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What does Goltz praise Serdyukov for?

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What does Goltz praise Serdyukov for?Well-known specialist in the field of military aviation Georgy Shibanov in his article answers A. Golts, who expressed regret over the appointment of A. Serdyukov to an unimportant post.


The magazine Ogonyok No. 471 from 2 in December 2013 published an extensive article by A. Goltz under the rubric “Military Education Returns to the Past” with the intriguing title “Reform, around!”. In it, the author, in passing, expresses his sympathy to A. Serdyukov regarding his appointment as “the director of a microscopic scientific research institute intended for testing agricultural machinery”. Of course, according to his previous specialization, it would be logical to employ him in a large furniture business or, given his successful experience of creating and managing Oboronservis OJSC for selling the assets of the Russian Ministry of Defense, to create a new so-called state corporation for him and E. Vasiliev Russia. But for some reason, the country's leadership underestimated the organizational talent of A. Serdyukov and his appointees E. Vasiliev and S. Hursevich.

Mr. A. Goltz very much liked the reform of A. Serdyukov and one of his favorites, E. Priezzheva, regarding the breakdown of the military education system, first of all, with its cardinality and wide scope. In accordance with this reform, the number of higher military educational institutions was reduced in one fell swoop from 68 to 18 plus 15 branches. At the same time, they are geographically located from the main institutes of higher education at a distance of thousands of kilometers and are in no way connected with each other in the curriculum. Mr. A. Goltz was very impressed by the fact that this reform potentially allowed a significant increase in the number of privates (soldiers and sailors) per officer.

He unequivocally asserts that “officers are needed to command someone,” and if to proceed only from this, then there should be as many lieutenants as there are platoons for 30-50 soldiers in each platoon, captains - how many companies, majors and lieutenant colonels - how many battalions, etc. However, Mr. A. Golts generally agrees with the statements of the Supreme Commander that "the armed struggle will take on an intellectual character." But at the same time, he does not think that such a struggle can be effective if it is conducted not mainly by ordinary soldiers and sailors, but by highly educated officers using robotic combat systems and such equipment that only a well-theoretically trained officer can master.

At the same time, the methodological issues of combat use must be constantly improved; the appearance weapons of the future, develop tactical and technical tasks and requirements for the development of intelligent weapon systems, solve problematic issues of its operation and maintenance in combat readiness, accompany the design processes of combat systems in the design bureau and monitor the quality of their manufacture at the defense enterprises of the country, conduct state tests of new weapon systems, scientifically substantiate ways to dispose of weapons that have spent their resources and contain highly toxic elements, etc. etc.

All these problematic issues can be solved only in the relevant research and test organizations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and other security agencies. Their positive decision is unthinkable without personnel officers with the highest theoretical training and experience in the military, and these are captains, majors, lieutenant colonels and colonels, the number of which, if they so desire, cannot be strictly linked to the number of soldiers and sailors.

It seems that all this was not taken into account during the implementation of the “Serdyukov reforms” and led to the 4 year of their holding to such negative consequences, which now take years to correct. I will touch only one type of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that is closest to me - the Air Force.

Thanks to the reform in the field of military education, conducted under the leadership of A. Serdyukov, one of the representatives of his “harem” E. Priezzheva, now we have to think about the fact that the shortage of experienced pilots in domestic airlines is compensated by hiring pilots of foreign firms. Prior to this reform, the lack of flight personnel in civil aviation could be compensated for by leaving experienced pilots and navigators to the reserve, who graduated from higher military schools and gained rich practical skills in service in combat units of the Air Force and other law enforcement agencies.

During the years of the “Serdyukov reforms”, a number of the oldest flight schools were liquidated, the rest were turned into branches and turned into branches. The Higher Aviation Engineering Schools located in Irkutsk and Tambov, all aviation technical schools, were disbanded. A. Serdyukov and E. Priezezhevoy raised their hands even to the main forge of military aviation engineers - the Air Force Engineering Academy. NOT. Zhukovsky. It was first converted into the Military Aviation Technical University, then returned to it the status of the Academy, reducing the period of training from 5,5 to 4 years, and then combining this academy with the Air Force Academy. Yu.A. Gagarin and, having crushed the entire educational and scientific laboratory base that had been created for decades, relocated the resulting conglomerate to Voronezh. At the same time, more than 90% of all professors, doctors of science remained in Moscow and Monino. All the department heads at the age of 40-45 years who had impeccable health and military rank of colonel resigned.

The doubt expressed by Mr. A. Goltz that the remaining 33 military schools scattered throughout Russia will not be able to provide a high level of education does not stand up to scrutiny. In particular, the higher military aviation engineering schools that were disbanded by A. Serdyukov and E. Priezhezhevoy, located in Irkutsk and Tambov, trained engineers who in practice showed their identity to those engineers who graduated from the VIAI them. N.E. Zhukovsky.

This is evidenced by the fact that more than 50% of officers in the Air Force research and test organizations of the Air Force are graduates of these schools. At the same time, more than 30% of them have advanced degrees, at least, a candidate of technical sciences. Unfortunately, many of them, after 20, have been running into industry for years, and there is no one to replace them. Therefore, not from the good life of the war department entered the State Duma with the proposal to extend the life of officers for five years. This is not what the officers themselves are asking for, as Mr. Golts claims, but the command concerned that the higher military educational institutions, research and test organizations of the Russian Defense Ministry have been drained of blood by the Serdyuk reforms that you praise.

The so-called "peripheral" universities (in the terminology of A. Golts), which are proposed by the Minister of Defense, Army General S.K. To transfer Shoigu from the category of branches to the category of independent military schools, were and are the only ones in the country for the specific training of officers. For example, Syzran Higher School of Pilots trained and trained helicopter pilots mainly for army aviation, Balashovskoe - pilots for military transport and bomber aviation, Stavropol pilots and navigators for fighter aviation of air defense, etc.

All created under the reform of A. Serdyukov and E. Priezzhevoy “10 of large scientific and educational centers” are artificial formations, in which they tried to combine already with a hedgehog, which resulted in barbed wire enveloping the entire system of military education and science.

It is time to restore the country's military education system, which has not yet been completely destroyed, and in striving for this we can only welcome the adopted by Russian President V.V. Putin and Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General S.К. Shoigu decisions that were announced at a meeting on the development of military education in the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School.
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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde 11 December 2013 07: 32
    22
    Mr. A. Goltz really liked the reform of A. Serdyukov and one of his favorites25 years with confiscation for aiding traitor to the motherland am
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 December 2013 07: 43
      23
      I'm afraid to make a mistake, rather I'm afraid not to make a mistake - "Ogonyok" is from the same clip as "Moskovsky Komsomolets", these are people united by one idea, like those on "Echo".
      ps plus Nosik's internet conglomerate. am
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 11 December 2013 13: 17
        +4
        these are people united by one idea
        You correctly noticed, this is the fifth column. hi
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 11 December 2013 07: 43
      +7
      What are 25 years old? Only shooting !!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. Canep
      Canep 11 December 2013 07: 45
      +3
      Quote: avant-garde
      25 years with confiscation for aiding traitor to the motherland
      Forward, Serdyukov needs to be identified in the state-owned house, and with this everything seems to be thought out, he will be released from liability under amnesty.
      1. Sunjar
        Sunjar 11 December 2013 09: 08
        +5
        This tiplo would have said so right away that Russia should not have an army at all, well, and Russian is also natural. Why the hell, they say, these Russians are here to us: they are always dissatisfied with something, and then all of a sudden they will get together and begin to disperse all the badags.
        In general, let them all say what they think, let them not be shy in choosing words and in expressing their vision of the future of Russia. It’s good when you know your enemies by face and by name.
        Then it will be fun to see how they start scattering in the corners. Right in front of me a picture from "Panochka" rises, when at dawn all the evil spirits began to scatter: someone had time, someone did not, and the dead witch still showed her true guise (it turns out that she is not so young and beautiful).
        Waiting for the dawn. And before dawn, everything is always darker ...
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 11 December 2013 09: 47
          +6
          Quote: Sunjar
          Waiting for the dawn. And before dawn, everything is always darker ...

          And why dawn then? Well, we replaced one figure with another, the policy remained the same. Even now, an amnesty was invented so that Serdyukov would not be imprisoned, he would of course be condemned "for negligence" and even a type of imprisonment, and tomorrow under the presidential amnesty - "with a clear conscience to freedom!" Take another post.
          Quote: Sunjar
          Waiting for the dawn. And before dawn, everything is always darker ...

          And the fact that it’s been dark in your eyes for a long time does not mean that the sun will rise soon - in general, it’s a wrong analogy, the sun itself rises without your participation. So in essence, you are encouraging you to sit and do nothing. Remember Lenya Golubkov? wink
          1. Sunjar
            Sunjar 11 December 2013 09: 55
            +3
            Do not worry so. Before dawn, you can still kill a lot of dishonesty. Sitting is optional. In general, I have night vision goggles, so in my eyes there is always a clear picture, regardless of the time of day.
        2. COBOK
          COBOK 11 December 2013 10: 29
          +2
          It is correct to write with "batogs", and to act correctly is not to disperse, but to hang.
        3. Ptah
          Ptah 11 December 2013 12: 23
          +1
          Quote: Sunjar
          A picture from "Panochka" rises right in front of me, when at dawn all the evil spirits began to scatter: some had time, some did not, and the dead witch showed her true appearance (it turns out that she is not so young and beautiful).

          Yes, we understood the allegory. good
          But there are questions about the analogies with the characters .... what
        4. gardener
          gardener 12 December 2013 01: 44
          +1
          I would like to ask you, dear Sunjar, and other "commentators":
          And have you read the original, so to speak, text, i.e. article by A. Goltz (http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2352189?isSearch=True)?

          In it, in particular, the following paragraph impresses:
          “... the program of the three most prestigious American academies is not too different from the programs of the best American universities. And all army wisdom lieutenants master at the end of the academies, in special training centers. As experience shows, the only way to learn how to learn, to learn new rapidly changing technologies. But this skill is the guarantee of victory in a future war ... "

          From some of the texts here (or just fervent cries) - it is difficult to judge whether their authors studied at all anywhere other than in .... After all, even with their native Russian they are not always able to cope. And without this, not a single thought, if any, cannot be expressed. And mastering the profession is difficult.
          And therefore, from the start, amicably and cheerfully set off into primitive anti-Semitism.
          I involuntarily recall the old. What is one of the laws of our army life: "All the oaks and all rustle."

          Guys, it’s not constructive, it’s not productive for business, for military affairs.

          But professor George Shibanov, with his answer to A. Goltz, gave the military a reason to think again:
          1. Did the army need reforms?
          2. What was the ultimate goal of the undertaken and partially already implemented transformations?
          Somehow it does not seem that some of the authors of the comments will be able to answer, at least to themselves, these questions.
          And Alexander Goltz answers:
          I needed it. And the chain was - REFUSAL FROM THE CONCEPT OF THE MOBILIZATION ARMY.

          Here's what you should discuss here.
    4. APES
      APES 11 December 2013 09: 03
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      Mr. A. Goltz


      and what is this Goltz - Friedrich - a German physiologist? or who?
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 11 December 2013 09: 17
        +2
        Quote: APES
        and what is this Goltz

        custom magazine
        1. Brother77
          Brother77 11 December 2013 10: 42
          0
          Selling girl from journalism! That's who he is!
      2. avt
        avt 11 December 2013 10: 33
        0
        Quote: APES
        and what is this Goltz - Friedrich - a German physiologist? or who?

        Here is also interested in the question - "military expert" Golts, what's this?
        1. military
          military 11 December 2013 13: 01
          +1
          Quote: avt
          Here is also interested in the question - "military expert" Golts, what's this?

          it is "something" ... laughing
      3. Orthodox warrior
        Orthodox warrior 11 December 2013 16: 35
        0
        Quote: APES
        Quote: avant-garde
        Mr. A. Goltz


        and what is this Goltz - Friedrich - a German physiologist? or who?



        He spent a year at Stanford University (USA) at the Center for International Security and Cooperation, where he worked on a manuscript on military reform in Russia. There he completed his work “The Russian Army: Eleven Lost Years” ...
        Since 2004 of the year - Member of the Committee "2008: Free Choice". In 2005, he was one of the founders of the United Civil Front (FMG), a political organization led by Garry Kasparov. Member of the federal council of the FMG. On 10 on March 2010, he signed the appeal “Putin must leave.”
        Here he is such a goose!
        1. matross
          matross 11 December 2013 16: 56
          +2
          Quote: Orthodox warrior
          signed the appeal "Putin must leave"

          Yeah? So here we also have a lot of loaches! And they did not study at Stanford, but the rhetoric is the same!
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    6. fedorovith
      fedorovith 11 December 2013 10: 50
      +1
      Goltz would have ceased to be Goltz if he had not liked the "reforms" of the "carpenter".
    7. AVV
      AVV 11 December 2013 12: 47
      +5
      None of the world's special services did such damage to Russia as Serdyukov did with his female battalion, the damage is comparable to the activities of the former head of state Gorbachev !!! And this can be regarded as a betrayal of the interests of Russia! And appropriate punishments must be applied as traitors to the motherland !!!
    8. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 11 December 2013 14: 10
      +1
      article 58-1a..10 years with confiscation of all property under extenuating circumstances .. or execution with confiscation ... however, all 14 paragraphs of the article are suitable .. for what business do not look ...
    9. Alekseev
      Alekseev 11 December 2013 14: 39
      +1
      A cuckoo praises a rooster. yes
      And his praise is too well known ... not to praise.
    10. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 11 December 2013 15: 46
      +1
      So such reformers in the garden ring area there their jobs are a dime a dozen that they rule the country,
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    12. alone
      alone 11 December 2013 20: 04
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      Mr. A. Goltz really liked the reform of A. Serdyukov and one of his favorites, 25 years old, with confiscation for aiding the traitor to the Motherland


      To do this, you must first shoot the traitor of the Motherland and her favorite, and then 25 years with confiscation will slap an accomplice))) to the regret, neither one nor the other will be!
  2. GHG
    GHG 11 December 2013 07: 36
    +4
    I think this topic for today will quickly move into the category of the most discussed since I do not see the main topic of the amnesty of Tolik Serdyuk. smile
  3. major071
    major071 11 December 2013 07: 39
    +7
    Loach is still a fruit:
    Since 2004 of the year - Member of the Committee "2008: Free Choice". In 2005, he was one of the founders of the United Civil Front (FMG), a political organization led by Garry Kasparov. Member of the federal council of the FMG. On 10 on March 2010, he signed the appeal “Putin must leave.”
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 December 2013 07: 48
      +5
      "DRY FRUITS" got divorced ...
      Let's wait for the presidential amnesty - supposedly to mark the 20th anniversary of the Ebnov Constitution
      It will become clear: with whom are you, Mr. President?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 07: 51
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      Quote: major071
      Loach is still a fruit:

      Tired of all these Loaches, Katzmans, Gozmans. Maybe it's time for them to leave the country and go to their homeland.
      1. Very old
        Very old 11 December 2013 08: 02
        +4
        stop WHERE?
        They don’t have a homeland. (For them - with a capital!)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 08: 22
          +2
          Quote: Very old
          WHERE?

          How to where, to Israel.
          1. Very old
            Very old 11 December 2013 08: 28
            +3
            Alexander, Israel is about to burst ...
            No wonder they built a WALL - similar to the Berlin
            But Berlin was phrenic, and Jerusalem was West.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 08: 35
              +4
              Quote: Very old
              Alexander, Israel is about to burst ...

              If together with Gozman and Loach, then I am FOR!
          2. AVV
            AVV 11 December 2013 21: 46
            0
            Yes, they do not need Israel, they have one way to destroy America, and three times they need to select citizenship, otherwise they got settled, they are doing subversive work here, but they get money for it on the side !!! ???
      2. Hon
        Hon 11 December 2013 08: 52
        +6
        It’s difficult at home, there are all Jews.
        1. Very old
          Very old 11 December 2013 08: 58
          0
          Why delete?
          Well, let them live in their community
          The world does not bother you, and you do not bother the world
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 11 December 2013 12: 17
            +2
            Quote: Very old
            Why delete?

            I will suggest you take an excursion into history (Russian so far) and engage in comparison. Under what rulers did Russia experience the most noticeable growth in all areas? I will answer myself. With those who did not engage in Judogenocide, but did not abolish the Pale of Settlement either.
            So I do not care that someone will show pity for them and "let them stay or live", as well as their groans that "the Jews have gone ** and the country has collapsed."
            They collapsed so that it wasn’t empty-handed, as if someone had driven them, but he didn’t hold them, and they still don’t hold them.
            Maybe we will check?
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      4. sashka
        sashka 11 December 2013 09: 43
        +6
        Loaches, Katzmans, Gozmans
        Since the revolution, you can also add. No Russian person. Lenin's mother is Jewish. So they continue to "steer".
      5. Ptah
        Ptah 11 December 2013 12: 09
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Maybe it's time for them to leave the country and go to their homeland.

        Oh-oh-oh-oh ...... Yes you are a ZIONIST, Alexander! I also.
        Yes, there are most of them. As in the whole world.
        But the Jews are not going anywhere. This is not why they plant their "values" and destroy everything else. The bridgehead is being prepared.
        All these vysers of Holtzman, Katzman and Potsman have one goal - to monitor the situation for tolerance of Jews. And if necessary, take the necessary steps to prepare public opinion.
        This is the case with a lost domestic dog. While living with the owners, at the first bite of a flea, they immediately begin to process it with all kinds of shampoos, removing parasites. The dog does not like it, but it instinctively feels that wet coat is better than even one bite.
        As soon as she got lost, when communicating with the mongrels who presented her with a handful of fleas, at first she gets nervous and itches, but after a while, against the background of other "problems", even a hundred "passengers" eating her does not seem like a disaster. I scratched and got used to it, as if I did not know another life ...
        So Russia is being prepared for "addiction", speaking of multiculturalism .... Well, you understand .....
        1. faraon
          faraon 11 December 2013 13: 49
          -1
          So Russia is being prepared for "addiction", speaking of multiculturalism .... Well, you get the idea.

          not there, dear, look for the enemy of Russia, take a closer look at your place in Russia, Moscow from the pro-Orthodox capital of a great power turns into a 3 caliphate, and this is not news, but you all look for the enemy in the face of the Jews. see for yourself, the janitor of Tajikistan, the builder of the Uzbek market has occupied the Caucasus. And you have all the Jews to blame. Russia has become accustomed to monoculturism.
          Now the question is how to throw this monoculture into a landfill.
    3. Brother77
      Brother77 11 December 2013 10: 43
      0
      Yes, if he had aspen in his chest from Russian forests, and skiing in causal places!
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 11 December 2013 07: 54
    10
    And where did the Commanders-in-Chief look when the former Minister of Defense did such things? am
  5. slovak007
    slovak007 11 December 2013 07: 57
    +1
    Quote: Igor39
    What are 25 years old? Only shooting !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Why shoot? Let him work out for life somewhere in Magadan.
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 December 2013 08: 17
      +2
      slovak007
      We will not dirty the glorious city of Magadan
      Don't we have more "worthy" places for loaches, Alekseevs and others, others
      To gather all in one pile - like spiders in a jar - will be overwhelmed
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 11 December 2013 09: 21
        +2
        Quote: Very old
        To gather all in one pile - like spiders in a jar - will be overwhelmed

        And what, have the Jewish Autonomous Republic been covered up? They say that in Birobidzhan there are no Jews left - and so send them there! Justify the name of autonomy, so to speak.
        1. Very old
          Very old 11 December 2013 09: 28
          +3
          ELENA !
          Send collective farmers
          We have already organized collective farms ...
          From an old joke
  6. makarov
    makarov 11 December 2013 07: 58
    +5
    Here on the site there are comments from "sunny Israel", so let them openly say whether Goltz is the defender and representative of the Mossad or Haman? Maybe the answers will "pierce"
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 December 2013 08: 36
      +5
      Figurines
      Seven seals
      But the snout is visible ...
    2. Professor
      Professor 11 December 2013 12: 13
      -1
      Quote: makarov
      nss too naturally. Why the hell, they say, these Russians are here to us: all the time they are dissatisfied with something, and then they suddenly come together and

      It is fortunate that Serdyukov is Russian and his immediate superior, the supreme ... is also Russian, but now this would have begun on the site, and not only on the site. wink

      PS
      It is strange, but on a neighboring branch of a Leontyev Jew, no one offers to send to Israel. However... request
      The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 10 December 2013
      1. Very old
        Very old 11 December 2013 12: 56
        0
        Olezhenka, good YOU are mine
        Well, what are YOU about?
        Ali, we won’t understand without you?
        From under the silence, you always knew how
        1. Professor
          Professor 11 December 2013 12: 59
          -1
          Quote: Very old
          Ali, we won’t understand without you?

          Without us, is it without anyone?

          Quote: Very old
          From under the silence, you always knew how

          Slogans, slogans ...
          1. Very old
            Very old 11 December 2013 13: 14
            0
            Oleg,
            I am not anti-Semite
            But have a conscience.
            Today I read Flavia
            This is "General Vlasov" in Hebrew
            You (and can you?)
            Is it truncated?
            1. Professor
              Professor 11 December 2013 13: 23
              0
              Quote: Very old
              I am not anti-Semite

              So then discuss not the name of the author, but what he wrote. About the number of universities I completely agree with Goltz, and the author of this article is an interested person (in his warm place).

              Quote: Very old
              You (and can you?)

              You can. drinks

              Quote: Very old
              Today I read Flavia

              Well, what does he have to do with this article?
              1. Very old
                Very old 11 December 2013 13: 39
                0
                I want to understand
                Without reference to the article
      2. military
        military 11 December 2013 13: 11
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        What a blessing that Serdyukov is Russian and his immediate superior, the supreme ... also Russian

        Russian surname and Russian soul are not the same thing ...
        Sakharov ... Sakharovich ... Zuckerman ...
        1. Professor
          Professor 11 December 2013 13: 17
          +1
          Quote: military
          Russian surname and Russian soul are not the same thing ...
          Thank you for enlightening. So the Russian soul of Goltz does not suit you? Joke. wink
          Nevertheless, Serdyukov is Russian and not only with a Russian surname, I am generally silent about Putin. But Sakharov (in your opinion Zuckerman) is the creator of the hydrogen bomb and, as they say, a Jew only by his wife.

          PS
          Usually they talk about the "mysterious Russian soul". wink
          1. Very old
            Very old 11 December 2013 14: 01
            0
            Oleg !
            Do you remember how the Nobel laureate proposed to wipe the whole continent from the face of the Earth?
            Our military people were horrified
            I also
            Do not idolize Satan
            1. Professor
              Professor 11 December 2013 14: 04
              0
              Quote: Very old
              Oleg !
              Do you remember how the Nobel laureate proposed to wipe the whole continent from the face of the Earth?
              Our military people were horrified
              I also
              Do not idolize Satan

              He was a genius, this is not to be taken away and hardly anyone will argue with this. Nevertheless, this does not apply to the article under discussion. hi
              1. Very old
                Very old 11 December 2013 14: 25
                0
                But what else?
                Let the whole world in tartarara?
                And is it divine?
        2. Ptah
          Ptah 11 December 2013 13: 45
          0
          Quote: military
          Sakharov ... Sakharovich ... Zuckerman ...

          Yes, nope .... Nave and the machinations of those to whom it is beneficial to rank him among the "company of the most intelligent and talented." They have already found Jewish "roots" at Lomonosov and Richman.
          But the fact that he is a "graduate of the Institute of Jewish Wives" is an indisputable fact. Such a diligent "student" is almost a "proof professor". Hence the further actions. Nothing unusual here ...
        3. faraon
          faraon 11 December 2013 13: 59
          -1
          Sakharov ... Sakharovich ... Zuckerman ...

          well, but the fact that Sakharov strengthened the defenses of the Russian state, what to do with this or Sakharov is an original Russian, and Sakharovich, Zuckerman are Jews, YOU somehow decide yours.
          1. Very old
            Very old 11 December 2013 14: 56
            0
            I won’t argue with you, MIKHAIL
            But destroy half the world ...
            Even our "bloodthirsty" did not dare
            But he did offer it
            These are human rights defenders
    3. faraon
      faraon 11 December 2013 13: 55
      -2
      Is Goltz the protector and representative of Mossad or Haman?

      Well, you respected give Massad Aman Shabak, what do these respected organizations have to do with it, and if Vasya Pupkin had been a substitute for Goltz, then something has changed from this, or you proceed from the principle that the Jews are to blame for everything, even if the Uzbek did not remove the sabach but in the gateway of the Moscow courtyard.
      1. Very old
        Very old 11 December 2013 15: 20
        0
        Can you clearly?
  7. tolan_petrovich
    tolan_petrovich 11 December 2013 07: 58
    +3
    Just now, the infa "Close the Stouretkin case in connection with the amnesty" sounded on the radio. LIKE THIS.
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 December 2013 08: 41
      +2
      HOORAY !
      Not news
      The whole Forum predicted this.
  8. demotivator
    demotivator 11 December 2013 08: 07
    +7
    "25 years", "shooting". As the character of Kramarov used to say: "Who will put him in prison? He's a monument!" And if it's no joke, then Serdyukov was removed from the post of minister not for his failures in work. Not at all. Who cares at the top? The people expected that the unfaithful spouse, who was released from the minister's chair, would be immediately handcuffed and put in jail for the duration of the investigation. But they were cooled off by the compassionate President Vladimir Putin, who said: they say, there are no obstacles to his employment. “It's not our 37th year,” he said good-naturedly.
    Immediately, some media outlets issued the version that his own wife, nee Julia Viktorovna Zubkova, had removed the unfaithful husband from her post. The daughter of Vladimir Vladimirovich’s colleague at the St. Petersburg City Hall ... In recent years, he has been Prime Minister, First Deputy Prime Minister, and now Chairman of the Gazprom Board of Directors Viktor Zubkov.
    After all, it was after marrying the girl Yulia that the career of the former head of the Lenmebeltorg section sharply went uphill. In 2001, he became the head of the department of the Ministry of Taxes and Levies in St. Petersburg, then he headed the similar department in Moscow and, finally, received the portfolio of the head of the Federal Tax Service. And then the heads of the defense department.
    A blow in the gut, Serdyukov received precisely because of his betrayal. In May of that year, Yulia Viktorovna filed for divorce, since her husband's relationship with a former subordinate was no longer a secret for everyone. But now, the "prodigal husband" returned to his wife and was forgiven. And if so - does he somehow need to play the role of breadwinner? So they gave him a grain position in the state corporation "Roskhtekhnologii". You understand, on whose instructions. , "It's not the 37th year."
    So do not build very smart versions. It is better to always remember the French wisdom of all time: “Sherche la fam.”
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 December 2013 11: 08
      0
      MICHAEL
      Who will put him in prison?
      He is SIR, he is Duke! ! !
  9. alexng
    alexng 11 December 2013 08: 30
    +2
    What amnesty? There was no trial yet. Pinocchio with a stool glued to the ass in the furnace, pre-soaked in solarium or gasoline and rattle immediately stop.
    1. Brother77
      Brother77 11 December 2013 10: 47
      +1
      Well, you give a pancake! cool! Krasava!
  10. ed65b
    ed65b 11 December 2013 08: 34
    +4
    I consider our military education to be the best in the world (without touching on moronic reforms). It’s a pity that our CIS partners just forgot this and send their cadets to study in general third-rate countries, what can they learn there? just don’t win !!!
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 December 2013 08: 52
      +3
      EDDIE,
      Remember the times when people from all over the world came to study with us?
      And I remember.
      A soldier opens the door to a Vietnamese listener - he does not have the strength to open the door to the ACADEMY
      I remember
      1. Stinger
        Stinger 11 December 2013 09: 38
        +2
        I remember. In the Russian language lesson, one listener to the question "Who does your dad work for?", Answered "My dad works as a king"
        1. sashka
          sashka 11 December 2013 10: 47
          +2
          "My dad works as a king"
          How did it end?
          1. Very old
            Very old 11 December 2013 11: 26
            0
            "friendship of peoples"
            And besides Russia, I am not friends with anyone
        2. Very old
          Very old 11 December 2013 10: 56
          0
          Namesake
          these are costs of the USSR
      2. military
        military 11 December 2013 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: Very old
        EDDY, remember the days when people from all over the world came to study with us?

        I also remember ... there was a foreign (5th) faculty at the school ...
        I remember how one of my classmates, a national cadre from a sunny *** camp, foaming at the mouth, conducted a "dialogue" with a Yemeni about the existence of Allah ...
        the impression was that he would have a dagger at hand, perhaps, he would have stabbed the "wrong" opponent without hesitation ... laughing\
        I didn’t finish my studies ... but I wasn’t upset ... leaving the barracks, I said “my house will be a police officer” ...
        1. Very old
          Very old 11 December 2013 14: 39
          +1
          Will-be ...
          Do not doubt
  11. dmb
    dmb 11 December 2013 08: 56
    +2
    "Much ado about nothing" - well, just Shakespeare and nephews. Some kind of Goltz, in some kind of tattered and unreadable building today, wrote nonsense. And a whole doctor of technical sciences, professor and retired lieutenant general explains for a long time and tediously that Golts m... Who can argue with him. That's just for whom he writes it. Those who read Goltz are not much different from him and the editions in which the professor is published simply do not read. Those who do not argue with the professor in Golts's assessment, in the Ogonyok magazine, only solve crosswords. And therefore, the article would have been appropriate when Serdyukov ruled the ball. True, then we would have to do without the last phrase about the unearthly wisdom of the Commander-in-Chief and the Minister, for the sake of which the article, it seems to me, appeared.
    1. Very old
      Very old 11 December 2013 09: 42
      +1
      And they don’t read us ...
  12. sashka
    sashka 11 December 2013 09: 29
    +3
    Any word is suitable for a surname to a Jew. Shchetkin treshchetkin, what difference does it make? There are many words in Russian. Especially when you slip
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 11 December 2013 09: 47
      +2
      What does Goltz praise Serdyukov for?

      Behind each serDyuk, the head of a .lander peeps out.
      And not only for Serdyuk, but also for the medical ...
  13. andr327
    andr327 11 December 2013 09: 40
    +1
    Holtz is an ordinary demagogue, who knows how to inflate his cheeks, which is not responding. however, we must pay tribute to him, since the Israeli henchman praises us, then we are doing something wrong.
    And for the collapse of the military education system, Serdyukov and Priezheva need to be prosecuted. Although probably, according to our top leadership, they brilliantly completed the task of destroying the succession of generations, eradicating the spirit of collectivism, and introducing an individualism that is alien to our army. The process of the collapse of military education was observed during the period when my son studied at a military school (this is, in our opinion, Soviet), now it was called an institute, a branch of the academy, etc. I recall one of the orders when the cadets could be kicked out of school for one samovlka, i.e. normal, active people should have been expelled, and gray, non-initiative amorphous shadows should remain, officers should not remain.
    And to venerate the commander-in-chief ... They fought for their schools, but how many of them were removed during the Serdyukov era, and this is another "achievement" of Taburetkin in eliminating the unwanted and appointing obedient and fluffy.
    1. Brother77
      Brother77 11 December 2013 10: 51
      0
      Yes, everything is correct you said! Two such ideas have now appeared in the army - to do everything just to do nothing and you can pay for everything (good for them, the payment system for everything is almost set up)!
  14. sashka
    sashka 11 December 2013 09: 49
    +1
    Elementary. A cuckoo praises a rooster for praising a cuckoo. As has long been said, to the point.
  15. shurup
    shurup 11 December 2013 09: 50
    +2
    That Serdyukov, that Shoigu, that Golikova are stools not related to the Army. Appointees. They should not make decisions.
    1. sashka
      sashka 11 December 2013 09: 57
      +1
      They should not make decisions.
      And by whom? We have one "guarantor".
  16. Boris55
    Boris55 11 December 2013 09: 56
    +8
    Alexander Matveevich Golts (born 26 on October 1955, Moscow) is the editor-in-chief of the Daily Journal online portal.


    Since 2004 of the year - Member of the Committee "2008: Free Choice". In 2005, he was one of the founders of the United Civil Front (FMG), a political organization led by Garry Kasparov. Member of the federal council of the FMG. On 10 on March 2010, he signed the appeal “Putin must leave.”
    At 2013, he won the Gerd Bucerius Prize “Free Press in Eastern Europe”.

    In general - a bastard.
    1. Brother77
      Brother77 11 December 2013 10: 52
      +3
      EXACTLY! Bastard!
  17. lukke
    lukke 11 December 2013 10: 01
    +1
    Considering his successful experience in the creation and management of Oboronservis OJSC for the sale of property of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, create another so-called state corporation for the sale of all property of Russia under him and E. Vasiliev.

    Yes, if there hadn’t been such noise, they would have done so
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  19. sashka
    sashka 11 December 2013 10: 05
    +1
    Put a plus in the hope that the bastards both. Two shit crap themselves can not.
  20. major071
    major071 11 December 2013 10: 05
    +5
    What does Goltz praise Serdyukov for?

    Though you hoarse, praising each other, -
    All your music is bad! .. "
    Why, without fear of sin,
    Does the cuckoo praise the Rooster?
    For praising the Cuckoo.
    I.A. Krylov.
  21. calocha
    calocha 11 December 2013 10: 14
    0
    "Ogonyok" is the mouthpiece of libertarian circles. And this Goltz needs to take a closer look. Such wise men only heat the furnace
  22. lotar
    lotar 11 December 2013 10: 30
    +2
    Another "friend" of Russia was found. Sooner or later, all agents of influence and their accomplices will be prosecuted, if not through the official authorities, then through other structures in the shadows.
  23. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 December 2013 10: 31
    +2
    Quote: "All" 10 large scientific and educational centers "created by the reform of A. Serdyukov and E. Priezzheva are artificial formations in which they tried to combine a snake with a hedgehog ..."

    How much irreparable damage must be done to Amiya and the state in order to answer before the court for their atrocities? Destroyed military education, destroyed the structure of manning of the Armed Forces ... and silence. For all the mistakes of the former Minister of Defense, the President and the Supreme Commander are equally responsible (maybe more).
    But Loach was in Russia and always will be. It so happened historically that Russia has always had internal enemies.
    1. military
      military 11 December 2013 13: 37
      0
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      For all the mistakes of the former Minister of Defense, the President and the Supreme Commander are equally responsible (maybe more).

      the main thing is that you do not forget about this before the next election ... drinks
  24. morpogr
    morpogr 11 December 2013 10: 32
    +1
    How did these survivors get all sorts of loaches, gozmans, and others worried for the fate of Russia and relocate to their historical homeland if you don’t like it here.
  25. Caucasian
    Caucasian 11 December 2013 10: 37
    +1
    Not Serdyukov should be executed, but those who "protect" him.
  26. moremansf
    moremansf 11 December 2013 10: 59
    +1
    The latest news on Serdyukov: "The criminal case against the ex-Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov may be terminated due to the announcement of an amnesty. Article 6, paragraph 3 of the draft resolution, which the President submitted to the Duma, provides for the termination of the investigating bodies of criminal cases against military personnel , employees of the internal affairs bodies and the penal system, as well as persons who took part in hostilities or in actions to defend the fatherland, for which a punishment of no more than five years in prison is provided, if they have not previously served a sentence in correctional institutions. the head of the military department fits these criteria. " I just want to quote one hero of the classic Soviet comedy Leonid Gaidai - "Long live the Soviet court - the most humane court in the world !!!!" IT'S OFFENSE FOR POWERING !!!!!!!!
  27. scientist
    scientist 11 December 2013 11: 00
    +4
    The ridiculous accusation of the former minister of negligence, with the subsequent amnesty, and even with employment in a state organization, is a mockery of justice. It is more logical to blame the negligence of the person who nominated the furniture maker Serdyukov to a strategic position and gave him carte blanche for rash reforms. It is obvious to everyone that scams and sales of property of the Ministry of Defense are connected with the enrichment of his relatives and friends. This is ordinary fraud and corruption in an organized criminal group, bordering on high treason and Serdyukov is a typical head of an organized crime group. If this is left unpunished, then embezzlement will never end.
  28. Mviktor
    Mviktor 11 December 2013 11: 09
    +1
    Mr. A. Goltz really liked the reform of A. Serdyukov and one of his favorites E. Priezheva on the collapse of the military education system


    Representatives of this nationality always like when Russia is bad. But Serdyukov is just a short-sighted ghoul, not he muddied all this, but the one who put him in this position and ordered the Russian defense potential to collapse
  29. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 11 December 2013 11: 28
    -2
    <<< Mr. A. Golts really liked the reform of A. Serdyukov and one of his favorites E. Priezzheva on the collapse of the military education system >>>
    It is simply impossible not to pay attention, and it is no longer surprising that in today's crowd of creative critics of the regime in Russia, fighters against the "totalitarian" regime (in the terminology of Western gameocracy), for whom the more chaos, collapse in Russia, the worse things are, the Better, figures like Golts, Pozners, Shvonderovichs, Gelmantovs rallied ... that is, basically, with purely "Russian" surnames and roots. And this already happened in the history of Russia in the 17th, when their fellow tribesmen even managed to seize power, which cost the people of Russia, first of all, the Russian at a huge cost of huge human and material losses! History repeats itself! Again they are in opposition with a clear intention to change the regime, again to "steer" the dark Russian people, Russia! But they are unlikely to succeed today, since their extreme conceit prevents them from understanding that their surnames themselves, belonging to the clan-tribe clearly indicate that there is nothing positive, except criticism, or even dirt, slops and slander against Russia, Russians, you DO NOT have to wait from them!
  30. solovald
    solovald 11 December 2013 12: 05
    +1
    Yes, I am amazed at the modern personnel policy. In history, alas, everything repeats itself - since the 17s (almost like in the XNUMXth), we have the possibility of "cooks" in the state apparatus, yesterday's cadets and retrained navigators manage Boeing without a proper raid, yesterday's students sit in scientific officials (managing huge financial flows) - doubles.
    "... All" 10 large scientific and educational centers "created according to the reform of A. Serdyukov and E. Priezzheva are artificial formations in which they tried to combine a snake with a hedgehog ..." - this is in spirit from a series of project-cuts "Skolkovo and rusnano ".
  31. Professor
    Professor 11 December 2013 12: 09
    -1
    The doubt expressed by Mr. A. Goltz that the remaining 33 military schools scattered throughout Russia will not be able to provide a high level of education does not hold water.

    I won’t know how the Americans manage without even 33 military universities, and the Israelis only with 1.5 (one and a half)? Well stupid ... fool
    1. vlad52-t
      vlad52-t 11 December 2013 12: 57
      -1
      Better count how many graduates they have.
      1. faraon
        faraon 11 December 2013 15: 20
        0
        Better count how many graduates they have.


        And why do they need more, the modern army needs specialists, and not waiting for pensions and privileges, parquet officers.
    2. nikolaykk
      nikolaykk 11 December 2013 18: 03
      0
      It's not about quantity, but quality. During the implementation of this "reform" military universities were practically destroyed. The training bases were looted or lost, and the teaching staff fled.
  32. makarov
    makarov 11 December 2013 13: 24
    +1
    [quote = professor] [quote = makarov] Native also natural. Why the hell, they say, these Russians are here to us: all the time they are dissatisfied with something, and all of a sudden they will come together again and [/ quote]
    It is fortunate that Serdyukov is Russian and his immediate superior, the supreme ... is also Russian, but now this would have begun on the site, and not only on the site. wink

    SW Oleg.
    I wrote a full kosher comment, you ascribed to me unknown whose expressions, and they were answered by admonishing me. That is, you make it clear by certain "beacons" that Goltz is really an agent of the Mossad? bully
    1. Professor
      Professor 11 December 2013 13: 28
      +1
      You wrote this:
      Here on the site there are comments from "sunny Israel", so let them openly say whether Goltz is the defender and representative of the Mossad or Haman? Perhaps the answers will "pierce".


      If his last name was Ivanov, would you also attribute him to Mossad? By the way, take an interest in his biography in Soviet times. He is a knowledgeable and experienced person.
      1. makarov
        makarov 11 December 2013 14: 13
        0
        I mean that the comment is kosher. Read your previous ones, where you attributed to me someone's expressions, otherwise it turns out "not kosher lard, but according to Slavic mustals .."
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  34. VADEL
    VADEL 11 December 2013 15: 03
    0
    A. Golts's answer: "Among the shit you are all poets, among the poets YOU shit hi
  35. Jarserge
    Jarserge 11 December 2013 16: 46
    +1
    Who is such a Goltz ?! This is a political scientist? Which regiment did he serve in? Which school did you graduate from? No, not served? The school did not finish? It obviously doesn’t shine with mind because it judges what it doesn’t understand ....... Obviously from the journalists it was they who kicked the order and blurt out their tongues about things about which you have no idea the main thing is folding
    1. Professor
      Professor 11 December 2013 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Jarserge
      Who is such a Goltz ?! This is a political scientist? Which regiment did he serve in? Which school did you graduate from? No, not served? The school did not finish? It obviously doesn’t shine with mind because it judges what it doesn’t understand ....... Obviously from the journalists it was they who kicked the order and blurt out their tongues about things about which you have no idea the main thing is folding

      Goltz is a 16-year-old war correspondent for The Red Star. To paraphrase you: Who is such a Shoigu ?! Which regiment did he serve in? Which school did you graduate from? No, not served? The school did not finish? ...
  36. nikolaykk
    nikolaykk 11 December 2013 17: 58
    +1
    "Stavropol - pilots and navigators for air defense fighter aircraft"

    It was disbanded for a long time, the entire base was transferred to Yeysk, most of the teaching staff left for the reserve. It united in due time three schools, navigational, engineering and technical (Daugavpils) and technical (Lomonosovo)
  37. horoh
    horoh 11 December 2013 18: 06
    +1
    Goltz is a rare ue ... well, you don’t have to plant such people, but you have to shoot them according to the article for treason to the Motherland, and what about the rest of the defendants !!!
  38. vvp2412
    vvp2412 11 December 2013 19: 08
    +1
    Anyone who sympathizes with Perdyukov, or responds positively about his work - is a traitor and a criminal himself!
  39. klip07
    klip07 11 December 2013 21: 40
    +1
    for treason to the motherland - to the bitch of nits !!!