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Westerners are not Slavs, but descendants of the Celts and Jews

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Westerners are not Slavs, but descendants of the Celts and Jews

We all know that, along with Belarusians, Ukrainians are the closest relatives of the Great-Russian nationality and together these three ethnic communities make up the Russian people. However, there is a small nation whose representatives call themselves Ukrainians, in fact, they are not. Moreover, in their genotype they are not even Slavs. This is the so-called zapadentsy.


The belonging of a person to a particular people is not at all determined by the language in which he speaks, but by his genetics. If Ukrainians, Great Russians and Belarusians according to the human population genetics laboratory of the Medical Genetic Research Center of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences are mostly people wearing the R1a1 haplogroup, most of the Westerners are carriers of the R1b haplogroup that has a relationship with Western Europeans. Of course, R1a1 is also present in them, but if among Great Russians, Poles, Belarusians and Ukrainians, its share is from 48 to 60 percent in various populations, then among Westerners the number of its carriers does not exceed 16 percent, while the proportion of carriers R1b, to which among the eastern and central Ukrainians only 2% of the population belongs, among the Westerners it is 44%. The fact is that in the territory where zapadents now live, in ancient times it was not the ancestors of the Slavs, but the Celtic population.


Reconstruction of the Celtic village, excavated in Western Ukraine.


The fact that Westerners are in fact Celts, was first guessed by the Czech ethnographer Lubor Niederle at the end of the nineteenth century. The first monument of purely Celtic origin was found in 1962, near the village of Bovshev, in 11 km from the ancient Galich. It was a craft complex - the workshop of the Celtic potter, with a lot of inventory. Subsequently, other Celtic monuments were excavated in the west of Ukraine. In total, over 200 Celtic burials were found in those places. Many Celtic words are preserved in the zapadensk dialect. Something remains in toponymy. For example, researchers associate the name Boikovschina with the ethnonym of the Celtic tribe of fights. And the very name of Galicia comes from the Gauls. Some even managed to keep the Celtic ethnonyms. So, in Western Ukraine and in Slovakia, there is a tribe of Verkhovinians, who call themselves buoys.


- habitat of the Celts in the middle of I millennium BC.
- part of the territory of modern Ukraine, inhabited in ancient times by the Celts.

However, this is not the most interesting. The most interesting thing is in which haplogroups are the remaining 40% zapadentsev. Approximately half of these 40 percent carry the J1 haplogrpa. The other almost half carry the J2 haplogroup. Many people don’t have to explain what the haplogroups are: these are the Semitic haplogroups. Their carriers are Jews and Arabs, as well as the nationalities of Dagestan, now by language not related to the Semites.

The ancestor of both haplogroups - haplogroup J originated on the territory of the present Arabian 37 peninsula thousands of years ago, even when the sea level was 120 meters lower than the present and Red Sea because of the ice age, and Arabia was a continuation of Africa.

Subsequently, this haplogroup was divided into J1 and J2, but judging by the fact that both J1 and J2 are present in the genotype of modern Jews, this separation occurred after the Jews became Jews, and the Arabs became Arabs.
Where did the Semitic genes come from?


Jews of Galicia in 1862 year


Jewish townships in the west of present-day Ukraine appeared at the time of Kievan Rus. So, in the Volyn there existed the Jewish city of Zidichin, and in Vladimir-Volynsky there was a Jewish quarter. The fact is that the trade route of rakhdonites from Khazaria to Western Europe passed through Volyn. This road was a chain of Jewish towns and cities with Jewish quarters.

The number of Jews in these places increased dramatically after medieval Poland became a kind of Jewish reservation. One of the Polish kings, Boleslaw the devout, in 1264, introduced the so-called Kalisz Statute, according to which the death penalty for the murder of a Jew was assigned to the murderer and the confiscation of all his property. The Kalisz Statute also contained a prohibition against imposing charges of ritual murder on Jews, which was severely punished. In the area of ​​economic activity, Jews were guaranteed complete freedom of trade, and were also allowed to lend money, both under obligations and on the security of personal property.

It is precisely because of the existence of such legislation that Poland has become a refuge for Jews who were expelled in those times from most European countries. Since Ukraine at that time was under Polish domination, Polish gentry handed out Ukrainian lands to Jews. It was the exploitation of the Ukrainian peasants by the Jews that at one time caused the uprising of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, during which all the Jews of Eastern Ukraine were expelled or exterminated. However, in the western part of Ukraine, the Jews not only survived, but also multiplied by the arrival of refugees from its eastern part.

But how did the Jewish genes appear in the West? Everyone knows that in order to be considered a Jew it is necessary for a Jewish woman to be a mother. Jewish father does not make anyone a Jew. In addition, Jews did not enter into mixed marriages at all. However, this does not mean that the Jews did not go to the left. It was risky to do this in his place, where everything was under the tight control of the kagala - they could have been separated from the synagogue. Therefore, we had to go left to the local residents. Some were really excommunicated from the synagogue - not only for adultery, but also, for example, for theft. Such outcasts also had to go to the village to the Aborigines and marry local women.

There is also a small number of carriers of the haplogroup E1b1b1 among the Westerners. Its carriers were the ancient Egyptians, and the Jews borrowed it from the Egyptians during their stay in Egypt in the II millennium BC. However, as it does not seem strange, Adolf Hitler was a carrier of the haplogroup E1b1b1.
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  2. tomket
    tomket 12 December 2013 09: 07
    40
    Well, it's good that they are not descendants of immigrants from Alpha Centauri.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 December 2013 09: 19
      14
      The author’s favorite channel is REN TV, Theory of Misconceptions. He grabbed everything in a heap, desired and real. When you start to pull the facts under the theory, and not such a pearl will work. Game on associations and emotions. fool
      1. skullcap
        skullcap 12 December 2013 13: 48
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Favorite channel of the author to see REN TV

        And do not say!
        Already got this channel all sane people. The pyramids will be excavated somewhere in China or in the Balkans, although every educated person who graduated from high school is well aware that there are pyramids only in ancient Egypt and almost as ancient Central America.
        That will start to pump up something about aliens, as if they live not in the 21 century, but in the middle of the past dark 20, when the naive scoops (and they are not alone, by the way) were fooled by all sorts of different Tsiolkovsky. Although world science has long been absolutely and precisely established that we are the only ones in the Universe.
        But in general they will begin to carry some kind of pathetic nonsense from a far-fetched conspiracy theory, which, naturally, is not and cannot be.
        And after all something they still manage! I remember well the times when in a decent society it was embarrassing to mention the word "Mason", as it is now "alien." And now this word is flogged by all and sundry!
        Not only that: it is they who are accused of attempting a global conspiracy! At the same time, any educated and sensible person absolutely knows that if masons exist in nature, their heads are occupied not with any conspiracies, but only with the problems of preserving the habitat of the Shanghai tiger and the refusal of women from natural fur coats.
        I suggest you, as a person with an active lifestyle, to organize and lead the national movement for the closure of REN TV
        1. Tambov we ...
          Tambov we ... 12 December 2013 14: 26
          13
          It is a pity that you call, as a church hierarch, to dwell on previously developed dogmas. And nobody knows the real history of the development of terrestrial civilization. Perhaps on REN TV they go too far, but you need to think about it. Today there are already few who want to identify with the Darwin monkey.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 12 December 2013 15: 31
            15
            Quote: We are from Tambov ...
            Today there are already few who want to identify with the Darwin monkey.

            Who knows what they want, they don’t want! Take a look at our maidanutyh and realize that Darwin is right!
            1. Tambov we ...
              Tambov we ... 12 December 2013 16: 04
              +6
              These are no longer civilizational processes. This is the stomach, sciatica, and optic nerve. Those. consumer, wisely heated from the West.
              1. Cristall
                Cristall 14 December 2013 18: 40
                0
                if we take the entire time period for 100%, then we were only 3% (preloaded) of conscious educated people
                and 97% were animals ...
                we are savages already under the thin shell of civilization. Our whole life instincts)
                it’s just that instincts can be used to control and control others through them.
                1. Vasilich09
                  Vasilich09 30 January 2014 20: 04
                  +1
                  It was you who were animals, and We were always REASONABLE.
            2. smile
              smile 12 December 2013 18: 44
              +3
              Egoza
              Here you are right. But personally, it disturbs me that some fall into childhood - whoever called the first Jew is right ... :))) Some kind of schizophrenia ... As I wrote, Bandera is a Jew, yeah ... strongly said. :))) Israel hid in anticipation of territorial acquisitions at the expense of Western Ukraine and began raising funds for a monument to the great son of the Jewish people Stepan Bandera. :))))
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 12 December 2013 15: 38
            +1
            Quote: We are from Tambov ...
            Today there are already few who want to identify with the Darwin monkey.

            Yes, it is clear that Darwin burst with his theory, but REN TV offers so many that their ears fade. What to believe then? There is an active staining of the truth when a bunch of misinformation is issued in parallel. In principle, you want to hide well, roll out and lay it out in plain sight. REN TV and dumps all this to us, along with a bunch of waste products of the body. hi
            1. Tambov we ...
              Tambov we ... 12 December 2013 16: 09
              +3
              I do not condone REN TV, this is their rating chip, but the topics that they raised in the hope of attracting them now hit them painfully. They did not have the patience to present the information. They dump tons into the audience, forgetting about the necessary dosage. It’s like giving a hungry man a bunch of grub, from which he will die - an inversion of the intestines.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 12 December 2013 19: 35
                +3
                Quote: We are from Tambov ...
                They dump tons into the audience, forgetting about the necessary dosage. It’s like giving a hungry man a bunch of grub, from which he will die - an inversion of the intestines.

                No, they do not forget, they do it intentionally. For the same purpose, pagan literature is being actively disseminated, there is also a lot of truth, but what are the goals of the distributors? This undermines the belief in Christianity. I believe that Christianity, for all its ambiguity, unites the Russian people, and undermining its foundations with books such as the Blow of the Russian Gods, the goals of dividing the people are achieved. Yes, these books contain a large part of the Truth, but people as a whole are not yet ready for its perception. And although I am essentially closer to pagan views, now I need ONE Faith, and paganism at this stage is not uniform, and will cause contradictions in society. And REN TV actively indulges this growth of contradictions. You have another week with Maksimovskaya look, she is still a champion of liberal values. The only things you can watch on this channel are Zadorny’s concerts. hi
        2. kris
          kris 12 December 2013 14: 43
          +6
          Quote: kosopuz
          I got this channel of all sane people.


          Quote: kosopuz
          I suggest you, as a person with an active lifestyle, to organize and lead the national movement for the closure of REN TV

          and did not try to use the remote control? laughing
          1. alone
            alone 12 December 2013 20: 14
            +4
            Quote: kris
            and did not try to use the remote control?


            lol Michael, maybe he has a Soviet tube TV, no remote control?)) wassat
        3. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 12 December 2013 19: 01
          +3
          Quote: kosopuz
          That pyramids are excavated somewhere in China or in the Balkans, although every educated person who graduated from high school is well aware that the pyramids are only in ancient Egypt and almost the same ancient Central America.

          You are mistaken, in Bosnia there is a pyramid, more than a pyramid of a cheops, do not believe it, but it is. We don’t know much about our past, or maybe we don’t know anything at all.
      2. skullcap
        skullcap 12 December 2013 13: 48
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Favorite channel of the author to see REN TV

        And do not say!
        Already got this channel all sane people. The pyramids will be excavated somewhere in China or in the Balkans, although every educated person who graduated from high school is well aware that there are pyramids only in ancient Egypt and almost as ancient Central America.
        That will start to pump up something about aliens, as if they live not in the 21 century, but in the middle of the past dark 20, when the naive scoops (and they are not alone, by the way) were fooled by all sorts of different Tsiolkovsky. Although world science has long been absolutely and precisely established that we are the only ones in the Universe.
        But in general they will begin to carry some kind of pathetic nonsense from a far-fetched conspiracy theory, which, naturally, is not and cannot be.
        And after all something they still manage! I remember well the times when in a decent society it was embarrassing to mention the word "Mason", as it is now "alien." And now this word is flogged by all and sundry!
        Not only that: it is they who are accused of attempting a global conspiracy! At the same time, any educated and sensible person absolutely knows that if masons exist in nature, their heads are occupied not with any conspiracies, but only with the problems of preserving the habitat of the Shanghai tiger and the refusal of women from natural fur coats.
        I suggest you, as a person with an active lifestyle, to organize and lead the national movement for the closure of REN TV
      3. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 13 December 2013 20: 51
        +1
        Nonsense, of course, the whole article, but how it warmed the soul, only because it is such a delicious spit in the Western fascist face. Not all the same, they distort the history in their favor, even if they distort it. Their lard over the wort.
      4. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 14 December 2013 20: 42
        +1
        I have repeatedly read in various sources that Jewish blood also flowed in Hitler’s veins. Probably the other part of the blood hated the first, therefore, it destroyed the ancestors of the first ...
    2. domokl
      domokl 12 December 2013 09: 22
      +9
      laughing It’s not yet evening ... As soon as at least one alpha-centauri appears, it may well turn out to be so laughing
      1. tomket
        tomket 12 December 2013 09: 27
        21
        I think an amazing fact will soon come to light that Ukrainians strangely cut fat in the form of the constellation Alpha Centauri, what is it like not the genetic memory of the ancestors?)))) And the frequent use in the everyday speech of the famous -CEE ???? right - Centauri. And these are the first steps in guessing the undeniable facts.)))))
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 12 December 2013 09: 44
          16
          wassat Give Alpha Centauri to Ukraine !!!! wassat
          1. domokl
            domokl 12 December 2013 09: 49
            +8
            Quote: A.YARY
            wassat Give Alpha Centauri to Ukraine !!!! wassat

            Well done !!! I threw a cool idea ... And then some Americans are selling the Moon to their summer cottages. And this same centaur will be more ... You can sell so much ... UUUUh, it’s breathtaking how much money can be cut for free .. . lol
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 12 December 2013 10: 01
              +6
              allow me to participate:
              "The Trypillian culture is one of the ancient agricultural cultures of the Copper Age. It developed over the IV-II millennia to the AD and was spread from the southeastern Carpathian region and the Dnieper. Its founders were the long-time Ukrainians-pioneers, who are still for the most part distortedly called Aryans. It was they Oriy (or Oriyani) who began the culture not with a sword, but from a plow, from growing bread. They were the first to tame a horse, invented a wheel and a plow, laid a furrow, sowed rye and wheat, baked the carpet, which he carried to the world ... This is how the Ukrainian peasant began, who carried his arable culture throughout the IV-II millennium BC to China, India, Mesopotamia, Palestine, Crete, Egypt, Italy, to the Balkans, to Western Europe and Scandinavia. These routes were restored on the Georgian maps by V. Danilenko and L. Klein. And the Tripolyeans had something to spread. The agriculture they developed lasted 5 thousand years. Until the end of the XNUMXst millennium AD, not only methods and timing of mudflow agricultural crops, but also the main varieties of cereals.

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              1. uhjpysq1
                uhjpysq1 12 December 2013 16: 37
                +8
                )))) ancient Ukrainian
                1. alex-s
                  alex-s 12 December 2013 17: 06
                  +5
                  And from maydanutykh well, no different !!!
              2. Sashko07
                Sashko07 12 December 2013 18: 07
                +3
                in Ukrainian schools, if you did not know, they study two stories - Ukrainian and world, in the world almost everything is studied that was studied under the USSR, including the Great Patriotic War, etc. Also in Ukrainian schools, if anyone did not know, two literature is studied, Ukrainian and World, more than half of the world is a work of Russian poets soldier .
                1. es.d
                  es.d 12 December 2013 18: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Sashko07
                  in Ukrainian schools, if you did not know, they study two stories - Ukrainian and World, in the world almost everything that was studied was studied under the USSR, including the Great Patriotic War, etc.

                  And how do these two stories coexist? Poor kids sad
                  1. Cristall
                    Cristall 14 December 2013 18: 47
                    +1
                    bad ... suffice it to say that I am a lover of stories
                    I love and now re-read the history of the Ancient World, the Middle Ages, New, but with Ukrainian history, trouble ... there you start to read another Subtelnoe, you can tolerate it, but later there begins anger at the authors and outright fornication. In general, the history of Ukraine turned into a kind of confrontation for me at school. In the lesson, I ask and I say - in this book like that, but in the other, on the contrary, I tend to trust the second more than the textbook.
                    If I would get a lesson on the glorification of OUN Bender .. I would get 2 but say what I think in practice) I will also help children to teach history as well.
                    However, the trouble with the "stories" at all. Teach or help the children understand the truth for themselves. If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children. Do not save children - surrender.
                    1. es.d
                      es.d 14 December 2013 20: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Cristall
                      However, the trouble with the "stories" at all. Teach or help the children understand the truth for themselves. If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children. Do not save children - surrender.

                      I agree. I will not even touch the poor History. Different schools have different textbooks. Tasks are really in a stupor. For me, with a "late Soviet" technical education, it is difficult to understand analogies like: banana - seven bagels
                2. Tambov we ...
                  Tambov we ... 13 December 2013 19: 40
                  0
                  I finished 10 classes in the Luhansk region in 1979. Then we already had a textbook of the History of Ukraine. True, very thin, albeit with a hard cover.
            2. S-200
              S-200 12 December 2013 14: 02
              0
              Quote: domokl
              Well done !!! I threw a cool idea ... And then some Americans are selling the Moon to their summer cottages. And this same centaur will be more ... You can sell so much ... UUUUh, it’s breathtaking how much money can be cut for free .. .


              but I have some doubts ...
              Within Garden Ring Moon ..so yes! But here for MKADOM Solar System ... request
              and even more so in the area Muhosra? Ska Alpha Centauri! negative
          2. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 12 December 2013 16: 00
            -6
            Ukrainians on Alpha Centauri. Get))))))))))
        2. avg
          avg 12 December 2013 09: 46
          21
          The article is not true! All Svidomo firmly know that they are the oldest UKRs, from which that Darwin monkey originated, and from which the Hyperboreans Jews and other Gauls came ... sad
          1. Nuar
            Nuar 12 December 2013 10: 07
            13
            Quote: avg
            The article is not true!

            The article is generally a turd. A small Brazilier remains a small Brazilier, regardless of whether he is white, black or with Indian blood. And this is correct if you live in your country, speak its language, pay taxes, etc. - you are a "citizen", a "patriot".

            The article deals with racist theories. Can you start measuring skulls?

            Pe Se. In the Union, the Buryats were Russian - are there a lot of Slavic blood in them? I also remember the dock film about the Brest Fortress. There, one of the surviving defenders was interviewed, well, he went on to tell: "and then our Russian hurray will break out." Everything would be fine, but the speaker was a bit (about 100%) Armenian.
            1. operrus
              operrus 12 December 2013 10: 34
              +8
              Here are a few points of view, choose to your liking. The author’s point of view is closer to me.
              1. alexng
                alexng 12 December 2013 11: 01
                15
                The author is wrong and here's why. Zapadenec is a mixture of Romanian-Hungarian-Pshek, and from Ukrainians they have only MOV. This is such an explosive mixture in the end and turned out. And by their nature, Romanians, Hungarians and Psheks are very similar - an innate hatred for other nations. They are "zapadlentsy" even pure-blooded Ukrainians are considered second-class people.
                1. sichevik
                  sichevik 12 December 2013 12: 14
                  18
                  SW Alexander, if you may, I’ll correct you a little. Still, it is worth adding a little Jewish blood to this explosive mixture. Because there are so many of them settled there since the Middle Ages.
                  Yes, and Mova Galitsa significantly different from the true Ukrainian. The same hellish mixture of Romanian-Magyar-Pshek with a predominance of Russian-Ukrainian surzhik. They also speak with some strange accent and very quickly. I grew up in the South-East of Ukraine, studied Ukrainian for 10 years at school, I am fluent in it. but sometimes I don’t understand the first time people from Western Ukraine.
                  I also want to add a lot of acquaintances from Western Ukraine, and believe me, among them there are a lot of decent and adequate people, not all of them are so maydown as those who are trying to arrange a coup d'etat in Kiev.
                  1. Vasilich09
                    Vasilich09 30 January 2014 20: 44
                    0
                    Quote: sichevik
                    It’s worth adding some Jewish blood to this explosive mixture.


                    Why a little? The author claims that 40 to 40 and only 20 of the rest. I agree with him.

                    On the border with the Austro-Hungarian Empire, ethnic groups intermixed and the children of these interethnic marriages, like all "mudbloods", imagined themselves to be a special, chosen people (some "ancient Ukrainians"), superhumans, and the ethnic groups surrounding them - "subhumans."

                    This is purely compensatory behavior. It is known that always tries to float up. It is these ethnic geeks that are flawed by the mind that are the basis of any racism and Nazism, as its varieties.

                    So it was with the oldest Jewish racism and the new Zionism.
                    So it was with Italian fascism (a mixture of Jews and Italians).
                    So it was with German Nazism (a mixture of Jews, Western Slavs, Austrians, Germans (Bavarians, Saxons, etc.).
                    So it was in the Baltic states - a complete cocktail of ethnic groups.
                    Same thing in Poland, USA, UK, etc.
                    Everywhere degraded Mudbloods nourish fascism, Nazism, and other radical nationalism.

                    By the way, take a closer look at the Fuhrer of "Russian nationalism" and you will not see a single not only Russian, but also Slavic face ...
                    And that is characteristic, all these genetic cocktails mortally hate their same genetic component ...
                2. Vasilich09
                  Vasilich09 30 January 2014 20: 33
                  0
                  Quote: alexneg
                  The author is wrong and that’s why. The Zapadenets is a mixture of Romanian-Hungarian-Psheks, and from the Ukrainians they only have mov.


                  But does the author contradict this?

                  He just dug deeper into history. After all, the population of Austria-Hungary is the same explosive mixture of Celts and Jews ...
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              3. Vasilich09
                Vasilich09 30 January 2014 20: 22
                0
                Quote: operrus
                The author’s point of view is closer to me.

                Me too...
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            3. Lukich
              Lukich 12 December 2013 12: 02
              +5
              Everything would be fine, but the speaker was a little (about 100%) Armenian.


              ... and what haplogroup did the great Russian poet Comrade Pushkin have ???
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 12 December 2013 12: 24
                14
                Quote: Lukich
                ... and what haplogroup did the great Russian poet Comrade Pushkin have ???

                And did he really preach the subordination of Rus to the language, laws and customs of the African continent? And the Galicians, by the way, everywhere try to plant their dialect, customs and pass them off as Ukrainian. They are leading "Ukrainianists" than the Poltava and Chernigovites! I'm fucking three unfortunate regions dictate to everyone else inhabited by ethnic Slavs (including Ukrainians!) what real Ukrainians should be! I have no words ...
              2. uhjpysq1
                uhjpysq1 12 December 2013 16: 42
                +2
                Russians have a surname on the male line. This is his mother - Nadezhda Osipovna Hannibal
            4. Tambov we ...
              Tambov we ... 12 December 2013 14: 42
              -1
              Russian is not just a Slav. Russian is a product (common name) of the assimilation of an expanding empire. Well, like a type of Byzantine or Roman empire. Or, as it is now, American. Nationalities - American - no. There is no British nationality, there are Angles, Saxons, Irish, etc. So there is no Russian nationality. There are Slavs, Ugro-Finns, Bashkirs, Tatars, even the Kyrgyz, whether you want it or not. So there is no Ukrainian nationality and Belarusian. There are nations - Russian, Ukrainian, American, British (there is no English except the language), Afghan, Indian, Chinese, etc. The Third Reich, also a nation, even if someone does not like it. There are very few mono-states with a pronounced national sign.
              1. Tambov we ...
                Tambov we ... 12 December 2013 16: 32
                +1
                So cons quietly flooded. You justify the controversy, why hide?
            5. Tambov we ...
              Tambov we ... 13 December 2013 19: 45
              0
              And measuring skulls is NECESSARY. I couldn’t pick up a headset, I had to fly in the winter (they have larger sizes). :)
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          2. GDP
            GDP 12 December 2013 11: 03
            +5
            The article smacks of nationalism, we must look for a common, something that unites us, and not what separates us ...
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 12 December 2013 11: 22
              10
              Quote: GDP
              The article smacks of nationalism, we must look for a common, something that unites us, and not what separates us ...

              What do you want to find common with them ?? Do you even know what ideas Galicia promotes?
            2. avt
              avt 12 December 2013 13: 07
              12
              Quote: GDP
              The article smacks of nationalism, we must look for a common, something that unites us, and not what separates us ...

              Yeah !? With what kind of "brotherly" joy it is with Tyagnibok and the gang to look for something in common!? We have only one thing in common - our grandfathers of these Hitler's lackeys from "Galicia" in their tail and mane ... , otherwise so many old ghouls at the demonstration would not come out there. Article plus, and not even for "scientific research", but for the fact that, having finished with the intellectual complexes, the author planted the great ukram using their own method, and even genetic. good And the fact that the proto-ukry of the State Department with our “liberoid human rights defenders" got pissed off. Here we have little else about how the Deputy Secretary of State of the USA Nuland fed her mongrels with cookies on the Independence Square on the Maidan. And these shots are expensive! marsh about ,, agents of the State Department ", when they expose the real facts of an adult. Here about ,, Surkov's propaganda" do not remember anymore, here and here redzhkovy, nemtsov often need to poke their liquid .... poke.
              1. Vasilich09
                Vasilich09 30 January 2014 21: 22
                0
                Bravo. That is how these "idiots" are.
            3. URAL72
              URAL72 12 December 2013 15: 26
              12
              we need to look for the common, that which unites us, and not that which divides us ...

              Now is not the time. We need to save what is left by disconnecting the cancerous tumor in the form of these 3 areas. And when they will win under Gay-European Poland, then you are welcome, to the Ukrainian (or better " stop Black Sea ") AUTONOMOUS republic of the Russian Federation. Even as a separate autonomous, but region ...
              1. alex-s
                alex-s 12 December 2013 16: 52
                +3
                I agree +++
              2. revnagan
                revnagan 12 December 2013 17: 01
                +3
                Quote: URAL72
                And when they will conquer under geyropeyskoy Poland

                Do not conquer for several reasons:
                1) they are not accustomed to treating the European masters;
                2) The West will not strongly "pinch" them in opposition to the rest of Ukraine (they say, look, they joined the EU and now everything is wonderful. Not like you, stubborn people). Well, like with the Baltics.
              3. Tambov we ...
                Tambov we ... 13 December 2013 19: 52
                0
                No autonomy! - only regional subordination. And so already did stupid things in the 20s, when 15 sisters invented.
              4. Vasilich09
                Vasilich09 30 January 2014 21: 26
                0
                Quote: URAL72
                It is necessary to save what remains by disconnecting the cancerous tumor in the form of these 3 areas.


                See Here - http://malchish.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=53351#p53351
            4. uhjpysq1
              uhjpysq1 12 December 2013 16: 44
              +1
              drink Russian vodka is also nationalism))
            5. Vasilich09
              Vasilich09 30 January 2014 21: 14
              0
              Quote: GDP
              The article smacks of nationalism, we must look for a common, something that unites us, and not what separates us ...


              Yes Yes.

              Seeking something in common with the fascists is, of course, democratic, but disengaging with them is, of course, "nazianalizm".

              Ugh, what absurdity this liberalism can bring ...
          3. morpex
            morpex 12 December 2013 11: 16
            +9
            Quote: avg
            The article is not true! All Svidomo firmly know that they are the oldest UKRs, from which that Darwin monkey originated, and from which the Hyperboreans Jews and other Gauls came ... sad

            Nonsense of course, utter nonsense. But it reminded me of an old anecdote. There was such a republic under the USSR. Kabardino-Balkaria. Both the Balkars and the Kabardians do not harbor, shall we say, a great "brotherly" Love for each other. Well, as recently, some Russians to the proud U.K.R.AM as you here deigned to express and vice versa.
            They are sitting in a restaurant, a Balkarian is at one table, a Kabardian is at another. Well, the Balkar is drunk and let him think I’m mocking the Kabardian. He called the waitress and said:
            -Girl! Do you know that Kabardians have sexual relations with donkeys?
            “What are you?” the waitress was amazed, “right?”
            -Yes, and with the donkeys indulge, -Balkarian went into a rage.
            The amazed girl approached with a bit and resolutely asked the Kabardian:
            -Is it true that you "sleep" with donkeys, donkeys?
            “Really,” the Kabardian answered calmly.
            - How so ?! And what comes of the result?
            - like what?! Balkarians .... laughing
        3. Sergey Sitnikov
          Sergey Sitnikov 12 December 2013 14: 01
          0
          The constellation Centaurus, alpha is only one of its stars, litter I do not try to offend or insult, however, you blurt out to a smart heifer (constellation alpha centaurus) and fall in her eyes ...
      2. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 12 December 2013 10: 55
        +9
        Wow! Look at the map. The Galicians are the same English, the tilki are not the same.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 12 December 2013 09: 55
      43
      Quote: tomket
      Well, it's good that they are not descendants of immigrants from Alpha Centauri.


      But what to take Ukrainian Yulia Tymoshenko.

      Father - Vladimir Abramovich Grigyan, nationality - Latvian !!!! Grandfather - Abram Kelmanovich Kapitelman - well, definitely Latvian.
      Mom Russian - Nelepova Lyudmila Nikolaevna.

      Ukrainian learned Ukrainian Tymoshenko in 1999.
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 12 December 2013 09: 59
        19
        Quote: Vadivak
        Father - Vladimir Abramovich Grigyan, nationality - Latvian !!!! Grandfather - Abram Kelmanovich Kapitelman - well, definitely Latvian. Mom Russian - Nelepova Lyudmila Nikolaevna.


        Even as strange as a Latvian, not a lawyer :)
        1. Vasilich09
          Vasilich09 30 January 2014 21: 49
          0
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          Even as strange as a Latvian, not a lawyer :)


          It’s strange that Kapitelman, and not Sakharov, Gutalinov or Watermelons ...
      2. haron
        haron 12 December 2013 10: 09
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        But what to take Ukrainian Yulia Tymoshenko.

        And what does Vona have to do with the region specified in the article?

        There are some strange conclusions about the Celts. I do not understand - are they bad or subhuman? Well, there is Celtic blood in zapadents and in the Czechs, but the French have so much! So what?

        It smacks of racism.
        1. morpex
          morpex 12 December 2013 11: 33
          -4
          Quote: haron
          It smacks of racism.

          Typical attitude towards foreigners. Example? You are welcome:

          Caucasus, Asia - h..ki, sheep .. you need to water you
          Ukrainians-h..ly, oranzhoidy, UKR, maidanutye, svidomity
          Poles - Poles, Psh..i,
          Swedes - received a little near Poltava,
          Europeans are gay people
          americans - pin..sy,
          Muslims - mus ... we
          etc.
        2. Anatolich
          Anatolich 12 December 2013 11: 53
          +5
          Born in the Bryansk region, from the 11th to the 13th century, the Mangolo-Tatars, the 13th-15th century, the Polish-Lithuanian invasion, from 1941 to 43 the Germans were, since it is not known whose blood is in our veins request
          1. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 12 December 2013 13: 03
            +2
            Right! They came up with another new nation - the Westerners! What kind of nation is it, where did it suddenly come from now? What roots can we talk about if there is no such nation? What nonsense is the author talking about? Recently, Lukashenka remarkably said: “As a historian, I don’t understand at all what kind of nation this is - American? Not long ago negros in America were slaves, but now they declare their own exclusiveness.”
            1. skullcap
              skullcap 12 December 2013 14: 00
              +7
              Quote: Valkyrie
              They invented another new nation - zapadentsy! What kind of a nation, where did it suddenly come from now? What roots can we talk about if there is no such nation?

              100 years ago there was no such nation as Ukrainians. 150 years ago there were no Romanians. There were no earlier Italians and even Germans. And now officially exist.
              So the whole thing is behind the world machine of "independent" Means of Information Manipulation.
            2. skullcap
              skullcap 12 December 2013 14: 00
              0
              Quote: Valkyrie
              They invented another new nation - zapadentsy! What kind of a nation, where did it suddenly come from now? What roots can we talk about if there is no such nation?

              100 years ago there was no such nation as Ukrainians. 150 years ago there were no Romanians. There were no earlier Italians and even Germans. And now officially exist.
              So the whole thing is behind the world machine of "independent" Means of Information Manipulation.
          2. predator.3
            predator.3 12 December 2013 15: 01
            +4
            Quote: Anatolich
            Born in the Bryansk region, from the 11th to the 13th century, the Mangolo-Tatars, the 13th-15th century, the Polish-Lithuanian invasion, from 1941 to 43 the Germans were, since it is not known whose blood is in our veins request


            I can say the same about myself, the South Ural was generally considered a gateway, more precisely "the gateway of the peoples", who just did not roam here, and the Sarmatians, and Aryans, Turks, Huns, Magyars, etc. fellow
          3. RUSS
            RUSS 12 December 2013 15: 06
            0
            Anatolich, how many children from the Germans were born in the 40s?
          4. Vasilich09
            Vasilich09 30 January 2014 21: 57
            0
            Quote: Anatolich
            from 11th to 13th century mangolo-tatars


            The Mongol-Tatars do not come from Mangal, but from mongol. drinks
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 12 December 2013 12: 41
          +5
          Quote: haron
          Well, there is Celtic blood in zapadents and in the Czechs, but the French have so much!

          The Czechs and French, unlike the Banderlog, do not shout that they are true Ukrainians, and only their dialect is the correct "Ukrainian mova", and only they and their national heroes are the heroes of Ukraine, and all the rest are byaka, and if these the rest do not want to live in Western style, they need to be killed.
          1. oaziss
            oaziss 12 December 2013 13: 15
            +2
            Quote: revnagan
            Czechs and French, unlike Banderlog, do not shout that they are true Ukrainians, and only their dialect is the correct "Ukrainian mova"

            It would be strange if both the Czechs and the French suddenly declared themselves Ukrainians for some reason. Isn’t it?
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 12 December 2013 17: 07
              +6
              Quote: oaziss
              It would be strange if both Czechs and French suddenly declared themselves Ukrainians.

              It’s strange for normal people that Galicians declare themselves to be Ukrainians, and more real than Poltava, Chernihiv, Kharkiv ... And they impose their vision of the world on the rest of Ukraine. And where do they have the right to speak on behalf of all Ukraine? such a Ukrainians? Or how in a joke, a Jew crossed the border, everything, became Russian?
        4. Vasilich09
          Vasilich09 30 January 2014 21: 53
          0
          Quote: haron
          It smacks of racism.


          That sho you, goodness. More beautifully with anti-semitism ... wink
      3. Nick
        Nick 12 December 2013 10: 43
        +6
        Quote: Vadivak
        Father - Vladimir Abramovich Grigyan, nationality - Latvian !!!! Grandfather - Abram Kelmanovich Kapitelman - well, definitely Latvian.
        Mom Russian - Nelepova Lyudmila Nikolaevna.

        Wow, but the appearance is quite nice ...
      4. morpex
        morpex 12 December 2013 11: 27
        12
        Quote: Vadivak
        But what to take Ukrainian Yulia Tymoshenko.

        so in the Rada, as well as in the Duma, add here practically the entire oligarchy of Russia and Ukraine, all of them are such "internationalists".
        Guys guys .. wassat
      5. alex-s
        alex-s 12 December 2013 11: 45
        11
        Then on her head is not kalach, but matzo! lol
      6. smersh70
        smersh70 12 December 2013 13: 06
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        Vladimir Abramovich Grigyan

        let .. let .. we disagree laughing so that the ending in yang was Latvian .. yeah what are you))) pure Armenian .... and Latvians all end in C ....
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 12 December 2013 20: 59
          +3
          and Guderian-Guderian then who, really laughing
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        3. Hudo
          Hudo 12 December 2013 21: 44
          +3
          Quote: smersh70
          Quote: Vadivak
          Vladimir Abramovich Grigyan

          let .. let .. we disagree laughing so that the ending in yang was Latvian .. yeah what are you))) pure Armenian .... and Latvians all end in C ....


          A favorite of Goering and Goebbels, Herbert von Karajan?
      7. Dimy4
        Dimy4 12 December 2013 14: 15
        +5
        Does her braid come loose? what
      8. Cherdak
        Cherdak 12 December 2013 16: 47
        +4
        And what a sweetheart was - spilled with Drew Barrymore!
      9. Cristall
        Cristall 14 December 2013 18: 52
        0
        Tymoshenko is not Ukrainian, but a profession ..
        hi sits ... writes letters to freedom .. it is desirable as Lenin with censorship .. otherwise
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    5. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 12 December 2013 09: 58
      +5
      Quote: tomket
      Well, it's good that they are not descendants of immigrants from Alpha Centauri.


      Why guess, the essence will not change, the zapadents is a direct synonym for rubber product number two in the pharmacy nomenclature.
    6. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 12 December 2013 11: 04
      +5
      Quote: tomket
      Well, it's good that they are not descendants of immigrants from Alpha Centauri.

      Judging by the fact that they are creating in their own country, you no longer know what to think ... Maybe helminths?
    7. datur
      datur 12 December 2013 11: 56
      +2
      [quote = tomket] Well, it’s good that they are not descendants of immigrants from Alpha Centauri. —Just wait, they’ll stand a little longer on the Maidan and not announce laughing
    8. datur
      datur 12 December 2013 11: 56
      0
      [quote = tomket] Well, it’s good that they are not descendants of immigrants from Alpha Centauri. —Just wait, they’ll stand a little longer on the Maidan and not announce laughing
    9. AVV
      AVV 12 December 2013 12: 07
      +3
      Descendants of Judah in a word !!! Yes, and for their deeds everything comes out !!! We are ready to betray anyone !!! What was very clearly visible during the time of the Great Patriotic !!!
    10. kris
      kris 12 December 2013 13: 32
      12
      I got an interesting picture.
    11. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 12 December 2013 13: 58
      +1
      Alpha Centauri
    12. atalef
      atalef 12 December 2013 17: 26
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      Well, it's good that they are not descendants of immigrants from Alpha Centauri.

      And I read that the Ukrainians descended from the Atlanteans, although taking into account one, that proved that Jesus was Ukrainian laughing everything can be belay
    13. atalef
      atalef 12 December 2013 17: 26
      -1
      Quote: tomket
      Well, it's good that they are not descendants of immigrants from Alpha Centauri.

      And I read that the Ukrainians descended from the Atlanteans, although taking into account one, that proved that Jesus was Ukrainian laughing everything can be belay
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    15. de klermon
      de klermon 12 December 2013 21: 34
      +4
      "... Dear editor! Maybe it's better about the reactor?"
      About your favorite moon tractor? It’s impossible, they’ll tear the year apart!
      I frighten with plates: they say, vile ones fly, then their dogs bark,
      They say they have ruins! .. "
      V.S. Vysotsky.
      PS ..
      Well, well, suppose this is so, but then what?
      Tymoshenko out of Ukrainian - only a surname and passport, and why?
      The essence of Ukrainian problems, unfortunately, is not in fossils, but in completely living turtles! ..
  3. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 12 December 2013 09: 07
    +8
    "However, this does not mean that the Jews did not go to the left."
    Deep conclusion! laughing
    Western Jews! Uzhzhzhzhas!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 14
      21
      Quote: Veteran's grandson
      Deep conclusion!

      And an excellent result, everything is on maidan Ukraine tse europe wassat
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 12 December 2013 10: 02
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And an excellent result, everything is on maidan Ukraine tse europe

        I support Alexander and the author of the article! hi
        From myself I will add.
        The article is good, correct, NEEDED!
        Among the people of Little Russians need to conduct outreach! good
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 12 December 2013 09: 07
    27
    Quote: retired
    Westerners are not Slavs, but descendants of the Celts and Jews
    I don’t know what they left of the Celts, but cunningness is present for sure.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 December 2013 09: 26
      11
      Quote: retired
      I don’t know what they left of the Celts, but cunningness is present for sure.

      I apologize in advance that the comment is not entirely in the subject, but gif the picture "made up" by me has (as stated:http://go-url.ru/djzp) attitude to the glorious South Palmyra, a multinational city - the hero of Odessa ...

      I wonder how much this erotic calendar has to do with the mentioned city?

      PS:Pay attention to the "Miss May" poster (although of course as girls, they ALL deserve SPECIAL attention love ), in which there is a clear attack in the direction of V.V. Putin ...
      1. ser86
        ser86 12 December 2013 09: 34
        +1
        and give a full-fledged original please)))
        Well, or a reference - it turned out well))
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 12 December 2013 09: 45
          +1
          Quote: ser86
          and give a full-fledged original please)))
          Well, or a reference - it turned out well))

          The link to the original is given in the comment, the gif file is "assembled" from screenshots of the images on the specified site yes
      2. IGS
        IGS 12 December 2013 09: 40
        11
        None. By the way, girls (specifically girls, not "girls", because some of them are 14 years old) and their parents were deceived by the Euromaidanists. the photo session was held for a shoe store, and there was no talk of any "greasy" inscriptions. An example that clearly shows the nature of European integrators.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 43
        +7
        Quote: Corsair
        ), in which there is a clear attack in the direction of V.V. Putin ...

        No, probably this is what Ukraine can really offer Europe laughing
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 12 December 2013 10: 12
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          No, probably this is what Ukraine can really offer Europe

          No, it’s rather the AUTHORITY wanted to offer All, and women and men ...
          But as my experience shows, a NORMAL woman will think 1000 times where to attach her ass.
          1. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 12 December 2013 11: 41
            +2
            In my opinion, Europe is full of Arab migrant workers, but 46 million Ukrainian workers are another matter. We can say that Ukrainians are also Europeans (after all, visually similar) and go ahead to develop European construction projects, factories ... garbage dumps.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 11: 52
            +3
            Quote: Corsair
            1000 times to think about where to attach your ass.

            First, the girls form their breasts, and then (maybe) brains appear.
        2. atalef
          atalef 12 December 2013 20: 30
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          No, probably this is what Ukraine can really offer Europe

          Actually, in reality, she can only offer ass ... in which their economy is located.
      4. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 12 December 2013 11: 10
        +8
        Parents of 17-year-old models sue the photo agency who used the photo shoot to advertise one of the shoe stores. Erotic calendar created with the aim of provocation of political forces. (Odessa. Dumskaya.net). Photos used without permission. Available for sale.
      5. pensioner
        pensioner 12 December 2013 11: 35
        0
        Normal calendar. Only in such an outfit, holding the flank on the Maidan will not work, not only for free, but even for a very, very paid ...
      6. Cristall
        Cristall 14 December 2013 19: 02
        0
        judging by the slogans, it looks like a banter
        But it is unlikely that the girls should have supported the opposition. They probably weren’t even in courses where this photo shoot was. Yes, and why. Well this is not Femen.
        Should be viewed as a banter over European integrators and not "in support of Euromaidan"
        I remind you that the local maydanchik was dispersed quickly, and in the city they still joke on jokes
        _I will not go more to the Maidan
        - Why?
        -I earned 200 UAH and the kidneys and the phone cost 2000 thousand UAH!
    2. Pit
      Pit 12 December 2013 09: 29
      +5
      Quote: retired
      but cunningness is present for sure.

      But this is from the Jews
    3. morpex
      morpex 12 December 2013 11: 48
      -2
      Quote: retired
      but cunningness is present for sure.

      If I, according to the logic of the author, Ukrokelt, though with the presence of Russian-Tatar blood, then I came from my ancestors with cunning. wassat By logic. Do you have what? Stupidity? Or round foot?
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 December 2013 12: 09
        +2
        Quote: morpex
        Do you have what? Stupidity? Or round foot?

        Do you have a sharpness or something?belay. Phenomenon you my friend lol.
        1. morpex
          morpex 12 December 2013 13: 39
          -2
          Quote: retired
          Do you have a sharpness or something? Phenomenon You my friend ...

          And we are all proud uk.s. the phenomena smile Ever since the days of the first Ukrainian Adam laughing
          Quote: IRBIS
          We do not focus on this, but it is not recommended to approach us from behind.
          To us all the more ... We are:
          Quote: retired
          Do you have a sharpness or something?

          You will cut yourself in the best case, or even completely without a farm! Yes, what are you there! We are not even afraid of the geyropa, so we have sharp and tricky asses ... laughing
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 12 December 2013 14: 08
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            You will cut yourself in the best case, or even completely without a farm!

            Well, I will not try - I disdain. And in Europe - do not worry, they will fine-tune and ... There are great masters in this area ... So: get ready ... Well, again: "There are no such convictions that you cannot part with for a sufficient reward ". Someone from the Europeans said at the time of large-scale church reforms they have. And your jokes, my friend, I see, are also not generated sharply from an excessmind... Well, in general, you understand me ...repeat
            1. morpex
              morpex 12 December 2013 14: 36
              +2
              Quote: retired
              .. Well, in general, you understand me ...

              Yeah, where do we go ... with our shareware poor mind ... (but notice, I didn’t start it. About a tricky ass, about an acute one .. So you don’t have to use your usual practice here, from a bad mind to a healthy one).
              Quote: retired
              And in Europe - don’t worry, they’ll give a shake and.

              We are ready. In Skolkovo, every UKRU has been ordered nanotruses ... Although it’s dumb with an order.
              1. chehywed
                chehywed 12 December 2013 18: 03
                +3
                And absolutely in vain you laugh at our prime minister. Do not look that in a suit, he is a real stalker. He looked into the PDA, prepared a bolt (you never know what, but suddenly an anomaly) ... And go!
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 12 December 2013 12: 17
        +4
        Quote: morpex
        By logic. Do you have what? Stupidity? Or round foot?

        We do not focus on this, but it is not recommended to approach us from behind.
  5. makarov
    makarov 12 December 2013 09: 08
    14
    Bureaucratism is from the German
    and laziness and slavery from the Tatars
    and curious to take a closer look
    where is the wine fume
    И.Г.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 December 2013 09: 12
      17
      Quote: makarov
      Bureaucratism is from the German
      and laziness and slavery from the Tatars
      and curious to take a closer look
      where is the wine fume

      If WINE, then apparently from the Greeks wink
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 December 2013 09: 37
        +3
        Quote: makarov
        where is the wine fume

        Quote: Corsair
        If WINE, then apparently from the Greeks

        The Egyptians in this respect were not angels either ... They could even get ahead of the Greeks in the development of the Crimea ... Commercials for 1000 years. I give Prokopenko an idea. Is free. It may develop ... But what ... A program called: "X are cool - the descendants of the pharaohs!" should interest anyone.
        1. I do not care
          I do not care 12 December 2013 09: 53
          11
          not agreed All have long known, the pharaohs are our descendants! laughing
        2. avg
          avg 12 December 2013 09: 57
          +3
          For the descendants of the pharaohs, it would be more appropriate
          Bureaucratism is from the German
          and laziness from Russians and Tatars
          but I can not decide
          vitkel innocent fume request
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 12 December 2013 10: 45
        +8
        Quote: Corsair
        If WINE, then apparently from the Greeks


        the Greeks drank diluted wine with water, and drove undiluted from the city for drinking, strongly condemned drunkenness. and here ...
      3. datur
        datur 12 December 2013 12: 00
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        Bureaucratism is from the German
        and laziness and slavery from the Tatars
        and curious to take a closer look
        where is the wine fume

        If WINE, then apparently from the Greeks --- but no, from the French !!! yes Celts, too, too !!!! wassat
      4. datur
        datur 12 December 2013 12: 00
        +2
        [quote = Corsair] [quote = makarov] Bureaucracy from us from the German
        and laziness and slavery from the Tatars
        and curious to take a closer look
        where the wine fumes come from [/ quote]
        If WINE, then apparently from the Greeks --- but no, from the French !!! yes Celts, too, too !!!! wassat or so, the ancestors of zapadentsev (and women and especially men), he personally GUY YULI CAESAR DROKED !!!! wassat general beauty !!!!
    2. domokl
      domokl 12 December 2013 09: 24
      +8
      Quote: makarov
      where is the wine fume

      Most likely probably from the French ... Or Italians ... From the north, vodka should be laughing
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 12 December 2013 09: 55
        +3
        like the Chinese came up with a distillation cube recourse
        1. officer29
          officer29 12 December 2013 11: 14
          +5
          A distillation cube was invented, perhaps by the Chinese, Arabs or Persians came up with alcohol under the wise guidance of Avicenna (Abu-ibn-Sina, judging by patronymic, maybe a Chinese ?!). Alcohol - the Arabic name, which means brilliant eyes. Well, vodka is already a purely Russian invention, a historically proven fact. In the 80s there was a big s.r.a.ch. between Poland and the USSR - who has the right to call vodka vodka. WE won by proving that vodka in Russia appeared almost 100 years earlier than among the Poles! good yes drinks
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 12 December 2013 21: 05
            +1
            Avicenna from Middle Asia.
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        2. alex-s
          alex-s 12 December 2013 11: 58
          +5
          I don’t know, my uncle invented the moonshine himself !!! drinks
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 12 December 2013 12: 23
            +3
            When they say a Chinese invention, take great doubt. Traditionally stolen, as now. How could gunpowder appear in China before cotton. Dandelions used. And the compass is a controversial invention, as is long-distance shipping.
            Well, the talent and ingenuity of our people is beyond doubt. In Japan and China, the magazines "Science and Life", "Technology of Youth", "Young Technician" were very popular, especially the sections where our Kulibins turned the selected scrap metal into seeders, winnowing machines, mowers and vertical take-off combines in a simple shed.
    3. officer29
      officer29 12 December 2013 11: 01
      +2
      From the Latins - "In vina veritas!" wink drinks
      1. st.lt
        st.lt 12 December 2013 23: 00
        +1
        well, yes, Aeneas swam to them
    4. Bezarius
      Bezarius 12 December 2013 11: 05
      +5
      That's not about "laziness and slavery from the Tatars" yoke is nothing more than a fairy tale. Even genetic research calls this theory into question. I'm not even talking about the fact that at that time the number of Mongols was simply ridiculous. And the Tatars hu from it? Modern Tatars have nothing to do with historical Tatars, which is well known.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 12 December 2013 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: Bezarius
        Modern Tatars have nothing to do with historical Tatars, which is well known.


        who told you this ...)) they have what else) the truth is that their assimilation is pretty big right now .... but as for the Ukrainians, they forgot that they are direct descendants of the Atilla Turks .. who went to Europe .. and some remained in these territories ... because - the proclamation of Kievan Rus, which right now is preserved .. pronounced and written in ancient Turkic ... not a single Ukrainian will read it ........ and the word-MAIDAN .... song .. ...)) literally the square .. a big place .. by the way, look - more than half of Ukrainians .. brunettes .. unlike the brothers of the Russians and Belarus or the Poles ..- they are mostly blondes ... well, or blondes )))
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 12 December 2013 13: 24
          +1
          smersh70.
          It is clear that you, as a representative of the Turkic people, argue that Ukrainians and others are descendants of the Turks, the same Hungarians will argue that Ukrainians are descendants of the Ugrians or Magyars who traveled through the ancient land of present-day Ukraine, while the Russians rightly note that Ukrainians are also the ancient Russian Slavic nation. Representatives of the Celtic peoples will put pressure on the fact that zapadentsy are descendants of the Gauls, and so on.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 12 December 2013 14: 15
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            Russians will rightly notice that Ukrainians are the same as the Old Russian Slavic nation.


            I also thought so before .. and I was 100% sure .. but after reading Murad Aji ... his books on the history of Russia .... wormwood grass ... it seems called or something like this ... by the way, and YOU I advise ... he clearly put everything on the shelves .... still still did not answer his questions clearly ..... there is also about Babu-Yagu ... and Santa Claus .. and about Tolstoy .. and about the 300-year-old yoke of the Mongol Tatars .. and about the formation of Kievan Rus and about Ukrainians too ..)).
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 12 December 2013 15: 23
              +2
              You think that Murad Aji wrote and studied the true true story, and many believe Fomenko and they are right in their own way. Everyone believes that he wants to believe and trust. History is not an exact science, we don’t know or don’t remember what happened 300 or 500 years ago, and about ancient times there can be no question of the thoroughness of historical events.
    5. wot
      wot 12 December 2013 12: 29
      +3
      I categorically disagree with you to ascribe laziness and slavery to the Tatar, you need to be too self-confident or not far off and the wine fume certainly from the Germans which the Slavs taught to wash and then recently 150-200 years
  6. Tver
    Tver 12 December 2013 09: 09
    -1
    Great stuff! To the author - respect and respect !!!!
  7. rus9875
    rus9875 12 December 2013 09: 11
    +4
    And what follows from this? What exactly did the author want to say?
    1. Jack7691
      Jack7691 12 December 2013 09: 20
      +4
      It’s just that the behavior of Westerners today fully confirms the presence of Jewish cunning ... and medieval stupidity.
      1. haron
        haron 12 December 2013 10: 15
        +2
        Quote: Jack7691
        It’s just that the behavior of Westerners today fully confirms the presence of Jewish cunning.

        And what about the Celts? Or have they stolen you somewhere too?
        The same trick is present in all who separated from Russia. Let’s drag the Karaites in Lithuania and make Jews from Lithuanians. What will you do with Estonians or Tajiks? I don’t understand, in the end you will find Jews there.
    2. morpex
      morpex 12 December 2013 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: rus9875
      And what follows from this? What exactly did the author want to say?

      But nothing sensible. So another wedge in relations between Russians and Ukrainians.
  8. tank64rus
    tank64rus 12 December 2013 09: 15
    +3
    The grandfather of the SS Obergruppenführer Heydrich was a Viennese Jew.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 December 2013 09: 32
      +1
      Quote: tank64rus
      The grandfather of the SS Obergruppenführer Heydrich was a Viennese Jew.

      So what? We list all of whom in the family of Jews?
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 12 December 2013 10: 05
      0
      Quote: tank64rus
      The grandfather of the SS Obergruppenführer Heydrich was a Viennese Jew.

      Isn’t it clear? Zapadentsev, this is a different people.
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 12 December 2013 09: 17
    -2
    That's right, the Finno-Ugric people must be answered. They can’t even be without genetic analysis.
  10. tomket
    tomket 12 December 2013 09: 18
    30
    there is such an anecdote: in Transcarpathia, the Ukrainian grandfather tells the granddaughter, they say I lived in Austria-Hungary, and in Germany, and the Czech Republic, and Poland and the USSR ... Grandson delighted: -Grandfather, well, you traveled !!! ! Grandfather: - I sat in place, they all came !!!!
  11. domokl
    domokl 12 December 2013 09: 21
    14
    It’s a good article. It’s just that the heart rejoices as the author operates with these very genogroups ... So many of these, so many of these .. They live there .. And these are generally not clear who and where. Yes, show me here at least one person who knows its this gene of something there. Who and when checked them?
    I think this is a great example of how to divide ideologically the people. The first stage is the Western Ukrainians are the descendants of the Poles, the Eastern Russians. The second stage is an in-depth study of genetics, face muzzle, hair color. Well, and the third stage Hitler once also showed-measure the skull anthropology and shoot inappropriate ...
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 12 December 2013 11: 00
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      The first stage is Western Ukrainians, descendants of Poles, Eastern Russians. The second stage is an in-depth study of genetics, face muzzle, hair color. Well, and the third stage Hitler also once showed-measure the skull, anthropology and shoot the wrong ones ...
      There may be a fourth and fifth stage. On the fourth, there is a worldwide hysteria about the threat of Russian fascism in Ukraine, the activation of the 5th column, provocations and the dismemberment of the country along a line that leaves a small piece to the right and bottom, comparable in size to the zapadensky region highlighted in red on the map. The sixth stage is the transfer of proven technology to Russia and Belarus.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 12 December 2013 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      I think this is a great example of how to divide ideologically the people. The first stage is the Western Ukrainians are descendants of the Poles, Eastern Russians.


      Alexander, let's start with the fact that it was not the author of the article that started it, in Ukraine, a little more than a year November 2012:

      NEW "DISCOVERY" of Ukrainian scientists: UKRAINIANS - ANCIENT ETHNOS OF UKRAINE

      On one of the largest national television channels in Ukraine, the so-called project “DNA - a portrait of a nation”. The project is aimed at proving, using modern technologies, that Ukrainians - at the genetic level - are a separate people that have nothing to do with Russians and Belarusians. That is, to confirm what the emigrant historians, immigrants from Galicia, the followers of M. Grushevsky, and now 20 years have been affirmed by the academicians and doctors of sciences of the National Research Institute of Ukrainian Studies, confirm.

      Here's the video:

      1. domokl
        domokl 12 December 2013 15: 20
        0
        [quote = seller trucks] [quote = domokl] I think this is a great example of how to divide ideologically the people. The first stage is the western Ukrainians are descendants of the Poles, eastern Russians. [/ Quote]

        Alexander, let's start with the fact that it was not the author of the article that started it, in Ukraine, a little more than a year November 2012:

        [b] NEW "DISCOVERY" of Ukrainian scientists: UKRAINIANS - ANCIENT ETHNOS OF UKRAINE [/ b
        And what contradicts my comment? Did I say that the author came up with something completely unusual? Racial and nationalist theories have been prevalent in the world for a long time. Just like a red rag for a plebs. It’s easier to find the person to blame for the difficulties.
        And the fact that Ukraine tried at the state level and is trying to disown kinship with Russia has also been discussed more than once. What are only the historical delights of Ukrainian historians.
        The point is different. The article is written in such a way that these ideas are thrown to the Great Russians. The author, figuratively speaking, throws horseradish in our garden. We are trying to convince that there is nothing to fight for the integrity of Ukraine, ours are only in the east, other strangers and even enemies . We are convinced that Ukraine will become a country loving Russia when foreigners separate from it.
        In fact, the article is very smart, designed for the future.
  12. Keeper
    Keeper 12 December 2013 09: 24
    +3
    HM, somehow strange. What kind of Jews are there if the "zapadentsy" practice nationalism ?! Come to them and tell them that they are descendants of Jews - and we'll see how they answer it))
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 12 December 2013 10: 03
      +4
      Quote: Keeper
      What kind of Jews are there if "Westerners" practice nationalism ?!

      The presence of living did not at all prevent the possessed Adolf Aloizovich Shiklgruber from practicing Nazism. Absolutely not interfere.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 December 2013 11: 25
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        The presence of living did not at all prevent the possessed Adolf Aloizovich Shiklgruber from practicing Nazism. Absolutely not interfere.

        So purebred Jews practice Nazism, moreover, not the first century and quite successfully.
        1. alex-s
          alex-s 12 December 2013 16: 58
          +1
          As always: Beat the Jews, save Russia!
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 12 December 2013 10: 10
      +5
      Quote: Keeper
      HM, somehow strange. What kind of Jews are there if the "zapadentsy" practice nationalism ?! Come to them and tell them that they are descendants of Jews - and we'll see how they answer it))

      It is precisely Jews who cultivate Ukrainian nationalism there. In order to create a fictional story of Little Russians / Ukrainians and finally tear them away from Russia.
      They just need this nationalism at this stage, and when the first goal is achieved, they will move on to the next stage, it will already be the oppression of Ukrainian culture.
  13. iulai
    iulai 12 December 2013 09: 24
    +4
    An interesting article, reasoned. Thank.
  14. kaktus
    kaktus 12 December 2013 09: 30
    0
    But nothing that homo sapiens is actually one species? However, it can be divided into reasonable and not very. Or people and non-people. IMHO.
    Threat article, by the way, anonymous crying
  15. VadimSt
    VadimSt 12 December 2013 09: 31
    +4
    Quote: makarov
    where is the wine fume

    100%! From the mare. Another proposal to aggravate the relationship, - at the same time, it does not matter who.
    My open hatred for certain political strata of those very "Westerners" still does not allow me to declare that they are all not Slavs. Yes, there are enough other groups there, but from time immemorial Slavs have lived and live there - Western, southern and mainly Eastern Slavs.
    It is interesting when the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences carried out the medical examination required for the conclusions from the "zapadentsi" - there you cannot ask for some water in Russian!
  16. maratenok
    maratenok 12 December 2013 09: 31
    +2
    zapadentsy Celts))) yy is it like true Europeans who is it ?? Yes, their women were simply repelled by Poles, Austrians, Germans, and still their prostitutes are everywhere and live on this)
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 December 2013 09: 37
      +2
      Quote: maratenok
      yes, their women were repelled by Poles, Austrians, Germans

      The only sound explanation. hi
      1. evgenm55
        evgenm55 12 December 2013 14: 06
        +2
        I just wanted to tell about it. The author described his dream after watching the "Lord of the Rings". And, in general, I still thought that Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are one people, and not close peoples, as according to the author. And in the thirteenth century he forgot to say about the Western Russian principality of Galicia. Maybe the name of Prince Daniel of Galitsky is about what So he considered himself a Rusich, like the principality -Russkiy. And he was the last one who, after the fall of the eastern and northern principalities, stood up against the horde and defeated them. He concluded an alliance with the Hungarian White. Where were these at that time, from the Alpha or Betycentaurus? Something about them is not said in the annals ... Another thing is that in later times, who only did not manage on that land, who only did not fertilize local women. It is from this compote that what we have on the Maidan and that, only with the connivance of the authorities. If the authorities had the will, political resolution and an elementary desire, while according to the author, all the Zapediens would have been driving the plow and growing bread, and with that, in silence. My opinion.
  17. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 12 December 2013 09: 33
    +6
    I agree with domokl, somehow, so not intrusively and from a scientific (supposedly) point of view, it looks like Nazi policy about people and subhuman. Deja vu, gentlemen and comrades.
  18. 128mgb
    128mgb 12 December 2013 09: 33
    +7
    It is well known that the inhabitants of the western regions relate to the inhabitants of the south and east to put it mildly with dislike. And if someone thinks that Farion is an isolated case, then he is deeply mistaken, this is more likely the rule. So the material in the article only confirms the alienness of this region to the rest of Ukraine. Just look at what they are doing in Kiev!
  19. Keeper
    Keeper 12 December 2013 09: 33
    +4
    Austro-Hungarians, Hutsuls, Gypsies, Jews - an explosive mixture living on the border with Austria and Hungary in a place called Khust.
    But none of them admits that Jewish blood flows in their veins (either the memory of the pogroms is still fresh, or they are afraid that you will start boiling again).
    If you dig even deeper, then they are really from the nomads of the barbarians, a mixture of Romanesque and Turkic branches ...
    But, at the present time, it is impossible to divide Ukraine with the help of such a distant past !!!!
    In the same Khust there are synagogues and Orthodox with Catholic churches, equally adjacent! Nobody blames anyone for anything! Is it worth it ?!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 December 2013 09: 52
      +4
      Quote: Keeper
      But, at the present time, it is impossible to divide Ukraine with the help of such a distant past !!!!

      Yes, somehow Ukraine itself is divided, although they talk about the "hand of Moscow" ...
      And what is to blame for this, whether the distant past, or the ugly policy of the authorities in the present is still worth a look.
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 12 December 2013 10: 25
      +9
      Quote: Keeper
      either the memory of the pogroms is still fresh, or they are afraid that you will start boiling again

      - Rabinovich, are you a Jew?
      “Did something happen?”
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 12 December 2013 10: 36
        +9
        Quote: Stanislav
        - Rabinovich, are you a Jew?
        “Did something happen?”

        - Aunt Beth, are you Jewish?
        - Why do you pay off?
        - So your name is Aunt Beth ...
        - And if St. Isaac's Sog is standing in Petegbug, is it a synagogue?
      2. morpex
        morpex 12 December 2013 14: 01
        +9
        Quote: Stanislav
        - Rabinovich, are you a Jew?

        Topic: Gave birth to a German, Jewish, Russian. The children got mixed up.
        Fathers decide what to do.
        German:
        - High Hitler!
        One kid stretched out.
        -This is my!
        Gone. Russky took one child.
        Jew:
        - How did you get that this is yours?
        - When the German shouted "High Hitler" My fists clenched, and yours crap.
    3. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 12 December 2013 11: 37
      +3
      Scripture says we are all from Adam and Eve, but Darwin claims to be from a monkey. Our task is to determine from which?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 11: 41
        -1
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Scripture says

        Vrungel, where is the 200 thousandth army, which from your words goes to Kiev?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 12 December 2013 13: 05
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Vrungel, where is the 200 thousandth army, which from your words goes to Kiev?

          request lol good
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 14: 06
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            Corsair

            Yes, he really wrote this yesterday laughing Captain Vrungel UA Yesterday, 23:58 | Ukrainian authorities must end street lawlessness
            Azarov ceu gave to the Ministry of Defense. Deliver over the weekend 200.000 troops to support Yanukovych, provide food, accommodation. This is the admin resource. For this already on the bunk, plus for the state, i.e. our taxpayer account
            But when you catch him on this, he writes in response ... wassat Calm down, Alexander. No need to grab words and phrases from the text, smear shit. This is the method of regionals such as Oliynyk, Bondarenko, well, and your Kiselev.
            WHAT IS THE STRENGTH IN, BROTHER ? IN TRUTH. And time will tell
            laughing laughing laughing
            1. morpex
              morpex 12 December 2013 20: 42
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              .Deliver 200.000 troops over the weekend to support Yanukovych, provide food, accommodation.

              Alexander! Why so much? Dima Kiselev announced the figure of four hundred maydanutnyh Bandera who roam around Kiev. Against whom is the same armada?
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 13 December 2013 10: 41
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, he really wrote this yesterday

              In the 2012 year, the APU will be reduced by 8 thousand.
              The Verkhovna Rada adopted a law to reduce the size of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by 8 thousand. 256 people's deputies voted for the bill introduced by the president on Tuesday.
              Recall, President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych initiated a bill that proposes to reduce the size of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the end of the 2012 year to 184 thousand people, including up to 139 thousand military personnel. According to the draft document, the total number of armed forces during the 2012 year will decrease by 8 thousand, including military personnel - 5 thousand
              URL: http://go-url.ru/dj-l

              Where did 200000 come from?
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 12 December 2013 19: 52
          +1
          novels! are you following the news? I ran away. As soon as Pinchuk, Akhmetov, Firtash and Poroshenko (1 National, Inter, 1 + 1,5 channel) began to show the truth on their TV channels, and Azarov screamed that he was being thrown by the militants, the situation began to change and was not in Yanukovych’s favor. Rebuild from Kiselev and Elena to independent information. I'm sorry. But what is the strength of the brother, in truth. I am very glad that I got you so sick that you fall asleep and wake up with my name. hi
  20. Grbear
    Grbear 12 December 2013 09: 41
    +5
    It's hard to argue with Domokl. Well grasped the essence of the article.

    Westerners are not a dirty word. This is a heavy burden of heredity and the result of "travels from Austria-Hungary to the USSR" (tomket) and back. Re-education does not make sense if in the genome no justice gene. Create a Special Economic Zone, and all matters. But Ukraine is not capable of this. Hope so far.
  21. vostok1982
    vostok1982 12 December 2013 09: 43
    15
    Why are you minus the author? It has long been proven that in the place of present Galicia lived a tribe of Dacians. The Slavs subsequently mixed with them. Therefore, faith was rejected much easier than, say, Volhynians, who were also in the Commonwealth, but who preserved Orthodoxy.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 12 December 2013 10: 04
      +5
      So long ago it was clear that they were somehow not like that, and recently, the situation with zapadentsev generally aggravated everything, they are spilled Poles. Maidown is all the work of their hands.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 12 December 2013 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: vostok1982
      Why are you minus the author?

      how why laughing it is necessary to add to the Ukrainians brothers, for not joining the TS ... articles about okhailivaniya Ukraine rolls over ..... wassat
  22. major071
    major071 12 December 2013 09: 46
    12
    Well, the author about the genes has fooled here, then a joke on the topic:
    A white woman had a black baby. The nurse, walking into the lobby, horrified to find a white husband, while unrealistic in size. In this regard, she decided not to risk falling under his hot hand, and invited the janitor Sidorov to help:
    - Listen! I owe you one! Everything is very simple. Explain to him scientifically - they say, mutation, genes.
    Poured him a glass of alcohol, he cracked. He goes into the lobby and starts yelling at the whole of Ivanovo:
    - Ivanov!
    - I!
    - you are Ivanov! The mutator must be washed! Negro was born to you! Gena called
  23. Jarilo
    Jarilo 12 December 2013 09: 47
    +1
    I won’t say anything about the roots, but the surname can say a lot. Yatsenyuk - I am a cynic leading the country to the west nude (k). Browns dress in Ukrainian flags - it's like camouflage robes, wolves in sheep's clothing. They do not care about Ukraine, they have already mortgaged and sold it three times, and now they are working out.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 12 December 2013 12: 50
      +1
      With this method of "political and etymological reconstruction", you can quickly reach the connection between Yarilo and I - snout and decide that you want to put a pig on the Ukrainians. It is not necessary, the method still requires serious improvements.
  24. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 12 December 2013 09: 49
    +5
    These are the descendants of those who passed through their territory, and there were a great many people there, they lay under all of them and it turned out as a result of all understandable but not good.
  25. kmike
    kmike 12 December 2013 09: 49
    +5
    I didn’t like the material. Something similar in history already happened when the Nazis measured the shapes and sizes of skulls, when they wanted to determine how the Aryan race differs from the rest. Well, of course, now science has gone far ahead. If a child is brought up by mother and father in hatred of what -or either to someone, then different tyagniboks and zapadentsy grow up. Even in Soviet times they were brought up there in hatred of Russia, then tyagnibok grew up.
  26. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 12 December 2013 09: 50
    +5
    It’s good that the skulls are not measured: who has the "correct" skull, and who has the "wrong"?
  27. vvvvv
    vvvvv 12 December 2013 10: 03
    +2
    By the way, although I read briefly, everything is written true or so. All this can be easily google in official sources. Well, about haplogroups. And for the Jews, it’s also very likely, because After all, there was the Khazar Khaganate ....
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 December 2013 10: 32
      +3
      The Khazar Kaganate did not affect territorially Western Ukraine or Central Ukraine either.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 12 December 2013 11: 03
        +3
        The territory of Galicia has been covered for more than 250 years Avar Kaganate There is a chronicle about the fact that "the cliffs have tortured the Dulebs", etc.
        True, wimps on wikipedia write that the Avar (s) are Mongols and Türks.
        wassat
  28. chehywed
    chehywed 12 December 2013 10: 13
    +2
    The fact that the Russians are not Slavs, but the Finno-Ugrians has already filled their teeth. Now they have taken up Ukraine. It turns out there are not all Slavs, and many are not Slavs at all. The line is for Belarusians. What will come up about them for the sake of splitting the Russian world?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 December 2013 10: 31
      +6
      Recent studies have proved the opposite; Russians are Slavs.
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 December 2013 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: chehywed
      The fact that the Russians are not Slavs, but the Finno-Ugrians has already filled their teeth. Now they have taken up Ukraine. It turns out there are not all Slavs, and many are not Slavs at all. The line is for Belarusians. What will come up about them for the sake of splitting the Russian world?

      In fact, the Russian nation was formed from Slavic, Finnish, Baltic and partially Scandinavian tribes.
      But Slavism certainly had a predominant contribution. As it is more scientifically said: "Russians are a Slavic people, with Finnish, Baltic and Scandinavian substrates."
      1. wot
        wot 12 December 2013 12: 52
        +1
        in general, it is believed that the Scandinavia was settled by the Slavs
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 12 December 2013 13: 50
          +1
          Quote: wot
          ... in general, it is believed that the Slavs settled Scandinavia

          Quote: Warrawar
          In fact, the Russian nation has formed ...

          Quote: RUSS
          Recent studies have proven the opposite ...

          Where do I say that Russians are not Slavs?
          Quote: chehywed
          The fact that the Russians are not Slavs, but Finno-Ugric peoples is already sore mouth... what about them will come up for the split of the Russian world?

          PUNCHED THE OCOMINE! If anyone does not know what this means, I advise you to eat lemon. hi
        2. Warrawar
          Warrawar 12 December 2013 20: 32
          +2
          Quote: wot
          in general, it is believed that the Scandinavia was settled by the Slavs

          Very controversial. The Scandinavian race itself is much older than the Slavic.
          And the Scandinavians have another haplogroup -
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0
          %BF%D0%BF%D0%B0_I1_(Y-%D0%94%D0%9D%D0%9A)
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 12 December 2013 16: 29
      +2
      Quote: chehywed
      . The line is for Belarusians.

      when Old Man goes against Putin, then he too will not find himself here laughing
  29. Humpty
    Humpty 12 December 2013 10: 18
    0
    Somewhere, it seems like the truth, if you rely not only on genetics, but also on the folk savvy, who noticed that the most malicious (sorry) Jews eat themselves with Jewish blood, which they carefully hide. Hitler, Eichmann, Rosenberg for example. Who in Europe hates Jews more than Poles and Westerners?
    Who is more anti-Semite in the Caucasus than the Azerbaijani public?
  30. mehanik27
    mehanik27 12 December 2013 10: 24
    +8
    In general, the article is excellent))))) Since the average Zapadenets, at the mention of Slavic roots, is twisting and beating his chest with his hoof that he is not like that, now you can refer to the article that they say yes, not like that, scientists have decided on everything ... you are a descendant of the Jews)))) For a zapadents what can be more beautiful?
  31. Bykov.
    Bykov. 12 December 2013 10: 42
    +5
    ... Zapadentsev is not the Slavs, but the descendants of the Celts and Jews ...

    It seems to me that the aforementioned - the Celt and the Jews, will strongly object to such a relationship!
  32. Gino
    Gino 12 December 2013 10: 44
    +7
    DNA genialogy has nothing to do with eugenics and fascism. Studies of haplogroups have allowed anthropologists to reconstruct the pattern of migrations of human populations over the past tens of thousands of years, starting from the African ancestral home.
    1. rus9875
      rus9875 12 December 2013 10: 56
      +3
      Well, finally recognized that we are all descendants of blacks!
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 12 December 2013 18: 09
      +3
      Quote: Gino
      picture of migrations of human populations over the past tens of thousands of years


      Other proto-projection in the house:
  33. 222222
    222222 12 December 2013 10: 53
    +3
    1. "Volodymyr Pivviv," Left Bank ":" In this context, the Galicians should be understood as those inhabitants and immigrants from Galicia, who put their Galician identity above the Ukrainian one. For them, the Ukrainians are those beyond the Zbruch (the river on the border of the Ternopil and Khmelnytsky regions of Ukraine), as well as Galician Ukrainian patriots, cathedrals and nationalists. "
    http://www.zerkalov.org.ua/node/5541
    2. "Ukrainian psychoses" Galicians .... Psychosis is a violation of mental activity, ...
    .. "a small fragment from the book of Semyon Shevchuk, which was back in the 60s of the last century, addressed to the" Bandera "emigration:" Bandera romance lies in the painful belief that they can instill our Galician nationalism for Zbruch, that he is there will rise, bloom and bear fruit in the form of the seizure of Eastern Ukraine by Galician nationalism. This, however, is a silly fantasy. It can never happen. "
    http://srn.kharkov.ua/uk/journalism/45-novosti/2087-hsrn.html
    3. "Galicia is impossible apart from the Great Ukraine. Simply in this way it will lose its mission and thus the meaning of existence - what makes it exactly Galicia. And the mission is that there should be Ukraine with its capital in Kiev, there should be diversity regions and lands, and Galicia is such a certain outpost somewhere in the West, which is designed to set certain trends, but to do this through “skidnyaks.” You still need to put forward the leading roles ... "(Well-known Ukrainian writer)
    http://www.segodnya.ua/life/interview/jurij-andrukhovich-v-ukraine-halichanin-ne
    -mozhet-ctat-prezidentom.html
  34. Gino
    Gino 12 December 2013 10: 59
    +1
    http://haplogroup.narod.ru/celeb.html -примеры гаплогрупп.
  35. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 12 December 2013 11: 06
    +4
    Iosif Vissarionovich didn’t care about haplogroups ..
    And for the happiness and freedom of the working and learned man, he would not regret the ice ax and for the alpha-centaur ...
    Silver ice ax with aspen handle ..

    So he is Russian, though real Georgian. Wise and fair.
    1. olviko
      olviko 12 December 2013 13: 23
      +2
      "Joseph Vissarionovich didn't care about haplogroups"

      Well, in vain, maybe I would have lived longer.
  36. yan
    yan 12 December 2013 11: 07
    +7
    Jews became all black from grief.
    "How to live further?" - the question froze in my eyes.
    Maloros scientists discovered
    That the Jesus Christ was Ukrainian!
    ***
    They found direct evidence
    That Little Russia was not only him.
    Now publishers are in full swing,
    That the Ukrainian was Tutankhamun.
    ***
    That Buddha grew up in the city of Chernigov,
    And, like Christ, on the mov,
    And in Rome he delivered the pepper shining to Caligula,
    And later he headed the Zaporozhets,
    ***
    What is the city of Kolomyia a small homeland
    Counted another ho ... ol Columbus,
    Made an Native American spawn
    Serve vodka with fat to the table.
    ***
    Gagarin was a Little Russian pilot,
    Since I flew over the Dnieper more than once,
    And Prometheus was a Ukrainian lad,
    After all, the gods, he stole fire and gas!
    ***
    Sarmatians, Scythians, Cimmerians, Arias
    Ukrainians were in the bud,
    And if someone was born suddenly in Tatarstan,
    That he had relatives in Hohland!
    ***
    Yes, the Lord himself, as the Scripture says,
    He wears harem pants and a mustache.
    And Ukraine is a universe:
    From the stars to the Poltava sausage!

    Seas went from her, dawn embraced,
    And birds, and peoples of different countries ...
    Just Mos ... Ali damn
    Came from aliens!
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 12 December 2013 12: 10
      +6
      I recommend, the poem by Ivan Kotlyarevsky "Aeneid", excellent, the Little Russians jabbering, MOV and the emerging "Ukrainian nation", this is one of the few works that I read in the original with pleasure
      1. yan
        yan 12 December 2013 12: 44
        +4
        Great! thanks for the advice! taking into account the time of creation, banter is first-class wink
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 14 December 2013 20: 25
        +1
        Good author. He loved to read it in childhood (probably thanks to him he likes the Ukrainian language)
        Our government is like that Juno
        Oh evil Juno, bitch daughter

        Rozkudkakala, like a crook, -

        Eney did not love - fear;

        For a long time already won,

        Yogo shchob darling flight_la

        To the devil, I won’t smell of it.

        Yeney Buv is hard not to heart

        Juno, - all її gniviv:

        Zdavavs girchіshy іy vіd pertsyu,

        They didn’t ask for anything at Junoni;

        But I didn’t like girsh for those

        Scho, bachish, in Troy

        I called Venus to my mother;

        І scho yogo pokіyny uncle,

        Paris, Children

        Putivochku Venus da.

        Beaten Juno from the sky

        Scho Pan Yenay on the flank;

        And they whispered Hebe ...

        Juno taking the great jah!

        Harnessed a little pavilion to джrinjolat,

        Schewed p_d nibble michka,

        The spit did not curl;

        I took a sp_dnitsy, and a cord,

        I hliba with sylly on a plate,

        I rushed to Eolu, like a wasp.
  37. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 12 December 2013 11: 11
    +2
    What a scientific article ... Especially the categorical beginning "we all know" and the end of "Adolf Hitler". According to the canons of journalism, everything is correct - it is just the beginning and the end that is remembered, and in the middle you can carry any nonsense - the main thing has already been said "we all know", and whoever is not everything is wrong. Typical pseudo-historical, pseudo-scientific "order". For what? Yes, to raise a new wave of srach, because now is just the right time to pour a bucket of slops in the direction of Ukraine. This is already a tradition here.
  38. Mviktor
    Mviktor 12 December 2013 11: 22
    +2
    What kind of Jews are there if "Westerners" practice nationalism ?!

    And where did the folk sayings about Ukrainians "zapadentsev" come from then?
    - clever as a Jew
    - where did the Jew go there to do nothing, etc.
  39. morpogr
    morpogr 12 December 2013 11: 34
    +3
    So soon Adam and Eve will become zapadentsami. And the human race went from western Ukraine.
  40. USNik
    USNik 12 December 2013 11: 39
    +7
    Quote: morpogr
    So soon Adam and Eve will become zapadentsami. And the human race went from western Ukraine.

    So long ago "Everyone" (c) has known that Ukrainopithecus was the prototype of all people on earth, and in general Adam was called Mykola and the forbidden fruit was bacon. winked
  41. Aljavad
    Aljavad 12 December 2013 11: 39
    +5
    What a blizzard! both in the article and in the comments. Nationality BY DEFINITION is determined by self-awareness. For all its scientific nature, the article incites racism and Nazism. And in the current situation it plays into the hands of the "European integrators". In general - a provocation.
  42. RUSS
    RUSS 12 December 2013 11: 52
    +2
    "Zapadentsy" are mostly Uniates or Orthodox of the UOC of the Kiev Patriarchate (unrecognized by any official Church) by faith, plus a special mentality, dialect and some language differences, its own history largely divorced from the Russian Empire and the USSR. I think the Russian and the Yakut have much more in common and dear than the Western Ukrainians with the Eastern.
  43. vyd1956
    vyd1956 12 December 2013 11: 56
    +4
    And the Finno-Ugranians are worse than them, how will the Hungarians be offended? That's what they are! :-)
    But Maidan, the true Turkic word ... is alarming.
  44. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 12 December 2013 12: 10
    +1
    Not so long ago, I unsuccessfully tried to prove to the professor that the main anti-Semites on the planet (given the close genetic kinship between Arabs and Jews belonging to the same Semitic group of peoples) are Jews themselves.

    Quote: Professor
    .
    There have not been and cannot be such examinations, this is nonsense. Jews and Arabs have a common relative, the biblical character Abraham. Since then, the Jews have pretty much mixed with the local peoples. So I was ridiculed and cited these photos as "evidence": Here are examples of Jewish women:
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/955/navn9.jpg
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/084/vpvx332.jpg
    Well, just one genetic stamp. Himself not funny?
    A respected professor probably does not know the difference between citizenship and ethnicity. I’m not especially lazy and will give a comparison of Arabs and Jews (and, unlike unknown professorial beauties, these people are widely known)
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/307/sbvk293.jpg
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 12 December 2013 12: 18
      +4
      I apologize for the most interesting photos were not inserted laughing so I supplement (photo selection from the professor):

      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/047/ixvs198.jpg

    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 12 December 2013 15: 33
      0
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Jews and Arabs share a common relative biblical character Abraham
      Not one, but the whole branch from Abraham to Isaac. These are the twin brothers Esau and Jacob, the children of Isaac and Rebekah.
  45. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 12 December 2013 12: 17
    +3
    But I guessed. Somehow it doesn’t enter the landing properly. Not ours.
  46. Ross
    Ross 12 December 2013 12: 24
    +2
    Quote: operrus
    Here are a few points of view, choose to your liking. The author’s point of view is closer to me.

    The author describes the exact science of genetics, while other points of view are simply emotions.
  47. Stanislas
    Stanislas 12 December 2013 12: 25
    +2
    Quote: 222222
    Galicians should be understood as those inhabitants and natives of Galicia who put their Galician identity above Ukrainian
    There are, in my opinion, the three most common ways Russians organize their ethnic identity.
    1) the main historical and genetic community: Russian, then place of birth: Odessa / Kuban / Polocyan, last country of residence: Ukrainian / Russian / Belarusian (Belarus?);
    2) the main place of birth, then the historical and genetic community, last but not least the country of residence;
    3) the main country of residence, then the place of birth, last of all, the historical and genetic community.
    There may, of course, be other options, but these seem to me the most common. I believe that the official work on the upbringing of patriotism is being built on the third model. This model is the least effective, due to its alleged unpopularity among the population, especially in view of the prospects for unification of three multinational states (Russia, Ukraine and Belarus) into a stable union. Only the first model can be most effective for this purpose, since it coincides with my expected prevalence among citizens (in any case, it coincides with the ethnic majority of these countries). At the same time, it bears the greatest danger of Nazism and the fragmentation of multinational states. The second model, in my opinion, is historically inherent in the Cossacks: it is good for protecting its land, the cohesion of local communities, but is fraught with battles of Novgorodians with Suzdal and separatist sentiments.
    1. 222222
      222222 12 December 2013 13: 16
      +1
      Stanislav RU Today, 12:25 New
      "There is, in my opinion, .."
      when I need to understand, is it right or is it done right? I look at how it is done in Israel .. a small state .. For example ...
      - government system-separation of powers ..
      - The manning system of the army is universal military despite. paw and origin
      - The system of education and upbringing, not a juvenile one — the family is in first place ..
      - a system in agriculture - collective farms-kabuts ..
      .......................
      and the concept of nationality ... Born by mother anywhere in Sharik
      (Explanations .. http://toldot.ru/urava/ask/urava_4874.html)
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 12 December 2013 15: 48
        0
        Quote: 222222
        when I need to understand, is it right or is it done right? I look at how it is done in Israel ..

        This is fawn. laughing laughing laughing
        Are you a good Ukrainian?
        The whole article is about it! laughing
        1. 222222
          222222 12 December 2013 17: 27
          +1
          ATATA SU Today, 15:48 ↑ New
          Are you a widespread Ukrainian? "
          ..hy.
          ... but there is no reference to the explanation of the rabbi in the article ..
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 12 December 2013 22: 52
            +1
            Quote: 222222
            ... but there is no reference to the explanation of the rabbi in the article ..

            Choir Mace laughing
    2. georg737577
      georg737577 12 December 2013 23: 23
      0
      Great said! Plus to you!
  48. Anatoly P
    Anatoly P 12 December 2013 12: 27
    +1
    Indeed, it turns out that everything came from the zapadentsev!
  49. Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky 12 December 2013 12: 32
    +3
    laughing Banderlog after such news seppuku should make a club on the forehead. Well, they Jews ... do not like, in short. And here, look! I love the author! AUTHOR!
  50. kair_kz
    kair_kz 12 December 2013 12: 35
    +2
    honestly say the article and I did not like it. In our new alliance, we certainly do not need racism!