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Caucasian rally in Moscow against “rampant Russian fascism”, a riot in Arzamas and the approach of a civilizational catastrophe

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Caucasian rally in Moscow against “rampant Russian fascism”, a riot in Arzamas and the approach of a civilizational catastrophe

In the capital of Russia they plan to repeat the Makhachkala rally on a large scale. Representatives of certain Caucasian social movements are going to bring masses of people to the streets of Moscow. We are on the verge of a large-scale action against “Islamophobia”, “Caucasophobia” and “Xenophobia” in Russia. In fact, Islamic movements in the future can come to the forefront of the struggle, pushing aside the "bogs" of the Liberal Democrats. Their significance will grow even more if they are supported by representatives of the Central Asian diasporas. They have already expressed readiness for political actions in Russia. Obviously, with the development of such processes, analysts' concerns about the “Syrian scenario” in Russia will become an extremely dangerous reality. Strengthening the position of the "Islamic project" in Russia begins to affect the political field of the country.


Representatives of the Caucasian movements found many reasons to speak. They are dissatisfied with obstacles in the construction of mosques, arrests of Muslim leaders, bans on wearing hijabs in schools, toughening of migration policy and the mythical rampant "Russian fascism." They also propose to attract a number of central TV channels to criminal liability for inciting ethnic hatred. This was reported "Independent newspaper". The journalist of the publication spoke with representatives of public organizations of Dagestan, who had previously organized a rally in All-Caucasus in Makhachkala on November 29. The organizers believe that the best place for the rally will be Manezhnaya Square. They are planning to hold a protest between 20 and 25 in December or after the New Year holidays.

In addition to the residents of Dagestan, representatives of Chechnya, Ingushetia, North Ossetia and the Stavropol Territory, where a significant Muslim community lives, took part in the Makhachkala rally. Summing it up, one of its organizers, Abakar Abakarov, promised to hold in Moscow an "unprecedented" in scale all-Russian rally against "Islamophobia, Caucasophobia and Xenophobia." Another organizer of the rally in Dagestan, Muhammad Magomedov, representing the Dagestan regional public organization Union of the Just, reported that a Muslim Caucasians ’call for consolidation and“ more serious political activity ”was voiced in Makhachkala. They must force the authorities to reckon with themselves. This task, according to Magomedov, explains the choice of a place for the next protest. The policy of the Russian state is determined in Moscow, the majority of the “Caucasian and Islamic problems originate in Moscow,” therefore the “political will, which must be pressed, is in Moscow.”

Representatives of the Central Asian communities also spoke about possible street actions. On December 3, the chairman of the Union of Tajik Youth in Russia, Izzat Aman, in an interview with one of the Muslim sites, said that “rampant fascism in Russia” could bring migrants to the blast. The reason for the protests may be problems with wages. Only in the Russian capital 500 thousand Tajiks, and in Russia their 2 million people "will not find it enough". A resident of the former fraternal republic is virtually threatened. I remember a few years ago we were told that they come to Russia only to work. Earlier, Aman told the press that his organization with its headquarters in Moscow numbers 6 thousands in its ranks.

In turn, the head of the "fair" Magomedov said that the upcoming action is not planned as a "purely Caucasian." In Russia, there are problems along the national and religious lines, and there are people, not only Caucasian residents and Muslims, who share their views. They can be supported by representatives of other nationalities.

On the need for labor migrants in Russia

Thus, the Russian authorities, flooding Russia with millions of migrants and allowing the degradation of culture, education, social and industrial infrastructure of the North Caucasus, giving the opportunity to strengthen ethnocracy and ethnic crime, themselves laid a powerful bomb under the country, which could soon explode.

The authorities have repeatedly talked about the need to create new jobs, reduce the number of labor hands of the indigenous population, the economic need to attract migrant workers. The other day, Mr. Dmitry Medvedev, talking about the results of the government’s work in the outgoing year, once again lied about the need for migrants in the Russian economy: “Only a dishonest person says that we can do without an additional influx of labor resources now. Russia is too big, and we need additional labor resources. ” Earlier, Medvedev also offered a recipe for independent solution of the problem of unemployment by Russians - “increase mobility,” that is, turn into internal migrants. The concept of "home", "small homeland", "graves of ancestors" in the conditions of building "Russian capitalism" has been declared an anachronism.

However, this is either an obvious deception, or ignorance of the situation in this area (remember Stalin's “are you a fool or an enemy”?). The Federal Service for Labor and Employment, which provides unemployment statistics based on the number of applications that come from the unemployed to the territorial offices of the Federal Service, in recent years reported 1-2 million people. However, experts say a strong underreporting of the data, since applications for unemployment benefits and job searches are submitted by a minority of officially unemployed people. Most of them have permanent or temporary work and unofficial earnings.

Rosstat, which compiles its statistics based on periodic surveys, calls a more serious figure - 5-6 million people. Moreover, the number of employees is approximately 75 million. The unemployment rate in Russia varies greatly by region: if the national average is 5,5-7%, then in Moscow and Leningrad Oblast (the main centers of attraction for internal and external migrants) is about 3%, the extremely high unemployment rate in Ingushetia is about 45%, Chechnya - about 30%, Dagestan and Kabardino-Balkaria give about 12%, Tyva gives more than 23%, Kalmykia - 12%, Altai, Trans-Baikal Territory, Tomsk region - more than 10%.

A feature of unemployment in Russia is its high level in the national republics. Characteristic and unemployment among young people. In May 2013, the average unemployment rate among youth at age 15-24 was 12,4% (last year was even higher). It should also be noted the high level of unemployment in the so-called. "Single-industry towns" (and this is every third Russian city, in total more than 300 cities). This is a social and political problem. In the event of the loss of the current relative economic stability (and there are predictions on this subject, the members of the government are talking about this: the second wave of the global crisis and worsening of the world situation), this problem will become a prerequisite for creating a revolutionary situation in Russia.

It should also be noted that the data of Rosstat do not reflect the real picture of unemployment and the availability of labor reserves. First, there is the so-called hidden unemployment. Part-time people are not considered unemployed. Secondly, in Russia the level of young people is very high, which goes from schools to universities. In particular, in 2010 on 1000 the number of students in the Russian state was 61. For comparison, in Switzerland and Japan - 31. A significant part of them idle, spends time in vain (the general degradation of education, its commercialization and the sharp drop in the status of many professions). It also helps brighten the unemployment rate. Thirdly, the bureaucratic apparatus of Russia is constantly growing and has about 2,5 million officials at all levels of government. They absorb huge resources - legally and illegally, and about half of them pretend to work, successfully imitating their work activity. If you wish (political will), this whole army of idlers can be sent to the "construction of capitalism." In general, the number of officials in the Russian Federation in 2,5 is more than times in the USSR - and this is with significant losses in the territory and population.

In 2011, in the Russian Federation, the unemployment rate was measured by the method of the well-known sociological company Gallup. This method takes into account both the unemployed and those who work, but have only part-time employment and would like to have a more full load. As a result, the real number of unemployed in Russia was higher than Rosstat's 3-4 times and amounted to more than 20% (among men, 19%, women - 22%).

Thus, the words about the need to attract millions of labor migrants and their work in housing and communal services, on construction sites, etc., are either deception or unprofessionalism. Russia has a huge labor reserve, which can more than cover all the needs of the market. It is not a secret for anyone that the Russians are ready to work even for very low wages and in “dirty production”. In most regions, teachers, medical personnel, kindergarten workers, and many workers receive minimum wages. The average salary level in the country is high for them, since it is calculated taking into account the transcendental salaries of a very swollen bureaucratic and administrative corps. Everything comes out as in the proverb: one with a bipod and seven with a spoon.

Under the capitalist (non-slave) system, labor migrants are more profitable for Russian citizens than for bureaucracy and employers. It is easier not to pay or underpay migrants, especially illegal ones, who are deprived of all rights. In addition, you can save on the social package. It has already become a textbook example of janitors in Moscow: it’s impossible for a Russian to get a job as a janitor, since he will have to pay the entire salary, he will need to be provided with social benefits, and you can give part to the migrant, he will be pleased with this. The capitalist, essentially non-slave-owning, system needs as cheap as possible and even slave labor. Naturally, all the beautiful words about innovation, new industrialization, the creation of 25 millions of jobs, the growth of labor productivity in industrial enterprises by 50%, as Russian officials like to say, in such conditions is simply hypocrisy.

Continuing to attract millions of labor migrants, replacing them with the indigenous population leads to the catastrophe of Russian civilization. And the growing political activity of representatives of the “Islamic project” and the Central Asian communities is one of the signs of this catastrophe.

Riot in Arzamas

Another sign of the approach of a catastrophe is the expansion of the geography of the “Russian rebellion”. The events took place according to the standard scenario. On the night of December 7 in the cafe there was a conflict, which ended with a stabbing. 26-year-old Alexander Slakaev and a friend were beaten. Alexander received a deadly stab wound. Perhaps that would be the end of it. Such tragedies, unfortunately, after the criminal revolution of 1990, we now have a common occurrence. But the workers of the establishment, with whom the comrades came into conflict, turned out to be Caucasians, Armenians. The population, which, according to the latest polls, was severely hardened (about 40% of Russians surveyed believe that in recent years, bitterness, fear and despair have intensified among others) responded to what came to the “popular gathering” already familiar to our ears.

The gathering demanded the eviction of all visitors and the closure of all establishments belonging to them. The authorities and law enforcement agencies surprisingly worked well, did not sit in the offices and went out to the people. Three participants of the fight were detained almost immediately. However, this did not stop people; distrust of the government outweighed reasonable arguments. The rally turned into mayhem. Several people were arrested.

Events developed in Biryulyovo and Pugachev. Obviously, with the further liberal policy of the authorities in relation to external and internal migration, the Arzamas "revolt" will not be the last. Medvedev and his ilk quite clearly say that there is no point in expecting fundamental changes in domestic politics, everything is going according to the old model: free access to Russia for millions of labor migrants, many of whom will easily get citizenship or will live in the country illegally, but without any problems and privatization and “optimization” (liquidation) of “inefficient production”. Industry degradation continues in the period 2005-2012. its share in GDP decreased from 37,3 to 34,1% (in 1990, it was 58,2%). In particular, the share of the manufacturing industry fell from 28,6% to 25,9%, and the share of industry in employment fell from 20,0% to 17,0%. At the same time, the share of the presence of foreign investors in the share capital of many industrial enterprises in Russia increased. Thus, not only the degradation of the industrial potential of the Russian Federation continues, but also its enslavement by foreign capital.

Therefore, new popular performances on anti-migrant soil (including internal migration) will occur more and more often. Arzamas will soon be just one of the names of dozens of pain points. It is obvious that people are not worried about the crimes themselves (not primarily), because the crimes of immigrants from abroad make up a very small percentage of the country. They are visible only in the capitals, where most migrants are concentrated. The problem is different. All residents are talking about the "arrogance" of visitors, and the absence of fear in front of government officials and law enforcement agencies. In this way, they are very different from the majority of Russian and Russian-speaking (small ethnic groups of Russia, who have adopted the Russian language and culture as their own), who in the majority are very law-abiding. The Russians are the “imperial people” who have long since given the prerogative of their protection to the authorities. And God forbid, if the authorities and the "new barbarians" from the Caucasus and Central Asia will cross a certain line. Russian, I repeat, the imperial people, which, if necessary, solves problems with imperial scale. That is, to punish an entire nation or region is a common thing for him. The problem of the “elite” will be solved in the same way. The Russian turmoil, with the elimination of the former degenerated "elite", with the advancement of new leaders and the construction of a new empire, is the answer of the Russian civilization to systematic injustice.

“Defiant and arrogant behavior” of visitors is their cultural, civilizational and social level. Central Asia and the Caucasus were annexed to the Russian Empire, and the Russian people, the imperial authorities took responsibility for the civilizational growth of these regions. However, the destruction of the USSR interrupted this process. The Russian authorities have thrown off this responsibility, as they are trying to get rid of responsibility for the citizens of Russia. These regions began to quickly return to the usual being - the primitive communal system with elements of feudalism. Russian cities have already appreciated the whole “charm” of the archaization of entire regions when they were covered by a wave of “new barbarians”. In addition, visitors feel the protection of families, clans, communities that have tools to influence the bureaucracy and law enforcement agencies. As a result, they are not afraid of the police, violate the laws, de facto this is a legal privilege in relation to the majority of Russians, who are “atomized”, do not have such strong family, tribal and regional ties.

Threat of civilization

Russian society feels that the situation is dangerous and reacts with spontaneous protest actions. The people send signals to the authorities that they need to solve the problem. The authorities either react incorrectly, speaking of the lack of alternatives of labor migration, or they are committing too indicative, demonstrative actions. The arrest of Orhan Zeynalov (a murder in the metropolitan area of ​​Biryulyovo West Yegor Shcherbakov) was just a hit. Helicopter, machine gunners, delivery under the threatening eyes of Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev. This fighter. Instead of the usual preventive work, which should prevent similar incidents, we are shown “cinema”.

Obviously, measures in the “separate and evict” style, such as Zhirinovsky’s proposal, will not solve the problem. This problem has matured for decades. It is too tempting for Russia’s internal and external enemies to arrange a “Syrian (Yugoslav) scenario” in our country. The Islamic rally in Moscow is in line with the divide-and-rule strategy. This provocation. If the authorities or Russian nationalists react harshly, the enemies of Russia will receive an excellent informational reason for the development of a split of Russian society along religious and ethnic lines. Calling for a march against “Russian fascism” and “for hijabs” either deliberately achieve this result, or they are simply used in the dark.

This is the threat of a split of Russia through the Caucasus and the Volga region. The latest activation of the Islamist underground in Tatarstan is another “bell” from this series. Such a split can cause the death of the Russian Federation and lead to a sea of ​​blood. Tendencies to increase the political activity of the carriers of the “Islamic project”, defenders of migrants and the defensive reaction of the Russian people will sooner or later intersect. Such a conflict could potentially bury the entire Russian Federation - and the current "elite", and ordinary people, and all the diaspora.

Only decisive actions by the authorities to restore elementary order in the country and then to restore a long-term strategy for the civilizational growth of the Caucasus, Central Asia and other problem regions can prevent this collision. In the framework of the current liberal model, this problem cannot be solved. Actions of another level will not help. And it is no longer possible to delay here, the question is in the survival of a whole civilization.

Any other way leads to death. Preserving the current liberal strategy using the European experience brings the death of our civilization, and indeed the whole white race as a whole. Attempts to “separate and evict”, the construction of walls, fortified lines will ultimately lead to a similar result. Restrictive measures will only slow down the process. Sooner or later, the wreckage of civilization will sink under the masses of "new barbarians". You can recall the sad experience of the Roman Empire, no fortified lines with simultaneous moral and moral degradation of the imperial population will not save from the "great migration of peoples."

The radical version of this scenario (it is sometimes voiced by marginalized actors) is genocide. Probably, not once heard the sentence "to burn all with napalm", up to the use of atomic weapons. However, this is the way to inferno. The experience of the Third Reich, which freed the living space from the "inferior peoples". The result will also be sad - the moral and moral degradation, rollback to the principle of "the strongest survives," the hatred of the whole world.

The only true way is a qualitative leap of Russia itself into the future. It should become an example for the whole world, like Stalin’s Soviet Union. And continue your civilizing mission.
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  1. builder
    builder 12 December 2013 08: 01
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    Luggage sellers in Russia will soon become rich.
    1. rus9875
      rus9875 12 December 2013 08: 13
      70
      Well, if so, it will be worse if sellers of coffins get rich
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 12 December 2013 08: 27
        10
        Quote: rus9875
        ... Well, if so, it will be worse if sellers of coffins get rich ...

        Well, what about the coffins they will also need if they have no mind.
        1. tomas.09
          tomas.09 12 December 2013 08: 51
          13
          Muslims do not bury in coffins. White fabric is not enough for everyone !!!
          1. A.YARY
            A.YARY 12 December 2013 09: 16
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            they will be supported by representatives of the Central Asian diasporas. They have already expressed readiness for political action in Russia

            This phrase at the beginning of the article characterizes
            a) the weakness of government agencies
            b) reluctance of government agencies
            c) satisfaction with these state bodies
            EMIGRANTS DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO POLITICAL ACTION AGAINST THE COUNTRY OF RESIDENCE !!!!!!

            Please do not confuse the concept "migrant" is a citizen in his country who moves around it according to his needs!
            AND-EMIGRANT, this is not a citizen of my country, who, out of mercy, was allowed to stay in it !!!

            I think it is necessary to introduce an article on which an emigrant who has come to a rally or even simply expresses a political opinion, goes to his homeland, and an illegal emigrant in the Polar Region for 10 years
            1. just exp
              just exp 12 December 2013 09: 31
              26
              that’s the problem, that some Tajiks and others, are already citizens, and have the same rights, but to do so who received citizenship but was born in another republic, does not have the right to political actions, let them go to their place they demand and achieve.
              1. bilgesez
                bilgesez 12 December 2013 16: 51
                32
                Put about 5 heads of passport offices for corruption, and all these new citizens as bribe givers. They themselves will all escape to their historical homeland.
                1. alone
                  alone 12 December 2013 19: 31
                  +8
                  Quote: bilgesez
                  Put about 5 heads of passport offices for corruption, and all these new citizens as bribe givers. They themselves will all escape to their historical homeland.


                  To do this, you must first take them during the crime. Do you think it took money so easily and gave the passport? Do you know what kind of money is spinning there? Do you think the heads of the passport offices eat it all yourself? If someone decides to appropriate something, he won’t wake up in the morning. System such. From top to bottom, everyone is equally anointed. Everything is interconnected. Everyone has a share.
              2. anip
                anip 12 December 2013 17: 07
                +9
                Quote: just explo
                here to do so who received citizenship, but was born in another republic, does not have the right to political actions, let them go to their houses and there they demand and achieve something.

                Deprivation of citizenship -> expulsion from the country without the right to re-enter, even as a tourist. In case of repeated illegal entry - sending to places with a harsh climate to saw wood, to extract uranium, etc.
              3. vasiliysxx
                vasiliysxx 12 December 2013 20: 00
                +7
                In Switzerland, they deport their new citizens-criminals, again sheep to graze, now the law is adopted for 20 years.
              4. Siberian German
                Siberian German 13 December 2013 03: 33
                +7
                I agree - as it was in antiquity - recognized the barbarian as a citizen after 3 generations
              5. shpuntik
                shpuntik 13 December 2013 03: 57
                +7
                just explo RU Yesterday, 09:31 ↑
                ... that’s to be done if one received citizenship, but was born in another republic, does not have the right to political actions, let them go to their houses and there they demand and achieve something.

                Censorship is needed, 15-20 years. So same for all sorts of benefits, 430 thousand rubles. on the second child. This is the policy of the authorities: to dilute the Russian people so that it would be easier to manage, in chaos.
                Here is today's news, not even half a year has passed:
                www.firstnews.ru/news/id607207-v-peterburge-politsiya-zaderzhala-dvukh-migrantov
                -kotorye-ograbili-i-iznasilovali-pensionerku /

                The police had to break down the door of the apartment where the attackers were hiding. A pensioner’s mobile phone and her silver rings were seized from them. The detainees were two citizens of Uzbekistan.

                A criminal case of rape and robbery.

                The woman is now in a hospital in critical condition.
              6. vedmeddd
                vedmeddd 13 December 2013 12: 49
                +4
                For all those who have received our citizenship - we must take it, this citizenship! And in the Arctic for 10 years!
                1. Kinza
                  Kinza 17 December 2013 16: 41
                  0
                  Citizenship obtained illegally should be recognized as invalid, and those who received it should be deprived of it and expelled from the country.
              7. aksakal
                aksakal 13 December 2013 19: 39
                -21 qualifying.
                Quote: just EXPL
                that’s the problem, that some Tajiks and others, are already citizens, and have the same rights, but to do so who received citizenship but was born in another republic, does not have the right to political actions, let them go to their place they demand and achieve.

                - And if only we could do so, well, with the help of surgeons, so that they, these newly-minted citizens, could not spoil, but carry everything inside themselves, Russia's sewers - only for Russians, also carry out forced sterilization - you can draw from the Israelis useful experience, they quickly sorted out with the new Israeli citizens from Ethiopia, to introduce an air tax for these gentlemen - not wanting to breathe Russian air for free! And for the greatest benefit, take the advice of Khoja Nasreddin - to introduce a tax on tears for these new citizens. Cool tax! This new citizen paid the tax to the treasury this tax, could not resist, burst into tears - and be so kind as to stand in line again at the treasury cash desk! laughing
                By the way, to the chauvinist Samsonov’s rebellion - so, for his erudition, the famous Omar Khayyam did already when the primitive communal system was rampant among the northern neighbors, the Pushkins didn’t even smell there laughing
                This is not an insult at all, but that they wouldn’t think much of themselves, but recently the little girls began to appear, with such pearls, literally with a direct insult to me as a representative of the Central Asian people. Educators, Mlyn. And now S-Mirnov, put your minuses, then we'll see how it turns out! am
                1. 4952915
                  4952915 14 December 2013 09: 06
                  21
                  To the peak of an illiterate elder.
                  Omar Khayyam is the 11-12th century, in Russia - the time of Yaroslav the Wise and Vladimir Monomakh, when Western ambassadors called Kiev the largest and most beautiful city in Europe and compared it with Constantinople. What other primitive communal system? Kievan and Zalesskaya Rus are one of the strongest states in the world. So Persia of that time is very far from Russia, the usual eastern despotism, far from the largest. No technology, no science, no culture, only harems, zindans, donkeys, eunuchs, pederasty, slavery ... A couple of poets, a couple of astronomers, a couple of doctors, perhaps, so any civilization can boast of them, even if the Australian aborigines, even the Andaman, even The Hottentots, even though the Bushmen - they will always get a couple of lyricists, astrologers, healers - is not a great rarity. And with what fright does the "Central Asian" attribute themselves to Iran ?! That is why the Iranians would be surprised to learn that they are one people and one civilization with Tajiks, Turkmen and other Uzbeks)))
                  Or is Iran’s northern primeval neighbors Central Asia? Then it is clear.
                  This is so for erudition aksakalu. The country of Zindans and harems can pretend to be cultural and civilized under strict external control, for example, of the Russian Empire or the USSR, but independently - it immediately slides back into the Middle Ages - to harems and Zindans, to mud and torture.
                2. c3r
                  c3r 14 December 2013 23: 41
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                  Dear after yours, I’m afraid to ask why all the cultural compatriots of Omar Khayyam are moving to work for backward northerners with a dense mass. It is necessary to bring the house into order. The budgets of the Central Asian republics are significantly dependent on those working in Russia. You can’t separate people by their skin color, but to hell with the guys you got sovereignty overtook all Russians, and now, by feeding, you have claims to it in Russia. Do not spit in the well from which you drink.
                3. Flooding
                  Flooding 15 December 2013 20: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: aksakal
                  when the primitive communal system was raging with might and main among the northern neighbors

                  Hmm, 11th century ... Did you mean the nomads from the camps of South-Western Siberia? So they do not seem to think of taperich about themselves. Unless the pan-Turkism virus hovers, an infection.
              8. ekzorsist
                ekzorsist 14 December 2013 20: 27
                +1
                And if you are a citizen, then you shouldn’t make a fuss - there are excellent examples of the development of Siberian open spaces ... and by more heat-loving nations ... and quite successfully.
            2. kaktus
              kaktus 12 December 2013 09: 50
              17
              émigré - one who has left (export)
              immigrant - the one who arrived (import)
            3. Ascetic
              Ascetic 12 December 2013 12: 20
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              Quote: A.YARY
              EMIGRANTS DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO POLITICAL ACTION AGAINST THE COUNTRY OF RESIDENCE !!!!!!

              Andrew! Greetings! For Russia, it is correct to call citizens of other states immigrants. But this does not change the essence, for labor migrants are essentially the same immigrants only on a temporary basis. According to the law, they have no political rights, including in terms of various rallies and marches, all the more so representatives of foreign diasporas do not have the right to discuss the policies of the state that has adopted them and the actions of Russian citizens in relation to them, if these actions do not go beyond the criminal Code.
              Quote: A.YARY
              a) the weakness of government agencies
              b) reluctance of government agencies
              c) satisfaction with these state bodies

              Under paragraph a), the forces of state bodies and law enforcement agencies are quite sufficient; at the middle and lower levels in Moscow, employees directly say that if there is a corresponding order, it will not be difficult to clean up Moscow. This is for now, it will be worse. Why there is no such order follows from point b) where does this reluctance be fueled by corruption schemes with very big money and connections and the absence of real punishment for this reluctance, well, in the extreme case, the chief of police or the Department of Internal Affairs will be removed as in Biryulyovo and what? He will go poor on the porch? As they say in Odessa -don't tell my slippers this is precisely the reason for point c) to which I would add the business legal, semi-legal and criminal. Moreover, as soon as the authorities begin to tighten the screws immediately, the pressure of this business on painful inter-ethnic inter-religious points begins. All these provocative statements and protest technologies .
              While power for the sake of business will look blindly at ILLEGALS, the problem will deepen and grow from popular gatherings to riots and pogroms.
              It is the matter of time. It’s enough to look at Yugoslavia as it happened in Kosovo, where Albanian immigrants gradually ousted the indigenous population or in Bosnia when the same Muslim Serbs ousted Orthodox Serbs. In essence, we are trying to implement the same scenario with both external and internal forces.
              Recently, they cleaned them at a vegetable warehouse in the north of Moscow, drove seven accordion buses, so those who have permissions and documents were placed in ONE bus, the remaining SIX were completely illegal from Central Asia. And for this reason, measures or a visa regime are needed, or if geopolitics impedes the border and control, if not visas, then according to other special documents or passports. In general, accounting and control, which is again like a knife to the heart of liberal business and freedom of enterprise. It's time for the authorities to tighten the screws, otherwise they will begin to tighten from the bottom, because the Russians harness themselves for a long time but go fast. One is not happy that there is a fraudster Chichikov in the Russian troika who will again take advantage of the fruits riots and revolutions.

              1. Alekseev
                Alekseev 12 December 2013 13: 20
                11
                "Some civilians" often do not understand what a draft is needed for and, in general, there is a lot of infantry at the present time.
                They think that, they say, these external enemies with a huge army have a desire to "cross the border by the river", but they will not do this, fearing our nuclear deterrent.
                But the question is: can riot police reassure millions of migrant workers beginning to impudent, etc. Islamic extremists do not come to their head.
                1. Rattenfanger
                  Rattenfanger 12 December 2013 13: 36
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                  Quote: Alekseev
                  But the question is: can riot police reassure millions of migrant workers beginning to impudent, etc. Islamic extremists

                  This is not even a vlpros-let them just not interfere. The people are embittered, and as soon as they understand, that's it, you can! -All blacks will be multiplied by zero. Indiscriminately, good or bad.
                  Fyodor Mikhailovich correctly noted that the Russian man is wide. For example, we can recall what the Russians are capable of without brakes, looking at the civil war of 17-22.
                  1. O_RUS
                    O_RUS 12 December 2013 20: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: Rattenfanger
                    For example, we can recall what the Russians are capable of without brakes, looking at the civil war of 17-22.


                    for whom is the Kadyrov preparing his guard?
                    1. obrjak
                      obrjak 12 December 2013 22: 08
                      14
                      Enough to scare the Kadyrov already, If the massacre begins in Russia, Chechnya will be cleaned up by other means. And he needs a guard so that his people don’t bang.
            4. Tambov we ...
              Tambov we ... 12 December 2013 16: 27
              +7
              I agree with you very much. There is nowhere to delay!
            5. Vasek
              Vasek 12 December 2013 20: 33
              +3
              Quote: A.YARY
              Please do not confuse the concept

              Please do not confuse the concepts of "EMIGRANT" and "IMMIGRANT" laughing
            6. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 12 December 2013 20: 49
              +5
              Quote: A.YARY
              and illegal immigrant-in the Arctic-for 10 years


              10 years, and then to his country and prohibiting him and his family from entering Russia (and if the childbirth is already on the territory of the Russian Federation, then for their cordon). In addition, it is necessary to tighten the penalties for non-citizens for purely criminal convictions - possession of weapons, storage and trade in foolishness, etc. In general, this is already too much when non-citizens are trying to impose their will on the host country. And this is one of the indicators of work (or rather, criminal inaction) of our law enforcement agencies.
            7. Su24
              Su24 13 December 2013 20: 08
              -4
              Quote: A.YARY
              they will be supported by representatives of the Central Asian diasporas. They have already expressed readiness for political action in Russia

              This phrase at the beginning of the article characterizes
              a) the weakness of government agencies
              b) reluctance of government agencies
              c) satisfaction with these state bodies
              EMIGRANTS DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO POLITICAL ACTION AGAINST THE COUNTRY OF RESIDENCE !!!!!!

              Please do not confuse the concept "migrant" is a citizen in his country who moves around it according to his needs!
              AND-EMIGRANT, this is not a citizen of my country, who, out of mercy, was allowed to stay in it !!!

              I think it is necessary to introduce an article on which an emigrant who has come to a rally or even simply expresses a political opinion, goes to his homeland, and an illegal emigrant in the Polar Region for 10 years


              Yes, and then it is already possible to openly introduce slave markets, where Uzbeks and Tajiks will be branded and forced to auction. "Boss, please don't take all your salary!" Your time! "Look, you are also talking here."
            8. ekzorsist
              ekzorsist 14 December 2013 20: 25
              +1
              Absolutely agree !!!
              But let me add a little addition - life imprisonment or the death penalty, if his actions or omissions caused great material and moral harm to the state of residence, as well as harm to health or life threatening to citizens of the country of temporary residence.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 16
            +7
            Quote: tomas.09
            White fabric is not enough for everyone !!!

            If the fabric at the expense of the budget, I am against.
            1. Mairos
              Mairos 12 December 2013 10: 36
              +8
              As a true liberal, are you ready to reduce everything to a dough here? )))
            2. little man
              little man 12 December 2013 10: 46
              +8
              And deportation at their expense. More than once, it was already proposed to charge money upon entering Russia.
              1. kori
                kori 12 December 2013 14: 46
                +4
                Something is doubtful to me that they are not being charged now.
              2. alone
                alone 12 December 2013 19: 51
                +2
                Quote: man
                More than once, it was already proposed to charge money upon entering Russia.


                You are naive! They take money from them upon entering Russia. Only all this money goes into the pockets of officials, and not into the budget))))
            3. AVV
              AVV 12 December 2013 12: 52
              +2
              With I think that there is a lot of tailor material, and it will fit !!!
            4. Tambov we ...
              Tambov we ... 12 December 2013 16: 28
              0
              Bring in your denyushki.
          3. kenig1
            kenig1 12 December 2013 09: 19
            0
            China will customize fabrics of any color for free.
          4. seller trucks
            seller trucks 12 December 2013 09: 33
            10
            I have an old white tulle, will it? than i can
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 12 December 2013 10: 40
              +2
              Quote: seller trucks
              I have an old white tulle

              And I know where you got so much tulle from. From the windows of the "Kremlin Palace of Congresses". I saw it on TV for a long time. She later disappeared entirely.
              As far as I know, a Muslim funeral requires 20 meters of white cotton fabric 1.5 m wide.
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 12 December 2013 14: 39
                0
                Quote: Ptah
                ... From the windows of the "Kremlin Palace of Congresses".


                Nope, I didn’t take the tulle belay
          5. Sargord A.
            Sargord A. 12 December 2013 09: 35
            +1
            Why do I need a white cloth when there is Box-2?
          6. faraon
            faraon 12 December 2013 10: 19
            -2
            Muslims do not bury in coffins. White fabric is not enough for everyone !!!
            Well, if so, it will be worse if sellers of coffins get rich
            Luggage sellers in Russia will soon become rich
            Well, this is also a good idea to support the Russian manufacturer
          7. Serg 122
            Serg 122 12 December 2013 11: 46
            29
            Muslims do not bury in coffins. White fabric is not enough for everyone !!!

            Pork skins replace ... angry
            1. ekzorsist
              ekzorsist 14 December 2013 20: 49
              0
              Piglets are sorry, are they guilty of something?
              And why translate these Muslim-Asians? Into the oven ... and what an excellent fertilizer for the fields, by the way, this is an example from "civilized" Europe, to which they love to nod so much now. During the Second World War, how many people were they tortured? How many scattered across the fields?
              So take over their "advanced" experience.
              By the way, again, in such a situation, you fall into the hands of these Muslim-Asians ... they will not flick too much .....
              Clegg (1) KZ December 12, 2013 20:41
              Muslims bud'te lohami i jivite pod russkimi))) Tak by i napisali otkrovenno
              or this "comrade"
              I stock up on popcorn and Coca-Cola)))
              Here they have everything at the level of instincts - devoured, shit ... and died.
              1. Midshipman
                Midshipman 17 December 2013 12: 37
                -1
                Better direct your energy in a different direction, to the true cause of nationalist problems - corruption and atrophy of power. You do not seem to understand that you are the very mill on which our enemies pour water. Russia is a multiconfessional state and it will not be another. You insult a whole layer of Russian society, for 90% of which Russia is a native home. You have a huge minus.
                1. gardener
                  gardener 17 December 2013 15: 37
                  0
                  Thank you, dear Gardemarin! At least one voice is not a boy, but a husband. After all, they do not know what they are carrying! And to forbid - it is impossible. So it is arranged: spewing out evil stupidities, these "warriors" nevertheless gradually grow up in reason. Will have to wait.
            2. AVV
              AVV 15 December 2013 22: 56
              0
              The most important thing is that the skins would not be shaved !!!
        2. realist
          realist 12 December 2013 09: 22
          0
          and their muslis are buried without coffins))))
        3. twister
          twister 12 December 2013 11: 20
          +7
          Why are coffins .... their brotherhood and brotherly grave ....
        4. sancho
          sancho 12 December 2013 17: 49
          18
          It is too tempting for the internal and external enemies of Russia to arrange a “Syrian (Yugoslav) scenario” in our country.

          I think that this is the main thing in this article!
          The buildup of Muslims under the auspices of inequality may well explode worse than a nuclear bomb.
          Now the GDP and its team need to urgently start to scratch turnips. Finish gay toys in tolerance. Americans have already stuck out their nose in Ukraine, they will not come out from the Maidan. I think that the buildup of the national question for them is like manna from heaven.
          If the GDP delays this situation, everyone will have to be sour.

          Oh! I recall RNU ... Barkashov would not be rotten then, now there are no such problems wherever! Every proud mountaineer would sit with his flock ...
          Ehe hehe ....
          1. Kir
            Kir 12 December 2013 19: 20
            +6
            But really the situation with his landing is extremely muddy, they clearly framed, by the way, and what is Kurbatov as a leader (or represented), because he seems to have taken the helm? And with regards to the RNU itself, so clearly the ebn side went too far, since as long as I remember this organization of antics like thugs under the leadership of all sorts of "Russians" with nicknames like Hans, etc. And given that the pagans got along with the Orthodox in the RNU, and they also had no problems with the Masulman, add the fact that some of Them volunteers fought on the side of the Serbs, and the People's Militias, eh! ..., but where is all the nso and others like that? -patriots disguised pancake .... So it turns out that they ruined those who posed a danger not to the Citizens but to trash in power.
            Add another locked Kvachkov, and other dead or planted.
            So it turns out that they are fighting People with a Patriotic impulse
          2. DS22
            DS22 13 December 2013 03: 35
            +3
            Yeah, as I remember now, in 2000, first the boom began with distrust of Barkashov (O. Kassin organized. Petrovich (Barkashov) created the GB (Barkashov's Guard), and then the entire organized Russian national movement collapsed, those who were in RNU climbed out in secondary roles - Demushkin, for example. As a result, the real Russian national power in the country has disappeared, and the authorities, rubbing their hands, are fighting against "Russian fascism" (a handful of youngsters with a wind in their heads - they were themselves in the 90s) ... ...
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      3. Clegg
        Clegg 12 December 2013 17: 53
        -8
        Quote: rus9875
        Well, if so, it will be worse if sellers of coffins get rich


        I stock up on popcorn and Coca-Cola)))
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 12 December 2013 19: 42
          +3
          Quote: Clegg
          I stock up on popcorn and Coca-Cola)))
      4. Sandov
        Sandov 12 December 2013 19: 38
        +4
        Quote: rus9875
        Well, if so, it will be worse if sellers of coffins get rich

        Well, the gringos began to implement plans to destroy our HOMELAND. Muslims do not be suckers, do not follow the liberals' lead.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 12 December 2013 20: 41
          -21 qualifying.
          Quote: Sandov
          Quote: rus9875
          Well, if so, it will be worse if sellers of coffins get rich

          Well, the gringos began to implement plans to destroy our HOMELAND. Muslims do not be suckers, do not follow the liberals' lead.

          Muslims bud'te lohami i jivite pod russkimi))) Tak by i napisali otkrovenno
        2. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 14 December 2013 20: 40
          +3
          Simple words and logic do not work on them, the best argument for them is strength, they gave it a snot, then one more time ... until it crap ... and finally - for crap! Then they understand it all in pure Russian, respect, value and love.
      5. Sergey47
        Sergey47 17 December 2013 20: 12
        0
        Muslims are buried without coffins, so that the sellers of coffins are little affected. It would soon have begun, it’s time to cleanse Holy Russia from the filthy.
    2. kris
      kris 12 December 2013 08: 30
      45
      ay, lovers compare Putin and Yeltsin?
      After all, it was not under Yeltsin that Russia was massively overrun by those whom the gdp promised to soak in the toilet.
      and Asians began to be imported en masse under Putin.
      Putin's quote from September 2013. : "But the Vainakhs in general, both the Chechens and the Ingush, did a lot for the victory in the Great Patriotic War. They behaved extremely courageously, showed themselves as brave warriors and defenders of the Fatherland "
      G20 International Forum G20. St. Petersburg.
      http://www.grozny-inform.ru/main.mhtml?Part=8&PubID=45150
      1. APES
        APES 12 December 2013 09: 13
        61
        Quote: kris
        under Yeltsin


        The first Chechen war began.

        in which our army was betrayed.

        if at that time, the armies would completely untie their hands and give a clear indication - to roll into asphalt - pour concrete - many of today's problems would not be.
        1. A. Yaga
          A. Yaga 12 December 2013 11: 29
          27
          And now this.
          http://doctalovtyz.livejournal.com/4273248.html# Этот митинг русские repeat arranged against non-Russians ???
          Summary of video, speaker quotes:
          "Budanov vile ub-lyud-ok",
          "Fans vile B - Y-D-LO",
          "The killer of Yegor Sviridov is innocent,"
          “CAUCASIANS ARE THE BEST!”,
          “A Muslim cannot be guilty !!!”,
          “SKINHEDS ARE RUNNING!”,
          "TKACHEV THE ENDED NATIONALIST!",
          “KRASNODAR TERRITORY IS THE LAND OF A Muslim-CAUCASUS !!!”
          1. Kir
            Kir 12 December 2013 19: 24
            +2
            And with regards to Tkachev, then it is generally necessary to drive him to everyone ..., forgive how much during his reign there was an emergency? With regards to the fans, I partially agree, there is a lot of that shit in their ranks. By the way. Do you have confidence that this or these speakers are representatives of "their" People? and are not provocateurs?
            1. A. Yaga
              A. Yaga 12 December 2013 20: 58
              +2
              Quote: Kir
              By the way. Do you have confidence that this or these speakers are representatives of "their" People? and are not provocateurs?

              I have no confidence. I'm not even sure if the "representatives" of their "people" and the "provocateurs" can be one and the same person, or they are necessarily different people.
        2. shpuntik
          shpuntik 12 December 2013 12: 46
          11
          APES RU Today, 09:13 ↑ New
          ... if at that time, the armies would completely untie their hands and give a clear indication - to roll into asphalt - pour concrete - many of today's problems would not be.

          So now the hands are tied. They take by storm a three-story mansion in the village, and the villagers have nothing to do with it. It seems like you don’t know who walks around the village. Isn’t it funny? Then they destroy it without exception: no trial, no interrogation, no sponsors, weapons channels, nothing. Ends in the water.
          There is a connection with the Khazar Kaganate, their ancestors from there: blood feud, eye for eye, theft, hostages are all our goyim, and so on. Indirect evidence can be considered special training at the Maimonides Institute in Moscow. Soon, the new Khazbulatovs, Dudaevs, perfectly fluent in Russian, legally savvy, will leave from there. Then it will be a hemorrhoid: they will begin to justify their right to host in Moscow. This is in my opinion.
          With all due respect to people like Chingiz Aitmatov.

          1. A. Yaga
            A. Yaga 12 December 2013 13: 59
            +4
            Quote: shpuntik
            Indirect evidence can be considered special training at the Maimonides Institute in Moscow.

            Here's how to talk. Ready-made phrases are always ready - in principle, close to the topic and there is nothing to talk about. As if a classic weather text is reading. Well done woman! Secretly rekindles, but you will not find fault!
            1. generalissimo
              generalissimo 18 December 2013 19: 05
              0
              And self-appointed God-chosen, in general in matters of hanging noodles on ears, are professionals at the genetic level! The verse about the Jews know:
              Hebrew Russian woman
              An excellent lesson to teach
              He will outbid a horse
              Selling a burning hut!
              For over 100 years, the Slavs have been singing songs about freedom, equality and brotherhood! How much blood has been shed under these slogans! And we have what we have! Well, what are the eternally offended and oppressed self-appointed by God-chosen ones you can see with the naked eye Abramovich, Vekselberg, Medvedev, but there is no point in listing all the so-called "Elite" parkhatai.
          2. Kinza
            Kinza 17 December 2013 16: 54
            0
            Looks like she's drunk or high.
        3. twister
          twister 12 December 2013 15: 47
          +5
          And when they rolled up nehren it was to feed them and restore the central aul!
        4. max702
          max702 12 December 2013 20: 34
          +8
          And I believe that it began with Nagorno-Karabakh, continued the massacre in Baku, then with vacillations in Tbilisi and Vilnius, after Transnistria and as the apogee of Chechnya ... and one thing was always and everywhere missing! STEEL EGGS !!! The leadership of the country, although in the course of the revealed circumstances it became clear that all these are parts of a well-planned operation, this is how the country rotted like a fish .. from the head ..
        5. O_RUS
          O_RUS 12 December 2013 20: 51
          +8
          Quote: APES
          if at that time, the armies would completely untie their hands and give a clear indication - to roll into asphalt - pour concrete - many of today's problems would not be.


          ... and the living guys would have returned more.

          Eternal memory to those who died in Chechnya!
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      3. Ptah
        Ptah 12 December 2013 09: 30
        40
        Quote: kris
        Putin's quote from September 2013. : “But the Vainakhs in general, both the Chechens and the Ingush, did a lot to win the Great Patriotic War. They behaved extremely courageously, showed themselves as brave warriors and defenders of the Fatherland.”

        Well, Putin, for example, there is no time to rummage around in the archives, but maybe someone close to him, for example, Sands, reveres this to him at bedtime.
        And to lick everyone and for any reason at different meetings, the language will be erased.
        1. Dimy4
          Dimy4 12 December 2013 11: 02
          20
          This is a document of real Power.
        2. shpuntik
          shpuntik 12 December 2013 12: 53
          28
          Ptah SU Today, 09:30 ↑ New
          Well, Putin, for example, there is no time to rummage around in the archives, but maybe someone close to him, for example, Sands, reveres this to him at bedtime.

          Hello, hello! Here, in this photo, I suspect the numbers are correct.
          As for "for the night", perhaps Alina Kabaeva will read it? No wonder she sat next to Kobzon, guardianship was not in vain ...
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 12 December 2013 17: 06
            +5
            Quote: shpuntik
            As for "for the night", perhaps Alina Kabaeva will read it?

            ......... ........ falling asleep
            "we, de, not 37th year",

            But for some reason, the Army is quite comparable ((((
            And now let's compare these events of the 37-40s with the current ones (for the Russian Army):
            The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov, with the knowledge of the Commander-in-Chief (then Dm. Medvedev), made a crushing reduction in the number of generals and senior management officers.
            So only in 2010-2011, the number of generals in the Russian army fell by 400 people.
            In 2008, 1100 generals served in the Russian army, and by 2012 there were 700 of them. The business minister also took on the "colonels, lieutenant colonels and majors."
            The central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation by 2012 decreased by 2,5 times !!!
            In 2008, the number of the central apparatus was - 10 523 people, military control bodies - 11 290 people. And already in 2012 there were 8 people, and at the same time, the functions of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces and other central military command and control bodies have not changed!
            Officers in the RF Armed Forces were halved by 2012 !!!
            "This is being done to improve the operational command and control of troops," said the head of the military department, mowing down the headquarters and high command offices.
      4. Ptah
        Ptah 12 December 2013 09: 35
        40
        Someone already laid out here ....
        But Putin doesn’t know .........
        1. Mairos
          Mairos 12 December 2013 10: 44
          28
          Yes, courage and courage .. There were those who fought and fought well, but the bulk of them deserted, often with weapons. For this, strictly speaking, they were evicted - tin, of course, but not from a bad head, but because of almost total unreliability. in relation to the country. Many people still have clan consciousness now, however, they don’t care whether they live in Russia or in Turkey, the main thing is that there is money and influence. Self-contained peoples. However, after the "democratic" upbringing, and among the Russians there are a lot of "citizens of the world" - they are completely stupid individualists, at all, except for themselves, loved ones, and, of course, close relatives.
          1. kaktus
            kaktus 13 December 2013 17: 39
            +1
            Reality ?? Desertion with weapons in wartime - the law does not rely on eviction for this! am
            1. ekzorsist
              ekzorsist 14 December 2013 21: 13
              +5
              That's right, not eviction - but shooting!
              But nevertheless, they didn’t shoot, regretted ... and in return received - thanks ...
              Therefore, I say it is necessary to be more dogmatic and tougher, without any sentiment there.
              Were we going out with the Kazakhs for Baikonur, are we paying big money? - we pay and the city was also restored, preserved and protected from them (otherwise there would have been an empty space there, following the example of other cities and landfills), and they still strive to throw some nasty stuff all the time. In the same Ingushetia, how much money has already been injected? And to no avail - not a penny! And with all this, they still dare to gundet about their "charisma" of some sort ... but to transfer them to self-sufficiency - earned by real labor - devoured, no - that means - no.
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 12 December 2013 12: 02
          +6
          Quote: Ptah
          Someone already laid out here ....
          But Putin doesn’t know .........

          http://tovbot.livejournal.com/24388.html
          Information on the number of registered and disclosed gang rebel groups for three years of World War II
          (as of September 1944)

          The name of the regions of the USSR - the number of registered groups / the number of disclosed groups / the number of those killed during operations /

          North Caucasus - 1982/1339/284 /
          ______________

          Kabardin Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic - 160/113 / - /
          Dagestan ASSR - 350/107 / - /
          North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic - 270/130 / - /
          Krasnodar Territory - 499/432 / - /
          Stavropol Territory - 541/540 / - /
          Grozny region - 405/134 / - /
          __________

          Transcaucasia - 1549/1234/289 /
          Central Asia - 1217/1084/257 /
          Central areas - 5527/4769/1553 /
          Siberia and the Far East - 1576/1348/18 /

          Deputy Head of the Branch of the Department of the NKVD of the USSR for Combating Banditry, Captain L. Zaboev.
          Source: GA of the Russian Federation. FR – 478. Collection.
          Regarding the deserters and draft dodgers, the link above, go and read, no more than others had them.
      5. klimpopov
        klimpopov 12 December 2013 09: 39
        12
        Ahah)) I don’t remember the exact numbers, but from the 16 000 called up by the Chechen-Ingushs, something around 14 and a half deserted. I repeat the numbers are not accurate but the ratio is somewhere))))
      6. strel212
        strel212 12 December 2013 09: 40
        24
        Chechens fought on the side of Nazi Germany ....
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 12 December 2013 13: 20
          -40 qualifying.
          Quote: strel212
          Chechens fought on the side of Nazi Germany ....


          and Russian, Azerbaijanis .. Ukrainians did not fight chtoli on the side of Germany ..... fool
          1. pRofF
            pRofF 12 December 2013 15: 34
            30
            You’d have a friend compared the mongrel and the lion - both know how to growl.
            I’ll explain my idea - if the Russian-speaking people have a Reich service, even if it’s a large phenomenon, but not a mass one. Massive in the sense that not all the people rushed to the Vlasov units! And the Chechens in the Caucasus - almost without exception expressed their willingness to the emissaries of Adolf to speak along with the Germans - as soon as the Wehrmacht breaks into the Caucasus. The same is with the Crimean Tatars. They carried the Red Army books to the Germans on trays - those whom they slaughtered. And when crossing the Kerch (Strait), they finished off our soldiers with oars. So one comrade correctly said: in every nation there are **** **** s. But there are whole nations m **** c.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 12 December 2013 16: 24
              -34 qualifying.
              Quote: pRofF
              Meadow Reich - a phenomenon albeit numerous, but not - massive.

              Yah laughing wow)) the service of 100000 people in the ROA the phenomenon is not massive .... but 2 million heavis ..- the phenomenon is numerous, but not massive bully class ... live a century, learn a century .. (by the way, the same applies to other nationalities)
              Quote: pRofF
              declared readiness to the emissaries of Adolf to speak along with the Germans - as soon as the Wehrmacht breaks into the Caucasus

              and in the Lokot Republic, only Jews or Azerbaijanis lived like a lie))) let's not blame the Chechens .... each nation had its own scum and heroes ... if you want on this thread, it’s arguing .. then dig in anything else ......
              1. pRofF
                pRofF 12 December 2013 17: 46
                19
                My arguments are based on rigorous statistics. Of the 2 million hevi you have indicated, look at their national and ethnic composition and divide them into groups. And then compare in percentage terms - with the bulk of the people to which each of the groups you highlighted belongs. Then tell me what. That’s the basis of what I’m saying - that among the groups of Slavic nationalities - collaborationism is not so massive. I do not try to belittle the merits in the Great Victory of other nations. Both among the Chechens and among the Crimean Tatars there were heroes (the same Akhmet-Sultan). But: these are just isolated examples and phenomena. The bulk of these nationalities spoke from sharply anti-state positions. Not anti-Soviet, but anti-state. Since, in principle, they were not satisfied with any state built not according to their customs and adat.
                1. Heckfy
                  Heckfy 13 December 2013 00: 51
                  -11 qualifying.
                  and remember the Cossacks, they didn’t go XIVI, deliberately kill Russians (well, not Russians either)
                  1. pRofF
                    pRofF 14 December 2013 12: 17
                    +5
                    1. Cossacks are generally considered and - they consider themselves and considered themselves - a separate nationality. When asked who they were, weren't they Russians for an hour, they always answered - "Cossacks".
                    2. Again, what part went into the service of the Germans? And which one fought them honestly? Here on VO somewhere there is an article about Cossacks, like "Cossack Glory" or something like that - about Cossack units in the Soviet army, as well as about one Cossack, the hero of three wars - the 1st World War, the Civil, and then the Second World War ... And there were a lot of people like him who went to fight voluntarily for the Union - there seemed to be talking about a whole regiment. If you don’t find it, you can write to me - I usually save the articles, I think I will find them.
              2. Rattenfanger
                Rattenfanger 12 December 2013 17: 52
                +4
                Quote: smersh70
                service for 100000 people in ROA

                Now call at least ONE unit involved in the direct hostilities. Punitive operations were carried out until the 43rd year. Under the watchful guidance of the lady-in-law. However, after another account of the shooting of the Sonderkommando and the flight to the partisans, they refused to give weapons to them. Abwehr remained. But there, sorry, piece goods.
                It's funny to talk about "hivi" - a man had a choice - to serve, for example, as a groom, or to build roads near Todt, or go to fertilize. Where is the betrayal?
              3. holderrr
                holderrr 12 December 2013 18: 22
                +6
                And how many people were in the Lokot Republic (by the way - this is its self-name) and what percentage of the number of Russians in the USSR was it? This so-called pea-sized republic. 2-3 million Russians are not a significant part of the Russian world. And 15 thousand Chechens are significant! Plus, population support is almost 100%. Collaborationists The Russian population did not support. Do you feel the difference?
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 12 December 2013 19: 45
                  +1
                  ok, the Tatars of the Crimea and the Chechens (they seemed to collaborate with the Germans, although all the occupied occupied somehow with the Germans), ok, the Volga Germans (they were afraid of a blow to the back). and Koreans and Kurds and Meskhetian Turks and Greeks?
                  1. Prisoner
                    Prisoner 12 December 2013 20: 36
                    -3
                    I will correct you a little if you do not mind. The Vainakhs were not in occupation. Here, most commentators write more on emotions rather than facts. I cited the extract from the certificate above, which clearly shows that the percentage of gang groups is approximately the same throughout the country. Consequently, in the Caucasus there were exactly as many traitors as in other regions.
                    1. Semurg
                      Semurg 13 December 2013 08: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: Prisoner
                      I will correct you a little if you do not mind. The Vainakhs were not in occupation. Here, most commentators write more on emotions rather than facts. I cited the extract from the certificate above, which clearly shows that the percentage of gang groups is approximately the same throughout the country. Consequently, in the Caucasus there were exactly as many traitors as in other regions.

                      amendment accepted. Yes, it seems the same I write that it was all, in response to that people are traitors and these heroes.
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                  2. Clegg
                    Clegg 12 December 2013 20: 47
                    -29 qualifying.
                    Vot hot 'ubeite ne ponimayu logiku russkih.

                    Mol oni voevali vmeste s nemtsami, i chto tut takogo?

                    Byla otlichnaya vozmojnost 'vyiti iz pod russian occupation, oni i popytalis' razygrat' nemetskuyu kartu.

                    Jyl by vo vremena 2WW skoree vsego byl by na storone Germany protiv communists.
                    1. pRofF
                      pRofF 12 December 2013 22: 22
                      14
                      Well, they would shoot you in the end. If not their own - for betrayal, so strangers - for almost the same. After all, there is such a simple truth - "He who has betrayed once, can betray again." And the Germans are practitioners and rationalists. They would have taken it seriously.
                      Yes, such a small postscript: if you could not prove to the Deutsche people your Aryan origin - the tribe up to the third - then you would be considered "Untermensch", in common parlance - subhuman. And for them "Untermensch" is cannon meat, thrown on pillboxes. Like this)
                      PPS Yes, still such an eternal thought - "Good always triumphs over evil." That is, whoever won is the one who is kind. And the Union, IS Stalin, the people and my grandmothers and grandfathers, and of course, the crazy, wild communists won. Further it is necessary to explain ???
                      1. Clegg
                        Clegg 13 December 2013 08: 32
                        -5
                        Quote: pRofF
                        Yes, such a small postscript: if you could not prove to the Deutsche people your Aryan origin - the tribe up to the third - then you would be considered "Untermensch", in common parlance - subhuman.

                        Well, according to their theory, the Turks and Japanese are Asian Aryans. So no problem)
                      2. pRofF
                        pRofF 13 December 2013 10: 37
                        +5
                        About the Japanese - yes, there is such information. But about the Türks - has the firewood gone? And it was just about the PROOF. With the provision of facts, documents, etc. Only now I don't think that the Germans would listen to you. and do you know why? Because any traitor for them is already an "untermensch". It's simple.
                      3. Clegg
                        Clegg 13 December 2013 12: 50
                        -6
                        look can you find)

                        Quote: pRofF
                        Because any traitor for them is already an "untermensch".

                        traitor? If he did not consider the homeland of the USSR? whom did you betray? communists?
                      4. pRofF
                        pRofF 13 December 2013 17: 05
                        +5
                        And why should I look for the specified information? You indicated this fact, I asked for confirmation. And instead of some facts - some unintelligible grumble. Please bring something to prove your words.
                        As for: "If he did not consider the USSR as the Motherland? Whom did he betray the Communists?", Are you familiar with such a thing as the Ost plan? Which presupposed the solution of the "Eastern question" by already tested methods on the "Jewish" question? That is, Majdanek, Dachau, Treblinka? What am I leading to. Simply by saying that you would easily fall under "Deutschen Zoldaten", whitewashing traitors and Judas, you are showing: a) either your own stupidity (and, moreover, very expressive stupidity) b) or you also belong to the same cohort of Judas, really considering himself a hero. Which is fundamentally wrong. c) either you just "trolleus ordinary, ushus mohnatus")
              4. Prisoner
                Prisoner 12 December 2013 23: 03
                -1
                Quote: Clegg
                Vot hot 'ubeite ne ponimayu logiku russkih.

                Mol oni voevali vmeste s nemtsami, i chto tut takogo?

                Byla otlichnaya vozmojnost 'vyiti iz pod russian occupation, oni i popytalis' razygrat' nemetskuyu kartu.

                Jyl by vo vremena 2WW skoree vsego byl by na storone Germany protiv communists.

                Which side is it on everyone’s business of course, so your position on this matter is your business. But you in your post again, like most commentators here, put all the Vainakhs in opposition to the Soviet regime and the country's traitors. And this is not true! From the data of the State Archive that I have cited, it is quite obvious that there were almost the same number of opponents, dissatisfied with the regime, and accomplices of the Nazis throughout the country, including the North Caucasus. And among the Vainakhs specifically there were about the same number as among the other peoples of the country. So declaring that you, like many writers here, insult the memory, including of my relatives who fought. For this, minus you from me. Because the majority of Russian commentators I can still understand, they were zombified by a stream of agitation against the Vainakhs and all other Caucasians. But how you fell for the same hook is a mystery to me.
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%85%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%A0%D0%B0%
                D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B4_%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 один из моих родственников не вернувшихся с войны
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 13 December 2013 08: 35
                  -10 qualifying.
                  Quote: Prisoner
                  But how you fell for the same hook is a mystery to me.

                  No, I’m just trying to explain to those why a certain part of Caucasians fought for the Germans.
                  Russians just have to understand why they did this, it’s not necessary to support. It is necessary to look at things objectively.
              5. ekzorsist
                ekzorsist 15 December 2013 19: 15
                +3
                Quote: Clegg
                Vot hot 'ubeite ne ponimayu logiku russkih.

                Mol oni voevali vmeste s nemtsami, i chto tut takogo?

                Byla otlichnaya vozmojnost 'vyiti iz pod russian occupation, oni i popytalis' razygrat' nemetskuyu kartu.

                Jyl by vo vremena 2WW skoree vsego byl by na storone Germany protiv communists.

                Hear "dear" you seem to have clung to Russian so well not so long ago, but then something almost switched to Yiddish?!? What happened to you? Or are you learning Chinese? And that is really useful for you and even necessary !!! Only the Chinese are also pragmatists and traitors too ... they do not really like, as indeed everywhere.
                But your statements once again show what "good allies" the Kazakhs are.
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 16 December 2013 18: 46
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                  Quote: ekzorsist
                  But your statements once again show what "good allies" the Kazakhs are.

                  Snimi qazaqski flag)))
                2. ekzorsist
                  ekzorsist 17 December 2013 19: 57
                  0
                  Do not understand yours.
                  Speak already in normal, or even in import letters, in an incomprehensible language ...
                  But before that, how cool it was in Russian tweeted.
                  Or cut salaries in the KNB?
            2. Flooding
              Flooding 15 December 2013 20: 38
              +3
              Quote: Clegg
              Jyl by vo vremena 2WW skoree vsego byl by na storone Germany protiv communists.

              Write directly: on the side of the Nazis.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 16 December 2013 18: 48
                0
                Quote: Flood
                Write directly: on the side of the Nazis.

                Fashistov? na storone Italy?
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        3. smersh70
          smersh70 12 December 2013 22: 29
          -28 qualifying.
          Quote: holderrr
          2-3 million Russians are not a significant part of the Russian world
          In your opinion, millions are not ... but 15 thousand is a mass phenomenon)))) look for other arguments ... but divide them into groups and subgroups .. we are not in a biology lesson .. wanted a quantity .. that's what I showed you. .... that more Russians were serving Germans than Chechens .... lately, your disregard for national minorities is even displayed on the general history of the state .... you, as representatives of a great nation, do not bring this closer, but instead and all ... even the Ukrainians and then YOU do not want to live in one alliance ... (this is so, by the way)).
          1. pRofF
            pRofF 13 December 2013 10: 34
            +8
            They don’t want to live with US ... In this context, I would like to ask: and you yourself, excuse me, who?
            As for the mass. They have already tried to explain to you: the attitude towards collaboration is characterized by how much of a given ethnic group is serving the enemy. That is, the percentage of the number of traitors to the bulk of the ethnic group. But for you, this seems to be an empty phrase. From which I can draw a couple of simple conclusions: either you persist simply out of a desire for contradiction, i.e. you are an ordinary troll with furry ears, or your education is lagging behind to be desired, because you do not understand commonplace things. Choose any option.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 13 December 2013 18: 13
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              Quote: pRofF
              with furry ears, or your education is lagging behind to be desired, because you do not understand commonplace things.

              you know such an oriental proverb - a monkey looks in the mirror
              1. pRofF
                pRofF 14 December 2013 11: 41
                +2
                Good proverb. Only you and I have not decided who belongs to the role of the monkey.
            2. Prisoner
              Prisoner 14 December 2013 01: 05
              +1
              Information on the number of deserters seized and evading service in the Red Army

              North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic - deserters / evaders

              For the 2nd half of 1941 - 2.586 / 257
              For 1942 - 346/269
              For 1943 - 1.204/250
              For the 1nd half of 1944 - 231 / 86
              For 3 years September 1944 - 4.366 / 862
              Total - 5.228
              There is no exact data on Chechen-Ingushetia, there is data on the Grozny region since at the time the certificate was drawn up, the Chechen-Ingushetia region was abolished. Regions where about 2/3 of the republic’s population moved to the Grozny region. The number of deserters and draft dodgers on it is 5297 people. We assume that the percentage of deserters and draft evaders throughout Chechnya-Ingushetia was approximately the same as in the Grozny region. Based on this, we calculate the estimated number of deserters and draft dodgers in Chechnya-Ingushetia as a whole: 5297/2 * 3 = 7945 ~ 8 thousand people
              Let us a priori assume that among the Russian population of both republics there was not a single deviator and deserter. According to the 1939 census, the population of the Chechens and Ingushs is 491 thousand, and the Ossetians - 195 thousand.
              Quote: pRofF
              how much of a given ethnic group is serving the enemy

              Total Ossetians for 195 thousand have 5228 deserters and deviators, Chechens and Ingushs for 491 thousand have 8 thousand deserters and deviators. Following your logic, weren't those evicted?
              The data here is the Deputy Head of the Branch of the Department of the NKVD of the USSR for Combating Banditry, Captain L. Zaboev.
              Source: GA of the Russian Federation. FR-9478. Op. 1. D. 377. L. 8-15.
              1. pRofF
                pRofF 14 December 2013 12: 11
                +5
                My dear, do not play, please with numbers. What you have cited is far from complete numbers. I've found others.
                Sources: 1) GARF. F.R-9479. Op. 1. D.925. L.5. Cit. Quoted from: Bugay N.F. L. Beria - I. Stalin: According to your instructions ... M .: "AIRO-XX", 1995. P.90
                2) Veremeev Yu .. Chechnya 1941-44. 3) N. Grodno. "The Unfinished War: A History of the Armed Conflict in Chechnya".
                And what we have, quote:
                "Before the war in Chechnya lived
                Chechens - 387,8 thousand (52,8%)
                Ingush - 75 thousand (12%)
                Russians - 205,8 thousand (27,8%)
                other - 57 thousand (7,4%)
                total - 731,7 thousand inhabitants.
                At the first mobilization in August 1941, from 8000 people to be drafted, 719 people deserted.
                In October 1941 of 4733, the 362 man evaded the draft.
                In March 1942, from 14576 people deserted and evaded the 13560 service, people who went into illegal situations, went to the mountains and joined the gangs.
                In 1943, out of 3000 volunteers, the number of deserters was 1870. "
                Further: "A group of Chechens led by Alautdin Khamchiev and Abdurakhman Beltoev sheltered the parachute landing of the German intelligence officer Lange and ferried it across the front line. The criminals were awarded knightly orders and transferred to the Chechen Republic of the ASSR to organize an armed uprising."
                Now you can move on to simple math. In total, during the war years, from the Checheno-Soviet Socialist Republic 30300 people were called up. Deserted, according to statistics - 16600. Around 55%. But - they called not only Chechens and Ingush. If we proceed from the proportions of the national composition of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, it will turn out that about 20 thousand Chechen-Ingush were called on. and about 10 thousand of Russians and other nationalities. The average percentage of deserters of Russian nationality during the war years - again, according to statistics - 4%. What turns out: from 10 thousand - honestly fought - 9.600. Total honestly fought 30300-16600 = 13700. From the bottom - 9600 - Russian and other nationalities, that is, the share of Ch-I accounts for - 4100 people. And all called up - 20 thousand. And what happens? Fought - 20%. Deserted - 80%.
                Further more. As of January 31, 1944, when the decision on deportation was made, it was reported that "It was reported that in Chechen-Ingushetia, in addition to Grozny, Gudermes and Malgobek, 5 insurgent districts were organized - 24 970 people" (Source - GARF. F. R-9478.Op.1.D.55.L.13.).
                In addition, in August 42 - when the Germans were eager for the Volga and the Caucasus, the Chechens rebelled in the Itum-Kalinsky and Shatoevsky districts, seized the district center of Khimoy, tried to take Itum-Kale, but there they gave them the teeth.
                What did you say there? Weren't those evicted? Oh well. Taken together, these comrades generally deserved the highest measure of social protection.
                Ps Ossetians were not evicted. There is even a very eloquent testimony: "It is significant: Dagestanis and Ossetians are involved to help in deportation. Earlier, detachments of Tushins and Khevsurs were involved in the fight against Chechen gangs in neighboring regions of Georgia. The bandits of Checheno-Ingushetia so annoyed the neighboring peoples that they were happy to get rid of them. away from them "(http://tularus.org/history/230-history-15-07-12).
                Sincerely, Egor.
              2. Prisoner
                Prisoner 14 December 2013 15: 54
                0
                I gave you the numbers from an official document stored in the archives of the Russian Federation, you refer mainly to some sort of historical writers who may be mistaken in their analyzes, or fulfill an order.
                Even according to this data that you brought up there are questions.
                Quote: pRofF
                "A group of Chechens led by Alautdin Khamchiev and Abdurakhman Beltoev sheltered the parachute landing of the German intelligence officer Lange and sent it across the front line. The criminals were awarded orders of knighthood and transferred to the Chechen Republic of the ASSR to organize an armed uprising."

                You provide data that a group of Chechens. The group as far as I understand this word is not two people. Googling these names can be read from various sources that there were exactly two of them and they were the guides of this very Lange.
                So such data as you brought me personally do not suit. I can pull you here a bunch of the same unreliable data that among the Ossetians there were most traitors. Will you believe them?
              3. pRofF
                pRofF 14 December 2013 17: 36
                +3
                I, in turn, may also distrust your data, on the basis that during the periods of Khrushchev and Gorbachev, especially Khrushchev, the archives were very cleaned. Actually, many talk about this.
                As for the historian writers. First, I gave links not only to "writers", there are also quite official documents:
                here is your source: GA RF. FR-9478. Op. 1. D. 377. L. 8 – 15.
                here is my source: GARF. F.R-9478. Op. 1. D.55. L.13.
                GARF. F.R-9479. Op. 1. D.925. L.5. Cit. By: Bugai N.F. L. Beria - I. Stalin - also, by the way, the state archive.
                Further. The same Veremeev. I recommend that you read his biography. You will learn that it is not just a "writer-historian". And another small nuance: historians, the same Veremeyev, when working with documents, refer to archival documents. I admit the possibility of forgery. But not the side of a professional military man, especially a liquidator of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.
                About Lange and Co. - google, I'll see.
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        5. gardener
          gardener 15 December 2013 02: 48
          -2
          It seems that this guy, Samsonov Alexander, ... that ... fell into unconsciousness or something:
          "... the imperial people ... with imperial proportions."
          "... a quality leap ... its civilizational mission."
          Or this:
          "... the actions of the authorities to ... restore a long-term strategy for the civilizational growth of the Caucasus, Central Asia and other problematic regions."

          Heh! From which author did he fall? Really didn’t notice that Russia overcame this very “civilizational mission”, that is, in attempts to carry out a world revolution.
          Example, offhand:
          “... In total, socialist Cuba owed Russia $ 32 billion. And most of the debt will be forgiven ..." - http://www.eer.ru/a/article/10-12-2013/12936
          Face off, the author of this nonsense, and you, dear commentators.
          Our ethnic group, Russian ethos, and our energy don’t have any more energy for “... decisive action ... to restore a long-term strategy for the civilizational growth of the Caucasus, Central Asia and other problematic regions”. It was, but it all came out. Too much selected human material has been destroyed by our “father of peoples” and its communist after-brothers.
          Yes, it is not visible from Moscow, but the province, in particular, is my Smolensk region ...
          1. pRofF
            pRofF 15 December 2013 03: 00
            +1
            Dear, let me ask you a question - what were you taught at school? Do you even catch the difference in concepts? "world revolution" and "civilizing mission" are, as they say in Odessa, two big differences. I would say UNREALLY big. Completely opposite.
            Well, at the end of the day: it's high time to leave these stories about "extermination" - are you tired of retelling Rezun and Solzhenitsyn ??? The archives are mostly open, the information is there. Read something ... And it's already boring to listen to all these screams about "hundreds of millennia killed." It's akin to that. that Grozny massacred 100 thousand people in Novgorod - with a city population of 30 thousand.
            PS Any actions of a person depend on his mood, on what, roughly speaking, what he himself "programs" for. You set yourself up for defeatism, dullness and "the truncated is gone, boss!" And what result do you expect in this case?
            PPS Criticizing is always easy. If you think that the article is nonsense, write your own, in which you will clearly and reasonably justify your position, and you will refute the position of the author of this article. Everything is simple.
          2. gardener
            gardener 16 December 2013 01: 46
            +1
            Yes, dear pRofF, perhaps I agree with you: "world revolution" and "civilizing mission" are incompatible concepts. How incompatible is forcibly imposed communism and culture.

            But in the skulls of our leaders with you, both of these aspirations did not contradict one another. And paid both disproportionately high price.

            At the cost of a beggarly, far, far uncivilized existence of the inhabitants of central Russia.
            At the cost of slowing down the development of Russia itself, development in all its aspects - industrial, technological, social, cultural, etc.

            (http://sbiblio.com/biblio/archive/vishnevskiy_serp/07.aspx
            "... While the USSR existed, part of the resources of its richer regions were redistributed in favor of Central Asia ...")

            And the whole structure collapsed.
            Something broke in the economic mechanism.
            "... Russia began to get tired of its" civilizing mission "".
            There were signs of depopulation and degeneration of the ethnic group.
            About this in LJ writes, if I am not mistaken, the same author, Alex Samsonov http://samsonov-av.livejournal.com/

            And now he again offers to get into the same clamp.
            Weird! Why not think about the “issue price”!

            Here: http://www.odnako.org/almanac/material/show_10389/
            another author, by no means a liberal, writes: "... the payment ... often breaks the back of the paying one ...". And he proposes "... to compare the benefits with the price, moreover without emotions, they are not appropriate here, it is most often a matter of state expediency, and not faith and belief ...".

            I recommend to an inquisitive colleague! (Whatever you say, the archives are still inaccessible, but this is flipping through - I do not want to!).
          3. gardener
            gardener 16 December 2013 13: 32
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            I apologize to the readers if they happened: having given the link to LJ above, I incorrectly indicated the name of its holder - not Alex, but namely Alexander, Samsonov, presumably the author of the article discussed here.
          4. pRofF
            pRofF 16 December 2013 21: 46
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            Thanks for the links, read. The only thing I add - yes, you are right in that, the resources that could be directed to the development of CENTRAL Russia, to its outskirts. But the country was one. I think I will not be mistaken if I say that even now many people mostly perceive Belarus, Ukraine, the Caucasus, and part of our former Asia as ONE country. Then no one could have imagined in a nightmare - that there would be a Pushcha and three cattle at the table ... Equipped their home. A graphic example: living in an 5-room apartment, you will not finish only one room.
            And now ... Now - the "civilizing" mission - it is forced. The outskirts are running wild, becoming Islamized, accumulating a radical, explosive potential. Where do you think it will spill out? The question is rhetorical, I think. It's just that if you don't have time now, then you will have to bomb all these outskirts and fill them with napalm, as they say. Who needs it? It is easier to try to eliminate this "tumor" in the embryo before it becomes malignant.
          5. gardener
            gardener 17 December 2013 15: 20
            0
            Dear pRofF (21:46):
            As my Sakhalin friend used to say in such cases, “A thousand objections!”
            1. "... living in a 5-room apartment, ..."
            "... Outskirts run wild, Islamize, ..."
            "... eliminate this" tumor "..."
            However, I will stop there. I’ll just tell you that when you start arranging, you’ll probably estimate your abilities. This is the question of price, that is, the ratio of costs and benefits.
            You hope (possibly as a specialist) that a country with a population of 80 percent consists of a Russian ethnic group has enough resources (including “human material”) to combat all the threats you have listed. To me, as an amateur, the picture is seen differently. I have in mind such a concept as “ethnic energy” (well, at least here: http://www.kadet.ru/library/public/Machn/02.htm). After all, the state of our health care is known (there is no one to take to the army, there is no one to give birth to girls from), education (read the comments on this site), science. Industries (hardware and those imported). Get to know the state of our village. Well, etc.

            No, Russia will not pull the “program” you are proposing.

            "... three cattle at the table ..."
            In vain you are so rude about them! In my opinion, these three great statesmen of the state committed a truly historically wise act. Disconnection is ripe. And it went bloodless. In the same way, bloodshed could be avoided and ... you see, right?
            But, in the words of my (not too learned) neighbor: “The kings gathered, gathered, and we will dissolve!” Such is the logic of yesterday.
            Well ... Now, I have to slurp for a long time.

            I’ll repeat the link to the publication of Mikhail Yuryev, “Why do we, comrade, foreign land?” (http://www.odnako.org/almanac/material/show_10389/), in which the author suggests
            “... in each case, to compare the benefits with the price, moreover, without emotions, they are not appropriate here, it is most often a matter of state expediency, and not faith and belief. Not as usual: “We won’t give an inch to our land!” Or maybe, in a particular case, it is better to cede, for example, in exchange for something, or even pay extra, if only they would take it away. Because in history it happened repeatedly when the erroneous decision to join someone was worth joining innumerable disasters and even state existence itself ... ”

            Personally, I especially like this place here:
            "... And THAT TO PAY, ONLY WOULD TAKE A PLACE ..."
            I have been holding a similar opinion since the end of '94, when I sent letters and telegrams to the president: “... in the grave I saw this ...!
            She’s not worth Russian cannon fodder! ”

            Yes, so. Isn’t it better to set another, more mundane, not so fantastic goal as a priority (so as not to tear the navel again). Namely:

            The rise, following Moscow, and the Russian province to at least the European level.
          6. pRofF
            pRofF 17 December 2013 23: 39
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            Rational thoughts, in your reasoning, of course, are.
            But I would like to touch on some points on which I fundamentally disagree with you.
            Quote: gardener
            In my opinion, these three great statesmen of the state committed a truly historically wise act. Disconnection is ripe. And it went bloodless

            As history has proven, there was nothing wise in the act. The severance of the ties that had been built up over the centuries destroyed the entire economic infrastructure of our country, hundreds and thousands of economic chains were broken, which led to disorganization and the subsequent destruction of production. During the Troubles of the 90s, our country suffered losses comparable only to the Second World War. Even in Civilian casualties were fewer. And millions of our fellow citizens remained behind the new border. We were thrown back in development by 20 years, if not more. Instead of developing that reserve, the enormous potential that we had, we have spent the last 20 years on elementary survival. Indeed, the "wise" act of "great" people. If it were in my power, I would have hung all three on an aspen ... And next to them - Gorbachev. For completeness of the still life.
            As for the "ripe": as has been said more than once, more than 70% of the population were against division. Nationalists from the outskirts - they arose, not because ALL the population there wanted freedom, independence, liberty, etc. Initially, after all, these were radical units, which the majority looked at as crazy. But the authorities, represented by Gorbachev, have withdrawn themselves from prevention. They were allowed to develop, encouraged. After all, just a pretext was needed - for collapse. The same "Sayudis" in Lithuania - its leaders themselves spoke openly - if they wanted to, they would all be closed within 24 hours. And they were given the opportunity to conduct propaganda, they told the local authorities not to touch. We needed those who would question the legitimacy of the Union.
            Quote: gardener
            No, Russia will not pull the proposed "program"
            But after the war - after all pulled? Half the country lay in ruins. Thousands of cities - crumbly and rubble. Tens of thousands of villages are ashes. 26 million dead and tortured. But they pulled it out! Rebuilt. Could. Why can't we now? You have to want it. Force yourself. This does not mean that right now it is necessary to climb into the same Central Asia. To begin with - we must pacify the Caucasus. And deal with what is happening in the Volga region. The Caucasus and Tatarstan - it is there that the centers of separatism are ripening now. These are our original lands. And having given them, we will give part of ourselves.
            Quote: gardener
            cost-benefit ratio

            This is precisely the main contradiction. You think more like a typical European. This is by no means a reproach, just a fact. The Russians, on the other hand, have never prioritized profit. There was no such thing. Our culture and vision of the world ... is much more human, or what? Russians have always done the "impossible." Yes, this creates certain problems. Sometimes even very big and unpleasant ones. But without this we will not be Russian. I was always told - if you want to achieve something - set the bar as high as possible, as high as possible. You may not get to the very top. But what you will achieve - in any case, there will be more than what you would have achieved by setting the goal at an average level.
            Sincerely, Egor.
          7. gardener
            gardener 18 December 2013 22: 29
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            I am terribly thrilled with the compliments that you, dear pRofF, have generously endowed me with: I have found “rational thoughts” and ranked them as “Europeans”! And the fact that I was not included in the number of objects of my "still life on an aspen" - also pleased!

            If seriously, I agree with you: in the face of a common threat, it is advisable to look for similarity of positions, not differences. Further - “time with a merciless hand” will tell us what was false in our reasoning with you. The story will figure it out. And 20 years is not a story. And even that - those arguments are valued that are based on statistics, on numerical parameters, on sociology data. We don’t have anything like that, just a feeling. It will be immodest for us to make unnecessarily categorical judgments.

            At the end of our dialogue with you, out of respect for you, I will present my view on the problems discussed.
            It is known that, apparently, in any national communities national identity is gradually ripening. In the Baltic countries, as well as in western Ukraine, this seems to have happened long before the 39th - 40th years. In other suburbs, it was formed later (in which the very “civilizational mission” of Russia was expressed). By the way, there was an opinion that both Ukraine and Kazakhstan within their current borders are artificial formations. I read somewhere that, in general, the internal administrative borders were drawn on the map with the "yellow finger of tobacco of the leader of all peoples" completely randomly.

            So, about the national identity. After all, it requires access to the "day surface". Which is observed. Regardless of what the political workers programmed in our heads at the time. They, political instructors, were wrong. The most “upper” of them, illiterate nomenklaturtschiki, were natives of “komedov”, people with poor intelligence. What was to be expected of them.

            So I see: Everything in nature comes to an end. Everything that was supposed to happen, in accordance with the objective laws of the development of society, happened.
            It's time to calm down. And to begin to live humanly, without strain, without sacrifice, without heroism, but everyday. For myself, for family, for children, grandchildren. For the future of a kind and their own country.

            I am convinced that we, Russians, in our country, have no energy, in any of its forms, to carry out all the power measures envisaged by your plan - to “pacify”, “figure it out” and what else is needed to stop the natural course of events (decay, merger).
            In my opinion, the time has come to focus on restoring our Russian human potential, in its physical and spiritual-moral aspects.
            Otherwise, the Russians will die out under the yoke of an overwhelming load. UNBEATABLE.
            And they are already dying out, judging by the information published and not refuted by anyone.

            And you, then, are sure that we will “stretch”?
            And how much will we lose? It would be necessary to estimate on the accounts. But no one ever asks us and you. Therefore, arguing is pointless.

            Yes, more about the benefits.
            “... The Russians, however, never put profit in the first place ...”
            Are you for all the Russians? At all times?
            And here it is: “They steal, sir!” - heard, read?
            And about the crooks that are reported today daily? Why are they robbing, stealing, cheating, cheating, hypocriting, falsifying, lying, stealing the votes of the voters, etc.? Is it not for gaining profit?

            "... Our culture and vision of the world ... is much more humane ..."
            More human - a bottle of champagne?
            Oh, Egor ...
            Okay. All the best to you and high achievements
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  • 4952915
    4952915 14 December 2013 09: 24
    +2
    During the war, over 38 million people were drafted into the army and served. Therefore, 100000 in the ROA (by the way, quite formally - they portrayed something there, as if they were listed, but did not thunder in battles) - it is really difficult to call it massive. It is very far from the Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Norwegians and other French in terms of the percentage of betrayal as an open official military service in the enemy army. And hivi - yes, an unpleasant moment. Well Sokolov in "The Fate of a Man" - hivi. Is he a vile traitor? And the tiny "Lokotskaya Republic" is an absolutely propagandistic phenomenon. (Compare with the partisan edge of Kovpak, for example) For her insignificance, no one would have remembered her if it were not for the current Russophobes who raised her on the shield. So, to your regret, the then Russia could not boast of a high percentage of scum.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 12 December 2013 16: 49
    +9
    In percentage terms, the Vainakhs fought a lot for Hitler.
    1. pRofF
      pRofF 12 December 2013 18: 04
      +8
      That's about it. And they were evicted by the way, not only for intentions and desire to betray. For the action. Our intelligence teams were slaughtered, shot in the back of foragers, naughty on our communications. That's why they were loaded into 24 in cars. For the cause.
      Ps By the way, I often met such a remark from contemporaries - the Vainakhs did not know how to fight together. Someone decided that if you create regiments with a homogeneous ethnic composition, then the spirit of community, rallying, etc. - will help in battle, so to speak. Yeah, schaz. As soon as they began to create these "black shelves" - so they began to cut each other. Clannishness and belonging to different teips turned out to be stronger than solidarity, discipline and order. And as soon as the Germans were at a distance of direct visibility, the "blacks" skidded so hard that not every horse would get away. Subsequent practice has shown that only if the indicated regiments are diluted with soldiers of non-mountaineers (Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians, Yakuts and others), there is some sense. Only in this case the highlanders REALLY fought, bravely and furiously.
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 12 December 2013 18: 22
        11
        Quote: pRofF
        And as soon as the Germans were at a distance of direct visibility, the "blacks" skidded so hard that not every horse would get away. Subsequent practice has shown that only if the indicated regiments are diluted with soldiers of non-mountaineers (Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians, Yakuts and others), there is some sense.


        "A unit in which Russians are less than 60 percent incapable
        "(Ivan Khristoforovich Bagramyan, Marshal of the Soviet Union)
  • Kir
    Kir 12 December 2013 20: 00
    +2
    Not that you, how can it be ..... not everyone wants to see black in their history, but the paradox is, if we are not realistic, we can once again do something ...... The question here is not so much to the user of this segment, but to those who, what and for what purpose brings the information to the public, what is in the literature, what is on the network.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 12 December 2013 20: 29
    +1
    hear American, you can calculate the percentage, who and how much. if not, then turn off.
  • Oskar
    Oskar 12 December 2013 09: 43
    32
    "But the Vainakhs in general, both Chechens and Ingush, did a lot to win the Great Patriotic War. They behaved extremely courageously, showed themselves as brave warriors and defenders of the Fatherland."
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 12 December 2013 15: 35
      +4
      Oskar (1) SU Today, 09:43 ↑

      Thank you for the clear video!
    2. CALL.
      CALL. 13 December 2013 11: 35
      0
      This must be shown on National TV. It’s true, the first husband of my mother, on the first day I went to the draft board.
  • favn
    favn 12 December 2013 10: 26
    +7
    Yeah, and the first Chechen with GDP began? And didn’t the Russians cut their heads under Yeltsin? And BAB with Basaev didn’t make a stand under Yeltsin?
  • evgenm55
    evgenm55 12 December 2013 10: 31
    40
    He doesn’t know history or deliberately spreads. The Ingush and Chechens were waiting for the Nazis to come, they even prepared a horse with a harness of gold. They committed sabotage and attacked our rear. It was not for nothing that Joseph Vissarionovich prescribed them quickly and effectively on the far edge of the Motherland. The only people of the Caucasus, who really fought courageously - Ossetians. If memory serves - the third nationality of the USSR in the number of Heroes. And the article is actually terrible. I don’t share your optimism, comrades. Everything is much more serious. At the moment I look at the factory premises of the factory - 60 Taliban and ONE Russian. An explanation is unnecessary ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 12 December 2013 13: 23
      -40 qualifying.
      Quote: evgenm55
      who really fought courageously - Ossetians

      don’t stick out ... it's not about the heroes ... but I can give you a lot of arguments that this assignment was selective ..... and right now, Garria will catch up and he will prove that the Armenians had the most military commanders bully
      Quote: evgenm55
      60 Talibans and ONE Russian. An explanation is unnecessary ...

      you need to work harder ... and get up early in the morning .. and drink less ..... because you take them to work ... not me ... so choose from local xxx .....
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 12 December 2013 14: 42
        +8
        Baby, do you drink a lot?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 12 December 2013 16: 15
          -21 qualifying.
          Quote: anomalocaris
          Baby


          you’ll call your children am I understand YOU .... it is YOU .......
          Quote: anomalocaris
          do you drink a lot?

          even teetotalers and ulcers drink at someone else’s expense laughing
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 13 December 2013 16: 44
            -1
            Quote: smersh70
            drink at the expense of others even teetotalers and ulcers laughing

            Well, I'm at your expense, baby, and had no doubt ... fellow
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 13 December 2013 18: 22
              +2
              Quote: anomalocaris
              Well, I'm at your expense, baby, and had no doubt ...

              Baby ... come pour you as much as you like ..... and at the same time I will teach you how to deal with elders bully and then you forgot how in the age of capitalism good manners ..... you are our anomalous drinks
              1. anomalocaris
                anomalocaris 17 December 2013 16: 43
                +1
                Wai ... Senior, have you changed your diapers for a long time? My manners are good. I drove your brothers along the Caucasus mountain range no more than two days ago. Zadolbali, monkeys.
      2. holderrr
        holderrr 12 December 2013 18: 28
        27
        While in Chechnya, I saw how non-drinking Vainakhs drink vodka in glasses, saying that you can drink under the roof — Allah does not see. And before that they smoke weed. And they stuck out early in the morning — to drive out the slaves to work, and put landmines under the Urus under armored personnel carriers. After all, the people are working, not like the Urus-infidels!
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      3. brelok
        brelok 13 December 2013 07: 21
        +5
        Quote: smersh70
        you need to work harder ... and get up early in the morning .. and drink less.

        Do you seem to live in the USA? Ask the local authorities why they drove 1500000 Japanese to concentration camps - not just evicted! 42 in America do not like to remember!
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 13 December 2013 18: 19
          +3
          Quote: brelok
          Do you seem to live in the USA?

          yes you what laughing what America .. God forbid ..... I’m not Khrushov’s son to dump there)))) and then oohl your country ... You better look at the profile picture .. there is still a flag)))))))
          Quote: brelok
          Ask the local authorities why they drove 1500000 Japanese to concentration camps - not just evicted!

          what the Japanese are in Azerbaijan .. what are you .... wassat in the morning I asked everyone .... no one knows anything ... wassat ......
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 14 December 2013 08: 48
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            what America .. God forbid ...

            Sometimes such misunderstandings with "flags" laughing
            I would be in the place of admins, I immediately spotted IPshnik. And there, who are interested, let them find out according to the attached instructions address (not a visitor!) provider server.
            Quote: brelok
            why they drove 1500000 Japanese to concentration camps

            The question remains open. Vurgun, quickly explain to a friend to whom you "drove" one and a half mullion of Japs. We have very little time ... request
      4. DS22
        DS22 14 December 2013 04: 55
        +6

        you need to work harder ... and get up early in the morning .. and drink less ..... because you take them to work ... not me ... so choose from local xxx ..... [/ quote

        Saying to work harder and drink less? For example, I do not drink at all, I work for 10-12 hours, and this does not reduce the number of guest workers in construction. And so I have the whole team. Maybe this is not the reason? And in the politics of our government, etc. "capitalists"?
      5. user
        user 16 December 2013 20: 20
        0
        Damn you anything. Speak everything against the Armenians. You have no other topic.
    2. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 12 December 2013 14: 18
      +9
      Quote: evgenm55
      I don’t share your optimism, comrades. Everything is much more serious. At the moment I’m looking from the office to the factory premises - 60 Talibans and ONE Russian. An explanation is unnecessary ...

      Everything is very serious. More serious than many here think, waving imaginary whips. This will not be a computer game of monsters. It will be a terrible massacre. And now we are not ready for it. There are many such brave men on the site, but how will they actually behave when they are poked with a knife in the side or in the back (as these savages love)?
    3. diver1977
      diver1977 12 December 2013 15: 32
      +2
      Joseph Vissarionovich quickly and efficiently took them to die in the naked Kazakhstan steppes, in goods, in winter, hunger and cold, without things. This is their tragedy. And if not for the Kazakhs, now the Caucasus would have been without Chechens and Ingush. They remember this and in our country they behave completely differently than in Russia.

      And as for the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union, I don’t know how the Alans have come in third place. Let's try to google it.
      Russians - 7998 people; there were 2021 Ukrainians, 299 Belarusians, 161 Tatars, 107 Jews, 96 Kazakhs, 90 Georgians, 89 Armenians, 67, Mordvin, 63, 45 Chuvash, 43 Azerbaijanis, 38 Bashkirs, Ossetians - 33, Mari - 18, Turkmen - 16, Lithuanians - 15, Tajiks - 15, Latvians - 12, Kyrgyz - 12, Komi - 10, Udmurts - 10, Estonians -9, Karelians - 8, Buryats and Mongols 8, Kalmyks - 8, Kabardinians - 6 (8), Adygheys - 6, Abkhazians - 4, Yakuts - 2, Moldavians - 2, Tuvinians - 1, Crimean Tatars-6, Chechens-5.
      In Kazakhstan, every fifth went to the front.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 12 December 2013 16: 27
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: diver1977
        And as for the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union, I don’t know how the Alans have come in third place.

        thanks for helping out good but for many it’s on the drum))))) the main thing in the morning is to throw out some piece that is liked by the bulk ... is it true or not .. and all .. the rest pulled themselves up .. and voted laughing
      2. Androsh
        Androsh 12 December 2013 16: 52
        +7
        Under Stalin, much was done rigidly and sometimes unfortunately with excesses, but without this, it would not be possible to create a powerful power.
        And your Chechens behave more modestly because the Kazakhs respond to the massacre with massacres, and in Russia Caucasians know that the police will protect them from reprisal, and Russians harness them for a long time until they come with clubs, Caucasians will wash off to the Caucasus.
        1. diver1977
          diver1977 13 December 2013 07: 50
          +2
          How much can you harness?))) Drive already!)
          We will answer the blow with a blow. It should be so. But not only that. They are truly grateful to our ancestors for their salvation from death.
        2. DS22
          DS22 14 December 2013 05: 11
          +2
          Gentlemen, it may be enough to evaluate history from the point of view of the 21st century, there were other times and other morals ... But you are excesses, evictions ... Is there such a thing as expediency, maybe this is the criterion for evaluating historical events and figures?
      3. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 12 December 2013 18: 58
        +3
        Quote: diver1977
        Joseph Vissarionovich quickly and efficiently took them to die in the naked Kazakhstan steppes


        We will not send you Tolegen anymore))) We have a little populated Chukotka, Taimyr and Kolyma)))
      4. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 12 December 2013 18: 58
        0
        Quote: diver1977
        Joseph Vissarionovich quickly and efficiently took them to die in the naked Kazakhstan steppes


        We will not send you Tolegen anymore))) We have a little populated Chukotka, Taimyr and Kolyma)))
      5. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 12 December 2013 19: 52
        +5
        Quote: diver1977
        about the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union
        1. diver1977
          diver1977 13 December 2013 07: 48
          -5
          Judging by your list, it was possible to put some Ossetians against fascist divisions, they would have defeated everyone))) Let's be more objective? Statistics are volatile, you can calculate as you like, swam, we know.
      6. Kir
        Kir 12 December 2013 19: 54
        +4
        Correctly every fifth went to the Front, but after all, the population at that time, in percentage terms, how many of which nationality - nationality was, then let's not forget about the ideological component, everyone says Mironov and Kantaria, although they have long known neither they were the first, but a feat Matrosov, etc., let's not forget such a thing as "order for nothing", that there were no cases of appropriation of orders when someone was just next to the authorities in a certain situation and a certain place? Then let's not forget such as Marinescu, Fedorov, the last one in terms of the total number of downed enemies starting from Spain and ending the Second World War had the most victories, but how many is a hero? We just know about these People, but how many we do not know?
        1. Moon bird
          Moon bird 13 December 2013 09: 30
          +2
          Mironov? You probably wanted to say Egorov ........ but umm uh ..... a little confused, but what's the difference, right? "These Russians" are all the same for some.
      7. Horde
        Horde 12 December 2013 20: 18
        +6
        Quote: diver1977
        And as for the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union, I don’t know how the Alans have come in third place. Let's try to google it.


        and by the number of Russians and other nationalities you want to see?
        the national composition of the PANFILOV DIVISION recruited, as is known in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan
        The national composition of the division was as follows:

        - Kyrgyz — 11 percent, Kazakhs —11, Russians — 67, Ukrainians — 8, the remaining 3 percent — representatives of other nationalities of the Soviet Union.
        and this despite the fact that there were always fewer Russians in the republics being lived, moreover, at times, of the main nationalities. So whose war was it?
        1. diver1977
          diver1977 13 December 2013 07: 45
          0
          For historical reasons, there were more than 90% of Russian and other nationalities on the territory of Kazakhstan until the 50s, that is, Kazakhs on their land were a minority. This is for information. And at the moment, about 30% of Russians are in Kazakhstan, but we are called Kazakhstanis, not dividing by nationality.
          With the number of Kazakhs after the great famine, it amounted to 3,6 million people, while the losses in the Second World War amounted to about 500 thousand. I do not dispute the composition of the Panfilov division, it was just that there were few of us in the first place, and secondly, not only this division was formed here.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 13 December 2013 08: 49
            0
            Quote: diver1977
            3,6 million people, while the losses in the Second World War amounted to about 500 thousand.

            In Tuva, for example, this ratio is also high, but only local no-no, yes they will call the dead invaders. Why? The first volunteers from the TNR - 11 people - joined the Red Army in May 1943(from Wikipedia), and those 3,5 who died in the Second World War are soldiers of the Red (Soviet) Army from the garrison of Tyva. And in Kazakhstan?
          2. Semurg
            Semurg 13 December 2013 09: 04
            +1
            the composition of the Panfilov division at what point? she replenished several times during the war. went to war with one squad ended the war with another squad. The ethnic composition of Kazakhstan also changed at the beginning of the war, one composition during the evacuation of the population and enterprises from the west and expulsions of entire peoples to Kazakhstan, another different composition, during the raising of virgin land and development of minerals and mass migration, the third composition of the population
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        2. Zymran
          Zymran 13 December 2013 16: 20
          +3
          Quote: Horde
          - Kyrgyz — 11 percent, Kazakhs —11, Russians — 67, Ukrainians — 8, the remaining 3 percent — representatives of other nationalities of the Soviet Union.


          This is a muin from a Kyrgyz site. But in fact, the national composition of the division was as follows:

          "The composition of the division was multinational: Russians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians, Kyrgyz and representatives of other nationalities. A brief combat description compiled by the division headquarters read:
          "Acquisition took place mainly among Kazakhs and Kyrgyz... Russians accounted for 20-25 percent of the total number of personnel. In terms of social status: workers - 27 percent, collective farmers - 58 percent, office workers - 14 percent, others -1 percent. "

          "History of the Kazakh SSR" Alma-Ata 1959
          from. Xnumx
          1. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 15 December 2013 19: 46
            +1
            Well, this "documentary" - "History of the Kazakh SSR" Alma-Ata 1959, but very serious ...
            You can also cite as an example "The Modern History of the Great Independent Kazakhstan in the context of the historical-temporal continuum." , great delirium will be.
            Yes, only your untruth.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 15 December 2013 21: 17
              0
              Quote: ekzorsist
              Well, this "documentary" - "History of the Kazakh SSR" Alma-Ata 1959, but very serious ...


              What are the claims to the Soviet textbook?

              Quote: ekzorsist
              Yes, only your untruth.


              Justify.
      8. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 15 December 2013 19: 36
        +1
        Oh !!!
        But you lie and do not blush.
        They behave just like everywhere else! Insolently. And they do not really reckon with the Kazakhs ... the only BUT! among the Kazakhs in the police presidium or among the police officers, grandmas - they rule. That's all easily solved - tanga gave - godfather, brother, matchmaker. Do you need examples? I can throw more than one. I just say right away - I can’t describe in color, because I’m not a clerk.
        And about the war years in the rear, in the same Kazakhstan, it was necessary to ask those who then lived in the villages ... but alas, they are no longer alive. And a lot of interesting and hard-hitting "praise" the Kazakhs would have learned about themselves. And how they scurried from the call in the steppes, and how the collective farm bins were robbed, and the NKVD chased them across the steppes ... and how much there was ...
        But for some reason, all this is simply "forgotten" for something.
    4. alone
      alone 12 December 2013 19: 59
      +1
      Quote: evgenm55
      The only people of the Caucasus who really fought courageously are Ossetians. If memory serves, the third nationality of the USSR is the number of Heroes.


      Lies! Russians - 7998 people; there were 2021 Ukrainians, 299 Belarusians, 161 Tatars, 107 Jews, 96 Kazakhs, 90 Georgians, 89 Armenians, 67, Mordvin, 63, 45 Chuvash, 43 Azerbaijanis, 38 Bashkirs, XNUMX Ossetians - 33,
      1. family tree
        family tree 12 December 2013 20: 40
        +5
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: evgenm55
        The only people of the Caucasus who really fought courageously are Ossetians. If memory serves, the third nationality of the USSR is the number of Heroes.


        Lies! Russians - 7998 people; there were 2021 Ukrainians, 299 Belarusians, 161 Tatars, 107 Jews, 96 Kazakhs, 90 Georgians, 89 Armenians, 67, Mordvin - 63, 45 Chuvash, 43 - Azerbaijanis, 38 - Ossetians, Bashkirs - 33,

        3rd place to the number of Heroes per number of inhabitants of a given nationality, i.e. in percentage terms.
  • DS22
    DS22 13 December 2013 17: 11
    +2
    We did a lot for the Victory ..... And there was also the Caucasian Legion of the Waffen SS .....
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 12 December 2013 08: 30
    25
    As in that film, "I thought they would send them to Moscow! I so wanted to see Comrade Lenin! -And Comrade Lenin wanted to see you in your village!"
    Point!
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    2. Llirik
      Llirik 12 December 2013 10: 33
      +1
      The collapse of the Emirate. Very old movie. But the current points have not changed much.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 12 December 2013 09: 47
    14
    Where to go then? This is no longer a bell, it is a bell, stupid migrants do not understand the term "Russian rebellion is meaningless and merciless"
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 12 December 2013 10: 54
      19
      I have written a hundred times in various forums - either the authorities will begin to conduct a sane migration and national policy or a "Russian diaspora" will be formed - the Russians will begin to act and think like Caucasians. Then everything will be sad .. and bloody. And now Russians with knives and injuries walk around and behave inadequately - in response to a sidelong glance or the phrase "not like that" they start shooting.
      As for any "leaders of Tajik youth" .. They are either fools or enemies, Stalin correctly said. So the authorities must find out who they are and deal with them accordingly.
      1. Orel
        Orel 12 December 2013 11: 41
        25
        Let them hold a meeting if they want it and the meeting will be agreed and authorized by the local Administration. Everyone can leave and not necessarily on the basis of ethnicity. There is a national problem. And no one can ignore her. How to solve it? By joint efforts and nothing else. The first step should be the refusal of all people who came to this rally from the republican statuses of their autonomies, so that there is no Chechnya or Dagestan, there are regions that are not tied to nationalities. If the protesters do not like the fact that they look askance at the representatives of the Caucasus, then they must not separate themselves from the common country. We remove the republican statuses and there will be no division by nationality. This is the first step. The second is culture and education. It should be general and conducted in Russian. National languages ​​can only be taught on a private, not public basis. A common history and no "left" interpretations that would incite discord. I agree that there were bloody moments, but they do not need to be accentuated, after all, we live in the present and future, not the past. If such spots are even darkened or erased from history, it may be better, although of course it is good, but only when it brings people closer, and does not force them to look at each other through the scope. The conclusion is unequivocal about the ban on hijabs / headscarves in schools. It was also confirmed by Ataturk (also banned in due time). If a country wants to be prosperous, there must be equal rights for both men and women (a woman who does nothing is very costly for the economy and slows down development. The country must be secular, accordingly, no religiosity in public institutions and in general in everything related to governing the country and The result of this policy has turned Turkey into a prosperous state. It is not necessary to compare with the Persian monarchies, they say they have Sharia law and they live better than many. They live, but not because they have Sharia law, but because oil is expensive and the population is small, will run out oil, will change back from maseratti to camels.If someone wants Sharia, go to Saudi Arabia, support your wife yourself, chop off your hands and heads and live according to Sharia, it's your business, but our state is secular and neither Sharia nor Orthodoxy , there is no place for Buddhism, Kabbalah, etc. in the state structure, administration and laws. don't forget and write your will ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 12 December 2013 13: 25
          15
          Quote: Orel
          The prohibition of hijabs / shawls in schools is unequivocal. It was also confirmed by Ataturk (also banned in due time).

          we have a strict law in Ganja ... a child came to a vhijab ... a teacher answers his parents .... a teacher came in it ... immediately left work ..... although many of our believers do ... know the law there is a law .....
          Quote: Orel
          (a woman who does nothing is very expensive for the economy and slows down development. The country should be secular, respectively, no religiosity in public institutions

          good
        2. Combitor
          Combitor 13 December 2013 04: 38
          11
          "I went" on the link to "Nezavisimaya Gazeta". I read the article itself and the comments to it. One of them decided to cite here:
          <Gennady Bedokur 14:09 11.12.2013
          Dear Editors, Ladies and Gentlemen! If you can, please give answers to pressing and pressing questions. Why, as soon as the Slavs begin to demand from the Russian rulers and law enforcement agencies that they fulfill their duties and put in place at the end of the brazen and unbelievable Chechens, Dagestanis and others at the end of the brazen inhabitants of the Caucasus, as the howl about Russian nationalists immediately rises from all sides and about nationalist actions? And these very “cultured”, “kind”, “friendly” guys are already just wiping their feet on Russia! Well, who else can afford to drive a jeep through the Eternal Flame on Red Square with impunity, slaughter sheep near the Kremlin wall and the entrances of Moscow houses, drive around the Garden Ring with shooting, kill our children, insult and rape women? And all of their diasporas have long been leading their national clans. Some rob apartments, others carry purses, some sell drugs, some keep markets, some steal people ... and so on. All Russian power simply lies under the criminals from the Caucasus, and they have it as they want, because they bought everyone and everything. Lawlessness cannot last forever! And very soon not only children, but also their fathers can go out to squares and streets !!!>
        3. WWSW
          WWSW 13 December 2013 21: 49
          +1
          And with all this, the free carrying of firearms for citizens of the country. The law on necessary defense should protect a citizen who, with the help of weapons, stopped a bandit of any nationality.
      2. diver1977
        diver1977 12 December 2013 16: 40
        +1
        Strongly agree. The formed army of migrants is the result of the complete connivance of the authorities. Streamlining migration legislation at the moment is the number one task.
        AND!
        EXCELLENT FOUNDATION FOR THE ELECTION PLATFORM! And if Putin solves this problem, they will forgive him everything. Moreover, the support of the electorate will be such that changing the Constitution and re-election for a couple more terms will be a trifle.
        Again, a social outlet. Now nobody cares how Primorsky Krai will winter, but they are happy to kill innocuous Uzbeks and scold people from the Caucasus.
  • starshina78
    starshina78 12 December 2013 12: 29
    16
    No joking here! The problem is very serious. The authorities are liberal in this matter. She flirts with the Caucasus (fearing a new war), allows so many migrants to enter that she doesn’t know how many migrants have arrived (it’s good if they come to work, or even steal, rob, kill), Russian subsidized regions are poor, and at that time such a subsidized region , like Chechnya, is booming, and now they wanted more and more. Will there be many? It is time for the authorities to think about what will result from such a policy.
    1. twister
      twister 12 December 2013 16: 01
      +2
      Maybe after the Olympics .... kirsach under the ass will give? I would like to!
      1. anip
        anip 12 December 2013 17: 17
        +5
        Quote: twister
        Maybe after the Olympics .... kirsach under the ass will give? I would like to!

        They will not, not that policy of the current government.
      2. Elm
        Elm 16 December 2013 02: 15
        0
        In 2018, there will be more football!
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 12 December 2013 16: 07
      +1
      Quote: starshina78
      She flirts with the Caucasus (fearing a new war)

      Everything is simpler, moreover, a lot.
      Babloraspil
      Quote: Oskar
      But Vainakhs in general

      Grandfather correctly spoke of the number of heads of cattle and not very cattle in peasant farmsteads in the Caucasus and in the rest of the USSR. Let me remind you also of the taxes in kind levied on every peasant farmstead in the USSR.
      The Soviet peasantry actually lived in conditions of state feudalism, giving up dues - state deliveries (canceled only in 1958), practicing corvée (regulated minimum wage), which only disappeared by the end of the 60s, and paying cash taxes.
      Quote: starshina78
      Russian subsidized regions are in poverty, while a subsidized region like Chechnya is booming

      What has changed in comparing time periods in the history of the country?
      And the "signal" in the form of this announced "gangway" should already reach the general public, and this "general public" will start playing a game called TOWNS.
    3. UmaR
      UmaR 12 December 2013 21: 22
      +4
      starshina78

      Quote: Russian subsidized regions are in poverty, while a subsidized region like Chechnya is booming

      You are mistaken, you think if Kadyrov built a formidable city Chechnya is flourishing, it would be better if they built some factories or some kind of factory there, no, it’s respected Kadyrov and his gang and officials corrupted in the republican district departments are flourishing, but the people aren’t thriving, Kadyrov-Kadyrovtsy, and ordinary people are completely different things, so to speak, like heaven and earth like that! yes
  • Walker1975
    Walker1975 12 December 2013 15: 27
    +4
    And again, a revolt against the Caucasians, but at least one of the rebels said something, against the representatives of the authorities who roofed them?
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 13 December 2013 03: 31
    +1
    this is true - but honestly I really want to see these performances - maybe all this Kremlin aphid will wake up and at least do something not for its own pocket but for Russia
  • Ptah
    Ptah 12 December 2013 08: 05
    45
    Well, they waited .... Otar became crowded, and she wants to squeeze new pastures.
    They will gather in one heap, Russian Railways prepare cars .....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 08: 09
      69
      A rally against Russian fascism ??? Those who came up with this, without talking, immediately fucked up from Russia or about 20 years away to a great extent under guard. How much it needs to be said that those who saved the world from fascism should be accused of fascism. Maybe everyone who comes to the rally is right from the rally to the station to the merchants and back to the aul flocks of mouth.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 12 December 2013 08: 22
        25
        And who will come to "hold a meeting" and where? Tatars to Kazan? So there is no infringement on either ethnicity or confession.
        Caucasians? And they are not bad at living in Moscow markets.
        Asia will gather. 90% of whom do not have Russian citizenship at all. Do they have the right to "pump" in Russia?
        He accused of fascism - wait for appropriate measures. That's why I say it. Wagons (not freight trains) will come in handy, but old reserved seats. They can then be there in "Bishkek" and "Dushchambakh" and left as housing. Goodwill gesture from fierce "foshists" laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 08: 36
          13
          Quote: Ptah
          And who will come to "hold a meeting" and where?

          In the capital of Russia, they plan to repeat the Makhachkala rally on a large scaleAnd remember the "holiday" of Kurban bairam and think how much you can come and where.
        2. APES
          APES 12 December 2013 09: 06
          13
          Quote: Ptah
          And who will come to "hold a meeting"


          Interestingly, will Medvedev speak? wassat
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 12 December 2013 09: 11
            17
            But what about ... S armored cars from the curve of the cart. Or hide in the alley with the new "Yota-fon" presented as a present. Will shoot for youtube .....
            1. twister
              twister 12 December 2013 16: 08
              +3
              Tweet Bear black-assed fly wink
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      2. Tersky
        Tersky 12 December 2013 08: 52
        31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . As far as it is necessary to deceive, that those who saved the world from fascism are accused of fascism.

        The question is, why do they greyhound? The answer is the result of the prikom and the distribution of perfections by our "olymposidels" of the North Caucasus republics. access to public goods. If you dig a little deeper, all natives of the middle class try to reproduce the same system of power that operates in their republics and other regions of Russia as long as they achieve a noticeable position there. As a result, we get the spread of the Caucasian mentality throughout the country. The planned rally is confirmation of this. That's just how it ends this question. Actually, the author of the article, despite the political correctness in the article, hinted quite transparently, quote- "She should become an example for the whole world, like Stalin Soviet Union. And continue my civilizing mission. "Sasha hi !
        1. Siberian
          Siberian 12 December 2013 09: 08
          -38 qualifying.
          Quote: Tersky
          The question is, why are they borzoi?


          Why greyhound ???? This is a normal process, if the blacks in South Africa did not have a borzoi, the apartheid regime still existed, if Martin Luther King was not a borzoi in the USA, America would still be a racist country ...
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 12 December 2013 11: 05
            28
            Less to you - blacks in South Africa were an overwhelming majority who did not have rights and lived in semi-reservations. It seems like the right to have a greyhound, though the bottom line .. South Africa is now rare cesspool. And about the blacks in the United States .. Well, in the United States there is a motley, there is a dictatorship of minorities. You know such a gloomy joke
            - Who is the most nonchalant in the USA?
            - Of course! This is a white man with a normal sexual orientation.

            Let me explain - he is not a black man, not an Asian, not a woman, and not a fag .. as.
          2. Grandson of Veteran
            Grandson of Veteran 12 December 2013 11: 19
            +8
            "America would still be a racist country ..."
            Has she changed? It's just that there used to be internal racism, but now it (racism) is projected onto the entire external world! Obama - "We are an exceptional nation"
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            1. twister
              twister 12 December 2013 16: 14
              +1
              And then soon their house will be a grave !!!
          4. alekseinew
            alekseinew 12 December 2013 15: 48
            +3
            it’s strange that you wrote about those who you really wrote about, but who prevents the comrades from living in the North Caucasus, money pours in there, they turn a blind eye to everything, they are numb, they have already gone too far, I know people who already want to leave Stavropol because there is already lawlessness, there are friends in Pyatigorsk, they are looking for a place to move to the Krasnodar Territory, so do not la la la !!!!
          5. pRofF
            pRofF 12 December 2013 16: 16
            +5
            The process may be normal - mediocrity and degradation always want to have more than they should. Its results and consequences are abnormal: we are looking at what happened to South Africa, Rhodesia, the same Egypt, the same States (although this is someone who deserved it) after those who created these countries - white - made concessions " poor "and" downtrodden ", all" oppressed "by blacks (in the case of Egypt - the secular, Westernized stratum of the population, who wanted - as in 1917 our merchants and the bourgeois - the authorities). And if the States are still holding on, although they are very shaken, and the degree of ethnic confrontation is gradually growing, then other countries are in a full hole. By the way, they confirmed a simple truth: Negroes know how to work (!), But only on condition that their boss is white. Not necessarily an overseer, just a boss. Who can control and verify them. If the boss is black, the same Mandela, then tribalism begins - and everyone has arrived.
          6. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 12 December 2013 18: 30
            +1
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            ?? This is a normal process.

            Question to you, SIBERIAN, do you also keep homosexuals for people? From a gayrope standpoint, "this is a normal process."
            1. Siberian
              Siberian 12 December 2013 23: 37
              +4
              Quote: 11111mail.ru
              Question to you, SIBERIAN, do you also keep homosexuals for people? From a gayrope standpoint, "this is a normal process."


              Homosexuals, Sadomites, Nazis, Wahhabis are all parasites on the body of society, must be neutralized for the good of the people.
          7. holderrr
            holderrr 12 December 2013 18: 40
            11
            let them greet in their villages and villages. Who called them to our cities? There is no need to equate the terrorist Mandela, the descendant of the slaves of M.L. King and the impudent herd of Gaster and migrants. And now, let’s compare, South Africa under apartheid is a prosperous country (now a criminal garbage dump), the United States, before tolerance, and now - legalized pederasty, black racism (vice versa), mass parasitization of the black population, black crime, etc. Comparison is not good for the current state!
      3. APES
        APES 12 December 2013 09: 02
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        How much to overgrow

        and what do you want from the ethnic bandits and their accomplices?
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      5. duke
        duke 12 December 2013 09: 11
        16
        yes, in their favorite Saudi Arabia, or the Emirates, in case of only expressing dissatisfaction, the issue is solved simply - a ticket, an airplane, nah home to Pakistan, Yemen further everywhere, without the right of return and nothing, no one calls the Saudis fascists ... Citizenship there to get simply unrealistic, marriages are not taken into account ... And so the convenient position of "guests" -Russians were expelled and continue to be forced out of the SA, from the Caucasus, from their own lands in the Stavropol Territory, they are killed already on their own land, and they are also fascists. .. dear editorial board, I'm freaking out ... Comrade LADY, maybe you still open your eyes? Stop hiding behind the backs of bodyguards ...
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 12 December 2013 09: 23
          +4
          yes, in their favorite, for example, Saudi Arabia, or the Emirates, in the case of only expressing dissatisfaction, the issue is solved simply - ticket, plane, go home
          I think differently, through headache, and they show deportation to avert eyes.
        2. Orik
          Orik 12 December 2013 09: 27
          12
          Quote: duke
          yes, in their beloved Saudi Arabia, or the Emirates, in case of only expressing discontent, the issue is solved simply - a ticket, a plane, nah home to Pakistan, Yemen further everywhere, without the right of return and nothing, no one calls the Saudis fascists ... Citizenship there it is simply unrealistic to get, marriages are not taken into account ... And so the convenient position of "guests" - Russians were expelled and continue to be driven out of the SA, from the Caucasus, from their own lands in the Stavropol Territory, they are being killed on their own land and they are also fascists. .. dear editorial staff, I'm freaking out ...

          And the ticket is at their expense!
          Quote: duke
          Comrade DAM, can you still open your eyes? Stop hiding behind the backs of bodyguards ...

          Just do not hide your head in the sand. The time lord has nothing to do with it, this Putin's policy is bearing fruit!
      6. Normal
        Normal 12 December 2013 09: 12
        15
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        A rally against Russian fascism ???


        Well? Take your pick, Alexander. Which side are you on? On the side of those whom you call "Nazis" or on the side of these "anti-fascists"?
        Of course, I understand that you’ll turn on the weather vane again now. But if you are not for those, and not for others, you will lose anyway. And those and others after their victory knock down weathervanes from the roofs.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 24
          11
          Quote: Normal
          Well? Take your pick, Alexander. Which side are you on? On the side of those whom you call "Nazis" or on the side of these "anti-fascists"?

          Uh, I’m not for those, not for others, I’m for Russia and for Russians. You can call me Natsik, but I don’t attend a rally with those Natsiks who were on the same row with gays. These are not Natsiks, they’re piarasts.
          Quote: Normal
          But if you are not for those, and not for others, you will lose anyway. And those and others after their victory knock down weathercocks from the roof

          I won’t lose and that’s why neither of them will win. It’s simply because the people will not follow those who use such situations for their own benefit, get into power or something else. Here, the interests of the people outweigh the interests of individual characters. And when trying to make an advertisement for himself in such a thing, it’s more likely that they will get the weather vane and not the power, but the people themselves.
          1. Normal
            Normal 12 December 2013 11: 29
            10
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Uh no, I'm not for those, not for others

            laughing Who would doubt ... It is written:
            you turn on the weather vane again now.

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I am for Russia and for Russian

            Yes not really? belay Why did you hide this from us for so long and sophisticated?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You can call me natsik

            What are you! Sasha, what are you ?! How can s? I do not plagiarize. Calling Natsik is not for me. This is the habit of pro-government (which you belong to) against protesters (to whom I belong). Examples - mass.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            on a par with gays.
            Same. Tired of you, pro-government, repeat and explain. And nerd and smile and you.
            Read the inscription on the baseball cap of Abakar Abakarov in the video posted below. laughing
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            This is not Natsik.

            Here's your time! Either naziks with gays, now "not naziks" with gays belay wassat
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I won’t lose and that’s why, neither one nor the other will win. It’s simply because the people will not follow those who

            You lose, Romanov. The people are inert and will not go anywhere or for anyone. Whoever breaks into power will be the majority.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Here the interests of the people outweigh the interests of individual characters

            It’s not funny for yourself? The interests of the people outweigh the interests of Abramovich, Suleiman Kerimov, Kadyrov?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            the weathervanes are more likely to be beaten down by them and not by the authorities, but by the people themselves.

            Are you calling for revolution, civil war and great blood?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 14: 45
              -1
              Quote: Normal
              Are you calling for revolution, civil war and great blood?

              That's why I can’t stand you marshes. You know perfectly well that I am against any revolutions, but you have distorted my comments in your favor, for what? Lying and misinterpreting once again speaking about the high values ​​of those who shouted all kinds of garbage with white ribbons on the swamp. But the truth is that everyone already knows what the point is in continuing to build misunderstanding. You know everything, but at the same time you create the appearance of an innocent sheep . Only here the herd caught in the swamp turned out to be lousy.
              Briefly, but I think you’ll understand it. I won’t lose and don’t hope, because even now the people openly do not care about the interests of Abramovich, Kerimov and Kadyrov. And during the riot, those who want to hang them on a pillar will exceed the line in the 1985 mausoleum
              1. Normal
                Normal 12 December 2013 16: 45
                +8
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                That’s why, I can’t stand you marshes.

                So I, you pro-government, really love it for that!
                It’s you, pro-government constantly shouting about the revolution, the collapse of Russia and the civil war at the slightest attempt to protest against the actions of the authorities.
                It is you, the pro-government, who accuse us protesters of fascism and liberalism at the same time, without bothering to even read the definitions of both.
                It’s you, the pro-government that’s hysterical when you see that not everyone is ready to kiss the boots of those in power, throwing their worn stamps and gluing us filthy labels.
                So do not be offended, Romanov; What is hello, so is the answer. I, too, will not find calls for revolution or the collapse of Russia, but that does not stop you, pro-government, from accusing me of striving for revolution, collapse, fascism, civil war and homosexuality.
                I just showed that your pro-government position can just as easily be perverted and turned into its opposite, as well as the position of protesters against the actions of the authorities. Only we, protesters, almost do not use it, and you, pro-government, abuse it.
                Therefore, I propose to abandon cliches, insults and accusations, and speak objectively.
                You see it yourself; or we will be together, or we Russians will not be soon.

                P / S.
                Your flock is no less lousy than ours. hi
      7. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 12 December 2013 09: 15
        11
        This would be the only correct response to the barking of this pack, but no one will do it. The policy of globalization is going according to plan. All this was to be expected. If the people themselves, as was very true in the article:
        The Russians, I repeat, are the imperial people, who, if necessary, solve problems with an imperial scale
        doesn’t start waving his folk club, nothing will change.
      8. seller trucks
        seller trucks 12 December 2013 09: 49
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        A rally against Russian fascism ??? Those who came up with this, without talking immediately fuck from Russia or for years on 20 where far away under protection.


        I completely agree, the rally is definitely a zakazuha, it seems to me that the paces from our sworn "friends" are growing. but most of all "amused"
        Representatives of Central Asian communities started talking about possible street actions. 3 December Izzat Aman, Chairman of the Union of Tajik Youth in Russia

        it remains Moldovans and Ukrainians to attract
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 12 December 2013 14: 55
          12
          Quote: seller trucks
          , the rally, definitely a zakazuha, it seems to me that the paces from our sworn "friends" are growing. but most of all "amused"


          Moreover, an article called Caucasians and Tajiks promise Putin to arrange a Maidan in Moscow appeared for the first time on the Ukrainian website GLAVKOM, which is distinguished by frank Russophobia and an anti-Russian orientation, just after the arrival of Ms. Nuland in Kiev.
          Here are some quotes from this article, which were later replicated by our "independent publications".
          As members of public organizations in Dagestan told the publication, dissatisfaction with bans on wearing hijabs in schools, obstacles to building mosques and arrests of Muslim activists threatens to splash out in a street protest in the capital of Russia.
          The publication clarifies that the organizers plan to hold a rally in the capital no later than December 25, but are ready to postpone it to the beginning of 2014 if they do not have time to fill out an application to the capital’s city hall in time. The action will be attended by natives of Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, North Ossetia and the Stavropol Territory.
          The organizers called the expression of support for the lawyer Murad Musaev, who is accused of bribing witnesses in the murder of Colonel Yuri Budanov and pressure on the jury, to be the immediate reason for the rally.
          On his Facebook page, one of the organizers of the rally, Abakar Abakarov, wrote that the participants in the event would also require prosecution of employees of several federal television channels, including Channel One, Russia 2 and NTV. According to him, the journalists of these media are engaged in inciting ethnic and religious hatred.

          link
          According to the dates of the rally on the eve of the Olympics ... America’s next plan has ripened and again fomented and persecuted. There will be a provocation at the rally, ours will pacify everyone, in the turmoil Caucasians (hired) will cut several of their own, everyone will merge into Russians, then a global resonance , countries will refuse to participate in the Olympiad (in support of the Caucasian people), and so on, everything is as always. But ordinary hard workers are not to blame (they lack the mind to understand such a game). Specially trained people are sent for this. Money rules everything, always!
        2. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 12 December 2013 20: 00
          +2
          Quote: seller trucks
          I completely agree, the meeting, definitely ordering

          Yes, no one will allow them to hold such rallies in Moscow. Such rallies are a direct threat to the national security of the country. They will continue to joke on themselves only make it worse.
      9. smersh70
        smersh70 12 December 2013 16: 20
        -6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        that those who saved the world from fascism are blamed for fascism.

        Alexander, I don’t recognize YOU today))) You seem to have turned into a nationalist))))) YOU rolls over))) At first you are for Russian fascism)) then you write that Russian fascism saved the world from fascism ....
        but seriously .. fascism, he is in Africa fascism ..... so why are you against Russian fascism ....
      10. Clegg
        Clegg 12 December 2013 18: 02
        -6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here are those who came up with this, without talking immediately fuck from Russia

        Well, Kakba Makhachkala is not quite Russia))) I hope you will understand what I'm talking about

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        As far as it is necessary to deceive, that those who saved the world from fascism are accused of fascism

        Do not forget to occupy))))

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Maybe everyone who comes to the rally is worth it, right from the rally to the train station to the merchants and back to the flocks of herds.

        You can still breed pigs
    2. demel2
      demel2 12 December 2013 08: 41
      +4
      Preferably Stolypin
    3. Siberian
      Siberian 12 December 2013 09: 06
      +9
      Quote: Ptah
      Well, they waited .... Otar became crowded, and she wants to squeeze new pastures.
      They will gather in one heap, Russian Railways prepare cars .....



      There is nothing wrong with that. The status quo will finally be achieved. In pools of non-Russian blood in Moscow and in other cities, the Islamization of Russia will be stopped. The population will be optimized, localized by region. In the end, it will be possible to establish Russian order throughout the country.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 12 December 2013 09: 22
        33
        Quote: SIBERIAN
        Nothing wrong with that.

        Did I say somewhere that it’s against the cars.
        On the contrary, I always directly say that

        EVERY RUBLE THAT YOU TAKE IN A SALT GOOD TODAY IN THE MARKETS OR GIVE A SHUTTER TO THE NARROW EYE - THEN YOUR CHILDREN'S WARM WRAP WILL BE FULL! WHEN YOU GET IN GOD A DIRTY DAGGER, A CURVED BOOT KNIFE, OR A DUMBLE CHISEL.
        EXIT NOW - THEN MAY BE LATE!
        1. Siberian
          Siberian 12 December 2013 09: 32
          +2
          Quote: Ptah
          EVERY RUBLE THAT YOU TAKE IN A SALT GOOD TODAY IN THE MARKETS OR GIVE A SHUTTER TO THE NARROW EYE - THEN YOUR CHILDREN'S WARM WRAP WILL BE FULL! WHEN YOU GET IN GOD A DIRTY DAGGER, A CURVED BOOT KNIFE, OR A DUMBLE CHISEL.
          EXIT NOW - THEN MAY BE LATE!


          It is ugly to make grammatical mistakes in such messages. Questions immediately arise about the ethnic origin of the "writer" and his intellect.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 12 December 2013 09: 43
            +8
            I do not give out "messages", I offer information for the reflection of the TITLE Nation. To whom it is addressed - he understood everything correctly.
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            Questions immediately arise about the ethnic origin of the "writer" and his intelligence.

            And I am an Eskimo-Zulu, and I was kicked out of school after the 6th grade with the wording "I didn't like the guests of the country enough."
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 12 December 2013 16: 37
              -11 qualifying.
              Quote: Ptah
              and I was kicked out of school after the 6th grade with the wording "I didn't like the guests of the country enough."

              and it’s a pity ... YOU should have been sent to a hospital altogether ... so that you can be treated .... or you have learned ... how to love your neighbor .. smile ..
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 13 December 2013 00: 26
                +5
                When making the above decisions regarding me, the commission, discussing the composition and involved "specialists", put the candidacy of "smersh70" in the last place among all HUMANITY .... hi
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 13 December 2013 00: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Ptah
                  she put the candidacy "smersh70" in the last place among all HUMANITY ....
                  .. well it's not scary laughing thank God not the end of the world))))) I agree to be in the last row of mankind .... if only world peace ... good and so that you abandon your nationalist calls ... come to visit me .. saw the real Caucasus ... and the Caucasians you hate))))))) and would drink for the friendship of peoples drinks
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 13 December 2013 01: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: smersh70
                    Bv came to visit me .. saw the real Caucasus.

                    Where is the real Caucasus? In Kiro ... excuse me, in Ganja? Then it's better to go straight to Geranium station. Camel thorn to the horizon and "lunar" mountains in the distance.
                    Visit them .... Only on a tank! Back in 83, when they came from Gerani to the regiments, the political officer said to us, "spirits": "If you decide to run - to the right along the Baku highway, to the left along the Tbilisi highway. Don't go to the mountains - you will graze sheep in slaves for the rest of your life. at some mountain Mamed "
                    Quote: smersh70
                    and would drink for the friendship of nations

                    Only Shamkhor brandy and only as a commemoration for "friends of the people"
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                      1. kris
                        kris 13 December 2013 12: 41
                        -2
                        Quote: smersh70
                        Quote: Normal
                        To visit them .... Only on the tank!
                        as soon as you arrive, you’ll get it from Fogot, or from RPG .. you will burn alive ... and I will make you a great barbecue)))))
                        Quote: Normal
                        only as a commemoration for the "friendship of the people"
                        in your soul will be a wake

                        what kind of kindergarten?
                      2. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 13 December 2013 14: 04
                        +2
                        As always, Armenian lies!
                      3. smersh70
                        smersh70 13 December 2013 14: 09
                        -3
                        Quote: kris
                        what kind of kindergarten?

                        it’s you who finished eight years old. More precisely, seven years ...)
                        Safarov graduated ... school Nakhichevan (Suvorov) .... the school of the ground forces in Turkey ... a year of study at the CPC ... he served at the front. By the way, they served together ... didn’t score .... he hacked and did it right. .. what kind of fuss went when Depeche mod or whoever started mocking the Russian flag there ... even a criminal case was opened .... the flag is for your information ... the honor of the country .... it is military and defended the honor of the country .. . received a term and now serves ..
                        now let's move on to this bearded man ... Mercenary ... all his hands to the elbow in blood. in the war .. fought only with women and children .... died not in battle ... a 20-year-old boy stabbed him ... . which is still alive. and cut off his head in the toilet ..... by the way his knife .. we have a cross)))))
                      4. kris
                        kris 13 December 2013 22: 23
                        +3
                        Killing an enemy in battle on the battlefield is normal!
                        And sleeping, not ready for battle - this is the lot of cowardly jackals!
                        If you make excuses, the jackal ............deleted by moderator Apollo!

                        Quote: smersh70
                        cut off his head in the toilet ..... by the way his knife .. we have a cross)))))

                        and are you proud of it? why didn't you just shoot? I'm shocked by your .......... cruelty! ........deleted by moderator Apollo

                        Quote: smersh70
                        as soon as you arrive, you’ll get it from Fogot, or from RPG .. you will burn alive ... and I will make you a great barbecue)))))

                        but isn’t it easier to send all the Mammads who entered Russia after the 90 year!
                      5. smersh70
                        smersh70 13 December 2013 22: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: kris
                        Why didn’t you just shoot him? I am

                        it was in intelligence ....
                        Quote: kris
                        BRAINS - LIKE A BARAN!
                        laughing deleted by moderator Apollo..which will shoot in reconnaissance .. he quietly patted him and hunted him down for 3 days .......
                        Quote: kris
                        And sleeping, not ready for battle - this is the lot of cowardly jackals!

                        as my brother’s teacher said, V.V. Putin --- we’ll find it in the toilet and destroy it .... what a sleeping one - he’s an adversary everywhere and even sleeping ....))) he didn’t have to scoff at our flag .... so why did they immediately start a criminal case against the Depeche mod, because they all just sang (your analogy)

                        Quote: kris
                        but isn’t it easier to send all the Mammads who entered Russia after the 90 year!

                        well, if you can .. send .. I mean .. a flag in your hands ... run soon to the Duma .. Zhirik is waiting for you))))))))
                      6. Apollo
                        Apollo 13 December 2013 22: 44
                        0
                        Quote: kris
                        kris

                        Quote: smersh70
                        smersh70


                        I warn the aforementioned visitors from violations of the VO Rules. If you repeat mutual insults, there will be no more edits in the comments, comments will be deleted with a warning,each.
                2. Normal
                  Normal 17 December 2013 00: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: kris
                  kris (8) December 13, 2013 12:41 ↑
                  Quote: smersh70
                  Quote: Normal
                  To visit them .... Only on the tank!
                  as soon as you arrive, you’ll get it from Fogot, or from RPG .. you will burn alive ... and I will make you a great barbecue)))))
                  Quote: Normal
                  only as a commemoration for the "friendship of the people"
                  in your soul will be a wake


                  Michael, thanks for the saved quotes of this fucking - I have not seen. I will know who I'm dealing with.
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 13 December 2013 01: 12
            16
            I had a couple of times with my parents in the 80s. good Adults drank, and I ate grapes and apricots. Under the same vines, the men later slept for good. And Russians, and Ossetians, and Balkars (?).
            This is what I urge. We, sometimes coming to you, drink a delicious vine, swim in the warm seas and eat non-plastic fruits and vegetables. And you occasionally treat yourself to smoked bream on the banks of our rivers with cold vodka with unsurpassed Tatar pastries.
            And then home. WORK among YOUR people.
            Vurgun, dear! I have no HATE for Caucasians, I have a growing DISSATISFACTION OF THEIR BEHAVIOR AT MY HOUSE. And this, you may agree, is somewhat different from the CALLS for pogroms.
            If my cat pisses into my shoes, he will certainly be a PIT. Not KILLED, but a flog, with a frequency and intensity directly related to his attitude towards me (as a person and the OWNER feeding him). And this will not be either "fascism" or sadism.
            As the long experience of communicating with cats and observing the current Caucasians around me, the first ones draw the correct conclusions much faster. You can not call it the presence of intelligence, but the instinct of self-preservation - for sure.
            By the way, in the light of the tendency towards sodomy in Europe, a healthy NATIONALISM and adherence to traditional religions, to any nation within its historical boundariesusually stops alien destroyers. what
            Simply put -
            "Pour, but do not mix ...."
            / D. Bond, "agent 0,750 (l.)" / drinks
            1. Normal
              Normal 13 December 2013 01: 45
              +5
              Quote: Ptah
              If my cat pisses in my shoes - he will certainly POROT. Not KILLED, but porot, with frequency and intensity directly correlating with his attitude towards me (as a person and the OWNER, his lactating).

              Laughing to tears! laughing But the stupid cat is sorry. crying
              Quote: Ptah
              And this will not be either "fascism" or sadism.
              As the long experience of communicating with cats and observing the current Caucasians around me, the first ones draw the correct conclusions much faster. You can not call it the presence of intelligence, but the instinct of self-preservation - for sure.
              By the way, in the light of the tendency towards sodomy in Europe, a healthy NATIONALISM and adherence to traditional religions, of any nation within its historical borders, usually stop the newcomers of destruction.

              good drinks I applaud while standing!
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 13 December 2013 02: 23
                +5
                Flattered .... by such attention to my insignificant person repeat
                Based on the foregoing, I usually clearly distinguish (for myself) the meaning of such concepts as:
                1. Italian fascism (fascio-bunch). So sometimes indigenous peoples necessary in modern Europe.
                2. German nationalism (close, by the way, in Russian mentality). Twice in the XNUMXth century, he was pulling a nation out of deep * experience into which it was qualitatively immersed by the Anglo-Saxons.
                3. Zionist Hitlerism. Having much in common with the contemporary activities of some countries.

                Quote: Normal
                stupid cat sorry.

                I would have his brain, so that I live like this. Warm, satisfying and very lazy. The whole "difficulty" lies in the desire and need to reproduce sometimes.
                The education of his wife, using a kitchen towel as a weapon of destruction, is perceived by him as a nuclear local explosion, with appropriate behavior. Fell, he rolled his heels, extended his paws and calmed down for about five minutes .... I use a thin wire from the Internet cable. No physical damage (dampen thick thighs), but maximum clarity.
                There is some advice. A pinch of natural ground coffee or the juice of half a lemon helps to wean the kote from the above actions. You can also lotion "Cucumber". Efficiency - 100% plus natural flavor.

                The humorous-feline-political report ended today. Thank you for attention! hi laughing
  • smersh70
    smersh70 12 December 2013 13: 29
    -15 qualifying.
    Quote: Ptah
    THE SALT OF YOUR WIFE WILL FALL! WHEN YOU GET IN GOD A DIRTY DAGGER, A CURVED BOOT KNIFE, OR A DUMBLE CHISEL.
    EXIT NOW - THEN MAY BE LATE!

    direct call to foment national hostility. !!!!!!!!!!!!! am
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 12 December 2013 14: 54
      13
      Quote: smersh70
      direct call to foment national hostility.

      Well, now, and "famous philologists" have seen in the OFFER DO NOT BUY ! in the markets.
      Unsanitary conditions and tax evasion.
      B-X-O-D-I-T-b with the requirements.
      And not with knives and injuries, as is generally accepted in abreks.
      One should not take my explanations of the SCARED one for fear of some kind of administrative and criminal prosecution. Moreover, MIX with "red dances" ...
      1. holderrr
        holderrr 12 December 2013 18: 49
        16
        How Slavic heads cutters love to shout about Russian fascism and inciting ethnic hatred. But they are "not guilty", they did not kindle. They simply cut the heads of the Russians, raped their daughters, and took property. Everyday life, not fascism. Poor Caucasians and Asians, tears are welling up when you imagine how they suffer that not all Russians were cleaned out!
    2. morpex
      morpex 12 December 2013 20: 01
      +8
      Quote: smersh70
      direct call to foment national hostility. !!!!!!!!!!!!

      What can I say. Power and corrupt cops-roofers brought the situation with migrants in Russia to such a state .. That's where the root of evil ..
      now blood can be shed, Russian blood, nemeryano .. Can you imagine a peaceful rally of Caucasians, Tajiks, etc.? Me not..
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 12 December 2013 23: 56
        +8
        Quote: morpex
        Can you imagine a peaceful rally of Caucasians, Tajiks, etc.? Me not..

        Even on the example of "somsha" something is already clear. Six months ago, he was not noticed in addiction to accusations, he only kept repeating the blurry "about the bad single representatives in every nation "and" our grandfathers fought TOGETHER ".
        And today I have already moved on to accuse "my grandfathers" of "lack of courage" in comparison with "his".
        Another, with suddenly developed needs to give advice. Ordinarily .... This is what we constantly hear.
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        And it wasn’t necessary to thump to such an extent that your dagger was taken away from you, wallowing in the mud.

        Apparently now inspired by agitation from Turkey and such a movie -

        This, according to a woman's squealing, "orator in a cap" will not roll out at 282 for what? He didn't confuse the city, by chance? And the language in which it sweeps ...

        sputnikipogrom.com/politics/7123/say-no-to-kavkazophobia/
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 13 December 2013 00: 07
          +2
          Quote: Ptah
          Even on the example of "somsha" something is already clear.

          the flag is to blame laughing I feel like I’ve gone over to the side of the enemy wassat
          Quote: Ptah
          And today I have already moved on to accuse "my grandfathers" of "lack of courage" in comparison with "his".

          God forbid ... my grandfathers fought with yours in place .. and even one grandfather who was captured .. didn’t go to the national battalions .... it’s just that your fellow countrymen began to fully enlist the Chechens on the side of Germany quantitatively .. I answered him that before loudly blaming, it is better to know the story ....
          Quote: Ptah
          Six months ago, he was not seen as addicted to accusations,

          By the way, visitors to the southerners never mind here they don’t call .. they just put their comments ... these are some comrades from the Russian march - as soon as the article appears at 9 am .. they start calls - send. destroy .. drown in blood ... send . kill ..... all h .... ny ... and in the same vein .. show at least one representative here from the Caucasus, who CALLS in komenty. I wait ........
          1. Normal
            Normal 13 December 2013 01: 35
            +5
            Quote: smersh70
            these are some comrades from the Russian March - as soon as the article appears at 9 am .. begin calls - to send. destroy. to drown in blood ... send. to kill ..... all h .... ny ... and in the same vein.

            Well, you southerners do not need to be called upon, you have already done so. Now your fellow Caucasians are throwing a ramp to Russia (apparently nostalgia for the exiled Russians tormenting them) and downloading rights are already here.
            Quote: smersh70
            show at least one representative from the Caucasus who ...

            So there is no need. Your fellow tribesmen do not need CALLS. Everything happens naturally and by itself, as a result of HOUSEHOLD quarrels and conflicts. It’s interesting, right? Russians in a state of national hatred, xenophobia and irreconcilable hostility will smash their faces, and the Caucasians to kill just enough domestic conflict.
            Quote: smersh70
            waiting
            Actually, you promised to move to Vasilyeva. But since you are waiting, I remind you that your like-minded Yeraz (not sure what the nickname is, but you know who I mean) living in St. Petersburg, boasted here that he had repeatedly voted for the mosque as a symbol of Russia. Fine?
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 13 December 2013 02: 33
              +3
              Quote: Normal
              Yeraz (not sure nickname was spelled correctly, but you understand who I mean)

              Maybe "xetai" from Peter? Although I'm not sure either. Well, okay, the "meaning of life" has appeared - to give up "SMERSH" to be torn apart by a calculated Caucasian nationalist on VO. laughing
              They will read and go underground .... The site will wither away crying
  • operator35
    operator35 13 December 2013 03: 09
    +4
    - what to bring to you from war dear
    - and bring me a Pecheneg
    - I will bring if we win
    - And if not
    - and if not, he will come ....
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 13 December 2013 10: 12
      0
      A great joke, I haven’t laughed like that for a long time, plus sign for humor.
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 12 December 2013 09: 26
    23
    Are you sure that there will only be puddles of non-Russian blood? I would not want any of my relatives to remain lying in a pool of blood, even with a touch of non-Russian. Rather, there will be puddles of our blood. We are peaceful people. Few people carry weapons with them, simply walking down the street to work, to school, or home. And they always carry knives or something else. They are preparing for this day in advance, but we do not know when it will be, and whether it will be. Maybe this is provocative information so that we live in fear. We don’t even understand what they are talking about, being near us. We do not know their language. And they know ours. And they speak their own way, when necessary, so that we do not understand. Here, too, serious force is needed against them.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 55
      +4
      Quote: Valkyrie
      I would not want any of my relatives to remain lying in a pool of blood, even with an admixture of non-Russian. Rather, there will be puddles of our blood

      You will be silent and endure, first you will accept Islam, and then they will live in your apartment, and you and your relatives will sweep the streets.
      Quote: Valkyrie
      . Maybe this is provocative information so that we live in fear

      Why was someone scared? Downstairs I posted a normal video, look at the provocation.
      1. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 12 December 2013 10: 26
        +3
        I thought you had brains. It turned out the opposite. Are you really so stupid or pretending to be a fool? Firstly, I didn’t poke you. Please communicate with me accordingly. Secondly, do not grab single words from the context. Thirdly, do not underestimate their strength and capabilities. If you go against them, then you need to be very seriously prepared, since there is no sense in waiting for help to the simple Russian people from security agencies. It is now clear? And if you’re tired of living, you can rush under the train. If you take a risk, then go with maximum confidence in success, and not just so that you were stabbed to death, like a ram. Otherwise, there’s no point in someone else’s death.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: Valkyrie
          I thought you had brains. It turned out the opposite.

          Basil, not Hami, but rather sit and think, think, think. Maybe it will help.
          1. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 12 December 2013 11: 29
            +5
            Alexander, I advise you to do the same. If you want to show yourself so brave, come to Moscow when there will be a Caucasian rally. Perhaps you will show heroism on it and lead the masses along?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 14: 36
              0
              Quote: Valkyrie
              If you want to show yourself so brave, come to Moscow when there will be a Caucasian rally.

              Will you pay the road? Or is it a show off, not an invitation?
        2. operator35
          operator35 13 December 2013 03: 30
          +1
          discussed already on the forum - I will repeat it with your permission. there is practically no one to prepare - there is no one in the gyms, they don’t go to the army, all the youth are in jeans covered with tights and everything is on social networks and "gadgets" and even two guys .... then that just to part with life is YOU are right, not a hunt, but if a BIG BOOK starts, then we, prepared at least to some extent physically and professionally as military men, will die quickly enough, simply because that there are not many of us left, and all supposedly "men", even from under the shelling, will not be able to dump - some because the belly from beer interferes, the second simply because health is not enough ... and then the female sex, I don't know what to do .. .. you can laugh at such a depressing answer, I am writing on the site not for the pros, but in order to share my opinion and try to somehow influence the minds of fellow citizens ... and about all the protests - I saw a riot in Arzamas - drunken youth, half hits shop windows (it is not clear why), the second one shoots on "gadge" em ", with the thought that he will show his friends what he is ..... and when the riot police starts to knit the first half, the second seems to be out of work .... although they came together ... just the parents for the most part stopped raising their children .... they have other values, and the concept of "everyday scuffle" has disappeared, and it's bad ... he used to spit in the bus, they'll give you everything in the face and everything seems to be taught, but if not, then you will get it and will definitely teach you. .. and right now in the face to give fear - do you know why ????
          everything is simple - not confident in their abilities, not sure what will happen, and this is the pure truth, unfortunately .... so it was necessary to prepare all the time without stopping, which smart people are doing, but right now it's too late to "puff" from this article no more than one person will quit smoking and drinking beer in the evening tomorrow and write comments and go to the gym, to martial arts ... but at least somewhere, just not to "crap ..." with the spirit when you need to BOOK TO EXTINGUISH ...
    2. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 12 December 2013 16: 15
      12
      Quote: Valkyrie
      Are you sure that there will only be puddles of non-Russian blood?

      No.
      Quote: Valkyrie
      I would not want any of my relatives to remain lying in a pool of blood, even with a touch of non-Russian.

      So all lie down, one by one. In his own blood.
      I can imagine what kind of sons you will raise with such a life position. Have you already joined the "committee of soldiers' mothers"?
      Quote: Valkyrie
      Few people carry weapons with them, simply walking down the street to work, to school, or home.

      Don't generalize. Personally, I carry a javara in my pocket. Massager- and x_r_e_n you get drunk. And a screwdriver. What for? And just in case. Legislation is not prohibited. And so many do. Because the miracles of san-da against a flock of baboons help only in the movies. A good friend (a big hello to the "Kaukaz Mushshchin" from colleagues from Aleisk, hehe))) went further. Carries a Kochergin knife. Officially, this pigbreaker goes like a cardboard cutter.
      And, in the end, I will never believe in my life that it is so hard to find thirty for Saiga and a little time for a license.

      Quote: Valkyrie
      Here, too, serious force is needed against them.

      It just needs the determination of each individual person. It is only necessary for everyone to answer their own question: I am a trembling creature on my own land, or I have the right. Whether I am worthy of my grandfathers, or no better than a ram. The only animal walking under the knife meekly and submissively.
      1. tenere1200
        tenere1200 13 December 2013 00: 19
        +3
        Rattenfanger I put you 100 pluses. I totally agree with you
      2. operator35
        operator35 13 December 2013 03: 35
        +3
        let's go old man under the flag of Andrey Nikolayevich Kochergin to beat off his country !!!
    3. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 12 December 2013 20: 13
      +4
      Quote: Valkyrie
      Few people carry weapons with them, simply walking down the street to work, to school, or home. And they always carry knives or something else.

      Go to any licensing department there are now all the lines of people who want to get an injury or a smoothbore and not people of Caucasian nationality. Buying a trunk is not a problem right now.
  • APES
    APES 12 December 2013 09: 24
    12
    Quote: Ptah
    Well, they waited ....


    The disease is running - pills no longer help - a surgeon is needed .......
    1. Walking
      Walking 12 December 2013 15: 06
      +1
      Need a lot of surgeons
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  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 12 December 2013 08: 07
    43
    The immorality and unprincipledness of power is what causes ethnic tension. Arouses hatred between nations. All nationalist marches only lead to an exacerbation of these relations. For some, all this is very beneficial. And it’s beneficial not only to those tricks from the West, but to home-grown politicians without a conscience. and without brains.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 12 December 2013 08: 26
      +7
      ++. Except and without brains., they have brains, they only work for the enemies of Russia. hi
    2. INTER
      INTER 12 December 2013 08: 34
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      The immorality and unprincipledness of power is what causes ethnic tension. Arouses hatred between nations. All nationalist marches only lead to an exacerbation of these relations. For some, all this is very beneficial. And it’s beneficial not only to those tricks from the West, but to home-grown politicians without a conscience. and without brains.

      I fully agree that there is no interethnic hatred in Russia, they are pumping it up, and that stabbing was formerly called household waste. So what is the problem then, find and punish by law.
      1. varov14
        varov14 12 December 2013 15: 32
        +6
        Mistake, national hatred has already been grown and is now being cherished as a rare flower. The authorities, not understanding, admit their non-legitimacy, if they act by divide and rule methods. Strong power crushes in the bud all the creeps: nationalism, extremism, ethnic hatred, etc. etc. What is the conclusion?
    3. gsg955
      gsg955 12 December 2013 08: 48
      10
      A vivid representative of this government is scum Medvedev.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 12 December 2013 11: 12
        +3
        You are .. more careful, otherwise they will be attracted by the article.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 12 December 2013 12: 32
          +2
          Anyone who tries to attract, a priori, will agree with the claims.
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 12 December 2013 12: 50
            +1
            There is no claim - there is a specific insult, of a specific person.
            1. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 12 December 2013 14: 07
              +5
              Quote: Mairos
              There is no claim - there is a specific insult, of a specific person.

              I do not see any person, power cannot be from one person, we have several branches of government and each has its own responsibility. By the way, power without responsibility is called a dictatorship.
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      3. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 13 December 2013 10: 19
        +1
        Quote: gsg955
        A vivid representative of this government is scum Medvedev.

        I’m under the table because of your caution, the brightest representative of this government, Putin VV, but plug your ears, or they will think that you are swampy.
  • Orik
    Orik 12 December 2013 08: 07
    30
    Wait, and these are flowers. Get out of Moscow, get out of Russia. Caucasians are not happy with something to stop funding, they live on our Russian money and show off. No more decent words.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 08: 17
      +9
      Quote: Orik
      Orik

      Maybe nationalists will find time to attend the rally wink
      1. Guun
        Guun 12 December 2013 08: 27
        14
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Maybe nationalists will find time to attend the rally

        They will come, but the result is not predictable. It would be better if the migrants sat quietly, after all, as a guest.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 08: 37
          +9
          Quote: Guun
          They will come, but the result is not predictable

          The result will be that the government (maybe) will start to think with his head, and not by ass, allowing such rallies in Moscow or in general, anywhere.
          1. Andrey57
            Andrey57 12 December 2013 09: 11
            12
            Good afternoon, Alexander,
            our government cannot think with either head or ass - they can only think with their wallet, I know several officials and rich people who always have a passport with an open X-ray visa, a credit card and 2-3 thousand euros in their wallet, they say. just in case" laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 27
              +4
              Quote: Andrey57
              I know several officials and wealthy people who always have a passport with an open X-ray visa, a credit card and 2-3 thousand euros in their wallet, they say "just in case"

              Hi Andrew! Make a list, addresses, surnames, car numbers. Well, just in case wink
          2. CTEPX
            CTEPX 12 December 2013 09: 47
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            the government (maybe) will start to think with his head, and not by ass allowing such meetings in Moscow or in general, anywhere.

            Well, thank God, they haven’t been allowed in Moscow yet)). And the healthy part of the federal authorities should think about the fact that the regionals, including those with a predominantly Russian population, are funding "local identities" with might and main, while declaring a real war on military-patriotic education and the RF Armed Forces. Of course, all sorts of funds were rummaged there, but ... The heads of the regions must be removed mercilessly for the very emergence of the national question. Perhaps this is what leads to)).
          3. Clegg
            Clegg 12 December 2013 18: 08
            +1
            When 10 lemons of national minorities rod against 120 million nation-forming nation is nonsense.

            However, hello!
        2. Siberian
          Siberian 12 December 2013 09: 11
          -25 qualifying.
          Caucasians are not migrants, they are Russians. If someone does not like this, then the Caucasus is better to let go in free swimming.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 29
            20
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            If someone does not like this, then the Caucasus is better to let go in free swimming.

            Stalin at one time solved this problem by sending these Russians into freight wagons for free sailing.
            1. Siberian
              Siberian 12 December 2013 09: 42
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Stalin at one time solved this problem by sending these Russians into freight wagons for free sailing.


              Though in goods, even in luggage ... The question is not in trains, but in the future of the country. Stalin could keep the country, and the modern leadership of the country, as well as their opponents (Natsik and gay liberals) in such circumstances, could not keep the country from unrest. Before you do something to weigh everything, perhaps gas chambers are the preferred option.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 10: 37
                +1
                Quote: SIBERIAN
                Perhaps gas chambers are a more preferred option.

                Already joined the SS?
                1. Siberian
                  Siberian 12 December 2013 10: 45
                  -4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Already joined the SS?


                  SS ????? Give power to the nationalists and all the delights of the 3rd Reich you will see in reality in Russia ...
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 14: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: SIBERIAN
                    Give power to the nationalists and all the delights of the 3rd Reich you will see in reality in Russia ...

                    I don’t know about the charms, but in Moscow they won’t celebrate the kaira bairam anymore, that's for sure.
                  2. holderrr
                    holderrr 12 December 2013 19: 02
                    +2
                    In your opinion, the nationalists and Natsik-the same thing?
                    1. Siberian
                      Siberian 12 December 2013 23: 47
                      -1
                      Quote: holderrr
                      In your opinion, the nationalists and Natsik-the same thing?


                      for some reason, Russian nationalists mow down under Hitler-Jugend, it’s strange to me myself ... everything mixed up in general
            2. Valkyrie
              Valkyrie 12 December 2013 09: 42
              +4
              Not for free swimming, I’ll notice, but for the lands allocated to them specifically, dispersing them so that they are not collected in a heap.
            3. smersh70
              smersh70 12 December 2013 13: 32
              -10 qualifying.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              sending these Russians free in freight wagons.

              and not only them))) but most of all sent Russian and Ukrainians .... hi maybe not so, Alexander)))
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 14: 26
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                and not only them))) but most of all sent Russian and Ukrainians ....

                Whom and where?
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 12 December 2013 16: 09
                  -4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Whom and where?

                  like where)) YOU know better .. you said that Stalin sent them to free voyages of freight cars)) ... well, I say that Stalin sent most of all Russians and Ukrainians in freight cars ... here many are minus. .)) but I didn’t send them, but my beloved comrade Stalin .. so all the questions for him ...... smile
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                  2. Rattenfanger
                    Rattenfanger 12 December 2013 16: 21
                    +4
                    How much is opium today for the State Department trolls?
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 12 December 2013 16: 40
                      -3
                      Quote: Rattenfanger
                      How much is opium today for the State Department trolls?


                      flagto hitched to me wassat it’s not my fault)) and thank God, I’m not ranked here for 6 months ... smile if you do not believe me, you can ask the guys)))
                      and opium, if it were)) I would take it for free, but I would sell it more expensive ... I already need to change the car)) it's time))))
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              2. Clegg
                Clegg 12 December 2013 18: 09
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: smersh70
                and not only them))) but most of all sent Russian and Ukrainians ....

                Whom and where?


                The Slavs came to us in Kazakhstan, right now we have 4 lemons, and there were finally 6. Tin.
        3. Valkyrie
          Valkyrie 12 December 2013 09: 36
          +2
          So that there would be NATO missiles aimed at us?
        4. holderrr
          holderrr 12 December 2013 19: 00
          0
          In barrels, like Tsarevich Gvidon with his mother.
        5. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 12 December 2013 19: 26
          +4
          Quote: SIBERIAN
          Caucasians are not migrants, they are Russians. If someone does not like this, then the Caucasus is better to let go in free swimming.

          Yeah, along the northern sea route, preferably on self-built ships, on oars through the Bering Strait to the port of Magadan.
      2. Orang
        Orang 12 December 2013 23: 54
        +5
        Quote: Guun
        It would be better if the migrants sat quietly, after all, as a guest.

        They have a different opinion on this. One Gaster bleated on YouTube that Allah created Moscow so that they could live well in it. Perhaps in their midst this is a common point of view.
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    3. Ptah
      Ptah 12 December 2013 08: 34
      21
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      nationalists will find time to attend the rally

      And what, Sash, we will argue, who then will the cops pack?
      But what a howl will rise .... Russians are not tolerant! Give each school a national embutsman and additional. lessons on multiculturalism in the program! We are tightening the punishment of 282 and millions in fines, so that it would be impossible to pay and the locals were deprived of housing for "guests"!
      Apparently, not everyone in Russia understood that then something would change when EVERYONE CHOSE TIME and came to block this gathering. Then the cops will have a choice - whom to press, and the authorities will go from "talking nonsense" to the adoption of measures and laws.
      I would go ... It is better for me to sit in a monkey house for a week than then for years in a pissed zindan.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 08: 42
        12
        Quote: Ptah
        And what, Sash, we will argue, who then will the cops pack?

        It makes no sense, the Russians will pack, but this is what will cause even greater discontent. For the authorities, this is a deadlock and very dangerous. Although, on the other hand, it is thanks to the actions of the authorities that the Russians begin to remember that they are Russian. hi
        Quote: Ptah
        I would go ... It is better for me to sit in a monkey house for a week than then for years in a pissed zindan.

        I would also go, for the first time I regret that I do not live in Moscow laughing
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 12 December 2013 08: 51
          10
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          for the first time I regret that I do not live in Moscow

          And I'm not in Moscow. And I never regretted it, and now even more so. Moreover, knowing your character, when my wife, just a little drunk, doesn’t let me go to the store alone. Penalties for rumpled beards, anyway, pump out funds from the family budget.
          But if Muscovites and the region swallow it, then you and I will soon have the opportunity to observe this in our cities.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 08: 59
            11
            Quote: Ptah
            But if Muscovites and the region swallow it

            This situation cannot continue indefinitely.The situation is essentially stalemate and it is a matter of time before they start to beat their faces everywhere and everywhere.This is not some organized mochilov, but just an ordinary Russian rebellion.The Caucasians are also not completely insane, they understand that this can happen ( looking at the constant conflicts) all these rallies are just an attempt to stop or postpone the riot. This is a simple fear for the future, which they have very foggy. My thoughts.
            1. Siberian
              Siberian 12 December 2013 09: 16
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This is a simple fear for the future, which they have very foggy.

              The future is foggy for everyone ... The current scenario can lead to the disintegration of the Russian Federation, and Natsik and national men are 2 flocks of sheep that themselves are slaughtered ... Yes, the situation is stale, a bloody scenario is almost inevitable.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 57
                +4
                Quote: SIBERIAN
                Yes, the situation is stalemate, a bloody scenario is almost inevitable.

                But earlier
                Quote: SIBERIAN
                The current scenario may lead to the disintegration of the Russian Federation,

                This will lead to the unity of the Russians, as has always been the case at all times.
                1. Siberian
                  Siberian 12 December 2013 10: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  This will lead to the unity of the Russians, as has always been the case at all times.


                  you can certainly be sure of this, but what will happen in reality ... Wait and see ...
                2. washi
                  washi 12 December 2013 15: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: SIBERIAN

                  This will lead to the unity of the Russians, as has always been the case at all times.

                  Question. WHO TO BE CALLED RUSSIAN?
                  If the face is Asian or African, but always helps even a stranger ..
                  If the face of the "Slavic" nationality is robbing not only the distant, but also his neighbor ..
              2. washi
                washi 12 December 2013 15: 39
                +1
                Quote: SIBERIAN
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                This is a simple fear for the future, which they have very foggy.

                The future is foggy for everyone ... The current scenario can lead to the disintegration of the Russian Federation, and Natsik and national men are 2 flocks of sheep that themselves are slaughtered ... Yes, the situation is stale, a bloody scenario is almost inevitable.

                I put a minus for the grammar and, excuse me stupid, did not understand your idea
                1. Siberian
                  Siberian 12 December 2013 23: 51
                  +1
                  not in the cons happiness, do not worry.
            2. amigo1969
              amigo1969 12 December 2013 10: 22
              +7
              I completely agree!! There are at least 5 million men of Slavic (non-Muslim) ethnic groups in Russia who served, fought and knew how to hold weapons in their hands. The Russian revolt, to which the authorities are so persistently leading us, will develop according to the domino principle ... Biryulyovo, Pugachev is only the beginning. Kremlin inmates extinguish the problem with gasoline. Rumors that the Olympics will be held (her mother .....) and Putin will take on the Caucasus and so on. Are no more than a myth. And if Caucasians and Asians try to go to Manezhka ... well, the Biryulyov guys and all the "chicks of the city outskirts" will quickly bring them to their senses.
              1. washi
                washi 12 December 2013 15: 52
                +6
                Please do not confuse nationalists and muslims with Russians of other nationalities and faith.
                Russian is not a nationality. This is a state of mind.
                And if many Russians, under the influence of Western ideology, ceased to be them, then many representatives of other nationalities became them.
            3. washi
              washi 12 December 2013 15: 38
              -4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Ptah
              But if Muscovites and the region swallow it

              This situation cannot continue indefinitely.The situation is essentially stalemate and it is a matter of time before they start to beat their faces everywhere and everywhere.This is not some organized mochilov, but just an ordinary Russian rebellion.The Caucasians are also not completely insane, they understand that this can happen ( looking at the constant conflicts) all these rallies are just an attempt to stop or postpone the riot. This is a simple fear for the future, which they have very foggy. My thoughts.

              Sorry, but I do not understand. To beat the face of Muscovites or just as arrogant Asians?
              He’s ready for Muscovites, and the Asians in our country behave quietly. Even places give way
        2. stroporez
          stroporez 12 December 2013 08: 52
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          will be packed Russian
          and who else ....... for the highlanders of Mona and raking is not childish ....... moreover from his own bosses
      2. soaring
        soaring 12 December 2013 11: 14
        +5
        Ptah I agree with you completely !!!! It’s a pity I live in the outback, otherwise I would have come to this bunch, but on the other side of the barricades !!!
        The "comrades" from the Caucasus and the East have been painfully unbelievable lately ...
    4. INTER
      INTER 12 December 2013 08: 35
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Maybe nationalists will find time to attend the rally

      Do you think it will be better? We must look for reasons, not justifications and one-time acts of deterrence.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 02
        +7
        Quote: INTER
        Do you think it will be better?

        Do I need it? Why did I go to the polls, so that later I would also have reasons to look and sit to think what to do. We voted, chose, now let the chosen ones sit and turnips scratch what to do, otherwise I have nothing more to do, as reasons to look for them. no need to search, everything is in sight.
        1. INTER
          INTER 12 December 2013 09: 17
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And I need it?

          We all need it, because Homeland. And you don’t want to lose him.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 10: 00
            +2
            Quote: INTER
            We all need it, because Homeland

            Did you have time to make a decision, did you find a lot, or will changes occur in your country and your Caucasians will stop boring from your decision? Look, do not tell your Caucasians about this, they will burst with laughter.
            1. INTER
              INTER 12 December 2013 11: 37
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Did you have time to make a decision, did you find a lot, or will changes occur in your country and your Caucasians will stop boring from your decision? Look, do not tell your Caucasians about this, they will burst with laughter.

              ))))) I myself am from Dagestan!)))
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 14: 27
                +1
                Quote: INTER
                )))) I myself am from Dagestan!)))

                No luck to you laughing
                1. INTER
                  INTER 13 December 2013 11: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  No luck to you

                  On the contrary, very lucky. I invite you to visit in the summer, I guarantee safety, I also guarantee getting rid of templates and installations that Caucasians are evil and bad. We are much calmer than in other regions + respect, + hospitality.
    5. Normal
      Normal 12 December 2013 09: 17
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Maybe nationalists will find time to attend the rally

      MANDATORY, Alexander! If I don’t work, I’ll surely get the old, still Soviet bandit bandage out of the closet and go. I will stand up in a cordon in a place with cops, just like the Caucasians stood in a cordon of a rally on Sakharov.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 10: 02
        +3
        Quote: Normal
        If I don’t work, I’ll definitely pull out the old, still Soviet retinue bandage from the closet and go

        It would have happened with you 100 thousand, that would have been the case. But thanks for that.
    6. Orik
      Orik 12 December 2013 09: 21
      +1
      This is no longer a problem of mythical "nationalists" often financed by special services, but that's it!
    7. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 12 December 2013 09: 26
      +3
      Interesting reasoning. It turns out how out of the country to shout like that on the forum, but how to really get down to business - help me, where are you, Natsik?
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  • gsg955
    gsg955 12 December 2013 08: 49
    -4
    It is not enough to expel, it is necessary to neutralize through DAHAU.
    1. rus9875
      rus9875 12 December 2013 09: 17
      -2
      after such comments, it's somehow funny to say that there is no "Russian fascism" ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 10: 03
        +4
        Quote: rus9875
        after such comments, it's somehow funny to say that there is no "Russian fascism" ...

        There is no Russian fascism, but there have always been enough fools in Russia.
        1. rus9875
          rus9875 12 December 2013 10: 37
          +6
          The trouble is that there are a lot of fools, and among all nationalities And they can very easily be set against each other, which has recently been intensely dealt with by everyone - from vice speakers of the State Duma to the central media And people are being led to it’s enough to read komenty at least under this article. It seems that everyone just can't wait to cling to each other’s throats. We skip to the collapse of the country and realize that we did it only when it was too late — that was 20 years ago, but the story of fools teaches
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 12 December 2013 08: 09
    13
    Caucasian rally in Moscow-and what will they allow? fool well ... if this is done, then given the number of Caucasians living in Moscow, I sincerely feel sorry for Muscovites and law enforcement officers. The only true way is a qualitative breakthrough of Russia itself into the future.is with our government, in which every law passed is a step towards the collapse of Russia as a state ...
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 12 December 2013 13: 52
      +8
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      The only true way is a qualitative breakthrough of Russia itself into the future. It is with our government, in which every adopted law is a step towards the collapse of Russia as a state ...

      Agree with you. But these savages will not ask anyone for permission to hold a meeting. It will happen spontaneously, since they believe that everything is permitted for them in Russia. And not without reason they believe, because they have already been convinced of this long ago. The guilty people of the rally will be the same Russian people, who will simply defend themselves as best they can. And the Russians will be imprisoned, who for their protection were able to kill one of the "infringed on rights."
  • Hammer
    Hammer 12 December 2013 08: 11
    +6
    Somehow, when reading this, it becomes really sad ... But the most annoying thing about this is that for the most part it is true.
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 12 December 2013 08: 31
      0
      Quote: Hammer
      ... Somehow, upon reading this, it becomes very sad to become ... But the most offensive in this is that for the most part it is true ...

      Yes, that bullshit! They stepped on their tail, lately, so they started talking to them. Shut up themselves, and do not want to shut up so.
      1. Hammer
        Hammer 18 December 2013 02: 38
        0
        Well, it would be nice if so ... and how is it expressed "stepped on their tail"? Can be more?
        As I see it, on the contrary, they are greeted by their impunity and outright cowardice and seeking power in front of them ...
  • Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 12 December 2013 08: 12
    11
    The issue of the Muslim population of Russia needs to be resolved by the world (I really don’t know how). Should the massacre happen, only our foreign policy enemies will win, and there are many ... very many ... Although the article refers to the Tajik Union in Russia? Do not like us ?! Drive home !!!
    1. INTER
      INTER 12 December 2013 08: 38
      +6
      Quote: Maximus-22
      The issue of the Muslim population of Russia needs to be resolved by the world (I really don’t know how). Should the massacre happen, only our foreign policy enemies will win, and there are many ... very many ... Although the article refers to the Tajik Union in Russia? Do not like us ?! Drive home !!!

      The Russians have always lived for centuries in peace with Muslims, fought, won the Great Patriotic War and the fact that someone wants to earn some money like Berezovsky in Chechnya, well then I don’t know, we have a state and politics.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 03
        +5
        Quote: INTER

        Russians have always lived for centuries in peace with Muslims,

        In the Caucasus, in fact, there never was a world, a short period of the USSR and then until the 30s the whole mess in the villages was raked and chased them through the mountains.
        1. INTER
          INTER 12 December 2013 09: 12
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the Caucasus, in fact, there never was a world, a short period of the USSR and then until the 30s the whole mess in the villages was raked and chased them through the mountains.

          Unfortunately you know little about the Caucasus. Yes, there were warriors like the rest of Sati Russia, but not as you said there was always a mess.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 30
            +1
            Quote: INTER

            Unfortunately you know little about the Caucasus.

            But I know a lot about Caucasians.
            1. INTER
              INTER 12 December 2013 11: 41
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But I know a lot about Caucasians.

              But not what you need! No need to generalize, they, like the Russians, are different (not everyone drinks, abandons children, old people, not bl ... t), there are those that you mean.
              You need to look from different sides, and not from one side, live at least a month in the Caucasus and you will radically change your mind!
              1. operator35
                operator35 13 December 2013 03: 43
                +3
                not one business trip, opinion has not changed ........
    2. Goodmen
      Goodmen 12 December 2013 08: 50
      35
      1. First you need to decide on the Muslim groups:
      -Tartars, Bashkirs, Kalmyks, etc. (they especially do not buzz and with them only the world resolve all disputes !!!)
      Uzbekistan, Tajiks, Kyrgyz (home, home ... and faster !!!)
      -Azerbaijan (home !!!)
      Caucasus in the Russian Federation)))))))))) (you guess it yourself? ... they just understand the power ... you need to raise employment in their regions, create jobs ... and work under the guise of all dzhigits in their native mountains send)
      Leave only really sought after professionals !!!
      2. Take a tough stance at the state level in relation to radical Islam, alien to our Muslims.
      3. "Explain" to the Asian-Azerbaijani "partners" that regardless of the fact that we have departed their citizens, it is better to be friends with us than not to be friends. When "explaining" to take a position that is not asking, humiliated, money-giving !!!

      It seems to me that three measures taken simultaneously, with a firm political will, will help close the question of any "Islamic scenarios" in the Russian Federation. IMHO.

      PS: it remains only to find the political will ... somewhere ...
      1. tolan_petrovich
        tolan_petrovich 12 December 2013 08: 55
        +5
        That’s what those in power do not read and do not want to understand !!!
      2. kaktus
        kaktus 12 December 2013 09: 03
        +4
        good correctly! +1000!
      3. INTER
        INTER 12 December 2013 09: 15
        +4
        ++++++++++++++++++++++ Correct thought, and not what they write, asphalt, find someone to something ...... blah blah blah
      4. rus9875
        rus9875 12 December 2013 09: 21
        +9
        it would be nice to know at least that the Kalmyks are not Muslims, and then offer measures ...
        1. Goodmen
          Goodmen 12 December 2013 09: 51
          +2
          I knew, I forgot, please understand and forgive)))
      5. Andrey57
        Andrey57 12 December 2013 09: 33
        14
        In fact, Kalmyks are Buddhists wink
        I will supplement your list:
        4. Introduce a visa regime with Central Asia and the Caucasus.
        To prohibit the registration of migrants with the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation for a period of less than 30 days and no more than 2 times a year - it is quite enough to "stay".
        5. Introduce the criminal liability of officials for the granting of patents for work and permits to accept foreign labor, if there is at least one unemployed local resident in the region, introduce criminal liability with real terms for employing illegal immigrants by employers.
        6. For the smallest unlawful actions of migrants from Asia and the Caucasus, deport and deprive them of their citizenship together with all their closest relatives, with a ban on entering Russia forever.
        1. Goodmen
          Goodmen 12 December 2013 09: 47
          11
          With Kalmyks got excited, I agree)))
          I agree with your measures, quite reasonably.

          It is sad to understand that if there is no pilot at the helm of the plane, and a representative of another profession who does not have piloting skills, then no matter how good the plane is, it will certainly fall ... We do not have professionals in managerial and legislative places (or there are so few of them that they can’t do anything) - some enemies, amateurs or just fools. ...

          In this situation, I can only say one thing - you don’t need to buy popcorn, but weapons ...
      6. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 12 December 2013 09: 54
        +2
        Yes, the matter has become small. That’s what PS is all about.
      7. amigo1969
        amigo1969 12 December 2013 10: 26
        +2
        everything is reasonable and correct! Only who has the will and the brain to do it! AUUU ... I don’t see anyone in the Kremlin !!
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      9. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 12 December 2013 20: 56
        +3
        Quote: Goodmen
        -Azerbaijan (home !!!)

        The bulk of "Azerbaijan" has long been walking around with Russian passports.
      10. tenere1200
        tenere1200 13 December 2013 00: 35
        +2
        Quote: Goodmen
        1. First you need to decide on the Muslim groups:
        -Tartars, Bashkirs, Kalmyks, etc. (they especially do not buzz and with them only the world resolve all disputes !!!)
        Uzbekistan, Tajiks, Kyrgyz (home, home ... and faster !!!)
        -Azerbaijan (home !!!)
        Caucasus in the Russian Federation)))))))))) (you guess it yourself? ... they just understand the power ... you need to raise employment in their regions, create jobs ... and work under the guise of all dzhigits in their native mountains send)
        Leave only really sought after professionals !!!
        2. Take a tough stance at the state level in relation to radical Islam, alien to our Muslims.
        3. "Explain" to the Asian-Azerbaijani "partners" that regardless of the fact that we have departed their citizens, it is better to be friends with us than not to be friends. When "explaining" to take a position that is not asking, humiliated, money-giving !!!

        It seems to me that three measures taken simultaneously, with a firm political will, will help close the question of any "Islamic scenarios" in the Russian Federation. IMHO.

        PS: it remains only to find the political will ... somewhere ...

        And the great PU completely disagrees with you. We are not 37 years old ... And this is not here. We have a multicultural state. And we will not introduce any visas or toughening the visa regime. (GDP)
    3. PPL
      PPL 12 December 2013 09: 39
      13
      I completely agree with you and many authors of previous posts.
      That's because what a strange thing turns out, NOT ALL Caucasians, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, etc. cause dislike, and sometimes disgust of the local population. After all, we are even proud of someone or consider them, those few, "ours". These people have managed to adapt to local norms of behavior, while maintaining their customs in the family (but usually not pushing them out to everyone).
      Now about the other part of the "come in large numbers".
      It is they and their patrons who are striking and yelling in three throats about the infringement of rights (unselfishly unambiguous!). These are mainly those with whom the equitable mass of the local population is unhappy (this, as you understand, is not only Russian). Indeed, hostility is caused by crowds of loafers who came uninvited, who lack the slightest idea of ​​the culture and customs of the local population (they haven’t been taught this at school for the last 20 years), mainly lack professional skills, there’s only an incredible passion for free money earned in any way up to commonplace fraud or open robbery.
      Mosques and hijabs are just an excuse - somehow we did without it before. If you believe, then it is not necessary for this to gather in a crowd in a certain place, and if there is such a need, then we return to the question: Why did you leave where there are mosques, hijabs and no "Russian fascism"?
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 12 December 2013 10: 05
        +8
        I agree completely !!!
        I really do not cause hostility without exception all !!!
        Want an experiment?
        Salt does not cause you disgust in moderation!
        But let's say accidentally preparing dumplings in boiling water, you poured (even "by eye" you can see) salt. What will you do? Obviously, do not evaporate all the water, followed by its condensation and removal of excess salt from the dry pan))))) You, as an adequate person, pour out all the water, rinse the pan and start the process again!
  • rereture
    rereture 12 December 2013 08: 14
    21
    Let them gather in the square, and there all of them will be rolled up by the paver into the square.
    Tired of their mosques, it’s okay to build in Kazan or Grozny, so no, they are building in original Russian cities.

    Why at school to show their religiosity and wear a hijab, is it really necessary for children? If you want to live according to Sharia n ... those in CA. We have a secular state, so be kind in secular society to live according to secular laws.

    Let them first deal with their Natsiks who shout: "Cut Rusnya."

    They gathered to rally.
    1. operator35
      operator35 13 December 2013 03: 52
      +2
      the option is simpler - in n.p. Shawls, when local residents in green armbands danced in front of the commandant's office with well-known slogans, "POINT U" flew to them with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead of concentrated action .... I myself was not a witness, but uncles authoritative in narrow circles shared))) we will definitely find one more ....
  • morpogr
    morpogr 12 December 2013 08: 17
    12
    Starting January 1, enter entry only for international passports for all violating the law, the ban on entry for life, work only on an employment visa, an invitation from the employer with a guarantee that the migrant will go home at the end of the work, barring Russians from being able to call their relatives. First of all, it is possible for residents of single-industry towns to provide housing and all social benefits of medical insurance to bring their families, kindergartens, schools for children.It must be started yesterday, everyone who does not have a patent for work or is illegally working illegally immediately deported with a ban on entry.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 08: 21
      16
      Quote: morpogr
      From January 1, enter entry only for international passports for all violating the law, the ban on entry for life, work only on a work visa invitation from the employer with a guarantee that upon completion of work the migrant will go home

      Try to explain it to the deputies. They will only support you. When a hundred and another thousand Russian people go outside and drive Caucasians in one of the cities of Russia for a couple of days, then they will sing in front of the cameras during nightingales, but then everything will calm down and they will forget that They said. An example was not long ago.
      1. understudy
        understudy 12 December 2013 10: 33
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Try to explain it to deputies.


        "Do you want me to use public transport and endanger my life ?!"
        Olga Khitrova, a deputy from the "United Russia" of the Yaroslavl Regional Duma, on the question of canceling official cars for deputies and officials.

        Explain to these deputies? belay
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 14: 30
          +2
          Quote: Understudy
          "Do you want me to use public transport and endanger my life ?!"

          She’s a beggar of you, she probably doesn’t have her own car. I haven’t seen deputies in our country who don’t have their own cars. Let her ride her own car. And if he pisses on a bus, he takes a taxi.
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    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 December 2013 08: 40
      20
      Quote: morpogr
      Starting January 1, enter only passports

      Sorry, dear ... entry on passports will not solve the problem. They rode like herds and will go, and then we will catch illegal immigrants and figure out who is who.
      Here you need to act from the position of "knowingly guilty" and not let them into the country on my word of honor: "I will not be illegal, I promise to leave in a week, just let the Kremlin take a look."
      We need a strict visa regime, set visa prices higher and limit the number of visas, plus we need to develop strict and clear migration and labor laws (in the best traditions of developed countries) and the amount of foreign, hired force to be rigidly quoted.
      If you don’t take drastic measures, the situation will not budge, we’ll continue to beat around the bush.
      A visa-free entry, according to passports, as a rule, operates between trustworthy countries that are interested in close cooperation with each other. For example, Finland wants to abolish visas for Russians (a simplified visa regime is already in place), because Russians are very active in vacationing in Finland and bring decent income to the Finnish treasury (because they are solvent). Here, in this case, entry through a passport is acceptable, but for example, there should not be a visa-free regime between Russia and Tajikistan / Uzbekistan / Kyrgyzstan, because Tajiks / Uzbeks do not travel to Russia with tourists and do not bring us their money, and in 99% of cases they they are visiting migrant workers or drug couriers. So you need to be tough with them.
    3. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 12 December 2013 10: 22
      +6
      No foreign passports will solve this problem. This measure will only hit ordinary workers from Central Asia, who are already in the position of slaves, and those who organize such "protest actions", Caucasians, will not be affected. They are citizens of Russia. They just want to use Central Asians for their dirty purposes. Those who have no brains as a result of the general degradation of the population after the collapse of the USSR, the so-called by their own compatriots, kishlak bulls, feeling their powerlessness, enduring humiliation from the Russian "exploiters", indeed, considering the Russians to be guilty of all their troubles, will unquestioningly go for them like bio-robots. Those who are older, more educated (many come here with higher education to earn money), will not go smarter. Although there are fewer of them, of course.
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 12 December 2013 08: 18
    14
    Let them hold rallies against Islamofascism in Makhachkala. Here are the latest news from the provinces of Russia:

    Mass brawl in Belousovo: 40 Russians and Caucasians, silence of the federal media (video)

    In the village of Belousovo, Tomsk Region, there was a mass brawl between locals and Caucasians. In total, approximately 40 people participated, while the Gornorussians tried to recreate the live ancient computer game Carmageddon. Details - in a rather informative report of local television, look, it's colorful here:

    It goes without saying that they are trying to reduce the matter to a "domestic conflict" (a settled-plain life against a mountain raiding, so to speak), they are putting pressure on local residents ("They didn’t kill anyone, why are you outraged!"), They are trying to sweep under the carpet. In this connection, we have a big request to all the journalists of federal and regional publications reading us (and there are several dozen of you at least): friends, if 40 Russians and Caucasians fought in the hero-city of Moscow, and Caucasians would then chase the Russians along Tverskaya on cars with the intention of crushing, it would be the theme of the day and a giant scandal up to the pogroms. But since the fight took place in a remote village, the local authorities are now trying to release these "chronicles of the Wild West" on the brakes (especially since Putin signed the law on the responsibility of local authorities for ethnic conflicts).

    We believe that if you are really the media, then you should cover this glaring case and draw maximum attention to it so that law and order will return to the Russian province, and not this Caucasian version of Mad Max. Now it’s all at the local level, without the attention of the federal media, although the appearance in the countryside of natural punitive Caucasian convoys is an emergency on a federal scale, here special forces with helicopter support must be called on.
    We hope that the journalists reading us will help not to stall this case, because the alternative to the search for justice, especially in the provinces, is known which one - see the hero city of Kondopoga.
    http://sputnikipogrom.com/politics/7158/belousovo/
    1. APES
      APES 12 December 2013 14: 05
      +5
      Quote: Warrawar
      Here are the latest news.



      I have no words:

      There was only one question left: how soon and where will the new Kondapoga, Biryulyovo, Arzamas break out, where next time and how much?

      Every year, cases become more frequent - thanks to TV (and party politics), people are shown the only way out - a popular gathering with the only demand - to EX evict !!!
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  • saag
    saag 12 December 2013 08: 22
    0
    "In the capital of Russia they are planning to repeat the Makhachkala rally on a large scale."
    Maidan.ru detected
  • Rus86
    Rus86 12 December 2013 08: 22
    0
    I read a book, science fiction, but still. Suren Tsemoduryan. writes excitingly, without vulgarity. there is such an outcome, the world died in an atomic fire. people survived. But even when they were left a little more than a little bit, cut each other be healthy. often based on ethnicity. watching news, reading, scary. scared that I do not know where to get the machine. something like this. sadston is all that.
    1. tolan_petrovich
      tolan_petrovich 12 December 2013 08: 46
      +2
      I agree with you. You read, SEE, ofig .. you, and the question about the machine itself pops up in my head !!!
    2. Goodmen
      Goodmen 12 December 2013 10: 17
      +4
      "I don't know where to get a machine gun" ... in a shop with a hunting ticket ... Saiga, although not a machine gun in the form in which it should be, but enough for a start ... if God forbid it starts ...
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 12 December 2013 12: 16
        0
        exactly. I work in this direction. the reality is better
  • Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 12 December 2013 08: 22
    14
    Damn against Russian fascism decided to protest. And who saw him this mythical Russian fascism ??? What kind of beast is this ??? I've never heard in my whole life from ... mmm ... visitors from the former republics that they were guilty of some kind of conflict, no, to listen to them so the Russians always come first to them. Although I saw something completely different, the fact that the newcomer population jumps on the indigenous, yes, it was often noticed.
    1. Orik
      Orik 12 December 2013 09: 35
      +6
      So they always whine when they tell them in the face.
    2. Normal
      Normal 12 December 2013 09: 52
      13
      Quote: Maximus-22
      ... And who saw him this mythical Russian fascism ??? What kind of beast is this ???


      Well then, who? Not a few commentators see him, It is here! ON IN!
      Examples above the roof:
      smile

      .... on our swamp Natsik....

      .... I never pass by such statements of the brainless fascists any nation, including the Russian ....

      .... on the Swamp fascists and homosexual .....

      .... were in the swampfascists and buggers ....

      .... for people like you, liberals, fascists and homosexual ....


      Look how many "Fascists" I have dug at smile, and all the Russians.
      Could have Alexander Romanov and Ruslana67 and many other respected members of the forum, especially from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, dig, but lazy.
      And you say "WHO?" Yes, we ourselves! In any case, not a small part of us.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 December 2013 10: 29
        11
        Quote: Normal
        And you say "WHO?" Yes, we ourselves! In any case, not a small part of us.

        But what can I say - the Russians are the "people-Hitler" and they very much interfere with living in "this" country, the wonderful "Tozherosians" from the Caucasus mountains and distinguished guests from "geopolitically important" Central Asia.
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 12 December 2013 08: 24
    10
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The immorality and unprincipledness of power is what causes ethnic tension. Arouses hatred between nations.

    But not only this, but also the fact that the migration policy (come who hosh) and they go and do not want to accept our rules of life, but they download their own and this is when the thread ends very badly. Remember France, it has been sausage for a long time. My opinion is enough, we already have enough of them and the official data on migrants needs to be multiplied. For the rest, I agree with you. hi
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 December 2013 08: 49
      15
      Quote: Kolyan 2
      Remember France, it has been sausage for a long time

      Yes, you are right, France is the best example of the inadmissibility of migration, of Asian peoples. to a European country.
      Only in our country the situation is much worse, because in France "democracy" and the people have the right to decide their own destiny. Thus, the French will vote for the Nationalist Party (Marine Le Pen), who will come to power and kick out the shobla that has come in large numbers in the ass.
      And we have authoritarianism and a kind grandfather Putin, who sweetly talks on TV screens about "multinationality and spiritual bonds", and between times brings millions and millions of new migrants into the country who openly hate us.
      1. little man
        little man 12 December 2013 10: 58
        +2
        Already not thrown out. Point of no return passed. The French are in the minority.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 12 December 2013 11: 02
          +4
          Quote: man
          Already not thrown out. Point of no return passed. The French are in the minority.

          No, not in the minority. Moreover, according to the regional elections, nationalists are leading. And in all likelihood, in the parliamentary elections, the majority will be nationalists.
          By the way, in Norway the people have already voted for the nationalists and all the key posts have been taken by the "ultra right". But this, again, is the news of enlightened Europe, and this does not concern us ...
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 12 December 2013 08: 25
    +2

    The only true way is a qualitative leap of Russia itself into the future. It should become an example for the whole world, like Stalin’s Soviet Union. And continue your civilizing mission.

    A jerk into the future for 200 years will soon occur geophysically for the whole Earth, and Russia can only become an example of conscious entry into this process, explaining what is happening to people.
    The sphere of the future is already visible (force field)
    http://esoreiter.ru/index.php?id=1213/strannyj_gigantskij_obekt_vnov_pojavljaets
    ja_na_izobrazhenijah_nasa.htm & dat = news & list = 12.2013
    the rest is http://sinteh.info/?cat=20 you have to overcome zombies in the interests of the invaders and just strive for your goals.
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 12 December 2013 10: 28
      +3
      This is Absolute Evil !!! as in the "fifth element" wassat
      Lilu (Jovovich) needs to search soon ... and drag her to Egypt !!! wassat
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 12 December 2013 13: 56
        +2
        Putin (albeit rubber) an hour ago said that evil and good are equivalent - it's just a shadow of the future with a set of everything.
        Evil lives here ...
        1. Rus86
          Rus86 12 December 2013 14: 42
          0
          Tell me, what is in the photo?
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 12 December 2013 16: 59
            +3
            Actually, this is the building of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Now I do not know what is called in connection with the reforms. In my opinion, there are more specific and explicit places where evil lives in Russia and Moscow.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 12 December 2013 08: 26
    +2
    the author outlined the situation but did not understand where the solution is. Words about a jerk are just a visiting stamp. What to do then?
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 12 December 2013 09: 29
      +1
      Ark build.
    2. strel212
      strel212 12 December 2013 09: 36
      +1
      Stop being silent, stop doing nothing at all, engage in yourself, carry your knowledge to the people, through various platforms on the internet, at least. The social networks are full of Caucasian public, where they scold RUSSIAN, to convince them, showing everyone who are RUSSIAN. After all, someone also tells them about us, how bad we are ....
      1. Normal
        Normal 12 December 2013 10: 08
        16
        Quote: ed65b
        What to do then?

        Quote: strel212
        Stop being silent, stop doing nothing at all,

        Arm.
        Make acquaintances, contacts and good relations in the nearest police station. I understand that, police are often not good people. But a better friend is not a good person than not a friend.
        Have acquaintances among young people and neighbors. Know their phones and give your phone number to them. Going out on a call to help regardless of the time of day or weather.
        Do not stand aside when Caucasians beat a crowd of one or two Russians. Without talking, beat in the back of the head without bothering with questions of honor and moral principles. In general, do not talk with scumbags, but act. Suddenly and decisively.
        Always have an injury, a knife, a pepper spray.

        TIME TO BE HARD
        1. operator35
          operator35 13 December 2013 03: 58
          +3
          just have it all a little, you need to be able to use it ....
  • rereture
    rereture 12 December 2013 08: 27
    12
    Here is the power of tolerance.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 December 2013 09: 00
      +7
      Quote: rereture
      Here is the power of tolerance.

      Got game, but not enough. I think in the future there will be the introduction of gay marriage and gay parades.
      1. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 12 December 2013 12: 10
        +2
        ... will be the introduction of gay marriage and gay parades ...- among Caucasians and immigrants from Central Asia. wink
    2. UzRus
      UzRus 12 December 2013 10: 26
      +3
      Not yet played out, you can fix it, before it's too late. Need political will. Many have already written about this above. If they continue in the same spirit, then they will definitely finish the game.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 December 2013 11: 06
        +8
        Quote: UzRus
        Not yet played out, you can fix it, before it's too late. Need political will.

        You see, there is no politics in Russia ... we have authoritarianism and the good grandfather Putin is in charge of everything.
        For the manifestation of "political will", national capital and political parties are needed that will promote the demanded ideas, but in Russia all politics is strangled to the core, there are only Putin and EDRO and several puppet parties.
        So, the only way to show "political will" is to start mass pogroms.
        1. UzRus
          UzRus 12 December 2013 17: 24
          +1
          Well, if everything is so bad with political will, then you really need to start mass pogroms, alas ...
  • askort154
    askort154 12 December 2013 08: 34
    +8
    If such a slurred national policy continues as it is now, serious problems cannot be avoided. The more the government departs from a radical solution to this issue, the more it escalates. A filament for a time bomb has already been created. In Soviet times, such a question did not arise. Why the current government shouldn’t use what has already been gained. Liberal games will bring to their blood the very citizens of Russia. It seems that the authorities stupidly pursue one goal -
    to offend "guests", and their own will suffer, not thinking that any patience comes to an end.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 12 December 2013 08: 36
    17
    A rally in Moscow of the Caucasians ... well, what is it possible, but only towards their geographical homeland:
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 December 2013 12: 39
      +4
      A small remark of the historical fact, after the passage of the captured Germans across Moscow, then the streets were cleaned by watering machines, because our compassionate citizens managed to feed the going prisoners, those stomachs could not cope with such "joy" in the end, many simply talked ... on the way to ....
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 12 December 2013 08: 37
    +5
    We are waiting for the landing of the restrained idiots, again a bucket is raised by those who do not work.
  • makarov
    makarov 12 December 2013 08: 37
    11
    If something happens, look at the root - who benefits
  • demotivator
    demotivator 12 December 2013 08: 46
    10
    The geography of ethnic conflicts, which our authorities so dislike to mention, has now been replenished with Siberia. In the village of Belousovo, Tomsk Region, there was a mass brawl between locals and Caucasians. A total of approximately 40 people participated. It goes without saying that they are trying to reduce the matter to a "domestic conflict." So to speak, settled-flat life rebelled against the mountain-raid, they put pressure on local residents ("They didn’t kill anyone, why are you outraged!"), They are trying to sweep the rubbish under the carpet. If 40 Russians and Caucasians fought in the hero-city of Moscow, and Caucasians would then chase the Russians on Tverskaya in cars with the intention of crushing them, this would be the theme of the day and a gigantic scandal right up to the pogroms. But since the fight took place in a remote village, the local authorities are now trying to release these "chronicles of the Wild West" on the brakes, especially since Putin recently signed a law on the responsibility of local authorities for ethnic conflicts.
    http://www.rosbalt.ru/federal/2013/12/10/1209706.html
  • tomas.09
    tomas.09 12 December 2013 08: 46
    20
    They are unhappy with the obstacles in building mosques, the arrest of Muslim leaders, the prohibitions on wearing hijabs in schools, the tightening of migration policies and the mythical revelry of “Russian fascism”
    Fuck me, they teach me to live in my country !!! Why they do not have enough mosques in their countries, let them teach children in their homeland.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 12 December 2013 08: 49
    +8
    Specially muddied, so that Russia would not help Ukraine with the Maydanuts to fight. It hurts all one after another. There are no such coincidences. As the turtle said to the panda, "accidents are not accidental." 5 column in action.
  • Normal
    Normal 12 December 2013 08: 55
    17
    ... And who exactly is Abakar Abakarov, and what the hell did he suddenly feel the urge to fight with Caucasian phobia? We answer: Abakar Abakarov is a holy and kind person. who has already held a demo version of a Moscow rally in Makhachkala:

    sputnikipogrom.com/politics/7123/say-no-to-kavkazophobia/

    Pay attention to the baseball cap of this Abrakdabr Abrakadabrov.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 34
      +5
      For one poster from the left, where the names are written, this **** Russian should be torn to pieces.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 12 December 2013 11: 26
        0
        And the identity of this GAY has been established, otherwise it really reminds one artist? And the action itself is a performance.
        1. Normal
          Normal 12 December 2013 11: 58
          +1
          Quote: Dimy4
          Does it really remind one artist?

          And they are all artists there. One such artist is still hiding in the UK. Akhmed Zakayev's name.
    2. calocha
      calocha 12 December 2013 12: 47
      +5
      Him and those who hold posters on the bunks !!!
      1. Normal
        Normal 12 December 2013 12: 56
        +4
        Quote: calocha
        Him and those who hold posters on the bunks !!!

        And for the inscription on the baseball cap - UNDER the bunk!
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    4. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 12 December 2013 21: 28
      +5
      "Russian fascism" in all its "terry" color ...
  • demel2
    demel2 12 December 2013 08: 55
    13
    As long as you wait for the rational actions of our government, you need to have your own small arsenal. There is no other way.
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 12 December 2013 09: 05
      +6
      Already have an arsenal !!!
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      2. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 12 December 2013 23: 56
        +3
        Quote: tomas.09
        Already have an arsenal !!!

        I personally have such a "gentleman's set" soldier
        1. Farik
          Farik 13 December 2013 00: 13
          +5
          I have more modest, as they say "cheap and cheerful" !!! But if that does not seem a little am
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          2. operator35
            operator35 13 December 2013 04: 09
            0
            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/656/pndo330.jpg
            WHAT IS))))
            1. ramzes1776
              ramzes1776 13 December 2013 08: 39
              +2
              Quote: operator35
              WHAT IS))))

              YOUR TROUBLE !!! laughing good good good
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 December 2013 09: 00
    +7
    The Saudi prince frequented something for us .. and then they began to threaten with rallies everything is interconnected .. Now mass sweeps of markets will begin and at the same time to press criminal ethnic groups .. (they will lose a lot of money) they will disperse these protesters themselves! bully
  • shurup
    shurup 12 December 2013 09: 02
    +8
    Following the example of the United States, half a million plastic coffins should be stocked and filtration camps prepared. At the headquarters, I hope, a quick operation plan is already ready.
  • DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 12 December 2013 09: 03
    27
    Another sucking people, but this time, Caucasians. Nobody needs and useless provocation, which will only aggravate the internal situation in Russia.
    I urge Caucasians not to go to this rally, the screenwriters of which, in fact, spat on both the Caucasus and Russia as a whole.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 12 December 2013 09: 35
      +5
      I am glad that you assess it this way. On my own I note that we Russians should not "vibrate" so much about this event. This rally, whoever organized it, is a test for "lice" for everyone .. You must come to hear criticism, make conclusions, to see who came to speak on behalf of their nations. For them, this is also a test, how they will show themselves and I will relate to their peoples.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 December 2013 10: 08
      +6
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      Nobody needed and useless provocation

      Someone still needs it very much.
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      the screenwriters of which, in fact, spat on both the Caucasus and Russia as a whole.

      And here you are very right. hi
      1. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 12 December 2013 10: 47
        +5
        Hi Ingvar 72! Overseas "friends" will do anything to destabilize us as much as possible, and then, for example, sarcastically say: "ffu ... you have a mess there ... we are not going to your Olympics ..." Well, do not forgive we just like that, all our efforts aimed at preventing the 3rd World ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 12 December 2013 11: 04
          +4
          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          Hi Ingvar 72

          Hello Magician. hi We understood each other correctly. Now there is a massive attack on Russia, including through Ukraine. Do not be surprised if more ACCIDENTALLY oil prices will fall. drinks
    3. amigo1969
      amigo1969 12 December 2013 10: 32
      +8
      ... I am glad that there are still thinking and reasonable people in the Caucasus. Maybe not all is lost?
  • Hort
    Hort 12 December 2013 09: 05
    18
    Representatives of the Central Asian communities also spoke about possible street actions. On December 3, the chairman of the Union of Tajik Youth in Russia, Izzat Aman, in an interview with one of the Muslim sites, said that “rampant fascism in Russia” could bring migrants to the blast. The reason for the protests may be problems with wages. Only in the Russian capital 500 thousand Tajiks, and in Russia their 2 million people "will not find it enough". A resident of the former fraternal republic is virtually threatened. I remember a few years ago we were told that they come to Russia only to work. Earlier, Aman told the press that his organization with its headquarters in Moscow numbers 6 thousands in its ranks.
    oh, the basmachi decided to raise their heads? But nothing that non-citizens, in principle, have no right to demand anything there in the political sense, because are in another state?
    In fact, he threatens ... To whom, his Tajiks?

    And yet, here they are all shouting - "Russian fascism, Russian fascism!" What is this? And have they not pondered the old adage that thoughts materialize? After all, if you repeat the same thing many times, the Russians may seriously think: "and not show us REAL Russian fascism ?!" After all, our people are creative - they want to create, they want - they get up laughing So everything will hurt right away.

    Well, I can not help but note that if such rallies are allowed by the authorities, and even at Manezhnaya, this will only increase the bitterness of the population
    1. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 17 December 2013 20: 12
      0
      That's how long the program for the return of Russians to Russia went at random ... and so it really didn't come to anything ... Or maybe it could be made easier?!? Collect these Asians in a herd and exchange? To return them their "good" to their rulers hai themselves cheat with them.
  • Aydin
    Aydin 12 December 2013 09: 06
    -20 qualifying.
    Russian comrades, do you really not understand nationalism will lead to a split in Russia and all this happens according to the scenario of America and Israel. And as for labor migrants, this is an inevitable process. Look at the France national football team
    1. rereture
      rereture 12 December 2013 09: 18
      +4
      As you say, it is in one form or another, now it’s just a struggle for life. Either we or they.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2013 09: 35
      +7
      Quote: Aydin
      Russian comrades, do you really not understand nationalism will lead to a split in Russia

      We’ll figure it out without representatives of the European Union.
    3. Hort
      Hort 12 December 2013 09: 54
      15
      non-Russian comrades, do you really not understand that non-observance of the laws of the host country and aggression against the local population is precisely what causes the rise of nationalism. As for the split, there will be none. There will be just riots and pogroms throughout the country, which will end far not in favor of the "guests"
    4. kare
      kare 12 December 2013 10: 09
      +6
      Ever wondered what the Byzantine Empire collapsed from?
      One of the decisive factors is that the Gentiles arriving over time ceased to live according to the laws of the empire, creating their diasporas. Since then, nothing has changed
    5. UzRus
      UzRus 12 December 2013 10: 23
      +5
      Aydin, well you compared a pancake! Football team and several million gaster!
    6. holderrr
      holderrr 12 December 2013 19: 25
      +2
      I don’t want to look at the French team. I stopped watching the domestic championship of Russia on football. Due to the fact that the clubs are few Russians. I am not a fan of the kazakaz wrestlers and black football players. I am white and I, in my country, do not need multi-colored.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 12 December 2013 19: 55
        -3
        white suggest color cut? to expel, where? let them go with the ground? reservation? or what other options? very interesting.
        1. holderrr
          holderrr 12 December 2013 20: 27
          +3
          Let them sit and work at home. Zhirik is right, you can’t feed, don’t give birth.
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      3. Clegg
        Clegg 12 December 2013 20: 56
        -3
        Quote: holderrr
        I don’t want to look at the French team.

        Kstati, moi favorite.

        Quote: holderrr
        I am white and I, in my country, do not need multi-colored.

        Teper 'otdeli territorii jeltyh (Tatarstan, Bashqurtstan, Saha, Chuvashiya) i "chernyh" (kotorye na samom dele bolee belye chem russkie) (Chechnya, Dagestan, Cherkessiya. Ingushetiya).
        budu aplodirovat 'stoya good
      4. Clegg
        Clegg 12 December 2013 20: 59
        -3
        Hollderrr

        Esli tebe ne nravyatsya chernye, pochemu u tebya na avatare Tyson?

        Ty je white)))))
    7. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 12 December 2013 20: 33
      +7
      Aydin, my favorite bard Timur Sultanovich Shaov (by the way, is a Circassian by nationality) wrote a wonderful song "Football suffering", find, download, listen and you will not regret it! According to his text: "We can fight in chess or even in small towns! But football is not necessary, brothers! Do not disgrace yourself, men!" My comment on the picture you mentioned was deleted by "well-wishers", although in translation into Russian there was only "BEAUTIFUL FRANCE".
      Judging by the picture, you are Kyrgyz and should remember the slogans of the Central Asians "Russians go to Ryazan, Tatars go to Kazan." Who launched them into circulation? Are Americans and Jews again?
      It's just that the people on this forum are trying to reach out to those in power: That's it, gentlemen! Edge !! The patience of the people is running out. A.S. Pushkin's epigraph to "The Captain's Daughter" the rulers either forgot or did not know.
    8. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 17 December 2013 20: 15
      0
      "comrades" are not Russian as you already got ...
      Do not climb with your charter into a strange monastery. In all the Central Asian republics you can’t figure out your shit - and advise them there.
  • Aydin
    Aydin 12 December 2013 09: 09
    -4
    And what is happening now is the division of the sphere of influence of large groups, nationalists are weapons in their hands, and stupid
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 12 December 2013 11: 19
      11
      And who is arguing? Politics around. Jackals sharpen teeth on Russia.
      And as for nationalism - what's wrong with the awareness of belonging to a certain nation with its own history and culture? What is wrong with the desire to live and work on your land in a society with the same mentality and spiritual values? What is wrong with denying a lot of guests about the above? What's wrong with wanting to save the Great Country? What's wrong with the rejection of the desire for free profit at the expense of the indigenous population on the part of some "small nations"?
      I understand that this is not Russian for the Russians ...
      Everything else is possible, but not Russian.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 December 2013 12: 01
        +3
        Quote: Goodmen
        And as for nationalism - what's wrong with the awareness of belonging to a certain nation with its own history and culture? What is wrong with the desire to live and work on your land in a society with the same mentality and spiritual values? What is wrong with denying a lot of guests about the above? What's wrong with wanting to save the Great Country? What's wrong with the rejection of the desire for free profit at the expense of the indigenous population on the part of some "small nations"?
        I understand that this is not Russian for the Russians ...
        Everything else is possible, but not Russian.

        So the ideas that "Russian nationalism will destroy Russia" are promoted by those who do not need all this - that is, the enemies of Russia, but are replicated by thoughtless fools suffering from leavened jingoistic patriotism.

        In general, their ideas can be expressed by the slogan "Let's save Russia from the Russians".
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 12 December 2013 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: Aydin
      And what is happening now is the division of the sphere of influence of large groups

      How right you are! Today, a group that has the Fed, with the help of its members: the EU and Wahhabis, is trying to share the sphere of influence with a large group of Russia and the rest of the world)).
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 12 December 2013 13: 12
      -1
      Aydin on the profile picture you have a Kyrgyz flag, why is the EU flag next to your name broadcasting from Europe or hoping to get there?
      1. holderrr
        holderrr 12 December 2013 19: 29
        +1
        Kyrgyz tse Europe!
    4. holderrr
      holderrr 12 December 2013 19: 28
      +2
      Are you smart, yes, smart? Why insult people? Mendeleev, Stolypin, Lomonosov, Ilyin and many other famous Russians were nationalists. Do not!!! The history of the Great Empire must be known, and then clever.
  • Sasha Major
    Sasha Major 12 December 2013 09: 10
    +6
    Let go out rally !!! Immerse the 76th Airborne Division from Pskov on board and in Moscow !!!! and see what the outcome of the confrontation will be.
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 12 December 2013 11: 23
      +8
      and then deploy it to the Kremlin))))) soldier
  • LSV
    LSV 12 December 2013 09: 12
    12
    "Representatives of Central Asian communities also started talking about possible street actions. On December 3, the chairman of the Union of Tajik Youth in Russia, Izzat Aman, said in an interview with one of the Muslim websites that" the rampant fascism in Russia "could lead migrants to an explosion. Problems could also be a reason for protests. In the Russian capital alone there are 500 thousand Tajiks, and in Russia there are 2 million people, “it will not seem a little.” A resident of the former fraternal republic actually threatens. I remember a few years ago we were told that they only come to Russia Earlier, Aman told the press that his organization, headquartered in Moscow, has 6 thousand people in its ranks. "

    Let's go ... to my home, let Rakhmon talk about salary problems.
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  • strel212
    strel212 12 December 2013 09: 13
    17
    It is good that they rally, it will unite the RUSSIAN NATION, let them go. They are simply overwhelmed, they feel like they are masters, they feel that they can do anything .... But that is not so ... There will be a BIG RUSSIAN RIOT .... And everything that has been accumulated in the soul of RUSSIAN PEOPLE will pour out ..... And not a little has been accumulated ....
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 12 December 2013 11: 33
      +5
      there will be no Big ... life ... they won’t give ... Asia-Caucasus is now their weapon to deter an adequate population of the country (I’m not only about Russians, if that) !!!
      As long as their lives ... they are enriching themselves gradually breaking down the pillars of the empire ... as they get drunk to the belly - the empire should collapse according to their plans ...
      Only in the history of the Russian Empire the approval of all kinds of enemies "And we are a horde!" there was always an unambiguous answer - "FUCK !!!" )))
      So the good old stuff: "Beat zhi..ov - save Russia!" relevant and still ...
  • Horn
    Horn 12 December 2013 09: 14