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Georgia goes to the defense. The military will exchange tanks and helicopters for defense systems

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The Georgian Ministry of Defense is planning to sell heavy military equipment, including Tanks T-55 and T-72, as well as Mi-8 helicopters, to purchase Western-style anti-tank systems. According to Georgian experts, this is due to a change in the country's defense concept and a rise in the cost of servicing military equipment.


The latest statements by high-ranking Georgian politicians and, above all, Minister of Defense Irakli Alasania testify to the Georgian leadership’s plans to adjust priorities in the military field. Thus, the official document of the military department “Minister’s Vision for 2013 Year”, published on the ministry’s website, emphasizes the need to “develop mobile defense systems and equip the army” with the latest anti-tank systems. weapons"Irakli Alasania expressed the same idea during the ceremony of sending ISAF Georgian troops to Afghanistan. And the head of the Parliamentary Committee on Defense and Security Irakly Sesiashvili recently said in an interview to the first Georgian television channel that henceforth" the priority will be to equip the army with defensive weapons. "

Irakli Aladashvili, a leading Georgian expert in the military field, editor-in-chief of the independent military-analytical publication Arsenali, told Kommersant that tanks and other heavy weapons "are no longer suitable in new conditions." “The idea is that since Georgia is not going to attack anyone, anti-tank systems are more necessary than tanks,” said Mr. Aladashvili. In addition, according to him, the maintenance of tanks and helicopters, including their repair in Ukraine (where Georgian equipment was traditionally purchased and repaired), is becoming more and more expensive.

According to the expert, "for the money raised from the sale of Soviet-style tanks and helicopters, it is planned to purchase modern anti-tank and anti-aircraft systems." The Kommersant interlocutor recalled that in 2007-2008 "the purchase of heavy military equipment was a priority, about $ 1,5 billion was spent for these purposes, but the 2008 war of the year showed that when the enemy was Russia, tanks were in service and their number was already unimportant. "

In unofficial conversations, Georgian Defense Ministry officials say that "despite pressure from the Russian Federation on countries capable of selling modern weapons to Tbilisi," this barrier has recently been overcome and many states are willing to cooperate with Georgia in the military-technical sphere - if we are talking about purchasing defensive systems. “Tanks of the Soviet type can be sold in Africa, and with the money raised you can buy Western-made systems,” explained Irakli Aladashvili’s scheme for future deals.

The number of tanks remaining in service with the Georgian army is kept secret. It is only known that during the five-day war 2008 of the year, the Russian military captured about half (according to other sources, two thirds) of all tanks that are in service with the Georgian army as trophies.
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  1. klimpopov
    klimpopov 11 December 2013 11: 08
    30
    But what for the army in general?
    Let the choir sing better and grill kebabs.
    Police enough IMHO
    1. A.YARY
      A.YARY 11 December 2013 11: 14
      +5
      From ancient times they were not able to fight, even when they turned to Catherine II and she gave them a Russian detachment — they just stood and watched the Russians fight for them!
      1. GDP
        GDP 11 December 2013 11: 37
        19
        This is not entirely true - Georgian militias and princely squads gathered, but the level of their equipment and training was extremely unsatisfactory, in fact, at the level of the Middle Ages.
        Therefore, the main combat-ready force was a few, but well-armed and trained Russian regiments, which of course worked wonders there. Read Potto A.V. "Caucasian war" you learn about such exploits of our soldiers in the Caucasus that you will be simply amazed.
        Together with the Georgians we fought against common enemies in the Middle Ages, although even then there was not much help from them, although their army was numerically superior to ours ...
        Those Georgians who were brought up on the territory of the Russian Empire directly made a great contribution to the development of the defense capability of our country, to take at least the very Bagration, a man of exceptional courage and a talented military commander, a student of Suvorov.
        Or, for example, Tsitsianov, the Georgian prince born and raised in Moscow, by force of arms and diplomacy joined the Russian Empire many territories in the North Caucasus.
      2. Algor73
        Algor73 11 December 2013 12: 04
        18
        Georgians are not bad warriors; heroism cannot be taken away from them (90 Heroes of the Soviet Union). This was shown by the battles of the Second World War. And he himself served with them. I can’t say anything bad about them as people. But the fact that in 2008 they did not do their best (which is very positive for Russia) is primarily the country's leadership, the lack of organization (or the wrong model) of the educational process, the lack of propaganda, Western military advisers, etc. d. Or maybe in order to feel like Georgians, they need to be not among the Georgians? And among theirs, are they like a herd? IMHO.
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 11 December 2013 14: 25
          +3
          Before the war, in the Manturovsky district of the Kursk region there were thirty thousand people of them - 8 heroes of the Soviet Union ...
        2. Cherdak
          Cherdak 11 December 2013 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: Algor73
          But the fact that in 2008 they did not show their best side


          In just a few years and five billion dollars, Mikheil Saakashvili managed to create a 30-strong army, which was specially trained by American instructors to combat the separatist regimes.

          The Georgian army, which was almost fully deployed to South Ossetia, consisted of four infantry brigades (the 1st Georgian infantry brigade was in Iraq at the time the war began). The most important component of the armed forces was the artillery brigade. Separate infantry and tank battalions, a number of special units also took part in the operation. The army was balanced for the tasks that it had to solve. Georgians had significant superiority in military equipment. The backbone is 210 modernized T-72 tanks. The artillery brigade included 44 self-propelled howitzers, including heavy 203 mm Peonies, highly mobile Czech 152 mm Danes, powerful Soviet Acacias of the same caliber, as well as 42 multiple launch rocket systems, mainly BM- 21 "City". Georgian aviation had 10 modernized SU-25 attack aircraft, as well as several combat helicopters.

          Political considerations: desperate calls (with massive support from world media) for US intercession will take effect. Washington will raise its voice, Moscow will stop, and peace negotiations will begin in the new status quo, Georgia will be able to bargain favorably on the terms of the ceasefire.
          1. alone
            alone 11 December 2013 21: 50
            +3
            The Georgian Army was not fully deployed to the South Ossetia. Only one motorized rifle brigade reinforced with two tank battalions and a large number of internal troops with the Cobra participated in the offensive. As well as several artillery divisions and the MLRS division. The calculation was made that Russia would not interfere with this operations. yes and they could not go there with 4 brigades. 2 brigades out of 4 were still at the formation stage, and the first as you noticed was in Iraq. It was after the war that they decided to create another brigade, which is why there were 5 of them.
            1. Prishtina
              Prishtina 12 December 2013 00: 42
              +2
              Well, Duc if you haven't noticed that the RF Armed Forces .. The 58th Army of the Ground Forces fought for the first 2 days in fact 1 BTG, with the remnants of the MS, and "probably the OSN were present."

              so everything is exactly ... a battalion against a brigade. traditions are not broken wink
        3. Papakiko
          Papakiko 11 December 2013 17: 29
          +2
          Quote: Algor73
          so this is primarily the fault of the country's leadership

          Spurred on by "democratic friends" and false values.
          Quote: Algor73
          lack of propaganda

          This one was generally higher than the roof, even a tie gobbled up.
          Quote: Algor73
          Or maybe in order to feel like Georgians

          We must remember the story that in the majority of citizens it has made and abandoned the war, which is unnecessary to them, with the people to which they owe much.
          In about 20 years, the next conflict may happen, since nothing has changed in the sakartvelo.
          Soviet-style tanks can be sold in Africa, and with the money raised to buy Western-made systems, "Irakli Aladashvili explained. These words are all raisins.
          They signed an association with the EU and they will be fine and present someone too, in the case of chago.
          We are patient and getting ready.
          1. Algor73
            Algor73 11 December 2013 21: 00
            +3
            "Quote: Algor73
            lack of propaganda

            This one was generally above the roof, even ate a tie. "
            This is not propaganda. This is rage. But they did not have the most important thing - confidence in what they were doing right.
        4. zvereok
          zvereok 11 December 2013 22: 46
          +1
          Quote: Algor73
          disorganization (or wrong model) of the educational process


          The model is exactly the one, the most modern, NATO, one of the most efficient armies in the Caucasus, as our "partners" said, and so screwed up, with a handful of "rusty" (c) Russian tanks ...
        5. Horst78
          Horst78 12 December 2013 04: 14
          +1
          disorganization
          everything was in order with the organization (especially during the retreat laughing )
          lack of propaganda
          but propaganda was several times more than organized sad
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 11 December 2013 11: 15
      +3
      "developing mobile defense systems" and equipping the army with "the latest anti-tank weapons."


      partisan? that is, as I understand it, Georgians refuse territorial claims
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 11 December 2013 11: 23
        +6
        So where to go? Apparently, the insight came down that it’s much better to trade parsley and cilantro.

        The Balts will never get it, they consider their army "the most powerful in Eastern Europe" wassat
        1. GDP
          GDP 11 December 2013 11: 49
          +4
          It seems that the Baltic states even have a couple of tanks :)
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 11 December 2013 11: 52
            +5
            Yes, training. And one on the move to mine. But solariums are still yok.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 11 December 2013 14: 24
              +5
              Quote: klimpopov
              And one on the go to mine

              Klim hi ! Is this one of two? If this is the first, then it is scary to imagine which second ... laughing
    3. cosmos111
      cosmos111 11 December 2013 11: 21
      +8
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what for the army in general?
      Let the choir sing better and grill kebabs.


      This is an absolutely correct remark.
      What, the army of the Georgians, but don’t arm anyway, will run after abandoning all the weapons.
      Let them sing and dance better. laughing
    4. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 11 December 2013 11: 57
      +4
      Quote: klimpopov
      Let the choir sing better and grill kebabs.

      We change tanks and helicopters for submarine soldiers! Ate, sing and play!
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    6. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 11 December 2013 12: 00
      +5
      "Georgia is not going to attack anyone"
      Well, thank God! And then I lost my dream and stopped eating! laughing
    7. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 11 December 2013 13: 16
      +6
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what for the army in general?
      Let the choir sing better and grill kebabs.
      Police enough IMHO


  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 11: 09
    +8
    "Soviet-style tanks can be sold in Africa, and the proceeds can be used to buy Western-made systems," Irakli Aladashvili explained the scheme of future deals.
    As I understand it, tanks are sent to Syria to help democracy build Sharia.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 11 December 2013 11: 12
      +3
      Let them try. Let's see what happens.
    2. user
      user 11 December 2013 13: 21
      +2
      It is only known that during the five-day war of 2008, the Russian military captured about half (according to other sources, two-thirds) of all tanks in service with the Georgian army as trophies.

      Interestingly, but in numbers, how much?
      1. mvg
        mvg 11 December 2013 15: 36
        +3
        captured about 70 tanks
  3. smersh70
    smersh70 11 December 2013 11: 12
    10
    ... I've always defended the interests of Georgia .... but here Alasania went too far .... and will get the first fat minus bully better then switch to the Swiss army configuration system .... and buy Desna bikes wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 11: 33
      +7
      Quote: smersh70
      ..I have always defended the interests of Georgia.

      Well looking your flag wink You can be sure.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 11 December 2013 11: 41
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well looking your flag

        Danikak I can not remove it laughing even my friend DEN was extremely surprised)))))) by the way, but mind you ... Alexander, minus that article I put one bully
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 11: 43
          +2
          Quote: smersh70
          Danikak I can not remove it

          This is a gift from the US authorities. wink
          Quote: smersh70
          ) By the way, but mind you ... Alexander, minus that article I put one

          I see that everything is clear with a minus, but why do I put the pluses I don’t understand laughing
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 11 December 2013 11: 48
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            why the pros put I don’t understand

            exactly laughing . By the way, watch the live broadcast from the Maidan .. why the golden eagle can not cope .... smile
    2. BOB48
      BOB48 11 December 2013 11: 43
      +2
      there are good greats - "PENZA"!
  4. shinobi
    shinobi 11 December 2013 11: 14
    +2
    We got it.
  5. svp67
    svp67 11 December 2013 11: 15
    +1
    Words, words - when there will be specific contracts, then we’ll see, and intentions, all this is just - words ...
  6. Kolovrat77
    Kolovrat77 11 December 2013 11: 18
    +5
    Here's the word, if I were a Georgian, I would buy all kinds of mandalins, guitars, drums on the proceeds of the money, you can banjo for country music in the Georgian style, well, why do they need weapons? with whom should they fight? with aliens? they would live in peace, they would drink wine and raise children.
  7. 3935333
    3935333 11 December 2013 11: 18
    +3
    I think Alasania is not overdoing it ... without the support of heavy armored vehicles, the infantry are just partisans. The article is simply a DESA, or the Americans will deliver the tanks (to their bases).
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 11 December 2013 11: 24
      +3
      Yes, most likely they just don’t pull the content, that's all.
      1. avg
        avg 11 December 2013 12: 45
        +5
        Yes, most likely they just don’t pull the content, that's all.

        They were also lucky that two-thirds were taken by Russia for maintenance. yes
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 11 December 2013 22: 52
      0
      And that type of ATGM was craving - and you can blame it, no one will call this a shameful escape. Plus, and regret it - like against steel machines came out with bare hands. They stood as much as they could ...
  8. Check
    Check 11 December 2013 11: 20
    +5
    "About $ 1,5 billion was spent for these purposes, but the 2008 war showed that when the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is already insignificant."
    I can’t disagree. yes, and as one of the "east" battalion said (I could be wrong, if so, correct it))) "they don't have enough darling"))
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 11 December 2013 11: 27
      +1
      The check, correctly noted that the tanks against the Russian Army are to their own detriment, it seems that there is no need to fight with Armenia either, especially since it is in the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the Georgians have almost friendship with Azerbaijan. Turkey, in general, also will not fight in NATO, especially since the Georgians themselves are eager for NATO, I think there will be an army like the Baltic countries.
  9. andr327
    andr327 11 December 2013 11: 20
    +3
    yeah they’ll take and buy missile defense. The Americans will try. watch it. Not everything is clear
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 11 December 2013 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: andr327
      yeah they’ll take and buy missile defense. The Americans will try. watch it. Not everything is clear

      To buy a normal missile defense they will have to disarm altogether and stay without pants ... smile
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 11 December 2013 11: 38
        +4
        This missile defense was not just taken and bought; it was a whole system with its own infrastructure, which was tied into a whole complex. And to sell tanks in order to buy missile defense - you will excuse me.
        Imagine what is a modern missile defense (or rather a modern and EFFECTIVE missile defense system)? Imagine how much it costs, and to hell with them with money, this requires potential. Americans and Jews still cannot bring to mind and you Georgia ...

        yeah they’ll take and buy missile defense. The Americans will try. watch it. Not everything is clear

        If the American missile defense system is meant, it’s generally wassat
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 11 December 2013 23: 51
          0
          Quote: klimpopov
          And sell the tanks ...


          Yes, and there is no one to donate it to anyone who has money - they can take new, used and outdated Georgian tanks unless you drive them into some kind of African Papuan, but the Papuan usually does not have money - you need a loan. I want to look at this - Georgia is selling non-cash Georgia with a power, which the hell knows if this loan will be repaid at all. They can only sell their tanks for scrap.

          Americans and Jews still can’t bring to mind ..


          I can't say anything for the Yusovites - they themselves do not know what kind of missile defense system and with what coverage they need it - so they are slowing down, in the Pentagon they are carried away by sawing the dough, and the right hand does not know what the left is doing. And ours is almost ready, the tasks are intelligible, in contrast to the Yusov ones, and the territorial coverage is clearly marked. The "stick" and the third "Arrow" at the end of 2014-early 2015 will be delivered to the troops, and the missile defense system will be completely ready, all 4 echelons. But our situation is understandable, but why do Georgians need missile defense? From whom? Straight joke about the elusive Joe lol
    2. sergey72
      sergey72 11 December 2013 12: 32
      +2
      Quote: andr327
      yeah they will take and buy missile defense

      Missile defense against tanks ?! They will rather buy the advertised "spikes" and "jevlins" laughing , as well as other moore that looks cool .....
    3. alone
      alone 11 December 2013 21: 56
      0
      Quote: andr327
      yeah they’ll take and buy missile defense. The Americans will try. watch it. Not everything is clear


      Georgians will then have to give their entire annual budget for missile defense. Do you think missile defense is worth a penny?
    4. zvereok
      zvereok 11 December 2013 22: 56
      0
      We'll have to keep the missile defense as well, on Poklonnka - we’ll completely go broke with these neighbors.
  10. askort154
    askort154 11 December 2013 11: 21
    +5
    08.08.08 events showed that the Americans spent several billion in vain on arming Georgia in vain, because they are not fighters. The bet on Saakashvili is a complete fiasco. Now the Georgians are looking for finances only for defense. A good lesson for other lovers to bark at Russia.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 12 December 2013 00: 05
      0
      Quote: askort154
      08.08.08 events showed that the Americans spent several billion in vain on arming Georgia in vain, because they are not fighters. The bet on Saakashvili is a complete fiasco. Now the Georgians are looking for finances only for defense. A good lesson for other lovers to bark at Russia.


      Lovers of barking will always be found, but this is garbage - they can not be taken especially seriously, those who have real weight do not go down to barking. 08.08.08 was just an echo of a big undercover squabble for resources, the Georgians were banally leaked - it was a no brainer that they were being strained. The question of what will happen next, the stirring in the Arctic is gaining momentum - that's where, I think, we should take a closer look today. There are no "Georgians" there, all possible clashes will be forcedly direct, without "intermediaries" in the role of laying. And the level of danger of such a "game" is much higher there.
  11. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 December 2013 11: 43
    +5
    СAccording to these reports, realistic thoughts begin to prevail in the military policy of the Georgian leadership. So the war with Russia taught something.
  12. Azzi
    Azzi 11 December 2013 11: 43
    +1
    "The idea is that since Georgia is not going to attack anyone, anti-tank systems are more needed than tanks," said Mr Aladashvili.


    That is, before, there was another idea, which means it wasn’t figs to build an innocent sheep further.
  13. Black
    Black 11 December 2013 12: 03
    +2
    888 repulsed the desire to fight in principle. How much they told the world - DON'T BE A SLEEPING BEAR! (Especially when he is awake!) The result of the attempt is obvious: military methods will not solve the issue of territories. Georgia has taken a course on a different solution path - "soft power". Let's see how it turns out.
    As for the tanks ... Well ... we have them! And who else will save them, then, when the Turks of Adjara will need an additional cut?
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 11 December 2013 14: 36
      +2
      Adzharia, and so under the Turks ... I think in 5-7 years, the Georgians in the country will become less than the Turks and the attitude towards Russia will radically change ...
  14. Alex66
    Alex66 11 December 2013 12: 25
    +4
    We’ll sell tanks, buy grenade launchers, sell grenade launchers, buy automatic rifles, sell automatic rifles and buy slingshots ... Well, just like in a joke.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 11 December 2013 23: 02
      0
      Quote: Alex66
      We’ll sell tanks, buy grenade launchers, sell grenade launchers, buy automatic rifles, sell automatic rifles and buy slingshots ... Well, just like in a joke.


      Well, the Rodents initially did not need this, first of all they sold the US Suverinitet, after this step, what for puppets tanks, etc.? Let the overlord protect.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 12 December 2013 00: 21
        +1
        Quote: zvereok
        Well, the Rodents initially did not need this, first of all they sold the US Suverinitet, after this step, what for puppets tanks, etc.? Let the overlord protect.


        Yes, no one will protect them already, they have played their part and nobody needs them anymore. I personally got the impression that 888 was a consequence of the INNERIUSSKY sub-carpet showdowns. One camp started a pipe-oil-gas project, and a competing camp (which has an influence on the Pentagon) cleverly poured it into the wrong hands, inflated the foolish ambitions of Sykashvili, knowingly knowing that Russia would trick him with a stupid pumpkin. The Georgians pecked like coots, and did not understand - but what actually happened.
  15. ReifA
    ReifA 11 December 2013 12: 58
    +2
    For the money raised, it was better for the veteran of the Second World War that pensions were raised, children were taught friendship with the Russian people, than regular scarecrows to buy.
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 11 December 2013 15: 15
      +3
      Quote: ReifA
      For the money raised, the best veteran of the Second World War raised pensions,

      You would be better settled in Russia!
      1. sedoii
        sedoii 11 December 2013 16: 49
        +3
        And here in Siberia, veterans get well, I would like such a salary.
        1. alone
          alone 11 December 2013 21: 57
          +1
          Quote: sedoii
          And here in Siberia, veterans get well, I would like such a salary.


          This must first be earned. laughing
  16. Altona
    Altona 11 December 2013 13: 07
    +5
    but the 2008 war showed that when the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is no longer significant. "
    ______________________________________
    And someone is constantly complaining about a small disparity in the characteristics of aircraft and tanks ... WHEN AN ENEMY IS RUSSIA-REMEMBER STALINGRAD!
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 11 December 2013 15: 47
      +2
      WHEN AN OPPONENT RUSSIA-REMEMBER STALINGRAD!

      Yes, they’d always be nice. But certainly let Berlin be remembered. And they don’t forget about Nuremberg.
  17. mountain
    mountain 11 December 2013 13: 28
    +1
    That's right, they have something to protect. So much wine has accumulated that saliva runs.
  18. VadimSt
    VadimSt 11 December 2013 13: 50
    0
    It would be better if they remembered the biblical expression "forge swords into plowshares"! And calmer and safer! Since the parade of sovereignties, all the countries of the former Soviet Union, only think that someone wants to capture them. Looks like the consequences of the influence of early feudalism in conjunction with Western democracy.
  19. VADEL
    VADEL 11 December 2013 14: 16
    +1
    but the 2008 war showed that when the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is no longer significant. "

    With Russia all not essential! Buy containers for "Borjomi", crawling bolshe. smile
  20. Stinger
    Stinger 11 December 2013 14: 39
    0
    Cavalry would have been better. Although sheep can be grazed in between battles. Anyway, it’s useful in the household.
  21. Leshka
    Leshka 11 December 2013 14: 52
    0
    let us rearm better wink
  22. Arkan
    Arkan 11 December 2013 15: 05
    +2
    "According to the expert," with the money raised from the sale of Soviet-style tanks and helicopters, it is planned to purchase modern anti-tank and anti-aircraft systems. "

    The first fruits of the "association". They don't give money, plus they squeeze competitors (Ukraine) out of the arms market.
  23. tnship2
    tnship2 11 December 2013 15: 09
    +3
    Well done Georgians. Maybe they will take up the mind and do what turns out well, for example wine, with a borzh. Georgia gave us a tough even cruel leader, but he didn’t let us down in difficult times. I TAKE A COUNTRY WITH A SIMILAR AND GIVEN IT WITH ATOMIC TECHNOLOGY and not wet like that technology came to us. Georgia and Ukraine are trying to break away Christian countries from Russia at all costs. It's time to think over to the authorities in our countries that we are only strong. But the tanks are selling in vain, put in caponier, pour concrete, shoot as needed and preserve. From the north rarely war comes, and even then only for educational purposes, but another thing is SOUTH .... MAY BE SUITABLE.
    1. givargi
      givargi 12 December 2013 06: 20
      0
      Syrian fighters will soon be set against the Caucasus. But the Georgians are not thinking about this, and in vain. Americans brained their brains.
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  24. negeroi
    negeroi 11 December 2013 16: 24
    -4
    I don’t understand what the Aboriginal people care about Georgian tanks? Why so much contempt and arrogance? When the Russian wars were distinguished by generosity to the defeated enemy. And now, like bazaar women, all the bones were washed by gossips, and all the gossip was collected and what was and wasn’t It’s okay on the matter of what they discussed, they argued, well, they were joking about why we were afraid of their anti-tank tanks or the tanks themselves. But there are no streams of shit and stupid instructions on what to do and how they should live. they lie, and they say nasty things on every corner. The war has passed, I remember our fallen, but I don’t respect myself with shit. I’m sorry for the women on the site, maybe they would be ashamed.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 11 December 2013 16: 56
      +1
      I will answer in order to your post: 1. Despair and arrogance is when people are harassing with grads and heavy artillery in the city and peacekeepers ... 2. About the bazaar women ... If the rodents would live with their minds, then yes. State Department mind replaces they deserve it. 4. Regarding lies and nasty things .... whose roof would be mumbling .... 5. That the honor of the fallen is good ... BUT the rodents are not the enemy, but jackals, they got into the snout and raised a squeal all over the world ... not manly, agree? 6. There are women on the site and I would be ashamed to call women ... .... And finally - 7. You minus.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 11 December 2013 17: 14
        +3
        Quote: sergey72
        1. Despair and arrogance is when Grads and heavy artillery in the city and peacekeepers are beaten

        if there were peacekeepers by hail then the victims would be more about not 64 soldiers! think khoroshenko!
        http://aillarionov.livejournal.com/567319.html
        http://aillarionov.livejournal.com/567624.html

        Quote: sergey72
        BUT rodents are not the enemy, but jackals-got into the snout and raised a squeal to the whole world ... not like a man, agree?

        ) well done keep it up!
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 11 December 2013 17: 17
          +1
          Dahlia, what about 64?
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 11 December 2013 17: 46
            +2
            Quote: sergey72
            Dahlia, what about 64?

            according to the statement about 30 pieces of Grad shoot at the base of peacekeepers and only at seven in the morning the first Russian Peacemaker dies (the first Georgian peacekeeper 7 on August evening), then it doesn’t work out logically!

            even 1 people is already not a little!
            so) another topic now) is not about the war between Russia and Georgia

            and it’s not decided to sell equipment (10-20 pieces) or not
            1. sergey72
              sergey72 11 December 2013 18: 00
              +2
              I agree, the topic is different .... I have a photo of the barracks of peacekeepers does not get up, the one that before the shelling and the one after ...
              Quote: GEOKING95
              and it’s not decided to sell equipment (10-20 pieces) or not

              Well, since the topic of blood "jumped off", then I will not arrange a srach ... Well, what about the sale ... hmm .. You signed an association agreement with the EU there? ... from here, think out for yourself.
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 11 December 2013 18: 32
                0
                Quote: sergey72
                hmm .. you there signed an association agreement with the EU ?.

                yes, but it gives almost nothing
                1. sergey72
                  sergey72 11 December 2013 18: 40
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                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  yes, but it gives almost nothing

                  You don’t understand, Dahlia, - the white masters needed bollards .... I would not be surprised if, after Afghanistan and Iraq, Georgia is pulled, well, at least in the Central African Republic ... to defend the "common European" values ​​... And "meat" sorry, tanks are useless ... something like this ...
  25. crambol
    crambol 11 December 2013 16: 37
    +1
    Georgia goes on the defensive.

    It's time to take up the mind.
    when the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is already insignificant "

    Well, this is absolutely great! I’ll hang it on the wall!
  26. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 11 December 2013 17: 39
    +1
    when the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is already insignificant


    All you need to remember is the strategists of the opposing side ...
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 12 December 2013 07: 39
      0
      Quote: Ivan Pomidorov
      when the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is already insignificant


      All you need to remember is the strategists of the opposing side ...

      Draw in the form of a picture in gold and in a frame. According to all the rules for quotes (signature: Leading Georgian expert in the military field Irakli Aladashvili).
      Then, solemnly, with the involvement of journalists from all leading world media outlets, to present to the NATO Secretary General and / or the US President, with a proposal for "friendship", etc.
      wassat
      How cool this picture will look in the oval office or at NATO headquarters !!!
  27. Aydar
    Aydar 11 December 2013 17: 42
    0
    in short, Georgians are getting rid of old tanks and helicopters, both physically and morally obsolete! do everything right, do not cut the same on metal
  28. vladstro
    vladstro 11 December 2013 18: 39
    -1
    Yes, now Ossetians and Abkhazians will share Georgia and that’s all, there’s no tanks, and without tanks I’m not sure that Georgians will stand against Ossetians or Abkhazians.
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 11 December 2013 19: 48
      +2
      Quote: vladstro
      Yes, now Ossetians and Abkhazians will divide Georgia and all

      Yes, no one is going to share anyone! Mishiko’s mode is gone! Georgia’s military doctrine has changed (as well as political)! Let's hope for peace and friendship!
      Only a small question: when will Saakashvili be convicted and hanged?
  29. APASUS
    APASUS 11 December 2013 19: 54
    +1
    Better to live badly with a neighbor than good to fight with him!
  30. JonnyT
    JonnyT 11 December 2013 20: 13
    +3
    Well, in general it’s logical ...... since they are going into a dead defense ....... only who are they going to defend themselves against ???? .... Western-style defense systems can also show low efficiency if there is a war for a lousy idea, if people do not have high motivation to fight the enemy
  31. darksoul
    darksoul 11 December 2013 20: 31
    +1
    one of the few smart deeds in recent years, but in general let everyone sell and live humanly, wine, vodka, oranges, et their theme .... well, I like the Abkhaz more laughing
  32. voliador
    voliador 11 December 2013 20: 44
    +1
    Wooden automatic machines and plush planes laughing .
  33. poquello
    poquello 11 December 2013 20: 45
    +2
    How many gruelins can you buy by selling these tanks?
    1. alone
      alone 11 December 2013 22: 03
      +3
      judging by the descriptions of t-55 and t-72. I don’t think that much. well, really t-55 can only be sold to Africans. well, for a maximum of 250 thousand apiece (in real life, maybe less), but for t-72 it’s from half a million up to a million depending on the state. and as for the Mi-8, the helicopters are probably old and in-depth modernization is required. yes and the amount sold is unknown. so it’s almost impossible to find out how many javelins you can buy with the proceeds. .Nevertheless, the president of Georgia decides such matters as head of Georgia.
      1. poquello
        poquello 12 December 2013 01: 37
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        judging by the descriptions of t-55 and t-72. I don’t think that much. well, really t-55 can only be sold to Africans. well, for a maximum of 250 thousand apiece (in real life, maybe less), but for t-72 it’s from half a million up to a million depending on the state ...

        total 3-10pcs per tank, 2/3 will be 140pcs, if at half price - yes they are mean-spirits, it’s much more coming out of captured tanks
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      3. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 12 December 2013 07: 42
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        Right Especially when you consider the cost of delivery.
  34. uzer 13
    uzer 13 11 December 2013 22: 08
    -2
    Have you forgotten about diapers? You also need to buy it. In defense you will come in handy.
  35. propolsky
    propolsky 11 December 2013 22: 29
    +1
    They do it right, there’s no one to fight with, and it’s not necessary (time itself will put everything in its place), start up money in the economy (there aren’t so much of it), well, it also sharpens a stone of water ... Maybe the Georgian economic miracle nature also exists!
  36. kair_kz
    kair_kz 11 December 2013 23: 56
    +1
    "The 2008 war showed that when the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is already insignificant" - was it worth checking?)))))))))
  37. Muadipus
    Muadipus 12 December 2013 01: 07
    0
    when the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is already insignificant. "
    - This wisest thought, but to NATO’s ears! ;)


    When the enemy is Russia, the presence of tanks in service and their number is already insignificant

    - Here is the main slogan above the entrance to every military university in the world.
  38. givargi
    givargi 12 December 2013 06: 12
    +3
    Quote: klimpopov
    But what for the army in general?
    Let the choir sing better and grill kebabs.
    Police enough IMHO

    During the war, the population of Georgia was 3,5 million. Georgia sent 600,000 soldiers to WWII. This is when there were no military operations on the territory of Georgia. And the Georgians in the military of Russia have a glorious history. Probably it begins with the time of Peter the Great. Take a look at Aleksandr Archilovich on Wikipedia.

    And in general, IMHO of Georgia needs weapons and a military to comrade to repulse the west, and will unite in a military and economic alliance with Russia. I really want to see that day. The West is afraid of this in the Caucasus and sings generously finances anti-Russian forces and propaganda in Georgia.
  39. Troy
    Troy 12 December 2013 07: 18
    +1
    We are fraternal peoples, there are many Georgian heroes in our common history, they just were not lucky with the leaders, but everything is back to square one and we will love together.