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The myth of Mandela. South Africa as a lesson for Russia

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The myth of Mandela. South Africa as a lesson for Russia

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РћРґРЅР ° РєРѕ СЃСЂР ° внение РњР ° РЅРґРµР С С С Р Р Р ° РЅРґРё СЏРІРЅРѕ РвС € РёР ± РѕС ‡ РЅРѕРµ. Р “Р ° РЅРґРё РЅРµ Р ± С‹ Р ”СЂР ° Р · СЂСѓС € Штел ем. ° ° RўRѕRіRґR RєR Rє RїRμSЂRІS <R№ S,RμRјRЅRѕRєRѕR¶RoR№ RїSЂRμR · RoRґRμRЅS, C "P ° RєS,RoS ‡ RμSЃRєRo SЂR ° F · SЂSѓS € Röhr" SЌRєRѕRЅRѕRјRoS ‡ RμSЃRєRo SѓSЃRїRμS € RЅRѕRμ RіRѕSЃSѓRґR ° SЂSЃS,RІRѕ. R®R¶RЅRѕ-RђC РіРѕСЃСѓРґР ° рством РЅР ° Черном континенте. PsRaRs RsRsResCe ... RsResCoRsRespsoRsRsRRsRfsRfRsRRsRfRRsRfsRfsRfRcfsRfspfsfs ° RЅSЃRєRѕRіRѕ RїSЂRμR RoRґRμRЅS,R · ° F "R¶RμR№RєRѕR ° F ± F-SѓRјSѓ RѕSЃRІRoSЃS,R ° F" Ryo RїSЂSЏRјRѕ RЅR ° RїR ° RЅRoS ... RoRґRμ RїRѕ RњR ° RЅRґRμR "Rμ. RќRμRґRѕRІRѕR "SЊSЃS,RІRѕ RІS <P · RІR ° RЅRѕ RЅRμRіR ° S,RoRІRЅS <Rј SЃRѕSЃS,RѕSЏRЅRoRμRј SЌRєRѕRЅRѕRјRoRєRo, RІS <P ± SЃRѕRєRѕR№ RμR SЂR · ° F ± RѕS,RoS † † RμR№ Ryo SЃRѕS Röhr ° F" SЊRЅS ‹Рј нерР° венством. Rљ S,RѕRјSѓ R¶Rμ RїSЂRμR · RoRґRμRЅS, RѕRєR ° F · P ° R "SЃSЏ RєRѕSЂSЂSѓRїS † RoRѕRЅRμSЂRѕRј, RμRіRѕ RѕR ± RІRoRЅSЏSЋS, PI SЂR ° SЃS,SЂR ° S,Rμ 20 RјR" of the PS. РґРѕР »Р» Р ° СЂРѕРІ РёР · РіРѕСЃСѓРґР ° рственного Р ± юджеСРРРРРСС СРРРРРРРР СРСРСРРРРРРРРРСС СРРРРРРРР СРСРСРРРРРРРРРСС СРРРРРРРРРРРС СРРРРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР СР СР ·РРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР РРРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР ±RґR °R °

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RћRґRЅR RєRѕ SЂRμR¶RoRј ° F RїR ° ° ° SЂS,RμRoRґR Ryo SЃRμRіSЂRμRіR ° C ± P † RoRo C <P "RЅRμRїSЂRoRμRјR" RμRј RґR "SЏ RјRoSЂRѕRІRѕRіRѕ SЃRѕRѕR C ± ‰ RμSЃS,RІR °, RєRѕS,RѕSЂRѕRμ PI SЌS,RѕRј RІRѕRїSЂRѕSЃRμ Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ РїСЂР ° РєС‚РЁС ‡ ески едино. РћРћРќ ввелР° СЃР ° РЅРєС † РёРё против ЮАР. Режим Р ° РїР ° ртеидР° РЅРµ СЃРјСѓС ‰ Р ° Р "тоР" СЊРєРС Р Р · СЂР ° РёР »СЊ, РєРѕС, РСССС R РРС С СРСРРРРРРРРР "‡ RѕRіRoS RЅSѓSЋ SЃRoSЃS,RμRјSѓ, RЅRμ RґR RІR ° ° ° SЏ RјR SЃSЃR Rј ° F ° SЂR ° F ± RѕRІ Ryo RЅRμRіSЂRѕRІ SЂR ° SЃS,RІRѕSЂRoS,SЊ RμRІSЂRμRμRІ, RїRѕRїSѓS,RЅRѕ SЂR ° F · SЂSѓS € RoRІ RѕS,RЅRѕSЃRoS Μ P Ѕ R Р Њ Њ Њ Њ Њ Њ Њ Њ ѓ Њ Р – Р ° РїР ° RґRЅS RѕRіR ° ± S,SЃS,RІR ° Rј R®RђR, RїRѕRґRґRμSЂR¶R ° F »P ± Pd RѕSЂSЊR Sѓ C ± ‡ RμSЂRЅRѕRіRѕ RЅR ° SЃRμR" RμRЅRoSЏ P · ° F SЃRІRѕRo RїSЂR ° RІR °. РЎРёРјРІРѕР »РѕРј Р ± РѕСЂСЊР ± С‹ стР° Р »Р · Р ° РєР» СЋС ‡ РµРЅРЅС ‹Р№ терорРСРСС РРРРРР СРСРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР РРЎР РР ±Р РР ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р °Р °Р °Р °Р ‹Р ‹Р ‹Р ‹РРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРRРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР ±Р ± Р P 'RoS,RѕRіRμ SЋR¶RЅRѕR ° C "SЂRoRєR ° RЅSЃRєRoRμ RІR" P ° SЃS,Ro RїSЂRѕRіRЅSѓR "RoSЃSЊ RїRμSЂRμRґ RјRoSЂRѕRІS <Rј SЃRѕRѕR C ± ‰ â € RμSЃS,RІRѕRј" SЃRЅR ° C ° F ‡ P "P ° ± RѕSЃRІRѕR RѕRґRoR "Pd RњR ° RЅRґRμR" Sѓ, P ° R · R ° R ° S,RμRј RѕS,RґR "Ryo RІR" P ° SЃS,SЊ, SЃRѕRіR "P ° SЃRoRІS € RoSЃSЊ RЅR RІSЃRμRѕR ° C ± ‰ RoRμ RІS <P ± РѕСЂС ‹‹, РЅР ° РєРѕС, РѕСЂС ‹С… РњР ° ндел Р ° одержР° Р »РїРѕР ± еду. R§S'SЂRЅS <Rμ SЃRѕSЃS,R ° RІR "SЏR» P ± Pd RѕR "SЊS € RoRЅSЃS,RІRѕ RЅR ° SЃRμR" RμRЅRoSЏ, RїRѕSЌS,RѕRјSѓ Röhr · SЂR ° SЃRѕRІRѕR№ SЃRѕR "RoRґR ° SЂRЅRѕSЃS,Ro RїSЂRѕRіRѕR" RѕSЃRѕRІR ° P ”Ryo P · P ° PЅRµRіСЂР °. РќР ° РґРѕ СЃРєР ° Р · Р ° ть, С ‡ то, РІРµС ‡ РЅРѕ пеняя Р ± елы С… Р · Р ° СЂР ° СЃРёР · Рј, РјРёСЂРѕРІР ° РРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР СРРРРј РјР Р, менЏяЏР±Р ±Р ±Р РР ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р РР ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±РРРРРРРРРРРР ±РР ±РРР ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±РРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР ±РРРРРРРРР ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ±РРРРРРРРР СРРЃРРвенность Р · Р ° РєСЂС ‹РІР ° ет РіР »Р ° Р · Р ° РЅР ° В« С ‡ РµСЂРЅС ‹Р№ СЂР ° СЃРёР · РјВ».

RўRμS RЅRѕR ... "RѕRіRoRo RїRѕRґRґRμSЂR¶RєRo The" P ± ± RѕSЂSЊR C <F · ° F RїSЂR ° RІR ° B "PI RїRѕSЃR" RμRґRЅRoRμ RіRѕRґS <RјS <RІRoRґRμR "Ryo PI SЃR ° RјS <SЂR ° C ... P · P ' RLS ‡ RЅS ‹S ... SЃS, SЂR ° RЅR ° C…. РџРѕСЃР »РµРґРЅРёР№ пример” РЈРєСЂР ° РёРЅР °. R'ROSE ° Pc Red Cross Red Cross Рµ Р ± РѕРіР ° тствР° стрР° РЅС »СЊРЅС‹ С… РєРѕСЂРїРѕСЂР ° С † РёР№ Рё Р ± Р ° РЅРєРѕРІ. РЎС… ожую РєР ° ртину РјС ‹РІРёРґРёРј Рё РІ ЮАР. РќР ° селение РїРѕР» СѓС ‡ РёР »Рѕ РР РРРРРРРРРРРРРР СРР · РёСЋ СЃРІРѕР ± Р РРґС <РЁР« РїСЂР ° РІР ° С ‡ еР»РРРРРРРРР РРРРРРРРР СРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР РР РР РЏРЏРРРРРРРРРР РРР РР РР РЏРЏРРРРРРРРР РРР РР РР РР РР РЏ РЃРРРРРРРР РРРР РР РР РР РР РР РР РР РР РР РРРРРРРР РРР РР РР РР РР РРР ° RїR ° RґRЅRѕRіRѕ RјRoSЂR ° C ‡ · RμSЂRμR RўRќRљ Ryo RўRќR 'RїRѕR "‡ SѓS Röhr" Ryo SЂRμR ° F "SЊRЅSѓSЋ RІR" P ° SЃS,SЊ RЅR ° Rґ RїSЂRoSЂRѕRґRЅS <RјRo SЂRμSЃSѓSЂSЃR RјRo Pd ° C "RoRЅR ° RЅSЃRѕRІS <RјRo потокР° РјРё.

RќR ° SЃRμR "RμRЅRoRμ RѕS, RїRѕR ± RμRґS <B" RѕR C ± ‰ RμS RμR ‡ "‡ RѕRІRμS RμSЃRєRoS ... C † RμRЅRЅRѕSЃS,RμR№V" SЃS,R ° F "of the PS R¶RoS,SЊ S,RѕR" SЊRєRѕ S ... SѓR¶Rµ. Режим Р ± елого Р ° РїР ° ртеидР° С„ Р ° РєС‚РЁС ‡ ески сменился РЅР ° С ‡ ерны Р№№. Р'елы Рµ Р ± С ‹Р» РЁ Р РРР ± СЉСЏРІР »РµРЅС п С РСЃС‚РѕС ‡ РєРёРєРѕРј всех Р ± ед Рё РЅР ° РїР ° СЃС РРРР№, РЅР ° С СРСРРРС РРРРСРС Рё Р РР ° РїР ° СЃС РРРРС РРРР СРС Рё РґР ° Р РР ° СЃС РРРРРРРРРР РСРР СРСРєРРРІРРРРРІРРРРРРРРРСРСРІРІР… Р ± еРи РЅР ° РїР ° СЃС РРРРС РРРРСРР ° СЃСЃРѕРІРѕРµ Р ± егство Р ± елы С… РёР · ЮАР. РўС ‹СЃСЏС ‡ Рё РїРѕРіРёР ± Р» Рё. РўРµ, кто остР° Р ”СЃСЏ, Р ± С‹ Р ”РІС‹ нужден РІС ‹Р¶РёРІР ° ть, СЃРѕР · РґР ° РІР ° СЏ Р · Р ° РјРєРѓСѓСР Р ° РІС‚РѕРЅРѕРјРЅС ‹Рµ РсР ± С ‰ РёРЅС‹. РљСЂСѓРїРЅС ‹Рµ РіРѕСЂРЂРѕРґР ° СЃСЂР ° Р · Сѓ ттР° Р» Рё СЂР ° Р№РѕР °RrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRPENR ° RЃRR ° R ·R ° RЃRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR R Р є Ѓ Ѓ Ѓ Ѓ Ѓ RєS S ѓ S , SЃS,RІRμRЅRЅRѕSЃS,Ro, RіRѕSЃRїRѕRґSЃS,RІR ° SЂRѕRґRѕRїR "RμRјRμRЅRЅS <C ... C † RμRЅRЅRѕSЃS,RμR№ Ryo RЅRoR · · RєRѕR№ RїSЂRѕRoR RІRѕRґRoS,RμR" SЊRЅRѕSЃS,Ro S,SЂSѓRґR ° (P ° C ‡ SЃS,Rѕ RІRѕRѕR C ± ‰ Rμ RѕS,SЃSѓS,SЃS,RІRoSЏ RєR ° RєRoS ... -P "of the PS Röhr ± RјRѕS,RoRІRѕRІ Rє SЂR ° F ± RѕS,Rμ) RіRѕSЂRѕRґR ° SЃRoR" SЊRЅRѕ RїRѕSЃS,SЂR ° RґR ° F "Pd. R'RμR "C <Rμ R¶RoS,RμR» P ± Pd SЂRѕSЃRoR "Ryo C" <RoSЂRјS, RoRј RїSЂRoRЅR ° RґR "RμR¶R ° RІS € RoRμ, RјRЅRѕRіRѕSЌS,R ° R¶RєRo, RѕS" RoSЃRЅS <Rμ Р · РґР ° РЅРЁСЏ, РєРѕС‚РѕСЂС ‹Рµ тут же Р ± С <Р »РЁ Р · Р ° С… РІР ° С ‡ ены Рё преврР° С ‰ РµРЅС ‹РІ В СРР РРСРРРРР С РР C СР РРСРРРРС С РР C СРР РРСРРРР С РР C С РРСРРРР С РР C С РРСРРРР С РР C С РРСРРРР С РР C С РРРСРРР С СРР С СРР СРР СРР С РР Р С РР Р РРµС є РєРєС‚, РѕРСЏС‹, Р ‹РѕС‚, РСС ‹С ‹Р ‹РґССРС С‚ ее Р ± R ". PќR ° ртР° Рј СЂР ° Р · витого индустриР° Р »СЊРЅРѕРіРѕ РѕР ± С ‰ ествР°.

P 'SЃRѕRІSЂRμRјRμRЅRЅRѕR№ R®RђR RєSЂR ° R№RЅRμ RІS <SЃRѕRє SѓSЂRѕRІRμRЅSЊ SѓR "Roes ‡ RЅRѕR№ RїSЂRμSЃS,SѓRїRЅRѕSЃS,Ro, PI S,RѕRј C ‡ RoSЃR" Rμ RїSЂRѕS † RμRЅS, S,SЏR¶RєRoS ... RїSЂRμSЃS,SѓRїR »РµРЅРёР№. RќRμ P · SЂSЏ RїRμSЂRμRґ ° C ‡ RμRјRїRoRѕRЅR S,RѕRј RјRoSЂR RїRѕ ° C "SѓS,R ± RѕR" Sѓ PI PI R®RђR 2010 RіRѕRґSѓ S,SѓSЂRoSЃS,RѕRІ RїRѕSЃS,RѕSЏRЅRЅRѕ RїSЂRμRґSѓRїSЂRμR¶RґR ° F "of the PS Ryo RЅRμRѕR ± C … одимостШР± РѕР »СЊС € РѕР№ осторожности. РќР ° СѓР »РЁС † Рµ РјРѕРіСѓС‚ СѓР ± Шть Р · Р ° С „отоР° РїРїР ° СЂР ° С‚ РёР »Рё РсР ± С ѓРІСЊ. RќR ° RїSЂRѕS,SЏR¶RμRЅRoRo RїRѕSЃR "RμRґRЅRoS RґRІSѓS ... ... RґRμSЃSЏS,RoR" C ‡ RμS,RoR№ RoSЃR "RμRЅRЅRѕSЃS,SЊ RЅR ° SЃRμR" RμRЅRoSЏ R®RђR RїRѕS S,Ro RЅRμ SЂRѕSЃR ‡ "P ° -P · Röhr · Р ° РІС ‹СЃРѕРєРѕР№ Р · Р ° СЂР ° Р¶С'нности Р'Р Р§ Рё Рё Р ± егствР° Р ± ел С ‹С… (состР° РІР» СЏСЋС ‚XNUM -9% РѕС ‚РЅР ° сел енШя). RџSЂR ° RІRґR °, p · RЅR ° C ‡ RoS,RμR "SЊRЅS <R№ RїSЂRoS,RѕRє RјRoRіSЂR ° RЅS,RѕRІ RїSЂRoRІRμR" Rє SЂRѕSЃS,Sѓ RЅR ° SЃRμR "RμRЅRoSЏ. R®RђR P · ° F RЅRoRјR ° RμS, RїRμSЂRІRѕRμ RјRμSЃS,Rѕ PI RјRoSЂRμ RїRѕ SЂR ° SЃRїSЂRѕSЃS,SЂR ° RЅRμRЅRoSЋ pg-RoRЅS P'P "† RμRєS RoRo (PI RѕSЃRЅRѕRІRЅRѕRј SЃSЂRμRґRo RЅRμRіSЂRѕRІ). РџРѕ СЂР ° Р · РЅС ‹Рј РѕС † енкР° Рј, Р · Р ° СЂР ° жено РґРѕ 10-20% РЅР ° сел ения. R®R¶RЅRѕ-RђC СSauroR ° RЅSЃRєR ° SЏR µC µ Ѓ ї ї ї ї ѓ ± ± ± RёRёR ° R вRЃRРRaSaRaSaSport, a décor, a décor, a décor of РЅР ° селенШя. Примерно РєР ° ждS R С Р Ѓ Ѓ Ѓ Ѓ Ѓ Ѓ P ”P °. RSRPR PRsRRoRІRµR »RSRR RR R ° SЃSЃPѕRІRsRS RѓR · RЅR ° S RЃRР RѕRІR ° RЅRёSЋ RґRµS РRµR№.

P · P · P ° -P RІS <SЃRѕRєRѕRіRѕ SѓSЂRѕRІRЅSЏ RїSЂRμSЃS,SѓRїRЅRѕSЃS,Ro Ryo RЅRμRЅR RІRoSЃS,Ro Rє ° F ± RμR "C <Rј RїSЂR ° RєS,RoRєR ° SЂR ° F · RґRμR" SЊRЅRѕRіRѕ RїSЂRѕR¶RoRІR ° RЅRoSЏ SЃRѕS … СЂР ° РЅРёР »Р ° СЃСЊ. P "P ° R¶Rμ PI RџSЂRμS,RѕSЂRoRo, RѕS,RЅRѕSЃRoS,RμR" SЊRЅRѕ F ± F "P ° RіRѕRїRѕR" SѓS RЅRѕR№ SЃS,RѕR ‡ "† Rμ R®RђR Roes, RґRѕRјR °, RѕS" RoSЃS <Ryo RѕS РЃ Р Р RџRРR РR †R †RÖRÖRÖRÖRÖR RRRRRRR.RR.RU . R'SoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRoRRRR тР° РєРё. RџRѕЃЃ »»µµ Џ Р Р Р Р Р Р Р РїСЂРѕРІРѕР »РѕРєРѕР№, РїР ° трул ируются вооруженной РѕС… СЂР ° РЅРѕР№. R'RμR "C <Rј RЅR ° RґRѕ SѓRμR · R¶R ° S,SЊ Röhr" Ryo RїRѕRїS <S,R ° ± S,SЊSЃSЏ RґRѕR RoS,SЊSЃSЏ RїSЂR ° RІR ° SЃRѕR · RґR S,SЊ SЃRІRѕSЋ ° F ° втономию (РіРѕСЃСѓРґР ° рственное РѕР ± СЂР ° Р · РѕРІР ° РЅРёРµ). RџSЂRoS ‡ RμRј RїRѕ RјRμSЂRμ SЃRѕRєSЂR ° C ± ‰ P RμRЅRoSЏ RμR "C <... S,Rѕ RμSЃS,SЊ Ryo RєRІR ° F" Roes "Roes † RoSЂRѕRІR ° RЅRЅS <C ... RєR ° RґSЂRѕRІ, RїSЂRѕR ± P" RμRјS < только СѓРіР» СѓР ± Р »СЏСЋС‚СЃСЏ.

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PўR »Ryo RyЅRµ Рє прогрессу, Р ° дегрР° РґР ° С † Ryoro ЮАР. P “РѕСЃСѓРґР ° рство РїРѕРІСРРССРРРР” Рѕ РѕРїС ‹С‚ РґСЂСѓРіРёС… In “С ‡ ерны С… В ”РіРѕСЃСѓРґР ° СЂСЃРІС Р'еР· РґРµ РїРѕСЃР »Рµ СЂР ° Р · СЂСС € енРРЏРєРєРѕР» РѕРёРёР ° Р »СЊРRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRR, REUR · RIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRES сти негрР° РјРё РїСЂРѕРёСЃС… РѕРґРёС ‚регресс. RџR ° RґRμRЅRoRμ SѓSЂRѕRІRЅSЏ SЂR ° F RІRoS,RoSЏ SЌRєRѕRЅRѕRјRoRєRo · P · P ° RІRoSЃRoRјRѕSЃS,SЊ RѕS, Ryo RўRќRљ RўRќR 'RґRμRіSЂR ° RґR ° C RoSЏ RєSѓR † "<SЊS,SѓSЂS, RЅRμSЃS,R ° F ± Röhr" SЊRЅRѕSЃS , SЊ, RїRμSЂRμS ... RѕRґSЏS ‰ R ° SЏ PI RіSЂR R¶RґR ° ° RЅSЃRєRoRμ RєRѕRЅS "P" RoRєS,S <Pd <RІRѕR№RЅS, RєRѕSЂSЂSѓRїS † RoSЏ, RѕS ... RІR ° S,S <RІR ° SЋS ‰ R ° SЏ RІSЃRμ SѓSЂRѕRІRЅRo RІR "P ° SЃS,Ro RѕS, RїRѕSЃS,RѕRІRѕRіRѕ RЅR ° SѓR" Roes † Rμ RґRѕ RїSЂRμR · RoRґRμRЅS,RѕRІ Ryo RјRoRЅRoSЃS,SЂRѕRІ â € "RoS,RѕRіRo RІRμR · RґRμ SЃS ... RѕR¶Ro. РђС „СЂРёРєР ° РЅСЃРєРёРµ РЅР ° СЂРѕРґС <РґРРРРРРР Р Р РР Р Рё РРРРРРРРСС Ѕ С Ѕ ее РґРЃСЃСРРРРРРРРРРРRRRRRRRRRP RRPP RRPPPPPPPPPPPPRRRRRPPRPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPRRRRRRRRRRRRPP СЌС „С„ ективно Рё СЂР ° Р · СѓРѓРЅРѕ СѓРїСЂР ° РІР »СЏС‚СЊ СЊРІРѕРёРјРЁ территориями. RџџЅ ‹‹ ‹¶¶¶¶¶¶ ёёёёё РІСѓ РЅРµ состоялся. RџRѕ RїSЂRoRјRμSЂSѓ S,RѕR№ R¶Rμ P> RoRІRoRo, RіRґRμ RЅR ° SЃRμR "RμRЅRoRμ RїRѕRґRЅRoRјR ° F" RЅR ° RЅRѕRІS <R№ SѓSЂRѕRІRμRЅSЊ RoRІRoR † C »Röhr · ° F † C RoRo RґRoRєS,R ° S,RѕSЂ RљR ° РґРґР ° С „Рё, РѕС ‡ евидно, С ‡ то РђС„ СЂРёРєРµ нужен В „РЅР ° РґСЃРјРѕС..СЂС ‰ РёРєВ”. RμR P "P ° S,RμR" SЊRЅRѕ SЃS,RѕSЏS ‰ RoR№ RЅR ° RїRѕR Roes · † ... RoSЏS SЂR ° F · SѓRјR Pd ° C RμR ‡ "‡ RѕRІRμS RЅRѕSЃS,Ro, RЅRѕ RЅRμ P · ° F ± F С ‹РІР ° СЋС ‰ РёР№ РЁ Рѕ В« кнуте ».

РќС ‹РЅРµ РђС„ СЂРёРєР ° СЃРЅРѕРІР ° подвергР° РµС, СЃСЃСє РєРѕР »РѕРЅРёР · Р ° С † РёРё. РќРѕ уже РЅР ° РґСЂСѓРіРѕРј СѓСЂРѕРІРЅРµ. R — P Р R ґ R ґ R ‹Р‹ Р ё ё ё ѕ І І І µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ SЊRєRѕ RїRѕR "RμR · RЅS <Rμ SЂRμSЃSѓSЂSЃS <Ryo RїSЂRoR ± C <P" SЊ, RЅRoS RμRіRѕ RЅRμ RґRμR ‡ "P ° SЏ RґR" SЏ RєSѓR "SЊS,SѓSЂRЅRѕRіRѕ Ryo RїSЂRѕRoR RІRѕRґSЃS,RІRμRЅRЅRѕRіRѕ SЂR · ° F · RІRoS,RoSЏ RЅR ° SЃRμR "RμRЅRoSЏ, RєRѕS,RѕSЂRѕRμ RїSЂRѕR · SЏR RμS ° ± P, PI RЅRoS ‰ RμS,Rμ Ryo RІS <SЂRμR · ° F RμS, RґSЂSѓRі RґSЂSѓRіR ° PI RјRЅRѕRіRѕS RoSЃR ‡" RμRЅRЅS <C ... RєRѕRЅS "P" RoRєS,R ° С… Р · Р ° Р · емлю, РІРѕРґСѓ, неф С‚С , RґSЂR ° RіRѕS † RμRЅRЅS <Rμ RєR ° RјRЅRo, RІRμSЂSѓ Ryo C. Рґ. КитР° Р№ предлР° РіР ° ет Р ± РѕР »РµРµ With ‡ ел РѕРІРµС РЅСѓСЋ модель, РІР · СЏРІ РїСРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР РРЊРЊРЋРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРP RџRѕRґRЅRμR ° ± RμSЃRЅR SЏ RЅRμ S,RѕR "SЊRєRѕ RїRѕR" SѓS ‡ ° F RμS, RЅSѓR¶RЅS <Rμ RμRјSѓ SЂRμSЃSѓSЂSЃS <RЅRѕ Ryo SЂR ° F · ° RІRoRІR RμS, SЃRѕS Röhr ° F † "‡ SЊRЅRѕ-SЌRєRѕRЅRѕRјRoS RμSЃRєSѓSЋ RoRЅS „СЂР ° структуруС.

РћС ‡ евидно, С ‡ то Р ° РїР ° ртеид Рё сегрегР° С † РёСЏ - С ”СРР Р · Р »Рѕ. РћРЅРё только консервируют СЃРёС, СѓР ° С † РёСЋ. РќРѕ Рё одномоментнР° СЏ РѕРРРРРРРРРРРС СЌСРРРРРР С СРРРРРРРРРРС СР С РР Р Р ° РµС ‰ С 'Р ± РсР СС € РР РР РР Р Р Р Р Р Р С С € Р РР РР Р Р Р Р Р Р Р С С С Р Р Р Р Р Р С С € € РР РР Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р С С ‰ С Р Р Р Р Р Р С С € Р РР РР Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р С С С Р Р Р Р Р Р Р С С € Р РР Р Р РР RќRµRѕR ± C… RѕRґRёRјR ± C ‹R »RґR »RСRРR »RЊR ‹R ‹RЃRЃRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRoRo РёР »РµС‚РёСЏ, РїРѕ постепенному СЂР ° Р · РІРёСРРСС С ‡ ерного РЅР ° сел ения. ЮАР‍ это своего СЂРѕРґР ° предупреждвние соврейенной Р РССССРРРё. RED SECURITY RћRіSЂRѕRјRЅS <Rμ RїSЂRѕSЃS,RѕSЂS <RЎRoR ± RoSЂRo Ryo P "P ° R" SЊRЅRμRіRѕ R'RѕSЃS,RѕRєR RјRѕR¶RЅRѕ RЅRμ ° F ± SЂR ° S,SЊ PI SЂR ° SЃS C'C ‡,, S,R ° Rє РєР ° Рє РѕРЅРё имелШ РєСЂР ° Р№РЅРµ неР· РЅР ° С ‡ ител СЊРЅРѕРµ РЅР ° селение. P RѕSЃSЃRoR№SЃRєR ° SЏ RoRјRїRμSЂRoSЏ Ryo RЎRЎRЎR SѓSЃRїRμS € RЅRѕ C † RoRІRoR "Röhr · RѕRІR ° F" Ryo SЌS,Ro SЂRμRіRoRѕRЅS <RїRѕRґRЅRoRјR ° F "Ryo Roes ... RєSѓR" SЊS,SѓSЂSѓ, RЅR SЂRѕRґRЅRѕRμ ° C ... RѕR · SЏR №СЃС‚РІРѕ. RћRґRЅR ° RєRѕ SЂR ° F · ° F RІR "RЎRЎRЎR RѕS,R ± SЂRѕSЃRoR" RљR ° RІRєR · ° F · Pd RЎSЂRμRґRЅSЋSЋ RђR RoSЋ PI RїSЂRѕS € P "RѕRμ. RJ ‡ РЅС ‹Рј, РїСЂРёРІС‹ С ‡ РЅС ‹Рј РґР» СЏ сеР± СЏ РЅРѕСЂРјР ° Рј Р ± С ‹С‚РЁСЏ. PC, Рѕ привело Рє Р РїРѕСЏРІР» ению РјРЁР »Р» РёРѕРЅРѕРІ В «РЅРѕРІС‹ С… РІР ° СЂРІР ° СЂРѕРІВ ». RJ РѕРєРєСѓРїР ° нтов. Р СѓСЃСЃРєРёРµ стР° Р »РЁ РІРЁРЅРѕРІРЅРёРєР ° РјРё всех Р ± ед вЂРѕРЅРё же In РРРРР РРРРРРР Р Р СРРССК

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  1. Civil
    Civil 13 December 2013 07: 57
    -33 qualifying.
    Compare frankly Nazi apartheid (and anti-Soviet do not forget) with the USSR, it’s silly. There lived a small percentage of the population due to the poverty of the majority, DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING?
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 13 December 2013 10: 52
      -21 qualifying.
      OF COURSE YOU RIGHT TO ALL HUNDRED.
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      2. rolik2
        rolik2 13 December 2013 11: 31
        -14 qualifying.
        Even in an article on Africa, affftor managed to recall Ukraine

        The latest example is Ukraine. As a result, when “democracy” and “human rights” win, the population gains the right to freely die out and choose the specifics of their slavery, and all the country's real wealth remains with the comprador bourgeoisie and transnational corporations and banks.
        1. Old scoop
          Old scoop 19 December 2013 13: 25
          +1
          You can talk endlessly about a past life and the present, or you can simply track the birth rate in the post-Soviet space and draw conclusions when and where people felt good. The facts, as they say, on the face.
    2. skullcap
      skullcap 13 December 2013 13: 18
      33
      Quote: Civil
      A small percentage of the population lived there due to the poverty of the majority. DOES NOT REMINARE ANYTHING?


      But with this, I think, we still need to properly understand.
      Is this not a propaganda cliche that is being hammered into our heads by "independent media"?
      For example, I was greatly embarrassed by one document, which I cite below as information for reflection and the search for objective information:
      Finally, I would like (if the format allows) to quote the famous "apologies" of the Boers to black Africans from Francois Richter's book "Wee die land van vlerkgegons" ("Woe to the land that overshadows the wings"):
      Together with the Dutch Reformed Church, we, Afrikanders, who are not its members, also want to apologize. We ask all the colored and blacks of the Republic of South Africa to forgive us for all the injustices that we and our ancestors have caused them. We acted like fools, without thinking about the consequences, and today we sincerely apologize for the sins committed, which have brought us nothing but shame and loss:

      1. We provided them with free medical care and sent doctors — so they could multiply uncontrollably.
      2. We sent missionaries to them so that they could find out about the white man’s God — apparently in vain.
      3. We taught them to read and write and even developed a written language for them. We taught them the beginnings of mathematics. We built schools for them, and repaired them after they set fire to them and destroyed them.
      4. We built factories and trained them to work — so that they could earn money that none of their brothers in any African country dreamed of.
      5. We provided them with free housing, cheap transportation, protection with the help of the police and, if necessary, free medical care in our best hospitals.
      6. We smashed farms where we grew food to feed millions of these hungry people.
      7. We supplied them with clothes so that they could shelter themselves, and not walk naked, as they walked before Jan Fan Reybek arrived, without catching a cold or dying during the harsh winters.
      8. We mined minerals and minerals, which they regarded as useless rubble, for centuries, walking on them with our bare feet and giving them a share of the profits. Thousands of them are still working in our mines.
      9. Our women created charitable organizations that fed and clothed those in need among these races.
      10. We covered the country with a network of roads, on which they rob and kill us today.
      11. We have built huge dams so that they can use the water on their own.
      12. We spent 90% of our income on their welfare and their needs and made for their benefit more than any other nation in the world for our people. For this, the world now despises us, and we have lost our self-respect.
      We shouldn't have done that! We are guilty of these sins! We apologize!
      We humbly and meekly ask: may our black "brothers" forgive us. Please, if possible, forgive us! We did it in ignorance, wanting only good.
      1. Basil123
        Basil123 13 December 2013 19: 53
        +1
        NDA I agree everything is beautiful ................. but about 90% it is desirable for more details ..) Further, the division on the basis of race is simply imagining that a handful of blacks comes to our country (captures). ............. I’ll send your senses to the sensation .......
        1. Siberian German
          Siberian German 14 December 2013 03: 39
          +2
          Well, before the whites appeared there - I mean the South Africa, those places were very sparsely populated and inhabited, as they call it - selva or pampas - there are few sources of water.
    3. CALL.
      CALL. 14 December 2013 08: 18
      0
      Not in comparison, but in the mechanism of destruction of a competitor and in the fate that is prepared for the people. All the same thing - criminalization, impoverishment, decline in production, extinction of the population. If you discard some details, the West acts by the same methods, and the goals are the same. Prepare the coming of the Antichrist.
  2. makarov
    makarov 13 December 2013 08: 06
    +9
    it was an ordinary world and international party .... everyone solved his tasks under the guise of an old man's funeral ...
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 13 December 2013 08: 07
    54
    Negroes in South Africa behave in the same way as our southern guests in our cities (at the very least poorly, we repulse such guests - and it is impossible for white people in South Africa to do this, they will burn them alive)
    The good grandfather of MANDELA has been fighting for this all his life and I am surprised at the tears of sorrow of our politicians over the death of this fighter for the rights of black people and also the time of the oppressor of the white population.
  4. Field
    Field 13 December 2013 08: 07
    +6
    But now there is "equality and freedom", like ours
    1. Field
      Field 13 December 2013 12: 08
      +1
      I noticed that as soon as the topic of "black and white" begins
      Kazakhs appear (maybe Kazakhs) and begin to post about evil Russia, bad Russians and how good it is to live in Kazakhstan without Russians, and in general they want to go to Europe and NATO, etc., etc.
      Although the topic is not about that at all
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 13 December 2013 12: 22
        +4
        Quote: Field
        and generally they want to Europe and NATO

        Do you write from Iceland?
        1. Walking
          Walking 13 December 2013 12: 46
          +4
          Quote: Field
          I noticed that as soon as the topic of "black and white" begins
          Kazakhs appear (maybe Kazakhs) and begin to post about evil Russia, bad Russians and how good it is to live in Kazakhstan without Russians, and in general they want to go to Europe and NATO, etc., etc.
          Although the topic is not about that at all


          Something I did not read such comments from the Kazakhstanis. Did I invent it myself?
          1. Field
            Field 13 December 2013 13: 06
            -3
            read in this thread at least Clegg
            Kazakhs zaminusili?
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 13 December 2013 13: 26
              +2
              Quote: Field
              Kazakhs zaminusili?

              I spat on you, seeing this is important to you)))
              1. Field
                Field 13 December 2013 14: 58
                0
                I do not care for + - it just became interesting
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 13 December 2013 15: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Field
                  I do not care for + - it just became interesting

                  Well, respect, sometimes I'm also interested in who is minus me
          2. Clegg
            Clegg 13 December 2013 14: 17
            +1
            Quote: Hiking
            Something I did not read such comments from Kazakhstan.

            there is no such thing as Kazakhstanis, there are Kazakhs and there are other representatives of ethnic diasporas living in Kazakhstan.
        2. Field
          Field 13 December 2013 13: 06
          0
          Of course from there
          1. Walking
            Walking 13 December 2013 14: 05
            0
            Sorry, at first I didn’t see while I was leafing through, I read it. Just do not judge everyone by one person.
            1. Field
              Field 13 December 2013 15: 00
              0
              I am without this character, I know a lot of normal Kazakhs, we have a lot of them in Siberia, who study, who work. Most of the normal sane people, without such "savagery".
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 13 December 2013 18: 56
                0
                The field in which my "wildness" is manifested?
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 13 December 2013 20: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Clegg
                  The field in which my "wildness" is manifested?

                  that I do not agree with the general line. on this and wild, but if I recognized it would be homely and good.
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                    1. Semurg
                      Semurg 13 December 2013 21: 41
                      +2
                      Salem Clegg. ..........deleted by moderator Apollo... further in Russian and then we will fall under the distribution. somewhere similar reasons for the presence on the site. about the burden of a white man on top of the "kosopuz" a big comment posted with which the majority of Russians agree. Well, the very last argument is the ban through which you went through, now Marek got in, maybe he will still have a lot of interesting information.
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      2. CALL.
        CALL. 14 December 2013 08: 44
        +3
        About nationalities. I served in the Soviet Army. With me, people of different nationalities served in the batteries. And no one spread rot about it. Central Asia, the Caucasus, Ukraine, the Baltic States, the RSFSR. Together they slurped the balance, suffered hardships, in the winter at the training ground they lived in tents. The main criterion was what kind of person you were, whether I would go with you in intelligence. Surely someone else did not understand, we are separated by nationality. So that we, to the delight of the devil and his offspring, destroy each other. A fiend of hell - the West does not care deeply about us. A hundred times to sell, buy and still sell. In civil pitted class on class. Russians killed Russians, Kazakhs Kazakhs, Georgians Georgians. Now they set religion on religion. Divide, kill, rob and conquer.
  5. ICT
    ICT 13 December 2013 08: 21
    +9
    The entire world community mourns the death of the former first black president of the Republic of South Africa

    Quote: makarov
    it was an ordinary world and international party .... everyone solved his tasks under the guise of an old man's funeral ...

    Well, as if someone at home received a rolling pin from the skull for such hangouts ..... lol
    1. ICT
      ICT 13 December 2013 08: 22
      +6
      ................


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      2. abrosig
        abrosig 13 December 2013 11: 07
        +3
        Barack pouted:) Michelle is smarter than her husband. He understands what the cabal smells like. Glued p ... lei and drove off from a fun company.
        1. Fedya
          Fedya 13 December 2013 22: 36
          +1
          And Michelle probably knows about the photo from the blog of Irina Rodnina, and does not want to substitute more!
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    3. Jack122
      Jack122 13 December 2013 20: 18
      0
      On Michelle Obama's face you can read: "and as soon as I married this nigga"
      1. atalef
        atalef 13 December 2013 20: 21
        0
        Quote: Jack122
        On Michelle Obama's face you can read: "and as soon as I married this nigga"

        It was right to write
        Michelle Obama's black face can be read: "and as soon as I married this nigga wassat
  6. Humpty
    Humpty 13 December 2013 08: 22
    19
    The word "Mandela" even sounds somewhat indecent. A human rights activist who has dedicated his life to building black apartheid in a single country.
    1. atalef
      atalef 13 December 2013 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: Humpty
      The word "Mandela" even sounds somehow indecent

      Anek in the subject
      Sitting in the evening, Lenin and N. Krupskaya. Lenin
      something is scribbling on leaflets.
      N.K. asks: `` Volodenka, what are you
      do you write there? ''
      Lenin replies: `` MANDATES, Nadenka ''
      And Krupskaya, not sinking in: `` You yourself x @ y ''
    2. CALL.
      CALL. 14 December 2013 08: 49
      +1
      Yes, the word - a human rights activist in the current realities begins to be identified as a servant of the devil.
    3. komTMG
      komTMG 14 December 2013 11: 41
      0
      district number 9 "bis" will be built for whites. There will be tents, toilets, and a kitchen. Everything for whites. We'll love it.

  7. Guun
    Guun 13 December 2013 08: 24
    10
    blacks, how can you give the country to the ignoramuses? It is clear to someone that a powerful South Africa was not needed.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 13 December 2013 10: 40
      38
      Quote: Guun
      It is clear to someone that a powerful South Africa was not needed.


      Mandela is Stalin, on the contrary. Took a country with an atomic bomb and a highly developed economy and left with "plow"
      ЮАР‍ это своего СЂРѕРґР ° предупреждвние соврейенной Р РССССРРРё.

      From 1948 to 1994, 21 thousand people became victims of violence in South Africa, of which 92% (!!!) died as a result of inter-Negro showdowns. In clashes with the police of the "apartheid regime" over the years, 518 people have died, all in cases of attacks by black mobs on soldiers and police. And during the years of the rule of the "black terrorists" who came to power since 1994, 50 thousand whites have died. Entire families of white farmers are slaughtered with impunity. 200 thousand rapes of white women. Blacks lynch openly whites. Whites are deprived of virtually basic rights, access to government, state education. Already 1,5 million whites have left the country.
      Mandela personally planned attacks on life support systems and against government agencies, and they were by no means bloodless. The ANC attacks claimed the lives of thousands of people. So Mandela and his terrorist brothers got their sentences as they deserved. The "democratic" USA and Europe do not notice all this, since there is a lot of gold, diamonds and uranium in South Africa. Russia and Kazakhstan do the same. And the fact that Mandela is a Nobel Peace Prize laureate only shows the true (political) value of this prize. It was handed over to both the corrupt traitor Gorbachev and the "peacemaker" Obama ... So there is nothing to grieve over the death of ex-terrorist Mandela.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 13 December 2013 10: 48
        18
        Johannesburg today
        Now, however, it is the most dangerous place in the country, dominated by high-rise apartment buildings and cheap hotels. If you need to go there, then be careful not to walk the streets at night. Many people walk around Johannesburg without any problems, but there are many terrible stories about terrible crimes, so caution should not be neglected. A combination of caution and common sense will be your best defense. Do not tell everyone and everyone that you are a tourist and how much money you have, they can easily rob you. Look closely at those around you. Cross the road if you see people on your side threatening. Do not go to the city center at night or on weekends when there are no people on the streets and shops are closed. If you are still stopped, do not pretend to be a hero. Give to those who threaten you all values ​​and do not try to resist. Johannesburg is awash with pistols and knives. If you are driving in a car, then lock your doors, while you are standing at a traffic light, someone can open the car door. Driving into the red light here is not considered a crime if there is a real danger of being robbed.

        About Apartheid.Against whom Mandela fought so much.
        all the same, only the main blacks. There are really no whites on the street. Generally. Even during the day. You get in a taxi, - the taxi driver (black) immediately locks the doors to the central lock, only then drives. You walk along the street - attention to you as to Brother-2, when he came to their cafe in the Americas. Everything is quiet, dumbfounded, they show with all their looks, - WHAT DID YOU FORGET HERE? Very stressful, real. Further more, - in the hotel at the reception, in the cafe-restaurant, the waiters are always black, and with such a look - like "come over here!". In Pretoria, and everywhere in the country, everyone lives behind fences. Tall, stone. Barbed wire over the fence. Often also under electric current On the South African roads, autobahns, - regular signs hang (especially in really beautiful places where I would like to stop, look around), - “Stopping prohibited!” Robbery robbery and car theft are possible! ”. Johannesburg made a very heavy impression. The largest city in South Africa, once a business capital, "is now rapidly losing its appearance as a leader in the region" - quote from the Internet. I confirm. The center is dirty, nasty. Around the skyscrapers in the fashion of the seventies. But gray, not repaired for a long time, with peeling advertising signs. There are a lot of places where the ads were torn off by the former owners (white ones), so now they either don’t restore it, or they crookedly corrected it with a golem paint. And around are black. Chock. They sleep, eat, relieve themselves, trade, ... live on the sidewalks. But culture is like at home in the village. A thousand miles from here. We did not dare to get out of a taxi in the center of Johannesburg. And disgusting. And scary. It’s like they bleached white chemistry, like bugs ... sorry for directness.

        link
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 13 December 2013 11: 07
          18
          Crime
          Crime in South Africa is terrifying. In terms of homicide and rape in South Africa in the first place in the world, rape every 56 seconds, more than 50 murders per day. But the worst thing is rape, because Africans (some part) believe that if ... with a white woman or a virgin, AIDS will pass (among the black population, the level of AIDS infection is about 10-15%). the owner, who may simply be asked to free the car, or shoot, depending on how they feel easier. There was a case when a pregnant woman was shot in the stomach because she did not get out of the car fast enough. There was a case when an 8-year-old boy was shot because he did not want to give his bike back. There were several cases of rape when they raped girls aged 8 months (this is not a typo!) - and according to the newspaper, this is not the youngest victim of rape. All this, of course, is perceived as a nightmare, but it is a daily reality in South Africa. Previously, until 1993, whites lived on their own, separately from blacks, in their own areas - blacks lived on their own, from their own areas, this was the essence of the apartheid regime - separate living. All nations lived within their culture, and everything was acceptable to all. There were rich blacks, they could make money - they only lived separately, not with the whites. Crime practically did not exist, the police were white. The borders were tightly closed. Now everyone lives where they want, everything is mixed up, and this is complete kikoz. Police do not catch mice. Nobody is looking beyond the borders. Anarchy, as in Russia after perestroika. In South Africa, about 10 million illegal immigrants (for 40 million official citizens) - from different countries in Africa, life in South Africa is still much better than in an average African country - and these illegal immigrants are mainly involved in crime - and how else They don’t have the right to work, but do they need something? We left South Africa just because of crime. The country is very beautiful, wonderful climate, high standard of living (for those who work and are educated) - but living there is scary.

          Central Business District. It is once the business center of Johannesburg, Africa's most prosperous city, with the highest standard of living for whites, with skyscrapers, and luxury housing. And here is what he is now:
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 13 December 2013 12: 29
            15
            I read at one of our LJ with a photo about a trip to South Africa. Almost the Apocalypse with islands of well-armed and protected white enclaves. It was most striking that the blacks occupy the upper floors of empty buildings in large cities with whole villages and spoil the elevator shafts, because there is no light and water until they are filled, then they move to the next building. Here are such freedoms now with them.
            1. Walking
              Walking 13 December 2013 12: 51
              0
              At the World Cup, we were not recommended to take to the streets in the evening and even in the afternoon the attempt to take a walk could end unpredictably. Although hunting in South Africa is not bad.
      2. A. Yaga
        A. Yaga 13 December 2013 13: 44
        +6
        Quote: Ascetic
        So there is nothing to grieve over the death of ex-terrorist Mandela.

        drinks Oh. And then we grieve. tongue
        1. alone
          alone 14 December 2013 00: 23
          +2
          In the past, prosperous South Africa has now become a sedimentation tank thanks to Mandela.
        2. sssla
          sssla 18 December 2013 12: 22
          0
          Quote: A. Yaga
          Oh. And then we grieve.

          Do not tear the button accordion
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 December 2013 08: 28
    12
    Damn, I don’t really know anything about this Mandela, since childhood I remember on television Mandela Mandela and then there is malaria, speed, hunger. That's Chavez, Castro, Chegirovara, these are real free patriots. And if you still look from the side who came to Mandela’s funeral, then in general the picture does not appear bad.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 13 December 2013 11: 18
      16
      Quote: ZU-23
      Damn, I don’t really know anything about this Mandela, since childhood I remember on television Mandela Mandela and then there is malaria, speed, hunger. That's Chavez, Castro, Chegirovara, these are real free patriots. And if you still look from the side who came to Mandela’s funeral, then in general the picture does not appear bad.


      At 30, he became the organizer of the terrorist wing of the ANC. In the late 50s, at the age of 40, he went to Algeria to study, where he spent about two years undergoing terrorist training under the guidance of French and British intelligence services.
      In addition to organizing individual killings and managing mass terrorist attacks - bank raids, bombings of post offices, passport desks, liquidation of court presences and their employees, Mandela was looking after the terrorist financial community.
      The leadership of the ANC, which was to be brought to trial, consisted of 8 Jews, 4 blacks and one Indian. By name - Oliver Tambo (president of the ANC), Mandela (leader of terrorist fighters + who monitors financial flows), Goldberg, Bernstein and Kantor (lawyers of the ANC), Vernon Ezra, Hepple, Strachan, Julius Forst, Sesulu, Mkhlaba, Mbeki, Mlageni. .. Before the trial, everyone was under a recognizance not to leave the country. As a result, when the trial began on December 3, 1964, only Mandela appeared on it.
      Hepple made a deal with the investigation and fled with his family to London. Vernon Ezra, Tambo, Julius Furst fled to the court with the help of the British Embassy. Strachan.
      Mandela spent four years (1953-1956) gaining experience in the modest law office of Sidelsky in Johannesburg. Her partners were the Lithuanian Jew Lazar Sidelsky and Messrs. Vitkin and Eidelman. Already being the president of South Africa, he remembered with warmth that the office "greatly expanded his political horizons"... And it was really true - after all, the main customer of the office was the world investment giant "Salomon Brothers"
      No wonder Soviet propaganda scared readers with caricatures on which the South African Union sat on the chain of world Zionism.
      Hooter, August 4, 1973. Israel and South Africa are connected by one chain.

      South African intellectuals developed a vigorous activity in defense of terrorists. Such as the writer Nadine Gordimer (1991 Nobel Prize for Literature, “who, with her magnificent epic, has brought immense benefit to humanity.”). Gordimer perjured for the defendants during the later Delmas trial and worked in conjunction with Helen Suzman and her publisher, Lulu Friedman. Another activist, attorney Albi Sachs, has filed lawsuits against apartheid in the courts. Joe Slovo continued his activities as the leader of the UACP and MK. Roni Kasrils, screenwriter, became the head of intelligence for MK and in 1987 a member of the ANC National Executive Committee. Interesting that many of them were awarded state and religious awards of Israel in the 00s.
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      2. CALL.
        CALL. 14 December 2013 09: 07
        0
        Here is another common point in the collapse of South Africa and the USSR - Zionism - Jewish fascism. Brody and Dashevsky and Gerbera shout about mythical Russian fascism. But much worse is the real Jewish fascism - Zionism.
        1. rock
          rock 17 December 2013 18: 15
          -1
          [ti realno gonish
          1. sssla
            sssla 18 December 2013 12: 25
            +1
            Quote: rock
            [ti realno gonish

            Who else racers at issue! )))
      3. rock
        rock 17 December 2013 18: 13
        0
        realno poexovshii na evreyax ti
  9. ICT
    ICT 13 December 2013 08: 32
    +2
    Quote: Guun
    powerful South Africa was not needed.

    THE USSR ? (AS the poster is still in the head, africa is stylized as a Negro's head, on the lower jaw like a cut and flowing blood and the signature "NON-HEALING APARTHEID ULTRA"
  10. Alex66
    Alex66 13 December 2013 08: 33
    13
    Good article, sorry the government does not read it. Well, Mandela can be compared with Solzhenitsyn, but not with Gandhi.
    1. Reyngard
      Reyngard 13 December 2013 21: 03
      -1
      Well, you don’t touch Solzhenitsyn. Then, according to your logic, Stauffenberg is an ordinary terrorist, and certainly not a fighter with the regime.
      1. Fedya
        Fedya 13 December 2013 22: 38
        0
        Well, then who is Stepan Khalturov?
      2. sssla
        sssla 18 December 2013 12: 26
        0
        Quote: Reyngard
        Well, you don’t touch Solzhenitsyn.

        And who is Solzhenitsyn enlighten pzhlst
  11. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 December 2013 08: 34
    +2
    Obama came of course only because he is a Negro. like Mandela. his speech was even to say. Well, he knows that. he himself, as if laughing at what he says
  12. svskor80
    svskor80 13 December 2013 08: 34
    +4
    During the apartheid years, the Negro population of South Africa had the false impression that whites are not straining to live quite comfortably. They did not take into account that the management system, the organization of labor, and of course the oppression of the black population (which is certainly wild) are behind all this. They drove off the whites - the system was gone, there is none of their own and it is unlikely that it will be possible to create it in the near future. But to say that blacks are not capable of anything is wrong either, order and control are needed. At first, even a harsh order, and then it will improve.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 December 2013 17: 58
      11
      Quote: svskor80
      order and control are needed.

      Now, in order to put things in order, a third of the blacks must be shot. And a third should be transferred to the barracks position-to work. But then the geyropa will again howl. Well, the blacks cannot work, the white ones worked, otherwise all of Africa would have flourished
  13. Normman
    Normman 13 December 2013 08: 38
    12
    Very robust and competent article. Mandela is a myth, a painful attempt by whites to maintain ownership and control of resources in South Africa. I think further it will only get worse.
  14. Clegg
    Clegg 13 December 2013 08: 49
    +4
    It was after the departure of the Russian "civilizers" in 1991 that power passed to the "wild" Kazakhs, as a result of which Kazakhstan became the main beneficiary of the collapse of the USSR.

    Better ourselves, we don’t need such white ones)))
    1. Field
      Field 13 December 2013 09: 19
      11
      Yes, of course, the Turks are the coolest. Zaaparteidelo of "poor" Kazakhs of the USSR

      (IT'S SARCASM)
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 13 December 2013 09: 32
        +2
        Quote: Field
        Yes, of course, the Türks are the coolest.

        Current no, unfortunately.
        1. Field
          Field 13 December 2013 09: 46
          +5
          And how do you want it? Already an itch in one place, probably?
          At night, a dream: the Kazakhs united all the Turks and became the head of the Pan-Turkist conglomerate, destroyed the Russians. And in the morning: itching again
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 13 December 2013 09: 54
            -6
            Quote: Field
            And how do you want it?

            do not mind

            Quote: Field
            destroyed the Russians.

            Firstly, we don’t have such a goal,
            Secondly, you destroy yourself)))
            1. max702
              max702 13 December 2013 10: 50
              10
              In Kazakhstan, everything is simple, you had the OWNER of your country from the very beginning, and as a result, the same thing appeared in Belarus, everything worked out right away, in other republics they still share power as in Ukraine, or the stakes of world capital came to power as in the Baltic states. Georgia, Moldova, Russia ... Kazakhs are very lucky, but they don’t need to relax. The world’s elite needs the resources of the whole globe!
            2. CALL.
              CALL. 14 December 2013 09: 15
              0
              Who about what, and lousy about the bath. Exactly inferiority complex.
            3. sssla
              sssla 18 December 2013 12: 30
              -1
              Quote: Clegg
              Secondly, you destroy yourself)))

              Thank you, but your contribution to this is or is present to someone like
    2. Altona
      Altona 13 December 2013 09: 32
      19
      And without Russian "civilizers", where would the Kazakhs receive their education? Who would discover their deposits? What culture would they feed on? The cultural layer is such an invisible thing, but it must be taken into account ... So don't talk so derogatoryly about those thanks to whom your ass got off the horse and stopped grazing sheep ...
      1. Guun
        Guun 13 December 2013 09: 54
        +1
        After 300 years of war with the Dzungars, Kazakhs were so weakened by mutual destruction that China after the Dzungar genocide (they ceased to exist precisely because of the Chinese, and the Chinese, seeing that the role of the Dzungars decided to destroy their creation) and advanced into the steppe (I don’t know the exact number of troops ) an elite expeditionary army (the Chinese had guns and guns - the Kazakhs had very few shooters, there were no guns at all), now the Kazakhs were like Indians in St. America or would have been destroyed. The Shurshuts are what the Kazakhs called the Chinese. But having accepted the vassal citizenship of the Russian Empires, the invasion of China almost stopped. The war raging in the steppe put the Kazakhs on the verge of either surrendering or being destroyed by the Bogdykhan hydra. Russia has helped. The Kazakhs are grateful for this, but not everyone forgave dispossession - after all, the main food and wealth was meat and milk, and about greedy buys it was a myth (only relatives lived in the aul and each had its own cattle, there were no poor.) That after dispossession millions of Kazakhs died, this is a fact - they did not take into account the fact that Kazakhs did not plow the land and the result was a disaster.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 09: 59
          -9
          Quote: Guun
          Kazakhs were now like Indians in St. America or would have been destroyed.

          Destroyed ?! I talked to native-american yesterday, and who did I talk to if they were destroyed ?!

          If you wouldn’t have a pussy, you would be a woman)
          1. Field
            Field 13 December 2013 10: 07
            +2
            with the miserable remnants of an ethnic group, maybe you wanted to see your fellow tribesmen in the same quality?
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 19
              -7
              Quote: Field
              maybe you wanted to see your fellow tribesmen in the same quality?

              Why do you care? I am worried about your excessive "concern" about the fate of the Kazakh people.
              1. Field
                Field 13 December 2013 11: 12
                +4
                Quote: Clegg
                Why do you care? I am worried about your excessive "concern" about the fate of the Kazakh people

                So worried that you stick out the Russian forum?
                Kazakhs? Russian? Uzbeks? what kind of people?
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 13 December 2013 11: 21
                  -17 qualifying.
                  Quote: Field
                  So worried that you stick out the Russian forum?

                  You will tolerate me and people like me, for my grandfathers, your grandfathers who came to learn Tselina, suffered.
                  1. Field
                    Field 13 December 2013 11: 52
                    12
                    Tselin hospitals, city schools language, culture, etc.
                    endured, offended pancake
                    Does the native-american's example say anything? Experience the Difference
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                      1. Field
                        Field 13 December 2013 12: 03
                        0
                        "Announce the entire list"
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                      3. Field
                        Field 13 December 2013 12: 44
                        +6
                        Quote: Clegg
                        I’ll better go through the requirements list

                        Demand has not yet grown to demand.
              2. CALL.
                CALL. 14 December 2013 09: 30
                +1
                Actually, what are you doing here, a forum about Mandel and apartheid. One Kazakh served in my battery. We respected him, because he respected our culture, our history and did not meddle with his exceptionalism. In you Clegg says, someone unnoticed by you, skillfully cherished insult and most likely far-fetched.
              3. sssla
                sssla 18 December 2013 12: 41
                -1
                Quote: Clegg
                You will tolerate me and people like me, for my grandfathers, your grandfathers who came to learn Tselina, suffered.

                And you, my friend’s hamovaty, I’ll say one thing: if it weren’t for Russia and then the USSR, then your life would have gone on a picnic - forever in nature in the steppe and heated by dung
          2. sssla
            sssla 18 December 2013 12: 37
            0
            Quote: Clegg
            I am worried about your excessive "concern" about the fate of the Kazakh people

            And we are concerned about the excessive concern of your too exaggerated ** EXCLUSIVITY ** China already finished off the type BUT if the Russian Empire did not take under its protectorate THAT WE THE GREAT KAZAKH would have beaten the Chinese and captured 100 Chinese prisoners And this can be said 000 more times about other former republics of the USSR hi
      2. Guun
        Guun 13 December 2013 10: 15
        +6
        Did I write that the Indians are destroyed? There was nothing left compared to what happened - the buffalo were erased - the Indians were overtaken by famine and the war against them was won, and I don’t wish any people left from them.
        1. Field
          Field 13 December 2013 10: 22
          0
          You can calm down, he was born in "Europe" and still lives there))
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    3. Zymran
      Zymran 13 December 2013 10: 58
      -3
      About the Chinese, this is nonsense from the first to the last word. The fruit of Soviet and Russian propaganda. I can paint more.
      1. Field
        Field 13 December 2013 11: 10
        +3
        And what does Kazakh propaganda say? American? European?
    4. Humpty
      Humpty 13 December 2013 12: 19
      0
      January 28, 2013 22:31 | Aral number two. How China is turning Kazakhstan into a desert

      Of course, they fought with the Kalmyks (jungars) for almost 400 years, and they tell us about the 100 year war between the frogmen and the Saxons, describing it as bloody, and the Kazakhs fought for mutual destruction with the jungars! After the war, less than 1 million Kazakhs remained.

      Today, 09: 54 ↑
      After 300 years of war with the Dzungars, the Kazakhs for mutual destruction were so weakened that China after the Dzungar genocide (they ceased to exist precisely because of the Chinese, and the Chinese, seeing that the role of the Dzungars were over, decided to destroy their creation)

      Gunn, tell me, have you fought like this for 300 years, or is it still 400?

      Is this with that Dzungarian rudeness that existed from 1635 to 1758 year or with some other other Dzungars (Kalmyks) whose khanate consisted of Mongols, Kazakhs and Uighurs? Or am I confused?
      1. Guun
        Guun 13 December 2013 13: 04
        0
        300 or 400 - I can’t tell you the exact date (I can confuse), but we fought with the Oirats (they are also Dzungars) about as much, they were the left hand of the Chinese — and in 1630 they became the khanate under the leadership of Gyumuchi. And the Mongols (Mynkols - a thousand hands) - a union of nomadic tribes led by Genghis Khan if anyone did not know.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 13 December 2013 13: 38
          +2
          Quote: Guun
          300 or 400 - I can’t tell you the exact date (I can confuse)


          Quote: Guun
          led by Gymuchi


          Facespalm.jpg No offense to you, do not know, better not write. Otherwise, they are no different from local painters.
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      3. Zymran
        Zymran 13 December 2013 13: 37
        +4
        Quote: Humpty
        Is this with that Dzungarian rudeness that existed from 1635 to 1758 year or with some other other Dzungars (Kalmyks) whose khanate consisted of Mongols, Kazakhs and Uighurs? Or am I confused?


        The formation of the state does not always coincide with the formation of the people. Those. Dzungars formed their state in 1635, but as a people existed much earlier.
        Or do you think they fell from the sky this year? wink
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 13: 41
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          Or do you think they fell from the sky this year?


          No, they were trained like that.
          One person if he wants, with his own decree creates a whole people))) After all, Stalin created us in 1936 laughing
          1. CALL.
            CALL. 14 December 2013 10: 07
            -1
            And before Stalin, you did not have your own state. Khanates, hordes, haganates, zhuzes. You probably regret that your neighbors are not Americans. They would instill in you human rights.
            1. sssla
              sssla 18 December 2013 12: 45
              -1
              Quote: Z.O.V.
              And before Stalin, you did not have your own state. Khanates, hordes, haganates, zhuzes

              And they would have a state the size of the maximum with the former Moldova
        2. Humpty
          Humpty 13 December 2013 14: 30
          -2
          Quote: Zymran
          [
          Or do you think they fell from the sky this year? wink

          I don’t think that the Dzungars came from nowhere in the 1635, but they didn’t disappear anywhere, they simply called the warlike group of the united Mongolian and Turkic tribes, after the defeat their remnants began to call themselves Kalmyks, Kalmaks, Kazakhs (those who are now in China), by the Kyrgyz. These terrible wars were rather internecine.
          I believe that you will not deny that the Kazakhs, the Buruts (the Kyrgyz according to the new style) were an organic part of Dzungaria, since you lived in western Mongolia and eastern Tien Shan for a very long time.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 13 December 2013 16: 09
            +3
            Quote: Humpty
            I don’t think that the Dzungars came from nowhere in the 1635, but they didn’t disappear anywhere, they simply called the warlike group of the united Mongolian and Turkic tribes, after the defeat their remnants began to call themselves Kalmyks, Kalmaks, Kazakhs (those who are now in China), by the Kyrgyz. These terrible wars were rather internecine.


            Mess in my head. Read:

            Moiseev "Kazakhs and the Dzungar Khanate".

            http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2744654

            Zlatkin "History of the Dzungar Khanate"
            http://www.fileswat.com/file/SD581J9W4J1W1S0RSR3MJG09TxM/
    5. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga 13 December 2013 17: 00
      +3
      Quote: Guun
      The fact that millions of Kazakhs died after dispossession is a fact

      Quote: Guun
      not everyone forgave dispossession

      Not millions of Kazakhs, but probably thousands. Millions of Slavs died during this international event. The Russians did not forgive, believe me. But do not shift dispossession to the Slavs - this is not our idea. The fact that our hands were partially involved is not a reason to blame the Slavs, there were your hands. International! Mathieu.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 13 December 2013 19: 56
        0
        the fact of the matter is that millions. somewhere around 40% of Kazakhs died of starvation.
        1. Gecko
          Gecko 13 December 2013 20: 44
          -3
          Say thanks to Georgian Stalin and a handful of Jews next to him
          1. nevopros
            nevopros 13 December 2013 23: 10
            +2
            Dislike to both. Type "Goloshchekin" in Google and read.
            Well, or right away: nstarikov.ru/blog/28466.
            And to you, Gecko, in particular - for provocation and / or distortion of facts.
            1. sssla
              sssla 18 December 2013 12: 47
              0
              Quote: nevopros
              Dislay

              And what is it? Sorry, not a teenager
          2. Field
            Field 14 December 2013 09: 15
            +1
            learn history
            Stalin, he is Stalin, he is one of the largest Russian statesmen.
            A bunch of Jews went to the batch, back in the late 20s.

            By the way, your Nazarbay 1 is also from the USSR yet.
            1. Gecko
              Gecko 14 December 2013 15: 13
              0
              Damn again Russians are to blame for everything?
              Stalin is not Russian!
              And in those days, at the head there were a lot of non-Russians who did and did good things.
              And we again have to take offense for everything? The natives were at the head of the republics and the surplus appraisal was carried out by the hands of the Ukrainians and Kazakhs themselves.
              THIS IS A TRAGEDY OF ALL REPUBLICS AND NOT ONLY UKRAINE AND KAZAKHSTAN !!!
              According to the stories of my grandmother in the Volga region, for a found grain in a pocket or lining, they referred to 10 years
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 14 December 2013 15: 57
                0
                Quote: gecko
                At the head of the republics were their natives.

                Is it Goloshchekin and Mirzoyan Kazakhs?)
                1. Gecko
                  Gecko 15 December 2013 18: 30
                  0
                  Goloshchekin - Jew, Mirzoyan - Armenian
                  Dala worked all nationalities,
                  and for some reason the Russians are to blame for all sins without exception.

                  You need to understand that the revolution was muddied by Jews in Russia,
                  who drove from Germany in cars with Lenin, 80 percent of the Jews.
                  1. rock
                    rock 17 December 2013 18: 18
                    -2
                    konechno evrei a chto je vi mojete zamytit?
                  2. sssla
                    sssla 18 December 2013 12: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: rock
                    konechno evrei a chto je vi mojete zamytit?

                    And what can you do without America A?
      2. CALL.
        CALL. 14 December 2013 10: 17
        0
        Ha, the topic of the Holodomor is already being promoted in Kazakhstan. Ukrainians with this topic, as it were softer, laughed. Well, nothing new. Anglo-Saxons in their repertoire are repeated. Simple and unpretentious. Youth is very conducted.
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    1. Field
      Field 13 December 2013 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: Clegg
      I personally did not ask to build schools, universities in exchange for occupation, famine, etc.

      First, who are you to ask you?
      Do not confuse yourself with Ukraine?
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 13
        -3
        Quote: Field
        First, who are you to ask you?

        We are the owners of this land
        1. Field
          Field 13 December 2013 10: 20
          +1
          Tell Nazarbayev with a clique
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 24
            +1
            Quote: Field
            Tell Nazarbayev with a clique

            I'll tell you, first deal with Putin
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 13 December 2013 21: 12
          0
          Quote: Clegg
          We are the owners of this land

          You've messed up something. Where would you have been without the protection of Russia? Yes, and we don’t need your land, we have enough of ours. How good it was without Russia, endless pastures .... evil Russians came, set up schools, resettled Kazakhs from yurts at home, spent electricity, covered from the Chinese with the Japanese .... Life failed
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          2. romb
            romb 14 December 2013 12: 49
            +3
            They wrote garbage. When the Russians arrived, they themselves were residents of villages and villages. As a rule, the vast majority of them were dark and uneducated. In practice, all education, science and industry was given to us, not to Russia (it ended back in 1917), but to Soviet power. If the Soviets did not change the socio-economic formation, and without urgent industrialization of the country, all of us, if taken together, would still slurp cabbage soup. It is not necessary to ascribe to oneself what is the merit of another country and another people.
            1. rock
              rock 17 December 2013 18: 21
              -2
              tolko ne govorite sovetskaya vlast a to tam bili odni evrei, nedai bog chtot xoroshoe sdelali)
            2. rock
              rock 17 December 2013 18: 22
              0
              tolko ne govorite sovetskaya vlast a to tam bili odni evrei, nedai bog chtot xoroshoe sdelali)
    2. demonuga
      demonuga 13 December 2013 10: 31
      +5
      And we had hunger and dispossession. And if he didn’t personally ask for schools, then why did he study there? Just do not say that it was necessary or parents forced, the education received probably good and free.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 13 December 2013 11: 15
        -4
        Quote: demonuga
        And we had hunger and dispossession.

        I do not argue (but not on such a scale as ours or in Ukraine), let's condemn the famine and the communist regime together?
        1. Field
          Field 13 December 2013 12: 02
          +3
          National identity played out?
          Condemn those who deliberately went to the Russian Empire
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 13 December 2013 12: 17
            -13 qualifying.
            Quote: Field
            Condemn those who deliberately went to the Russian Empire

            He has long condemned everyone, including Khan Abulkhair, the Abai who propagandized an alliance with you, Shokan Walikhanov who helped in the colonization and occupation, the poet Sabit Mukanov and other Sovkodrochery informers, etc.
            1. Field
              Field 13 December 2013 12: 32
              +5
              I say Russophobe
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 13 December 2013 20: 59
                -1
                Quote: Field
                I say Russophobe

                Are you okay with your head? I condemned the Kazakhs, and here Russophobia?
                1. nevopros
                  nevopros 13 December 2013 23: 20
                  0
                  Colonization is rather a sign of island / peninsular states (England, France, Spain, SGA (- also an "island" state, since it is fenced off from real opponents by Akiyanami), etc.).
                  The only "colony" of RI - Alaska - did not turn out to be a colony in the European sense.

                  To call an RI colony a land-adjacent territory is the height of impudence. The methods of development of the "colonies of RI" do not fit into the concept of "colony".
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 14 December 2013 10: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: nevopros
                    The methods of development of the "colonies of RI" do not fit into the concept of "colony".

                    A colony is a dependent territory under the authority of a foreign state (metropolis), without independent political and economic power
                    In Soviet times, the head of the Kazakh republic could be Armenians Mirzoyan, and Ukrainian Brezhnev and Russian Kolbin. Which had nothing to do with Kazakhstan.

                    Quote: nevopros
                    To call the colony RI the territory adjacent by land is the height of arrogance.

                    Open your eyes, take off your pink glasses.
                    From the fact that Kazakhstan was made part of the state by documents, the essence does not change.
                  2. Vidok
                    Vidok 18 December 2013 14: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Clegg
                    In Soviet times, the head of the Kazakh republic could be Armenians Mirzoyan, and Ukrainian Brezhnev and Russian Kolbin. Which had nothing to do with Kazakhstan.

                    Could be of course, but who was at the helm in Kazakhstan?
              2. Field
                Field 14 December 2013 09: 16
                -1
                And you think, maybe something else will come.
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 December 2013 14: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Field
                  And you think, maybe something else will come.

                  I realized that you are a chauvinist
      2. Gecko
        Gecko 15 December 2013 18: 40
        +1
        Are you a witness to those events to say so?
        For example, I know what is happening from the stories of witnesses,
        directly to their grandparents.

        What am I supposed to present to the Georgians an account for dispossessed and repressed ancestors?
  • Clegg
    Clegg 13 December 2013 13: 58
    -2
    Quote: Altona
    your ass got off the horse and stopped grazing the sheep ...

    There was a time I grazed sheep several times in the summer, really liked it. Maybe because in the summer? In the fall in rainy weather I would hardly like it, I think.
    I never saddled a horse, I hope to try it somehow.

    Quote: Altona
    so derogatory talk about those

    I studied in institutions that were built after the 91 year, so not in my address. Be afraid)
    1. demonuga
      demonuga 13 December 2013 14: 11
      +5
      You would say that you graduated from school a couple of years ago.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 13 December 2013 14: 15
        -9
        Quote: demonuga
        You would say that you graduated from school a couple of years ago.

        why a couple, for over 8 years.
        what was outside shovel propaganda this is for good
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 14 December 2013 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: Clegg
          why a couple, for over 8 years.
          what was outside shovel propaganda this is for good

          What did your parents graduate and in what profession do they work?
          \ And who taught you at school and institute? And who are your parents by nationality?
          I don’t argue that everything was given to the USSR. But who was the driving force there? Who formed it? Who came to raise the virgin soil and simultaneously built the cities and schools in which your parents studied?
    2. QWERTY
      QWERTY 13 December 2013 18: 40
      +1
      Something I doubt that some institutions were built after the 90s ... maybe in the 2000s, but then you still study there?
  • Field
    Field 13 December 2013 11: 20
    -1
    By the way, where will the tablet come from?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 11: 26
      0
      Quote: Field
      By the way, where will the tablet come from?

      from a certain user of a live journal under the nickname obsrvr
      1. Field
        Field 13 December 2013 11: 57
        0
        No Comments
        1. Walking
          Walking 13 December 2013 13: 01
          +1
          What kind of provocateurs are here announced?
          1. Field
            Field 13 December 2013 15: 06
            0
            No provocation, polemics with Clegg
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 13 December 2013 21: 01
              +2
              Quote: Field
              No provocation, polemics with Clegg

              I noticed that the majority (certainly more than 50 percent) on this site, be Russian or Ukrainians do not know how to write correctly in Russian.
              1. Field
                Field 14 December 2013 09: 20
                -1
                I admit, because of the rush as a rule.
                But your "cow" will definitely not "bellow" about this.
                And by the way, where does this "in-depth" knowledge of the spelling rules in Russian come from?
              2. CALL.
                CALL. 14 December 2013 10: 35
                -1
                Please go to the Kazakh site. There are many educated. And tell each other about the evil Russians. Yes, the Wahhabis tried.
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 December 2013 12: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Z.O.V.
                  Yes, the Wahhabis tried.

                  Wahhabis? I do not spare them.
                  Unfortunately, we have formed two types of the fifth column, some of which cherish the alliance with you. Other Wahhabis who are for the caliphate.
                  So both species are my ideological opponents
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 14 December 2013 13: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Clegg
                    So both species are my ideological opponents

                    What religion do you profess? Understand what an alliance is? It's when everyone is comfortable and profitable. No one is forced to go there. I also do not need alliances with Kyrgyzstan, Tajiks and other bays. But instead of Russia, the Taliban will come and then you will agree with them
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 14 December 2013 13: 58
                      -3
                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      What religion do you profess?

                      none

                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      Understand what a union is? This is when everyone is comfortable and profitable.

                      Well, I'm uncomfortable in the vehicle

                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      I also don’t need alliances with Kyrgyzstan, Tajiks and other units

                      I don’t need an alliance with Russia

                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      But instead of Russia, the Taliban will come and then you will agree with them

                      OK, the main thing is that you leave.
                    2. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 14 December 2013 15: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: Clegg
                      I don’t need an alliance with Russia

                      That is why you will never sit in the place of Nazarbayev
                      Quote: Clegg
                      OK, the main thing is that you leave.

                      Excuse me, if we finish off Baikonur East and leave. We still have a playground in Guiana. And you yourself have nothing to start from it
                    3. Clegg
                      Clegg 14 December 2013 15: 54
                      -2
                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      That is why you will never sit in the place of Nazarbayev

                      I don’t have to sit in his place, the main thing is that the vector of politics has changed

                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      If we’ll finish off Baikonur East and leave. We still have a platform in Guiana. And you yourself have nothing to launch from it

                      Hurry up, they lingered too long.
                      Together with the Ukrainians, we will launch Zeniths, otherwise I don’t like your Protons.
                    4. Vidok
                      Vidok 18 December 2013 14: 48
                      0
                      I'm from Ukraine. And believe me, the next fifteen years (or even more) you and Ukraine will not start anything ... well, if only Chinese lanterns.
        2. sevtrash
          sevtrash 14 December 2013 12: 41
          +2
          Quote: Clegg
          I noticed that the majority (certainly more than 50 percent) on this site, be Russian or Ukrainians do not know how to write correctly in Russian.

          Take a look at your own comments first.
  • Klim
    Klim 13 December 2013 18: 35
    +4
    A false list, all industry was destroyed and all natural resources were sold to foreigners, recently everyone except Kazakhs was drilled in Atyrau, Karaganda metallurgical Indians were sold to Aktau by some foreigners as well, and then they wonder why people went to rest in Zhanauzen
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 19: 00
      +1
      the table is compiled by a Russian
      1. Field
        Field 14 December 2013 09: 22
        0
        Quote: Clegg
        the table is compiled by a Russian


        Doesn't even need comments
      2. CALL.
        CALL. 14 December 2013 10: 41
        +1
        Simple and tasteful. In all troubles, either Russian or Stalin is to blame. Goebels machine runs smoothly, without days off and holidays.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 14 December 2013 12: 36
          -3
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          Goebels machine runs smoothly, without days off and holidays.

          Do you want the putinoid machine to work?)))))
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 14 December 2013 12: 44
            0
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Z.O.V.
            Goebels machine runs smoothly, without days off and holidays.

            Do you want the putinoid machine to work?)))))


            Maybe you want your mind to work? Although after the "explanation" of the above plate, one should not hope.
    2. romb
      romb 14 December 2013 01: 12
      +1
      Just do not bring everything to the point of absurdity. Have you forgotten the state of our industry in the recent past? Indeed, there were many mistakes; now, at the very least, the situation is getting better.
      Almost all over the world work in Atyrau. The majority of foreigners are in service companies and in management structures of various international consortia. There are several positions that are traditionally occupied by foreign specialists: individual burmasters, drills and pomburs using "native" high-tech "machines" - (Uralmash does not channel), an engineer of oilfield (oil and gas) equipment, responsible for environmental safety and transportation of hydrocarbons, etc. At the same time, the overwhelming majority of them are concentrated in several large companies (associations of legal entities), such as: Agip KSO, TCO, Halliburton, Maersk, Schlumberger, BP, SNPS and Sinopek, etc. The reason is simple - PSA, FPSA, (exploration, production, transportation, etc.) service / post-service contracts are concluded in such a way that very serious liability for violation or non-performance / improper performance of their contractual obligations is imposed on the subsoil user, agent, performer sanctions, including in matters of reimbursement of historical costs and distribution of final profits. This is where it turns out that it is better for these companies (overbidding than shortfall ...) to overpay and attract high-class specialists than to then have long-term friction with central government agencies.
      Laborers from the Filipinos and Indians do not count, they are pulling their own. They have their own mafia there)))
      Karaganda metallurgical Indians sold

      I myself am not delighted with this Indian. But in this particular case, I think, one should proceed from the principle: "out of two evils, choose the lesser." In the nineties, the leadership of Karmet and separate groups of comrades from among those who wanted to steer the plant actually brought him to the handle. This was followed by a lengthy process of reorganization of the enterprise, during which a lot of people were killed, including several bankruptcy and rehabilitation managers. Later, Mittal surfaced, and the company began to slowly recover from the crisis.
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 13 December 2013 20: 43
    0
    What the hell? Blend something with something. Absolute numbers, please also provide. If 1 kilowatt was and then it became 2 - then will there be a 100 percent rise? Or vice versa.
    It would be nice to have some kind of interpretation, at least from a representative of the indigenous nation, if not from the author. Not to mention the reality of the numbers - on the basis of what did they make up?
    Falling energy consumption - population or enterprises? If the latter, then how many of them were in each country before, how many were closed, which ones? After all, the main consumer is enterprises.
    It's the same with theaters. Measuring economic development (or culture in kilowatts) with theaters is cool. Absolute number please, ranking is necessary - either the "one actor" theater or the Moscow Art Theater.
    As for fertility - in Africa breed hoo! - so, then they are economically very developed or inveterate theater-goers?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 21: 03
      0
      sevtrash
      written at the top of the table
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 13 December 2013 21: 36
        -1
        Quote: Clegg
        written at the top of the table


        What's written at the top? Absolute numbers? Interpretation in the form of "is this an objective process"?
        Have you read my comment or what?
        What is your name plate? Absolute, undistorted, unsubstantiated evidence of something there?
        "The table was compiled by a Russian" - who is this? Many people live in Russia. Famous economist, theater-goer, electrician?
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 22: 25
          0
          Blogger, the nickname is written there, you can go to the live journal website and ask.

          Will I have to explain everything? Perhaps the first year you use the Internet?
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 13 December 2013 22: 44
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            Blogger, the nickname is written there, you can go to the live journal website and ask.
            Will I have to explain everything? Perhaps the first year you use the Internet?


            This means that you can’t explain, can’t you? Well, not surprised. Why then put this plate in if you yourself do not understand it?
            And, probably, you have been using the Internet right away since 1991? It’s also clear.
  • Hort
    Hort 13 December 2013 08: 58
    +6
    British Queen Elizabeth II called Mandela a symbol of the new South Africa.
    symbol of degradation
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 13 December 2013 11: 45
      0
      And today she (Elizabeth II) "burned" her guards for stealing nuts! I drew a strip in the cup! laughing
  • Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 13 December 2013 09: 01
    +8
    White emigrated to South Africa. Walks around Johannesburg, thinks what to do, there are no entertainments. Looks goes white. He stops him and says: “Listen, how are you having fun here?”
    He says: - New, right?
    - Yes! How did you guess?
    - Yes, there are no entertainments, except for the cinema. Go to the cinema.
    - Thank!
    He comes to the cinema, looks worth a turn from the blacks. He sits down in a tail standing.
    White goes by and says:
    - New, huh?
    - Yes! How did you guess?
    “But who is behind the blacks in line?” You go to the ticket office, there they will give you a ticket out of turn.
    Comes for sure give. He enters the cinema, sits on the ground, sits.
    Passes white and says:
    - New, huh?
    - Yes! How did you guess?
    - Foolish head, well, who is sitting on the ground? We are white sitting on the balcony.
    He climbs onto the balcony. Sits. Itch for $$ at. He turns to a seated white man and asks:
    - And where do you go for $$?
    He says: - New, right?
    - Yes! How did you guess?
    He says: - Yes, we don’t go anywhere, we are $$ right from the balcony.
    - What are you ?!
    He unfastens his fly and starts $$ on his head at the bottom of the seated black man.
    He raises his head and says:
    - Are you a brand new chtoli?
    - Yes! How did you guess?
    - Don’t do everything on me! You spray, spray!
    1. Normman
      Normman 13 December 2013 21: 43
      0
      What an old joke! I heard him as a kid in 70's :)
  • Asgard
    Asgard 13 December 2013 09: 05
    +6
    Man and the State ????
    The author compared the personality of Nelson Mandale with the state of the South African economy, Yes, the state has degraded, the "animal" component of blacks does not allow the development of industry, the "engineering" sectors of the economy, with the "white apartheid" - the numbers were somewhat different))) Wait they live on the potential times when WHITE WORKED AND MANAGED, and blacks (in the ghetto)) did nothing))) and attempts to make them work were called "apartheid"))))

    Budichi Negroid, Nelson of course tried to make his tribe EQUAL - "white" People,
    he believed that harassment by skin color was unworthy of the developed State. The very conditions for the coexistence of two VARIOUS RACES were built incorrectly .....
    Who of you will say right away that the blacks (again)) must be driven into the ghetto, and EXCLUSIVELY WHITE put in control of the COUNTRY ????
    I’m not Kuklus-Klanovets, but I think that Negroes for the most part are lazy people (in the opinion of the Creator Man)) and hard workers, if you look from the perspective of an animal)))
    THEY OTHER man-shaped, but among them there are People !!!!!
    Nelson Mandela - One of them!He also defended the whites from his "blacks")))
    Did not arrange apartheid of the White Boers))))

    In the modern world, everything is confused, it's difficult to figure it out, Putin was not allowed to attend the funeral in South Africa, the "elite" of the White race gathered there, He wants to go to this get-together (once he went to the South African mission, to express condolences)))), but they DO NOT LET him there. ....
    Question,
    -Does Vladimir Vladimirovich need to be among the "captains" of the dying world of capitalism ??????
    Can start building the Russian World ????
    And not to climb into the dying formations of the EU, WTO, to call those "partners" who really humiliate))))))))
    The head of the State of Gifts ... Eh .....

    Now about the Soviet Union, the parallels in South Africa are incompatible, a different TYPE of relations, the "blacks" we have are somewhat different, and we "tamed" them differently (humanly)))) here Nelson Mandale is simply impossible ...
    We have Kadyrov (a tame monkey)) who has become insolent and will surely bite the "Master"
    We have a lawyer who promises to "pour blood on Moscow" ...
    We have Jamal, who urges us not to beat all Caucasians for a single (cit.)) Russian death ...

    Nelson had misconceptions, Like Happiness is with US, but Mandela was a MAN, he DIED and urge you to be People ..... Either way ...., or GOOD.
    The article is controversial, in HUMAN's opinion, but as an occasion to recall Nelson Mandeilu again, I assess it positively. Although it is formulated incorrectly. Incomparability of People, government, policies, conditions, ratings, actions ....
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 09: 13
      0
      Quote: Asgard
      Now, regarding the Soviet Union, the parallels in South Africa are incompatible, there is a different TYPE of relations, the "blacks" we have are somewhat different, and we "tamed" them differently (humanly)))) we have Nelson Mandale simply impossible ...
      We have Kadyrov (a tame monkey)) who has become insolent and will surely bite the "Master"
      We have a lawyer who promises to "pour blood on Moscow" ...
      We have Jamal, who urges us not to beat all Caucasians for a single (cit.)) Russian death ...

      The whole problem is that White came to Black lands.
      1. Field
        Field 13 December 2013 09: 23
        +6
        Or maybe that black rod in the land of white?

        And maybe Pan-Turkism hit someone in the head together with "national identity"?
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 09: 28
          -6
          Quote: Field
          Or maybe that black rod in the land of white?

          When it comes to Tajiks or Uzbeks, I am silent, but if it is about Caucasians, then I have questions.

          Quote: Field
          And can Pan-Turkism hit someone in the head?

          What does pan-Turkism have to do with it?
          1. Field
            Field 13 December 2013 09: 41
            +3
            Quote: Clegg
            What does pan-Turkism have to do with it?


            With your comments
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 02
              0
              Quote: Field
              With your comments

              belay I only answered your questions.
              1. Field
                Field 13 December 2013 10: 12
                +3
                Let's talk to you, our friends are different, as I understand, and "from the throat" are not familiar.

                All your comments, not just here
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 17
                  -4
                  Quote: Field
                  Come on you

                  No, I will be on you. And how to contact me is up to you.

                  Quote: Field
                  and "from the throat" are not familiar.

                  I do not drink finally.

                  Quote: Field
                  All your comments, not just here

                  What hurt you in my comments? Show comments
                  1. Field
                    Field 13 December 2013 10: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Clegg
                    I do not drink finally.

                    Similarly
                    Quote: Clegg
                    What hurt you in my comments? Show comments

                    nothing, this is my personal subjective assessment of your comments
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 26
                      -1
                      Quote: Field
                      this is my personal subjective assessment of your comments

                      So close the topic of pan-Turkism?
                      1. Field
                        Field 13 December 2013 11: 15
                        0
                        It's up to you, it comes from your comments.
                      2. Clegg
                        Clegg 13 December 2013 11: 44
                        -3
                        Quote: Field
                        It's up to you, it comes from your comments.

                        ya budu o nih pisat 'kogda budet takaya vetka.
                2. Vidok
                  Vidok 18 December 2013 16: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Quote: Field
                  Come on you
                  No, I will be on you. And how to contact me is up to you.

                  Quote: Field
                  and "from the throat" are not familiar.
                  I do not drink finally.

                  You are a sir boor with large complexes, apparently. And as they say in Ukraine: "Lyudyna kotoro ne pie and ne kure abo sick, abo padlyuka" (Humor, here you can start, if not laugh, then at least smile)
  • alex-s
    alex-s 13 December 2013 11: 50
    +2
    I don’t think that Putin had a ticket for this funeral! Something out of the Czech prime minister from such happiness did not jump from joy!
  • Normman
    Normman 13 December 2013 21: 50
    0
    I think that Putin is deliberately playing, giving the country an opportunity to prepare, gain strength. Can't you hear how diligently he pronounces the words "our partners". Well, he would have knocked his boot on the podium, would it have been better?
    1. Vidok
      Vidok 18 December 2013 16: 46
      0
      I support. And besides everything else, there is such a thing as diplomacy.
  • maratenok
    maratenok 13 December 2013 09: 08
    0
    resume civilization mission. Russia should return to the Caucasus and Central Asia as the “head of the house”. At the same time, restore the Soviet system of upbringing and education in Russia itself.
    no one will let in a chapter (who wants to lose his place in the government), but it needs to be a friend to countries
    for me, it reminds me of the USSR, well, they let democrats and liberals into power and all the PPC, it makes no sense to write, you can just look out the window
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    3. skullcap
      skullcap 13 December 2013 14: 02
      +4
      Quote: maratenok
      It is impossible to isolate oneself from “barbarism”. There are two scenarios: 1) or surrender, as white South Africans did, and the “wall” option, fences, visas, etc., is also surrender, but stretched in time. Sooner or later, a wave of archaization from the South will crush all the wreckage of a higher civilization; 2) resume civilizing mission. Russia should return to the Caucasus and Central Asia as the "head of the house."

      And the second way is better or preferable?
      Vaughn Clegg is outraged in full voice. It turns out that he did not ask him to civilize. And everything that the Russian people gave to their fellow tribesmen has absolutely no value for him (and many others of the same kind), except for harm. If there were no Russians (in his eyes, colonialists and exploiters), he (and all Kazakh people) would live much better and happier.
      These proud and brave guys are confident that the industry, and science, and art, the Kazakhs without Russians would have created and developed much better. And Faithful, and Tselinograd, they would have immediately built as Alma-Ata and Astana. And everything that the Russians built in Kazakhstan, by justice, belongs to the merits of the exclusively titular nation. And the Russians only interfered. With their presence alone they humiliate the ancient and great people, trying, moreover, from time to time to appropriate the works and merits of others.
      It is regrettable to admit, but the second way is no better than the first.
      We remember our Soviet past with bright hope. But how much does it fit our memories?
      Yes, the Soviet people have done great things. But if you take a closer look, you will see that under the name of the Soviet people all these accomplishments were carried out by the labor of Russians (Russians - in the broad sense of the word: Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians) people. Russian from the Baltic to Chukotka and from Yamal to Kushka built factories and factories, schools and kindergartens, theaters and universities, hospitals and clinics, cities and space centers. And the other nations favorably accepted all this, because the Russians were working everywhere.
      At the same time, the overwhelming majority of other peoples of the USSR acted in their national interests, waiting for the right moment to declare their complaints.
      As soon as the Soviet Union was destroyed, the Russians immediately and practically EVERYWHERE turned out to be occupiers, people of the second or third class, or even completely, people were not considered. And, in retaliation, they have everywhere been subjected to all kinds of discrimination, extrusion and, often, direct physical destruction. And what they had created on the national outskirts was declared the historical accomplishments of the titular nations.
      Everything happened as YD Petukhov wrote in the Scheme of degeneration of the centers of civilization. For those who are not familiar with it, I will give below a separate comment.
      And do not think that something will continue to change. It must be admitted that all nations are competing for survival, and all (except Russian), moreover, the struggle for domination over other nations. And specifically to civilize and develop them means to give them additional opportunities in terms of achieving dominance over their neighbors, including (and, perhaps, first of all) over Russians.
      So the question arises: to what extent is the second path proposed by the author more accurate than the first, if in the end it leads to the same final?
      The first option with barbed wire and mines at least gives time for recuperation and the hope that the neighboring ancient and great tribes will cut each other at least partially.
      1. Vidok
        Vidok 18 December 2013 17: 26
        0
        A strong koment ... But ... Under the Soviet Union, when I served in the army, I, Ukrainians, Bulbashs, Labuses, Azeri, etc. called those who stuck out their nationality, the rest were equally Soviet. No one tried to suffer from Nazism.
        In the Soviet period, due to the prevalence in quantity and due to the fact that for the whole world around us we were all "Russians", the main merits were assigned to the Russians.
        Quote: kosopuz
        the achievement of dominance over neighbors, including (and, perhaps, in the first place) - over Russians.

        And the so-called "achievement of domination" is engaged in a handful of mentally unbalanced, not very smart people, weighed down by inferiority complexes.
    4. skullcap
      skullcap 13 December 2013 14: 02
      +3
      The scheme of degeneration of the centers of civilization.
      Representatives of other tribes and clans gradually penetrate into a civilized and wealthy city-principality with a more or less homogeneous composition: as slaves, workers used in hard work, servants, soldiers, bodyguards, porters, then small and medium-sized traders, criminal and semi-criminal elements ,,,
      Under the walls of the city there are nomadic camps of wild tribes, somehow getting inside ... over time, slaves who received freedom, workers, merchants settle in cities with large families, multiply, warriors reach certain posts in the army or guard, etc. - the percentage of “outsiders” becomes more and more, there comes a period when it reaches “critical mass” - and power passes into the hands of an alien element, which brings its own language, traditions (“nepotism”, “cronyism”, the system of “baksheesh-bribes”, "Fraternity", "clan-mafia", the spread of moral norms, "commandments" only for relatives and the perception of the main indigenous people: a) "cash cow", b) by a hostile tribe, etc.), while preserving part of the cultural achievements absorbed them civilization forcing the remaining inte tual, priestly and administrative circles pervoetnosa perform a new "social order" and to serve the new government, which leads to a revision (revision) of a political, ethnic history, mythology, etc. in favor of the new "ethnos" and its rulers. The history of this “ethnos” is made old by the history of peraoethnos, some of the gods of the old mythology are given new names ...
      The changes are not of a cardinal nature, for the reason that the cultural level of the new “ethnos” is, as a rule, primitive, it has almost nothing of its own to offer in return. Almost everything “new” for the new ethnos is being developed by intellectuals (priests-magi, chroniclers, astronomers, scientists, writers and poets ...) of the primary ethnos, before whom the choice is presented: either to “integrate” into a new society or death.
      The result is a "new culture" in the old place. And the original priority mythology, writing, science, culture is applied a lot of artificial, compilation and "cultural" layers (for example: the original myths of Schumer from the Flood to Shalmanasharr and the compilation "old testament" of Jews from the same flood to Solomon the king). It creates the appearance of a “new civilization”. Over time, the wanderers destroy the inheritance they inherited. –The civilization is fading away.
    5. CALL.
      CALL. 14 December 2013 10: 53
      0
      The union will go only to the strong and fair and on a voluntary basis.
  • IGS
    IGS 13 December 2013 09: 17
    +2
    Maybe Mandela was a good man, but he was a romantic and utopian. Those for whose rights he fought ... laughed at him, at the poor, with his humanism, and having come to power, they quickly began to make bonfires from tires with white inside, hiding under the totemic sign with his face. With good intentions, the road is lined with hell. Mandela deserves regret, but not reverence.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 14 December 2013 11: 01
      0
      The romantic is a terrorist. However...
  • Field
    Field 13 December 2013 09: 35
    0
    Quote: Clegg
    about Caucasians, then I have questions.

    ask

    Quote: Clegg
    And can Pan-Turkism strike someone in the head? What does Pan-Turkism have to do with it?


    Could be mistaken, maybe Russophobia, maybe in Europe you want very much?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 07
      0
      Quote: Field
      maybe Russophobia,

      I have a Russian girlfriend, maybe I'll marry her. Am I Russophobe?
      It is necessary to distinguish politics from everyday life.

      Quote: Field
      maybe in Europe you want a lot?

      Maybe right now you will laugh, but I was born in the European part of Kazakhstan. I am geographically already in Europe.

      Quote: Field
      ask

      When there will be a branch about Caucasians ask))) If they do not ban me)))
      1. Field
        Field 13 December 2013 10: 18
        0
        Quote: Clegg
        I have a Russian girlfriend, maybe I'll marry her. Am I Russophobe?

        I also had a Kazakh girlfriend, but I’m not talking about that

        Quote: Clegg
        It is necessary to distinguish politics from everyday life.

        And I'm talking about that, only where is the politician, so nonsense on the forum.

        Quote: Clegg
        Maybe right now you will laugh, but I was born in the European part of Kazakhstan. I am geographically already in Europe.


        Well, what’s cool of course, let’s you miss the EU there.
        And tell us about Europe east of the Caspian Sea, otherwise they won’t believe it.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 23
          +1
          Quote: Field
          I also had a Kazakh girlfriend, but I’m not talking about that

          Let me not accuse you of Kazakhophobia.

          Quote: Field
          And I'm talking about that, only where is the politician, so nonsense on the forum.

          I agree, I did not put it correctly. I had in mind that my political views should not be confused with everyday nationalism.

          Quote: Field
          Well, what’s cool, of course, let's go to the European Union

          This should be decided through a referendum and bilateral negotiations between Kazakhstan and the EU.
          The position of Russia does not matter.

          Quote: Field
          And tell us about Europe east of the Caspian Sea, otherwise they won’t believe it.

          Believe it or not, somehow violet
          1. user
            user 13 December 2013 23: 45
            -2
            Clegg KZ Today, 10:23 ↑
            Believe it or not, somehow violet

            It certainly is, only the basics of geography need to know. And then you and Mongolia with China will also become Europe.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 14 December 2013 10: 16
              -1
              Quote: user
              And then you and Mongolia with China will also become Europe.

              What is it like? or blurted out? Waiting for an explanation
              1. user
                user 15 December 2013 05: 44
                -1
                Well, if Kazakhstan is Europe, then why is Mongolia not?
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 15 December 2013 11: 05
                  +1
                  user you along with geography are not friends
                  1. user
                    user 15 December 2013 18: 40
                    0
                    Yes indeed, Clegg wiped me off.
                    Honestly, I did not know that 14% of the territory is officially registered in Europe.
          2. Field
            Field 14 December 2013 10: 10
            0
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Field I also had a Kazakh girlfriend, but I'm not talking about that. I didn’t accuse you of Kazakhophobia.


            That would be weird least if not stupid
          3. CALL.
            CALL. 14 December 2013 11: 07
            0
            Ask about Bulgarians and Greeks about Europe. They will tell you about prosperity and gay parades.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 14 December 2013 12: 03
              0
              Quote: Z.O.V.
              Ask about Bulgarians and Greeks about Europe.

              No, why should I ask them. I already asked Irlanka, Englishwoman and Austrians. They say everything is normal and good with them.
  • Altona
    Altona 13 December 2013 09: 46
    12
    Now you read about the past, and it seems that before we belonged to another civilization, which is now lost ... the USSR, South Africa, Iraq, Libya, had some kind of program for the development of its scientific and technical potential ... And now? Now they are admiring the backward Chinese lunar rover at the forum, forgetting that 40 years ago we studied Venus with automatic stations and 4-bit computers ...
    1. Field
      Field 13 December 2013 09: 48
      +4
      And now where to snatch something for free ...
      consumers
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 13 December 2013 09: 47
    +4
    Gad Niger.
  • Altona
    Altona 13 December 2013 10: 03
    +3
    Quote: Clegg
    What do you care? These would be our problems.
    I personally did not ask to build schools, universities in exchange for occupation, famine, etc.

    ---------------------------------------
    I personally did not occupy or train you ... What are the complaints? Well, if China soon occupies you, then do not complain ...
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      Well, if China soon occupies you, then do not complain ...

      Have agreed
  • Semurg
    Semurg 13 December 2013 10: 06
    +2
    and no matter what, in comparison, Gandhi and Mandela both fought against white colonialism only in different wrappers. Both prevented the massacre of the white sahibs. India went through wars with neighbors and the collapse and civil war. South Africa did not fall apart and did not fight with its neighbors. The British massively left India, lamenting that stupid Asians would drift everything. South Africa should go its own way of life without sahibs, a fall when changing the social system is not inevitable, USSR citizens have experienced this in their own skin, and racist approaches are clearly visible in the article and even better in comments.
    1. Field
      Field 14 December 2013 10: 14
      -3
      It seems that after reading "South Africa", they think "Kazakhstan", reading "blacks" and "blacks", they get "Kazakhs"
      1. romb
        romb 14 December 2013 11: 36
        +3
        Please forgive me, but it seems to me that it is you who have some unhealthy suspiciousness. wink
        1. Field
          Field 14 December 2013 13: 17
          0
          Yes, I was simply surprised by the abundance of commentary about the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan in the topic of Mandela and South Africa. wink
          1. romb
            romb 14 December 2013 13: 35
            +2
            So you yourself have contributed quite well to this. hi
            For example, why insert about Kazakhstan, when Semurg directly pointed to the situation in South Africa?
            Or you have a kind of life principle:
            Question: - Do you see jerboa?
            Answer: - No!
            Summary: - And he is there! wink
      2. sevtrash
        sevtrash 14 December 2013 16: 09
        -1
        Quote: Field
        It seems that after reading "South Africa", they think "Kazakhstan", reading "blacks" and "blacks", they get "Kazakhs"

        Soul affinity?
  • Professor
    Professor 13 December 2013 10: 10
    +4
    The apartheid regime was not confused only by Israel, which built a similar system, preventing the masses of Arabs and Negroes from dissolving the Jews, simultaneously destroying the relatively cultural and socio-economic well-being of the Jewish state.

    Rave. Arabs in Israel sit in parliament, are ministers, live in Tel Avia, Jerusalem, run the largest hospitals, etc., etc.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 10: 29
      -4
      Quote: Professor
      Apartheid’s regime didn’t confuse only Israel,

      What did not bother is the fact

      Quote: Professor
      Arabs in Israel sit in parliament, are ministers, live in Tel Avia, Jerusalem, run the largest hospitals, etc., etc.

      Maybe
    2. CreepyUknow
      CreepyUknow 13 December 2013 11: 14
      0
      And it has always been so ?? What you described, only Netanyahu thought of.
      1. Professor
        Professor 13 December 2013 11: 16
        +3
        It has always been that way. Arabs sat in the Knesset always and always went to universities at the same bench with the Jews. So what is apartheid?



    3. user
      user 15 December 2013 05: 47
      0
      You also tell us about human rights in the occupied territories.
  • Kashchei
    Kashchei 13 December 2013 10: 45
    +4
    Mandela was, of course, a "beacon" for blacks. like many other national leaders of the past and present, but the result of his transformations is not very impressive. Rollback in all spheres of life .... Isn't this the result of nationalism? There is only one way 2) to resume the civilizing mission. Russia must return ........ as the "head of the house." At the same time, restore the Soviet system of upbringing and education in Russia itself. But here is a big problem: the modern liberal-democratic, capitalist system is not capable of this. It is necessary to "reboot" the entire system, to restore the socialist model ... ... Any other policy reminds the dogs bickering in the alley for a juicy bone (yacht, villa in Florida, Bentley, etc.)
  • pRofF
    pRofF 13 December 2013 10: 47
    +6
    To the author +. I completely agree with him. Mandela would have been more useful if he continued to remain in prison. Another question is that the States, which in Africa have a strong and self-sufficient state did not rest anywhere, would still find a symbol, not Mandela, so different. And now - you can buy gold and diamonds, as well as other resources from blacks for nothing, who live with momentary and tribal concerns, not at all thinking about tomorrow. And once again, this whole situation proves a simple thing: blacks can and can work, they can even fight well (if not to say) (Lettv-Forbek corps, Selous Scouts), but only on one condition - if the boss is white. And this is not racism. This is an objective fact.
  • officer29
    officer29 13 December 2013 10: 56
    +4
    Quote: Clegg
    Maybe right now you will laugh, but I was born in the European part of Kazakhstan. I am geographically already in Europe.


    Wow! fellow There is a piece of Europe in Kazakhstan! Just like in Turkey! Only there is the Bosphorus Strait, and in Kazakhstan is the Ural River (Yaik)! In principle, it is possible to carry out European integration. love
  • Plato
    Plato 13 December 2013 11: 09
    +2
    The West did not need a strong country in South Africa. A whole region was closed for their goods, and even part of South America collaborated with South Africa.
    In addition, buying raw materials from illiterate blacks is much more profitable by selling them outdated weapons and ammunition. The West, or rather the USA, will not allow anyone to develop successfully. They not only drove Russia, South Africa and Iraq into the Stone Age, but they also pulled Europe into it.
    Which American politicians were interested in Yugoslavia? Many of them did not even know where she was. But as an opportunity to destabilize the situation in Europe, it came up very well. For Russia, this is Chechnya, the Muslim belt - Tataria, Bashkiria and migrants from Central Asia. These are the problems, coupled with the persistent degradation of our economy, industry, and education by our unfortunate rulers. Finish Russia completely. Kremlin sitters if they learn a lesson from Mandel’s rule, then this lesson will be how to accelerate the destruction of our country.
  • CreepyUknow
    CreepyUknow 13 December 2013 11: 10
    +2
    I do not agree with the author about the idea of ​​Russia getting out of a similar situation. Tell me, did the Russians come to the Caucasus and Asia only with advice ?? They spread their civilization there during the Empire, and, moreover, successfully. Only 1917 stopped this process and planted a time bomb. So why roll back to socialism ?? As an ideology, he only mimics Christianity. We must return to the pre-revolutionary system.
    1. Field
      Field 13 December 2013 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: CreepyUknow
      We must return to the pre-revolutionary system.

      With King Vladimir 1?
      1. CreepyUknow
        CreepyUknow 13 December 2013 16: 09
        -1
        Not necessary. But I do not see more capable people at this moment in time.
        1. True
          True 14 December 2013 07: 11
          +1
          Quote: CreepyUknow
          But I do not see more capable people at this moment in time.

          Excuse me, "Are you or the enemy?" Minus definitely!
        2. Field
          Field 14 December 2013 10: 15
          0
          Choices without Choices?
  • kair_kz
    kair_kz 13 December 2013 11: 11
    +3
    how did you get the stupid natsik. we need a Union, without repeating past mistakes !!!! why the return of "civilizers" in the role of "head of the family" ??? as long as we share ourselves, we will be weak. it is necessary to define people by their actions, not by skin color and origin. I'm sure Russians themselves have done more harm to Russia than Asians have ever done.
    1. pRofF
      pRofF 13 December 2013 13: 09
      +9
      Let me explain. If the country, our country is a common home, then someone should be in charge? The main thing is not in the sense of "oh, I am the most important, everyone must obey me!" And in the sense that someone takes responsibility: for development, for progress, for the economy, for everything. Whoever said anything - the backbone of any OUR state - from Muscovy to the Union were Russians. This does not mean that others are nothing, no one, and do not know how to do anything. Not at all. But it was precisely what the proud sons of the Caucasus and the steppes did under the powerful influence of Russian culture. This, in principle, is exactly what the article is about. In the 90s, the Russians chased the "Western myth", the country abandoned - I hope temporarily - the role of the cultural and civilizational engine, which it was. The result is the archaization of the Caucasus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc. Creeping Islamization - and in the most negative sense of the word - they are also for total Sharia, Salafis. It has already been said - "White man's burden". White does not mean yet - colonizer, oppressor and robber. The Russians weren't like that. Never. We very well "colonized and plundered" the lands we came to - leaving behind roads, dams, dams, universities and cities!
  • Viktor191956
    Viktor191956 13 December 2013 11: 31
    +6
    A very good and objective article, it so happened that over the past 2 years I have been able to visit South Africa twice. Traveled most of the country, with the exception of the Durban region, whites want to leave the country, but not everyone succeeds, they live more or less quietly in the Cape Town area, generally in the north-west (Hermanus, Langebaane). Only in these cities I I have not seen high fences with barbed wiring and still under voltage, but only because there are few colored ones, if they are, they are local. But for example, in Johannesburg, there are a lot of alien blacks from neighboring countries. About Mandela: do not forget what exactly he, together with Tambo, created a terrorist organization "spear of the nation" (as part of the ANC) - with the explosions of power lines, and this organization also invented the "necklace"!
  • mechanic driver
    mechanic driver 13 December 2013 12: 04
    +2
    Quote: Clegg
    Quote: demonuga
    And we had hunger and dispossession.

    I do not argue (but not on such a scale as ours or in Ukraine), let's condemn the famine and the communist regime together?

    Well, you don’t know the story well, including the Holodomor. But I live in the Volgograd Region and I know about the Holodomor from witnesses and not from books and articles. The famine was in 20 30 46 and dispossession was terrible. A good harvest was born, and nobody cleaned up who died of starvation whom they deported. It came to the point that the NKVD went to the toilets and looked at what they were pooping.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 13 December 2013 12: 04
    +3
    [quote = Ascetic] After the final overthrow of the white government of South Africa in 1994:
    - Casrils held the position of deputy. Minister of Defense from 1994 to 1999 screenwriter as deputy Minister of Defense ?! Familiar picture in Russia.
    - Arthur Chaskalson was appointed Supreme Justice of the Constitutional Court of South Africa (1994 - 2005)
    [quote] "On January 29-30, 2007, public hearings were held in Moscow on assessing the reaction of the Russian Federation to the threat of terrorism and the impact of anti-terrorism legislation and practice on the human rights situation and on legislative norms.
    The organizers are Memorial, the Moscow Helsinki Group, the International Commission of Jurists (Geneva), the Committee against Torture (N. Novgorod), the Demos Center, the Center for the Development of Democracy and Human Rights. The chairman of the panel of experts is Arthur Chaskalson."[/quote]. Our people in Hollywood
    link
    Albi sax - Member of the Constitutional Court since 1994. He became the author of the law (2006) on same-sex marriage in South Africa.
    Jewish activists and white institutions
    Among the documents found during the arrest of the terrorists were the "Operation Mayibuye" plans and the "Umkhonto we Sizwe" ('MK') organization scheme.
    Operation "Mayibuye" was developed by the special services of France and Great Britain and had as its goal the destruction of South Africa as a state. It was fully implemented after 1989. The deeply conspiratorial "MK" group was responsible for the individual and mass terror. It was she who was headed by Mandela. Moreover, he continued to lead and lead it while in prison, when the most high-profile crimes were committed.
    for Great Britain and the United States in the middle of the 20th century, Mandela in South Africa was the same as Dudaev and Basayev were in Russia in the 90s and early 00s in Russia, and they were fighters for the freedom of the peoples of the Caucasus oppressed by imperial Russia. What happened to South Africa after Mandela came to power? The whites were cut out. as it was done with the Russians in Chechnya. And behind all this you can see the ears of the "world globalizers"In South Africa, the "globalizers" tested the then new ownership technology Not to ensure control of the entire country and the presence of a happy white population, but to work with local bandits, and to ensure control and security of pinpoint individual strategic objects, such as kimberlite pipes and gold-bearing quarries, mining of uranium and rare lands.
    So soon the whole world will be ruled that we are observing in the Middle East.

    The recent proposal of deputies from "SR" to rename the station "Voykovskaya" in honor of the deceased fighter against apartheid Nelson Mandela can only be understood as a mockery. The request was signed by deputies Alexander Ageev and Mikhail Serdyuk. [quote] “Humanity has long recognized the fact of the execution of the royal family. <...> The well-known revolutionary Pyotr Lazarevich Voikov took part in the organization of this atrocity ", [/ quote] - the spravorosy explained their request. Symbolically, do you know the internationalist-regicide to exchange for a terrorist.
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  • Viktor191956
    Viktor191956 13 December 2013 12: 24
    +2
    And Mandella was the winner of the Lenin Prize (he received the Nobel Prize after passing the white population to De Klerk and Botha for organizing a terrorist organization ???)
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 13 December 2013 12: 24
    +7
    To call Mandela a humanist? .. Well, so you can draw an analogy with Vlad Tepes (who is Dracula). The latter, however, put things in order and the state collected while in a hostile environment, but Mandela, however, collapsed, however, what had functioned quite successfully before him.
    Therefore, I consider the comparisons made in the article biased. Incomparable countries, situations, and personalities are compared. It's like measuring a Russian bear in African parrots ...
    The coming to power of Mandela is the victory of militant tribalism in South Africa over the idea of ​​statehood. Unnecessary the state to the overwhelming majority of blacks. Oh, sorry, African-Africans ... The interests of the tribe and clan are in the foreground, even among the most advanced.
    A small sketch:
    In 1992-93, several decently speaking Russian "merchants" from South Africa came to Russia, who traveled to the regions and recruited police officers to work in South Africa. Moreover, the emphasis was on openly power units (riot police, SPM of private security). Moreover, these "merchants" did not even disguise themselves strongly, and in some departments meetings with them took place immediately after service meetings on the day of pay or after employment training.
    In general, 10-12 people left our regional administration. According to the merchant who spoke with us besides us, Russians (Tatars, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, etc.) also invited Yugoslavs (mainly Serbs and Croats) and Germans (those from the GDR). The guys left.
    We failed. "Neither assily." It's gone too far.
    By the way, not one of those who left did not return. Still, they remained there, or subsequently left for Canada, someone left for the Legion in France.
    ***
    Apartheid had to be gradually "bleed off", like excess steam pressure in a boiler, for at least three generations, and not by a willful decision to transfer power in the ANC country, read, to the black population, divided into tribes that fought among themselves.
    And, in general, in principle, Rudyar Kipling's "Burden of the White Man" is still relevant. Especially if by "white man" we mean the bearer of civilization, culture and scientific knowledge about the world ...
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 14 December 2013 11: 41
      0
      It was not a task to bleed apartheid slowly. The task was set to destroy the competitor.
  • smoliackow
    smoliackow 13 December 2013 13: 50
    +3
    In the conclusion of the article, the author suggests that Russia "reboot" into socialism, as if for 70 years there were not enough of its own mandalas and experiments on the people, socialism is a long-time-tested utopia, it is not possible to make everyone equal by force, it will be like in South Africa most oppresses the smaller part of the population, there is only one way out, to return to the historically proven path of Russia, the monarchical system.
    1. Field
      Field 13 December 2013 15: 11
      -1
      How will we choose a king?
      Who will be the monarch, will we inherit the kingdom?
      1. CreepyUknow
        CreepyUknow 13 December 2013 16: 13
        +1
        Here you can just choose Putin you bring, and then we'll see. I think his rule will be more effective if it is really a monarchy (not constitutional, etc.)
        1. Field
          Field 13 December 2013 19: 44
          0
          Quote: CreepyUknow
          Here you can just choose Putin

          Yes, not me, you.
          All the same, choose, and for how long, let me know? How is this different from what is now?
          It’s not fashionable to be called king, tsar or khan at all - presidents are all
  • Glagol
    Glagol 13 December 2013 14: 59
    +2
    The author, of course, is right. Bright future -
    it is a balance between right and duty
    The white race to be a leader and her skill is not
    slide into fascism.
  • pupkin70
    pupkin70 13 December 2013 15: 37
    10
    Terrorist.
  • Black
    Black 13 December 2013 15: 44
    +2
    Is this dementia or how ?? Well, not against the background of the coffin ...
    However, Black has his own lotions ... some danced and sang, these celebrated like this ...
  • Black
    Black 13 December 2013 16: 00
    +1
    The essence of the article is clear. Emotions are contradictory ...
    The trouble is that the black middle class in South Africa was not created, i.e. not formed as a result of a relatively long period of time and the targeted economic efforts of the government, but was simply mechanically appointed by order of the administrative seizure of posts from the white middle class and the distribution of those to representatives of the black population. And they lived in the commune for centuries — one is working, the other is jerking ... t, the third or twentieth flea drives that it is mined, it shares fraternally. And im- op and right !!! And these rights are perceived as the right to write to the elevator shaft. (Young Caucasian women feed around Moscow and beat out from traumatic injuries !!) Yes, yes !! parallels.
    But this does not mean that someone has to live behind a thorn, on a reservation, you need to survive it ... no one called for whites, they themselves came, signed ...
  • anton 42
    anton 42 13 December 2013 17: 27
    0
    Quote: Clegg


    Sorry, but the truth smiled, the European part of Kazakhstan)
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 18: 55
      +4
      Quote: anton 42
      Sorry, but the truth smiled, the European part of Kazakhstan)

      No problem, study geography))) Thank you to this site right now we are in the European football organization. We play shitty of course, but still we are there)))
  • Stinger
    Stinger 13 December 2013 18: 20
    0
    Well, Obama is clear. Under one palm tree rose. And ours something?
  • tanit
    tanit 13 December 2013 20: 04
    +1
    Asgard.
    I really didn’t think that I would be in solidarity with you one more time. (First, when you deny someone’s nonsense on behalf of a person who personally participated about the landing in Kosovo.)
    For the rest, well .... I am quoting you (approximately by posts) - "in the fall everything will start the Olympics will not be" ...
    Winter is already, however. wink
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 14 December 2013 00: 08
      0
      Well, we can tighten)))
      The situation is, in principle, unmanageable, in various places they are trying to seize it, In the European Union, in Ukraine, In the US Congress (a decree was prepared about the February default)) China began to behave aggressively (it declares its territories unmotivated))) ... around Syria, some sort of sluggish "preparing the situation")))

      In general, it’s somehow strange, maybe some other scenario began to be implemented ....
      Or rather not, the same scenario, but according to a different plan (so far there is little information), but the "projects" have stalled (I can't say why))))
      Well, read the posts, It will be visible for m-c, Two, I will try to share the forecast, but the most important thing is that "THEY" do not come up with them there, they have NO options to stay "on horseback" .... NO intelligence, NO resources (and melt every day)))
      There will be a Big Boom until the number TELL (when)))))
  • tanit
    tanit 13 December 2013 20: 13
    +1
    Fidel will die - will we hear the same about him in local comments? Mandela was not an enemy of the USSR, was not an enemy of the Russian Federation. Not been, or bet ?. And if there wasn’t - and the words of sorrow over the death of the neurot - this is politeness (at least).
  • Clueless
    Clueless 13 December 2013 20: 15
    +1
    By the way, who doesn’t know, in South Africa you can’t stop at red at night, even more - it is not recommended if there are few cars on the road - they will robbery
  • tanit
    tanit 13 December 2013 20: 19
    0
    And who is off course - at night traffic lights and not in South Africa blink yellow in all directions. Yes, and who the hell will stop (not even in South Africa)
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 13 December 2013 21: 06
    -1
    It is not entirely clear why some "representatives" of indigenous nationalities are so buggy? During the Soviet era, the Slavs were the sled horses on which everything was held. We would calculate how much money went to the same Kazakhstan in per capita terms and to Russia, for example, and in relation to the volume / value of the goods produced, including by the hands of the indigenous nation and by the hands of other nations in the same Kazakhstan.
    Not happy with what they built and created during the USSR? So destroy and go back to the roots, what problems.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 13 December 2013 21: 10
      +2
      sevtrash
      Why are you buggy? I kind of wrote nothing about Ukraine, at least on this thread.
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 13 December 2013 21: 46
        0
        Quote: Clegg
        Why are you buggy? I kind of wrote nothing about Ukraine, at least on this thread.

        It’s buggy, but I’m commenting. But what, is it impossible?
        And what about you? From a lover of counting theater seats per capita of the born electrified population is not comme il faut. Tobto Moveton. In short, something like that.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 13 December 2013 22: 19
          +3
          I will write you, no matter what you think. Maybe Moveton, I’m not going to play comme il faut with a person from the Internet, whom with a probability of 99,9 I will not see in real life.

          in short, goodbye!
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 13 December 2013 22: 48
            -1
            Quote: Clegg
            I will write you, no matter what you think. Maybe Moveton, I’m not going to play comme il faut with a person from the Internet, whom with a probability of 99,9 I will not see in real life. in short, goodbye!


            The expected statement from a height of a highly cultural representative of an indigenous nation, a theater expert. Not at all surprised.
  • tomich
    tomich 13 December 2013 21: 12
    +2
    Nelson Mandela was one of the most prominent human rights activists during apartheid. In 1948, the National Afrikaner Party won the election, which supported apartheid. Then Mandela began to take an active part in the political life of the country. This year, he graduated from Witwaterda University. First, Mandela became the national secretary of the ANC Youth League, in 1949 - a member of the National Council of the ANC, in 1950 - the national president of the ANC Youth League. Mandela became one of the organizers of the Disobedience Campaign, initiated by the ANC. He also participated in the organization of the Congress of the People, which adopted the Charter of Freedom. It outlined the basic principles for building a free and democratic society in South Africa. In addition, in 1952, Mandela and his friend Oliver Tambo created the first law firm led by blacks. Mandela and Tambo provided free or cheap legal assistance to Africans.
    Non-violent struggle has not yielded results, and an armed campaign has begun in Africa. Mandela managed to raise money abroad and organize non-military training for wing members. The armed wing of the ANC “Umkonto ve sisve” (translated from the Zulu language as “spear of the nation”) launched a guerrilla war in which many people suffered. After that, Mandela and his associates were denied entry to the United States, and after that they were completely arrested. He spent 18 years in prison on Robben Island.
    Even while in prison, Mandela managed to pay attention to the problem of attitudes towards black people and become world famous. On Robben Island, all those serving time were divided by skin color, while blacks received the smallest portions of food. Journalists constantly paid attention to the situation in the prison and put significant pressure on the South African authorities, using the slogan “Free Nelson Mandela!” In their publications. (translated from English - “Free Nelson Mandela!”). Mandela's release from prison in 1990 was broadcast live around the world. He made a speech to the nation that a non-violent struggle for the rights of black people is needed. After his release, Mandela returned to the post of leader of the ANC, and from 1990 to 1994, the party took part in the negotiation process to abolish the apartheid regime. Its result was the holding of the first national elections on a racial basis. In 1993, for all the achievements, Mandela was given the Nobel Peace Prize.
    In 1994, the ANC received 62% of the vote. On May 10 this year, Mandela officially assumed office of the President of South Africa, becoming the first black resident of the country in this post.
    As president, Mandela has undertaken many important reforms for the country. In 1994, he introduced free medical care for all children under six years of age, as well as pregnant and lactating women. 500 hospitals were repaired and built. Access to water was provided to 3 million people.
    Much has been done in the utilities sector. During the reign of Nelson, Mandela built 750 thousand houses in which 3 million people settled. More than 3 million people have connected to telephone networks; electricity has become available to 2 million residents.
    Expenditures on the education sector increased significantly (by 25% in 1996/1997, 7% in 1997/1998 and 4% in 1998/1999). Mandela introduced compulsory education for African children aged 6-14, free food was provided for three and a half million students.