another trump card, which is already enough. If Ukraine had normal power, there would really be nobody there. And so we have.
      Yanukovych associates - a condom (and I would not even argue with that in your place)
      Well-organized propaganda campaign (the "trade wars" with Russia, beautiful pictures of Europe, which will not wait for new brothers in a pan-European paradise)
      An almost complete information blockade of the alternative (through major Ukrainian channels ONLY support for the Maidan)

      Proceeding from this, crowds of people DISSATISFIED WITH THE POWER, first of all, but they are still slipping MANDATORY accession to the EU to solve problems. Not having the opportunity / desire / ability (underline the necessary) to collect and analyze information gives rise to uncontested "euromaidan"
      And the manipulation of dates, facts, etc. only helps in this. Few people will understand that the essence has not changed - they will know that they are trying to deceive. So you either change political strategists (who can distort facts beautifully), or tell ONLY the truth.
      But the truth is not quite what they tell you. On the Maidan, MOST - not for money. I have many friends there. They, like everyone else zae..la this power and this situation in the country. And here they palm off on them - the only alternative is the EU. There are laws, roads and salaries. And no one says what you have to pay for it. And most people simply believe that those who are against this thieves' power tell them the truth. They are really tired and in the vast majority are far from the intricacies of politics. And I would be on the Maidan if there were no EU flags, Bandera slogans and these fucking oppositionists.
    3. evgenm55
      evgenm55 13 December 2013 12: 42 New
      +2
      Well, you, comrade, a dreamer, where did you see the power there? Their "power" looks at the amerikosov with an open mouth and waits for instructions. They were given the command: to negotiate accession Without the participation of Russia, they have already voiced it, and so in everything .And about the information war, I wonder why Volfovich is not heard? If only he warmed up for the sake of a just cause. He alone would cope with all their media, at least he would not let him open his mouth.
    4. Curculum
      Curculum 13 December 2013 13: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: vladimirZ
      It is necessary to look at the essence of the events in Kiev and Ukraine.

      drinks
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 13 December 2013 11: 41 New
    +8
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Russia, as always, is losing the information war for Ukraine ..

    She does not lose anything.
    He who has ears, hears, or in Ukraine disconnected all channels except the brehunts along with the Internet?
    Just how you will not try to inspire a student, a child, what is good and what is bad, he will not understand until he himself "burns" a couple of times. And yes, much more than a couple.
    Why go far for an example in Ukraine. Only in the early 90s, they wrote crap in leaflets that EVERYONE was robbing Ukraine, they chatted in all the media and among themselves that "nezalezhnosti" would save from robbers and give prosperity to a much more civilized one than, say, Russian, and others, " - Finnish blood ", to the Ukrainian people. Although who is Ukrainian, who is Russian, only God knows.
    The result is obvious, but not much is visible.. yes
    Screaming later Julia, Julia! Vitya, then he was a noble geyropeets.
    Too little! request
    Now the Banderlog are roaring like bullies on the Maidan: Ukraine is Europe, and the intelligent kiyans either stare or sit quietly, like the engineer "Vasilisa" in the "White Guard" ... And they don't need any information ...
    Well. History repeats itself ...
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 13 December 2013 19: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Russia, as always, is losing the information war for Ukraine ..
    In the information space, we are like an "elephant in a china shop" .. Well, no matter our teachers are good, we will arrange a global PR campaign

    It is strange that in the Western press everyone recognizes that this year Russia defeated the West under the nuts, both in the information war and in the political one.

    As for the release of Kiselev, there is no fraud. I have not heard any connection between the attempt to storm the administration and disperse the Maidan. Kiselev says that there was a provocation before the dispersal, and it really was. Watch the events before the first overclocking. There, they jumped on the police both during the procession and while standing, pulled out of the car, allegedly for "wiretapping". The fact that different frames are used is understandable. Once Euronews showed burning palm trees in the center of Moscow.
    So personally, I disagree with the author of the article. Kiselev presented his program just in time. You need to understand that the Ukrainian information space is very different from the Russian one, and upon requests from our country, completely different information is issued. Ukraine is sorely lacking in "dissent," but most pro-Western propaganda is too primitive for the Slavic mind. It may have worked on the Arabs, but hardly on the Ukrainians. Let's wait for the anti-Maidan response this weekend and draw conclusions about the consequences of the “work”.
    1. alone
      alone 13 December 2013 23: 53 New
      -2
      The media are all corrupt. They play to the tune of the one who pays. Kiselev is no exception.
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 December 2013 07: 29 New
    19
    as they got maidanutye already. the whole world turns into a madhouse
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 December 2013 07: 50 New
      +3
      2011 billion dollars was withdrawn from Russia to 191, by this we are trying to attract Ukrainians ... whom we are deceiving ...
      1. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 13 December 2013 08: 01 New
        0
        half of them are tourists
        1. Civil
          Civil 13 December 2013 08: 09 New
          +1
          80 billion dollars a year tourists ?! We are talking about "black cash".
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 13 December 2013 10: 16 New
            +3
            Where do these numbers come from?
            Name any method, besides the "expert assessment", of calculating the "black cash" exported from Russia? The expenditure side of the country's budget 350 billion dollars
      2. ser86
        ser86 13 December 2013 08: 08 New
        +5
        in Europe, too, money goes to offshore, though this is not advertised)
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 13 December 2013 08: 32 New
          +3
          I agree with ser86 when in Cyprus banks were covered (accounts were blocked) all of Europe screeched-Cyprus and Crete the main European ovshory
      3. ser86
        ser86 13 December 2013 08: 36 New
        +6
        led a referendum where the majority advocated for European integration
        then "having learned" about the conditions of the IMF they refused to integrate, this brought people to the Maidan ...
        it would seem that Yanukovych has no other choice but a vehicle and he goes to Russia to agree ... on gas)))
        promises to join Yanukovych in the Customs Union, but only in words, as always in such a difficult history of our relations

        and here
        Kiev and Brussels agreed on Thursday to negotiate Ukraine’s European integration without Russia

        refusing to sign the agreement Yanukovych bargained for concessions from Europe
        Fule noted that as it draws closer to the EU, “European support will become more and more,” ITAR-TASS reports.

        and from the IMF in particular
        Fule emphasized that the EU intends to “consider ways to maximize possible assistance from the IMF”


        before that agreed
        Ukraine agreed with Gazprom on gas for the heating season


        now now

        "There will be no talk about the Customs Union! The government is not preparing any documents. I want to put all this speculation aside in advance," he said. Azarov also noted that there will never be any use of force against peaceful demonstrators in Ukraine.

        According to Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich, the country's course towards European integration will not change. "This course, which is fixed at the legislative level, will not change. This path will be continued," Yanukovych said.


        All Yanukovych wanted in Moscow was a discount on gas, on the same gas for lighters


        here, in principle, all relations between Ukraine and Russia, there’s no reason to talk more about gas with us


        and what is a good relationship with a brotherly country?
        Hundreds of ordinary Belgrade residents have come to the Russian Embassy in Belgrade today to say goodbye to Alexander Vasilyevich Konuzin, the Russian ambassador completing his work in Serbia.

        When today, September 17, 2012, the ambassador of the Russian Federation Alexander Vasilyevich Konuzin went to hundreds of people gathered near the embassy to say goodbye to him, when asked if he heard any ambassador escorted in this way, he replied: “I didn’t see this” .

        in the world we have only two fraternal Slavic peoples - Serbs and Belarusians ...
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 04 New
          +9
          Quote: ser86
          led a referendum where the majority advocated for European integration

          There was no referendum !!!
          1. ser86
            ser86 13 December 2013 09: 23 New
            -1
            Yes, I mixed up with opinion polls, I apologize

            Among Ukrainians, who have an unequivocal position regarding the integration choice of Ukraine, 45% are sure that the country should sign the Association Agreement with the European Union, and in the future to become a full member, and 8% that it should sign the Agreement, but not join the EU. Joining the Customs Union is welcomed by only 14%. This is evidenced by the results of the study "GfK Ukraine".


            although it doesn’t change the essence of what I wrote
            1. Genry
              Genry 13 December 2013 13: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: ser86
              although it doesn’t change the essence of what I wrote

              Well, yeah, the social survey was compared to a referendum. As you know, all social polls do not just sin inaccuracy, but try to influence the audience.
              And in your case, the social survey was adjusted as a selection option with the most suitable social group and location.
              1. ser86
                ser86 13 December 2013 15: 36 New
                -2
                opinion poll is not opinion poll ...
                whole regions think so in Ukraine, and not just individuals
                1. ser86
                  ser86 13 December 2013 21: 34 New
                  -1
                  two weeks ago

                  How "stupid" Yanukovych was able to breed so many wise men

                  ... Well, when the European Union goes on a civilizational campaign to the East, the Kremlin also cannot stay away. Especially when the Brontosaurs dug in there, in whose spinal cord the thought firmly impressed that the successful development of the Russian economy was not possible until the 45-million-eater of grants and subsidies was attached to it from the South-West. And there is no need to talk about guarantees of security of sovereign borders - there is no way to do without tight integration with Ukraine. It is simply a miracle that the NATO tanks have not managed to drive up to the Moscow Ring Road since 1991, despite serious difficulties in Russian-Ukrainian relations.

                  It is necessary to pull Yanukovych back into the darkness of Eurasian authoritarianism. Offer him cheap gas, soft loans, industrial cooperation. With all my might to persuade the Ukrainian president not to sign what he himself absolutely does not want to sign. And Yanukovych will coquettishly answer to both sides what he thinks. And while they can continue to persuade and propose new tsatsk. And they will continue - otherwise. There Lukashenko has been living like this for twenty years - and nothing, the high sides still cannot believe in his complete lack of maturity, everyone hopes. And Yanukovych has just begun.

                  Here, however, there is still a third party: Ukrainian voters, who, regardless of their beliefs, still want some specifics. For some, the final choice in favor of the European Union, and for someone in favor of the Customs Union. But for them, Yanukovych has a couple of primitive wiring that will work just as well as the ones he used for the EU and Russia. So he went out and said that he wholeheartedly for European integration, but the evil Putin does not let him go there, so - for the sake of the public good - you have to look for compromises. The squalor is complete, but it will work.

                  Of course, somewhere in Lviv, such statements by Yanukovych will never be believed. But there they will never believe in anything at all. Even if now in Vilnius Yanukovych signs an agreement that Ukraine will join the EU in 15 minutes, there will still be politicians in Western Ukraine who say that 15 minutes is unacceptably long, you need to enter in five, and the Jewish agent Yanukovych intentionally addictive with entry. And the locals will happily vote for these people almost without exception. But for more moderate Ukrainians, whose love for Europe has greatly weakened after recent orange disappointments, such assurances from the president will suffice. Especially if they will be supported by an increase in pensions and salaries.

                  As for the increase, Yanukovych also provided for everything. Moscow will provide them for him - where to go. He didn’t sign an association agreement? Not signed. Threw the Europeans at the last moment? I threw it. Which of the leading Ukrainian politicians is the least willing to deal with in the West? With him. Not Klitschko is now supporting the Kremlin. It will be necessary to help Yanukovych to be reelected - otherwise Moscow will not escape new geopolitical tragedies in his imaginary spheres of influence. The result: support for Moscow, plus the interest of the European Union, plus the landing of the main competitor. What else does the Ukrainian politician need to win the election? At least without a brain in such conditions, you can definitely do.

                  http://slon.ru/world/kak_tupoy_yanukovich_smog_razvesti_stolkikh_umnikov-1026722
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                  1. ser86
                    ser86 15 December 2013 16: 19 New
                    0
                    I am laughing))
                    The European Union on Sunday suspended work on an association agreement with the EU, saying that the willingness of the Ukrainian government to sign it “is not supported by anything,” reports Reuters.

                    Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/news/248723-es-priostanovil-rabotu-nad-soglasheniem-ob-asso
                    tsiatsii-s-ukrainoi

                    Yanukovych has not lost his honor there yet, so that to join the EU?))
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 13 December 2013 12: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: ser86
          All Yanukovych wanted in Moscow was a discount on gas, on the same gas for lighters

          And here is another "Unforgivable mistake" laughing .

          LIGHTERS use the PROPANO-BUTANE mixture obtained in the process of cracking oil.

          And methane goes through the gas pipeline ...
          1. evgenm55
            evgenm55 13 December 2013 13: 34 New
            +1
            It doesn’t matter ... The essence does not change ...
          2. ser86
            ser86 13 December 2013 15: 37 New
            0
            even a plus)))
            I exaggerate
      4. Fin
        Fin 13 December 2013 10: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        2011 billion dollars was withdrawn from Russia to 191, by this we are trying to attract Ukrainians ... whom we are deceiving ...

        And you did not notice that they were offered to try not to enter nowhere and assess the risks. A reasonable person, before making a serious decision, takes a piece of paper, draws it into 2 parts, on the left the EU to the right of the TS and puts + or -, then summarizes and makes a decision. Or do you first think then?
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 13 December 2013 10: 19 New
          +4
          the choice is wider - not only the EU and the CU, but just do not enter anywhere
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 14 December 2013 01: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Fin
          A reasonable person, before making a serious decision, takes a piece of paper, draws on 2 parts

          Yes, everything was clear from the beginning without this paper, it was made under the industrial oligarchy, and only the position of Russia, which showed HOW trade and industrial relations would be built in this case, sober up the country's leadership.
          If it were not for the factor of Russia, then Ukraine would have accepted UNCERTAINTY ALL entry conditions and the people would have paid for it.
          And the condition was to improve the financial sector, and it was proposed to do this by freezing the rise in social payments, raising the price of gas for the population, the communal apartment, etc. ...
      5. IIIIvanov
        IIIIvanov 13 December 2013 10: 43 New
        +2
        Your message speaks of your low literacy in this matter. You need to know that this money simply went to its owners, in the form of profit, dividends or payment for purchases abroad, only thanks to the offshore economy. To balance the knowledge, take an interest in how much is annually withdrawn abroad in China. If you are really interested. And where did such an accuracy of 191 mlr come from, the Ministry of Finance published?
      6. morpex
        morpex 13 December 2013 19: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Civil
        2011 billion dollars was withdrawn from Russia to 191, by this we are trying to attract Ukrainians ... whom we are deceiving ...

        Which Ukrainians? Call a spade a spade. I don’t even get a hole from this donut for a simple Ukrainian. You can’t even imagine how the opinion of the Ukrainian citizen turned around. if Putin and Co. they stopped holding Ham and Co. ... But they don’t change horses, as they say at the crossing .. Although you can shoot them, otherwise this horse, Ham, I mean, will put more than one pig to Putin ..
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 01 New
      +7
      Quote: Sterlya
      already. the whole world turns into a madhouse

      Correctly! Madhouse!
      The community “Maidan in every house” on Facebook calls to support people on Euromaidan in a rather unusual way. Activists are asking to wash the yellow-blue linen and hang it to dry on the balcony.
      “Wash all over the country. Hang a clean yellow-blue out the window. Ukraine, do not be sour. Erase other cities, ”the community writes.
      xxxxx
      Cowards will fight for freedom and democracy !!!! fellow
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 13 December 2013 09: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: Egoza
        Cowards will fight for freedom and democracy !!!! fellow

        Well, with yellow tan marks, I think, there will be no particular problems, especially after dispersal of the Maidan. laughing
      2. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 13 December 2013 09: 22 New
        +3
        ))))))))) By cowards we will fight for freedom and democracy !!!! ))))))))))))))) the panties were removed, the rolls were pushed apart))))) the point was soaped)))
      3. IIIIvanov
        IIIIvanov 13 December 2013 10: 47 New
        +1
        But you know that Maidan in Turkish means market, so the full translation sounds significant: Independence Square is a market of freedom!
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 14 December 2013 01: 20 New
          0
          Quote: IIIIvanov
          Independence Square - the market of freedom!

          Then, literally, then Independence Market, that is, the place where they trade independence ....
          1. Kars
            Kars 14 December 2013 01: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            the Independence Market

            In general, the Maidan is a ploshchat. In Zaporozhye there is a Maidan Lenin))) this is literally a market where they trade Lenin)))
            And what is being traded on Independence Square now is not your business. And if you take your feet in your hands and eat in Kiev and stand on your cocktail, your soul wants a market on either the Independence Square or the Mariinsky)))
            1. Rusich51
              Rusich51 14 December 2013 17: 40 New
              0
              Kars.
              Russian to Russian in Little Russia has always been and will be the case. This is our people crushed and humiliated by amers and Poles. They have a pancake for a cookie. Critters.
              1. Kars
                Kars 14 December 2013 21: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: Rusich51
                Russian to Russian in Little Russia has always been and will be the case.

                Where is Little Russia?
                Quote: Rusich51
                then our people are crushed and humiliated by amers and Poles.

                Does it say a proud and not crushed Muscovite?
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 15 December 2013 12: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Kars
              And what is being traded on Independence Square yours case. And if yours take your feet in your hands and eat in Kiev and stand on a kokai your you like the market either on the Maidan or the Mariinsky)))


              I see from the moment of our last "meeting" you have learned some lessons of politeness in communication. I see "imprisonment in the bath" is favorable and at least a little, but clears the brain.
              1. Kars
                Kars 15 December 2013 13: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Corsair
                I see since our last "meeting

                For me, you appeal to someone like you is a sign of contempt. Calling YOU as a stranger already doesn’t get like that, so you can’t attribute the appeal to you as respect for a stranger.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 15 December 2013 17: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  For me, you appeal to someone like you is a sign of contempt.

                  Yes Ugh at you...
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 15 December 2013 18: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Corsair
                    Ugh on you.

                    wassat
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 15 December 2013 18: 22 New
                      0
                      Quote: Kars
                      Quote: Corsair
                      Ugh on you.

                      wassat

                      Is it a smiley, or did you "lead" your face?

                      But in general, what is attached, trolina?

                      MAYDAN Translation
                      MAYDAN
                      MAYDAN
                      1) Marketplace in the East; 2) in the languages ​​of prisoners - a gambling den, which is always prohibited by law.
                      A complete dictionary of foreign words that have come into use in the Russian language. - Popov M., 1907.

                      MAYDAN
                      1) a prison illegal tavern and a gambling house; 2) forest plant of potash, tar, etc .; 3) the place where the tar is smoked; 4) the eastern name of the pusher market; 5) A hunting hut in the forest.
                      Dictionary of foreign words included in the Russian language.- Pavlenkov F., 1907.

                      MAYDAN
                      maidan, arab. maidan, mainan, from mada, to be in motion. The general name of the market in the East.
                      Explanation 25000 of foreign words that have come into use in the Russian language, with the meaning of their roots. - Mikhelson A.D., 1865.

                      Maidan, Maidan
                      (Arabic: maidan, madan, from mada - to be movable). 1) is the general name of the market in the East. 2) a secret tavern and a gambling house at the prisoners. 3) a place in the forest where tar is smoked, also a hunting hut.
                      Dictionary of foreign words included in the Russian language.- Chudinov A.N., 1910.

                      Maidan
                      maidana, m. [arab. majdan - square]. 1. A special type of mounds (archaeol.). 2. In the southeast and south of Russia there is a market, a market square.
                      Large Dictionary of Foreign Words. - Publishing House "IDDK", 2007.

                      Maidan
                      a, m. (<Türkic maidan flat, free space).
                      In the southern regions of Russia: a market square.
                      Maidan - referring to the Maidan, Maidan.
                      Explanatory Dictionary of Foreign Words L.P. Krysina.- M: Russian, 1998.


                      .

                      Synonyms: bazaar, baul, wrestling, burun, hut, cemetery, square, tarry, current, crowd, sack

                      MAYA

                      MAIDAN

                      See also in other dictionaries:
                      Maidan - Maidan ... Russian-Kazakh Dictionary
                      MAIDAN - husband. area, place, field; | sublime glade and | the forest plant standing on it: tar smelter, tar tar, arable land, resin, saltpeter maidan, a plant working on the outside; see buda; | assembly place; | stanichnaya, prefabricated hut; | hunting hut ... ... Dahl's Explanatory Dictionary
                      Maidan - Maidan, and, m. 1. Home, home, place of residence. Next time we are going to my maidan. 2. Prison, zone, link, place of detention. Wed ... ... Dictionary of Russian argo
                      Maidan - cemetery, bazaar, course, square Dictionary of Russian synonyms. Maidan noun., count of synonyms: 11 • bazaar (32) • baul ... Dictionary of synonyms
                      Maidan - Maidan, Maidan, husband. (Arabic. majdan square). 1. In the southeast and south of the USSR is a market, market square. 2. Gambling hangout at the bazaar (reg.). 3. The place of the secret game of cards or the secret sale of vodka in prison (thieves. Jarg.). 4. Tar pit (obl.) ... Explanatory Dictionary of Ushakov
                      Maidan - Maidan, and, husband. In Ukraine and in the southern regions of Russia: a bazaar, a market square. | adj. Maidan, ow, ow. Explanatory Dictionary Ozhegova. S.I. Ozhegov, N.Yu. Shvedova. 1949 1992 ... Explanatory Dictionary Ozhegova
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 15 December 2013 18: 25 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Is it a smiley, or did you "lead" your face?

                        Is this an attempt at humor? Unsuccessful, unsuccessful.
                        You can see that this is a smiley by looking at the line above the response window.
                        And on the behaved face - it’s you who go to the mirror, make an effort on yourself, maybe it won’t crack.
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 15 December 2013 18: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        Is this an attempt at humor? Unsuccessful, unsuccessful.

                        On your part, my dear, on your ...
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 15 December 2013 18: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        On your part, my dear, on your ...

                        What really cracked? And you are now in frustration?
  • ser86
    ser86 13 December 2013 15: 45 New
    +1
    there is one)
    1. Lesnik
      Lesnik 14 December 2013 01: 39 New
      +2
      I am consumed with vague doubts that the "girl" laughing
  • Same lech
    Same lech 13 December 2013 07: 37 New
    11
    There is interference by the US State Department in the internal affairs of UKRAINE — our Foreign Ministry is silent like a fish (apparently holding a pause)
    US officials are impuding further - already the Minister of Defense of Ukraine with a finger clamped his nose (we will fuck you if something is wrong)
    US World Order.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 13 December 2013 07: 58 New
      +4
      On this score, no one doubts, we had them a little more modest. Although some employees of the embassy were on Bolotnaya, mostly opposition went to them at the embassy. But here we are talking a little about something else. Why did Kiselev lie by giving moral trump cards to the Euromaidaunts? And as if a hint why "our Foreign Ministry is silent like a fish."
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      US World Order.

      The European Parliament recommended that the Ukrainian authorities hold elections in the country. This is discussed in the resolution adopted by the European MPs on Thursday, December 12. Speaking about Ukraine, the authors of the resolution note that early elections are an acceptable way out of a situation for a democratic state when the authorities need to restore their legitimacy.
      What specific elections - parliamentary or presidential - in this case can be discussed, is not specified.
      http://www.versii.com/news/293295/
  • major071
    major071 13 December 2013 07: 38 New
    11
    The information war comes to the fore in this confrontation and unfortunately the supporters of Russia are starting to lose. All these anti-Russian videos and publications are made with Western money, and I think that they will invest a thujah just to tear Ukraine away from Russia. Then I read the news that the signing of the association of Ukraine with the EU will be held in Brussels without the participation of Russia.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 13 December 2013 08: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: major071
      the signing of the association of Ukraine with the EU will be held in Brussels without the participation of Russia.

      That would be a laugh if IT happened with the participation of Russia)).
      Yanukovych and the company are true to themselves, they are trying to suck two queens. And the uterus diverges further from the calf. And you have to choose someone and stand in a stall)).
      Putin showed a large carrot and, it seems, even gave it a try)). Looks like Yanukovych ran to try another carrot. But before choosing, he will try them many times)). Such is the mysterious "transit" soul)).
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 08: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: ctepx
        at. But before choosing, he will try them many times))

        The more often carrots are eaten in the EU, the faster the elections will come.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: ctepx
        That would be a laugh if IT happened with the participation of Russia)).

        Well, we have already made sure that Russia does not exist! She is so nasty!
        SBU Chairman Alexander Yakimenko invited experts to disperse peaceful demonstrations from Russia.
        Gennady wrote about this on Facebook.
        “We have just received reliable information from SBU employees - since our law enforcement officers are unable to cope with Euromaidan, SBU chairman Alexander Yakimenko invited experts to disperse peaceful demonstrations from Russia.”
        “In addition, a number of consultants arrived from the FSB who developed a scenario for dispersing Euromaidan using the latest technologies, in particular aerosols with special gas. Aerosols will be handed to provocateurs who, under the guise of protesters, will go to the premises of the Kyiv City State Administration, the House of Trade Unions, the Oktyabrsky Palace and other crowded places and spray gas immediately before the assault, ”writes b.
        According to him, the gas causes dizziness, general weakness, and paralyzes the ability to resist.
        “If this is done, all responsibility for further consequences will fall on the SBU. I appeal to the SBU leadership with the requirement to take all possible measures to prevent such a scenario, ”the deputy urged.
        http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/241138
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 13 December 2013 09: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          Well, we have already made sure that Russia does not exist! She is so nasty!

          Our problem is that journalists are working for us, and political technologists are working against us (and for the most part they were bought from us in Russia). Moreover, the issue is not the lack of allocated budget, but that on distant approaches this budget is mastered by the chiefs of journalists)). Therefore, in the information war, we hopelessly lose.
      3. IIIIvanov
        IIIIvanov 13 December 2013 10: 49 New
        +2
        It’s time to admit that Ukraine is occupied, and the invaders are dictating to the operetta authorities what to do, or else they will imprison them.
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 13 December 2013 21: 24 New
        0
        Quote: ctepx
        It seems that Yanukovych ran to try another carrot.

        I will finish the run ... he will replace Yulia in a cell. Not the first time, of course, but "I don't want to, yes." laughing
        Vitya uses the West and throws, examples of the sea, and he must understand this.
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 13 December 2013 08: 47 New
      +1
      Negotiations have already taken place and EU Commissioner for EU Enlargement Stefan Fule said:
      "... that the principle" more-for-more "will work with Ukraine - when Kiev demonstrates progress on the path of European integration and reforms, the EU will allocate more funds to Ukraine ...".And that without Russia, well, hr..n with them.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 13 December 2013 07: 39 New
    +9
    .... Kiseleva ... all the salt, tragedy and drama of the plot unfolded in this five-minute period, as a result of which all TS supporters had, sorry for being rude, to put their tongue in w ... y.

    How lovely. The vehicle you represent is one Russian journalist from the state media.
    If every time, when the pro-Western Ukrainian media lied, supporters of European integration would stick their tongues in the designated place, they would not have the strength to even leave the house. And they would have forgotten how to speak.
    1. PPL
      PPL 13 December 2013 08: 09 New
      0
      Unfortunately, Kiselev is not just "one Russian journalist from the state media."
      On December 9, 2013, it was announced that on the basis of the liquidated RIA Novosti, a new structure would be created - “The international news agency“ Russia Today ”. Her CEO was appointed Dmitry Kiselyov. According to the presidential decree, the main task of the new agency will be “covering abroad the state policy of the Russian Federation and Russian public life”, and according to Kiselyov, the mission of his organization is “restoring a fair attitude to Russia as an important country of the world with good intentions”
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 13 December 2013 08: 15 New
        +7
        Quote: PPZ
        Unfortunately, Kiselev is not just "one Russian journalist from the state media

        Personally, I welcome this appointment. Bye ... Let's see.
        By sabzh. I am far from the thought that Mr. Kiselev is so rude, short-sighted and deliberately misinterpreted the situation. In journalistic practice, anything can happen. The trend should be, it will show: Hu from Who?
        1. PPL
          PPL 13 December 2013 08: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: BigRiver
          I am far from thinking that Mr. Kiselev so rudely, short-sightedly and deliberately turned the situation around.

          I agree with you. Kiselev may have acted as a "talking head", it is unlikely that he prepares all the texts for the air on his own.
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 13 December 2013 08: 27 New
      0
      Quote: BigRiver
      one Russian journalist from the state media.

      And, nevertheless, Kiselev needs to fix this blunder urgently. Use it as an information occasion)).
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 08: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: ctepx

        And, nevertheless, Kiselev needs to fix this blunder urgently.

        And in what a blunder, a man wrote above that he said the truth, but didn’t give it that way. That's what makes an elephant out of a fly.
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 13 December 2013 09: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And what’s the blunder, the person there already wrote above

          Bloop, if I understand correctly, is that the chronology of the events under discussion is confused.
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          What difference does it make when it was?

          Who cares? One gives, the other teases)).
          In the context of the information war this is a very serious DLNP. But, at the same time, a very good informational, propagated by enemies, informational reason to convey my point of view again)).
        2. Walker1975
          Walker1975 13 December 2013 15: 01 New
          +1
          Yes, you’re walking along the street, I’ll meet you ... and then once and with a club on your head and from your foot in the kidneys ... you get up and throw yourself at me. And then they show a video where you first rush at me, and then I defend myself from you. As a result, they plant you, and I have self-defense in its purest form. And yet the video is still true ... well, think about it, swapped the chronology.

          A video with a tractor is generally a masterpiece. A tractor rides on a conscript service (who have not even been given shields), they are cooled by BERKUT for an hour watching a couple of dozen people throw stones at them. And so, what could be done was to step aside in front of the tractor and calmly remove from it those 5-10 provocateurs who were on it. Everything - a ready-made criminal case - does not even need to be proved. Instead, BERKUT first waits, and then begins to knead everyone with particular cruelty, including dozens of journalists ... BUT he still does not catch a single person from the tractor.


          probably these shots speak of high courage and officer honor

          I'm not saying that for some reason one of the tractor drivers with the mug of one of the chiefs of the Kiev riot police, and those who threw stones at conscripts magically appear in the rear of the riot police and calmly leave
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 13 December 2013 21: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Walker1975
            I'm not saying that for some reason one of the tractor drivers with the mug of one of the chiefs of the Kiev riot police

            Well, of course, again someone is to blame ... There, when Lenin was hollowed, one looked a lot like Azarov! yes
            OMON, Yanukovych - a bandyugan (Klitschko, he does not like bandyugan,
            served them from a young age, tired of laughing) Ah, I forgot, still Putin. Putin is to blame for this the most: Ikam does not give free rein, he doesn’t take into account with the geyropeytsy, he’s completely gone! request
            And the banderlogs and those who joined them are the lost peaceful lambs.
            And if the two-faced Yanukovych signed an agreement that they did not read at all, would he be "hosanna" and this very second the forgiveness of sins?
          2. svp67
            svp67 14 December 2013 06: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Walker1975
            Yes, you’re walking down the street, I’ll meet you ... and then once and with a club on your head,

            Yes, yes, the Germans showed how many "atrocities" are being filmed on the Maidan ...
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          4. CTEPX
            CTEPX 14 December 2013 19: 11 New
            0
            Quote: Walker1975
            step aside in front of the tractor and calmly remove those 5-10 provocateurs from it

            You're right. Do not underestimate the professional mercenaries of the information war. They are nothing against warriors. They affect commanders and the crowd. And, what, do we kill them all ???
            Conclusion: love your professional warriors of the information war, otherwise ...
          5. Corsair
            Corsair 15 December 2013 17: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Walker1975
            Yes, you’re walking along the street, I’ll meet you ... and then once and with a club on your head and from your foot in the kidneys ... you get up and throw yourself at me.

            Where did you get such "political technologies"? Who instructs and prepares SUCH and where?
  • makarov
    makarov 13 December 2013 07: 41 New
    0
    Is there life on Mars, is there life on Mars, this is unknown to science. Science is not yet up to date ..

    from the film Eldar Ryazanov "Carnival Night"
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 December 2013 07: 44 New
    20
    Honestly, the Ukrainians are sick of their maidan. They can’t figure out what they need, Yanukovych in general is somehow, neither yours nor ours. Personally, I’m tired of reading about how Western politicians command in Ukraine, and local people just do what they apologize for. When Yanukovych will be judged let him think. In short, for me, Ukrainian affairs are sour borsch, not tasty and better to pour.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 13 December 2013 07: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Yanukovych is generally some kind, neither yours nor ours.

      So the answer on the surface is how and to whom it will be more expensive to sell.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 13 December 2013 10: 07 New
        +1
        So the answer on the surface is how and to whom it will be more expensive to sell ....... at the same time he considers himself to be very cunning. But I think he will outwit himself. And he will have to take the place of, beast with a scythe,
        1. evgenm55
          evgenm55 13 December 2013 14: 49 New
          +2
          We ourselves have not yet fully felt the charm of WTO membership ... When the last collective farmer or farmer (I don’t know how to be more correct) will be too late.
    2. PPL
      PPL 13 December 2013 08: 03 New
      +3
      Indeed, sometimes you catch yourself thinking that it would be better now all comers have plunged into the EU.
      But then, what will happen next? I recall a proverb from childhood: The entrance to the gang is a ruble, and the exit is two!
      Again we will chew on the news about the desire to return everything back.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      In short, for me, Ukrainian affairs are sour borsch, not tasty and better to pour.

      It = something like that, but you can’t just sit and drink when ...
      “Freedom” brings extremists and militants from the Middle East and the Balkans to Ukraine
      The mass protests in Kiev are attended by specially trained militants from the Middle East, as well as people who were organizers and active participants in the so-called “color revolutions” in some countries of this region, said Vladimir Rogov, Chairman of the Main Council of the Slavic Guard Public Organization ".

      According to him, the representatives of these organizations are allies of the ultra-right political power “Freedom”, which can not only organize forceful provocations during mass rallies, but also terrorist attacks to increase political tension in Ukraine and change the current government by force.

      “Why does Qatar urgently open an embassy in Ukraine? This is a country with a population of 600 thousand and urgently in Ukraine. From there, the Hizb’s are funded. Now in Kiev there are over seven hundred representatives of the Tahrir hizba. These are representatives of the Tahrir combat wing, essentially militants. They have now come to terms with the Svoboda security service, the Trident, and the National Security Youth Congress in Kiev. The problem is that all these Nazis from Freedom and other ultra-right Ukrainian organizations are just guys compared to those who already sniffed gunpowder in Syria and went through training camps in Turkey and Crimea. In fact, this is already scary, ”said Rogov.

      He said that people who were organizers or active participants in the overthrow of the current government, who were denied entry to many countries, came to Kiev. Today in Ukraine, according to Rogov, technologies are being applied that were tested in the “Arab spring,” since even leaflets and information materials were not properly adapted.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        “Freedom” brings extremists and militants from the Middle East and the Balkans to Ukraine

        (Continued)
        “The worst thing is that now we are not just realizing some kind of scenario, we are getting a mixture of scenarios. Yugoslavsky: an American citizen of Serbian origin, Marco Ivkovic, who organized the so-called "bulldozer revolution" came here. Today, the network already has pictures showing a comparison of Serbia in October 2000 and Ukrainians in December 2013. Technologies from the Middle East were added here - this can be seen one by one on the leaflets, people were too lazy to redraw the pictures, they just adapted them for Ukraine, ”said Rogov.

        He presented two leaflets to the camera - one written in Arabic, the other in Ukrainian - with instructions on how to properly prepare and equip for participation in mass protests. The other two leaflets are also of identical graphic design, but in different languages, give instructions on the tactics of the actions of rioters against law enforcement in street clashes. All these materials and methods, according to Rogov, are distributed among the participants of the Euromaidan and the instigators of the riots. All these materials, as well as the slogans and technologies used now, according to the activist, were developed in the summer. And the distributors of such materials asked to transmit them to other people exclusively through e-mail or in person in printed form, but not through social networks so that these leaflets and instructions would not fall into the hands of the police, SBU and the media. Such leaflets, according to the activist, were distributed in various "revolutionary" camps in the Middle East, funded by US foundations USAID, National Democracy Institute (a division of the US Democratic Party - Ed.) And the like.

        Rogov noted that politicians are trying to artificially stir up protest moods on the Maidan, and therefore did not rule out a repetition of new provocations: “By the time people calmed down more or less by November 30, a provocation had been organized that activated mass rallies. Everything suggests that now the Maidan is again “blown away” and it needs to be “warmed up” with some new portion of hatred. And this portion of hatred will be already higher in degree. Pay attention to how Tyagnybok and Klitschko shout about some missing guys, that troupe is hiding somewhere in the police, and then they will be thrown on the Maidan. We are now on the verge of a coup. The only hope today is only for the police and law enforcement forces, as well as for the prudence of people who will understand all this and leave the street, ”Rogov summed up.
        http://www.versii.com/news/293308/
        1. evgenm55
          evgenm55 13 December 2013 15: 09 New
          0
          Well, what does Comrade Rogov complain about? HE is from the GUARDS. Are we going to catch spirits from them? WHY IS NO CLEAR ORGANIZATIONAL-BATTLE WORK IN RESPONSE TO ACTIONS OF THE WESTERN SHOWER? It’s been a long time already to catch a part - others would understand that this is not a freebie and, most likely, leave quickly. Or they’ll all hope that someone will do everything for them . The accumulated heaps of manure will be broken?
      2. Rusich51
        Rusich51 14 December 2013 17: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        “Freedom” brings extremists and militants from the Middle East and the Balkans to Ukraine
        The mass protests in Kiev are attended by specially trained militants from the Middle East, as well as people who were organizers and active participants in the so-called “color revolutions” in some countries of this region, said Vladimir Rogov, Chairman of the Main Council of the Slavic Guard Public Organization ".

        Well, everything converges nuland said - nuland did.
  • stayer
    stayer 13 December 2013 07: 50 New
    +3
    Not only Westerners play "chess", Russians also make their moves. It's just that the whole "party" will be visible only after a lapse of time. And Kiselev was just a pawn that went to the playing field. The moves of other participants and their actions are immediately visible. Westerners also do not differ in the purity of the game and the cheaters at the table are not measured. This is normal. Ukraine (sooner or later) will be in the vehicle, I have no doubt.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 December 2013 07: 51 New
    +6
    What has been done is done, that before the Amers, then Ukraine for them is a semi-colony no more. Klitschko frankly works west ...
    1. IGS
      IGS 13 December 2013 10: 09 New
      +2
      Interestingly, their sponsors with buns do not think that the grandmothers on the Maidan for the most part have already drank, and for them they simply arrange a theater for the rest? that they are simply bred into grandmas? It feels like everyone is happy with the circus, Yanukovych Chegoito quietly went to China at the peak of the crisis. We conspired and grandmothers were chopped from two sides, that's just .... ordinary people were not warned, and they won’t be, there was no money for him, no, and will not be in any case. He is an extras.
      PS Yes, and they throw Russia:
      Stefan Fule: Ukraine and the European Union decided to agree without Russia
      http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/211801.html
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 13 December 2013 08: 09 New
    +1
    Why Putin does not crawl into the Ukrainian showdown? but because Stalin concluded a pact with Hitler. at least for a day, at least for an hour to delay the approaching war!
    1. xan
      xan 13 December 2013 12: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      Why Putin does not crawl into the Ukrainian showdown?

      Waiting for the moment when it will be possible to calmly go down the mountain and stop this booth without too much noise and dust.
      1. alone
        alone 14 December 2013 00: 01 New
        0
        Why should Putin get into this? So that everyone finally starts to accuse him of organizing all this mess? Have you even thought about what you are proposing to the President of Russia? His intervention alone is enough for the whole opposition to start speaking in chorus

        "You see, even then we warned that only Russia is hindering the excellent development of Ukraine!"

        And yet. Maybe Putin still calmly go down the mountain and stop all this booth in his own country?
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 13 December 2013 08: 12 New
    +4
    Why Russia does not take measures to Western attacks I do not understand. The West in Ukraine openly denigrates Russia.
  • dark_65
    dark_65 13 December 2013 08: 12 New
    +7
    I did not quite understand the meaning of what the author wanted to say with this opus, but for me the fact was that nobody was starving, nobody was losing his job, nobody was repressed, both under Yanukovych and his predecessors, so what ... all this the horde gathered on the Maidan? Maybe just work for the good of the country?
    So no, it’s better for the same students to be there, but let's ask ourselves, are these children? Or are they just infantile scumbags? I remember that in the war and in deprivation people grew up faster.
    And why be surprised if the cops piled on a bit, did not understand what they were going for?
    About Klitschko, well, if you hug the "rooster" from the European Union, then everything is clear to everyone.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: dark_65
      what ... whoa all this horde gathered on the Maidan? Maybe just work for the good of the country?

      The question is, of course, interesting! The main thing is that Yanukovych POSTPONED the signing, but did not refuse it. I made a statement on TV that it was necessary to wait until March at least, to reconsider something, to tighten up the economy at least a little ... It would seem, how long is there to wait? So no! "Maidan !!! Now !!! We want !!!" And they blatantly lie that "the people left by themselves," and the opposition joined. Oppa brought people out! I decided to take advantage of the moment and seize power. am
  • alexng
    alexng 13 December 2013 08: 13 New
    +5
    Kiselev gave out what was prepared for him. It is not he who prepares the program, but the whole team. And it is not yet known how the last Judas of the USSR used to say in his time: "where the dog rummaged."
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 13 December 2013 08: 24 New
    +5
    Why are these your new arguments for Euro-Maidan people weighing in comparison with the absolute realities of the situation created by the EU (the main document of the association), the hypocritical and bipartite reaction, and the US statements - I don’t think that normal sensible and pragmatic people of Ukraine can be confused or even radically change their polarity, by the fact of the presence of one temporal blooper of the Russian media against the background of dozens of jambs of European commissions and American balabol from the administration ...
    1. Maverick78
      Maverick78 13 December 2013 13: 40 New
      +6
      Believe it or not, a lot of normal, sane and pragmatic people have already "gone astray". Since 2004, "information pi ... ts" has been going on here. For example, I no longer trust anyone, not a single politician, not a single media outlet.
      I try to double-check everything three times in different sources (and I regularly have the thought “maybe the world has not gone crazy, but me?”). And ordinary people NEED faith, and sometimes they just believe what they want.
      1. alexng
        alexng 13 December 2013 16: 28 New
        +1
        And honest media in Nature does not exist at all. Any media is biased, as there are no independent media and print organizations.
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  • calocha
    calocha 13 December 2013 08: 33 New
    +2
    In the West, they will always find something to grab and distort, lie and distort. Article minus.
  • individual
    individual 13 December 2013 08: 36 New
    +4
    Who will deceive whom will judge history.
    Only if you know the whole truth, it is obvious that all this Maidan was organized to tear Ukraine away from Russia, eliminate the buffer territory between Russia and NATO, and replace the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol with a warrior of the North Atlantic bloc.
    And the people of Ukraine are a cog in the hands of a "designer" from the United States.
  • bairat
    bairat 13 December 2013 08: 37 New
    +8
    They show anything on the news: Maidan fermentation, riots in Thailand, some kind of demonstrations in Europe. They chew it without ceasing, every half hour, but for example about the events in Arzamas silence. I'm tired of hearing about the crush on the Maidan, I'm not interested in Thailand at all, give me in the end news about my country!
  • Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky 13 December 2013 08: 46 New
    +1
    Let's call a spade a spade: he went to deceive. And the blow fell on the Russian audience in Ukraine. It is a fact! Euro-Maidan workers got an iron argument in discussions at work, at school and among Russian-speaking friends.

    An argument that proves? It didn’t mean an armed attack of oranges and helmets, they didn’t crush and didn’t roll people on the equipment of the bucket and did not destroy the monument ??? Or Mr. Good found an argument against Ukraine joining the CU:

    And you think there is justice and truth in Russia? And you still did not believe me that they were throwing a number of goods to the CU Belarus?

    In this case, I congratulate Ukraine on such extremely valuable universal economists, political scientists, and VERY attentive viewers who are studying the issue of the advantages of joining the CU or association in the EU with so many faces.
    1. Maverick78
      Maverick78 13 December 2013 13: 44 New
      +1
      In Ukraine, the issue of joining the CU is not being studied, as in the rest of the EU.
      If you have links to any documents, RF proposals for a vehicle, please drop it for review. And on my own, so far I have found only general phrases
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 14 December 2013 10: 56 New
        0
        And what are needed at the supply level, when Belarus is an example?
        There is no customs, no visas, energy prices are almost equal, there are no obstacles to the movement of labor and capital. Relations in politics and defense are allied.
        But, of course, there are certain restrictions, the principle "what I want, I turn it over" will no longer work. But Lukashenka and the Belarusian people are not afraid of this. Luke correctly said: "Suverinitet is not an icon!"
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 14 December 2013 16: 09 New
        0
        Communists have propaganda TC, Ukrainian choice, too.
        There are just the advantages of the vehicle and the disadvantages of the EU
        There is a lot of information that Ukraine will lose that it will gain (it is a little incorrect, depending on the source, for perceiving the direction)
        but one thing is clearly visible - we greatly lose something and gain something. There is a reason to hesitate. At stake are, for example, agricultural / industrial sectors or or ... decline / rise. To argue that it is better what is worse and that I will not prefer.
        There is no definite, let's enter THERE (EU / CU) and everything will be fine. NO. Somewhere we’ll necessarily lose somewhere. The question is only for the future. For me, the vehicle is promising, for my friend from KIEV-EU. But both are inclined to believe that losing the two directions is unprofitable for the country. Although very diverging in relation to the Maidan.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 14 December 2013 16: 11 New
          0
          We mocked Kiev a bit (official) a little while, then again, actually relevant
          http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/253540/v_odesse_prodoljayut_izdevatsya_nad_nezav
          isimostyu_ukrainy_na_seyi_raz_ee_pohoronili_pomnim_lyubim_skorbim
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 14 December 2013 16: 46 New
            0
            We have many posters against the EU.
            There are practically not enough posters for the EU. I bet that there are some posters all over the Southeast, and others on the other side.
            Actually the battle for Kiev.
            This is not Russia losing something there, but we (southeast). In informational yes - economic no.
            The slogan is good Against Yanukovych - but with no leaders standing, who were appropriated by banderlogs from the opposition in order to enslavely pay the capitulation of Ukraine to the EU ... something like that is mixed, but my point of view is on the Maidan.
            It will be normal for me if GDP suppresses the VFJ for the CU without touching the population of Ukraine (especially the Southeast) under the guise of trade wars (how many wrote that they turned so many people away from the CU)

          2. Cristall
            Cristall 14 December 2013 16: 46 New
            0

            until Ukraine itself needs to be called in something, now people do not decide anything at all. We can barely barely cheat on each other's faces defending our opinion (about the EU), but still we are together.
            Here's how to deal with external puppeteers who even use good people on the Maidan for the EU. They lie godlessly.
            I am personally for BB, order is needed in the country, anarchy is not needed. Let there be victims, but the order and even on the threshold of NG is needed.
            Well, while the people let off steam
  • nikolaykk
    nikolaykk 13 December 2013 08: 49 New
    +4
    BRUSSELS, Dec 12 - RIA News. Ukraine will soon sign an association agreement with the European Union, First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Sergey Arbuzov said during a joint press conference with European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighborhood Policy Stefan Fule.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20131212/983780535.html#ixzz2nKJzDbCB

    Ukraine, like that prostitute who pays the most under that and lies down. And now there is an elementary cut of Ukrainians brothers between Moscow and Brussels
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 08: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: nikolaykk
      . Ukraine will soon sign an association agreement with the European Union, First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Sergey Arbuzov said during a joint press conference with European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighborhood Policy Stefan Fule.

      Yes, let’s sign it, it’s not cold, it’s not hot for us from the association. We will cover our market, and then their problems. Although I strongly doubt that they will sign at all. They will not be allowed into the EU, the economy will collapse, the prospects are super laughing
  • RBLip
    RBLip 13 December 2013 08: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Honestly, the Ukrainians are sick of their maidan. They can’t figure out what they need, Yanukovych in general is somehow, neither yours nor ours. Personally, I’m tired of reading about how Western politicians command in Ukraine, and local people just do what they apologize for. When Yanukovych will be judged let him think. In short, for me, Ukrainian affairs are sour borsch, not tasty and better to pour.

    gold words.
    Quote: Tersky
    So the answer on the surface is how and to whom it will be more expensive to sell

    great answer.
    in general, Ukraine (all. that is, politicians, oligarchs, the population) are confidently running along the path of Poland. Since time immemorial, it has been a European prostitute, now Ukraine will be the same. A fair wind in a hunchbacked back.
    1. vlbelugin
      vlbelugin 13 December 2013 10: 00 New
      +8
      Although I myself am a fellow countryman (Makeevsky) of this imperfection, Yanukovych, but I can’t look at him. He and his team pi ... pi ... pi ... Well, get together in the EU go. Do not want to go to the vehicle. The day before yesterday - the EU. Yesterday - TS. Today is the EU again. Really like a cheap prostitute. Where the ruble will give more and fall.
      Ukraine has never been independent. Now under Poland, then under Russia. And will not be. It’s in their genes to be under someone else’s.
      It is a shame for Ukraine that they have such "leaders".
      And forgive me, people, that my countryman is a Judas. That they didn’t catch and bury them in some kind of pit in time.
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  • Clegg
    Clegg 13 December 2013 08: 58 New
    -11 qualifying.
    Well done Ukrainians, we are after you)
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 13 December 2013 10: 15 New
      +6
      this is also in d ... my dive. nose clamp, otherwise you will choke.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 10: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Clegg
      Well done Ukrainians, we are after you)

      Where to?
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 13 December 2013 12: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Clegg
      Well done Ukrainians, we are after you

      well done in what, in Europe, in fact they don’t call, they are offered to stand in a pose more convenient for Europe.
      but about you, don’t worry, most importantly, store yourself in Vaseline
    4. hommer
      hommer 13 December 2013 14: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: Clegg
      Well done Ukrainians, we are after you)


      Do not speak for all Kazakhs. Or change the flag.
  • saag
    saag 13 December 2013 09: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    Well done Ukrainians, we are after you)

    One caveat - Kazakhstan has already divided everything, the EU has nothing more to take there
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    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 13 December 2013 12: 25 New
      0
      Quote: saag
      One caveat - in Kazakhstan, everyone has already shared

      in Kazakhstan it’s easier to take it away and share it again, it will not rust at the nazik
  • Garrin
    Garrin 13 December 2013 09: 15 New
    +1
    You don’t need to invent anything and prove something, because the fact that the US State Department Deputy Victoria Nuland walks along the Maidan with the US Ambassador and distributes pies to Ukrainian policemen in a cordon does not need special comments. It shows the whole world!

    I’m wondering what our Zurabov is doing there? Why has he never appeared on anti-Maidan? And what for then to us to contain the embassy in Kiev?
  • Altona
    Altona 13 December 2013 09: 20 New
    +1
    It was necessary to show the "American-style Maidan", very tough, with handcuffs, with detentions, with punches in the face ... And discussing the "jelly banks" from the Berkut, which even create a wonderful PR decoration for Maidan residents, I don't see the point, even for change week of date ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 13 December 2013 12: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      It was necessary to show the "American Maidan"

      it would be enough to watch the dispersal of the defenders of the "bronze soldier"
      1. Rusich51
        Rusich51 14 December 2013 17: 27 New
        0
        Basil, fascism is walking on the planet. History goes in a spiral. When will all this pro-imperial pack get in tinsel?
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  • Egoza
    Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 36 New
    +6
    The Parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea appealed to the population of the peninsula with an appeal to oppose the violent "Maidanization" of Crimea. This is stated in a statement by the Verkhovna Rada of the ARC received by LIGABusinessInform.
    "Using the technologies of" color "revolutions, the organizers of street riots in Kiev strive to seize power in the country at any cost. They have already divided key posts in government structures, as evidenced by the published documents, and, intoxicated by the thirst for power, will stop at nothing, the authors of the statement assure the Crimeans.
    According to them, knowing well the instigators and sponsors of "this criminal scenario", they can say with full confidence that the destructive processes will primarily affect the autonomous status of Crimea.
    “You and I risk losing everything that we have achieved with such difficulty over the years of our republic's existence. We will be deprived of the right to speak, write, and receive education in the native Russian language for most Crimeans,” the population of the peninsula assures.
    The ARC Parliament says that today Crimea is faced with a choice: either to endure "violent Maidanization" or to resolutely rebuff "anti-state and anti-Crimean forces."
    "Therefore, we appeal to each of you, regardless of nationality, religion, political views, with an appeal to demonstrate our common position. No one in Kiev should have the illusion that Crimea will obediently accept the will of others imposed on us. Only together we can defend our common Crimean destiny. Autonomy is in danger! Be ready to stand up for it! "
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/222375-parlament-kryma-prizval-krymchan-dat
    -otpor-evromaydanu.html
  • vlad52-t
    vlad52-t 13 December 2013 09: 38 New
    +5
    There is a war between Russia and the West. The events in Ukraine are one of the stages of this war. The war is also going on in the information field. Unfortunately, Russia is not winning this war. Perhaps non-professionalism, perhaps the actions of the "fifth column", but we are giving in. Guys need to be "more protective".
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 13 December 2013 09: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: RBLip
    great answer.

    in general, Ukraine (all. that is, politicians, oligarchs, the population) are confidently running along the path of Poland. Since time immemorial, it has been a European prostitute, now Ukraine will be the same. A fair wind in a hunchbacked back.

    And it's true (((the authorities got them - where is the honor and dignity of the nation, that's a pancake faced with a choice, like a road shawl, you between two cars, they don't want to see the obvious and are trying, now, to agree on 20 billion euros in order to sit out their deadlines on the armchairs and so that there would be enough money - but after all, everyone knows about payments for 2014 on external loans (50 or 60 billion Baku) - further default and in the light of the signed association - the adoption of ALL anti-crisis measures from the IMF and the EU, and those will be so tough, that 2/3 of Ukraine will be packed not so much on the Maidan, but stupidly Kiev will be flooded. And if someone on the independent (so far independent) thinks that the EU will help them like the Greeks, that is 100% "naive Gray Neck." there will be no turning back and I will honestly be glad of it - they got it, these are still half-traitors of the Slavic world ...
    For Ukrainians: do you know how the world got rid of malaria in its main foci ?? They bred artificially males of an anopheles mosquito (hundreds and hundreds of thousands), all of them were exposed to radiation, which made them sterile, but strong and large, and when they were released into their natural environment, they drove out forest males, but did not give offspring ... Here is a scenario for Ukraine and its "mutual" trade with Europe
  • Egoza
    Egoza 13 December 2013 09: 41 New
    +6
    Dear forum users! You can believe, not believe, laugh or listen, but the fact remains!
    In 2010 year Kharkov astrologer Elena Maximova painted a rather gloomy picture of the future of the country. In her opinion, Ukraine in its current form will cease to exist already in the 2013 year. The astrologer, whose forecast was reprinted by almost all Ukrainian media three years ago, stated that the state of Ukraine within its current borders would last only 22 years and eight months, then a split would ensue. Such areas as Lugansk, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Crimea and the Black Sea region are likely to be part of Russia, although they will retain autonomy. The new territorial unit, according to Maximova, will receive a new name. The rest of the regions will remain Ukraine. The state will have a new president - a man who at the time of writing the forecast (2010 year) did not occupy key positions in politics.
    xxxxx
    That "white spot" on the map will be the rest of Ukraine! Indeed, everything goes to this!
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 14 December 2013 10: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      Indeed, everything goes to this!

      Good, son, good (or rather daughter)!
      The main thing is if such a process really goes so that it is bloodless.
  • Altona
    Altona 13 December 2013 09: 41 New
    12
    I'll post a little to cheer up on Friday ... drinks
    1. IIIIvanov
      IIIIvanov 13 December 2013 12: 35 New
      +1
      Fine, don’t climb, kill!
  • Stinger
    Stinger 13 December 2013 09: 42 New
    +7
    I don’t know, maybe Kiselev was mistaken, but I have never seen such a disgrace as to arrange a passage yard for some women-instigators from behind the cordon, with the distribution of cookies to “lower ranks in positions”. The case of Y. Gashek is described when noble ladies escorted soldiers to the slaughter. But their reaction was appropriate: Well, and these impudent whores. If only it would come out in the face, otherwise
    because a heron is a heron. Besides skinny legs, there is nothing, but scary as
    mortal sin, and a sort of old hag still flirting with
    soldiers! ..
    If only they would have stuck to the Old Man.
  • saag
    saag 13 December 2013 09: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Such areas as Lugansk, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Crimea and the Black Sea region are most likely to become part of Russia, although they will retain autonomy. The new territorial unit, according to Maximova, will receive a new name.

    Cool, just thinking about it, for example, they will become part of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and something like the Autonomous Republic of Eastern Ukraine
    1. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 13 December 2013 10: 31 New
      +1
      if they do, the word "ukraine" should be excluded from their name.
    2. Curculum
      Curculum 13 December 2013 14: 00 New
      +1
      http://politobzor.net/show-9552-google-protiv-pravdy-s-servisa-youtube-udalen-se
      rial-500-sekund-pravdy-ob-ukraine.html
  • HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 13 December 2013 10: 17 New
    +1
    It seems that all this Maidan was up to power itself (for which I don’t know), because it’s ridiculous not to disperse the crowd with Golden Eagle. Golden eagle is exposed with rag dolls. A poor peaceful demonstrator broke his finger when he beat evil policemen. Theater of the absurd. The old folk fun wall to wall was even tougher: you go out with a bruise but are pleased. Have you ever had to get a shield? I assure you, this is very unpleasant. And do not disperse the crowd? Clowning in one word.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 December 2013 11: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: HollyGremlin
      Theater of the absurd.

      “I found all this information on the sites chosen for broadening my horizons, where those who are in helmets on the other side of the barricades communicate. Immediately, there were no snipers. This is an invention of Euromaidan propaganda.

      There were special forces officers specially trained to free the hostages. According to their calculations, to throw hooks and climb the KSCA wall, drop in the windows and put all the guests in the “mayor's sanatorium” face down on the floor, they would need 5-7 minutes of strength. But there was an order not to move out of the shelter. Again, for reinsurance, so as not to "cover". As one captain wrote to another captain, "even if you don’t hit him on the head, he can hit him, and there will be blood."

      And then the opposition made a big mistake by staging a wide celebration of Victory Day over the "Golden Eagle". Because, if earlier the siloviki simply carried out the order, now they have begun to unite in social groups against the “ragul”. Resting in the Sports Palace, the Kozatsky Hotel and other rooms poorly adapted for life, they out of boredom turned into active users of social networks. Throw each other photos of steaming buses beaten by comrades, make photo-toads. This is the most popular one: “If there was an order, they would demolish you.” In fact, this is their speech, which capaciously conveys the mood "on the other side of the barricades." (G. Akimova, News)
      1. IIIIvanov
        IIIIvanov 13 December 2013 12: 38 New
        +2
        Yes, no matter how trite it sounds, but this is exactly the case. But Yanyk simply does not have the courage to give a command and detain hooligans for spoiling city property, for his loot, he is scammed in the west, and he does not care about the people.
        1. wax
          wax 13 December 2013 14: 02 New
          +2
          Yanukovych plays with fire, trying to save himself, but does not understand that everyone has already turned his back on him.
  • irongun
    irongun 13 December 2013 10: 57 New
    -4
    And what else remains to be done by the Kremlin common fund in such a situation. Naturally, only to carry all sorts of nonsense, to hang noodles on the ears of the Russian electorate. Fortunately, the Kremlin common fund has someone to do this dirty work. There are Kiselevs and Mammoths who do not hesitate to take advantage of any uncleanliness for the sake of dough. Those who do not have any normal human qualities (even a sense of their own dignity, a sense of disgust), are ready, according to the principle of "what you please", to scoop in a latrine and water it on anyone who does not want to follow the Kremlin common fund. Moreover, it does not matter where this road was laid by him or he wants to build it: in Russia, or in Ukraine, or in Germany, or in the USA. There is nothing surprising or strange in this. Kiselevs, mammoths and other ordinary lackeys, clicking their heels for their own survival in the country of Russia as a biological species. This biological species from the Stone Age inherited instincts that evolution could not influence in any way. Therefore, all of them, starting with the Kremlin common fund, stand up for the customs of ancient Russian ancestors, for their traditions unsurpassed for centuries. As one journalist aptly said: they themselves live as some kind of carrion and shove it to others.
    1. Moore
      Moore 13 December 2013 12: 04 New
      +6
      Yes Yes. Bloody oprichniki-silkworms are only for loot and capable of pouring poison.
      Whether it is the light white-ribbon elves historian "Akunin", who leaves no stone unturned from the ancient Russian carrion, truthful principled journalists from "Dozhd", the talented presenter Ksenia Sobchak, and, of course, the stronghold of free journalism - Posner. All of these, of course, work exclusively for the sake of universal human values ​​and give out to the mountain the holy unclouded truth.
      The use of the term "Kremlin common fund" is not entirely clear. From the point of view of the criminal world outlook, a common fund is such a bag of dough. But necessarily intended for the good of the thieves. I have big doubts that he is kept in the Kremlin and that he is involved in the formation of foreign and domestic policy.
    2. IIIIvanov
      IIIIvanov 13 December 2013 12: 40 New
      +1
      illiterate. More on this message and nothing to say.
    3. oaziss
      oaziss 13 December 2013 13: 20 New
      +2
      By the way, svidomyty quickly cooked up the answer Kiselev.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 13 December 2013 14: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: irongun
      It is natural only to carry all nonsense, hang noodles on the ears of the Russian electorate.

      Here is the "enemy's voice"!
      And what kind of "crazy nonsense" they are talking about
      Quote: irongun
      Kiselev, Mammoth and others
      ?
      Read the entire list, please! tongue
      Only a troll leaned out to strengthen "Svidomo"
    5. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 13 December 2013 15: 45 New
      +1
      ha-ha-ha, the last phrase about the carrion is very relevant for the Galician Natsiks like the organized crime group "freedom"
    6. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 14 December 2013 07: 55 New
      0
      if you belong to those who have lost the instinct of a predator (ceased to be a man - the herbivore is not from food), of course you are against those who cheat on you in real life, so you spit drool on the network .... obviously a hell of a life
  • jjj
    jjj 13 December 2013 11: 10 New
    +3
    If the Ukrainian government cannot take the liberty of putting things in order, if the power structures are helpless, then probably we must wait for another government, another statehood. In its current form, Ukraine has survived itself.
  • VL33
    VL33 13 December 2013 11: 39 New
    +1
    I will say very simply that there is a seizure of power by the West and the use of the paid-for-money DUKE paid. :))
    We must put things in order and stop groveling before the USA and Europe.
  • kle-petr
    kle-petr 13 December 2013 11: 45 New
    0
    Quote: ser86
    led a referendum where the majority advocated for European integration
    then "having learned" about the conditions of the IMF they refused to integrate, this brought people to the Maidan ...
  • kle-petr
    kle-petr 13 December 2013 11: 48 New
    +1
    For ser86: There was no referendum on European integration in Ukraine.
    1. oaziss
      oaziss 13 December 2013 13: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: kle-petr
      There was no referendum on European integration in Ukraine

      I confirm! I will say more - it will not be, as the vast majority of Ukrainians are for the vehicle.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 December 2013 12: 10 New
    +3
    Yes, this can’t be called a jamb, if you really reach for the truth, then all the sub-European media are not worth watching at all.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 13 December 2013 12: 50 New
    +3
    Dear commentators, is it really incomprehensible that the Galician Nazis hate Russia at the genetic level, therefore, no economic and other arguments are important to them, it is important for them to secede from Russia forever, but they certainly understand that they themselves will not live without the industrial east and south, so by all means pull to Eurogey and them, the center of Ukraine, as usual, sits on two chairs "both ours and yours." Therefore, it is not necessary to hold on to the whole of Ukraine, even if they sign the Customs Union (which is absolutely unrealistic now), then all the same, the Galician Westerners will pull everyone into the Eurosodom, it is better to let them join the EU, and in a couple of years this sub-state will finally become impoverished and fall apart into separate pieces , then it is necessary to annex the southeast and loyal regions of the central part of Ukraine, but naturally not as a subject of international law, but as an object, that is, just a territory
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 14 December 2013 17: 13 New
      0
      in your version all Ukraine will be Galicia. After all, over the years of Independence, approximately since 2004, when they took up the whole of the South East, starting with language and history, they still try to knock out the "Russian crap" out of us.
      They will kick it out and we will all be "shirimy Ukrainians" but for now we are conscious Ukrainians and want order and integrity of the country (Westerners also want this, but they are used for something else)
      It’s bad when the country is between a rock and a hard place.
  • Valmar
    Valmar 13 December 2013 13: 28 New
    +9
    A bit of Tyutchev, especially for Ukrainians ..;
    Vain work - no, you will not understand them, -
    The more liberal, the more vulgar,
    Civilization is a fetish for them,
    But their idea is not available to them.

    As you bow down before her, gentlemen,
    You do not get recognition from Europe:
    In her eyes you will always
    They are not servants of enlightenment, but servants.

    F.I. Tyutchev. 1867
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 13 December 2013 13: 52 New
    +5
    I will say this: Ukrainians are my brothers, in any case I consider you as such. Everyone has the right to make his own choice, if you decide to go to the European Union in Ukraine, it wakes me up, maybe a tear will go down your cheek, but nevertheless I will humbly accept your choice. But if you are fed up with Western licimerism, deception and substitution of concepts, if you are disgusted to see how colossal pressure from the West is exerted on your homeland, if you do not understand from what binge the US Secretary of Defense has the audacity to call your legally elected president and indicate " with "peaceful demonstrators" "(and all this against the background of harsh crackdowns in the US itself). If you do not understand and are tired of the fact that outlaws and ambassadors of Western countries are protesting on the main square of Ukraine, if you need help, then I think that not only I, but the entire Russian people will come to the rescue and drive out this game-European rag with rags. Russia will not abandon its brothers, but only if this is a sincere request, if stones are not thrown in the back behind it with the next "Russians enslaved us." Yes, Russia is perhaps the only country that is capable of replacing the broken west. But I do not think that I personally or anyone else would want to help for the sake of what in 20-50 years we would be called occupiers again, that we would be called “rapists of innocent women and erected monuments in honor of this.
    If you need help, the Russian people will help, if not, it's your choice ...
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 14 December 2013 17: 24 New
      0
      Well, in terms of Going to the EU - no one really wants to know about the requirements (true and not chants), but most of them generally want to go in the opposite direction (Southeast) - this is not a referendum to say that we want to go here or here. No one truly knows the numbers of those who wish. But many authors want to present these figures for their propaganda.
      Acceleration in Ukraine is the most bloodless. We can be proud of many things.
      1-We have a democracy .. do what you want
      2-you can seize state institutions to call for a coup to attack the explosives and you will not be anything. Democracy)
      3-BB-do very little damage to all this democratic outburst. Little blood - democracy triumphs, bloodless pogroms and more ..
      that is, absolutely what you want to do.
      Of course, I am against anarchy, but in democracy Ukraine can be built on a pedestal - true democracy. Almost every day the crowd can change the government)
      Well, and about to expel representatives and ambassadors. Yes, it will be serious. And Russia is unlikely to intercede. If the GDP gave an accurate guarantee and instructions would quietly delete them. Well, and so the internal affair. The Russian people are unlikely to come, even if we did so. Understand with us the external enemy and the internal (deceived or conscious part) which is at the beck and call of the external. To make the whole world enemies - and that's all, I already see Democratizing missiles in the sky .. and no one will help us. I even dare to suggest that there will be comments - They themselves are to blame .... although some will regret
      1. Rusich51
        Rusich51 14 December 2013 18: 07 New
        0
        Crystal, meaning to drive out the ambassadors from the Maidan, with their cookies and jam.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 13 December 2013 13: 53 New
    +5
    Ah, Ukraine - Ukraine ... laughing
  • air wolf
    air wolf 13 December 2013 15: 22 New
    0
    but I would leave it as it is, let them figure it out, only in case of victory of the neuromandans, i.e. our we will help them than we can!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 17: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: air wolf
    but I would leave it as it is, let them figure it out, only in case of victory of the neuromandans, i.e. our we will help them than we can!

    You can, of course, leave .. Here are the only ones later on the swamp and Red Square will waving blue flags + Amer and NATO and Makeini with Bzezhinsky Chubais Novodvorskaya, etc. they will go hand in hand, smiling sarcastically and give out chupa-chups (free of charge) to "true patriots of their own or not their homeland" .. God forbid to live up to this ..
    1. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 14 December 2013 07: 59 New
      0
      but in Russia this will not fail ((((I’ll climb onto the roof and from there I will throw boulders at revolutionaries whom God will send, and there will be hundreds of people like me
  • Averias
    Averias 13 December 2013 17: 26 New
    0
    Quote from the film "Heart of a Dog" by Mikhail Bulgakov:

    Prof. Preobrazhensky - "And dear Ivan Arnoldovich, do not read Soviet newspapers before dinner"
    Dr. Bormental - "So there are no others!?!?"
    Porf. Preobrazhensky - "Don't read any"

    The analogy I think is clear. I look at the news according to the principle - I looked - "I divided it by 70", then what is left by 70. But what is left, perhaps, may be true.
  • cooper
    cooper 13 December 2013 21: 28 New
    0
    I read, smiled :))))))))))))))
    Kiselev, as always, in shock, or the fervor of his phobia.
    At the moment, civil servants in Kiev are forcibly sent to a rally in support of the current government. (Saturday-Sunday) I wonder how Kiselyov will comment on the intelligentsia rally .......
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 13 December 2013 22: 03 New
      +1
      This is when, who, who pi..l in Kiev - the main reason for buza?
      Or, as Stirlitz rightly remarked, "they found a new way to fight"?
      And what kind of phobia does Kiselyov have?
      He does not consider, like the leadership of Russia, and the vast majority of citizens, Ukraine’s attempt to squeeze into the EU is positive for our countries.
      So what? Which of these?
      Phobia is more likely for those who stupidly chant in the cold: Ukraine-tse Europe.
      Why did it become so abruptly Europe? what 20 years of collapse - and, done, "already" Europe!
      And, true, straining the throat, they mean Germany, France, and not Albania and Romania.
      that's where the phobia is!
      1. cooper
        cooper 13 December 2013 23: 28 New
        0
        it’s not a matter of what Kiselev and others think of themselves. A positive or negative attempt doesn’t matter. The main thing is our choice. (don’t think that the south and east are so much for the vehicle). But even this is not the main thing. Power and cops are overgrown to the edge. and Maidan is growing out of IT. It's not about the money and Europe. The authorities are too much.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 14 December 2013 10: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Cooper
          The main thing is that this is our choice. (Do not think that the south and east are so for the vehicle).

          Quote: Cooper
          It’s not about money, and Europe. The authorities are too hot.

          Personally, I don’t think anything about the south and east, because I have lived there for a long time, and I am often now, since my relatives live there.
          And the authorities got too much, that's for sure. But Europe will help us deal with the authorities. lol Or if Yanukovych signed an agreement, which none of the "who made the choice" read properly, would the authorities be forgiven for all sins?
          And generally speaking, who are you for making a choice? Was there a referendum? Or are they afraid to carry it out? After all, an Odessa citizen and a Banderlog from Galicia are "two big differences." yes
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          2. Cristall
            Cristall 14 December 2013 17: 49 New
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            An agreement is always a text for the people (slogans of a bun) and the true text of an agreement (not for reading by the press), so there’s a big difference
            There is no difference between Odessa and Lviv. Another thing is when they start to howl that TS propaganda is anti-state and should be prohibited (they generally like to howl for any reason and forbid something there),
            and in Odessa, it doesn’t come to mind to declare and declare the local authorities, well, for example, that Odessa to abandon the Ukrainian language in advertising, in films, documents and others. So with EU advertising do.
            It would be fun to know that our municipality recognized Bandera as a criminal and forbade its symbolism ... I would be very proud of the city.
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 13 December 2013 21: 30 New
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    normally he told everything. and you can interpret any plot. in Ukraine they know how. in Ukraine, many have satellite TV and they can watch everything for themselves
    1. cooper
      cooper 13 December 2013 21: 52 New
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      oddly enough in Kiev everything looks different. I don’t notice that there are crowds of fascists and gays on the streets. Fascists, of course, are somewhere, but they are bastards hiding. Homics are more and more on the big stage. Vaughn "Freedom" with Tyagnibok Picketed Boris Moiseev's concert, they say there is no place for gays on the main stage of the country.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 13 December 2013 22: 10 New
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        Great to see in the distance!
        Why should Tyagnibok, since he is such an opponent of gays, not picket the German blue minister Westerwelle?
        1. cooper
          cooper 13 December 2013 23: 34 New
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          the German minister probably doesn’t advertise his blueness in all channels. I don’t like gays either, but I like Mercury and Tchaikovsky. I don’t urge you to delete Hercules and Alexander the Great from history books, but I would have forbidden to show some showmen on TV.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 14 December 2013 10: 40 New
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            Quote: Cooper
            the German minister probably does not advertise his blueness in all channels.

            Well, no way, sir!
            He was in the entom case, not Hercules, of course lol , but married (i.e., he was gay) to the same peasant, and said, so schulo! laughing And others, publicly, are calling for the same. But, for Tyagnibok, it does not matter.
            His strong point is not "anti-yukkism", but anti-Russianness.
            Tell me who your friend is ...
  • USNik
    USNik 13 December 2013 22: 30 New
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    Instead, Kiselev — like a god — decided to swap dates and events.
    Controversially, the article is a minus.
    But, nevertheless, thanks to the author for the excellent video that gave the whole European Union and other European intercessors on the tinsel, the rest of the article is some kind of wild insult and not comfort in the fifth point! Kiselev and the new RT are exactly what was not there but was greatly lacking! Let the Western financial tycoons and "banksters" who arranged many small-town and global stock market crashes of everything and everyone, Trans National Companies are killing the environment wherever they are or planning to be (hello to shale miners) and aggressor states arranging bloody bacchanalia around the world, they know that now they can't just get away with it. They will flaunt in the spotlight of a large, strong, adequate and dedicated news company. Good luck!
  • Borz
    Borz 13 December 2013 22: 48 New
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    It was the thirty-third month of the slow Ukrainian revolution.

    Klitschko, Yatsenyuk and Tyagnybok still came to the Maidan. They did not speak, but were silent. There was no point in speaking, the masses already knew everything. It was an amazing act of unity, when leaders and the masses understand everything without words. Only the wind waved the ensign, and there was the cry of a raven circling in the air.

    From time to time, the crowd was handed out a letter No. 33 from Yulia Tymoshenko. It was immediately sent to the furnaces of numerous bourgeois.

    On Bankova, Sergey Levochkin and Andrey Klyuyev were sitting in a large room with a large monitor, where a picture from the Maidan was shown. They played chess. Also without words. Sometimes the door opened and Viktor Medvedchuk entered the room. He looked at them inquisitively, then said: “Well, yes, well, yes,” and left.


    The IMF unsuccessfully offered money to Ukraine, but no one came to take it already.

    In Brussels, everyone wore embroidered shirts because they realized that they were stuck for a long time.

    The USA bombed the Middle East. And at the word “Ukraine”, Victoria Nuland closed her eyes in horror.

    Kwasniewski bought an apartment on Lipki and lived. Together with Coke. Sometimes I went to Tymoshenko.

    Sikorsky often cried. He just cried, and at night it was heard how he, sobbing, shouted: “Psheklonte, mother of fool!”

    On KSCA went cows and goats. There they lived.

    Gardens were visible on the slopes of Maidan, and strong villagers worked there, whom tourists liked to photograph.

    On the Maidan itself many children ran. Strong kids. The fruits of love "Golden Eagle" and women of the Maidan. Doctors were frightened at first that at birth they shouted “Get!”, “Zrada!”, “Ganba!”, And then they got used to it. Maidan children, what to take from them ...

    Panties and faded posters hung on tents. The underpants were dried, the posters simply didn't bother anyone.

    Viktor Fedorovich Yanukovych hunted in Sukholuchye. Many wild boars got divorced there, and in general everything was x * y.

    This is Ukraine, friends. This is a slow Ukrainian revolution.


    People’s correspondent.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 14 December 2013 17: 54 New
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    thanks for the humor. I read it with pleasure.