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What the leaders of "euromaidan" do not speak to citizens of Ukraine

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Human society has always lived by myths throughout its existence. Myths were in ancient Greece and Rome, people put tales and legends. Nothing has changed to date. Today, a new myth is being imposed on Ukrainian society - the myth of “European integration”. They say that we will sign a contract with the EU, and then visas will disappear, “investors” will appear, the standard of living will increase, pensions and salaries will increase.


Before us is a real myth - exactly the same as in times immemorial. There is only one difference - in ancient Greece these fictional tales were composed for centuries and different people, and the “Myth about European integration of Ukraine” was invented by the propagandists of Washington and Brussels in a few months.

What the leaders of "euromaidan" do not speak to citizens of Ukraine


Similar “treaties” with the EU were signed by Algeria, Tunisia and Chile, along with Turkey. Signed many years ago. It is obvious that the standard of living in these countries has not improved in any way, while the visas for entry into Europe have remained. Will remain a visa for Ukraine. Nowhere in the text is the agreement that is being imposed on Ukraine so actively today there is not a word about their abolition.

And here is the truth about today's life in Europe. That Europe itself, which, according to the “orange propagandists”, is really eager to share its money and resources with poor Ukraine.

Materials that appeared on tapes in just one week News.

The British will retire in 70 years.

“British Finance Minister George Osborne said that the retirement age in his country will be increased to 70 years. So, citizens born in 1990-ies, will retire only after 2060 year. This reform in the coming 50 years will save 500 billion pounds. ”

Bicycle sales in Europe overtook car sales.

“In most EU countries, bicycle sales bypassed car sales. Experts believe that this trend is a direct consequence of the economic crisis that has actually brought down the region’s car market. According to the BBC, more bicycles than cars were sold in 26 from 28 of the EU countries last year. Two-wheeled sports equipment is also gaining popularity in those countries where they have not shown much interest in it before. ”

Not from the good life of the citizens of the European Union buy bicycles, as well as not from the labor enthusiasm they have to work up to 70 years. These are signs of a crisis that has engulfed the western economy.

Food shortage in the UK threatens to emergency

“The number of hungry British over the past 5 years has increased 2 times. It is reported by The Independent, citing a study of scientists from the University in Liverpool. "

The crisis is obvious. It does not pass, but rather increases. Ask yourself: how can you get out of a systemic crisis? Two ways: cut costs by cutting back all unnecessary. Or get new resources.

From where in Ukraine, according to the “Orange Myth-makers,” can the standard of living increase? From signing an agreement with the European Union. That is, it is assumed that Europe, and so in crisis, WILL START FINANCING THE SOLUTION OF UKRAINIAN PROBLEMS. Is it possible? Of course no. Such a path will only exacerbate the crisis, Ukraine is a large country with a population not of Luxembourg, but about the size of France or half Germany.

To solve its own problems, Europe should not give, but take away.

This is the second way out of the systemic crisis - to get new resources and try to solve problems at their expense. This is planned to be done with Ukraine. That is why European diplomacy is behaving so persistently and in violation of all diplomatic decency.

They watch ticking! They are well aware that very soon the beautiful “Europrincess” will turn into a “Euroheater”. Her carriage has even turned. The truth is not a pumpkin, but a bicycle. And the good fairy can not help. Because in housekeepers and politicians fairies do not exist. They are only in fairy tales.

Ambulance patients in the UK are sent home without medical care.

“According to official data, the majority of patients in the emergency room do not receive any treatment, reports The Telegraph. Statistics released by the Center for Health and Social Information show that in 2012-2013, ambulance services were used by 22 million people in Britain. This is 11% more than in the past 4 of the year. Of these, 34% received only basic tips, another 13% was released without assistance. ”

In conclusion, and for clarity, the opinion of the Ukrainian "orange economist". Posted on the Voice of America website. Pay attention to what he says, what arguments leads, saying that Ukraine needs to sign an agreement. The question is simple: it is profitable, it is necessary to sign. Unprofitable - not necessary. Therefore, the one who calls himself an economist should lead FIGURES and the facts of improving the state of industries or the entire economy from signing an agreement with the Europeans.

“The signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union would give Ukraine a significant strategic advantage: the effectiveness of the functioning of various institutions would increase, which would subsequently lead to an improvement in the business climate and increased investment. In the long run, this would all help to ensure higher rates of economic growth in the country. ”

Not a single fact, only emotions. "The efficiency of institutions will increase, which would subsequently lead to an improvement in the business climate and an increase in investment." In 2004, the Ukrainians said exactly the same thing. So what? Increased efficiency? What is this efficiency? Investment why not increase with 2004 year? Empty common words. No specifics. But the standard of living has gone down and will go down until the citizens of Ukraine, instead of specific enterprises, which are closed as a result of following the “Myth of European Integration”, will choose empty words “about increasing investments and improving the business climate”.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 11 December 2013 13: 44
    27
    Empty common words. No specifics. But the standard of living has decreased and will decline, while citizens of Ukraine instead of specific enterprises that will be closed as a result of following the "Myth of European Integration" will choose empty words "about increasing investment and improving the business climate."
    And it’s hard to disagree !!! Europe only knows how to sharpen its hair !!! And all specific loans, if they offer, then at a high percentage, and all this is furnished with such preconditions as raising energy prices, raising the retirement age, tolerant attitude towards LBGT, and many other conditions, these are just flowers in a multi-colored flowerbed of the European Union !!! And then everything will be more interesting and interesting !!! Loans will be issued, in small portions, and will wait for Ukraine to fulfill all these crazy conditions !!!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 11 December 2013 15: 23
      23
      The State Department and Brussels in Ukraine are stubbornly continuing to mold Yushcha No. 2. True for Velikoukriya. From Klyachk. In BP, preparations for the fateful 2015, or rather the "shock" year, are already in full swing. There is a "reboot" in Klichkov style. Having received unlimited funding from the United States, Klitschko is actively buying people's representatives. It is not known exactly how much Vitaly Vladimirovich's new acquisitions will cost. However, in "UDAR" they say that for joining the party, the deputies are offered up to UAH 6 million. (more than 730 thousand $). This is precisely what the "leaders" of the Euromaidan do not say, while a simple, deceived people freeze in the squares, not even suspecting that they have already been betrayed and sold and are only a means - cannon fodder for the so-called. opposition, ostensibly advocating his interests.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 12 December 2013 01: 22
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        They watch ticking! They are well aware that very soon the beautiful “Europrincess” will turn into a “Euroheater”. Her carriage has even turned. The truth is not a pumpkin, but a bicycle. And the good fairy can not help. Because in housekeepers and politicians fairies do not exist. They are only in fairy tales.

        And here’s the filmets in the topic:
      2. Xroft
        Xroft 12 December 2013 02: 36
        +2
        US authorities are considering options for action against Ukraine, where mass rallies in support of European integration are taking place - among these options are sanctions, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said at a briefing (c)
        Well, in the style of greyhounds amerikosov .....
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 11 December 2013 15: 25
      74
      Now I am in Western Ukraine (Bukovina), here they are really considering an association agreement with the EU, who as a step, and who as a means to facilitate the visa regime. In Western Ukraine, since the 90s, every 2nd family has been traveling to work or arriving for permanent residence in Europe. Money is sent home, almost all of them build 2–3-storey buildings, and they cover everything with Euro tiles. They laugh that in the East of Ukraine all the "huts" are small and miserable, and they say the people are covered up by the authorities.

      To my arguments that we have an industry there, and we date them completely on social security - pohu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Despite the fact that I am here 3 of the month. One thing is incomprehensible to me why they are such believers, are baptized at every corner near the cross or the Church, go to Sunday services, celebrate holidays, but are such materialists to the bone and love the sinful West !?

      Telling them about the juvenile and LGBT is useless, because they do not know what it is, because all their children stay with their grandmothers at home in Ukraine, study in the walls of schools built in the Ukrainian SSR by invaders, and still according to the Soviet pedagogical methodology Bandera stuffing inside.

      When I give them the example of Bulgaria, the Baltic States or Romania, do you know what they tell me?

      -Well, so stink vіlno іzdyat Europe and that zarabylyayut penny.

      When you say that not all Romanians are allowed into France and Melbritain, they tell me:

      And my friend on the Romanian passport (Romanian passports in Bukovina) in England works ...

      To call them to the patriotism of the economy, industry, the state is useless !!!

      But you know what impressed me most in the district center of Zastavna, Chernivtsi region?

      There are paid rates for fishing here, but what's the trick, the name - Pansky becoming translated into Russian "rates of the Lord."

      Reference: the name comes from the fact that on this pond in the winter and summer were organized activities for the rest of the Austrian, and later the Romanian gentlemen. It is located in the city center. (de jura after 1991 of the year, the rates went into private hands, the news is not surprising, but the name is disgusting for the Russian ear)

      http://zcrb.at.ua/index/kuti_mista_zastavna_toponimi/0-22

      I vomited a little. I cannot imagine such a thing in my native Zaporozhye region !!!! Psychology of slaves !!! And they are still blathering something on the "zaturkanny" South-East! I asked them about it, they say, how do you feel about this, is it not insulting? They are bumming something, others say it is normal. sad
      1. GDP
        GDP 11 December 2013 15: 32
        25
        To my arguments that we have industry there, and we date social security to them completely - pooh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        And this despite the fact that the eastern part of Ukraine gives 70% of industrial production ...
        They got comfortable in western Ukraine and from the east and from the west they get buns without really thinking where they come from and what will happen next ...
        Let's see what happens when prices everywhere in Ukraine jump as well as in Europe, and our own resources begin to show the bottom. Will everyone go west? But what about the homeland?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 11 December 2013 15: 39
          20
          Quote: GDP
          To my arguments that we have industry there, and we date social security to them completely - pooh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          And this despite the fact that 70% of industrial production comes from the eastern part of Ukraine ...

          Only "divorce" and the independent budgets of each territory (western and eastern) will show who works and who lives "for free."
        2. AVV
          AVV 11 December 2013 21: 39
          10
          What is their homeland for these kovs? They don’t have this concept !!! During the war, they were ready to wash their pants for Swabians !!! And they served as policemen !!! What are you talking about ???
        3. Val_y
          Val_y 12 December 2013 13: 29
          0
          Yes, they have no such concept as the Motherland, they sold their mother into slavery, and sold their children, and friends (although they have no friends), "Garneau is not colarno, but if Susida is rotten"
      2. alex-s
        alex-s 11 December 2013 15: 37
        +6
        Is it really so stupid there ?!
        1. operrus
          operrus 11 December 2013 16: 48
          16
          Well, if they are being conducted on Maidan so that upon joining the EU they will increase their birth rate and life expectancy, a simple question due to which no one knows the answer, but they are being conducted. What can I say, pathology.
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        3. DIMAS
          DIMAS 12 December 2013 05: 45
          +5
          Quote: alex-s
          Is it really so stupid there ?!

          Yes, they are not stupid, but cleverly .... they all are happy with the West (l) ents ..... a freebie from the East, so they go to Kiev to shout at meetings, they are also penniless ...
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      3. Tersky
        Tersky 11 December 2013 15: 45
        14
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU

        -Well, so stink vіlno іzdyat Europe and that zarabylyayut penny.

        well, well .... something like that, laughing !
        1. GDP
          GDP 11 December 2013 16: 02
          33
          Mother talked to her friend yesterday, lives in Russia, came to visit relatives in Kiev.
          "- How happy I am!
          Styli was pennilessed in Kiev on the Maidan, and every day they gave sausages on a stick, a lot of grubs, fun!
          And sho not stand? "
          - Eh Valya, you sold the country for a stick of sausage! "
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 11 December 2013 16: 30
            20
            Quote: GDP
            - Eh Valya, you sold the country for a stick of sausage! "

            Bravo!
            Here it is, the true slogan of the Maidan! laughing
          2. morpex
            morpex 11 December 2013 18: 12
            0
            Quote: GDP
            - Eh Valya, you sold the country for a stick of sausage! "

            Well, well. Which country? Valya, everything has already been sold to you! Only the people are left .. Ham and the campaign will not be allowed to bid .. wassat
          3. Simon
            Simon 12 December 2013 10: 00
            +2
            Yes! She still does not think that this may be her last sausage stick. I hope that she left the skins with the smell of this sausage. Smells, smells sausages and remembers how she stood on the Maidan and so the rest of her life. They will enter the EU, forget the smell of sausages.
        2. Hey
          Hey 11 December 2013 21: 02
          +4
          And where does he c ... go?
        3. alone
          alone 11 December 2013 23: 10
          0
          mmm .. who is this? new oligarch?
      4. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 11 December 2013 15: 53
        33
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Well, stink vіlno іzdat Є Europe and earn a penny

        The Galicians never had a homeland, they never had their own country. They do not care where and who their pans are. For pennies, their mother will be sold. If Ukrainians perceive their opinion on a par with their own, they will be left without Ukraine.
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 11 December 2013 17: 03
          12
          The Galicians are not a nation (if I may say so), this is DIAGNOSIS
          1. faraon
            faraon 11 December 2013 17: 13
            -12 qualifying.
            like the Palestinians you are right this diagnosis
            1. Heccrbq.3
              Heccrbq.3 11 December 2013 17: 35
              +8
              Look at your nickname, here is your diagnosis!
              1. faraon
                faraon 12 December 2013 13: 28
                0
                And what is the question? That Vsas was so hurt by the Galichan’s analogy with the Palestinians. Judging by the chances, it turns out that Galichina is not ethnic Ukraine, but as a territory inhabited by different nationalities, and Palestine inhabited by immigrants from upper and lower Egypt who moved to Palestine (most of ) in the process of objection to the state of Israel (Jews gave work, paid money, created social conditions much better than in the host country Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries)
      5. Taoist
        Taoist 11 December 2013 16: 55
        19
        At one time (the devil pulled my wife "zapadenka" to take), having arrived at my wife's homeland in quite Soviet times, I was shocked by one but literally "lethal" fact.
        The richest, large village (almost 500 households) between Lviv and Ternopil. Huge two-story "huts" ... for a car or at least a motorcycle in every yard. But not a single bath. Why are there baths ... There was a water supply in the village, but there were no ordinary cesspools. When I asked a bewildered question like "where to go"? - I was pointed to the barn ... They say goodness should not be lost then ...
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 11 December 2013 22: 10
          +8
          "Khodyty on pnoyivka" - according to one of the Galician Svidomites, during the Austro-Polish rule in Galicia, local aborigines, in the absence of even a primitive village toilet due to extreme poverty, "snake buly" to relieve themselves in a fragile shed (together with livestock ). They wiped their ass with a finger. I am surprised that even the Soviet government did not help.
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 11 December 2013 22: 33
            10
            Quote: Hudo
            "snake buly" to relieve themselves in a fragile shed (together with livestock). They wiped their ass with a finger. I am surprised that even the Soviet regime did not help.

            Well, so Europeans! Eat ...
          2. Tartary
            Tartary 12 December 2013 04: 28
            +3
            Quote: Hudo
            Ass rubbed with a finger. Surprised, even the Soviet government did not help.

            And wiped a finger on a splinterboard? Aposlya, as a splinter stuck under the skin - a finger abruptly in the mouth and ...................)))) From where they got a taste for life ...)))
      6. predator.3
        predator.3 11 December 2013 17: 57
        10
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        almost all of them build 2-3-storey buildings, and all are covered with Euro tiles. They laugh that in the East of Ukraine all the "huts" are small and miserable, and they say the people are covered up by the authorities.

        Yes, they (western Ukraine) and in Soviet times did not live frailly, in 1986-88. he served in Transcarpathia, it seems that there are no factories, but the population level is higher, though I remember how city buses got in December, because the annual limit for gas was exhausted, and they lived so well when the whole Union was choking on the lines for vodka, they had almost the entire vodka assortment stood at the shelves.
        1. morpex
          morpex 11 December 2013 18: 23
          +8
          Quote: predator.3
          Yes, they (western Ukraine) and in Soviet times did not live frailly,

          So grandmas in the North earned, notice honestly. The oil industry of the Union is to a large extent their merit. If you have a honest hand, the people are working! The Zapadents built a house for his brother. Four of them kicked out a box with piers in five days, the Roof was lifted in three days. And by the way, honestly and efficiently .. Their need made them leave abroad.
          Quote: predator.3
          when the whole Union was choking on the lines for vodka, on their shelves almost the entire vodka assortment stood freely.

          This is already a question for that system. Ukraine at the time of Soz was supplied better. And the truth is that the Russian hinterland lived much worse. Why again? Personally, I can not give an explanation for this either now or then ...
          1. predator.3
            predator.3 11 December 2013 18: 54
            +4
            Quote: morpex
            .If honestly - the people are working!

            I agree, people are really working, for which I respect! and the soldiers treated us well.
            This is already a question for that system. Ukraine at the time of Soz was supplied better. And the truth is that the Russian hinterland lived much worse. Why again? Personally, I can not give an explanation for this either now or then ...

            Yes, they drank little vodka, mainly their homemade wine and moonshine.
      7. wow
        wow 11 December 2013 21: 49
        10
        I agree completely !!! You need to treat this gidota only with a machine gun. I would be in the place of the Russian border guards, when checking the documents of the "migrant workers" from the Ukrii, which in millions of rods in Russia, would simply throw the natives of Westerners off the trains without explaining the reasons. And don’t let us write skargi at the UN.
      8. Basarev
        Basarev 11 December 2013 22: 02
        +1
        And they don’t realize that Yuzhmash can still revive atom production at any moment!
      9. romrem
        romrem 11 December 2013 22: 57
        -15 qualifying.
        These are just your conclusions, but really more servile nature you have. Why did you get the idea that they only dream of licking their ass, just because they live better !!! ???
        1. Lesnik
          Lesnik 12 December 2013 02: 39
          +4
          Please list where is who and where "they live better"?
        2. Koryak
          Koryak 12 December 2013 04: 44
          +3
          Yeah. That's just YOU feed with cookies on your hands.
        3. IGS
          IGS 12 December 2013 05: 45
          10
          Here is the erotic calendar created by the opposition themselves in support of the Maidan laughing I just don’t understand whether it’s advertising or anti-advertising (find every photo there in google, it’s a masterpiece) ... says a lot about what role Ukraine will play, according to the ideas of the guardians of Europe in the EU. And the girls were not filmed for the Maidan, they were "sold" without their knowledge, and without the permission of their parents. many of them are minors, the photo session was for a shoe store. Once again I ask the question: "Are you not ashamed in front of your women?" It's strange ... to talk about servility with bl..oy nature, judging by the calendar, "licking" is a small part of the services you offer for the EU wassat
        4. washi
          washi 12 December 2013 12: 21
          +2
          Quote: romrem
          These are just your conclusions, but really more servile nature you have. Why did you get the idea that they only dream of licking their ass, just because they live better !!! ???

          At whose expense?
          Taxes from the East. All west suburbs depressive regions
      10. standby
        standby 12 December 2013 00: 00
        +2
        People live spiritually, in general, the authorities do not care about people, respectively, they care about the authorities, in the absence of industry they survive as they can. Well, in general, pride and patriotism have been sent out, people no longer identify themselves with the state, they see themselves and children in Europe, and, in their servile psychology, they are slipping into feudalism! The saddest thing is that they don’t even think about the fact that everything is wrong ... Normally they have everything!
      11. Farik
        Farik 12 December 2013 01: 27
        +5
        In vain, in due time, Galicia was included in Ukraine. We would have done autonomy and now in Kiev there would have been less assholes on Independence Square.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 12 December 2013 01: 36
          +1
          Quote: Farik
          In vain, in due time, Galicia was included in Ukraine. We would have done autonomy and now in Kiev there would have been less assholes on Independence Square.

          The best autonomy for them would be beyond the Arctic Circle. Be sure to have a technically equipped perimeter.
    3. chehywed
      chehywed 11 December 2013 15: 26
      27
      Catherine Ashton has already arrived to the Maidan workers, and Victoria Nuland is distributing pies to them from her pens, and I don't care about World Heritage and UNESCO along with it. Just go to the European Union. If they licked me like that, I would be alerted. Forget on the Maidan that free cheese is only in a mousetrap.
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 December 2013 01: 37
        +5
        Quote: chehywed
        Katherine Ashton has come to the Maydan’s, and Victoria Nuland gives them pies from her pens.
        AND COOKIES - a box, a barrel of jam remains to roll up and the salaries of the bad boys are paid ...
    4. yurii p
      yurii p 11 December 2013 17: 10
      13
      I cannot agree with this assessment of Europe .. "Europe can only sharpen with fronts" .. I'm afraid that this is not so, Europe is a shark that disguises itself as a dolphin, the United States does not disguise itself, this is a SHARK, here are two SHARKS persuading Ukraine to the dinner table, guess what will be served on this table? I think no one is mistaken about this platonic love of the SHARK for the fish.
  2. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 11 December 2013 15: 09
    16
    They will plunder the country of inhabitants, they will enslave more to the geyropeytsam into slavery and do not need anything from Ukraine.
    1. AlexW
      AlexW 11 December 2013 15: 20
      32
      shale gas from Ukraine will reduce the dependence of Europe on the Russian Federation ... and the fact that they will ruin the land and waters of Ukraine is a problem for Ukrainians. At home, Europeans legally banned the production of shale gas. Based on the colonization of Krajina .... glass beads are imported, carrots are hung up, natives are crushed in anticipation of pleasure .....
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 December 2013 20: 20
        +8
        Quote: AlexW
        shale gas from Ukraine will reduce the dependence of Europe on the Russian Federation ... but the fact that they will ruin the land and waters of Ukraine is a problem for Ukrainians.

        Reduce dependence on Russia, and at the same time cleanse the country from the Ukrainians themselves!
        The West has no time to feed them the land, its bowels!
        By the way, biological laboratories are already being built there on this topic, according to some reports they are not allowed to build on their territory because of the highest level of biological hazard. Everything fits like a penny !!!
        1. General Frost
          General Frost 12 December 2013 05: 39
          +3
          Well, Klitschko directly stated that they would sell black earth to the West.
  3. homosum20
    homosum20 11 December 2013 15: 11
    17
    The article confirms the thesis that the geyrope urgently needs a new feeding trough for plundering. Otherwise - kirdyk. Therefore, the fight for the opportunity to plunder Ukraine, and through it, possibly, to get into the Russian markets, will be fierce. The USA understands that if it gets bad in gamerope, then the gamerope will make a complaint from the USA - they say we live shitty and rosy here, we will even liquidate families - "..where is the money, Zin ..." But there is no money. and there are no gold reserves even given for storage.
    Confusion, however. So geyropa and can overturn. For those who have a gold reserve, and with hydrocarbons, everything is in order. Therefore, the United States will also peel off, but they will pull Ukraine there too.
    And nothing personal. Just hungry will be either English families (which is inhuman) - or Ukrainian (......).
    And, colleagues, there will still be blood. The stakes are very high.
    And for us - including.
    1. m262
      m262 11 December 2013 20: 34
      +3
      The West atones for all with blood, but NEVER turns its face to us, our whole history is an example ...
    2. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 11 December 2013 21: 32
      +6
      Quote: homosum20
      So geyropa and can overturn. For those who have a gold reserve, and with hydrocarbons, everything is in order.

      Nah ... They will never get over to us. We are for them second-class people, primitive slaves. Subhuman. They always clapped their teeth at us, will clatter further. We stumble - they will attack like a pack of hyenas, but for now they are forced to put on a sheep’s skin.
      Do you know the proverb: "What's on the mind of a sober, then a drunk on the tongue"? It is quite suitable for Europe, if you correct it a little: "What Europe had in mind, Hitler had in his language." angry
      1. just exp
        just exp 12 December 2013 14: 12
        +2
        with hunger and fear, they begin to smile very sweetly.
        if this improves their lives they will call us gods, that in fact they will think this one, but out loud they will say another.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 13 December 2013 13: 32
        0
        Hitler at least put things in order in conquered Europe. Yes, his methods were cruel, but only in this way could these lazy creatures be stirred up
    3. Sid.74
      Sid.74 12 December 2013 12: 56
      +1
      (I don’t even want to think about it, for the cats are scratching their hearts but still!) Well, suppose the terrible thing happened: the EU dragged Ukraine into a treaty! They robbed the plundered Ukraine, broke the industry, pulled the demographics at the expense of the Ukrainians to the Arabs! What will happen next?

      Enough of the resources to support the EU somewhere for a year no more! And this is too optimistic! Because Ukraine is the state of the juveniles with a pre-default budget and a trash negative financial rating!
      But further for Europe, the old hopeless darkness, the EU is bursting at the seams, there is not enough money and social funds and subsidies keep the EU budgets in the red! Germany is in stagnation with a symbolic plus, England is in a fever of banks leaping, mortgage and credit bubble it will burst, Spain and Italy will not work in siesta in the coming years, plus the separatist problem, Scotland can also be remembered, and the mood in Sicily and Catalonia and in the cheerful Lampedusa!
      And the recent allies specifically quarreled on the grounds of espionage (Thanks to dear Edik Snowdenov good ) industrial in Germany, the EU locomotive, and they now look like penguins from a cartoon that smile and wave, smile and wave, but we know that in fact they are like drowning people who crawl over each other’s heads to take a breath of nothing personal survival reflex!
      All these factors separately will not lead to the destruction of the EU design but together it will blow the hell out! And this is only a small part of a specific heap of problems!
      So I sincerely hope that they will not get Ukraine and will not digest! Our guarantor is still very suspiciously calm, I want to believe that he is playing another multi-move! And we have a chance, perhaps for the first time in history, to see how "true" Europeans gnaw each other's throats and pour slops on each other! laughing
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 13 December 2013 21: 52
      0
      Quote: homosum20
      The article confirms the thesis that the geyrope urgently needs a new feeding trough for looting. Otherwise - kirdyk. Therefore, fight for the opportunity to plunder Ukraine,

      Well, you are directly a thinker !!!
      No, they are currently looking for how to put another parasite on the neck ............. good
  4. Scoun
    Scoun 11 December 2013 15: 14
    +3
    Eh ... on another page about the Sultan of Saudi Arabia, bin Kakegotam wrote. repost))
    + the United States itself launched shale gas (oil along the way) and completely closed its demand on the domestic market to the extent that it is promised to put it up for sale. Taking into account the fact that their venture / adventure can last a maximum of another five years, it turns out that for the next two to three years the whole ball will "storm" and "sausage" and only those who can create a system of counterweights will remain in the "boat",
    Now that is why the United States is moving the "noose" from Iran, Iran is showing the "noose" of Saudi Arabia ... and so on and so on ... in general, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt will "bump" and will be involved and Europe will get firmly on "cabbage soup".

    Economic instability in Europe may in the future repeat the path of the United States - the "Great Depression of Europe" and "recoup" will be on the "colored", on the LGBT ...
  5. sichevik
    sichevik 11 December 2013 15: 17
    10
    And in my opinion, Yanyk and the lads are just stuffing a price for themselves. Europe has offered too little money, here it is. type, back and turned on. Now Azarov has announced a new price - 20 billion euros. Geyropa will give money and all. Ukraine will fall under the EU. Stretched until spring and rush under Europe. You can’t believe this urke. Anyway, it’ll surrender, s-s- to Ukraine to the west.
    1. GDP
      GDP 11 December 2013 15: 29
      10
      Naturally few! Poland 160 billion for the reconstruction of the economy was given when admitted to the EU. This is despite the fact that economic and trade relations between Poland and other countries except the EU were practically absent and they did not lose anything.
      They don’t really give anything to Ukraine, they only demand it, and this despite the fact that Ukraine has almost everything tied to Russia, including half the population ... Ukraine’s economy is uncompetitive in Europe, industry and agriculture will be crushed ...
      And they also owe Russia about 30 billion and Europe and the IMF about 10 billion ...
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    3. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 11 December 2013 15: 32
      +4
      Quote: sichevik
      All the same, he will surrender, s-s- to Ukraine in the west.


      that's right!

      but he does not promise! says so, I won’t turn it off!
    4. Basarev
      Basarev 13 December 2013 13: 35
      0
      Western shelupon might lie under Europe, but people from the east of Ukraine just won’t let themselves enslave
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  7. major071
    major071 11 December 2013 15: 23
    15
    They hung on the Maidan Maydauns noodles on the ears about the sweet life in Europe, and those and ears hung. We want, they say, to live like civilized Europeans, we won’t do anything, we’ll lie on the stove in a civilized way all day, and let the Chinese and Negroes work. Europe will help us.
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    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 11 December 2013 15: 35
      +2
      Quote: major071
      , we’ll lie all day in a civilized manner on the stove, and let the Chinese and Negroes work



      .... and Russians! and we will not pay!
    3. Scoun
      Scoun 11 December 2013 17: 17
      +6
      Quote: major071
      Europe will help us.

      Just like in the 90s ..... - Abroad will help us!
      Masochists again want to step on the rake.
      Last year, a part of the people went to a rally because of the fact that the housing and communal services and the town governors were a shkodla ... that is, they got corruption and the White State employees of the US State Department joined them, like the Nemtsovs / Udaltsovs, but only our people still remember where such gorlopans can make ...
  8. sxn278619
    sxn278619 11 December 2013 15: 26
    -20 qualifying.
    Free, duty-free, trade of Ukraine with the European Union will lead to the effect of lower prices
    these goods are for the final Ukrainian consumer, because Ukraine removes customs from its
    borders with the European Union. For starters, you need to understand what customs is. This is when some people who are “Offended by the Power” (C) the movie, “The White Sun of the Desert”,
    goods crossing the state border. In Russia and other countries included in the “customs
    union ”, customs is the main filler of the state budget. Fees
    collected at customs are transferred to the end user, who receives a salary according to gray schemes and thinks that he does not pay taxes to the state. In fact, he still pays,
    since taxes are already included in the higher price of goods that have passed the customs clearance procedure.
    For the end consumer, the absence of customs is manna from heaven.
    1. svp67
      svp67 11 December 2013 15: 38
      19
      Quote: sxn278619
      For the end consumer, the absence of customs is manna from heaven.

      Correctly, but only in cases where the CONSUMER has something to PAY for, and for this it is necessary to EARN, and when the opportunity to EARN IS DROPING, the consumer already has or does not have customs.
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 11 December 2013 15: 45
      12
      And also customs barriers force manufacturers to place them on the territory of the state to reduce the cost of production. Have you ever wondered why in Russia in Russia a bunch of famous enterprises are produced on the spot by Coca-Cola, Mars, Procter and Gamble, Henkel, Reno, Ford, etc.
      1. svp67
        svp67 11 December 2013 16: 03
        +4
        Quote: gecko
        Have you ever wondered why in Russia in Russia a bunch of famous enterprises are produced on the spot by Coca-Cola, Mars, Procter and Gamble, Henkel, Reno, Ford, etc.

        In our case, THANKS THANKS TO CUSTOMS to reduce customs costs ... and not to support our workers
        1. yur
          yur 11 December 2013 21: 03
          +1
          Well, in so doing, OUR state already supports OUR workers.
    3. GDP
      GDP 11 December 2013 15: 47
      15
      At one time, sheep farming was very developed in the North Caucasus. Wool from Australia poured into Russia at very low prices. It became unprofitable to engage in sheep farming, farms went bankrupt, after which the prices for wool began to rise smoothly. This thing is called dumping.
      WE - The state is what we actually produce and grow, and if we do not produce anything, then why excuse me will we buy these goods?
      Cheap goods will pour in, cease to produce them in Ukraine. The owners of enterprises, factories and factories will change, which will send a significant part of the profit abroad. Why will you buy these cheap products?
      Will you have free healthcare and education?
      What will be the pension?
      Where will the state get the money to fulfill its obligations?
      Borrow again? And who will lend money to someone who is not able to repay old debts?
    4. Bigriver
      Bigriver 11 December 2013 15: 48
      15
      Quote: sxn278619
      Free, duty-free, trade of Ukraine with the European Union will lead to the effect of lowering the prices of these goods for the final Ukrainian consumer.
      For the end consumer, the absence of customs is manna from heaven.

      First of all, the end consumer needs work in order to receive money for it. And only then he is interested in goods.
      For the hundreds of thousands of unemployed who will become such in the event of a wonderful duty free trade, your words are like a dead poultice wassat
      Manna from heaven is a growing economy and new jobs. You say the opposite. On squeezing the economy and destroying the production of surplus value.
    5. AlexW
      AlexW 11 December 2013 15: 50
      11
      the reduction in the price of imported goods will lead to the bankruptcy of local uncompetitive producers and ultimately the elimination of jobs ..... who will pay the salary to the end consumer? At the same time, budget revenues from customs and taxes from enterprises (bankrupt) will stop .... who will pay pensions, social benefits, etc. to the end consumer? The question is what .... will buy pennies, even cheap goods, the end consumer? Where is the manna from heaven here ??
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 12 December 2013 01: 05
        +2
        Quote: AlexW
        The question is what .... will buy pennies, even cheap goods, the end consumer? Where is the manna from heaven here ??

        Our Russians will come and buy everything in bulk at the root, while local people will trample for penny earnings, some who come to us, some who go to Europe.
    6. Terner38
      Terner38 11 December 2013 16: 14
      +4
      When there is something to “consume” - it may well be, but since our own industry and agriculture will be destroyed, then there will be nothing to “consume”.
    7. varov14
      varov14 11 December 2013 16: 28
      +6
      And the truth is, the price of lard has fallen, on the other hand, your own pigs have disappeared, and tomorrow, perhaps, you can do a double. The customs, far from the fifth wheel from the cart, takes a percentage so that we don’t pay fools twice, three times.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 11 December 2013 17: 16
        +1
        "... their own pigs are gone ..."
        But this is already "F-F-F-F-F-F !!!", which is buzzing for a reason. We already have some h (m) udak trying to legitimize the rules for keeping pigs, as well as other animals, in private farmsteads. On the one hand, it is good, on the other hand, it is not known how this will turn out in the end.
    8. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 11 December 2013 16: 33
      +8
      Quote: sxn278619
      For the end consumer, the absence of customs is manna from heaven.

      Everything is fine, just do not forget the simple everyday economic truths told by the cat Matroskin from the m / f "Prostokvashino":
      - "To buy something you have to sell something."
      There will be no work - there will be no money for a simple end consumer, there will be no money he will not care how much the TV costs $ 500 or $ 350.
    9. faraon
      faraon 11 December 2013 17: 23
      +5
      sxn278619 RU Today, 15:26

      Free, duty-free, trade of Ukraine with the European Union will lead to the effect of lower prices
      these goods are for the final Ukrainian consumer, because Ukraine removes customs from its
      borders with the European Union

      the answer to what bucks to buy these cheap goods that Ukraine earned at full production capacity, per capita GDP rose to the level of Russia. Or Ukraine began to produce something other than tanks with high-tech icon-capable capabilities that could easily break away from Russian oil and gas.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 11 December 2013 20: 40
        +1
        but do not tell me what Ukraine will start to produce this, that everyone will rush to buy? and that they will use instead of the so-unloved by you Russian oil and gas. You’ll probably throw wood from Israel.
    10. Scoun
      Scoun 11 December 2013 17: 24
      +1
      Quote: sxn278619
      goods for the end Ukrainian consumer

      Of course, Europeans will be very happy to increase their production volumes at the expense of Ukraine and you will be very pleased to see a "cheap" mobile phone on the counter.)))
      Quote: svp67
      and for this you need to EARN,

      He thinks that if the European appeared on the counter, then he already went into the ladies))) and the fact that so many enterprises will start to close and that there will be a lot of unemployed people (who will start coming to us because no one cancels their visas to Europe) he cares a little , the main thing on the counter is the European sausage))
    11. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 11 December 2013 21: 53
      +4
      Quote: sxn278619
      Free, duty-free, trade of Ukraine with the European Union will lead to the effect of lower prices

      Ofon !!! fool Dear, you should at least "walk" through the basics of economics for a start! Yes, they found out why customs were invented at all. Then they started ranting, if there was anything ...
      Either the Primer himself lit up in the bushes, or he realized that some sucker-half-educated guys were discussing ... negative
    12. Jager
      Jager 12 December 2013 02: 35
      +4
      You are our economist! Europe will strangle and destroy Ukraine’s industry in two. Corporations take over resources. And that’s it. Little Russia for Europe as an oxygen cushion - only it can at least somehow support the crumbling EU economy for a while. Ukraine will be gutted. Most of the industry is tied to its closest neighbors - Russia and Belarus. The severance of ties with them through the customs checkpoint will lead to a worsening of the economic situation. Ukraine for the EU is a market and natural resources. And no more. And for me personally - a fraternal country. How to reconcile everyone - let the Westerners fall into the EU, the eastern are part of the Russian Federation. It’s a pity no one will do it.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 13 December 2013 13: 49
        0
        There are also rumors that so many non-traditional Europeans are staring at Ukrainian children. This is a terrible danger, to prevent which is our main task
    13. alicante11
      alicante11 12 December 2013 05: 24
      +4
      For the end consumer, the absence of customs is manna from heaven.


      As if you do not live in a monopoly capitalist state. And under some kind of socialism, or under a market economy with a "human face". Where did you get the idea that in the absence of customs, prices will fall? We were also told that upon joining the WTO, prices for foreign ownership would fall. Fuck with two, sir. Prices remained as they were, but the faces of the oligarchs became even more glazed and in the Forbes they again stretched upward. Because why reduce the price if they buy at this price? And where will they go, if all the same I agree with the "competitor" neighbor-oligarch.
      The situation here is very simple. Sellers will make the price tag a little lower than for ukrov goods (unless, of course, they are on the market) in order to score competitors. And in a year or two they will raise it when there is no one to compete with.
      What kind of people are they, all their lives dreaming of freebies. After all, how many times have already been thrown in just the last 20 years. But no, anyway, "someone good and kind will come and lower our prices." Yes, Mavrodi will sooner distribute debts to MMM than the capitalists will lower prices.
    14. alicante11
      alicante11 12 December 2013 05: 33
      +4
      Also, why would anyone think that European goods are cheap? All my life it was that Europeans sold everything dearly. For this, they also brought production to China and imported migrant workers, because European labor is highly valued. But even if gaster works, you look at the European benefits, at the earnings of the indigenous population. All of this is still valid. So where will the "CHEAP" European products come from? Do you think why introduce European standards in the industry? It's very simple. So that the costs of their introduction are included in the cost of ukrov goods. This is the way to win "fair competition". Even if loans are given. They will have to be given. So, even the Ukrov products will not be cheap and the European ones will not be in trouble. And you won't have a job. So let's see how you buy.
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    1. AlexW
      AlexW 11 December 2013 16: 00
      +9
      and what, someone invites them to his home?
  10. Russ69
    Russ69 11 December 2013 15: 37
    +9
    Quote: sxn278619
    For the end consumer, the absence of customs is manna from heaven.

    Prices will fall on some western products. The question is who will buy them, so local production will begin to bend and unemployment will increase.
  11. VadimSt
    VadimSt 11 December 2013 15: 39
    17
    Here, some "deified" the swindlers from Bolotnaya, and now they zealously rushed to "condemn" the Maidan. You shouldn't even look for examples of double standards, some patriots, on the side?

    Ukrainian Maidan - this is the Russian Swamp! That says it all and convincing these lackeys is useless!
    1. vladek64
      vladek64 11 December 2013 15: 48
      26
      Quote: VadimSt
      Ukrainian Maidan is the Russian Bolotnaya


      You will laugh how much you guessed: In ancient times, on the site of the Maidan there was a Goat SWAMP. The swamp has long been gone, and the goats are still pulling in that place.
      1. Ishtan
        Ishtan 12 December 2013 08: 54
        +2
        And there are no accidents)
      2. In the book
        In the book 12 December 2013 10: 33
        0
        you are mistaken:
        http://www.interesniy.kiev.ua/dost/ulitsy-i-ploshchadi-kieva/vul-lyuteranska-ul-
        lyuteranskaya / ne-bylo-bolota-na-meste-maydana
  12. calocha
    calocha 11 December 2013 15: 41
    +4
    In the West, only death is for us, we need to trample our path ...
  13. NKVD
    NKVD 11 December 2013 15: 48
    10
    The author has not yet written that in the pretexts of entry there are still cuts in salaries and pensions, an increase in utility bills. The head does not think at all. You will get bored !!!!!!!!!!!!! to the delight of gays from Europe. It is even more surprising that some of the opposition leaders are not blinking about 2 thousand provocateurs on the part of the official authorities. Although only a blind person will not see who the provocateur is, are they already preparing themselves to be gay in advance?
  14. Shuriken
    Shuriken 11 December 2013 15: 50
    23
    Mykola, and sho tse "associated membership"? - Well, godfather, Ukraine will participate in the EU. - So it will enter the EU? - No, it will not enter, but it will participate. - Yak so? - Well, roughly, yak eggs in sexual intercourse: they participate, but they don't. And so, they hang out nearby
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 11 December 2013 21: 58
      +1
      Quote: Shuriken
      yak eggs in sexual intercourse: participate, but do not enter. And so, dangling nearby

      good good good
  15. sasska
    sasska 11 December 2013 16: 01
    +8
    I read opuses about the Maidan - in general, they promised the natives glass beads ... recourse
  16. Shuriken
    Shuriken 11 December 2013 16: 11
    +3
    As they say, they learn from mistakes. Smart ones from strangers (Bulgaria, Romania, Shprotland, etc.), stupid from their own .... Hey, they would have thrown off their prisoner and lived in an association for a year ... And on Maidan in a new way, this time against the destruction of industry, trade quotas, juvenile justice in Europe, alization and other European buzzes! No, well, the people of Zarabochits won't go, it's like miners and metallurgists today, it’s understandable ...
    1. vladek64
      vladek64 11 December 2013 16: 44
      +2
      In a year, ruins will remain from industry and there will be nothing to save.
      1. morpex
        morpex 11 December 2013 19: 24
        -3
        Quote: vladek64
        In a year, ruins will remain from industry and there will be nothing to save.

        And now, what, they’re saving? They’ll ruin so much that Europe couldn’t even dream of! Only one example. Lugansk diesel locomotive. They sold to the Russians. Those that barely breathed finished to the end. People are fired. How many agreements have we signed in the CIS? So what? Russian businessmen do not need a competitor. Ukrainian or Turkish. It makes no difference. And I don’t see a difference between the EU and the TC. Friendship is friendship and there are separate tablets ... Capitalism is called.
        We must throw off this stinking power, headed by Ham, zatzatyvat sleeves and plow, plow, plow ... Nobody can help us okromya ourselves. Everyone is looking for their own benefit ...
        1. Gecko
          Gecko 11 December 2013 21: 39
          +5
          The year before last, a memorandum was signed between Luganskteplovoz, Transmashholding, Ukrzaliznytsia and the Lugansk Regional State Administration that Luganskteplovoz will release 292 electric locomotives for Ukrainian railways. Then the management of "Ukrzaliznytsia" insisted that these machines were produced precisely in Lugansk.

          Luganskteplovoz is the largest taxpayer in Lugansk. Now it employs 6 thousand workers. Placing such a solid order, designed for 5 years, could increase the number of employees at times.

          Lugansk diesel locomotives really increase production. This year, it was planned to produce 250 sections of diesel locomotives for Russian Railways (one diesel locomotive consists of two sections) - this is 70 percent more than in the past. The plans are to invite an additional 800 workers.

          And most likely next year Russia, due to throwing back and forth of Ukraine, will not want to order anything from an unstable partner.
        2. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 11 December 2013 23: 05
          +6
          Quote: morpex
          Just one example. Lugansk diesel locomotive building. Sold to the Russians. What barely breathed finished to the end. People fired.

          Breshes, uncle! No. The "Luganskteplovoz" is working. It is the Russians who put him on his feet, because except in the CIS, he has nowhere to sell his products. The production capacity was designed for the entire USSR, in Ukraine alone it will bend in six months, and in Europe its products are not needed. That's the difference between the EU and the CU. So there is no need to muddy the waters, even now I can call there and find out in more detail the state of "Luganskteplovoz", although I already know that everything is fine there. There the son of my classmate works as a repairman.
          And on the Maidan, people like you are fooling around ... fool
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 December 2013 08: 36
            +1
            Yeah, S. curvatured a master meal.
        3. In the book
          In the book 12 December 2013 10: 34
          -1
          Quote: morpex
          We must throw off this stinking power, headed by Ham, zatzatyvat sleeves and plow, plow, plow ... Nobody can help us okromya ourselves. Everyone is looking for their own benefit ...

          The man spoke out sensibly. Capitalism has no nationality.
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 12 December 2013 18: 46
            0
            Quote: Libr
            The man spoke out sensibly. Capitalism has no nationality.

            And the first part of his comment, which you did not quote, is also sensible? Or according to the principle - does the end justify the means?
  17. msv
    msv 11 December 2013 16: 20
    +4
    Quote: sxn278619
    Free, duty-free, trade of Ukraine with the European Union will lead to the effect of lower prices
    these goods are for the final Ukrainian consumer, because Ukraine removes customs from its
    borders with the European Union. For starters, you need to understand what customs is. This is when some people who are “Offended by the Power” (C) the movie, “The White Sun of the Desert”,
    goods crossing the state border. In Russia and other countries included in the “customs
    union ”, customs is the main filler of the state budget. Fees
    collected at customs are transferred to the end user, who receives a salary according to gray schemes and thinks that he does not pay taxes to the state. In fact, he still pays,
    since taxes are already included in the higher price of goods that have passed the customs clearance procedure.
    For the end consumer, the absence of customs is manna from heaven.


    Stupidity
  18. morpogr
    morpogr 11 December 2013 16: 39
    +2
    Solid halva halva halva but something sweet for those who signed the agreement does not become.
  19. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 11 December 2013 16: 42
    +5
    Quote: sxn278619
    For the end consumer, the absence of customs is manna from heaven.


    Well, if this consumer is a Donetsk or Zhytomyr girl, working on call or at a point in Moscow, buying imported underwear and dressing in a Kiev boutique, seeing her mother on short leave, then this is certainly so ...
    But the peasant Zhytomyr or the worker or engineer from the Nikolaev pipe is unlikely to like this innovation ...
  20. VladUrich
    VladUrich 11 December 2013 16: 49
    24
    An interesting look of a Polish professor teaching in Z. Ukraine about the views of his students on the association.

    I have family history reasons to look at what is happening in Ukraine from a distance.
    I struggle with myself to be objective in this regard, which is not so simple.
    I do not know if I see more of my compatriots, but I certainly see it differently.
    And at the same time, I understand that, damn it, I understand nothing.


    On Friday, I returned from Western Ukraine. I conduct classes with students there. Of course, we discussed their country's EU suction.
    Why do they want in the EU? - Visa-free regime. Everyone emphasized this. And this is a strong argument.
    What are their economic expectations after joining? - earn more.
    They disbelieved my explanations that the EU will not increase their wages.
    What are the expectations for infrastructure? - repair roads.
    They could not even think that, in the end, they themselves could fix them.
    What are their political expectations? - dismiss Yanukovych!
    Who should replace him - the group did not come to a consensus (in the discussion the names fell: Kuchma, Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and even Klitschko).
    None of my students agreed to pay more for anything after joining the EU, including gas and gas.
    After thirty minutes, the Euro enthusiasm of young people from Western Ukraine was significantly weakened, but there was still more - visas.
    It was also interesting to argue the answer to the question: why should I exchange Yanukovych for someone else? - He does not want to be in the EU.
    It turns out that if the EU lifted the visa regime for Ukrainians, President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych could continue to rule.
    A complete, unpleasant surprise for them was the information that Germany and France were really not welcome in the EU.
    More surprising was the news that the European Union could cancel their visas without the need to join it - as canceled by many non-EU countries.
    Following this logic, the Poles with 1989 had to overthrow every government because we still need visas to enter the United States.

    In Poland, the attitude towards Ukrainian accession to the EU is even less clear. What is our biggest problem? - Unemployment.
    Again it has grown and currently stands at 13,3%. It is for this reason that several million Poles are working abroad.
    Or after Ukraine joins the EU in Poland unemployment will decrease? - Of course not! Will increase!
    Can the situation of our compatriots in the EU labor markets improve then? Of course not!
    It will only get worse: it will be harder to find a job and pay rates will drop.
    Will Poland lose its position as the main beneficiary of EU assistance? Definitely yes!
    The amount of labor will simply increase ...
    So why do we want Ukraine to join the EU? - To tear it out of the "paws of Russia." But why?
    In the end, we do not need it? To annoy the Russians! And why? Yes because!
    I do not understand what flies out of the mouth of Polish politicians. I hear that Ukraine’s joining the EU will make democracy come to this country.
    Although no, wait - by offering Ukraine the signing of an accession agreement in Vilnius, this country has already been considered a democratic state.
    So this democracy has emigrated somewhere? Everyone agrees that we need to talk with Ukraine.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 13 December 2013 14: 06
      0
      Can the Westerners not realize that democracy is a myth? I have already said that even the creators of democracy from ancient Greece realized that democracy is just a screen for even more aggressive plunder of the country
  21. VladUrich
    VladUrich 11 December 2013 16: 50
    +9
    Encouraged by this, the Polish Foreign Minister publicly accuses President Yanukovych and his government of corruption.
    When I read this, I thought that he was sniffing something or was drunk. But no - there were no consequences; apparently represented the position of the government.
    So, it was such a delicate invitation to the discussion.
    The leader of the Polish opposition, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, spoke at the Kiev Maidan.
    Being a Euro-skeptic in Poland, he appeared in Kiev as an Euro-enthusiast.
    He was happy as a child when, after his words, the crowd exploded with approving shouts.
    It is a pity that no one translated to him that these were the screams of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) - the organization responsible for the genocide of more than 100 thousand Poles during the Second World War.
    It’s a pity, because only 5 months ago, Yaroslav Kaczynski tried to have the Polish Sejm call this crime genocide.
    One of the first decisions of President Viktor Yanukovych (a "corrupt anti-democratic") was the extra UPA commander - Stepan Bandera - the title of Hero of Ukraine. He was made a hero by the ("pro-European") predecessor of Yanukovych - Viktor Yushchenko.
    It is worth remembering that he became president with the help of the former president of Poland - Alexander Kvashnevsky.
    That's how European thanked us. Yushchenko himself became president after Leonid Kuchma - who was accused of a dictator, whom Alexander Kvashnevsky repeatedly supported with his authority.
    And, probably, this fact should not be combined with the fact that Kuchma’s son-in-law was the patron of the Kwasniewski Foundation.
    And these donations were in the millions of dollars. But, perhaps, in vain I recall all this, because thanks to the Minister of Foreign Affairs we know that it is Yanukovych who is the most corrupt person and no one else.
    Even sitting in prison for the fact of corruption - Yulia Tymoshenko.
    What is happening at the moment in Poland during the discussions of Ukraine reminds me of a sensation during lectures describing the effects after taking drugs.
    If I, as a Polish patriot, wanted to do something to spite Putin, I would have to fall in love with Yulia Tymoshenko.
    After all, it is about Russia and Putin. Speaking of Russia. Polish state television - TVP changes its correspondent in Moscow.
    He becomes a reporter who does not know the Russian language! Shocking? - only it seems. After all, he should not understand the Russians, and even listen.
    The main thing is to talk about them. What? - What will be required of him.

    Cyprian Darchevski is a Polish publicist for the Voice of Russia radio in Poland.
    Source reference
    http://www.polska-ka...1-polandukraine
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 11 December 2013 17: 05
      +8
      Quote: VladUrich
      Cyprian Darchevski is a Polish publicist for the Voice of Russia radio in Poland.

      Thank Cyprian (Zen Barzo)
  22. Not served
    Not served 11 December 2013 16: 50
    0
    No noise, so calm ....
    11.12.2013, 09: 42
    JP: Israel will agree on free trade with Russia

    Israel and Russia will soon begin negotiations on a free trade agreement, reports The Jerusalem Post.

    The agreement aims to expand the volume of mutual trade. An agreement to start negotiations was reached last week at a meeting of Israeli Minister of Economy Naftali Bennett and Russian Minister for Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev in Bali, the newspaper writes. New negotiations are ongoing as part of Bennett’s efforts to diversify Israeli trade and weaken the country's focus on trade with the United States, Israel’s largest trading partner, the newspaper writes.

    According to representatives of the Israeli government, Bennett poses the EU as a key strategic economic partner for Israel, but also understands that Israel cannot rely only on trade relations and needs to expand them in the East. Israel is also interested in free trade negotiations with China and will raise this issue in May during a visit to China by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Last year, Israel’s trade with Russia was only $ 2 billion, with equal imports and exports.

    Gazeta.Ru

    And do not care that Israel is a member of the EU. 50% of all imports are brought through Finland ... Poland supplies us meat, Baltic products ... And Ukraine will be equated, i.e. remove a competitor from the Russian market.
    As for the Zapadentsev. So they work not only in Europe. Historically oil is our north zapadensky. So they have not forgotten their language for 30 years, he himself saw a glider in Usinsk in Ukrainian.
    I also don't understand the transition to European regulations. At each plant, they can be customized for the Buyer. Equipment is transported to Russia from Europe and the states and there are no particular problems, and they are certified much faster than ours. And how many prefabricated hodgepodge generally keep quiet, one part of the United States, the other Italy, the "box" container is our assembly. Sensors China ... and nothing.
    An elementary redistribution of power and nothing more!

    Indeed, their West and East are too different and they do not understand and will not understand each other. But if there is a divorce, then only peacefully ...
  23. MolGro
    MolGro 11 December 2013 17: 00
    +7
    As I look at this picture, I see Ukraine)
  24. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 December 2013 17: 01
    +5
    Quote: Shuriken
    Mykola, and sho tse "associated membership"? - Well, godfather, Ukraine will participate in the EU. - So it will enter the EU? - No, it will not enter, but it will participate. - Yak so? - Well, roughly, yak eggs in sexual intercourse: they participate, but they don't. And so, they hang out nearby

    laughing laughing laughing What a well-aimed joke ..))) He laughed heartily ..
  25. MolGro
    MolGro 11 December 2013 17: 10
    +5
    Ukrainian MPs are writing an application to the EU !!
  26. Keeper
    Keeper 11 December 2013 17: 17
    0
    The signing of an association with the EU in Ukraine would create a new institution of "minority secs", at the end of which diplomas of "tolerance" would be issued, which are more quoted in the EU than any good education and family institution with knowledge of their "family tree" .. ...
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  29. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 December 2013 17: 41
    +9
    Great chess game played! Bravo Putin! First, Obama was clicked on the nose (and very gruffly for the whole world))) Now Europe has been lowered .. (screeching is already laying ears ..))) Significant silence of Putin (which in the Syrian crisis regarding Ukraine ..) will now make horror and panic on all talkers and provocateurs .. For a long time I was not so proud for my country and the head of state! That would be such significant victories within the country to calculate and fulfill .. (I do not want to jinx it ..))) But there is such a thought .. time is needed
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 11 December 2013 20: 48
      +3
      that’s just the point, on the external front it’s normal, but the internal one is not good for some reason.
      1. just exp
        just exp 12 December 2013 14: 22
        +1
        are you starving? nothing to wear? Do you write from a neighbor's PC?
  30. sasska
    sasska 11 December 2013 18: 02
    10
    Quote: alex-s
    Is it really so stupid there ?!

    obviously their alien example taught nothing
  31. mountain
    mountain 11 December 2013 18: 48
    +1
    Epppp, you read and dumb words ............................................ ...............................about
    mate days.
  32. Yura
    Yura 11 December 2013 19: 26
    +1
    The British will retire in 70 years.

    “The head of the Ministry of Finance of Great Britain George Osborne said that the retirement age in his country will be raised to 70 years. So, citizens born in the 1990s, will go on a well-deserved rest only after 2060.

    This reform will save £ 50 billion over the next 500 years. ”
    This money saved is not enough even for the payment of unemployment benefits to those who will become it after the implementation of this reform.
  33. sasska
    sasska 11 December 2013 19: 30
    0
    By the way, the question is relevant and not only for Small Britain
    According to the National Audit Office, taking into account the demographic and economic situation, as well as the specifics of the pension system in Estonia, it is important to find the most suitable automatic mechanism in pension affairs and apply it.
    An agreement on this should be reached as early as possible in order to start applying the mechanism in 2026, when the increase in the established retirement age ends.
    If the automatic mechanism is deemed inappropriate, then you can decide to raise the retirement age after 2026, at the same pace as in 2017–2026. As a result, by 2051, the retirement age would have risen to 70 years, according to the annual report of the State Audit Office published today.

  34. bubla5
    bubla5 11 December 2013 19: 33
    +3
    They want to let them go, they’ll sign it in March anyway, their Yanek already promised to think before March, that he will collect money from Russia and sign membership with the EU, ours will forgive anyway
  35. voliador
    voliador 11 December 2013 20: 26
    +3
    When industry begins to bend there at a rapid pace, eastern Ukraine will stand on its hind legs, because most of the industries are located there. They piderointegration tries .. not needed.
  36. Bosk
    Bosk 11 December 2013 20: 29
    +3
    The guys need to be optimistic, well, for example, Europe will succeed in breaking Ukraine into its alliance ... and now imagine what kind of Maidan they will receive in their opposition, western Ukraine will by inertia wake up any Maidan (because they don’t know anything else), but when will they take water already the guys from there will join in for the destruction of the industry of eastern Ukraine, and this is no longer a Trojan horse ... this is the whole TROYAN TABUN! on their head! And secondly, you can’t expand something forever, and besides, feeding promises along the way ... it can end not with a weak BA-BACH.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 12 December 2013 08: 49
      +2
      Firstly, no one is calling Ukraine to the EU. After all, they gave an example of Turkey, which is associated with 60's. And secondly, in tolerant Europe, with the Maydan people they act very simply. Using batons and tear gas. And most maydaunas are planted far away and for a long time, or even buried quickly and shallowly. So do not think that after Ukraine lies under the EU, it will be allowed to at least once rebounce. Will lie sweetheart and try to have fun.
  37. darksoul
    darksoul 11 December 2013 20: 36
    +1
    American congressman shows already walks with buns feeds Ukrainians, brothers survived
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 11 December 2013 21: 41
      +2
      feeds
  38. IGS
    IGS 11 December 2013 21: 31
    +7
    All argue about something ....
    A STATE COUPLING is taking place in Ukraine, initialized and financed by several Western states, to which the current government, in view of the loss of all trust, cannot oppose anything. The people of Ukraine do not have the right to vote, they did not give a referendum to him, and he has to do with all this, like meat to a meat grinder.
    All. Dot.
    And disputes over the CU, the EU, 900 page contracts, who, what and to whom, or maybe something else - tinsel, distracting from the main thing.
  39. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 11 December 2013 22: 04
    10
    Personally, my opinion. Nobody needs Ukraine in the West. As neither Russia nor Belarus is needed. It's time to learn how to separate the grains from the chaff. I mean the economy from politics. Riding around in the form of unfounded promises is politics. We abandon the fishing rod in the form of human rights, free visas, democracy, and so on, such as blah, blah, blah and and we draw a huge crucian carp in the form of a new sales market, and therefore loading our enterprises and improving the economic situation. Not only Ukrainian, but our own, European. Nobody has yet repealed the laws of capitalism. This is the economy. Those who are not thinking cannot (or do not want to) think and draw conclusions (even on the examples of the same Bulgaria, Romania or the Baltic states), and those who understand this are a substantial minority.
    As a result, wolves in sheep’s clothing chuckle for their eyes, but really the sheep going to slaughter shine about some benefits where they are not expected. Only the very truth is hidden somewhere in the lower reaches of society, from where they simply do not allow it to emerge, for a lie from above there is truth for the lower classes in all instances.
    Are we too (people in general) playing with the substitution of concepts?
    It is very sad ... And purely human somehow and sorry for the sheep going to slaughter ... winked
  40. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 11 December 2013 22: 13
    +4
    Anecdote in the topic:
    Mykola, and sho tse "associated membership"? - Well, godfather, Ukraine will participate in the EU. - So it will join the EU? - No, it will not enter, but it will participate. - Yak so? - Well, roughly, yak eggs in intercourse: they participate, but they do not. And so, they hang out nearby
  41. Sax
    Sax 11 December 2013 22: 22
    -5
    Quote: IGS
    A STATE COUPLING is taking place in Ukraine, initialized and financed by several Western states, to which the current government, in view of the loss of all trust, cannot oppose anything. The people of Ukraine do not have the right to vote

    So where, then, is the coup?
    1. IGS
      IGS 12 December 2013 04: 19
      +4
      Turn on TV: the seizure of state institutions, disobedience to the current, LEGITIMAL government, etc., etc. Enough blabla. And about the result - we'll see. And change the method, when you are a troll, show your imagination, otherwise they will not pay, here you have to work out your market, you don’t ask Russia: "give, give."
    2. In the book
      In the book 12 December 2013 10: 51
      -5
      It is difficult to prove here to local commentators that the people on Maidan in Kiev are basically no longer for the EU, but because the authorities have already got them.
      What is considered a PUBLIC Coup?
      The reaction of people who came to the Maidan after a group of students stupidly beat a small group of students on the night of November 30 to December 1?
      How provocateurs were launched in front of the presidential administration on Bankova Street, then completely different people were beaten and arrested. How these people were taken by "law enforcement" in paddy wagons throughout Kiev, along the way I beat them with clubs and brass knuckles
      How the people of Ukraine should have reacted when, at the "round table" (http://24ukrnews.com/files/upload/2013-12/lsd6ty6a8onrj7.jpg), three former presidents and one current one was announced by Bandyukovich that no one would use force ... And on the same night, at 01.00, a group of golden eagles again appeared on the Maidan, smashing people with their truncheons, they stated the reason for this: cleaning the roads by public utilities? Even if this is so, for this that there is no light part of the day?
      The current Ukrainian authorities are hypocrites and not decent people, they say one thing, something completely different is being done. Now the authorities are going to arrange anti-Maidan in Kiev at the expense of the army, to bring there (at the expense of budget money) 200 people. I know very well how state employees are brought there ..
      1. IGS
        IGS 12 December 2013 14: 59
        0
        how on the night of November 30 to December 1 a group of Berkut members stupidly beat a small group of students?
        Leave your blabla for the Maidan, I saw what happened there on web cameras. There is no need to poke in rotten fish, here people are generally healthy, not blinkered by anyone's propaganda, including Russian propaganda, if these attempts can be called that. I saw the first night "nerdy kids" running not from riot police, but at him. As for the people who came, I don't know about everyone, but here are some suggestions for a part-time job http://vk.com/club51936140
        How the provocateurs were launched in front of the presidential administration on Bankova, then completely different people were beaten and arrested.
        More fantasy, more. The same people took over the rest of the buildings. Are the buildings vacated? Those who captured were punished or condemned? And who filled up the monument to Lenin? People? At the AP, everyone saw what kind of "children" they were, and they disowned them. How many people from OMON are in the hospital, and not with a bruised finger, but with a mother-in-law of the head, and fractures of the OCH. The result of the work of "twos" So I'm wasting time on you, but I'm not writing to you. Here you are an obvious troll, you have such a job, I specifically looked at all your comments. Please bring to your superiors to send someone smarter here, here the contingent is snickering, one can say simply gourmet to indecent laughing Anyway, that will not swallow No.. To know that he is a troll, but to make it interesting, to like lying, read our Jews, learn, here’s aerobatics, because sometimes you know what you're lying, and you slap him a plus, for the beauty of the game laughing ! And many generals, and not because they ply themselves. Or read A.S. Pushkin and learn from him. How beautifully lied .. the pancake became a classic. Your customers, who drove for 20 years, are now being driven, there is not enough imagination, at least a little to be corrected ... More creative, more creative somehow you need to ...
  42. sasska
    sasska 11 December 2013 22: 59
    +1
    NATO believes that the future of Ukraine is with Europe

    The annual meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission was held in Brussels. Alliance Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow, who chaired it, tweeted about it: “Everyone agreed that the future of Ukraine is on the way with Europe”.

    The meeting was attended by Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Andriy Olefirov and ambassadors of NATO countries.

    “The ambassadors emphasized the fact that an independent, sovereign and stable Ukraine remains the key to European security,” said NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu. “Therefore, we are following with great concern and attention what is happening in Ukraine”.

    EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton came from Brussels to Kiev to observe this situation.
    short video http://megogo.net/e/1026931


    in general, as in poker "paint"
  43. crest 57
    crest 57 11 December 2013 23: 31
    +6
    In general, the situation is continuous ...
    One is confusing. Why is Russia silent, in particular the Foreign Ministry? !!!
    Guys in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, well, at least a word about the fact that it’s worthless for any Western rabble to climb into Ukraine (damn it, rolls with ... it’s giving out - pah)!
    Support, if only in a note, normal people, otherwise the word of honor becomes very dreary.
    Take a look at how these ghouls pounced, so it is necessary to somehow balance the situation.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 12 December 2013 08: 55
      +1
      What for? In order to justify again ... that, they say, we are preventing the poor squalid squares from going to the EU. The sense from these statements. Now, if troops are sent to the eastern regions, that is yes. But ours will not agree to this either. So we stock up on beer and smelt and watch a fascinating film - "Yanukovych in a Frying Pan". Of course, ordinary Ukrainians are sorry. But, after all, nothing depends on them, as well as on us.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 12 December 2013 10: 40
      +3
      Quote: 57
      One is confusing. Why is Russia silent, in particular the Foreign Ministry? !!!

      It must be admitted that the Russian ambassador M. Zurabov turned out to be a thorn in the eye of Russian diplomacy. Having screwed up (more precisely, making a fortune) on the supply of medicines to the Russian Federation at inflated prices, "having built up" his personal budget at the expense of the Pension Fund, he was sent to Ukraine by the ambassador, in a sort of honorable resignation "Out of sight ...". I suspect that in Ukraine he was presented with a "box from a copier" with the words "Sit and do not blather ...".
    3. just exp
      just exp 12 December 2013 14: 27
      +1
      here the Foreign Ministry is not important, but the SVR, it’s not so simple with Syria as it seems, the main work was behind the curtains, even the Saxons of the Amers abruptly ceased to support.
      Russia is watching carefully, but does not advertise its actions.
  44. Sterlya
    Sterlya 12 December 2013 00: 20
    +1
    I’m probably out of luck. how many friends of Ukrainians were in life. all from the west. and to be honest. I can’t say anything good about anything.
    First acquaintances of 2 zapadents in the All-Union pioneer camp "Orlyonok".
    For the first time in my life, I had a fight with a non-Tatar. I could not stand their villains. I was 12 years old then. and agree to them, too, was 12. but so vile. and I remember the hour. and the rest were all normal. and from other union republics. Then they corresponded for a long time. lived like a family.
    1. Sax
      Sax 12 December 2013 00: 48
      +2
      Maybe you have bad luck in relation to Ukrainians in general? what
  45. groin
    groin 12 December 2013 08: 23
    0
    The people are generally the same everywhere. With their (good-bad) bells and whistles, but it is. They want to eat like everyone else, live well, raise children. But different people rule the people, with different goals and methods. Unfortunately, for many rulers, even their native people and meat. everyone decides for himself - nationality has nothing to do with it.
    1. washi
      washi 12 December 2013 12: 53
      +1
      Quote: groin
      The people are generally the same everywhere. With their (good-bad) bells and whistles, but it is. They want to eat like everyone else, live well, raise children. But different people rule the people, with different goals and methods. Unfortunately, for many rulers, even their native people and meat. everyone decides for himself - nationality has nothing to do with it.

      People are different everywhere. Different education.
      Even in the USSR everyone hated Muscovites, because of their arrogance (until they put it in place). Caucasians individually are amazing people, but you can never appoint one member of the same tribe. Urban Kazakhs did not differ from the Russians, but from the villages ... Literacy is zero. The machine and then they were afraid giving. The Uzbeks are literate, but aspired to the rear. Turkmens are wild, for the most part not literate, but they must feel the master. Zapadentsy - h..l without a string is not x..l. Love of power and selfishness. But if it is correctly directed, then amazing KOs and ZKV.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 12 December 2013 14: 19
        +3
        Quote: Vasya
        Even in the USSR everyone hated Muscovites

        And even now in the regions the saying "Rooks flew to us - ne ... Muscovites" laughing
        The defiant behavior of the inhabitants of the capitals is a phenomenon, at least, of a pan-European scale. They, the inhabitants of the capitals, are equally disliked in Poland, Norway and Germany (he asked, talked with the local "provincials"). Ukraine is no exception.
  46. andron352
    andron352 12 December 2013 09: 15
    +1
    In the late 80s and early 90s, he lived in Uzhgorod, Zakapratye. A half-Russian, half-Azerbaijani girl from Baku worked at the plant. She married a Western Ukrainian. She told me: They came to visit her husband's parents for some kind of holiday, and those conversations only "RUSSIAN" are such "RUSSIAN". I said I could not resist, jumped out of the table. My husband caught up and reassured. Then he says to his parents, "I have a Russian wife, and in front of her, don't say bad things about Russians."
    1. Anatolich
      Anatolich 12 December 2013 11: 37
      +2
      We worked with a team from western Ukraine tiled roofs. Well, peasants, like peasants, invited me to a feast after work somehow, somehow, one of them had a birthday. We sat and drank everything was normal, but as soon as we got into a conversation about politics, it started. Russia is a colonialist, invader, tyrant, and so on and so forth. Eastern Ukraine generally sucks, beggars, we have zapadents on our neck. I say that then you are coming here to work if you are so well done. They are again for their Russia with eastern Ukraine sitting on their neck, robbing. In general, it is useless to argue there, there in the blood, at the genetic level, Russians are to blame for everything, and they can no longer be fixed
  47. vvp2412
    vvp2412 12 December 2013 09: 31
    0
    “The signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union would give Ukraine a significant strategic advantage: it would increase the efficiency of the functioning of various institutions, which would subsequently lead to an improved business climate and increased investment. In the long term, this would all help to ensure higher rates of economic growth in the country "."

    It painfully recalls the words of Medved that in order to solve the problems of our economy it is necessary to increase labor productivity!

    Liberal nonsense is the same everywhere!
  48. papuasimus
    papuasimus 12 December 2013 10: 29
    0
    An article is simpler than a steamed turnip. Hedgehog is understandable, even to a small one.
    Seriously, in Europe there is a crisis from a lack of inflow of cheap resources (there are no more colonies) and the expensive cost of own production. Plus social obligations. Robbing Ukraine is an option, and in robbery all means are good, from propaganda and bribery to military pressure. And by the way, the Western propagandists (like the Middle European Republic, the Far Eastern, Siberian, etc.) also want to share the Russian Federation, there has already been an attempt with Ichkeria.
  49. aud13
    aud13 12 December 2013 10: 45
    -1
    Yanukovych got a chance using the current confrontation to drive more out of the EEC (or Russia).
    In principle, based on the slogans of the opposition, he could put forward his program of "real association with the EEC" that does not infringe on the rights of Ukrainians, at least:
    - visa-free entry of Ukrainians to Europe;
    - financial assistance for the adaptation of Ukraine to the association;
    - The transition period for the association.
    This is exactly what the West lures Ukrainians and that really will not.
    Therefore, having set such conditions to the West, he actually throws the ball to the side of the EEC and they must either agree to these conditions - for which people are now Maidanyat (which, in principle, should satisfy the opposition in the first place), or refuse them.
    But if they refuse, then the Ukrainians face an interesting question, and what then is the benefit of Ukraine and its inhabitants from the European integration offered today?
  50. Anatolich
    Anatolich 12 December 2013 11: 20
    0
    Quote: Shuriken
    Mykola, and sho tse "associated membership"? - Well, godfather, Ukraine will participate in the EU. - So it will enter the EU? - No, it will not enter, but it will participate. - Yak so? - Well, roughly, yak eggs in sexual intercourse: they participate, but they don't. And so, they hang out nearby

    This is perhaps the most accurate comparison of the association with the European Union, but unfortunately "the blue carriage is running swaying, the fast train is picking up speed"