Australia will ask Japan for submarine technology

The Australian Ministry of Defense plans to conclude an agreement with Japan on access to some submarine propulsion system technologies. About this, as reported by Jane's, said Australian Defense Minister David Johnston. We are talking about cooperation in the field of transmission development on the basis of a similar element of the Soryu-type submarines, which are in service with the Japanese Self-Defense Forces.

According to Johnston, negotiations are already underway with the Japanese side. The Australian military plans to get some of the transmission technology, which is already in mass production and is not a state secret. At the same time, the Australian minister noted that there is no talk about the disclosure of advanced technologies. Australia is particularly interested in the technical possibility of creating a transmission for submarines of large displacement.

The submersible displacement of the “Soryu” type ships is 4,2 thousand tons with a length of 84 and a width of 9,1 meter. These ships are equipped with Kawasaki 12V 25 / 25 SB diesel-electric power units and Kawasaki Kockums V4-275R Stirling engines of a joint Swedish-Japanese development. "Litter" can reach speeds up to 20 nodes, and their range is 6,1 thousands of miles. Submarines are built at the enterprises of Kawasaki Heavy Industries and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

In September 2012, Australia and Japan signed an agreement to deepen scientific and technical cooperation in the field of defense. According to Jane's, if Australia gets access to the power plants of Soryu-type submarines, this will happen thanks to last year’s agreement. All the technologies obtained will be used in the framework of the SEA 1000 project to create new submarines, which will have to replace outdated Collins-type submarines.

It is expected that the construction of new submarines on the project SEA 1000 is scheduled to begin in 2017. Adoption of the first ship is scheduled for 2025 year. In total, the Australian Navy should receive 12 new submarines. Currently, Australia is trying to determine the best implementation option for the SEA 1000 project. Among the opportunities considered are: designing a submarine from scratch and developing a ship based on already existing projects.

In mid-May 2013, the Australian Department of Defense agreed with the Swedish military to transfer the Australian side of the Swedish intellectual property to submarines. We are talking about the developments obtained in the design and construction of submarines of the "Collins" type. These ships were built for the Australian Navy by the Swedish shipyard Kockums on the basis of a modified project of the Vesterjetland submarines.

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[Greenwood]

I have always said that you should not underestimate Japan. The country has one of the most modern fleets in the world and one of the strongest in the Pacific region. If it weren’t for the pressure from the United States, Japan would have climbed into the regional powers with might and main, if not the superpowers, given the size of its economy. The unbending Japanese mentality, the ability to work in a team, astronomical performance and a very high level of development of the economy and industry make Japan an extremely serious opponent for the countries of Asia. Our country, I hope, will never fight the Japanese again.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Greenwood

Our country, I hope, will never fight with the Japanese.

Well, we have already demonstrated this to them once. I am sure the second time they themselves will not want to (mindful of the last exodus).

[Saburo]

And what did we demonstrate to them there? We defeated, with the help of modern technology and an army hardened in a four-year war, a technical backward, demoralized army that was experiencing severe fuel hunger.

The Kwantung Army had neither modern means of communication, nor modern tanks, there were almost no modern aircraft, and for those that only had enough fuel to fly one way, they did not even have submachine guns, and more than half of the soldiers passed only minimum military training.

But when we were the last time on an equal footing, the Japanese beat us on the head. And it is especially strong at sea. As it is written on the monument to Admiral Makarov: "Remember the war." It is necessary to remember not only victories but also defeats.

[Kibalchish]

And what did we demonstrate to them there? We defeated, with the help of modern technology and an army hardened in a four-year war, a technical backward, demoralized army that was experiencing severe fuel hunger.

The Kwantung Army had neither modern means of communication, nor modern tanks, there were almost no modern aircraft, and for those that only had enough fuel to fly one way, they did not even have submachine guns, and more than half of the soldiers passed only minimum military training.

But when we were the last time on an equal footing, the Japanese beat us on the head. And it is especially strong at sea. As it is written on the monument to Admiral Makarov: "Remember the war." It is necessary to remember not only victories but also defeats.

Violently plus.

[Mikhail3]

"Equally"?! What are you talking about? There is no war on an equal footing! This is not a sport! Military affairs are ways to create unconditional superiority, or turn the strengths of the enemy into weak ones. A soldier never, in general, never fights with an equal opponent. Therefore, in particular, soldier training is almost nothing like sports training.
That's when the British with machine guns attacked the Zulus with spears - it was incomparable. Today, the brave marines in the mountains (well, where else can the marine corps be?) Attack people with a light rifleman with all the achievements of weapons thought ... however, it’s already impossible to say clearly. Because the Taliban are winning ...
The USSR possessed thousands of almost inoperable tanks and mountains of not-so-advanced weapons, plus barely fired, poorly controlled troops. That is, we and the Germans were not even close to equal. However, they stopped them, then turned back and in the process of all this did not become equal to the Germans, but immediately surpassed them. War is not a tatami fight. Which, however, is understandable - those who thought so, tried to oppose us with the "samurai spirit". Weak spirit, pitiful ...

[Greenwood]

Quote: Mikhail3

The USSR possessed thousands of almost inoperable tanks and mountains of not very advanced weapons, plus unshielded, poorly controlled troops.

The USSR had too much territory — where to stumble, plus significant human, resource and industrial reserves, plus a totalitarian system that mobilized the population to mass resistance to the enemy. All this made it possible for us to retreat so far inland, but in the end to withstand. Other countries did not have such resources and capabilities.

Quote: Mikhail3

tried to oppose us with the "samurai spirit". Weak spirit, pitiful ...

The samurai spirit was quite enough for a successful war against the Russian Tsarist army, which, by the way, is in many ways similar to today's army, unlike the Soviet one.

[kair_kz]

in 1905, the Japanese took advantage of the weakness of the empire and demonstrated only that they are the only Asian people of that time who really know how to fight well.
in 1939 were on an equal footing in general terms, but Khalkhin goal put everything in its place
in 1945, in less than two weeks, the Soviet army swept the main, most numerous and powerful group of ground forces of the Imperial Armed Forces of Japan (wiki) into oblivion.

[Greenwood]

Quote: GSH-18

Well, we have already demonstrated this to them once.

Yeah, and before that they showed us. So in fact even.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Greenwood

If it weren’t for the pressure from the United States, Japan would have already climbed into the regional powers, if not the superpowers, given the size of its economy

The constitution does not allow them. And they spend little on weapons ...

[Saburo]

Is the world's fifth-largest military budget of nearly $ 60 billion (this is almost as much as Britain spends) is not enough? Well, maybe in your parallel universe ...

[Greenwood]

Quote: Nayhas

The constitution does not allow them.

Soon they will rewrite, everything goes to this.

[Kibalchish]

On a recent exercise, the Americans searched for the Japanese "Soryu" for half a day until a conditional sinking message came. Japan is now, although not yet a global one, but a sea power for sure.

[svp67]

The strange news is that Japan is now leading the way in the creation of such facilities? Or Germany, with Sweden is very expensive requested?

[Nayhas]

Quote: svp67

The strange news is that Japan is now leading the way in the creation of such facilities? Or Germany, with Sweden is very expensive requested?

The Swedes helped the Japanese, and the Australians are easier to negotiate with the Japanese, they are closer.

[svp67]

Quote: Nayhas

The Swedes helped the Japanese, and the Australians are easier to negotiate with the Japanese, they are closer.

But their relationship is not the most rosy ...

[VEKT]

Why, both go under the same godfather

[sergey72]

No, this is different, just the boats built for the Australian Navy turned out to be a rare guano, I remember recently reading a translated article in which the corruption component of the cooperation between Kokums and the Australian authorities was indicated ....

[Nayhas]

Quote: svp67

But their relationship is not the most rosy ...

Come on, in front of an adversary like China, any squabbles become inappropriate ...

[twviewer]

China now scares everyone, and it’s not clear what they are afraid of more: the fact that they will buy everyone or that they will conquer :)
Threat in terms of population, Japan immediately follows Russia 130mil people and recently (10-15 years)

Quote: Nayhas

they spend little on weapons ...

in world leaders in the defense budget, right up to the point that Germany has been gagged

[Greenwood]

Quote: twviewer

China

Quote: twviewer

will conquer :)

Thank you, made fun. Has China ever won anything in its history? But he himself was conquered and defeated by all and sundry countless times.

[alone]

China was established as a state thanks to the USSR. If there were no USSR, the Chinese would still be ruled by colonists. It was thanks to the USSR that China freed itself from the Japanese, and then the CCP threw Chiang Kai-shek to Taiwan.

[nagi]

Quote: Greenwood

The samurai spirit was quite enough for a successful war against the Russian Tsarist army, which, by the way, is in many ways similar to today's army, unlike the Soviet one.

Could you tell me more about the samurai spirit that was enough for the war with RI?
The Japanese army had a numerical superiority of> 2 times. The RI troops were poorly staffed. Were ill-prepared to conduct hostilities. Lack of ammunition and food forced Port Arthur to surrender rather than the Japanese spirit. Actually, not the 5th column and the weakness of the monarch led to defeat in the Russo-Japanese War. Japan had a problem with finances, it was enough just to prolong the conflict and the economy in Japan collapsed.