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"A little great power"



Still scales Stories always kick kicks right.

For example, at some point (the end of 80x), the population of Russia was convinced that the “American way of living” (conducting foreign policy, safeguarding their interests, ensuring the stability of elites through a simulation “game of democracy”, monetary stimulate social competition) is the best and right.

Well, the gullible Russians grunted, spat, harnessed, and in 20 years learned the American way of action. The “dollar pump” has not yet been built, but otherwise they have consistently made themselves cannibals no worse than the overseas model.

But it seems that yesterday’s instructors do not really like how well the student learned their lessons?


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Interview with Edward Lucas (editor of the International Politics section of The Economist magazine, political consultant, author of the book "New Cold War: Putin's Russia and the Threat to the West")

E. Lucas - If you look from the point of view of geopolitics, the main task is to make Ukraine retain its independence. This will be a catastrophe for Europe, for the whole world and of course for Ukraine if Ukraine turns into the second Belarus. If integration is as strong as between Russia and Belarus.

A. SAMSONOVA - And why would actually be such a disaster?

E. LUCAS - Because we already have very serious security problems due to the Russian-Belarusian exercises West-09 and West-13, which rehearsed the invasion and occupation of the Baltic countries. And practiced a nuclear attack on Warsaw. And Belarus has 10 millions of people, but there may be similar integration with Ukraine, which has 40 millions of people, and this will make the EU’s already too weak military security even more vulnerable. So these are just our interests. If we cannot protect the Baltic countries even now, and Ukrainians will start helping Russia in the same way that Belarus is helping now, it will be just very dangerous for us. So this is important from a security point of view. But there are other reasons.

After the war in Georgia, after the systematic integration of Russian and Belarusian military forces and weapons in the Western European part, we began to worry. And now we have plans, it seemed to us that the exercises did not need to be carried out. Just enough plans. And then we saw the teachings of West-09, extremely frightening behavior. They saw an increase in the number of weapons. We saw simulations of air attacks on Sweden, which is really scary. After all, Sweden does not have an air force that would work 7 days a week 24 hours a day. And one fine Friday, Russian military aircraft will block the Swedish air defense radar, and make a training attack on the headquarters of the air defense forces. And you have to be crazy so as not to worry about it. Especially if you live in the Baltic countries. So we need to protect the Baltic countries, and this is becoming very difficult. Latest american Tanks left Europe. Most European countries do not have many, and they do not spend so much money on defense. Russian defense spending is growing, our defense spending is falling.

But Russia is a mixture of heavy weapons and dirty money. They invest in our media, in our politicians. And besides this completely black money, there is also absolutely legal trade, legal investment, but all these attempts have a common motive to divide the West, divide Europe and America. Reduce political cooperation among European countries and allow Russia to get what it wants. Confrontation with Russia becomes inevitable. We do not need a policy against Russia, but we must try to protect ourselves. But still, I would like to return to Ukraine. Of course, there is our interest. In that she did not join the Russian army. But I would also like to think about the 40 millions of Ukrainians who deserve more, exactly the same as the Russians deserve better. They do not deserve to be ruled by gangsters. This is wrong, they are bad people, they steal money, keep their countries in isolation, we should have not only selfish, but also altruistic interest in making the life of Ukrainians better. They deserve free media, the rule of law, political competition, civil society and all the things that we have.

A. SAMSONOVA - Good. Thank. We return to Ukraine. Can we say that Putin won, and European politicians lost?

E. LUCAS - Yes, of course I won. Le Monde wrote about it correctly. Putin made a checkmate in Europe. We are trapped, we do not want the Ukrainian economy to go bankrupt. We do not want it to be controlled by Moscow. Yanukovych will not do anything. We have no policy in Ukraine.


***

In order not to get up twice: people often ask how patriotism can be combined in one head, the Soviet system of values, and the joy for certain successes of “thieves Russia and Putin oligarchs”.

Can. Great at. Try to let this joy into your life. This is not nonsense, not a sin or a betrayal of ideals. This feeling of the flag. For example, in Dorenko:

- I always told my employees and said one phrase: I love my country, and besides, I always accept it as it is. I say, such a country with a capital letter: I accept her as such, I love her as such, and I am ready to fight for her. So that my children, my grandchildren and all other descendants could live in my country. Proceeding from this, I will consider the territorial integrity of the country to be the main priority, and later on I will take note of the fate of world democracy, the fate of the Russian intelligentsia, and so on. That is, we are a patriotic station, in a sense.

Well now there is no Red Empire, - and there is no button, pressing which, it can be returned, either. But in the continuously growing boundaries, and with the building up of social guarantees, for the first time, the Tricolor will suit me.

And then we'll see what means of our Empire to implement our imperial goals.

The country will need commissioners - there will be commissioners, and dirks with Mauser. Personally grandfathers fasten. And brokers with brokers will be needed - for example, Wall Street and City will howl when Russian Capital, with the support of the imperial KGB think tanks, opens the door to them with their foot, and seize the bulls with bears for the testicles.

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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde 11 December 2013 07: 05
    12
    Because we already have very serious security problems due to the Russian-Belarusian exercises West-09 and West-13, which rehearsed the invasion and occupation of the Baltic countries.is the diagnosis along the way
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 11 December 2013 07: 17
      +6
      Quote: avant-garde
      . is the diagnosis along the way

      A way of life, or a hungry coupe- .......... and further in the text laughing Well, this individual, Lucas, judging by the more frequent symptoms (the first was the "news" of Ukraine's entry into the Customs Union), obvious paranoia due to the wear and tear of the brain in "difficult" childhood. Alexander, hi
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 11 December 2013 07: 25
        +2
        Good morning to you hi , in exactly paranoid, he immediately writes about 40 million Ukrainians who will make the already weak military security of the EU even more vulnerable and immediately says that they deserve better, felts pissing, felts wishing people good what lost in life "comrade" campaign No.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 07: 30
          +7
          Quote: avant-garde
          lost in life "comrade" campaign

          Why, you both say, if Europe has been ravaged for centuries from Russia for the most part, they will forever remember it. And he knows that if the Russians come, he will be suspended for one place. This is a fear of the inevitable, like an animal's instinct.
          Hi all, hi
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 11 December 2013 07: 38
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            for centuries Europe has been raked from Russia to the most

            no hell was flattery yes.
            Good morning hi
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 11 December 2013 21: 25
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: avant-garde
            lost in life "comrade" campaign

            Why, you both say, if Europe has been ravaged for centuries from Russia for the most part, they will forever remember it. And he knows that if the Russians come, he will be suspended for one place. This is a fear of the inevitable, like an animal's instinct.
            Hi all, hi

            - Your holy duty of the terperich after voicing Lucas’s expectations - to justify these expectations with interest! After all, the Russians have never failed? So try not to fail this time - people are very hopeful and waiting for them ... well, that same ... how is it? laughing laughing
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 11 December 2013 07: 22
      -4
      The country will need commissioners - there will be commissioners, and dirks with Mauser. Personally grandfathers fasten. And brokers with brokers will be needed - for example, Wall Street and City will howl when Russian Capital, with the support of the imperial KGB think tanks, opens the door to them with their foot, and seize the bulls with bears for the testicles.

      So, the article of the hereditary commissioner - the Mauser is not yet attached, only a serpent forked tongue for deceiving the masses and mobilizing for another war.
      "Putin won" - it means the Ukrainian military-industrial complex will fight for Israel ... under slogans and music.
      1. domokl
        domokl 11 December 2013 07: 39
        +1
        Quote: Volkhov
        "Putin won" - it means the Ukrainian military-industrial complex will fight for Israel ... under slogans and music.

        A classic article on kidding brains ...
        Who will say that this editor-in-chief is right? Nobody, even the most pro-Western oriented one. Who will say that I do not like Russia? Everyone loves, and we, even how funny it sounds, are Americans and Europeans ... Who wants to get worse situation in Ukraine? Nobody ...
        Only the conclusions are made completely in the opposite version. It turns out not Russia can and will help Ukraine now, but Europe. Not the Russian leaders say that this is an internal affair of Ukraine, but someone else ... And are Russian politicians illuminated on the Maidan?
        No, no and no. The position of our country is completely (I didn’t think what I’m writing) that corresponds to the position of President Yanukovych-Ukraine will join the EU when this entry will not be mortally dangerous for the people of Ukraine and its economy ..
    3. Canep
      Canep 11 December 2013 07: 24
      +3
      But I would also like to think about 40 millions of Ukrainians who deserve more, just like the Russians deserve better.
      They have already thought about the 7 millions of Bulgarians, and they are not happy with the fact that they are taken care of, boomed and worried.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 07: 24
      +4
      This will be a disaster for Europe, for the whole world, and of course for Ukraine, if Ukraine turns into a second Belarus.
      Well, we’ll put it not for the whole world, but for the EU and the USA.

      E. LUKAS - Because we already have very serious security problems because of the Russian-Belarusian exercises West-09 and West-13, which rehearsed the invasion and occupation of the Baltic countries. And practiced a nuclear attack on Warsaw.
      Well, what nonsense, we are partners laughing

      But still, I would like to return to Ukraine. Of course, there is our interest. That she did not join the Russian army. But I would also like to think about 40 million Ukrainians who deserve more, just like the Russians deserve better. They don't deserve to be ruled by gangsters.
      It seems that five minutes passed and he forgot that he said what he said earlier.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 11 December 2013 07: 33
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, what nonsense, we are partners

        Sasha, take it easy .... in the west, under the word partners, they mean completely different things, laughing Hihi
    5. mirag2
      mirag2 11 December 2013 07: 24
      +1
      Yes, what nonsense. This reptile is the instigator of the Cold War.
      It would be better to recall how they almost imposed sanctions against Belarus, how they almost put Lukashenko on a par with Saddam and Milosevic, but how did they end? Should Belarusians be afraid, not the Baltic states.
      With the Balts, and fight something in a scum, even if we want, because we can only destroy them economically in 3 weeks.
      And we live guided by OUR national interests — NOT EUROPEAN, and we also want a better life for Ukrainians — therefore, in a friendly and neighborly way, we advise: remember, what happened in the USSR at 90m was also promised in 5 years ....? So think. They thought, what claims?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 07: 31
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        It would be better to recall how they almost imposed sanctions against Belarus, to

        As it was not introduced, a lot of sanctions against Belarus. The last dictator of Europe laughing
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 11 December 2013 07: 49
          0
          They entered all the same, but I first wrote or "entered?" yes deleted, forgotten ...
    6. predator.3
      predator.3 11 December 2013 07: 32
      +3
      Indeed DIAGNOSIS, and rather the same as that of the former US Secretary of Defense James Forrestal, on March 8, 1949, due to the mental crisis, Forrestal was removed from his post and five days later was placed in the National Naval Medical Center. It was officially announced that the former minister had “nervous and mental exhaustion,” but his doctor, captain George Raines, diagnosed him with depression. During an illness, according to unconfirmed reports, Forrestal repeated: “Russians are coming, Russians are coming. They are everywhere. I saw Russian soldiers ”, and with these words he rolled out the window!
    7. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 11 December 2013 10: 18
      0
      He’s not just a piss in life, he’s afraid that not tolerant Russians give him tarpaulin boots on his blue pope.
    8. Max otto
      Max otto 11 December 2013 10: 35
      0
      Quote: avant-garde
      Because we already have very serious security problems due to the Russian-Belarusian exercises West-09 and West-13, which rehearsed the invasion and occupation of the Baltic countries.is the diagnosis along the way

      This is not a diagnosis, this is an overdose.
    9. Rusich51
      Rusich51 11 December 2013 18: 32
      0
      The country will need commissioners - there will be commissioners, and dirks with Mauser. Personally grandfathers fasten. And brokers with brokers will be needed - for example, Wall Street and City will howl when Russian Capital, with the support of the imperial KGB think tanks, opens the door to them with their foot, and seize the bulls with bears for the testicles.

      Respect to Shakhov, the geyropa did not depart from the delirium of the Cold War.
  2. kair_kz
    kair_kz 11 December 2013 07: 20
    +1
    ... but all these attempts have a common motive to divide the West, to divide Europe and America.- Naturally, in a new multipolar world, we need an independent Europe, as an independent center of power, and not as an ovsk litter
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 December 2013 07: 49
      +2
      Quote: kair_kz
      we need an independent Europe as an independent center of power

      You are right. We need an independent Europe, and not a springboard to attack us. Our history is too long and our memory has not disappeared. As soon as Europeans begin to rot, the fields near Berlin or Paris are covered with the graves of Russian soldiers. Enough rescue work for us.
      And the Americans, in my opinion, are now like that pike that grabbed a larger fish than it can eat. And it can’t swim and can’t let it out .. Teeth are stuck. Therefore, they lose in the same Ukraine. Because they surrender in the most mean way Israel.
  3. vlad0
    vlad0 11 December 2013 07: 27
    +2
    Well, when such ardent Russophobes, like E. Lucas in a panic, it means we are going in the right direction. It was much worse when this audience clapped our hands against the backdrop of the collapse of the economy and the army (sorry, democratization).
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 December 2013 07: 53
      +1
      Well, yes, when we disposed of our nuclear trains, etc.-and they, as a thank you to the movie, shot a movie with Schwarzenegger (red heat) and Clinton Yeltsin patted him on the shoulder. It’s good, kind of how good you are.
      1. alone
        alone 11 December 2013 19: 02
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        Well, yes, when we disposed of our nuclear trains, etc.

        You are right of course. But there is one but the nuclear trains destroyed 2003-2007. It was much after the pat, not to mention the red heat.
  4. rpek32
    rpek32 11 December 2013 07: 28
    +1
    And one fine Friday, Russian military aircraft will block the Swedish air defense radar, and make a training attack on the headquarters of the air defense forces. And you have to be crazy so as not to worry about it.


    You have to be crazy to think that Russia needs Sweden. laughing
    Article clearly +. The day began with a positive good
  5. nalexx
    nalexx 11 December 2013 07: 32
    +2
    Russian defense spending is growing, our defense spending is falling.
    While their falling costs fall to the level of our growing, it is not yet known how much time will pass. crying
  6. makarov
    makarov 11 December 2013 07: 36
    +1
    "..we don't want the Ukrainian economy to go bankrupt .."

    I repeat once again, the Ukrainian economy, like industry, has long ceased to exist; there is the economy of Yanukovych, Akhmetov, Firtash, Kolomoisky, etc. From here it becomes incomprehensible what kind of "economy" the "fucking expert" is talking about? The people hoped that the West and the Americans would shame Janek by freezing the oligarchs' capitals, and they would have "devoured" him themselves ... but the sons of bitches do not go for this, apparently they are tearing Ukraine apart ...
  7. dobrik10
    dobrik10 11 December 2013 07: 44
    +2
    Where does the star-striped and decaying Europe come from a sense of patriotism, since the whole story of its marauders
    were they ?!
    They robbed and humiliated other nations throughout their history!
    For some reason, associations arose with such characters as the sherkhan and his henchman the jackal, the first even has the same striped suit ...
  8. saag
    saag 11 December 2013 07: 48
    0
    It seems that Lucas says what they want to hear from him, but reality may differ.
  9. alexng
    alexng 11 December 2013 07: 57
    0
    Something this Lucas, or rather "goryushka onion", but better in Russian "evil", not everything is in order with the adequacy and it seems the head is completely packed with cockroaches.
  10. kaktus
    kaktus 11 December 2013 08: 25
    0
    Is that the MOST Lucas? Sure, it's time for Mr on a long vacation wassat
  11. shinobi
    shinobi 11 December 2013 08: 30
    0
    I wonder why he still has not repeated that senator? It's time to yell "Russians are coming" and jump from a skyscraper.
  12. albert
    albert 11 December 2013 08: 43
    0
    Strange, this Lucas did not say anything about the Chinese. But they also push forward. Poor Westerners, all the bad things are yet to come.
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  14. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 December 2013 12: 05
    0
    Quote: "... And one fine Friday Russian warplanes will block the Swedish air defense radar, and make a mock attack on the headquarters of the air defense forces ..."

    Эit's called: Western paranoia in action. So you can characterize the quote from the statement of the editor of the American magazine. The cynicism of this scribbler is obvious. Only very recently, Russian politicians did not allow these Americans to bomb Syria. American bombs are falling all over the world. And this American is "trembling with fear" from a possible training attack by Russian planes on Sweden. Cynicism, cynicism a thousand times America's cynicism in all these words!
  15. Ross
    Ross 11 December 2013 12: 06
    0
    Quote: Canep
    But I would also like to think about 40 millions of Ukrainians who deserve more, just like the Russians deserve better.
    They have already thought about the 7 millions of Bulgarians, and they are not happy with the fact that they are taken care of, boomed and worried.


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  16. Umnichka
    Umnichka 11 December 2013 13: 56
    0
    Geyropa sick. It is a shame for the Ukrainians, they shout "thank you" to the European politicians on the Maidan. Infantilism and stupid nationalism with a great desire for someone else's blood - if it is good to give on a sniff, all this crap will scatter faster than its own screeching. It is disgusting and ashamed of these maydanutyh ... They make a revolution. Goldfinches.