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China does not admit that it copied a drone from Russia and tests it.

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China does not admit that it copied a drone from Russia and tests it.

China conducted a test of the Lijian drone, which was found to be extremely similar to the Russian Skat unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). Lagging behind other countries in the development of military aircraft, the PRC only recently launched a copy of the Russian carrier-based fighter into industrial production.


About the 20-minute test flight drone "Lijiang" in an unidentified test center in the south-west of China told the site Want China Times. According to the publication, photos of the new UAV appeared on Chinese sites in May of this year. Creating such drones like Lijian, Wing Loong and CH-4, China is gradually catching up with the United States and Israel in the development of unmanned aerial vehicles, the site says.

But the Russian magazine "Military Parade" questioned the authorship of the PRC: according to Russian journalists, the "Lijiang" is a copy of the Russian drone "Skat". Moreover, the Chinese aircraft can use the RD-33 engine mounted on the Skat.

At the same time, a professor at Peking University aviation and astronautics Huang Jun categorically denies the accusation of the Russian magazine. According to him, the Chinese drone may well be similar to the American X47-B and the Russian Skat, but this is only due to the fact that all unmanned aerial vehicles are designed in this way.
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  1. bomg.77
    bomg.77 12 December 2013 10: 09
    +9
    The Chinese no longer even wait laughing Airplanes will soon be making photos laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 10: 23
      12
      Professor Huang Jun of the Beijing University of Aviation and Cosmonautics has categorically denied the accusation of the Russian magazine. According to him, the Chinese drone may well be similar to the American X47-B and the Russian Skat, but this is only due to the fact that all unmanned aerial vehicles are designed in a similar way.
      Immediately struck by the phrase PROFESSOR-question professor of what, copy laughing
      And then what he said, well .... everything, as always, came, saw, repeated winked
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 12 December 2013 10: 36
        14
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Huang Jun, a professor at the Beijing University of Aviation and Astronautics, flatly denies the accusation of the Russian magazine. According to him, the Chinese drone may well resemble the American X47-B and the Russian Skat, but this is only due to the fact that all unmanned aerial vehicles are designed in a similar way.

        Yeah, and the H-6, J-7, J-8, J-11, J-16, Y-7, Y-8 are like other planes, because everyone has two wings and a tail. laughing
        1. Dusk
          Dusk 12 December 2013 13: 43
          +2
          And where is their second wing then?
          It seems that all of the monoplanes listed above ... Ie, having one wing and two planes. repeat
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CC%EE%ED%EE%EF%EB%E0%ED
          1. Dusk
            Dusk 12 December 2013 17: 47
            +3
            Those two zamusnovuvshih people, then explain what I was wrong!
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 12 December 2013 23: 59
              0
              Quote: Dusk
              And where is their second wing then?
              It seems that all of the monoplanes listed above ... Ie, having one wing and two planes.

              Quote: Dusk
              Those two zamusnovuvshih people, then explain what I was wrong!

              You are right, I exaggerated to the philistine jargon. You two +. hi
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 12 December 2013 12: 18
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The phrase PROFESSOR- immediately catches your eyequestion professor what, copy

        I'm afraid that one of ours just sold the documentation specifically for "Skat", because we've heard about "Skat" for a long time, but things are still there, and the design bureau, seeing the "hopelessness" of the project, decided to quietly sell it.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2013 13: 48
          +3
          an interesting situation .. China is stealing from us, we are going to buy from Arabs ... the logic is not about request cakes ...
    2. A.YARY
      A.YARY 12 December 2013 10: 26
      +1
      I remember the heated debate, "Does Russia need unmanned aircraft?"
      Do I need it? Do I buy it? Can we do it ourselves? How much and which ones?
      While we argue, and as some here have correctly noted
      jepu mnem

      Everyone is building them!
      It’s time to harness it faster to ride as fast!
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 12 December 2013 10: 26
      12
      Quote: bomg.77
      Airplanes will soon be making photos


      Clarify by the photos of the layout. The one in the photo. There are no other stingrays. The development of UAV Skat has been carried out by RSK MiG since 2005 on an initiative basis.
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 12 December 2013 11: 01
        10
        Quote: Vadivak
        Clarify by the photos of the layout. The one in the photo. There are no other stingrays.

        Great clarification! The Chinese fly, but "copied" from what, from the layout?
        I would understand the accusations of copying when "Skaty" is not in a model, but has been tested and adopted by the Russian army, and so, I am ready to support those who are called "shit polymers", and not the author of the article in the magazine.
        1. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 12 December 2013 11: 10
          +2
          Quote: VadimSt
          Great refinement! The Chinese are flying, but they copied the layout!

          The layout, by definition, cannot be copied to a working copy, but the existing developments can be used to facilitate in-house development.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 12 December 2013 12: 05
            +1
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            By definition, a layout cannot be copied to a working instance,


            Why do you think I did the clarification?
            1. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 12 December 2013 15: 33
              0
              So I agreed. Maybe of course it was too much plus for the comment, but could not resist hi
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2013 13: 49
          +1
          not even half a year will pass, like the Chinese and EKIP will fly ... crying
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 12 December 2013 14: 06
            +1
            like the Chinese and "EKIP" will fly

            No .. will not take off. There are completely different technologies, the Chinese still have them ... like Zimbabwe to the moon - it seems and can be seen, but how to make xs.
            1. alex-s
              alex-s 12 December 2013 17: 31
              0
              What if there is already Zimbabwe on the moon! what
      2. avt
        avt 12 December 2013 11: 36
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        Clarify by the photos of the layout.

        Quote: VadimSt
        Great clarification! The Chinese fly, but "copied" from what, from the layout?

        good Yeah, for the lack of real flying models. They will soon declare that they copied from words, and some authors will demand royalties. Then Ragozin, for example, with a statement about a light fighter, can really raise the dough, if he proves. bully
        1. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 12 December 2013 11: 58
          +1
          You can laugh, but the stub of an apple does just that.
      3. Scoun
        Scoun 12 December 2013 12: 19
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        The development of the UAV Skat is carried out by RSK MiG since 2005 on an initiative basis.

        This is another argument in the direction of what they could sell to the Chinese ....
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 12 December 2013 19: 45
          0
          Quote: Scoun
          This is another argument in the direction of what they could sell to the Chinese.

          And the fact that our engine is suitable does not mean copying the technical part, or can any UAV use the RD-33 engine installed on the Skat?
      4. alone
        alone 12 December 2013 20: 47
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        The development of UAV Skat has been carried out by RSK MiG since 2005 on an initiative basis.

        while the RSK MIG was developing the BLPA on an initiative basis, the Chinese took possession of it, copied it, and now they are testing it. But it was impossible to make the initiative turn into a state order? For a long time it was already possible to make it.
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    5. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 12 December 2013 11: 03
      +2
      Just think adequately. Realizing the backlog, just copy. Yes, the copy is inferior in something to the original. But billions of yuan in R&D and lots of time have been saved. Take the mass. What is stronger, one original or ten copies? Given that copies are becoming better! hi
    6. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 December 2013 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Chinese no longer even wait laughing Airplanes will soon be making photos laughing

      This is if someone didn’t merge them with the documentation ...
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 12 December 2013 11: 22
        0
        Quote: Warrawar
        This is if someone didn’t merge them with the documentation ...
        This cannot be ruled out.))
    7. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 12 December 2013 12: 11
      0
      Most likely ours sold in 90, like many other technologies, and then we complain ...
    8. AVV
      AVV 12 December 2013 13: 34
      0
      That’s how much a thief, don’t grab his hand, he will always say that he’s not guilty! And the price is worthless, to his statements !!!
    9. Siberian German
      Siberian German 13 December 2013 03: 43
      0
      and with us, and with drawings with a creak, they collect a lot - especially civil
  2. Apollo
    Apollo 12 December 2013 10: 09
    +7
    Quote-At the same time, professor at the Beijing University of Aviation and Astronautics Huang Jun categorically denies the accusation of the Russian magazine. According to him, the Chinese drone may well be similar to the American X47-B and the Russian Skat, but this is only due to the fact that all unmanned aerial vehicles are designed in a similar way.

    China never confesses. You might think that they ever confessed to something ?!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 December 2013 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      China never confesses. You might think that they ever confessed to something ?!

      It’s like in a joke about the Petrovs, if anything they took it, they will never admit it ...
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 12 December 2013 10: 26
      0
      They admitted that they eat everything that creeps, flies, swims.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 12 December 2013 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: Apollon
      China will never confess.

      Why do they confess? It goes into their own hands. We strive to sell the latest weapons that are not able to equip our army, and then we begin the witch hunt. Azir hi
    4. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 12 December 2013 13: 11
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      China never confesses. You might think that they ever confessed to something ?!

      And there’s nothing to add ... To the very point ...

      This friendship began to cost us very dearly ... And isn't it time to send this "molded sidekick" to the "jade pillar" or to the "jasper gate"? ..
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 12 December 2013 17: 34
        0
        I'm afraid it's too late! No.
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    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 December 2013 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: S-200
      . while we chop chop they don’t waste time in vain ...

      Yes, handsome. They think about their state, without regard to copyright. If your opponent has a gun and you don’t have money to buy it, it’s not a sin to steal it. hi
  4. major071
    major071 12 December 2013 10: 10
    +8
    If China admits to copying a drone, then it will also have to admit that more than half (yes, almost all!) Of the weapons they "commandeered" from other countries and are producing without a license. The question simply arises - when will they run out of carbon paper?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 December 2013 10: 20
      +6
      Quote: major071
      The question simply arises - when will their carbon paper run out?

      But the PAPERS, the Chinese themselves invented. Therefore, it will not end lol
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 12 December 2013 17: 35
        0
        It will not end until the forest in the Far East ends.
  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 12 December 2013 10: 12
    +6
    Something I have not heard that in Russia this "Skat" flew and generally tested. The layout was presented, and stealing the layout .... it's somehow already delusional in itself.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 December 2013 10: 20
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      The layout was presented, and to steal the layout ...

      The Chinese have always been the first in industrial espionage. I would not be surprised if the filling of the drone is made according to our drawings and those. documents. With the venality of our officials, this is not surprising. hi
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 12 December 2013 11: 33
        +1
        Well, to begin with - was there a filling?
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 12 December 2013 13: 16
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          Well, to begin with - was there a filling?

          If sound, then it should (at least at the design stage). It will always be developed together with the aircraft ... But the glider is also worth something ...
          However, in any case, the external similarity is very alarming. Especially when it comes to engineering miracles originally from the Middle Kingdom ...
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 12 December 2013 14: 04
            0
            If sound, then it should (at least at the design stage).

            I agree. But .. for working out the glider, especially the new type and configuration (and for us such a glider, in such dimensions, we can say a step forward), the simplest remotely controlled unit is quite suitable. Even if it collapses, it’s not a pity.
            However, in any case, the external similarity is very alarming.

            And me not too much. Whatever one may say, the flying wing will remain a wing, only the outlines will be slightly different. And the installation locations of air intakes and engines will change. Therefore - the air intake on the face, - the first and logical thing that comes to mind, otherwise - depends on the level of specialists in aerodynamics.
            But nevertheless, commentators are right in some ways, it is unlikely that they could have done without stiff calculations from TsAGI.
  6. Simon
    Simon 12 December 2013 10: 13
    0
    I wonder how the samples or drawings of our developing "Skat" got to China? After all, everyone knows that the Chinas are very good at licking.
    1. Guun
      Guun 12 December 2013 10: 27
      0
      I wrote that a huge number of sec. Documents from the 90s flowed into the PRC, and even the brains flowed there, although not much. Soon prototypes of the Soviet era will appear, and at the expense of Scat, I already wrote that it was the Chinese who had it, the Americans, by the way, also made their own attack drone in his image.
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  7. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 12 December 2013 10: 15
    +1
    "Yes, we are innocent! We do not do everything that looks like others and mobile phones look like famous brands, and clothes, but what can I say, our planes and tanks also accidentally resemble well-known Russian equipment!" - says the representative of China, - "It comes out by accident."
  8. Archikah
    Archikah 12 December 2013 10: 15
    +1
    As practice shows, everything that they stole to them for good does not go. Of course, this is similar to the original, but never reaches the capabilities of this original. So spit on these rats and do not pay attention. am
    1. Guun
      Guun 12 December 2013 10: 30
      0
      Quote: Archikah
      As practice shows, everything that they stole to them for good does not go. Of course, this is similar to the original, but never reaches the capabilities of this original. So spit on these rats and ignore

      After all, YOUR specialists and Ukrainian (bought) help them to make this weapon. Spit? Please, they do not care - they copy, buy, improve, but they rivet them like pies. But they are helped from KB from all over the world - money does not smell.
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  9. Bober
    Bober 12 December 2013 10: 16
    +2
    Unfortunately, the first years of friendship between the PRC and America have developed the first quality of hard pragmatism and everything and everything that exceeds the benefits is necessary for everyone. How much work has to explain to them that this is not a sign of the mind. Such a trick = cunning% opost and succeeds at most several times, and then in cases of large credit of trust. Then with such behave differently. They are smiling. Oh well.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 12 December 2013 12: 27
      0
      Unfortunately, the first years of friendship between the PRC and America have developed the first quality of hard pragmatism and everything and everything that exceeds the benefits is necessary for everyone.

      I strongly suspect that the Chinese were so even before Columbus discovered this America.
  10. twister
    twister 12 December 2013 10: 16
    +1
    This all is not Chinese ..... this all is shaitanama .... am
  11. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 12 December 2013 10: 25
    +1
    Eh, there would be SOMETHING to steal. "Skat" is an unfinished product, although the resemblance to the X-47 shows that they were going in the right direction.
  12. makarov
    makarov 12 December 2013 10: 32
    0
    so after all, only in the movie of a thief writes surrender
  13. Victor-M
    Victor-M 12 December 2013 10: 34
    +1
    Our fellows will invent, create a model, show the whole world, and others will make a prototype - our partners. We still lack confidence and mobility in such matters. request
  14. Bykov.
    Bykov. 12 December 2013 10: 35
    +5
    ... China does not admit that it copied a drone from Russia, and conducts its tests ...

    An incident is coming, in which - a COPY will be adopted earlier than the ORIGINAL!
  15. USNik
    USNik 12 December 2013 10: 48
    +2
    Quote: Wedmak
    Something I have not heard that in Russia this "Skat" flew and generally tested. The layout was presented, and stealing the layout .... it's somehow already delusional in itself.

    +1 Some kind of insanity. Soon the Khetais will start copying what does not exist yet. We are waiting for a heartbreaking article with a title like "PAK-DA in Russia only on paper, and the Chinese clone is half a year in the shop ..." The Chinese are great fellows, silently and consistently take the best from everyone a little and work, work, work. Instead of yelling at every corner about lost polymers.
  16. S-200
    S-200 12 December 2013 10: 49
    +2
    Yesterday, Dm. Ragozin in parliament said that ...
    "WE have exhausted that huge scientific, technical and design potential in the defense industry which we inherited from the USSR. "
    Remember, colleagues ... without clinking glasses ... drinks
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 12 December 2013 10: 52
      0
      Quote: S-200
      ... Remember, colleagues ... without clinking glasses ...

      ... Ragozina ?!
      1. S-200
        S-200 12 December 2013 11: 00
        0
        Quote: Bulls.
        Quote: S-200
        ... Remember, colleagues ... without clinking glasses ...

        ... Ragozina ?!

        wassat
        alas, Soviet science and design schools ...
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 12 December 2013 11: 36
          0
          Quote: S-200
          ... alas, Soviet science and design schools ...

          No, I'm sure everything is much more optimistic there, but in order not to relax, from time to time, you have to scare.
  17. mountain
    mountain 12 December 2013 11: 24
    0
    Scribe, China without Russia, therefore, is being stolen, armed to protect our minds and technologies from the EU and the Anglo-Saxons. I have no other explanation. angry
  18. morpogr
    morpogr 12 December 2013 11: 25
    0
    Chinese professor named Xerox.
  19. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    0
    China right some country printer
    1. avg
      avg 12 December 2013 12: 07
      +2
      Yeah, a printer sprinter. Faster host print.
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 12 December 2013 11: 41
    0
    Friends and partners can not so shamelessly rip off everything that is available for viewing. The statements of the Chinese "comrades" that China and Russia are strategic partners is a screen, behind which trivial theft takes place.
    You might as well to call them "partners" - an ordinary citizen and a pickpocket who robbed him.
  21. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    0
    When our arms shipments to Korea and Vietnam went through China, the Chinese did not copy anything, they literally stupidly stole weapons directly from the trains.
  22. avg
    avg 12 December 2013 12: 01
    0
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    Friends and partners can not so shamelessly rip off everything that is available for viewing.

    Well, why are you like that. They are friendly. Here they have planes similar to ours and spaceships, and air defense systems. Now aircraft engines are asked to do together. In a word, partners. request
  23. shpuntik
    shpuntik 12 December 2013 12: 26
    0
    But Russian magazine "Military Parade" questioned the authorship of the PRC: according to Russian journalists, "Lijian" is a copy of the Russian unmanned aerial vehicle "Skat". Moreover, the Chinese aircraft can use the RD-33 engine installed on the Skat.

    Firstly: I liked that the word "RUSSIAN" appeared, already progress.
    Second: something tells me that China is being helped to get military technology, not only they themselves steal, copy. A similar case was with the nose of the F-22, one in one turned out from the Chinese.
    http://www.kitaichina.com/se/txt/2011-01/14/content_325271_2.htm
    I conclude: China is preparing for the Great Campaign to the North.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 12 December 2013 12: 31
      +4
      Noses are similar only because of the laws of aerodynamics. In fact, they have different sections and elongations. The Chinese generally look like a stoned gull - all the feathers are in a fist.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 12 December 2013 15: 45
        0
        Wedmak RU Today, 12:31 ↑
        The Chinese generally look like a stoned gull - all the feathers are in a fist.

        Well, yes, but the "stoned seagull" has a solid-drawn flashlight. We don't have that. Follow the link. There is no smoke without fire, a rumor has long been circulating that the Sha nose was sold from the Raptor.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 12 December 2013 16: 02
          +1
          Well, yes, but the "stoned seagull" has a solid-drawn flashlight. We don't have that.

          So what? Will this help him greatly with his size and Russian engines? Well, he does not look like a fighter. Bomber, attack aircraft.
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 13 December 2013 04: 26
            0
            Wedmak RU Yesterday, 16:02 ↑
            So what? Will this help him greatly with his size and Russian engines? Well, he does not look like a fighter. Bomber, attack aircraft.

            Will help a lot. In the end. Take 2 tons less and fly.
            Let's not underestimate the "partner". Their hands are constantly in motion, heredity. It will not work, they will redo it. Technology, even theory, should not be allowed to leak. Moreover, to sell machines like the Su-35, aircraft-carrying cruisers, etc. etc.
  24. kair_kz
    kair_kz 12 December 2013 12: 33
    +2
    Well, yes, they admit ...
  25. silver_roman
    silver_roman 12 December 2013 12: 53
    +2
    to create (steal) glider geometry is not even half the battle ...
    it seems to me that it’s much more difficult to create aircraft equipment ...
    This is confirmed by the su-33 they stole: the glider is ready, but there is no sense.
  26. killganoff
    killganoff 12 December 2013 13: 28
    +1
    With the pace of development of Chinese science and technology, Russia itself will begin to copy technology from China.
  27. WIN969
    WIN969 12 December 2013 14: 39
    0
    Well, if I copied it means it flies.
  28. Altona
    Altona 12 December 2013 15: 43
    +1
    At the same time, professor at the Beijing University of Aviation and Astronautics Huang Jun categorically denies the accusation of the Russian magazine. According to him, the Chinese drone may well be similar to the American X47-B and the Russian Skat, but this is only due to the fact that all unmanned aerial vehicles are designed in a similar way.
    --------------------------------------
    Apparently, under his leadership, the apparatus was "fooled" ...
  29. rudolff
    rudolff 12 December 2013 18: 03
    +1
    But how proudly it sounds, how self-esteemed it is: the Chinese are copying our stealth drones! In-oh, how cool we are, however, edrit through the rocker! And it doesn't matter at all that we don't have such stealth, that the only wooden-plywood model, right after that PR show at MAKS, was pushed into a distant factory site and left to rot, and it's not a fact that the Skat model was in the chimney at all. By the way, about the pipe. At TsAGI, aerodynamic research and "blowing in a chimney" are carried out for everyone for a reasonable fee, including the Chinese. And the design of the glider will be offered, if anyone is interested.
  30. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 12 December 2013 22: 57
    0
    How can you copy something that isn't there? Pictures, layouts, etc. does not count - I myself can draw a "promising" super-duper-mega-ultra-papelats, copy to your health! hi
  31. duchy
    duchy 13 December 2013 06: 38
    0
    Guys, we have a proverb "They harness for a long time, but they drive fast." There are many things in our country that are not in the world. The most annoying thing is that for some reason "all" is done by others. It is a pity that it is impossible for the old "harnessing people" to stand up to the wall, while others will be put in, they will quickly harness and ride. drinks