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Euromest Euromaidan

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Vilnius is avenged! The European Union may be partially satisfied for Vilnius European shame: Euromaidan shook Ukraine to the ground. But Euro-revolution nevertheless did not pass to the end. Still, this is a remake, the second edition of the orange creation of Professor Gene Sharp in Kiev, and the effect of novelty has been lost. Euromaidan is still a farce, история repeated in the form of a farce, in comparison with the orange Maidan, he became stupid, and the power grew wiser.


Euromest Euromaidan


Orange Maidan had the sense not to touch the monument to Lenin, Euromaidan dumped him and outraged the defeated stone body. Klitschko said that this is no vandalism, but a way out, so to speak, of revolutionary enthusiasm. He does not understand that “Lenin” will avenge them: revolutionaries should not desecrate other revolutionary symbols.

In general, Klitschko and the company were lucky only once. The first provocation, the “hook” of Professor Gene Sharp, was not successful, and even then not completely: there were no casualties during the “overclocking of Euromaidan”! They are trying, of course, to inflate what is, but there is too little material to slap “the criminal regime case” out of it.

The second step of the revolution was not completely successful - they only captured the square, several streets and buildings, but the whole city would have to! At the third Sharpovsky step, the Euro-revolution stalled - it could not bring the sacred sacrifice. There were attempts, but the “klyaty regime” rested, and he was lucky again. This led to the loss of an important pace, the Euro-revolution has lost its development, and it must certainly go, in theory, incrementally!

There is a lot more luck on the side of power. Home luck - you can avoid the victims. It is almost a miracle, with such a sweep of the elements of the masses. Lucky with the Berkut, he will go down in history with his endurance. Lucky for the stupidity of the revolutionary "troika of leaders", in general, God is on her side.

Another important circumstance - the European emissaries did not succeed, by and large, in splitting the presidential power; several defectors did not count. On the contrary, the ranks of the revolutionaries broke up: streams of information flowed out of their headquarters, which, probably, had already played their part.

Many analysts say that Euromaidan splits the country. Yes, it splits, it is almost an obvious fact, and on Euro-Ukrainians and Russian-Ukrainians. A simple conclusion follows from this - in order to preserve the unity of Ukraine, the authorities must suppress Euromaidan politically. And who in focus does not see this obvious fact? Look how interesting it is: the European Union and the United States do not see this, and they in every way inflate Euromaidan, hiding behind the humane demands of “not offending” provocateurs and other revolutionaries.

The political and ideological sponsors of Euromaidan in fact seek to split Ukraine. What for? In order to blow up the country, it should be precisely split, a split is a kind of political dynamite. That is how they blew up Yugoslavia, splitting it into many parts. The ancients said: look who speaks most about the world - he is preparing for war.

But why does the West go in Ukraine to the “Yugoslav scenario”? Its main goal is to force President Yanukovych to sign the Agreement on Euro-Association in its original form - the Euromaidan-European Union has not reached. Obviously, in a demeaning form for Ukraine, this Agreement will not be signed any more, and in another form it will not be necessary for the European Union. He has no money for it.

New negotiations on amending the Agreement seem doomed to failure. Moreover, there is no time for them: in March, the European Union has elections, so its current leadership is all “lame ducks”: in the spring the situation in Europe will change a lot, new faces will come to politics.

However, a failed revolution is a coup. Such a turn of affairs gives Yanukovych good opportunities for a political counteroffensive. Will he use them? We'll see ... If he shows will, he will be able to suppress Euro-revolution in this round.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 13 December 2013 07: 58
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    Such a turn of affairs gives Yanukovych good opportunities for a political counteroffensive.

    What kind of offensive is YANUKOVICH not possessing an outstanding mind and cannot calculate the situation for several moves (a little dumb).
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    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 13 December 2013 08: 08
      14
      Indeed, if Yanyk was a 100% patriot and did not engage in the European sale of the Motherland, then practically no one would have noticed that he was stupid.
      1. Jake danzels
        Jake danzels 13 December 2013 10: 27
        +6
        Quote: ZU-23
        no one would have noticed sho he is stupid

        Well then, everyone had to gouge out their eyes.
        Here it is not cool, but "praffessar burns again"
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 December 2013 11: 05
          38
          He drew attention to the number of journalists with cameras when committing an act of vandalism. The same thing happened when a naked female dog from Femen cross sawed a cross in Kiev. This is indirect complicity. It is imperative to introduce an article providing for liability, the commission of a criminal act by a group of persons. am
        2. user
          user 13 December 2013 13: 55
          +5
          Jake Danzels UA Today, 10:27 ↑

          Quote: ZU-23
          no one would have noticed sho he is stupid

          Well then, everyone had to gouge out their eyes.
          Here it is not cool, but "praffessar zhzho again.

          Yes, nothing really is visible to the blind, but is heard, and the media (like the hunt to screw propaganda) do not stop. Now we are not talking about the free choice of Ukraine, but rather who will promise more or scare the coming changes. To solve this problem on the basis of current legislation, Yanukovych seems to have a thin gut (in the sense of either by law or a referendum).
          Remember the 3rd round of the presidential election - to laugh. Name at least one country in the world where this is still possible.
          I’m afraid that Ukraine does not expect anything good with such a president.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 13 December 2013 14: 19
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            user SU
            ... we are not talking about the free choice of Ukraine, but rather who will promise more ...


            Posters in Kiev are full of the benefits expected by Ukrainians in the European Union.
            But the mind, at least it should be, so as not to peck at this order.
            After all, more than once stepped on a rake, including when separated from the Union. The same manna from heaven streamed from the mouth about a rich life in an autonomous life.
            1. Rusich51
              Rusich51 14 December 2013 12: 02
              +5
              Little Russians do not sell for a jar of jam and a pack of gringo cookies. Do not become bad.
              Nuland injects pulls packs of cookies, soon and the machine guns will begin to pull - a repeat of Libya, Syria?
          2. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 13 December 2013 18: 25
            13
            Quote: user
            Remember the 3rd round of the presidential election - to laugh. Name at least one country in the world where this is still possible.
            I’m afraid that Ukraine does not expect anything good with such a president.
            USA. Instead of the third round, they decided to count the votes in Florida.
        3. Rusich51
          Rusich51 14 December 2013 09: 23
          +6
          There is a lot more luck on the side of power. Home luck - you can avoid the victims. It is almost a miracle, with such a sweep of the elements of the masses. Lucky with the Berkut, he will go down in history with his endurance. Lucky for the stupidity of the revolutionary "troika of leaders", in general, God is on her side.
          I doubt about luck, apparently the gringos do not believe that it is time to shed Russian blood in Little Russia.

          But to fight with the monuments of a great mind is not necessary.
      2. AVV
        AVV 13 December 2013 14: 46
        +7
        With all the variety of choices, there is no other alternative !!! At least for now! Yanuk. With manic persistence still continues to bargain with the geyropa and tries to sit on two chairs, but this is not possible even with his so wide seat, did he not yet understand that Europe raped him? And he doesn’t bet on him at all, but on these three of the casket and Julia languishing in prison, doesn’t he understand that for him the camera next to Julia is ready, if he doesn’t understand all this then I agree with the ZU-23 !!!
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 13 December 2013 16: 37
          +1
          Well, for now, it's more like a drag.
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    4. Ihrek
      Ihrek 13 December 2013 08: 45
      +9
      I would say not very little, but very much. He cannot connect two words without long pauses.
      1. APES
        APES 13 December 2013 10: 18
        17
        I would predict


        2030 year.
        After the final collapse of the EU, Ukraine demands compensation for illegal accession to the European Union, the withdrawal of NATO troops and the immediate deportation of three million Turks
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 13 December 2013 13: 55
          +4
          Quote: APES
          2030 year.
          After the final collapse of the EU, Ukraine demands compensation for illegal accession to the European Union, the withdrawal of NATO troops and the immediate deportation of three million Turks

          optimistic. maybe ... 2030. there is NO Ukraine. the small population in Kiev and in the west of the former Ukraine eke out a miserable existence due to men who have gone abroad, working as plumbers in Poland, and women working as prostitutes in Russia.
          1. lab29
            lab29 13 December 2013 17: 15
            +6
            Ukrainian Beautiful !!!!!!!!)))))))))))))
          2. romrem
            romrem 13 December 2013 19: 56
            -21 qualifying.
            2030 year -
            Russia within the Golden Ring
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 13 December 2013 22: 41
              14
              Quote: romrem
              2030 year -
              Russia within the Golden Ring

              Shaw, on the Independence Square? I ran in to warm up, and then it was too much to poke? laughing
            2. brelok
              brelok 14 December 2013 06: 55
              +6
              Quote: romrem
              Russia within the Golden Ring

              How many times in history has Russia pulled Ukraine out of every eurode ... ma? Will have to again ...
            3. Sandov
              Sandov 15 December 2013 16: 30
              +2
              romrem
              Rat predictions will not come true.
        2. Niko-zhukov
          Niko-zhukov 13 December 2013 15: 01
          -2
          A very correct remark, only not in 2030, but probably already 2020 or closer;)
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      3. AVV
        AVV 13 December 2013 15: 26
        +2
        This is such a tactical move, between the words he looks at the reaction of the audience !!!
    5. A.YARY
      A.YARY 13 December 2013 09: 32
      16
      Good day Alex
      That's right, and Yanukovych will soon surrender Ukraine to the West, simply on terms favorable to his beloved.
      And this is another minus of the authorities in Russia, which did not "deal with" Ukraine with a little finger. hi
      1. maxcor1974
        maxcor1974 13 December 2013 09: 40
        14
        Andriy, our ambassador to Ukraine is Mr. Zubkov, and now he has no time for politics, family problems are stuck. The son-in-law is on fire. There is no time for work.
        But seriously, the silence of our embassy is at least strange.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 13 December 2013 10: 31
          +7
          Chernomyrdin, Zurabov, well, what kind of ambassadors are this — a laugh and nothing more.
          [media = http: //www.ntv.ru/novosti/769596/]
          1. AVV
            AVV 13 December 2013 15: 33
            +2
            Here, most likely, the first letter in the post should not be used, then everything will be right, and Zurabova, after the failure in Medicine, was sent to Ukraine as an honorary pension, and he was supposed to work there !!!
        2. maxcor1974
          maxcor1974 13 December 2013 10: 49
          +1
          I apologize, confused Zubkov with Zurabov
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 13 December 2013 10: 54
            +1
            Ops thanks did not notice.
          2. Tartary
            Tartary 14 December 2013 06: 31
            +1
            Quote: maxcor1974
            I apologize, confused Zubkov with Zurabov


            From this myths and gossip are born ... request
            1. maxcor1974
              maxcor1974 14 December 2013 20: 29
              0
              i'm sorry
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        4. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 13 December 2013 14: 03
          +4
          But seriously, the silence of our embassy is at least strange.
          In August 2013, Russia, too, was silent about Syria, maintaining Olympic calmness, while the enemy was trying to unravel the idea ...
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 13 December 2013 18: 36
            +4
            Quote: Bashkaus
            But seriously, the silence of our embassy is at least strange.
            In August 2013, Russia, too, was silent about Syria, maintaining Olympic calmness, while the enemy was trying to unravel the idea ...

            Some kind of contagious alarmism among readers of the resource. Or all the same provocateurs?
            No attempt to think of an action strategy. Someone thinks that the fate of Eurasia is decided by distributing cookies on the square or ridiculous propaganda posters?
        5. zardoz
          zardoz 13 December 2013 16: 34
          +5
          In general, the Russian Foreign Ministry is smarter with the Orange Revolution. Then they were not silent, and this made the orangemen even more angry. SchA, I think they’re doing the right thing, that they are silent.
          1. Vasily Klopkov
            Vasily Klopkov 13 December 2013 19: 10
            +6
            Why are they silent? So they expressed their position and it is absolutely correct. "From our side, the importance of non-interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine was once again emphasized," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Meshkov said in an interview with Russian journalists, explaining that it is necessary "to give the Ukrainians the opportunity to determine their own choice." And by the way, the Ukrainian communists also spoke about this. Their demands for a popular referendum were precisely aimed at preventing interference in the internal politics of Ukraine.
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      3. yurii p
        yurii p 13 December 2013 10: 13
        +4
        "And this is another minus of the authorities in Russia, which did not" deal with "Ukraine with a little finger." ... and why be surprised when not professionals are engaged in diplomacy, but various idiots sitting in positions for the success of introducing LIBERALISM (robbery) in Russia, in this case Zurabov and there are plenty of such zurabchiks.
        1. morpex
          morpex 13 December 2013 10: 49
          14
          Quote: yurii p
          "And this is another minus of the authorities in Russia, which were not" concerned with "Ukraine with a little finger."

          The kingdom of heaven Chernomyrdin .. This is where the REAL ambassador was. He would have gone to the Maidan for a long time, and would have told the stupid Ham why the ruberoid was in Odessa ... And he would not care about the power that he had settled in the Kremlin. indeed the soul hurt for both countries ..
          I remember him like that ..
          For the monument, to prison. I am an opponent of the authorities, but I would support it. Vandalism is vandalism in Africa too ..
          And your government is not idle. Theological, the fourth in the PR, having run over to the opposition camp, opened the curtain of what was happening ... In brief, something like this. The opposition implements the plan of the Western world, Putin's power plan. A kind of geopolitical game of puppeteers. Both of them cares ... the people who went out to the streets. Only there is one more small but .. Putin did not take into account that this Donetsk gang is already in the throat of almost all Ukrainians. And now, on the Maidan, the main slogan is no longer European integration. But "Get the gang!"
          And the authorities and Moscow continue to cut the same old counter. Confirmation of my words? Medvedchuk does not crawl out from his godfather Putin, and Ham, according to Bogoslovskaya, listens only to him. The opposition is not far from the minds of Janek and his entourage. It all reminds me of the film "Dumb and Dumber". Because the actions of both of them sometimes cannot be explained with common sense.
          1. Midshipman
            Midshipman 13 December 2013 11: 14
            +9
            Relationships with the official authorities remain visible because Putin simply has no one to choose from, no one to deal with in Ukraine. And the passivity of Russia probably explains this - in Ukraine there are no real patriotic forces with popular support, only bandits and maydanuty.
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          3. xan
            xan 13 December 2013 14: 09
            +8
            Quote: morpex
            And now, on the Maidan, the main slogan is no longer European integration, but "Get the gang!"

            There is one "But". Indeed, in something, but in the political realism of the GDP can not be denied. Most likely, Yanukovych is being used "in the dark", i.e. the GDP has calculated the situation and the success of the Maidan people. This can be seen from the way GDP is distancing itself from Yanukovych.
            GDP certainly will not lose regardless of the actions of Yanukovych and the opposition, the identity of our ambassador, information warfare and similar husks.
            But rather he will win.
            1. olviko
              olviko 13 December 2013 14: 32
              +6
              "Well, in something, but in the political realism of the GDP you will not refuse."

              It is unlikely that Putin will throw this matter halfway. On December 17, they seem to be meeting with Yanukovych again. It is possible that Putin is going to make the New Year holidays joyful for Ukrainians .. Most of the country, even one that does not support Yanukovych, will still be glad to receive relief to the country, even from where. For example, Armenia dropped the price of gas even before it entered the Customs Union. In my opinion this is a very clear hint to some ...
              1. cdrt
                cdrt 14 December 2013 13: 50
                +1
                Quote: olviko
                "Well, in something, but in the political realism of the GDP you will not refuse."

                It is unlikely that Putin will throw this matter halfway. On December 17, they seem to be meeting with Yanukovych again. It is possible that Putin is going to make the New Year holidays joyful for Ukrainians .. Most of the country, even one that does not support Yanukovych, will still be glad to receive relief to the country, even from where. For example, Armenia dropped the price of gas even before it entered the Customs Union. In my opinion this is a very clear hint to some ...


                So far, Putin has won more in foreign policy: 888, Ukraine and Georgia’s rejection of the plan to join NATO, Syria, Iran, the creation of the same vehicle with Kazakhstan and Belarus.
                In principle, the title of Russian Bismarck has already earned
                I hope not to lose now
            2. M. Peter
              M. Peter 13 December 2013 19: 47
              +3
              Quote: xan
              Already in anything, but you can’t refuse GDP in political realism.

              In-in, we can still discuss in half a year how Russia was forced to send troops to the territory of the Crimea and New Russia in order to protect the Russian people. wink
          4. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 13 December 2013 22: 50
            +3
            Quote: morpex
            But the authorities and Moscow continue to chop the same old chip. Confirmation of my words? Medvedchuk will not come out from his godfather Putin, and Ham, according to the Theological listens only to him.

            Found who to believe ..., Theological! laughing
          5. michajlo
            michajlo 16 December 2013 06: 26
            +1
            Hello Valery.

            You are right in many ways. But in reality in Ukraine the situation is more complicated.

            Yanukovych himself and his bandits ALREADY bothered the people with corruption and lawlessness.
            He himself and the thief-Yulka and EVERYTHING are preceded by the presidents-CRIMINALS, the only difference is that of them all in prison so far are only Yulka-gorlopanka ...

            And for her many Ukrainians get sick ?! Marasmus.

            The fact is that the EU and the USA on Maidan have been repeating the Orange Revolution since 2004.

            The only problem is that now in Ukraine there is NO STATE !!! Ah Lukashenka would be in Kiev.

            But the risk of repeating the Yugoslavl scenario in Ukraine is very large !!!

            And unfortunately for 22 years there are still few people WANTS reunification with Russia and Belarus. They need new troubles in order to understand who are the friends and brothers of US Ukrainians!
      4. rolik
        rolik 13 December 2013 12: 48
        +6
        Quote: A.YARY
        And this is another minus of the authorities in Russia, which did not "deal with" Ukraine with a little finger.

        The question is, how was Ukraine supposed to be "engaged" ????
      5. user
        user 13 December 2013 14: 00
        +5
        A. YARAY SU Today, 09:32 ↑

        That's right, and Yanukovych will soon surrender Ukraine to the West, simply on terms favorable to his beloved.

        I'm afraid you're right.
        1. AVV
          AVV 13 December 2013 15: 41
          +1
          But this will not help him anymore, the West has already written it off !!! The only thing he can do while he is in power !!! This is to meet his constituents and fulfill what he promised before the election is to get closer to Russia! !! And do not raise energy prices for the people, as Europe requires !!!
        2. alone
          alone 14 December 2013 00: 36
          +2
          elections are coming soon in 2015. and he needs a second term of presidency. for the second term he will do everything in his power.
          1. AVV
            AVV 14 December 2013 01: 00
            +6
            Yes, he won’t give West Yanuk a chance to be re-elected for the next term, he still organizes round tables with the opposition, he gathers presidents around him, then goes to Vilnius, now to China, then to Moscow !!! In general, he twitches like a paranoid their opinion, their position !!! And the West needs its decisive elect, what the West will say, they will do as Klitschko, for example, and if the people don’t support raising energy prices, raising the retirement age, promoting gays in Ukraine’s power structures, then it’s possible to hide in Germany, the most important thing is to start everything, and then there will be nowhere for the people to disappear, not the first time to agree !!!
      6. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 13 December 2013 18: 33
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        Quote: A.YARY
        Good day Alex
        That's right, and Yanukovych will soon surrender Ukraine to the West, simply on terms favorable to his beloved.
        And this is another minus of the authorities in Russia, which did not "deal with" Ukraine with a little finger. hi

        People. Do not carry nonsense. Remember at least the month of October - Ukraine refuses Russian gas. Remember what they said the last 3 years. Ukraine will sign the association. Everyone in the West and banderlogs in Ukraine did not doubt for a second that at least the association would be signed for sure. Yanukovych’s refusal to sign, it’s a bolt from the blue in the whole Eastern Partnership project.
        Does this mean that the RF does nothing? Does everything happen by itself? Or is it just that someone does not climb on the birth and does not compromise himself as European mongrels? You understand that there are norms of international law, and what European officials are doing now is just "interference" in internal affairs. Does Europe think they can get away with it? They also thought from Kosovo, they got Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
        What is the true picture? Europe invested in the project and burned. Now she was provoked to hysterical actions, the cookies were already handed out at rallies. Where it leads ? Yes, this is a failure of the image of the West, but what other than show-offs are left there? Soon, referendums on independence in half of the EU countries, there it also comes around to them.
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 13 December 2013 22: 56
          +1
          Quote: Gluxar_
          People. Do not carry nonsense.

          good good good I agree! drinks
    6. alex13-61
      alex13-61 13 December 2013 10: 30
      12
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      -YANUKOVICH does not have an outstanding mind and cannot calculate the situation for several moves (a little dumb).

      Yanukovych: tongue-tied - yes, uneducated - undoubtedly ...
      But to get out of that shit into which his life dipped, to a person who does not have a practical mind and intuition ... is impossible.
      1. sergius60
        sergius60 13 December 2013 10: 57
        +9
        That's right, dear alex. I was always "touched" when specialists, who did not even reach the level of the site master, "glue labels" left and right. They know how to steer power. And what is apparently shown is often not true, somehow it does not reach.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 13 December 2013 11: 22
          10
          Yuriy Levchenko, a candidate for people's deputies from VO "Svoboda", twice submitted false documents on his education to the Central Election Commission, having in his hands a vocational school diploma. This was announced by the candidate for people's deputies Sergei Tyagniy. “Twice Levchenko submitted false documents on higher education to the CEC. In both cases, after checks, it turned out that higher education diplomas were just a cartoon, and there never was such a student at the university as Levchenko. And in the end it turned out that the representative of "Svoboda" has only vocational education. It turns out that even vocational school students are already going to the people's deputies. Most likely, all information about him may be fake - and where he worked and how he started his professional career. It's just that the CEC is not completely complete. checked
          Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133488.html
          S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ...
          And we have a lot of such vocational schools in Rada! And unfortunately, these are not the MASTERS and WORKERS that were once produced under the USSR! Some losers gathered!
          1. user
            user 13 December 2013 14: 04
            +6
            You might think we don’t have such people in the Duma, remember 10 lectures of the under-educated part-time student Lev Ponomaryov in Skolkovo for 750 thousand dollars, Yanukovych is resting.
        2. rolik
          rolik 13 December 2013 12: 50
          +2
          Quote: sergius60
          when the specialists who have not even reached the level of the foreman of the site, "stick labels" left and right. They know how to steer power

          If you knew how right you are.
      2. polly
        polly 13 December 2013 11: 03
        11
        We replace the practical mind with cunning, but with intuition everything is clear when it works for him ...
      3. Fin
        Fin 13 December 2013 11: 10
        +7
        Such a turn of affairs gives Yanukovych good opportunities for a political counteroffensive. Will he use them?

        In my opinion, he has already made a bunch of mistakes in his hearing loss. He didn’t make a speech to the people, he didn’t make a statement about the interference (Nuland and others) and the defense of independence. He didn’t announce three clowns as sent Cossacks, Azarov didn’t dismiss, etc. Everything was left to chance, even the Golden Eagle began to imitate acceleration, assault (show with watering, didn’t guess to turn off the water ?!). As a result, the situation is getting out of control. The body is limp.
        1. alex13-61
          alex13-61 13 December 2013 11: 29
          +6
          Quote: Fin
          , Azarov do not dismiss

          Yes, he can’t take either Azarov or Berkut ...
          1. Fin
            Fin 13 December 2013 14: 49
            +2
            Quote: alex13-61
            Yes, he can’t take either Azarov or Berkut ...

            Azarov without fail to give people hope for a change for the better. Golden eagle is not. And he passes it.
            1. alex13-61
              alex13-61 13 December 2013 16: 06
              +2
              Quote: Fin
              give hope to people for a change for the better.

              What, specifically, is it required to do this? Build a "hospital of the future"? Buy ambulances? Or erect monuments to the Holodomor?
              1. Fin
                Fin 13 December 2013 18: 23
                +1
                Quote: alex13-61
                What, specifically, is it required to do this? Build a "hospital of the future"? Buy ambulances? Or erect monuments to the Holodomor?

                This is the second question, but those who are hesitant and who will leave "for the company". The Nazis and the stupid youth will remain. Imagine if all of a sudden the LADY will be sent to the general rejoicing, including on the site. So it is there.
              2. vanaheym
                vanaheym 14 December 2013 02: 57
                +1
                For example, offer professional revolutionaries who come in the morning from nearby cities to earn money and leave after dinner not 200, but 300 hryvnias. You look and some sort of dissonance will appear among the revolutionaries.
            2. AVV
              AVV 14 December 2013 01: 11
              +2
              Yes, you don’t have to listen to anyone, but to do what you promised the people before the presidency, people cast their votes, they believed the promises, if they are thrown, neither the enemies will respect, and the comrades-in-arms will not give up !!! So choose not choose, still get May !!!
      4. Vadim67
        Vadim67 13 December 2013 11: 29
        +4
        That's for sure. His instinct for self-preservation is quite developed.
    7. pensioner
      pensioner 13 December 2013 11: 58
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What is the offensive here-YANUKOVICH does not have an outstanding mind

      Yeah ... Not a Talker bird ...
    8. smersh70
      smersh70 13 December 2013 12: 31
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      good opportunities for a political counteroffensive.

      already tired of articles about euromaidan) even at VORDPLANS, they’re not fighting anymore ... but right away they are coming from Ukraine or Russia ... and they start arguing about the EU wassat meanwhile, the enemy comes up and knocks everyone down laughing soon it will really be so ... while you argue, America will come up and take what he likes .... winked
    9. olviko
      olviko 13 December 2013 14: 14
      0
      "YANUKOVICH does not have an outstanding mind and cannot calculate the situation for several moves (he is a little dumb)."

      Not a problem, Putin will be wise!
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    11. Cherdak
      Cherdak 13 December 2013 16: 43
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      YANUKOVICH does not have an outstanding mind and cannot calculate the situation for several moves


      Lev Vershinin: Since 1994, the West owes Ukraine 160 billion euros

      11.12.2013

      "God, where is the promised protection of the economic interests of Ukraine from the covenant designs of the Kremlin? Promises by promises, and money and economic interests are at odds? In a year, Europe will be friends with Russia and directly receive gas. to destroy their black soil in the search for shale gas? "
      Peter Simonenko.

      In Kiev and in other regions of Ukraine, actions of supporters of European integration are continuing, outraged by the decision of the Cabinet of Ministers to suspend preparation for the signing of an association agreement with the EU. US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland arrived at the Independence Square on December 11. She is accompanied by the US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. As reported by "Interfax-Ukraine", the protesters greeted Nuland with joyful shouts, some chant "God bless you".

      IA REX expert Lev Vershinin comments on the situation in Kiev and Ukraine: “After the proclamation of Ukraine’s independence, after having quarreled for some time, the politicians decided to integrate into Europe, when it was not yet formally united. On June 14, 1994, the agreement was named under "Pleasure for partnership and spirituality between Ukraine and European spirituality and its member states". On November 10 of the same year, the agreement was ratified by the Verkhovna Rada and entered into force on March 1, 1998.

      This is a sensation. At least, people who allegedly read the entire package of documents, suggest that, according to an unchanged document, or rather, an appendix to it, signed in 1996 and also entered into force on March 1, 1998, - the allocation of three tranches over four years for a total of 160 (!) billion dollars was guaranteed to Ukraine by the countries of the current EU as compensation for the refusal of nuclear weapons and to eliminate the consequences of the Chernobyl accident.
      One of three: whether Europa in the course of business neatly "forgot" about its obligations, and Kiev did not dare to remind; Either Kiev recalled, but Europa responded with less "cash", but under the condition that they will not be reminded more; Either, finally, the money was transferred, but it went somewhere, and Europa did not control it.

      It’s also clear that Mr. Yanukovych couldn’t have any relationship to the fate of this huge money. But now, being the president, he has a direct relationship and demands either to give back or to say where he went. And Europe - already the EU - absolutely does not want to, nor does it want to, but wants to sign a new document in this, one of the small, almost imperceptible sub-points of which is clearly indicated that after the signing of the act of association, all the agreements and agreements signed before that become null and void.
    12. Cherdak
      Cherdak 13 December 2013 16: 45
      +8
      (a) most likely, Viktor Fedorovich, demanding 160 yards in Vilnius (or about that) instead of the three offered, he did not "roll his lip" at all, which was not mocked only by the lazy, but everything belonged to the right only to Ukraine. , because if you threw it once, then the second time, do not go to the grandmother, they will dress you;

      (b) and Brussels and (all the more) Berlin, having received the requirement to transfer the point about such money to the draft new document and give guarantees, and even better, pay first, in response, they arranged the Euro-Maidan, worth the order two less stolen, then it was necessary that they did not joke with him and henceforth did not become impudent;

      (c) and Mr. Yanukovych now has to turn around like a snake in a good way, hinting and hinting, but without any opportunity to tell the people the truth, because even if you say, the wound sheep from the Maidan will not be lost they were killed in a terrible way, and the life of the president of the banana republic with his family is even cheaper than Euromaidan.

      It turns out that many thousands of idiots in the center of Kiev are now fighting for the right not to get billions, which legally belong to Ukraine, overthrowing a man who risked to remember this money. And for what the "three leaders" are fighting, representing, in the main, the interests of Germany, even scary to think. Although there is confidence that for a very small percentage of the percentage of the disputed amount.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 13 December 2013 19: 04
        +2
        Quote: Cherdak
        only demanded that rightfully belong to Ukraine



        The head of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych noted that officials who were directly involved in the preparation of an agreement with the European Union could be fired. Now the Ukrainian authorities are again continuing negotiations on an association with the EU.

        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20131213/983975390.html#ixzz2nMqdBfw5
    13. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 13 December 2013 18: 23
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Such a turn of affairs gives Yanukovych good opportunities for a political counteroffensive.

      What kind of offensive is YANUKOVICH not possessing an outstanding mind and cannot calculate the situation for several moves (a little dumb).

      This is what such commentators think. The point is not how they see him, but the fact that he is the president of a country with 45 million people. Is the expression dumb to such people?
      But smart people can write comments about stupid presidents.

      As for the article, I agree with the conclusion. Yanukovych is very limited in his movements in the current situation. But if he makes the right choice, he will not only retain his property, but also win the next election. He already has the legal opportunity to destroy the entire opposition. What the oppositionists said and handled their fighters enough for the real terms of 10 years all the chauble.
      However, you should not rush to conclusions. This game has been played for 20 years and there will be a swing for some time. Let's look at the results of the mobilization of PR, promise up to 200 thousand in Kiev by the weekend. It may happen that they simply transmit orange ...
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 13 December 2013 18: 31
        +7
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Yanukovych is very limited in his movements in the current situation
    14. Botanologist
      Botanologist 13 December 2013 22: 26
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      YANUKOVICH does not have an outstanding mind and cannot calculate the situation for several moves


      This is not required of him. He was given a simple recommendation - not to fuss and not make concessions, and he copes with it perfectly. The second important point is politeness. After all, they gave the command not to fight the crowd, he does not fight. In principle, working with the crowd is not very difficult, the main thing is not to give in to emotions and not be bullshit. That's all. Yanukovych is not being conducted, and the result is obvious - nothing happens with the Orangemen. And it will not work. The maximum that they can throw in the form of EU handouts is to call early parliamentary elections, and introduce elections of governors. And people will gladly switch from Maidan to local rallies.
    15. aepocmam
      aepocmam 13 December 2013 22: 37
      0
      It’s time for Yanukovych to change his surname from Yanukovych to Evnukhovich. It is unlikely that now anything worthwhile can be expected from him. Slack, in a word ...
  2. PSih2097
    PSih2097 13 December 2013 08: 03
    +4
    The political and ideological sponsors of Euromaidan are actually striving to split Ukraine. What for? In order to blow up a country, it is precisely necessary to split it, a split is a kind of political dynamite. It was in this way that Yugoslavia was blown up, splitting it into many parts. The ancients said: look, who speaks most of all about the world - he is preparing for war.

    The ancients are right as always ...
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 13 December 2013 08: 15
      +6
      Tired of news about the Maidan. When the relative majority of the population is in favor of Euro-association, when no one is deceiving them, they themselves are glad to be deceived, guys, let's give Ukraine peacefully cost.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 13 December 2013 11: 08
        +4
        Quote: sergey32
        When the relative majority of the population is for the Euroassociation

        Just the majority is against. fool
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 13 December 2013 23: 13
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Just the majority is against.

          Exactly! good Most are against. And "the water is muddied" by the corrupt opposition and the Bandershtats ...
          1. shevron
            shevron 14 December 2013 03: 08
            +5
            Nobody counted the votes "for" and "against", but that's what people go to Euromaidan money to earn it EXACTLY. What ideological aspiration to Europe are we talking about if the Euro Maidan is fundamentally bought. And who will lead Ukraine to Europe? This opposition trio will tear each other's throats in a year's time in the presidential elections. Or who doubts? That's all unity ...
    2. Horn
      Horn 13 December 2013 09: 13
      +1
      Let me add: "The thief's hat is on fire!"
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 08: 07
    +9
    there were no victims during the “dispersal of Euromaidan”! Of course, they are trying to inflate what is, but there is too little material to slap the “criminal regime case” out of it.
    I remembered in the 90s during the putsch of the two killed Yeltsin symbols of victory of "democracy" made a good move was .. (USSR collapsed)
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 13 December 2013 08: 52
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I remembered in the 90s during the putsch of the two killed Yeltsin symbols of victory of "democracy" made a good move was .. (USSR collapsed)
      And the former Komsomol secretaries, who by that time had become the masters of the Moscow markets, closed them and drove the traders who took "on the chest" to Manezhnaya, where they shouted heart-rending chants like "Bear to the North!", Depicting the democratic expression of the will of the people.
    2. georg737577
      georg737577 13 December 2013 17: 22
      +4
      In 1991, three people died during a coup. Two of them are in front of my eyes. One death was accidental (rebound), the other - due to the stupidity of the deceased.
    3. Rusich51
      Rusich51 14 December 2013 10: 08
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      there were no victims during the “dispersal of Euromaidan”! Of course, they are trying to inflate what is, but there is too little material to slap the “criminal regime case” out of it.
      I remembered in the 90s during the putsch of the two killed Yeltsin symbols of victory of "democracy" made a good move was .. (USSR collapsed)

      The teachers were good at the Amer embassy.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 15 December 2013 16: 38
        +1
        Quote: Rusich51
        Quote: MIKHAN
        there were no victims during the “dispersal of Euromaidan”! Of course, they are trying to inflate what is, but there is too little material to slap the “criminal regime case” out of it.
        I remembered in the 90s during the putsch of the two killed Yeltsin symbols of victory of "democracy" made a good move was .. (USSR collapsed)

        The teachers were good at the Amer embassy.

        I remember how in a crowd some ran to the Yankees for consultations or for the dough.
  4. makarov
    makarov 13 December 2013 08: 16
    11
    The author is in his thoughts in his own space. The people didn’t rebel for the European Union, about 80% rebelled against Yanukovych and his thieves ’shobla, since in almost every city there is a local Yanukovych who is engaged in the main occupation of stealing the budget on the ground, and this is all over Ukraine.
    The author, scratching the ears for those who know how to think, does not always go away ..
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 13 December 2013 08: 25
      25
      makarov UA
      ... The people didn’t rebel for the European Union, about 80% rebelled against Yanukovych and his thieves ’shobla, since in almost every city there is a local Yanukovych who is engaged in the main occupation - stealing the budget ...


      But people should understand that, together with the thieves' regime of Yanukovych, they destroy their own state.
      Or, as the proverb says, "I'll knock out my own eye so that my mother-in-law has a crooked son-in-law"?
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 13 December 2013 09: 10
        -17 qualifying.
        You propose to the people, whom the godfathers of the godfather put in the pose "grandmother in the garden". to stand humbly and in a Christian way, having received a slap in the face from the left, substituted under the right. The state is destroying Yanukovych, or rather destroyed. On the Maidan stand not for the vehicle or the EU. They are standing there demanding to stop the bandit lawlessness of the Yanukovych government. To return the territory of Urkain, which is "based on concepts", to the legal field of the state of Ukraine. The people want a legal, democratic state. What's wrong with that.?
        The bandits of power, without honor and conscience, hypocritical and fraudulent, vile and arrogant, using administrative resources, drive thousands of people servile to the oligarchs and the authorities to Kiev to antimaydan at the expense of the state, i.e. at the expense of the people. The purpose of the gathering. With the influx of such a mass of people into Kiev, whom it is practically impossible to control, release their bandits and provoke clashes between the Maidan and anti-Maidan, imitation of the seizure of government buildings, bleed, leave people in uniform "to restore constitutional order" and introduce an emergency. Mass forced drive is reported from all regions. In particular, there is an order. Send 40 thousand people from the Odessa region. novels! this is not a lie and a fantasy. This is reliable information transmitted from the governor's administration. Lie Kiselev, or rather feces, pours. Here is a photo of a bunch of paid maydanutyh.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 09: 16
          16
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          , they are driving to Kiev thousands of forced oligarchs and the authorities of people for anti-Maidan at the expense of the state, i.e. at the expense of the people. The purpose of the gathering. With the influx of such a mass of people into Kiev, whom it is practically impossible to control, release their bandits and provoke clashes between Maidan and anti-Maidan, imitation of the seizure of government buildings, bleed, throw people in uniform "to restore constitutional order" and introduce an emergency.

          Yesterday, he wrote that they were driving the army at the expense of the state, i.e. at the expense of the people. Tomorrow there will be a new version, I'm waiting
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          . From Odessa region to send 40 thousand people. novels!

          From Lviv to Maidan 100 thousand, but this does not bother you
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          . Lies Kiselev, or rather feces, Le

          And true maidanutyh wassat
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 13 December 2013 09: 31
            -12 qualifying.
            novels! In addition to ORT, you are watching something. Ask Elena. She will tell you that the regionals are trying to drive 200.000. That the Ministry of Emergencies ordered to provide people with food, heat. Only one thing bothers me. What an idiot you have to not see. Maidan did not come out for the sake of the opposition. On the Maidan did not say a single name. Independence Square came out to defend its principles and ideology. And let's agree on this. I don’t touch you, but you don’t go to me and don’t use mean methods to spoil me as a moderator. Directly regional or in their salary. Pass the novels. hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 09: 38
              15
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              novels! In addition to ORT, you are watching something

              No, I’m catching kaif here wassat http://censor.net.ua/news/262524/yanukovich_vstupaet_v_tamojennyyi_soyuz
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              She will tell you that the regionals are trying to drive 200.000.

              Elena has already been driven to see, she for those like you posted comments, go see. Usa in the EU laughing
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              What an idiot you have to not see. Maidan came out not for the sake of the opposition

              How naive it is to write like that. Seeing EU and US flags on the maidan.
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              On the Maidan did not say a single name.

              Hahaha, yeah, there are the surname owners themselves, including a bunch of EU representatives laughing And who drives the Maidan, who calls to go to the Maidan?
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              I don’t touch you, but you don’t go to me and don’t use mean methods to spoil me, as a moderator

              Yeah, you’ll be lying, and I’m a prooma, yes? No, you’ll set your wife’s conditions.
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              2. POMA
                POMA 13 December 2013 10: 41
                +5
                Well done Alexander, how do you "sit ply" for him !!!! +++++++++++++++++++
              3. Walker1975
                Walker1975 13 December 2013 18: 23
                -7
                I would add: Especially for Romanov.
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 13 December 2013 18: 34
                  -2
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  I would add:

                  Yes there are a handful of students. Otsepentsev .. totally 900 people ... all drinkers and all from Western Ukraine .. who turn out to be not Ukrainians at all .... but resettled from Europe ..... wassat (the irony of course, many do not understand the humor)
                  By the way, this photo, not only for Channel One, but also for Dmitry Kiselyov would be put hi look where the reporters of these 2 channels are standing, when they are reporting from the Maidan ... they are standing on the edge .. the camera covers only a small part of the protesters ..... by the way, why wouldn't the people from Eastern Ukraine hold the exact same meeting .. ..or they say photoshop ... bully .
                  1. Victor-M
                    Victor-M 13 December 2013 19: 31
                    +7
                    Quote: smersh70
                    why wouldn't the people from Eastern Ukraine hold the exact same rally .... or they would say a picture-photoshop ...

                    Normal people work, and Maidanov’s tricks are eating European loot, but Kiev is littering, and who will pay for water, East and South? Disable the fuck. And you are talking about reporters in vain, among them there are those who were in hot spots, unlike the western ones, running around the scenery in Qatar, and probably in Ukraine too, taking off at the same time over their heads so that everyone could not fit into the camera. One word - made in EU, (der ... mo in a glamorous wrapper). laughing
                  2. M. Peter
                    M. Peter 13 December 2013 20: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: smersh70
                    By the way, why wouldn’t the population from Eastern Ukraine hold the exact same rally.

                    There will be a problem.
                    Firstly, it is rightly said by some that they have marched not so much for the EU and against Russia as against Yanukovych. Left by the way and those who once voted for Yanukovych.
                    Secondly, those who are still for Russia, for the vehicle and so on, are disorganized, they simply do not have a leader. The same Yanukovych threw his voter, because for many Yanukovych it is "Donetsk" who was baloted as "pro-Russian", was for an alliance with the Russian Federation and the Customs Union, for the Russian language and what else ?! But I repeat, Yanukovych threw his voter and did not acquire a new one in the face of the western regions, which are oriented towards the EU and so on. At the same time, Russia, by its inaction, simply cleaned Ukraine from the pro-Russian forces, alas.
                    If our government does not take any action now, then we have a huge chance to lose Ukraine, and the chance is that the loss will be for a long time, one might even say that forever. Look, for a little more than 20 years of independence, Ukraine is against us, Kiev, for example, did not have to be persuaded by the Maidan, they themselves went, partly went those regions that we considered our own, but still .. No.
                    So Putin at this time has a chance to return at least part of Ukraine, the entire southeast. If this is not done, then after leaving the EU (association or real joining, it doesn’t matter, the main thing is leaving us), people will rinse their brains better than in recent years, and they will economically bind them so that the hell will already leave the EU.
                    So you shouldn’t miss a moment, sir or gone, Syria was a training for our diplomats, now the task is more serious. it will be necessary, it is possible to take active actions, up to the deployment of troops to the territory of the Donbass and Crimea, but how else? Western mongrel will certainly speak, but they will howl and stop. The time for testing has come.
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 13 December 2013 22: 12
                      -2
                      Quote: M.Pyotr
                      There will be a problem.

                      ... even though I do not agree with some conclusions .. it seems that Putin chopped off part of Ukraine .. in general, the FIRST normal response from a Russian citizen and patriot ... thank you for that. hi ..a then I’m tired of hearing cheers-patriotic arguments about fat .. about Schorsa ... about BTR4MV .... and getting fixing minuses. laughing
            2. morpex
              morpex 13 December 2013 11: 01
              -5
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              that regionals try to drive 200.000.

              Hi Vrungel! I confirm your words. Yesterday I wrote about this on another news. I will write here: Quote: Fidget
              Shift method for zapadentsev!

              Do not worry. The authorities also have a shift. My son, from work (working in the office of the head of administration), first called to Kharkov in Gepa and ordered, now tomorrow a bus was set up in Kiev in support of Ham and the campaign. 500 hryvnia per day (the prefix 1400 per month), two days-1000 UAH. A significant increase. And that would not be allocated, I do not want there or something else, write I will declare. That's it ...
              Stsuki! Teachers are being detained for their salaries (my wife works at school, I know what I’m talking about) and then grandmothers are on the road and pity me! A bit of arithmetic. There are 40 people coming from the area, this is 40000 thousand daily, = hang thousand 10000, = fuel and lubricants three thousand-four. That’s 52 000 UAH. I don’t remember how many districts in Kharkov region. Where 25. Multiply. 1 million 300 000 thousand famously!
              I don’t know who sponsors the Maidan, but grandmas are from the budget. The question is, why the hell am I going to support Ham? Babos are out of my pocket. I regularly pay taxes. And do I need such power after that?
              All nah ... I'm leaving in the shadow. As many of my friends have already done ...
              1. bddrus
                bddrus 13 December 2013 11: 12
                +5
                If so many people are "bought" from both sides, then who is to blame? (applies not only to Ukraine)
              2. Egoza
                Egoza 13 December 2013 11: 31
                +8
                Quote: morpex
                I don’t know who is sponsoring the Maidan, but here grandmas are definitely from the budget

                The fact of the matter is that you cannot say exactly what is budgeted. Akhmetov and Co., too, could podsuetsya. Yanukovych is their protege. As for the delay in payments to teachers, etc., the Central Bank immediately stated that due to the blocking by the picketers — they didn’t allow people to work, the bank could not transfer money to different sectors, regions, etc. on time. Now they seem to let me through, so they will. We didn’t hold a session in the Kiev Council, and could not give money from the city as an additive (to teachers and other state employees). So who is to blame?
                1. morpex
                  morpex 13 December 2013 12: 02
                  +4
                  Quote: Egoza
                  You cannot say exactly what the budget is.

                  But you, too, will not refute the fact that the budget is being impudently plundered by a party of regions? The vertical of power from Kiev to the seedy areas is in their hands. Respectively, denyuzhki. And about Akhmetov and Co., so these guys are greedy. They are even wellness in my opinion in the amount of 16 000 UAH. received in the Rada as deputies. And note, no one listed them in any fund ...
                  1. vlad52-t
                    vlad52-t 13 December 2013 16: 35
                    +6
                    And what, before Yanek were all white and fluffy? Or maybe opposition leaders are so honest and fair?
                    1. morpex
                      morpex 13 December 2013 19: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: vlad52-t
                      And what, before Yanek were all white and fluffy? Or maybe opposition leaders are so honest and fair?

                      And here we are talking about? I am more worried about the real situation, what is happening now. And the current government is to blame for this. Instead of a pre-election "spoilage", it turned the country into a "pakhanat" .. And the leaders of the opposition .. You see them these leaders ? I am not. As a priest, such a parish. Those who have already written in the words of Semyonichv "there are few real violent, so there is no leader .." Something like this ...
                2. oaziss
                  oaziss 13 December 2013 14: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Egoza
                  Akhmetov and Co., too, could podsuetsya. Yanukovych is their protege.

                  Ahmetka already podsuetsilsya:
                  "Ukrainian businessman Rinat Akhmetov made a statement on the situation in the country on Friday. The Interfax-Ukraine agency quotes its full text:

                  “SCM Company in the early days of the aggravation of the situation in Kiev gave its position. And I, as a shareholder of SCM, completely share it.

                  These days, many want to know my personal attitude to what is happening. My position is this: Ukraine and the President walked along the European road for three and a half years. And during this time a lot has been done.

                  In Vilnius, an agreement was not signed. And everyone had a question - what happened? Ukraine took a break? Ukraine stopped? Or did Ukraine go the other way? Everyone wants to have clarity. People began to look for answers to these questions and went to the Maidan.

                  The fact that peaceful people took part in peaceful actions suggests that Ukraine is a free democratic country. And Ukraine will not turn off this road. And it’s very cool.

                  But the fact that these days people have suffered is unacceptable. I am convinced that now, at a difficult moment for our country, it is very important to have cold heads and a balanced approach. In short, common sense must prevail.

                  I am for a strong, independent and integral Ukraine. We are one country, and it is not necessary to divide it.

                  I am at the negotiating table. For politicians, power, opposition, moral leaders of the country to sit at the negotiating table and make the decision that we will be proud of. I repeat, be proud, not ashamed. The decision that Ukraine and every Ukrainian will benefit from both in the short, medium and long term.

                  I would call this table the table of peace, compromise and the future of our country.

                  And let politicians lose their ratings at this table. But the most important thing is for Ukraine's rating to go up. "

                  http://glavnoe.ua/news/n158194
                  1. garlik
                    garlik 13 December 2013 16: 06
                    -3
                    And the oasis will cure you too sad
                    1. oaziss
                      oaziss 13 December 2013 16: 40
                      +2
                      Quote: garlik
                      And the oasis will cure you too

                      ??????????????????? you didn’t confuse me with Akhmetov? am
                      1. morpex
                        morpex 13 December 2013 20: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: oaziss
                        Quote: garlik
                        And the oasis will cure you too

                        ??????????????????? you didn’t confuse me with Akhmetov? am

                        saghing: In my opinion, this uncle generally messed up the sites .. It seems to me that he is stoned. Comments neither to the village nor to the city ..
              3. garlik
                garlik 13 December 2013 12: 03
                -7
                You are a Marine from the movie "dumb dumber" and dumber
                1. morpex
                  morpex 13 December 2013 12: 35
                  -9
                  Quote: garlik
                  You are a Marine from the movie "dumb dumber" and dumber

                  Where are you from? Together with Ham, the zone was trampled for a gop-stop? Or at his snivers? wassat
              4. 31231
                31231 13 December 2013 12: 24
                15
                You are funny. Maydanuty have not been bought from you, but purely for the idea stick out freeze. If opponents maydanutyh, then immediately corrupt. My friend, and you still say that propaganda in Russia? Go already to Livropu, there you will be happy and panicking.
                1. rolik
                  rolik 13 December 2013 12: 54
                  +8
                  Quote: 31231
                  You are funny. Maidanut

                  They are funny now. And if they sign an association agreement, after 3 years, they will be miserable. But then where will they be fed ???
                  1. oaziss
                    oaziss 13 December 2013 14: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: rolik
                    after 3 years, there will also be miserable

                    What are 3 years old? All this will happen much earlier. laughing
                  2. Walker1975
                    Walker1975 13 December 2013 18: 40
                    -14 qualifying.
                    Russians, you are already funny and pathetic. You are bathed in money from oil and gas, you hold Olympics for $ 55 billion, but you have settlements without gas, according to your Federal Target Program "Clean Water":

                    insufficient development of centralized water supply and sanitation systems in Russia, as the main ones for solving the problem of providing the population of Russia with water. According to the FSGS, only 73% of the population is covered by centralized water supply services; the number of rural settlements with piped water makes up 30% of the total. Of the operating sewage treatment facilities, 60 percent are overloaded, 38 percent have been in operation for 25-30 years or more and require urgent reconstruction. In the Russian Federation, 10,5% of wastewater is not passed through treatment plants. Of the wastewater being treated, less than half (46%) is brought to regulatory requirements. The shortage of capacities for cleaning sewer facilities currently reaches about 9 million cubic meters. meters per day
                    1. Gecko
                      Gecko 13 December 2013 18: 41
                      +7
                      And this is none of your business. Or in the ass democracy plays others to teach life?
                      1. Clegg
                        Clegg 16 December 2013 18: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: gecko
                        And this is none of your business. Or in the ass democracy plays others to teach life?

                        Well, what is happening in Ukraine is also not your business.
                    2. Victor-M
                      Victor-M 13 December 2013 19: 49
                      +6
                      Quote: Walker1975
                      Russians, you are already funny and pathetic. You are bathed in money from oil and gas, you hold Olympics for $ 55 billion, but you have settlements without gas, according to your Federal Target Program "Clean Water":

                      Thanks for the experience, nothing, we’ll do everything, everything will be gut good , the main loot is, and a lot fellow.
                    3. 222222
                      222222 13 December 2013 23: 41
                      +9
                      Walker1975 UA Today, 18:40 ↑
                      "you are already funny and pathetic ..."
                      Yesterday on TV a local two were talking about the Maidan ... An elderly woman called and said that she had just arrived from Kiev, took her grandson to her ... she says, in the area of ​​the square, all entrances are dirty and crap ... "revolutionaries" also write ...
                      1. rolik
                        rolik 14 December 2013 08: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: 222222
                        fouled and crap ... "revolutionaries" also piss ..

                        We look at the previous aftora)))))
                        Quote: 222222
                        . Of the operating sewage treatment facilities, 60 percent are overloaded, 38 percent have been in operation for 25-30 years or more and require urgent reconstruction. In the Russian Federation, 10,5% of wastewater is not passed through treatment plants.

                        It turns out that everything is much worse on the Maidan)))) the canal does not work there at all)))) But what can you expect from the zaidnoyh hopsivs, as they were zassans and assholes ... Moreover, Kiev, a beautiful and beautiful city, was dung with its "western" values.
                    4. rolik
                      rolik 14 December 2013 08: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Walker1975
                      insufficient development of centralized water supply and sanitation systems in Russia, as the main ones for solving the problem of providing the population of Russia with water. According to the FSGS, only 73% of the population is covered by centralized water supply services; the number of rural settlements with piped water makes up 30% of the total. Of the operating sewage treatment facilities, 60 percent are overloaded, 38 percent have been in operation for 25-30 years or more and require urgent reconstruction. In the Russian Federation, 10,5% of wastewater is not passed through treatment plants. Of the wastewater being treated, less than half (46%) is brought to regulatory requirements. The shortage of capacities for cleaning sewer facilities currently reaches about 9 million cubic meters. meters per day

                      And you have everything much worse, but soon this will not happen))))))
                  3. O_RUS
                    O_RUS 13 December 2013 19: 30
                    +3
                    Quote: rolik
                    They are funny now. And if they sign an association agreement, after 3 years, they will be miserable.


                    oh no need this association
                2. Rusich51
                  Rusich51 14 December 2013 11: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: 31231
                  You are funny. Maydanuty have not been bought from you, but purely for the idea stick out freeze. If opponents maydanutyh, then immediately corrupt. My friend, and you still say that propaganda in Russia? Go already to Livropu, there you will be happy and panicking.

                  I would not want the Rosichs in Little Russia to use the Poles in their intimate relations in the back hemisphere.
              5. Don
                Don 13 December 2013 17: 22
                +7
                Quote: morpex
                Teachers are being paid salaries (my wife works at school, I know what I'm talking about)

                And you would think about what is being delayed. Just because they block the work of the government. And about the budget. Stop composing fairy tales. The Party of Regions is not a poor party, given the number of oligarchs. So they can pay people without problems. And tell the tales how much money is there from the budget and what it was for, tell your wife, and here at least present evidence. And then I can also say that my Mitsubishi bought me from the budget.
              6. Walker1975
                Walker1975 13 December 2013 18: 29
                -12 qualifying.
                Yes, the Yanukovychs have a good approach for the eastern workers, who, in the naive opinion of the Russians, support them: write a letter of resignation - if you go to a rally for Yanukovych, then we will return the application to you later.

                And here is the top var, as a military-political resource can be proud of. Mostly the fighting defense of the Maidan is carried by Afghans, veterans ... in general, unlike the lesson, real men

                Well, another picture for Romanov:
                1. Gecko
                  Gecko 13 December 2013 19: 36
                  10
                  And we are soared with us, unlike you forever offended by life, we are generally happy with it.
                  Need to work!!! Work!!!
                  1. O_RUS
                    O_RUS 13 December 2013 20: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: gecko
                    Need to work!!! Work!!!


                    ha ... if labor has made a man out of a monkey, then what can labor do from Ukrainians? what
                    1. Sterlya
                      Sterlya 13 December 2013 20: 23
                      +1
                      Quote: O_RUS
                      Quote: gecko
                      Need to work!!! Work!!!


                      ha ... if labor has made a man out of a monkey, then what can labor do from Ukrainians? what

                      It's scary even to think. some have done a little work. "exceptional" became. Ukrainians would definitely surpass them.
                    2. shevron
                      shevron 14 December 2013 16: 27
                      +2
                      No need to be rude - Slovenian brothers. Not all of us are conscious, and SOMEONE uses this
                      1. O_RUS
                        O_RUS 14 December 2013 21: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: shevron
                        SOMEONE takes advantage of this


                        Well, who pays and uses it.
                        At least take the lease of agricultural land in. state. So everyone can "chop off".
                  2. shevron
                    shevron 14 December 2013 16: 24
                    -1
                    And do not watch the news Send this entire policy to ... No need to sell And it will get really bad "Take new rifles"
                2. O_RUS
                  O_RUS 13 December 2013 19: 43
                  +6
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  Yes, a good approach from the Yanukovych for the eastern workers, who, in the naive opinion of the Russians support them


                  it was written by a person born in 1975 ...?
                  1. Walker1975
                    Walker1975 13 December 2013 21: 00
                    0
                    Exactly. They are absolutely right. By the way, the wife is a budget employee, works in the library - they demand 50 people from their system on pain of dismissal for Yanukovych, relatives call from Nikolaev - similarly.
                    1. bddrus
                      bddrus 14 December 2013 08: 15
                      +6
                      how many days already require? or went or fired - or are you lying?
                3. Ziksura
                  Ziksura 13 December 2013 21: 37
                  +9
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  . Mostly the military defense of the Maidan is carried by Afghans, veterans ...

                  In what year did the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan take place? How old should veterans be? Somehow the milk pumps which we see on the Maidan do not look like "veterans". Or do you mean the NATO "dance" ??? Yes!!! Authoritative people for us !!!!!
                  In addition to a frame from a humorous series, are there any arguments? No? Well, okay ....

                  And remember: IN RUSSIA, A VERY FEW FRONTS READY WITH ENTHUSIASM TO DESTROY THE OWN STATE.
                4. rolik
                  rolik 14 December 2013 09: 06
                  +5
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  Well, another picture for Romanov:

                  And where do you see people in the top photo ???? Svetlakov's hero is much more intelligent and erudite, in comparison with these "people". He even conducts a polemic with the TV, but those are only a monologue. Spiritualized faces of Klitschko and Tyagnibok are especially bright with their intellect. Well, literate speech is simply amazing)))))))
                  Tyagnibok is especially colorful))) and, in my opinion, I already saw him)))) How are the similarities ??? one to one)))))))))
                5. Rusich51
                  Rusich51 14 December 2013 11: 35
                  +3
                  Walker1975 - no need to hamster.
                  In Little Russia, the gorlopans from the west dashed to the rostrum and drive the chukhnu. Declare impeachment and re-election then. And it’s a shame to go to the service of the Panas.
              7. Victor-M
                Victor-M 13 December 2013 19: 41
                +6
                Quote: morpex
                Stsuki! Teachers are being detained for their salaries (my wife works at school, I know what I’m talking about) and then I’ll take the grandmother on the road and please -

                Why are you so excited, maybe people also want to earn some money on the Maidan, otherwise everything is in western Ukraine, and then, why didn’t the doctors and teachers bring money to them, but only to Lviv, Polish and Baltic provocateurs, no order, Ukrainian brothers-Natsik should share with them yourself, if you really worry about ordinary people.
            3. Tersky
              Tersky 13 December 2013 11: 54
              +7
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              That the Ministry of Emergencies ordered to provide people with food, heat.

              In the meantime, this odious figure "took up" this. It is worth remembering that in 1999 she was responsible for the US policy towards Russia and the Caucasus countries and, in this capacity, was awarded a medal by the Minister of Defense for working with the Russians during the NATO war against Yugoslavia. While at the State Department, she took an active part in predicting the position of the Russian government during this war and the negotiations at Rambouillet. And, judging by the award, it justified the hopes of its chiefs. So this bread will turn out to be bitter. For to the three-headed opposition subject in the person of Klitschko, Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok, the US Deputy Secretary of State brought the thesis, the main meaning of which is simple: it is not recommended to cut the power, because there will be blood. Better to choke power. And the people themselves will die out ...
              1. bddrus
                bddrus 13 December 2013 12: 45
                +6
                for whom do they hold Ukrainians ???
                I would have stroked her head, as if I’ve come to the flawed
                1. SHILO
                  SHILO 13 December 2013 20: 29
                  +8
                  Quote: bddrus
                  for whom do they hold Ukrainians ???
                  I would have stroked her head, as if I’ve come to the flawed


                  For whom? For whom do they hold themselves. Neither more nor less.
              2. pinachet
                pinachet 13 December 2013 14: 02
                10
                .... "Here the bourgeois are sitting and thinking: what is it to do to them? Suddenly they see: the Bad Boy crawls out from behind the bushes and straight to them.
                - Rejoice! he shouts to them. “That's all I, Bad Boy, did.” I chopped wood, I pulled hay, and I lit all the boxes with black bombs, with white shells and with yellow cartridges. That's about to crash!
                Then the bourgeoisie rejoiced, quickly wrote down the Malchish-Plohish into their bourgeoisie and gave him a whole barrel of jam and a whole basket cookies.
                Sits Malchish-Plohish, eats and rejoices.

                Arkady Gaidar.
              3. Cherdak
                Cherdak 13 December 2013 18: 43
                +5
                ... despite the warnings of the prophetess Cassandra and the priest Laocoon, who, knowing the tricks of the enemy, exclaimed: “Quidquid id est, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes” - “Whatever it is, I'm afraid of Danians, even gifts that bring!”
              4. Rusich51
                Rusich51 14 December 2013 11: 44
                +2
                The State Department drove a packet of cookies and a jar of jam Bad. And here they want to fuck Little Russia for free.
            4. garlik
              garlik 13 December 2013 12: 01
              -2
              hear how novels differ from zapadentsev, the same bastard
              1. morpex
                morpex 13 December 2013 12: 53
                0
                Quote: garlik
                hear how novels differ from zapadentsev, the same bastard

                You would have replaced the flag with a clown, on the attributes of your teacher Adolf Aloizovich .. He, too, okromya Aryans did not recognize any right to the existence of foreigners ...
                1. garlik
                  garlik 13 December 2013 15: 51
                  +1
                  and you’re probably not a Marine, but you’ll probably find yourself a smelly Eurogay, but I’ve given a flag to the site, I would have changed it myself bully
            5. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 13 December 2013 14: 00
              +9
              Captain Vrungel (3)
              ... Maidan came out to defend its principles and ideology ...
              The people want a legal, democratic state. What is bad here?


              On December 5, 2013, People’s Deputy of Ukraine Olga Levchenko and deputy assistant Igor Shapoval visited police in the hospital who were injured during the maintenance of public order near the monument to V.I. Lenin from a gangster attack of vandals during the so-called "peaceful assembly of citizens" on the Maidan.

              According to O. Levchenko, the victims are not only in a difficult physical, but also in a moral state. They said that it is very difficult to hear around the clock such one-sided media coverage of the events on the “Euromaidan”. Why do the media talk about the victims of the protesters, and do not mention a word about the police - people honestly doing their duty?

              According to the victims, everything was calm, but suddenly a crowd came in, led by deputies from Freedom. There were several times more attackers than police officers. A crowd of angry young men threw sheets of plywood, sticks, boards, metal pins into the guards of the order. Flammable liquid was poured on the police, burning smoke bombs flew into them, bandits sprayed tear and asphyxiating gas. According to doctors, a lot of police turned to them with burns of the upper respiratory tract. The company bus was punctured. The victims have their heads broken, lips split, teeth broken, hands broken, ...

              And this frantic crowd, armed to the teeth with chains, metal hammers, cables, is called “myrne zibrannya” in our country !?
              http://www.opentown.org/news/25094/?fm=57573
              So you solve your problems peacefully, without destroying the state, go to the polls, but don’t bring the matter to bloodshed and civil war.
              1. 222222
                222222 14 December 2013 00: 29
                +5
                vladimirZ RU Yesterday, 14:00 p.m. ↑
                it’s very hard to hear around the clock such one-sided media coverage of events on the “Euromaidan” ...
                and under whom the media? two TV channels broadcast the most about Maidan - the main Maidan horns ..
                -5-channel "honest novin" - owner Poroshenko ..
                -TVI- Chief editor of TVi channel Vitaliy Portnikov employee of RS "Svoboda" http://tvi.ua/author/vitalij_portnykov/author_id/7
                .. and on the main national channel, the program of the schuster is either Italian by citizenship or Canadian ..- by shustirization of the whole country ..
            6. alex13-61
              alex13-61 13 December 2013 16: 15
              +8
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              . Independence Square came out to defend its principles and ideology.

              Even if this is so, why should one not let the opponents of European integration speak? Do you think that your opinion is the only correct one? Why didn’t anyone from the opposition give a hint about holding an all-Ukrainian referendum on European integration?
            7. Don
              Don 13 December 2013 17: 15
              +8
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              Independence Square came out to defend its principles and ideology.

              Oh how! It is interesting that on the Maidan for ideology?
              1. Gecko
                Gecko 13 December 2013 19: 53
                +7
                Probably anarchy
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            9. Rusich51
              Rusich51 14 December 2013 11: 06
              +2
              Captain Vrungel, the truth is on the side of Romanov on this issue. Rusichi in Little Russia must repel the pogans from the west, and only then solve the problem of Yanukovych.
          2. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 13 December 2013 09: 36
            -4
            Romanov memo from the regionals. Find the culprit.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 09: 59
              22
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              Romanov memo from the regionals.

              Naive Captain Vrungel-maidan not for the EU, maidan against the government wink
              1. Liss.
                Liss. 13 December 2013 10: 51
                +3
                In your picture: are the ES flags on the tents just a heater or "shob garniishe bulo"? This is to your answer
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Naive Captain Vrungel-maidan not for the EU, maidan against the government
                1. polly
                  polly 13 December 2013 11: 16
                  11
                  Yes, this is an advertisement for a European company that makes reliable "democratic roofs"! wink First she covers her, and then he says "This is our cow, and we milk it ...!"
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 13 December 2013 11: 45
                  +8
                  Quote: Liss.
                  In your picture: are the ES flags on the tents just a heater or "shob garniishe bulo"? This is to your answer

                  Yeah, and this is a competition of children's drawings on the Maidan.
                  1. O_RUS
                    O_RUS 13 December 2013 19: 48
                    +6
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yeah, and this is a competition of children's drawings on the Maidan.


                    alas ... the independence negatively affected the health of some Ukrainians
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            2. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 13 December 2013 10: 33
              +4
              this is really "FIVE"
        2. Encoder
          Encoder 13 December 2013 09: 50
          +1
          Why are they, in your opinion, completely suicidal, are they crazy? All that you painted so colorful can destroy those who you think has started it all, already at times. (or do you think that some foolish people are here?)
        3. EtickayaSila
          EtickayaSila 13 December 2013 10: 10
          11
          The people want a legal, democratic state. What is bad here.?
          Nothing ... But only if the people want democratic and legal, then where does the crowd of impudent juvenile freaks with chains? No guys, do you want a rule of law - act in the legal field, declare a referendum, impeach or wait for elections through the parliament, and the burnt gopot and three downs on the podium have nothing to do with democracy and the law.
        4. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 13 December 2013 10: 14
          13
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The state destroys Yanukovych, or rather destroyed.


          - For your information, the destruction of the country takes place from the 93 to this day! Believe me, I better know.

          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The people want a legal, democratic state. What is bad here.?


          - There is nothing bad here. And the people want to live humanly, just! He is tired of surviving every day.

          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The people want a legal, democratic state.


          - the majority, standing on the Maidan, work on NCOs for 100 hryvnia. And those nonhumans who destroy monuments do not at all want any kind of shit!

          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          release their bandits and provoke skirmishes between Maidan and anti-Maidan


          - tell me, dear! And who actually provokes? Is it not the European Commissioners who came to Kiev and chanted various kinds of PROVOCATIVE SLOGOPS!

          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          This is reliable information transmitted from the administration of the governor.


          - who transmitted: dirty, hypocritical and deceitful Western media? !! - Already we know how they work and for whom!

          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Here is a photo of a bunch of paid maidanutyh.


          - I have these photos and videos the whole album at home, on the computer. Classmates, sent ...

          PS Dear Sinner, against you, I have nothing. But you seem to have been bombarded by Western media.
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        6. Egoza
          Egoza 13 December 2013 10: 40
          10
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Here is a photo of a bunch of paid maidanutyh.

          Great shot! Cool filming guys! And here is the square itself!
          area without people


          But it seems soooo big!
        7. Garrin
          Garrin 13 December 2013 10: 44
          +8
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Here is a photo of a bunch of paid maidanutyh.

          I would say, not just Maidan, but also demoniac.
        8. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 13 December 2013 10: 49
          13
          Don’t tell me nonsense, I have a niece in Zhytomyr, 9 called her, they say the buses came, they clicked the cry for Klitschko, sit down for 500 g. per day. And the people said, the so-called opposition also will not lead to happiness. They are also paid. And who is speaking out from the people? Just tell me who is from the people? Probably a Jew, Yatsenyuk, or a German citizen, Klitschko, is ill for Ukraine? Who should bring you fortunately? You’re about to rage for 22 years, 4 presidents, but what's the point? As the Kievite Bulgakov said in the Dog’s heart, devastation is primarily in the head!
        9. bddrus
          bddrus 13 December 2013 11: 06
          +5
          not for the CU or the EU, but against Yanukovych - this is the manipulation of pure water.
          "This is reliable information" - well, they would say so right away, otherwise we doubt the inscriptions on the fence and think that there is firewood behind it.
          The purpose of the hangout? so now it’s not the opposition that the Maidan gathered?
          Against Yanukovych? and what are the inscriptions by the way instead of a Christmas tree dressed up?
          1. Anper
            Anper 13 December 2013 13: 13
            +2
            Quote: bddrus
            what are the inscriptions by the way instead of a Christmas tree dressed up?

            Yesterday at 23.00 there was another "Khutin - puy! Yanukovych - Putin's lackey". They only saw it on the wall, not on the tree.
            1. bddrus
              bddrus 13 December 2013 18: 15
              +4
              here I am about the same - that in every possible way denying all the same "in spite of Russia"
        10. Stanislas
          Stanislas 13 December 2013 11: 41
          +6
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Here is a photo of a bunch of paid maidanutyh

          déjà vu. You can find similar old photos of Manege Square in Moscow. They also imprinted by no means paid, but still a little Maidan masses of people tired of the deficit, embezzlement and general mess of the last years of the USSR. But the weather on the Maidan is not done by these people, they are being manipulated by completely self-serving beneficiaries, I think, for the most part, those responsible for organizing the mess that got the people. Where did Russia and Ukraine end up after that sucker? Something like this.
        11. pensioner
          pensioner 13 December 2013 12: 03
          +6
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          They are demanding that they stop the bandit lawlessness of Yanukovych’s power.

          Yeah ... And then the flags of the United States and the European Union, then why should they?
          1. oaziss
            oaziss 13 December 2013 15: 48
            +1
            Quote: retired
            Yeah ... And then the flags of the United States and the European Union, then why should they?


            To be precise, it should be said that there are different flags there, including the Russian one.
            http://glavnoe.ua/news/n157527
        12. Anper
          Anper 13 December 2013 12: 52
          +1
          I do not agree with everything, but. generally. correctly.(this is to the video) Black pauses are deleted frames.



          By the way. it only now dawned on why they left Putin in the image of Hitler, and did they make the caricatured Yushchenko and Yanek cut out? Here is a YouTube corrupt!
        13. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 13 December 2013 13: 14
          11

          http://takie.org/news/evromajdan_millionov/2013-12-04-7894

          This photo with the caption “We are already a million” went public. Like, it's a million Kievites right now protesting on the Maidan against Yanukovych.

          It turned out that the picture was taken back in 2004, and not at protests, but during the celebration of Independence Day. And the number is known - the whole area and the whole Khreshchatyk (you can’t even see it) - about 130 000 people. About millions of people are not talking.

          Here is such a handshake rushing from the "European revolutionaries".
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 14 December 2013 02: 29
            +2
            Our "friends" from the West taught them to exaggerate! Here's what is interesting to me everywhere at first they said that the Kievites came out from 500 to 600 to 900 thousand people. In Kiev, the population is about 2.6 million, let's take the average figure, let it be 750 thousand.! And it turns out that in Kiev, in the capital of the country, where every 3 (4) went to the Maidan, including babies, pensioners and disabled people who require a gang to get out)! does not study does not work! And by the way, how to accommodate so many people with tents and columns on such an area? Correctly only as a herring in a bank, by the way, the Maidan Pomors have a box for fish!
            But in the photo Beaver Stadium / Beaver Stadium. This stadium has a 106 seating capacity. 572 is the second largest in the USA. The stadium was built in 1960 year and originally housed 46 284 people. Beaver Stadium is located on the campus of the University of Pennsylvania. Beaver Stadium - the home arena of the university's American football team - Penn State Nittany Lions.
            As the saying goes, "exaggerate" is not to roll bags laughing
        14. Don
          Don 13 December 2013 17: 04
          +8
          Well, slogans rushed again. It turns out that the Maidan is not for Europe. And then what are the EU flags doing there? And at whose expense is all this banquet? Or do you want to say that there are no costs because of what the idea is, not money?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          having received a slap in the left, substitute under the right.

          A hint of overclocking? So, what shouldn't have been? You recall how in civilized EU countries rallies disperse?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The state destroys Yanukovych, or rather destroyed.

          Yes? I wonder what? That wants to accept the budget for next year to accept that would pay pensions and salaries to state employees? Or the fact that the association agreement is not signed? What exactly?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          To return the territory of Urkain, holding "on concepts", to the legal field of the state of Ukraine

          Oh how! So I agree. Let's just start with the Maidan. To begin with, we will arrest everyone who captured the city hall, then everyone who shouted and urged people to overthrow the government (Article 109). Acceleration of people on the barricades and the dismantling of the barricades. Then it will be by law. On the specifics.
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The people want a legal, democratic state. What is bad here.?

          Nothing wrong, great, I agree. Only now we’ll dismiss Yanukovych, and who will come? This is the three, what on the Maidan of saints makes itself? Will corruption disappear right away in the country? Will I stop taking bribes? Will the courts become honest? I would like to believe, but hardly. All this already passed in the 2004th.
          Enough of revolutions. Do you want everything to be democratically? You are welcome. Wait for the presidential election and parliament.
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Bandits of power, without honor and conscience, hypocritical and vile, vile and arrogant

          Blah blah blah.
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          using admin resources, they drive thousands of bonded oligarchs and people's power to anti-Maidan in Kiev

          laughing You won’t even believe how many people in Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa or Sevastopol would like to come to Kiev, and not just to wave flags, but to shout slogans, and wipe the asphalt with your faces. While most of the country's population is working, they arranged a vacation here for themselves. And we don’t eat because we need to work. At least someone should fill the budget. And about bonded, well, you’ve made fun of me. laughing Do not grind nonsense. People in Kiev will look, instead of sitting at work, and many will also receive money.
          1. Don
            Don 13 December 2013 17: 10
            +5
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            imitation capture of government buildings

            Do you live in this universe or dimension? And what freedom still has not captured government buildings?
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Lies Kiselev, or rather feces, pours.

            What exactly is a lie?
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Here is a photo of a bunch of paid maidanutyh.

            They brought the Maidanut people from western Ukraine and found them in Kiev, and now everything turns out to be democratically, and if people are brought from the South-East, it turns out to be forcible. Good D.O.r.a.ch.k.a. make yourself up. We are all straight slaves in the Southeast. Not all of us support Yanukovych, but certainly not to support you.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 13 December 2013 20: 38
              +4
              Quote: Don
              Not all of us support Yanukovych, but certainly not to support you.

              Sergei! hi hi hi hi
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        16. acute
          acute 13 December 2013 17: 33
          +3
          nevertheless, everyone scolds Russia. And the monument to Lenin, like a spit in our direction. I don’t understand, maybe Russia should turn back to them and stand like that?
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura 13 December 2013 22: 01
            +2
            Quote: akut
            I don’t understand, maybe Russia should turn back to them and stand like that?

            To fans of European values ​​backwards? !!!! No !!! I do not even agree in armored vehicles !!!!! laughing

            And if without jokes: It will not help. In everything, always and for any reason, Russia will be to blame for this public. request
        17. Cherdak
          Cherdak 13 December 2013 18: 34
          +5
          In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, using the public electronic cadastral map of Kiev, they calculated the approximate number of people that physically can accommodate the accessible territory of Independence Square and part of the street. Khreshchatyk from the street Gorodetsky to st. Slotted, with sidewalks and roadway.

          Given that on 1 sq. M. in the winter period (use of winter clothing) only 2 people can be accommodated, the above-mentioned territory, where social and political events are taking place today, can only physically accommodate about 100 thousand people.

          http://antiliber.blogspot.fi/2013/12/blog-post_8682.html
        18. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 14 December 2013 00: 51
          +2
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The state destroys Yanukovych, or rather destroyed.

          Wow, how much! And what did Yushchenko and Kuchma do, admired the landscapes of the Dnieper? Yanukovych, whatever one may say, is their "seed" ...
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          On the Maidan are not for the CU or the EU. They are demanding that they stop the bandit lawlessness of Yanukovych’s power.

          Well, yes, of course ..., with EU flags, EU ambassadors, and state representatives. Where were they all before, since such guardians for justice? Or until Yanek’s refusal to sign an association of gangster lawlessness?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The people want a legal, democratic state. What is bad here.?

          Is it a people who has chains, pipe trunks, Molotov cocktails, Bandera slogans and antics of vandals? Are they for a legal, democratic state?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The bandits of power, without honor and conscience, hypocritical and vile, vile and arrogant, using the administrative resources, drive thousands of forced oligarchs and people’s authorities to Kiev to take anti-Maidan ...

          But the Zapadenites, Svobodovites, militants of radical groups, and half-witted students did not drive to the Maidan. Correctly. They arrived there with euro-gorpolnosty earn money and eat-drink on Eurohalava, while distributing ...
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          ... release your bandits and provoke skirmishes between the Maidan and the anti-Maidan ...

          Which finger sucked out? Did you notice the videos and photos of the hassles and provocations of the national fascists that were already there? And then I saw provocations from anti-Maidan in advance ... which still had not really gathered.
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Mass forced expulsion is reported from all regions. In particular, there is an order. From Odessa region to send 40 thousand people.

          A document about the enforcement, the order can not be laid out the same? Or do you, my dear, not allow the idea that others may have the opposite point of view?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Here is a photo of a bunch of paid maidanutyh.

          Bent photo! And why is this crowd in the photo without flags, posters, banners, as shown in the news? Someone looks a lot like last year’s Queen concert in Kiev, not a rally. Again Vrungel? There is the opportunity to watch online maidan clowning through webcams. And such pictures are taken like this: http://www.bugaga.ru/jokes/1146741710-sposob-manipulirovaniya.html

          So that. Spring, hto de srav ... laughing
        19. vlad_m
          vlad_m 14 December 2013 07: 16
          +2
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Here is a photo of a bunch of paid maidanutyh.



          Listen ... And you can explain why, whenever they want to show how many people went to the Maidan, they show exactly this photo from the free concert of QUEEN and Elton John, which happened in Kiev a year ago? Or is this an example? In the sense that there were so many Maydans, they simply don’t know how to shoot beautifully ... laughing
      2. andrejwz
        andrejwz 13 December 2013 11: 34
        +5
        Quote: makarov
        The author, scratching the ears for those who know how to think, does not always go away ..

        Quote: vladimirZ
        But people should understand that, together with the thieves' regime of Yanukovych, they destroy their own state.

        And those who "know how to think" do not need to understand, their heads are occupied with the ability to think. request
      3. In the book
        In the book 13 December 2013 18: 13
        -3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        But people should understand that, together with the thieves' regime of Yanukovych, they destroy their own state.

        I.e? Is it better to live under the rule of a bandyukovich gang, when the country's budget is a thieves common fund? Where it (the budget) is stupidly stolen and shouted that there is no money for retirement. At the same time building a three-story castles and withdrawing billions into offshore?
        fool
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 13 December 2013 20: 05
          +5
          Quote: Libr
          Where it (the budget) is stupidly stolen and shouted that there is no money for retirement.

          In fact, the budget was just to be adopted at the session, which was ripped off by the oppa and muddied by the Maidan! Then they were not going to. And we have raised pensions this month, as promised. Let them have hryvnias for 55, but this is good, and more were planned further. NEED TO WORK! LIFE YOUR ECONOMY, THEN, AND PENSIONS TO PEOPLE WILL INCREASE!
    2. Victor Kamenev
      13 December 2013 08: 48
      10
      You repeat exactly the thesis of the Euro-revolutionaries, they have nothing to do with it, Yanukovych is to blame for everything. This is an ordinary political approach, revolutionaries always hide behind the people, and make a scarecrow out of the regime, let us recall at least the revolutionary path of Lenin defeated by Euromaid. They piled Lenin, but they follow the Leninist way!
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 13 December 2013 12: 25
        +4
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        They dumped Lenin, but they are following the Leninist path!
        In the book "Three Capitals" the witness of Russian revolutions monarchist V.V. Shulgin wrote that after each revolution in Russia everything becomes as it was, only worse. It seems that this also applies to our time, and not only to Russia.
    3. Dmitry Desnyansky
      Dmitry Desnyansky 13 December 2013 09: 20
      15
      why then Kiev did not rebel? Why did only roguli revolt? Have you thought? I do not see any movement in my city. Natsik as they were in the minority, so they remain. Yesterday, some evroovets from the scene taught maydaun zigovat after the words of Glory to Ukraine.
      Everything was gone, as she said before the prison. Thinking people just laugh with the trinity frotman-etinzon-bakai
    4. common man
      common man 13 December 2013 14: 20
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      rebelled against Yanukovych and his thieves’s shobla, since in almost every city there is a local Yanukovych, who is engaged in the main occupation of stealing the budget on the ground, and this is all over Ukraine.

      So what. In Russia in the 90s, the main occupation of the authorities was the plundering of the country. So what? Divided the country, and put in Putin. Protect the loot. And for this, stability in the country is needed. What the authorities are now doing, to the delight of the population. Or do you think another president will come instead of Yanukovych and immediately stop stealing? Will not stop. First, they will be taken away from Yanukovych's henchmen, then they will be divided among themselves. "Steal the loot" is the motto of all revolutions. But then they will begin to "settle down". The trouble with Ukraine is that "owners" cannot establish themselves there. And, of course, I may be wrong, the main reason for all the "orange revolutions" is that the "owner" from Europe and America strongly claims to be the master of Ukraine. And all these booths are arranged to move the local and Russian oligarchs. You can minus, said what he thought.
    5. vlad52-t
      vlad52-t 13 December 2013 16: 23
      +2
      Yes, Yanukovych is not ice, only a gay-ropean-oriented president will come to power instead of him and you will be "happy". We wanted the best, but it will turn out as always.
    6. shevron
      shevron 14 December 2013 16: 13
      +2
      I sincerely support you and believe that the current situation is continuous provocation by the government and the opposition. political game. the bad thing is that those who are on the Maidan for the idea will not understand in whose hands they are puppets
  5. kaktus
    kaktus 13 December 2013 08: 16
    14
    If you decide first
    Become in the ranks of their fellow citizens -
    Never catch up
    Rushing forward.
    Five minutes later, cursing
    They will run back
    And then, leading the crowd,
    You rush ahead wassat
    G. Oster, "Bad advice"
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 15 December 2013 16: 55
      +1
      Quote: kaktus
      If you decide first
      Become in the ranks of their fellow citizens -
      Never catch up
      Rushing forward.
      Five minutes later, cursing
      They will run back
      And then, leading the crowd,
      You rush ahead
      G. Oster, "Bad advice"

      To the point.+
  6. Normman
    Normman 13 December 2013 08: 17
    +8
    Do not relax. The EU has enough levers of pressure on the current government of Ukraine. The decisive battle is yet to come. Yanukovych is already a waste material, neither the EU nor Russia needs it, nor does Ukraine, by the way. Now there will be a focus called "early presidential elections." Although, this is just my opinion ...
    1. Victor Kamenev
      13 December 2013 08: 57
      10
      It seems that the matter is much worse. The United States began to pursue a "Yugoslav" policy towards Ukraine, if we put aside words, then the Yugoslav scenario of the country's collapse is launched. But even the words repeat the Yugoslav rhetoric. US Department of Defense Hagel and NATO speak out on Ukraine and warn ... "Yugoslavia" near the borders of Russia is not a joke, or a joke that will hardly seem to anyone. I hope the United States and Europe too.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 December 2013 09: 12
        +5
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        "Yugoslavia" near the borders of Russia is not a joke, or such a joke that it will not seem to anyone. I hope the United States and Europe too.

        You yourself said "it was not necessary to destroy the monument to Lenin, he will take revenge."
        What do you think, can it happen that these events will be just a prelude to a change in the social system both in Ukraine and in Russia (a return to the socialist model)?
        1. Victor Kamenev
          13 December 2013 09: 57
          +6
          I would very much like to hope that everything will "resolve", this is possible only with a trilateral summit. As long as the West is going to split Ukraine, this can be a prelude to anything. But there will definitely not be a return to the socialist model, you cannot enter this water twice. No one in history has ever been able to return to the past - this is a myth. There will be something different, new, although some traditions of the past can be used.
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 15 December 2013 16: 57
            0
            Quote: Victor Kamenev
            But there will certainly not be a return to the socialist model; one cannot enter this water twice.

            Everything goes in a circle, do not promise.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 13 December 2013 10: 10
          +9
          Quote: baltika-18
          What do you think, can it happen that these events will be just a prelude to a change in the social system both in Ukraine and in Russia (a return to the socialist model)?

          It's hard to say now. I think that all the same, the first Russia will begin to change the system, and Ukraine, as always after it ... However, now we fork another
          “Therefore, it is highly likely that the Hutsuls with the Galicians, tired of the concert, songs, dances and idleness, will try to occupy a few more administrative buildings and thereby put an end to the long-suffering of miners from Eastern Ukraine.

          They also can't wait to go to Kiev, remembering how they did in the 90s, how they sat on the asphalt in front of the Verkhovna Rada, knocked their helmets on the asphalt and demanded a salary. Now these strong men, accustomed to holding jackhammers in their hands, have another motive to come to Kiev. Not to demand wages, but to remind about yourself so that their proletarian voice could be heard too. They live bored, there is no money for entertainment. Almost everyone loves to fight, but there is no reason. Therefore, good miners would be grateful to the brothers from Western Ukraine for the main thing - a reason. In addition, some of them hope to settle in the capital after the cleansing of Kiev from the invaders from Galicia and find work here. They are tired of the painful work in kopanks for a long time. "
          http://www.versii.com/news/293277/
          Shl. I advise you to read this article. Good "debriefing" from a serious author - "The Great Revolutionary Migration of Peoples" http://www.versii.com/news/293277/
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 13 December 2013 10: 47
            +5
            Quote: Egoza
            put an end to the patience of miners from eastern Ukraine.

            I remember in my childhood there was the expression "You will see how the lava is crumbling" hi
          2. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 13 December 2013 11: 14
            -7
            Elena! Isn't it easier not to bring the country to a critical mass, and such a mass of people will in any case be uncontrollable and the consequences are not known, except for a lot of blood. Send Azarov to resign and the security forces. Relieve tension in the country. You know which of the oligarchs is behind the Customs Union, who is for the EU. Who supports Yanukovych, who left him. Yanukovych's policy will "maybe blow through" and creates tension. Everything goes to the fact that it will not carry, but will carry it out with great blood to the lynching. What, what and adherents of Yanukovych in the east are not many. So far, they are trying to restrain them by the established scheme "we are against the nationalists of the West." pitting against each other. Well, the Yanukovych regime will extend the time of its death a little more. But you will not deny that Yanukovych and the Party of Regions lost the people's trust even before the Maidan and they need the Maidan to prolong the time of their death. But the terrible thing is that this leads to their agony and dire consequences. We have no opposition, I have spoken about this more than once. There are no leaders there. And the people are not very fond of everyone. So new ones will appear. The political forces will be reformatted. Our salvation lies only in building the state on a federal basis. So that the nonsense of each federal land, before my own eyes, was visible, and not imported from the center. Parliamentary republic. The President is not for us. Immediately infinite and steal pulls.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 13 December 2013 11: 40
              +6
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              The president is not for us. Immediately unlimited and stealing pulls.

              This is what I support. And this does not mean that I do not see WHO is Yanukovych. But I remember very well how the Orange Maidan people demanded that Kuchma be removed immediately, and they pushed Yushchenko down at a run! So what? A year later, literally on all fences in Kiev, inscriptions began to appear: "Danilych! I'm sorry!" That is why I think that this issue should be resolved not under pressure from the crowd! And the fact that the protesters under the leadership of the opposition violated all sorts of laws is a fact! But Popov already says that the "Maidan" inflicted damage on Kiev in tens of millions !!! And who will pay for it and restore it? I doubt that the "Great Trinity" together with the "sufferer" will pay! Out of our pocket again? And why should I, if I am against this EU and the maydanutyhs, have to pay for what they have done to the city?
              1. Captain Vrungel
                Captain Vrungel 13 December 2013 12: 34
                +3
                I agree with you. In Mezhyhir, silence and grace. All the negativity that is compelled to accompany the Maidan is lost for you. But how can people protect their interests. The outburst Maidan 30 is a Maidan of civil solidarity against the lawlessness of power without politicians and their flags. But the authorities did everything so that the Maidan began to acquire a political color. But there is no single leader. Let's hope that the mind wins. But, it seems to me that this does not depend on Yanukovych. A large game of large oligarchs begins and they will begin to crawl out into the light. But Yanukovych and those and others, without regret, are ready to give to the crowd. Too much he and his sons got the business with their arrogance and lawlessness. Between us, who is Popov and the City Council, the same as Katerinchuk the commandant of the city and the maydans council. Today, illegal individuals and organizations.
                The main thing is to find cold heads to stop mutual aggression and to avoid bloodshed. But, while the opposite is observed. The situation is no longer escalating, hysteria begins from the tops of the political forces.
                It's a shame that we treat our presidents like that. They did not deserve respect from the people.
              2. Stanislas
                Stanislas 13 December 2013 13: 22
                +1
                Quote: Egoza
                And who will pay for it and restore?

                You can not disperse the Maidan, cordon it with barbed wire, set guards, give people a tool, appoint foremen and ... Whoever wanted freedom — to freedom with a clear conscience.
      2. 3935333
        3935333 13 December 2013 09: 42
        0
        Do they provoke us?
      3. Rusich51
        Rusich51 14 December 2013 19: 15
        +2
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        It seems that the matter is much worse. The United States began to pursue a "Yugoslav" policy towards Ukraine, if we put aside words, then the Yugoslav scenario of the country's collapse is launched. But even the words repeat the Yugoslav rhetoric. US Department of Defense Hagel and NATO speak out on Ukraine and warn ... "Yugoslavia" near the borders of Russia is not a joke, or a joke that will hardly seem to anyone. I hope the United States and Europe too.

        The revenge of the geyropa is not surprising; the tolerant attitude of the Maloros is surprising.
    2. olviko
      olviko 13 December 2013 14: 49
      0
      "You shouldn't relax"


      Of course. If Ukraine joins the CU, Europe will receive a threat to its exports to Ukraine in the amount of $ 15.6 billion, this is a very tangible loss. The United States, and for much less money, Saddam Hussein tore off his head.
  7. mountain
    mountain 13 December 2013 08: 20
    +4
    The more you bargain, the less they will give you.
  8. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 December 2013 08: 22
    +9
    Klitschko said that this was not vandalism, but the way out, so to speak, of revolutionary enthusiasm. He does not understand, Klitschko said that this is not vandalism, but the way out, so to speak, of revolutionary enthusiasm. He does not understand that “Lenin” will take revenge on them: revolutionaries should not defile other revolutionary symbols.
    Klitschko became a politician? !! Looks like he was hit hard on the head laughing
    1. Sashkessss
      Sashkessss 13 December 2013 10: 20
      0
      After this, they usually become politicians :) They need such hollow-headed
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 December 2013 11: 53
        10
        Quote: Sashkessss
        After this, they usually become politicians :) They need such hollow-headed

        The example with Valuev is not very indicative, this person is a vivid example of the opposite, VERY SMART, BOOKED and INTELLIGENT ... Yes, and no one can call Klitschko a fool, the same no one can, just for all the qualities he also has POLITICAL AMBITIONS. It is impossible to belittle the qualities of the "foe", this is a sure way to defeat.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 13 December 2013 13: 36
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          VERY SMART, READ AND INTELLIGENT

          Maybe they don’t like Valuev after leaving publicly on VK, because of their unwillingness to support the host of this party (P. Durov), who tweeted on May 9, they say that the crowd is celebrating the victory that Stalin won over Hitler for the right to spread rot on my people (I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the retelling, but the meaning of vyser was just that).
  9. major071
    major071 13 December 2013 08: 25
    11
    The second step of the revolution was not completely successful - they captured only the square, several streets and buildings,

    We also had a telephone, a telegraph, train stations, bridges and banks - according to the scenario of 1917 of the year. History must be taught maydaunas revolutionary and the works of V.I. Lenin to seize power.
  10. saag
    saag 13 December 2013 08: 37
    +4
    Quote: makarov
    The people did not rebel for the European Union, about 80% rebelled against Yanukovych and his thieves’ shobla

    Yeah, down with Yanukovych, and who does the people offer instead ????
    1. Dmitry Desnyansky
      Dmitry Desnyansky 13 December 2013 09: 34
      +8
      And the opinion of the people of someone interested? Vitalka needs a presidential belt
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 13 December 2013 10: 51
        +2
        Quote: Dmitry Desnyansky
        Vitalka needs a president belt

        According to Web (Double ... b) laughing
    2. Liss.
      Liss. 13 December 2013 10: 36
      +8
      The trouble is when a separate organ imagines itself as a whole organism. It can retain signs of vital activity for a certain time, but it is not viable ...
      Here today:
      -when each subsequent president is a degrading copy of the previous one;
      -when each Rada is a bunch of aggressive oligophrenics gathering for fist fights and demonstrations of T-shirts and embroideries;
      -when Orthodox schismatic priests on the Maidan defend the rights of homosexuals;
      -when savages brought to the capital are ready to make a coup by changing the THIEN to a BOXER;
      -when in this capital, a hero city, the nationalist party wins;
      -when they get a drive-high from beating defenseless conscripts of "Berkut", their sons;
      -when an intelligent, cheerful and economic people is turned into a petty-quarrelsome, envious-evil tribe of nomads - "migrant workers";
      -when the dream and goal of the most active part of the population is free access to cleaning Italian closets and washing asses to Italian pensioners;
      - Is it really so important WHO will once again hide behind the word "people" and who will be pushed back from the "helm of the authorities"?

      You just need to admit: LLC "Nezalezhna Ukraina", a bankrupt company, is subject to closure, a "crisis manager" is required.

      It remains only to make a choice - "either-or"
      or EU
      or Russia.
      1. Liss.
        Liss. 13 December 2013 10: 44
        +3
        I don’t know what the authorities will choose ("the people are silent" - AS Pushkin).
        Or kulesh at the fraternal 300 summer table,
        or hypothetical croissants from new owners (not friends).
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    4. makarov
      makarov 13 December 2013 11: 02
      +1
      well .. if you really ask me very much, then I thought ... maybe I agree laughing
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 13 December 2013 13: 54
        +1
        Quote: makarov
        if you really ask me very much, then I thought ..

        Only instead of a kulesh, it is better to insist on dumplings if fat chickens are running around somewhere else!
    5. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 13 December 2013 13: 04
      +6
      Quote: saag

      Yeah, down with Yanukovych, and who does the people offer instead ????

      It is necessary for the Ukrainians to unite with the Belarusians and get an excellent president automatically. And that the gentleman of fortune will be replaced simply by a gentleman.
      1. garlik
        garlik 13 December 2013 15: 55
        +2
        Russia certainly needs Lukashenko as well. I think if he had participated in the election of Prezik and in Russia, for him there would be a majority
        1. Yegorchik
          Yegorchik 13 December 2013 18: 50
          +5
          Of course, the Old Man is the only decent president in the CIS. If I have a choice, I always try to buy Belorusskoe, handsome men without oil trillions keep the country in order both in the economy and in social programs, purely in industry and agriculture.
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  11. officer29
    officer29 13 December 2013 08: 42
    +3
    The "sacred sacrifice" of the Maidan almost did not work out! But it almost doesn't count! And they begin to suck wherever possible the footage from the video, where every soldier of the Internal Troops, who participated in the dispersal, wished to apply the "democratizer" to the "maydanut" lying on the asphalt. Yanukovych lacks the decisiveness of his colleague Lukashenko, who quickly and harshly dispersed the free "maydanuts" in spite of the cries of the gayrope.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 December 2013 10: 16
      +4
      Quote: officer29
      And they begin to suck wherever possible the footage from the video, where every soldier of the Internal Troops, who participated in the dispersal, wished to apply the "democratizer" to the "maydanutom" lying on the asphalt.

      Best read article
      The commander of the "Berkut" spoke about the cleaning of the Maidan
      http://polemika.com.ua/article-133406.html
  12. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 December 2013 08: 57
    +2
    and this woman from the Gayrosoyuz so terrible. at first the man thought, that is, gay. but the woman said. believed
  13. maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 13 December 2013 09: 15
    +2
    It seems to me that Yanukovych, with his policy "both ours and yours," should generally lose the support of all political groups (European integrators are already against him, and supporters of the CU recoiled after his raid on the EU). And in general, all his throwing looks like an attempt to sell at a higher price. A weak politician, incapable of strong-willed decisions and an independent policy. Under his nose, politicians from Brussels, Vilnius, Tbilisi openly call from the stands of the Maidan to overthrow the legally elected government, and he swallows it without even having the strength to unblock the captured city hall building.
    At the same time, the author of the article puts a plus for "endurance" of the presidential power, but this endurance looks like cowardice. In this situation, it was necessary to follow the example of A. Lukashenko: an attempt to carry out a color revolution in Minsk was suppressed quickly and effectively. And the label "dictator" glued by the Euro-liberals to the daddy hangs on any politicians pursuing an independent policy.
    Yanukovych has a chance with his amoeba-like politics to go down in history as the person who caused the collapse of Ukraine (God forbid, of course).
  14. Known who
    Known who 13 December 2013 09: 25
    0
    Grain split Ukraine fall on fertile soil. In essence, Ukraine currently consists of three nationalities: Crimeans - aspiring with the help of Crimean Tatars to form if not a state, then very broad autonomy (Muslims), eastern Ukrainians - with a developed economy oriented towards Russia (Orthodox Christians) and western Ukrainians or Bandera - denying any unity with Russia (professing uniatism).
    Essentially, law-abiding Euro-emissaries intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign state and invest in a coup d'etat, which frees the hands of the current government to take an adequate response.
    Now Yanukovych needs to show restraint and hold out until December 19, and there the holidays will begin (which is sacred for Bandera) and frosts, the Maidan will resolve itself. This is where it will be necessary to take appropriate measures for the activists, so to speak, to give everyone their due.
  15. Archikah
    Archikah 13 December 2013 09: 41
    +4
    Not brothers Ukrainians. It's time! Take a run across two Ukraine. One is Russian-oriented, and the second is Western. It will remain on one mov, and on the second it will be transferred to surzhik. Everything is back to square one. So it was - and so it will be. East and south of Ukraine to Russia. Well, the rest to choose from. soldier
  16. vvkroxa
    vvkroxa 13 December 2013 09: 52
    12
    The people did not rebel for the European Union, about 80% rebelled against Yanukovych and his thieves’ shobla

    Uh-huh ...... Approximate prices for standing on maydaun: 250 hryvnia for a day, 350 for a day, if you fight, 500 hryvnias. Eight hryvnia is equal to one dollar approximately (for an even account). Recently from Kharkiv the "Resistance Headquarters" or whatever they sent it with fanfare as much as 5! machines in support of the maydaun. I will not say for everyone, but the overwhelming majority of Kharkiv residents openly laugh with the "rebellious" roguly, talked with the people of Kiev, they have the same position, they say that roguly have dirtied everything, there are stinks all around, the buildings and streets they seized are smashed and plundered in the pursuit of revolutionary enthusiasm. As they say, the people of Kiev are NOT there! The statement is, of course, controversial, but it means that there are no residents of Kiev (Kiev, like many other cities, works), but there are paid band.er.log visitors. By the way, this word is not abusive and has nothing to do with Bandera and his followers, it came from Kipling and his Mowgli, there is such a scene when a herd of monkeys Kaa hypnotizes. And by it is meant a herd of easily suggested and controlled monkeys, which we observe. Bander = monkey, log = people, we have a people of monkeys.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 13 December 2013 10: 02
      0
      Quote: vvkroxa
      As they say, Kiev is not there! The statement is certainly controversial, but it means that it is not the people of Kiev (Kiev, like many other cities, it works) but there are newcomers to paid band.er.logs.

      Well, how will the people of Kiev not be there if they once dragged the fascist Tyagnibok with his "Freedom" into the parliament?
      1. vvkroxa
        vvkroxa 13 December 2013 10: 20
        +1
        Therefore, he said that the statement is controversial. Its meaning is this: I didn’t communicate with the people of Kiev in the first generation, and it pains them to watch Kiev turn from a cultural city into a big crap village, where the people who bought apartments and call themselves Kievites rule the ball.
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    2. avt
      avt 13 December 2013 10: 30
      +5
      Quote: vvkroxa
      Yeah ...... Approximate prices for standing on the maydaun: day 250 hryvnia, day 350, if you fight, 500 hryvnia

      We have already forgotten how the EBonovskys in the 90s, when the discord with the Supreme Council went, they gave 80-100 $, a drink and a sandwich to have a snack on Vvsilievsky Spusk, well, when now they pay extra - of course, not everyone has "ideological" ones, then, Surkov propaganda, "but now, after Nulad from the State Department has fed cookies on the Maidan from his hands, you can shout that they don't take money, just some kind of pedigree, dry food for pets.
    3. Liss.
      Liss. 13 December 2013 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: vvkroxa
      The people did not rebel for the European Union, about 80% rebelled against Yanukovych and his thieves’ shobla

      This is understandable.
      “Against Yanyk!” Is the slogan.
      And where is the end point?
      Three guide where the rebels lead?
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  17. major071
    major071 13 December 2013 10: 05
    +6
     Dmitry Desnyansky
    And the opinion of the people of someone interested? Vitalka needs a presidential belt

    And Vovku at the premiere? Both are strongly hit on the head.
  18. Turkestan
    Turkestan 13 December 2013 10: 08
    +5
    Dear friends. But actually, what happened in Ukraine? Two bourgeois groups find out relations among themselves, setting the Ukrainian population against each other. The difference between them is not what. It’s bad if all this bacchanalia ends in blood.
    Monument to Lenin thrown off, how many beast scream. Well, well, I think in Ukraine there will be exactly the same young people as anti-fascists of left-wing beliefs who will destroy all the monuments of nationalist gorlopans. As for the Yugoslav variant in Ukraine, Ukraine is far from Yugoslavia antics with a rattling with weapons here will not pass Russia side by side and the people of the wrong SALT.
    1. vladim.gorbunow
      vladim.gorbunow 13 December 2013 11: 08
      0
      And then, Ukraine is not Yugoslavia? Humanitarian bombing equalizes everyone.
    2. Anper
      Anper 13 December 2013 13: 20
      +3
      Quote: Turkestan
      and Ukraine will find exactly the same young people as anti-fascists of leftist beliefs,

      Exactly the same people of leftist persuasion in Lugansk, it seems, collected 36 (or 38? - according to the number of "svobodovtsy" in the Verkhovna Rada) cans of petroleum jelly and sent them to Kiev to the address "Verkhovna Rada. Svoboda" party with an accompanying commentary something like "for easier entry into Europe".
  19. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 December 2013 10: 11
    0
    But really, what will the Ukrainians themselves be from dividing Ukraine? Everyone who wants to let them flee to Geyropa has a good tablecloth, and the East may well become part of the Russian Federation, even no one will notice the substitution, you will only pay the ruble, but no more changes, all the sheep are satisfied and the wolves are safe. Putin should have talked with the gentlemen of Wall Street on this topic, I think they should be interested in this proposal.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 13 December 2013 14: 18
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      but no more changes

      This, I think, is annoying many in Ukraine - I don’t want to lose dreams.
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 15 December 2013 06: 17
      +5
      and these gentlemen need the east. from the poor west what to take? maidan?
  20. realist
    realist 13 December 2013 10: 16
    +3
    Any unrest on the borders of Russia - a split in Ukraine (which means a civil war in Ukraine) - is extremely dangerous for the integrity of Russia and deadly for its economy. Just imagine - all southern and half of western transport flows can be interrupted for an indefinite period of time. it’s a brotherly country and people, many families and relatives live there, and if 1200 people went to Syria from all over Europe, imagine how many can go to Ukraine from Russia if there is a military conflict? I'm not saying that the emergence of an independent Crimea with Muslim participation will simply blow up the Caucasus and raise the banner of separatism to an unprecedented height. against the backdrop of the activation of radicals in the Caucasus - remember a rally in Makhachkala and calls for the like in Moscow - all this can become an impetus for gigantic upheavals in Russia with unclear consequences. it is commonplace - but a bad world is better.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 13 December 2013 10: 37
      +4
      That's about the point that in Russia there are more than 5 million Ukrainians. 3rd place of number. In Ukraine, there are also enough Russians. There are many mixed marriages. For so many years, everything was mixed up. how not to take this into account? And how would Ukraine enter the EU okay. The time will come back, but NATO will come for the EU.! Talks are already slipping through, first the EU, then NATO. And there will be no buffer zone at all! Can you imagine the strangers standing on the ground with the blood of Soviet soldiers (including my two grandfathers) being watered? It's hard for me to imagine!
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 13 December 2013 11: 18
        +3
        sorry for "clinging" but how did two Soviet grandfathers have an "oberst" (what does this word mean?)
  21. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 13 December 2013 10: 16
    +1
    They threw off the monument to Lenin. Ungrateful. They don’t know that thanks to V.I. Lenin, the succumbed province became a prosperous Ukrainian Republic? Well, everything is clear with Klitschko. He was hit on the head from childhood. And the rest, what are boxers too? The country of boxers? My poor Donbass. What the pi ... gave you to Ukraine?
  22. officer29
    officer29 13 December 2013 10: 17
    +5
    Ukraine gave a crack ten years ago during the Orange Revolution. Now many have forgotten that at that time a congress of representatives and heads of administration from all southern and eastern regions of Ukraine gathered in Severodonetsk, Luhansk region. Starting from village councils, city heads and ending with governors. There was a representative delegation from Russia with Zhirinovsky and Luzhkov. The issue of the transfer of the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine and Crimea under Russian jurisdiction was discussed. The population of these regions broadly supported this initiative. But, oh, this is "BUT", something happened at the very top of the Russian leadership, as a result of which the Russian delegation was quickly withdrawn, the delegates quickly dispersed to their places. Everyone was ordered to be silent. After Yushchenko came to power, a criminal case was opened on this congress, and in the intervals between interrogations, the persons involved in the case periodically flew to Moscow for consultations. The case was released on the brakes. The most affected were the mayor of Kharkov and the governor of the Kharkov region - they quietly left. Even now, almost no one talks about it or remembers it. And here we talk about grain ...
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 13 December 2013 11: 20
      +6
      19 February 1954 year the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted a decree on the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR. Thanks to this document, Crimea was, in fact, donated by Khrushchev to Ukraine.

      Here it is the very first grain thrown almost 60 years ago.


      Greetings from distant 50x.
      1. user
        user 13 December 2013 14: 08
        +3
        It is a pity that we did not find our Oswald.
      2. marmuzan
        marmuzan 14 December 2013 01: 23
        -3
        How much can you do the same thing.
        And which territory went in return to the RSFSR?
        And for what reason did it?
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 14 December 2013 02: 15
          +2
          And what territory?
        2. Lukich
          Lukich 15 December 2013 06: 22
          +7
          and which one?
        3. Sandov
          Sandov 15 December 2013 17: 04
          0
          Quote: marmuzan
          How much can you do the same thing.
          And which territory went in return to the RSFSR?
          And for what reason did it?

          The bald one just took it and presented it. Just a stupid person - laid a mine.
  23. Jarilo
    Jarilo 13 December 2013 10: 18
    0
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    On the Maidan stand not for the vehicle or the EU. They are standing there demanding to stop the bandit lawlessness of the Yanukovych government. To return the territory of Urkain, which is "based on concepts", to the legal field of the state of Ukraine. The people want a legal, democratic state. What's wrong with that.?

    Let's roll back a little. What happened in Ukraine before the first Maidan.
    GDP growth rate in Ukraine,%
    year value
    2003 9.6
    2004 12.0
    2005 2.9
    2006 7.5
    2007 7.5
    2008 1.9
    2009 -14.5
    2010 4.1
    2011 5.2
    2012 3.0
    Source - CIA World Factbook
    Draw your own conclusions?
  24. air defense veteran
    air defense veteran 13 December 2013 10: 22
    17
    It is clear to everyone not Svidomo that Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians are one nation that, unfortunately, was sworn by sworn friends less than 100 years ago. That is, in fact, ALL WE ARE RUSSIAN!

    Due to the fact that Putin has been completely calm over the past few weeks, while the United States and Europe are literally dripping with tension, but the matter is still not moving towards "association" - something is wrong here.

    Yanukovych can be called "idiot" and so on with unflattering words, but personally to me he reminds me of a fisherman who has caught a fat, hefty fish on a self-made walnut fishing rod and he does not want to miss it!

    Yanukovych meets with everyone, does not deny anyone anything, but does not agree to the end. He is clearly playing for time, mowing like a fool, pretending that he is trying to get out a dozen or two more million Eurotugriks, "in order to quickly stuff them into his pockets" ...

    Half of Europe has already arrived in Kiev to support it. Nuland was blown away, who is next? Kerry? or immediately Obama? It’s bad money to organize and nourish the Maidan, but there is no result!

    Speaking of fish Yanukovych. Who is it insidiously putting a net under her tail?

    The whole world held its breath. Everyone perfectly understands that if the RUSSIANS again (for the umpteenth time this year) replay the west - this will mean a rather quick and sad end for the last ...
    1. Anper
      Anper 13 December 2013 12: 38
      +3
      Very figuratively. artistically and beautifully. To the author plus.
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 15 December 2013 17: 07
      0
      Quote: Air Defense Veteran
      The whole world held its breath. Everyone perfectly understands that if the RUSSIANS again (for the umpteenth time this year) replay the west - this will mean a rather quick and sad end for the last ...

      God forbid. Little Russia, Belarus and Great Russia - this is a force to be reckoned with.
  25. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 December 2013 10: 30
    12
    The people did not rebel for the European Union, about 80% rebelled against Yanukovych and his thieves’ shobla

    An interesting situation is developing on the Maidan ...
    1) Around the EU blue flags (next time I think the NATO and Amer flags will wave)
    2) High-ranking officials from the EU and, most importantly, the US ambassador are walking around the Maidan (smiling sweetly.) And handing out buns to the "rebels" ..
    (THIS IS BLOODY INTERVENTION in the internal affairs of a sovereign state)

    Imagine in the East of Ukraine, at rallies for the vehicle, they will wave the flags of the Russian Federation and the Ambassador of the Russian Federation will feed everyone with red caviar and drink Stolichnaya vodka ....

    I remember in Russia in the US Embassy (for consultations) they invited the "Main Bolotnikov" and ran off to the distillation .. Yes, for this all Russia despises and spits ..!
    So gentlemen maydauny do not hide behind a "fight for freedom"! Your "freedom" across the ocean pulls the strings and grins with pleasure .. No offense, it's just a pity for you as you are bred again !!!!
  26. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 13 December 2013 10: 34
    14
    The execution of the first European integrators of Ukraine in February 1946
    Sheer Paul - lieutenant general of the police, former head of the security police and gendarmerie of Kiev and Poltava regions;
    Burkhardt Karl - Lieutenant General of the Police, former rear commandant of the rear of the 6th Army on the territory of the Stalin (now Donetsk) and Dnepropetrovsk Regions;
    Von Chammer und Osten Eckardt Hans - Major General, former commander of the 213th Security Division, operating in the Poltava region of the Ukrainian SSR, and later - commandant of the main field commandant No. 392;
    Heinish Georg - Ober-Sturmfuhrer SS, former Gebite Commissioner (District Commissioner) of the Melitopol District;
    Vallizer Oscar - captain, former ortskomandant (local commandant) of the Borodyansky inter-district commandant's office of the Kiev region;
    Trukkenbrod Georg — lieutenant colonel, former military commandant of the cities of Pervomaisk, Korostyshev, Korosten and other settlements of the Ukrainian SSR;
    Gellerfort Wilhelm — chief scarfuhrer, former head of the SD (security service) of the Dneprodzerzhinsky district of the Dnipropetrovsk region;
    Knol Emil Emil - lieutenant, former commander of the field gendarmerie of the 44th Infantry Division and commandant of prisoner of war camps;
    Beckenhof Fritz - Sonderfuhrer, former agricultural commandant of the Borodyansky district of the Kiev region;
    Isenman Hans - Chief Corporal, former soldier of the SS Viking Division;
    Yogshat Emil Friedrich - lieutenant commander of the field gendarmerie unit;
    Meyer Willie Willie - Non-Commissioned Officer, former company commander of the 323rd Separate Security Battalion;
    Lauer Johann Paul - Chief Corporal, a serviceman of the 73rd Separate Battalion of the 1st German Tank Army;
    Shadel August - Chief Lance Corporal, former Head of the Chancellery of the Borodyansky Inter-District Ortho Commandant of the Kiev Region;
    Drachenfels-Calluery Boris Ernst Oleg - police officer, former deputy. Commander of the Ostland Police Battalion.
    1. garlik
      garlik 13 December 2013 12: 07
      +6
      My father told me that his mother took him to the square for this event at the age of seven. This is the Maidan.
      1. garlik
        garlik 13 December 2013 16: 03
        +5
        Great people knew how to respond to enemies. And they didn’t finish the reptiles. Now again the scum has fled crying soldier
    2. Turkestan
      Turkestan 13 December 2013 14: 18
      +1
      But for those dullness who was punishedhttp: //kprf.ru/history/soviet/126120.html
    3. morpex
      morpex 13 December 2013 15: 19
      -1
      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
      The execution of the first European integrators of Ukraine in February 1946

      And from what side are these executioners? And where does the Maidan, along with Ham and his oligophrenic politics?
  27. Semurg
    Semurg 13 December 2013 10: 35
    +6
    Symbolically, the word Maidan in the Kazakh language (possibly in the same Turkic languages) has two meanings: area and war. On the topic, Ukrainians do not bring matters to the blood. If Yanukovych got everyone there, there are legal mechanisms for changing the government; it’s difficult for a long time and dreary, but for me it’s better than a split of the country and blood.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 13 December 2013 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: Semurg
      Symbolically, the word Maidan in the Kazakh language (possibly in the same Turkic languages) has two meanings: area and war. On the topic, Ukrainians do not bring matters to the blood. If Yanukovych got everyone there, there are legal mechanisms for changing the government; it’s difficult for a long time and dreary, but for me it’s better than a split of the country and blood.

      in Tatar, about the same. even sooner ring. a place to fight.
      The most interesting if divided. May - oil, dan - glory
    2. In the book
      In the book 13 December 2013 18: 32
      0
      Quote: Semurg
      there are legal mechanisms for changing power

      Do not hesitate if it would be possible
      Quote: Semurg
      hard long dreary

      would do
      "Who will put him in jail? He's a MONUMENT !!" (c) "Gentlemen of Fortune"
  28. Egoza
    Egoza 13 December 2013 10: 48
    +3
    "Kiev is not the capital of the opposition, but of the whole of Ukraine. The authorities are interested in a peaceful and legal settlement of any conflict situation and must act strictly within the framework of the law to restore the constitutional order," said Volodymyr Oliynyk, People's Deputy of Ukraine, member of the parliamentary faction of the Party of Regions, according to the press service of the PR. "The opposition declared the peaceful nature of its manifestations, which must comply with Article 39 of the Constitution of Ukraine. This article does not provide for the seizure of premises, since this is a crime, barricades on the streets are a crime. There is such a phenomenon as checkpoints, which are more characteristic of Chechnya It is a crime. Destruction of monuments is a crime. The appearance on the scene of those who are aggressively disposed and have valves, tear gas, that is, objects that are aimed not at a peaceful solution of the problem, but at the conflict, at beating law enforcement officers, is far from Article 39 of the Constitution ", - said the people's deputy. According to him, when last weekend the leaders of the Maidan began to expand it, began to block more streets and continue to paralyze the activities of the authorities, all utilities, the authorities, no doubt, had to react, otherwise there would be a paralysis of not only the city, but also the life of the state in the whole. “Kiev is not the capital of the opposition, but of the whole Ukraine, and Ukraine is interested in the work of ministries, institutions of medicine, education. Because this (the unstable situation in the country - ed.) Can affect the economy, the payment of pensions, salaries and scholarships. We are not interested in this chaos, ”said Vladimir Oliynyk. "The government acted as in a European country: there is a court decision, there is a procedure for the implementation of such decisions - since this procedure was adopted by the deputies, including representatives of the opposition, they did not raise the issue of abolishing this procedure, because it meets European standards," said the people's deputy. “When such decisions are not voluntarily implemented, the force of law is applied. In this case, thank God, our law enforcement officers acted in a civilized manner and applied soft repression. And Maidan did not resist, because people understood that there was no need to provoke this conflict, ”the politician summed up. Let us remind you that on December 11, at about 10 am, fighters of the special forces "Berkut" and internal troops began cleaning up the barricades on the Independence Square in Kiev. The police detained several defenders of the barricades in the center of Kiev. Clashes broke out between security officials and Euromaidan activists who are on Independence Square. Not only the protesters were injured, but also employees of the internal affairs bodies - XNUMX of them were hospitalized.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133390.html
  29. SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 13 December 2013 10: 52
    20
    We have guys in Ukraine, it turns out that the whole industry of the country is in the East and Southeast of Ukraine, the lion's share of the country's budget is from these regions, the western regions of the universities are all subsidized by the state and we will constantly get paid to them, and they don’t care , they abandoned their families to work in Poland and Western Europe, and then they come and pump their rights. Here we have such justice. And on the Maidan there is the whole of western Ukraine and some offspring from our regions, but this is a shit of orange shit. The big mistake of the USSR’s bull in 1939 when it was annexed to Ukraine, they are not Slavs but Catholics, and they have nothing in common with our Slovenian world. Gypsies are gypsies. We are working and they are arranging a coven, and this scum from the sub-European American brazenly interferes in our internal affairs, motivating them to support Ukraine in the pursuit of democracy, everyone came here. It would be necessary for our East to be supported by the Slovenian brothers from Russia and come to our Independence Square, so that the European integrators would sing. The West needs Ukraine as a deshey seryu and a geopolitical position in the world against Russia, if you surrender Ukraine to the West then consider 4 Reich won the war, lasting 1000 years. After all, Kiev is the capital of Christianity and all of Kievan Rus.
    1. SHAKESPEARE
      SHAKESPEARE 13 December 2013 12: 59
      +9
      This appeal to Fühl and other Western European slop. - Yes, it’s you who have gathered the Maidan from the Euro-fellow, you’ve already spoken with the goats and made it clear that Ukraine should be brought to its knees in the economy and in general, and now that you have lost Ukraine, you’ve sung and screeched, you’re afraid of losing Ukraine as a country rich in natural resources . lands and intelligence. Already everyone has already eaten their own and pro-democracy, you should enter Ukraine and not us. You paskudnik afraid that the USSR would not rejoice. we are doing everything in order to quarrel Ukraine and Russia. But you transvestites will not succeed, we are the Hrestian people and not the Catholic people, and we have our own norm of honor. and dignity, and corrupt puppets like Yaytsenyuk, Tymoshenko, Klyachko, fascist Tyagnisrak, take it all for yourself !!!
      1. SHAKESPEARE
        SHAKESPEARE 13 December 2013 13: 32
        +8
        To citizens of eastern, south-eastern and part of central industrial Ukraine, if you want to constantly keep the western regions of the country on your welfare. Then follow their lead with their imaginary democracy and European integration. They are not doing anything that you control, they are on full state support. The lion's share of beneficiaries for people with disabilities, social benefits like women in labor (and they breed like cats there), all the benefits go there mainly. We work for them and they teach us how to live, impose lustration on the titular nation, what language to speak, erect monuments to the Nazis and their past i.e. past those who raised them to their feet, ruining and Europe will pay for it i.e. monuments of our history. I think we need to ask ourselves about federalization or separation from them. How can you live in the same working-class family with rams?
    2. SHAKESPEARE
      SHAKESPEARE 13 December 2013 14: 14
      12
      I offer warriors to the Aghans those who are on the Euromaidan, that is, mainly officers, to hand over all their orders and medals. The military ranks they received under the USSR, where Lenin is depicted, is a red star, and ask who they fought for. After all, they now stand under the same banner, together with Tyagnibok, Europe, which is part of NATO and where, together with America, Afghanistan killed your friends, comrades. So you are at least determined by the Aghans, of course, real Afghans do not understand the essence of the matter and do not buy the opposition who foment a democratic war in the world. And the officers are there, you got your rank under the USSR, YOU HAVE ALL MEASURES AND PRIVILEGES from there, and now, as you understand, then take off all the merits and ranks. medals. The benefits that you get, and dress in the form of NATO and stand there selling your homeland and your honor, although you no longer have it. God be your judge and prosecutor.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 13 December 2013 15: 35
        -10 qualifying.
        They are not for the EU. Warriors Afghans are against gangster power from your region. They are the honor and conscience of the state, and not corrupt, hypocritical, cynical katals, scammers, gopniks, shoemakers who seized power. Do not la la and pretend that they have changed Ukraine. They protect Ukrana from bandit lawlessness. No need to hide your banditry behind nationalism and NATO. Here they will throw off your bandits, then they will deal with the nationalists. (For reference. There is not a single nationalist near the soldiers. The backbone is made up of border guards, Those on whom the main role of the OUN UPA struggle lay until 1956 (an outbreak of banditry in connection with the Hungarian events). And they fought under the banners of the Soviet Union. Awards Of the Soviet Union. Many of them did not take the oath for the second time, because the oath was taken once and for all their lives. So, do not lie whitening the bandits. They came out to protect the people from the sadists of the golden eagle and fight against the bandits who seized power.
        Honor and Glory to the real warriors-patriots who came to the defense from sadists dressed in uniform and sold for trousers and bones from the master's table.
        1. In the book
          In the book 13 December 2013 18: 34
          -5
          Dear Vrungel, it is useless to prove anything to these comrades here.
          All the same, you will be in their eyes Maidanut Svidomo and Khokhl.
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 13 December 2013 20: 35
            -3
            Uv. Alexander! Thanks for the support. We are convinced that the Imperial ambitions of some northern neighbors are here, a dull rejection of someone else's opinion or point of view. Today's round table showed the complete wretchedness of Yanukovych. Not perception and assessment of the situation. Dull tenacity. He lives in another dimension. He says one thing but does the opposite. A moratorium on the non-use of force, but the explosives are being driven to Kiev from all over Ukraine, the Ministry of Emergencies. There are already cases when a soldier of the Defense Ministry was dressed in a police uniform and driven into a cordon. The BB soldier complained. That they don't let them go to the toilet for hours. Falls into your own pants. The most terrible torture is when they drink something in front of their eyes, and the bladder is already full. But the authorities don't care. She worries about not falling from the toilet. Citizens who are furious, their minuscule. ... Let them rage. These are people without conscience and without honor. To equate internationalist Afghan border guards with nationalists because they protect civilians from a pack of government sadists, because they oppose the bandit regime (Azarov already once had full pants from their visit). It's a pity. our site is closed for Shakespeare and novels. There they would have learned a lot of interesting things about the "nationalist border guards" who passed through Afghanistan and what they are ready for against the prisoner regime.
            1. Anper
              Anper 14 December 2013 02: 16
              +2
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              The worst torture is when people drink something before their eyes and the bladder is already full.

              The worst torture. when they drink something before their eyes, it will be for a person dying of thirst.
              And for a person. who has a full bladder. the worst torture to see. when others go to this toilet. Or hear. Such in the Khreschatyk courtyards yesterday seen enough and sniffed plenty. The same VV soldiers immediately advised a hospital kit - shoe covers and a gauze mask.
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 15 December 2013 17: 13
              0
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              The imperial ambitions of some of the northern neighbors here, a dull non-perception of someone else’s opinion or point of view.

              Do you mean S W P?
        2. Anper
          Anper 14 December 2013 02: 08
          +3
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          The backbone is made up of border guards, Those on whom the main role of the OUN UPA struggle fell until 1956

          What kind of nonsense?
          The border guards who fought with the OUN-UPA until 1956 are on the Maidan (then how old are they?) And the fighters with the OUN-UPA until 1956 were not border guards. They guarded the border. and quite different parts climbed the forests. Or warriors - Afghans - are border guards? And where then did the nationalists from the Maidan? They are there, inside, sharing, it turns out. to some groups? These are Afghans, these are nationalists, these are Polish women, and these are Afghan warriors - border guards?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Many of them did not take the oath a second time, because the oath is taken once and for the whole life.

          And few of them nevertheless took the oath a second time, because the oath was given once and for all their lives.
      2. garlik
        garlik 13 December 2013 16: 00
        +4
        Well done Shakespeare subscribe to all your posts. drinks
      3. Ziksura
        Ziksura 13 December 2013 22: 24
        +1
        Quote: SHEKSPIR
        I offer warriors to the Aghans those who are on the Euromaidan, that is, mainly officers

        Are Afghans ????? Or mummers ???
        In general, "++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++ & quo
        t;
        for the comment.
  30. emeldos2
    emeldos2 13 December 2013 11: 04
    +3
    disgrace HISTORY Dumb Kiev People (amerikosy) there Klitschko with his American wife steers in this Maidan, like in Saakashvili the American wife too. so they dance to all sorts of rubbish, then the orange is the Maidan and then we can Peace dove !!!!
    1. garlik
      garlik 13 December 2013 12: 19
      +3
      She is not from Vitali, the main wife from Kiev is Ukrainian. And Vladimir just arrived. He has no wife but an American girlfriend. True, when the Eurogame Minister Westerveld arrived, he was right there under the arm with him wassat
  31. bubla5
    bubla5 13 December 2013 11: 11
    +2
    only the master wrestles with monuments, because he’s a monument, they’d rather accept them in the EU, everyone is pushing and pushing, and it’s time to close the borders with them, and the fleet needs to be prepared, they will enter the membership, they’ll force them anyway, they’ll have to hurry everything quit. Yes and restore order at home and stop helping everyone and forgiving debts, for debts you can take natural wealth or territory
  32. VADEL
    VADEL 13 December 2013 11: 19
    +4
    I don’t remember that the EU countries were so worried about the accession of other countries to them. In Ukraine, there is a rotten policy of the "offended" - "You did not let us create in Syria- We will be filthy at your side. Don't give a damn about the rest." hi
  33. Muxalet
    Muxalet 13 December 2013 11: 58
    +3
    First. "You already stepped on this rake in 2004."
    The Maidan of 2013, with all its apparent kinship, is different from the events of 9 years ago. In 2004 there was a clear border: there is a "pro-Western" Yushchenko, there is a "pro-Russian" Yanukovych. The first is married to an American woman, the second feeds Medvedev and Putin with sweets at the parade on the Day of Kiev's Liberation. Everything is clear, without halftones, practically the Kursk Bulge. And today in Kiev there is only one Yanukovych, who behaves like a thimble-maker. The Europeans no longer guessed under what cap of his demands lies the ball of European integration. Russia does not want to play a similar game. And Yanukovych cannot play any other game. Therefore, the first thing that is important for Russians to understand: Yanukovych is not a creature of Moscow, on occasion he will throw them in the same way as the European Union.

    Second. "You in Ukraine decided that accession to the EU is at stake, but it is not."
    The vast majority of those who stand on the Maidan do not confuse anything. Everyone understands that the authorities thwarted the Association with the EU (which, first of all, means only a free trade zone), and not Ukraine’s accession to the EU. To write off the Ukrainian protest for naive ignorance is precisely a manifestation of naive ignorance. In addition, by and large, Maidan today is not so much against the breakdown of the Association as against the current government, which offends the citizens of the country both ethically and aesthetically.

    Third. “You beat militiamen with chains and sticks in Kiev, so you got it from the Berkut.
    The Russians do not follow the chronology of the situation and are often confused in the events. We have to remind that there were actually two Maidans. The first began in November, after the country's cabinet announced that it was suspending preparations for signing the Association with the EU. Several thousand people went to the center of Kiev, but the activity of this very first protest quickly faded away. As a result, "Berkut" on November 30 very toughly cleans the square from the last couple of hundred students, chasing the fleeing citizens around the city. And the very next day, half a million Ukrainians take to the streets of the capital. Because it is not customary to beat citizens here, citizens are irritated by this. And all the aggression against law enforcement officers happened after the Ministry of Internal Affairs was the first to use force. By the way, had it not been for the beating of peaceful protesters on November 30, it may well be that there would be no Maidan on the streets of Kiev anymore.

    Fourth. "There are nationalists on the Maidan."
    Guys, if you are shown only nationalists in the news, this is a problem of TV channels, not Maidan. Of course, radicals also stand in the squares, but to say that the Maidan consists only of them is akin to saying that only same-sex families live in Europe. Radical nationalists on the Maidan play the role of a conditional tram bully - having encountered him, you will walk all day in the belief that the people are completely insolent. Not noticing the numerical ratio of normal passengers and busoters. So it is here.

    Fifth. "The Maidan is anti-Russian. They shout there -" he who does not jump is the one ".
    In the three weeks of Ukrainian protests, not a single provocation has occurred against Russians or Russian-speakers on the Maidan. Even the correspondents of Russian state channels, despite all their media activity, could not find anyone willing to give them a black eye. The mayor of Lvov spoke best of all about the chasm "who does not jump," in an interview with the Dozhd TV channel: "Russians are not, Russians have always been respected here." You just have to understand that "b" in Ukraine is not a national marker, but an ideological one. "b" is the one who questions the very possibility of the existence of an independent Ukrainian state project. That's all.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 13 December 2013 14: 53
      +1
      Quote: Muxalet
      You just have to understand that "b" in Ukraine is not a national marker, but an ideological one. "b" is the one who questions the very possibility of the existence of an independent Ukrainian state project. That's all.
      In all Soviet documents in the column "nationality" he always wrote "Ukrainian", although he was born in Russia, like his father, and his mother was also born in Russia, but in her girlhood she also had a quite recognizable Ukrainian surname, although in her passport she had "Russian ". Later, after the collapse of the USSR, having lost common citizenship with the inhabitants of my historical homeland, I began to carefully study this "independent Ukrainian state project" and realized the following: it would be better for me to write "Little Russian", or even "Moskal" ... "the very possibility of existence" of this project.
    2. georg737577
      georg737577 13 December 2013 17: 46
      +2
      I support you, Muxalet. Absolutely correct and adequate description of the situation.

      "Because it is not accepted to beat citizens here, citizens are annoyed by this ..."
    3. Anper
      Anper 14 December 2013 14: 33
      0
      Dear Muxalet, you give a balanced and competent analysis of the situation for the Russian part of the forum, i.e. practically reveal the main points on which the discussion is going on here (and sometimes simple abuse), explaining that most of the forum relies in its assessments on misconceptions (or incorrectly submitted information).
      However, points 6 and 9 clearly fall outside the scope of your analysis - this is a technological topic. So let me ask you a question about technology - what sources did you rely onwhen they wrote
      Quote: Muxalet
      As a result, "Berkut" on November 30 very toughly cleans the square from the last couple of hundred students, chasing the fleeing citizens around the city.

      You must understand that this was a key moment!
      It is not clear - the Golden Eagle beat students or citizens?
      What do you mean by the phrase "toughly cleaned up"?
      Why did the Golden Eagle nil silo nip suddenly go crazy? Indeed, up to a certain point, he stood calmly. And if he wanted to toughly clean, he would immediately, as you know, appear in the square, hammering everything left and right.
  34. Muxalet
    Muxalet 13 December 2013 11: 58
    +3
    Sixth. "Maidan is a technology. The protesters are either deceived or paid for."
    It’s generally an infantile tradition to remain confident that beliefs can only be inherent to your like-minded people. If it was possible to arrange a month of protest for money, then we would have long seen a counter camp in support of Viktor Yanukovych. But he is not - and will not appear. Of course, Maidan is a resource that is used by various public and political figures. But any mood of citizens is always a resource. Thanks to this resource, deputies and presidents win elections in any country in the world, parliaments are formed and revolutions are taking place.

    Seventh. "Yanukovych's loss is harmful to Russia."
    Well, Yanukovych will win. Even stay for a second term. So what? Is he a creature of the Kremlin? Will he join the Customs Union? And why would he do this if his key motivation is to receive money and maintain full power? Or drift of Ukraine to the west violates the territorial integrity of Russia? So after all for a long time does not break, almost 22 years. The preservation of industrial cooperation with Ukraine depends on the decision of Moscow, not Kiev - if the Kremlin decides to break this cooperation in the event of Ukraine’s European integration, then the responsibility for this will certainly not be on the Ukrainian side.

    Eighth. "Maidan and European integration are hostile to the pro-Russian southeast of Ukraine."
    Here knowledge of materiel comes to the rescue. Yes, the supporters of the CU and the EU in Ukraine are approximately equal in number (there is still a certain proportion of those who hesitate). But Ukrainian supporters of the Customs Union are generally quite loyal to the idea of ​​integration with the EU (this is shown by both opinion polls and the fact that the course towards European integration has not generated a single "Eurasian Maidan"). Which, incidentally, distinguishes them from the Ukrainian sympathizers of the EU, who are categorically against the country's movement to the northeast. After all, today the southeast of Ukraine has its own opportunities to participate in the Ukrainian political process. And when Moscow talks about the need to protect a number of regions of Ukraine, it is thereby ghettoizing their residents in a fifth column format. Or the Sudeten Germans, if you like.

    Ninth. "Maidan is a revolution, and any revolution is worse than evolution."
    In fact, the revolution is Yanukovych. He became the first president to break the old paradigm of Ukrainian politics. It was not customary to plant "ex" and political opponents here. There has always been polyarchy here. Here, after all, it was not customary to beat the demonstrators. All these conditions, at the very least, ensured the turnover of top officials and political competition. During the three years of Yanukovych's rule, all these rules have been violated. Maidan is a demand for a return to evolution. To competition. Towards dialogue and agreements. Even if they are of a corporate nature, it is still better than the concrete wasteland of parliamentary consensus.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 13 December 2013 12: 52
      +4
      Michalet. what gave answers to almost all the questions, there remained one main question: will the forum hear, or will you remain the voice of one crying in the desert.
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  35. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 13 December 2013 12: 10
    +3
    Quote: EtickayaSila
    The people want a legal, democratic state. What is bad here.?
    Nothing ... But only if the people want democratic and legal, then where does the crowd of impudent juvenile freaks with chains? No guys, do you want a rule of law - act in the legal field, declare a referendum, impeach or wait for elections through the parliament, and the burnt gopot and three downs on the podium have nothing to do with democracy and the law.

    Why, in order to make a rule of law, Ukraine must hide under whose wing, but have not tried it on their own? It is necessary to fight for independence, to have an army, an independent economy (at least partially), and joining the Geyrosoyuz will deprive Ukraine of this completely.
    1. Victor-M
      Victor-M 13 December 2013 19: 54
      +2
      Quote: shtanko.49
      We must fight for independence, have an army, an independent economy

      This is yes. But independence would have more brains, gas and oil are cheap, and the desire to work, but where is all this applied? In the East and South of Ukraine, people understand this, and in the West, the pre-sherak is chewing European at this time, brains are not needed here, a purely animal reflex.
  36. the47th
    the47th 13 December 2013 12: 24
    -1
    Ukraine has always been divided into eastern and western. The eastern want to be friends with Russia, the western want to be friends with Europe (the Polish yoke was probably not enough for them). Nothing new is happening here.
  37. bomg.77
    bomg.77 13 December 2013 12: 27
    0
    Klitschko said that this was not vandalism, but the way out, so to speak, of revolutionary enthusiasm. He does not understand that “Lenin” will take revenge on them: revolutionaries should not defile other revolutionary symbols.
    "Installed in 1946; sculptor - S. D. Merkurov, architects - A. V. Vlasov and V. D. Elizarov. The monument is made of a rare material - Karelian quartzite, from which they built the Mausoleum in Moscow. In the center of the pedestal is the inscription" Lenin "Lenin's words are carved on the sides “With the single action of the proletarians of the Great Russian and Ukrainian, a free Ukraine is possible, without such unity there can be no talk of it”
    1. Mower
      Mower 13 December 2013 13: 26
      0
      The form was also that European integrator with Bronstein.
  38. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 December 2013 12: 29
    0
    in principle, there will be nothing good in the future. Therefore, I think the separation of zapadentsev will naturally be. east with the Crimea will join Russia and everything will fall into place. And so they will be tormented for many years to come. will end up splitting anyway since such things
  39. 128mgb
    128mgb 13 December 2013 13: 48
    +1
    Quote: Muxalet
    Here knowledge of the materiel comes to the rescue

    Tell me, would it be possible to say Euromaidan in June, during the harvest in Europe?
  40. individual
    individual 13 December 2013 14: 14
    +3
    I am reading "Arguments of the Week" No. 47:
    The collapse of Ukraine predict Italian analysts.
    "Ukraine is confidently heading towards collapse.
    And in three parts.
    The first is Eastern Ukraine. These are Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Kherson regions. Over time, they are easily integrated into the Russian Federation.
    The second is Central Ukraine. These are Chernihiv, Sumy, Zhytomyr, Vinnitsa, Cherkasy, Kirovograd, Nikolaev, Odessa, Khmelnitsky and Chernivtsi regions. Sooner or later, these territories will be integrated into an alliance with Russia, following the example of Belarus or Kazakhstan.
    The third is Western Ukraine. These are Rivne, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Volyn, Transcarpathian regions, where 17% of the country's population lives. "
    Whether these forecasts are destined to come true, time will tell. But the speed with which changes occur is amazing.
    Nobody knows how to stop the process and harness the western poor peasant and the eastern metallurgist and aircraft builder into one cart.
  41. Altona
    Altona 13 December 2013 14: 24
    +2
    I would like Ukrainian forum participants to describe the mood prevailing in them both in Kiev and in the regions ... On TV, I see only barricades from New Year's decorations, Independence Square with a live chain from Berkut, a bomber in the Kiev city hall, Tyagnibok and Klitschko with smirking persons ... In short, like this ... Today it was announced that Ukraine would negotiate with the EU without Russia's participation with the possible signing of the Ass-Association in March (ass translated from English.-ass) ... In general, Yanukovych pulls the laurels of the European integrator and wants to knock out the trump cards from the opposition ...
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 13 December 2013 20: 33
      +4
      I haven’t watched the telly for a long time, about Maidan talking in the style of regret over people is cold and they are standing. Each stand for his own, and dark and nasty personalities use their will. As I recall that these opposition leaders became famous and what they do and have done ... I want to feel sick. Yes, and dangerous ..
      you may not be aware of the comments of Western representatives in response to the banderlogs, they call us slaves ... and theirs probably .. the western farce pays for a working southeast that needs work and Kiev that was broken ...
      It’s bad that people can stand under a good slogan (stealing power), but if they are used for association and the three have ascended to the throne. Maybe General Frost will freeze them so that they understand that it is European and democratic to defend their choice in the elections, rather than enthroning those who use them and leave them (hello Yush)
      Threat TV is the worst adviser, like the Internet.
  42. Jarilo
    Jarilo 13 December 2013 14: 27
    +2
    Quote: Muxalet
    Because it’s not customary to beat citizens here, citizens are annoyed by this. And all the aggression against law enforcement officers happened after the Ministry of Internal Affairs was the first to use force. By the way, if it weren’t for the beating of peaceful protesters on November 30, it may well be that there would be no Maidan on the streets of Kiev today

    You do not look at analogies with events in Moscow when troops were brought into the city.
    In fact, I only care about one question: what happens faster - the rake will break, or the forehead will crack.
  43. Mower
    Mower 13 December 2013 14: 33
    +2
    But recently, several more interesting facts have become known. Firstly, an anonymous police officer claims that during a search in the office of the "Fatherland" a large amount of cash was found - 16.750.000 US dollars. The operatives believe that the money was transferred to the opposition by the Canadian diaspora. To take out this lot of money, I had to call a specially adapted car. Police officers have never seen such a huge amount of money.

    Secondly, several documents on cooperation of opposition parties were downloaded from the server. In particular, the agreement on strategic partnership between the opposition, the addition to which contains a list of the distribution of government posts in the event of removal from power of Viktor Yanukovych.

    http://alternatio.org/events/maintheme/item/11292-

    It’s interesting that the site after that laid down
  44. buga1979
    buga1979 13 December 2013 14: 49
    +2
    Quote: vladim.gorbunow
    And then, Ukraine is not Yugoslavia? Humanitarian bombing equalizes everyone.

    and tell me who we have such a brave pilot, I think maybe they can fly, but they’ll return vryatli
  45. Sax
    Sax 13 December 2013 14: 54
    -5
    QUOTE from stanko.49
    Why, in order to make a rule of law, Ukraine must hide under whose wing, but have not tried it on their own? It is necessary to fight for independence, to have an army, an independent economy (at least partially), and joining the Geyrosoyuz will deprive Ukraine of this completely.


    You know, by and large the biggest problem of Ukraine is that 2 people live here. One from the end: Poltava, Cossacks, Kherson, Sumy, Kiev, Rivne, Volyn, Lviv, Vinnitsa. And the other is a newcomer. It is clear that unwillingly. But ... Alas - the story. The Bolsheviks began when they formed the so-called working class of Donbass, driving lumpen from all over the Russian Empire, and driving mines under machine guns. And then there was a war ... And then Victory. But everything was restored in the main metallurgical region of the USSR. And since the Russian Federation was the largest republic, with the largest population, the Russians were the most in the east of the country. And no one canceled the genetic memory.
    But there's nothing to be done about it - they are not eternal.
    Quote: shtanko.49

    By the way, I want to remind everyone of Russia's position in 2009, when the question of Ukraine's accession to NATO was being decided: "We are categorically against Ukraine's accession to NATO. This undermines ... and so on. We are not against the European Union. The EU is an economic organization, join, please. But NATO - NO. "
    So what happened in 4 years? Did the weather vane work?
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 13 December 2013 16: 08
      +3
      Quote: Sax
      You know, by and large the biggest problem in Ukraine is that there are 2 people living here. One from the end: Poltava, Cossacks, Kherson, Sumy, Kiev, Rivne, Volyn, Lviv, Vinnitsa.,

      To begin with, learn to distinguish peoples from the inhabitants of the regions and then write such a beleberd "genius of history".
      Get Xnumx and Parents to School laughing
    2. not good
      not good 13 December 2013 16: 22
      +1
      The biggest problem in Ukraine is that political clowns in parliament put the country up for sale, but because of their greed and their stupidity, they can’t even sell their homeland, they probably don’t want to share wassat
      1. In the book
        In the book 13 December 2013 18: 40
        +2
        The biggest problem in Ukraine is that the peace-loving, hard-working, and patient people allowed the bandits to get the better of themselves.
    3. Liss.
      Liss. 13 December 2013 16: 25
      +4
      Quote: Sax
      The Bolsheviks began when they formed the so-called working class of Donbass, driving lumpen from all over the Russian Empire, and driving mines under machine guns


      Historian...
      Pesho ischo!
      To the rulers of the Russian Empire, the Bolsheviks with machine guns in their pockets, who were so harsh about the Lumpen Indians, tell the story of the proto-Kherson people, contemporaries of the dinosaurs and about dragon riders, the ancient Zaporozhian people.
      Places in "Svidomo history" are like mud on the market in the Cafe!
      Quote: Sax
      And then there was a war ... And then Victory.

      Yeah ... War- For the independence of the mine Orcs ...
      Well ... Victory, after they destroyed what was created by these Orc lumpen.
      The "genetic memory" of the direct descendants of the Trypillians helped.
      Yes, by the way, the topic for work on geography: "Whose original territory is the distribution area of ​​dill?"

      Farther...
      What about canoe?
      "Someone" from the outside forbids joining the EU?
      Enlighten, plz!
      "Someone" warned Ukraine that there was no need for "shuttle traders".
      Or do you buy Chanel from Odessa by yourself?
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    5. alex13-61
      alex13-61 13 December 2013 16: 26
      +1
      Quote: Sax
      You know, by and large the biggest problem of Ukraine is that 2 people live here. One from the end: Poltava, Cossacks, Kherson, Sumy, Kiev, Rivne, Volyn, Lviv, Vinnitsa. And the other is a newcomer

      Historian, words: Slobozhanschina, Wild field, Tavria ... do not talk about anything? Kherson, damn it ...
      And take an interest, please, about the number of migrants to the Crimea from the memory, who, by the way, now do not support the Galician’s policy (with rare exceptions).
      1. Liss.
        Liss. 13 December 2013 16: 34
        +2
        I would say "correctly nationalistic historian"
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    6. zardoz
      zardoz 13 December 2013 18: 04
      +1
      In the Donbass, mines appeared long before the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia - this time. Two - the Bolsheviks did not drive to mines to work. People already worked there. We went to work in the mines from all over the country as now everyone goes north to earn money. There were bonded - these are convicts. Worked on the construction of mines. Regarding, as you say, newcomers: The Russians who went to explore the east came back :) And yet such a moment until the 20th year, Donbass was Russian territory. Stalin annexed it to Ukraine.

      And as for the weather vane, Russia, as it were, did not say that it was against the association of Ukraine with the EU :) It protects its markets :) As a gritsa, you want to live in Europe and live with their prices and orders, and deliver products to the EU.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 13 December 2013 21: 46
        +2
        The history of the development of the Donetsk coal basin began in 1700 with the issuance of the decree of Peter I on the search for ore deposits and is inextricably linked with the development of Lisichansk - the "cradle of Donbass". The coal deposits in the Seversky Donets river basin were discovered by Grigory Kapustin, whose expedition was sent in 1721 to the Don area by Vasily Lodygin, the "ore informer" of the Berg Collegium. [3]
        The name of Grigory Kapustin will say little to the average resident of Donbass. Although it is to him that the Donbass owes its existence as an industrial region.
        In conditions of mass falsification and suppression of historical facts, Kapustin became an extra character in the mythology of the historical linking of Donbass to Ukraine. Not a Zaporizhzhya Cossack, not a gentry, or even a Little Russian, the man who discovered the coal deposits in the Donetsk basin is now actively extorted from history and local history textbooks. Therefore, it is worth telling about who Donbass owes its existence to.
        Grigory Grigorievich Kapustin was born in the village of Danilovsky, near Kineshma (modern Ivanovo region of Russia). It was the village where state peasants lived. Fellow villagers chose Grigory Grigorievich as their clerk. For 17 years, he carried the duties of an elected clerk, but at the same time he was engaged in the search for ores and minerals near his native village
        With his work, perseverance and knowledge, the Russian self-taught geologist has achieved that on all geological maps of Russia, land in the area of ​​the Seversky Donets Basin will be designated as an area rich in coal deposits. And in the future precisely, metallurgical giants will be founded here and the industrial development of the region, bearing the proud name of Donbass, will begin.
  46. Sax
    Sax 13 December 2013 15: 00
    0
    Sorry, the last paragraph is not a quote. fellow
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 13 December 2013 16: 30
      +1
      Quote: Sax
      Sorry, the last paragraph is not a quote.

      THIS IS A DIAGNOSIS!
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  47. Sax
    Sax 13 December 2013 15: 11
    -5
    Quote: SHEKSPIR
    I offer warriors to the Aghans those who are on the Euromaidan, that is, mainly officers, to hand over all their orders and medals. The military ranks they received under the USSR, where Lenin is depicted, is a red star, and ask who they fought for. After all, they now stand under the same banner, together with Tyagnibok, Europe, which is part of NATO and where, together with America, Afghanistan killed your friends, comrades. So you are at least determined by the Aghans, of course, real Afghans do not understand the essence of the matter and do not buy the opposition who foment a democratic war in the world. And the officers are there, you got your rank under the USSR, YOU HAVE ALL MEASURES AND PRIVILEGES from there, and now, as you understand, then take off all the merits and ranks. medals. The benefits that you get, and dress in the form of NATO and stand there selling your homeland and your honor, although you no longer have it. God be your judge and prosecutor.


    At first I wanted to answer, calling you what you really are ...
    Then I read it ... I see. IQ, judging by the text, is below 100. This is a diagnosis. What is there to answer crying
  48. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 13 December 2013 15: 28
    +2
    Quote: sergey32
    Guys, let’s give Ukraine peacefully.


    We cannot afford to do that.
    For they do not know what they are doing.
    Because as a people who are deceived, who are driven to extremes by want and injustice.
    If we from the outside see what awaits them, and turn our backs, then there will be a sin on us for leaving us in danger.
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  50. Net
    Net 13 December 2013 16: 03
    +3
    Good Yanukovych or not, but to maintain maydaun, along with svidomyty-puppy-wrecks, Russian people are not to face. And there is a direct road for the opportunists.