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Tu-334: the underborn and people overboard

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Tu-334: the underborn and people overboardThe plane crash in Kazan brought to the information agenda the situation in the aircraft industry of Russia. The outdated fleet of aircraft, a significant number of which are of foreign origin, again made relevant the issue of own production of aircraft.


A number of test pilots, including one Hero of the Soviet Union and six Heroes of Russia sent a letter to Vladimir Putin. In this letter, they point out to the president that a plane crash could have been avoided if in Russia 10 years ago had been established the production of domestic Tu-334 airliners. At the same time, the authors of the letter lay the blame for the fact that this aircraft was not introduced into the series at the head of the United Aircraft Building Corporation Mikhail Pogosyan: “His efforts criminally disrupted the production of the near-medium-range Tu-334 aircraft,” the signatories indicate.

I must say that this is not the first attempt to raise the debate about the fate of the Tu-334. One of the reasons earlier was the statements of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin in the summer at a meeting in the government on civil and military aircraft industry, where he complained about the dominance of foreign-made vessels.

At the same time, the aviation industry experts believe that the Tu-334, lost the Superjet-100 competition for quite objective reasons, and all attempts to blame the failure of the UAC project Tu-334 for the UAC leadership are nothing like shifting from a sore head to a healthy one . Tu-334 in 2004 lost the Aeroflot tender to the Superjet, and the lack of orders for the plane caused the series to not enter the series, and all attempts to reanimate the project more than 20-year-old would not lead to anything, since outdated and morally and physically.

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Work on the Tu-334 began in the year 1986. The first production cars were to be released in 1993 year in Taganrog on the ASTC. Beriev - developer and manufacturer of hydroplanes.

The deadlines were thwarted: the beginning of 90's is not the best time for such large-scale projects, at least due to lack of funding. However, in July 1992 of the year a resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation signed by Yegor Gaidar was issued - to allocate money and ensure the serial production of the Tu-334 from 1994 of the year in Taganrog. But the prototype aircraft took off for the first time only in the 1999 year, and the Tupolevites produced it at their pilot plant. In the 1999, the MiG (military industrial complex “MAPO”) came up with a “sukhovets” Nikolai Nikitin with the idea to complement the production line of MiG-29 fighters with the passenger Tu-334. A sort of symbiosis of "Mikoyan" with "Tupolev" with a taste of "Sukhoi". From the Taganrog, the Tu-334 fuselage, which was once made in Moscow at a pilot plant, was brought back to Moscow to the Migov plant. Due to the long stay in the sea air corrosion has gone. But the fuselage was patched and sent to Lukhovitsy, to the MiG production base. Earlier, the Aviant plant in Kiev attracted the series. The factory documentation was handed over to him by the “Tupolevs”, which MiG then bought out.

At the end of 2003, Prime Minister Kasyanov removed Nikitin for disruption of the serial production schedule. Tu-334 was transferred to Kazan at KAPO. In 2003 the aircraft received the first Type Certificate, and in 2004 the second with the expansion of the Data Card. However, this did not mean that the liner was intended to carry passengers: it was necessary to build (complete) at least one prototype aircraft in a typical design and fly the certification test program, at least 72 flights. At that time, the Administration of the President of Russia had an idea to purchase 6 Tu-334 aircraft, but it was not in production, it had a unique type certificate and had no experience of commercial operation for more than two years. Therefore, in order to load capacities aviation The factories made a decision, vital for aircraft manufacturers, to purchase two Il-96, Tu-204-300 and An-148 aircraft each.

In difficult conditions, the need to restructure the plants and search for investments in the KLA in 2008 considered the possibility of producing the Tu-334, and in Kazan even the business plan of the project was developed. In addition, the possibility of localizing the production of Ukrainian D436 engines at the Moscow Salyut was considered. At the same time, the volume of necessary investments in the project was significant, and there was no pronounced interest on the part of the airlines and leasing companies in the aircraft. So the glider of the Tu-334 in Kazan hovered, and the plane was still not born. At the same difficult time for JSC Tupolev, it was UAC that insisted on the redistribution of funds within the framework of the Federal Target Program of Civil Aviation, thanks to which the Tu-204CM project was launched. At a difficult time for itself, “Tupolev” not only withstood, but also began to develop. Tu-214 has become the base platform for special complexes, a project of a promising range of long-range aviation.

Superjet or 20 years later

It is not even clear to an expert that starting to produce an aircraft, the first production samples of which were to appear in the 1993 year, that is, 20 years ago, to put it mildly, is impractical. Critics of the Superjet say why it was necessary to make a new plane when the Tu-334 was certified. Yes, December 30 2003, the Tu-334-100 aircraft received a type certificate. But the certificate is temporary. In this case, this means that only demonstration flights are possible on it, and ferry flights are possible only outside the routes of civil aviation.

December 31 at the hotel Aviastar gathered about this press conference. Deputy Prime Minister for Industrial Policy Boris Aleshin proudly waved his certificate on it, although he did not forget to say that he was temporary. The general director of Aeroflot Valery Okulov said a couple of paragraphs on duty. The position obliged: Tu-334 was on the list of bidders announced by Aeroflot.

But already then Aeroflot had doubts. Take at least a three-member crew. All “foreign cars” have only two pilots for a long time and this is not only cost optimization, it is a different philosophy of the organization of all air transportation processes. There was a question regarding the engine, the resource was too small at that time - the total 4 000 hours, the specificity of the guarantees and operation. The national carrier had a lot of questions. Tu-334 too late at the start. This is a plane from the Soviet past and, probably, would be good for it, but it’s already a different time outside. Aeroflot had something to compare with. He already flew A319 / A320. Aeroflot also refused An-148. I stopped at the “Superjet”, which had not yet flown, but already at the development stage, like a sponge, it absorbed the experience and achievements of the foreign aircraft industry that was rapidly changing after the 2001 events and guaranteed compliance with international requirements and not only technical ones. And not deceived.

Critics have reproached the use of Western components, they say, support the western aviation industry. And what was left to do if domestic enterprises could not give a series of components? Enterprises can be understood: it was necessary to survive, but what should aircraft factories and consumers do with an unpredictable "price escalation" for components and supply irregularities.

Now another fact becomes interesting - the level of reliability of the SSJ-100 aircraft for all functional groups, even in the first year of its operation, is in no way inferior to the level of modern foreign aircraft. Hence, the fundamental and design decisions on the used components were correct.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 11 December 2013 15: 40
    23
    I understand that this article is of interested parties! But there is one thing here, but with the development of programs such as the superjet or MC-21, you should not forget that there are other developments, and the teams of enterprises and design bureaus that you also need to remember, Do not forget and support, and do not pull the budget blanket over yourself !!! Russia is big, and there are catastrophic shortages !!!
    1. Siberian German
      Siberian German 11 December 2013 19: 01
      +5
      Yes, you joke enough of them - abroad, our figures from the aircraft industry outright import them well
      1. AVV
        AVV 11 December 2013 21: 08
        +5
        Yes, that these figures import all rubbish from the tenth states of the African continent, although we can make new planes, we just need to load our own factories, and furious taxes should be rolled up on old stuff, so it would not be profitable to take !!!
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 11 December 2013 19: 53
      19
      The reason for the rejection of Russian and Ukrainian aircraft in favor of the foreign Superjet in the collapse of the liberal-privatizers of the civil aviation system.
      Having destroyed by privatization the only operator in Russia, Aeroflot, into hundreds of small financially disadvantaged airline campaigns, the liberals deprived the civilian aircraft-building industry of the state of a successful financial customer.
      Accordingly, funding ceased, without which the entire aircraft industry of civilian aircraft virtually stopped working. A number of aircraft factories simply closed, people were out of work, and the design bureau of civil aircraft was reduced to inoperability.
      Instead of urgently tackling the restoration of the civilian industry, the authorities decided to transfer the design and construction of civilian aircraft to the Sukhoi Military Design Bureau, which had not previously been engaged in the design of civilian aircraft.
      From here a symbiosis arose with Western aircraft designers and factories, especially since contracts with them gave tangible financial kickbacks into the pockets of top managers of the aviation industry.
      And our developments remained unclaimed not because of the performance characteristics, but because of poor efficiency in terms of financial returns to the UAC top managers.
      1. timer
        timer 11 December 2013 20: 24
        19
        I support your koment. I’ll add a few thoughts from myself: 1) In Russia, it is imperative to return to the system one country, one carrier. Commerce in air travel is unacceptable, because. tied to the lives of hundreds of air passengers; 2) To prohibit the importation of any junk from abroad !!; 3) Adopt a tough emergency plan for the revival of the domestic civil aviation industry; 4) It is necessary to revive the Ministry of Civil Aviation, which will also carry out a balanced line for the production of long-medium (short) long-range planes between manufacturers. The pull of a budget blanket to only one manufacturer is no good, even if the leader of this manufacturer is quick and fast (Poghosyan). Both Tupolev and Ilyushin need to upload orders. Sukhoi never engaged in the production of civilian aircraft.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 12 December 2013 00: 25
          -4
          Well forbid, no problem, then what? Well, buy new Boeing. Stop whining, you need to rebuild the aviation industry for decades, and now you need to fly on something, and you will not be happy with the increase in ticket prices if you have to fly on a domestic from what it was.
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 12 December 2013 04: 24
            0
            I fully support. Now you need to fly on something. And lowering the Superjet is certainly easy, while arguing that the Tu-334 is much better (as if all aviation engineers are here)
        2. evgenm55
          evgenm55 12 December 2013 07: 08
          +7
          About trash - that’s for sure. A few years ago I flew with my family from Sverdlovsk to Leningrad. There I’ve got -86. It’s one pleasure, and it’s spacious, and there are no queues in the toilets, and the service, in general, the soul from the flight rejoiced. Something like a Boeing (I don’t remember the number now). I even asked my young daughter, “Does he even fly?” There hasn’t been such a strain during the whole flight. By the end of the flight, the turn to the toilet was almost from the tail to the cockpit. I want to fly my planes.
      2. My address
        My address 11 December 2013 20: 31
        +5
        Vladimir, that's right.
        In a normal state, it is normal when: they pay for normal work; for outstanding achievement celebrate with awards, prizes, ovations; for failure with a wolf ticket and other things, but on time; for the collapse - criminal and confiscation liability. Unfortunately, we do not have responsibility at the upper levels. I don’t know how bad Poghosyan is in the situation with the TU-334, but I know that no one answered for this and the like.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 12 December 2013 00: 23
        0
        Yes they did. What's next? Will you order Poghosyan to stand and whine that everything is ruined, or do, like in the whole world, “buy the best”? And one carrier is needed, this is an axiom. And enough about the authorities have already decided to transfer, I have already spoken out, as Tupolev cried that Sukhoi does not have bombers. Sukhoi completed the project, received funding, who did not receive it.
        1. Kolyanych
          Kolyanych 12 December 2013 02: 29
          +2
          An interesting story is the long-standing antagonism between the Sukhogog Design Bureau and the Tupolev Design Bureau since the times of the USSR: it was Andrei Nikolaevich Tupolev, who, using his connections with the USSR Ministry of Aviation Industry, pressed the administrative levers and the revolutionary project of the T-4 supersonic strategic bomber (product 100 or simply "weaving ") of the firm of Sukhoi - was closed without any reason. Signed by Comrade Dementyev A, the Tu-160, which is still in service with the Russian Air Force, was adopted as a strategic bomber.
          Those. the sunset of his days, the patriarch of domestic aircraft industry A.N. Tupolev, having lost a real connection with the needs of the country's air force, committed a deliberate act to undermine the country's defense capability to please personal ambitions. As a result of the undercover fight, won by the elderly schemer Tupolev, the Russian Air Force lost a unique strategic bomber, an analogue of which is not and is not expected to this day.
          I am sure that Poghosyan knows this story very well in such details that we can only guess
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 December 2013 02: 37
            0
            Quote: Kolyanich
            I am sure that Poghosyan knows this story very well in such details that we can only guess
            and how Yakovlev "bullied" them, especially when he tried to "take over" the Novosibirsk plant and "survive" the Su9 ...
          2. evil hamster
            evil hamster 12 December 2013 11: 30
            +6
            Comrades, polemics are polemics but:
            Quote: Kolyanich
            As a result of a wrestling fight won elderly intriguer Tupolev
            this is not necessary. A.N. Tupolev - undoubtedly was ambitious (and there are no other generals) and a difficult person, but his contribution to the history of our aviation outweighs everything and everything. Yes, and the Sukhovtsy and Mesishchevites have something to say about this, but for example, I have never read anywhere that representatives of these design bureaus in this tone called Andrei Nikolaevich. So as long as you yourself are not the value of the level of Pavel Osipovich Sukhoi, let's be more correct in the statements.
        2. typhoon7
          typhoon7 12 December 2013 16: 13
          +1
          It was not the factory for the production of wooden toys that collapsed, but the whole industry, knowledge-intensive. What would have been for such things in the recent past is known, but in our country these people are prospering and continuing their “noble” mission.
      4. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 December 2013 02: 32
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The reason for the rejection of Russian and Ukrainian aircraft in favor of the foreign Superjet in the collapse of the liberal-privatizers of the civil aviation system.

        The reason for the rejection of Russian and Ukrainian aircraft is their lack of competitiveness. A superjet is a good airplane and the MC-21 is on the way.
        1. AVV
          AVV 12 December 2013 13: 58
          +2
          Uncompetitiveness with whom, with the old trash that is being delivered to us ??? Make claims to the design bureaus they will quickly fix the situation, they will deliver more economical engines, they will change the electronics, navigation systems will be upgraded !!! For internal lines, our aircraft are better, but new than the old trash that falls apart in the air !!! From the countries of the Bermuda Triangle !!!
    3. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 11 December 2013 20: 13
      +5
      Quote: AVV
      Do not forget about the fact that there are other developments, and the teams of enterprises and design bureaus that you also need to remember, do not forget and support, and do not pull the budget blanket only for yourself !!! Russia is big, and there are catastrophic shortages !! !

      That is, that is, but to buy obsolete moral and technical products from factories only so that they do not work quite right.
      I hope that with the introduction of the Superjet and MS-21, the situation will improve, in the coming 2-3 years it is necessary to actively engage in a short-haul aircraft, but the main task is domestic flights and the near abroad, to carry tourists.
    4. sashka
      sashka 11 December 2013 20: 20
      +5
      and the planes are sorely lacking!
      And why did they destroy the plant in Saratov? Is there a clear explanation? And man-made fiber which provided the whole country. Who can explain.?
    5. timer
      timer 11 December 2013 20: 25
      +4
      I support your koment. I’ll add a few thoughts from myself: 1) In Russia, it is imperative to return to the system one country, one carrier. Commerce in air travel is unacceptable, because. tied to the lives of hundreds of air passengers; 2) To prohibit the importation of any junk from abroad !!; 3) Adopt a tough emergency plan for the revival of the domestic civil aviation industry; 4) It is necessary to revive the Ministry of Civil Aviation, which will also carry out a balanced line for the production of long-medium (short) long-range planes between manufacturers. The pull of a budget blanket to only one manufacturer is no good, even if the leader of this manufacturer is quick and fast (Poghosyan). Both Tupolev and Ilyushin need to upload orders. Sukhoi never engaged in the production of civilian aircraft.
    6. A.YARY
      A.YARY 11 December 2013 20: 42
      -4
      which you also need to remember, do not forget and support, and not pull the blanket of the budget only to yourself !!


      Alas, there are those who do it exactly the opposite - "Mr." Poghosyan
    7. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 11 December 2013 21: 39
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      I understand that this article is of interested parties! But there is one thing here, but with the development of programs such as the superjet or MC-21, you should not forget that there are other developments, and the teams of enterprises and design bureaus that you also need to remember, Do not forget and support, and do not pull the budget blanket over yourself !!! Russia is big, and there are catastrophic shortages !!!

      What is the meaning of your message? Smudge modest financial resources at all? To have enough for bread and butter for half a year, and then bankruptcy? What is the point of creating the KLA and similar structures? Is it to cut the budget or all the same in order to gather all the forces and resources in one place and create at least something?
      Dry well done. The project has been completed, we are waiting for production growth. Now all efforts must be directed to the MS-21. When he gets on the wing, you can think about a heavy superhighway. If Tu has any developments in this industry, then they have time to prepare and propose their project when the time comes. Now is not the time for Tu to compete with Sukhoi, we are full of competitors in the world market and they are our main opponents. Tu time is gone, maybe not forever. Need to work and not complain.
    8. Andrey57
      Andrey57 11 December 2013 22: 40
      -2
      All the activities of the "tail that wags the whole dog" - Poghosyan and Co., has nothing to do with the revival of the civil aviation industry, and the military, too, as they would say in the old days, he is not a sovereign person - he does not care and does not think in state interests, but thinks only in terms of his own pocket, and he has also attached his son to the "feeding trough", and the state of affairs in the firms "Ilyushin", "MiG" and Tupolev "is a clear confirmation of this.
      The author is a fat minus! For "justifying" Poghosyan's activities.
      1. voliador
        voliador 12 December 2013 00: 35
        +3
        ... he also attached his son to the "feeding trough", and the state of affairs in the firms "Ilyushin", "MiG" and Tupolev "

        And where does the pogosy son work?
    9. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 12 December 2013 00: 41
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      and the planes are sorely lacking !!!

      Taken from here: http://masterok.livejournal.com/1521050.html#

      There are already 36 of them!
      That's how I did not think so much.

      Today, December 1, in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the next flight of the next Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft took place, having registration number 97002 (serial number 95043) - the 36th production aircraft and the 16th under the contract for Aeroflot Airlines.

      This is the sixth aircraft in an improved configuration (the so-called Aeroflot-full), which fully meets the requirements of the customer.
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    11. Sirs
      Sirs 12 December 2013 02: 41
      -3
      OH Oh and how much do these words cost? And if you write more about the heroic work of the head of the UAC, for how much?
    12. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 12 December 2013 16: 07
      +1
      Quote: AVV
      But there is, one thing but, with the development of programs such as the superjet or MS-21, one should not forget that there are other developments, and the teams of enterprises and design bureaus that you also need to remember, do not forget and support

      The teams of "other enterprises and design bureaus" need to WORK, and not wait until the state comes to them to wipe their snot and tighten their pants! Tupolevites were given money more than once or twice, exempted from taxes, etc., but they were much better at cutting the loot and selling off the land of the enterprise much better than developing promising aircraft.
  2. Edward72
    Edward72 11 December 2013 18: 59
    12
    And there are minds, and powers stand idle rotting. Only there are creatures that push the old trash.
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 11 December 2013 20: 10
      +3
      Quote: Edward72
      And there are minds, and powers stand idle rotting. Only there are creatures that push the old trash.

      What old trash are you talking about? About the superjet ???
      If it’s about Kazan, then there was a piloting error, and not a technical malfunction; for you, the age is generally a relative concept, according to statistics, in the first five years of operation, the accident rate of aircraft is the same as that of the 15-20 summer liners
      1. pRofF
        pRofF 11 December 2013 23: 47
        +4
        Persistent pushing of guilt for Kazan to pilots by officials - this is not yet proof of guilty pilots. Therefore, I can not agree with you. And that's why:
        1. Evidence that that Boeing needed major repairs - and urgently - is complete. Both passengers and technical structures responsible for pre-flight training.
        2. My father is an air traffic controller. And he understands airplanes quite well, also communicates with pilots - on the job. So here. The plane crashed into a strip at an angle of about 70 gr. With all the desire of the pilot - he will not achieve this with his actions. There you need to give the helm away from yourself so much that you’ll have to climb on the dashboard so that the plane enters such a peak.
        And if the pilot brought out - by mistake - the plane to a stall angle of attack, then the helm bogger should have earned - a system that just warns pilots about this situation. In general, much can be argued on this topic. But the fact that the 23 aircraft of the year, and he flew to Uganda, Brazil, Romania and Bulgaria - and there are also lovers of savings, as in our Tatarstan. Apparently, they were saved ...
        1. user1212
          user1212 12 December 2013 04: 57
          +1
          Correct if I'm wrong. The steering wheel position, pitch angle and elevator position are written on a black box along with other things. And to compare these three parameters is not a problem. If these parameters correspond to each other, then what? So the pilot controlled the pitch angle. And how can you fall on a strip at an angle of 70 degrees while having speed and controlling the pitch angle throughout the flight ???
          1. VAF
            VAF 12 December 2013 14: 39
            0
            Quote: user1212
            So the pilot controlled the pitch angle.


            No, the pitch angle was "controlled" by the aerodynamic line-up, but the autopilot was "engaged" in decreasing it (by decreasing the engine speed and working out the elevator trim for diving).

            Quote: user1212
            And how can you fall on a strip at an angle of 70 degrees while having speed and controlling the pitch angle throughout the flight ???


            It would be more if there was more height. And no one flew the plane !!! soldier
        2. VAF
          VAF 12 December 2013 14: 34
          +1
          Quote: pRofF
          There you need to give the helm away from yourself so much that you’ll have to climb on the dashboard so that the plane enters such a peak.


          And the thought that the plane itself "fought" how could it with the inaction of these "pilots" did not come to mind?
          So take and get acquainted with the RLE on the Boeing -737-500 and you will understand everything yourself.
          In short ... the autopilot himself tried to fight the cabriolet by working out the stabilizer by trimming and when he sat down at the stop, that’s all .... the autopilot did everything he could.
          And then it finally dawned on the "pilots" that it was time to at least transfer them to the horizon, and dial the speed while descending, so that they would not enter the second mode.
          That foolishly and moved the horns away ... and such a term as a sign familiar ???
          So in the position in which the autopilot drove him and the "inaction" of the "pilots" nothing could save him!

          Quote: pRofF
          And if the pilot brought out - by mistake - the plane to a stall angle of attack, then the helm bogger should have earned - a system that just warns pilots about this situation.


          This is who told you such crap ??? belay They didn’t confuse with the vibrator on the mobile ???
          For warning of reaching critical modes, there is the UAASP DUASP and an audible alarm, for thoughtless actions by the helm there is a spring loader -Torsion.
          When entering critical modes shakes the whole plane due to loss of lift due to stall (in any plane).

          So your dear father and you yourself are wrong in the root !!! soldier
      2. evgenm55
        evgenm55 12 December 2013 06: 53
        +1
        Do not be so categorical - now to blame everything on the dead for certain people to save their own skin. There are many real, living witnesses (and they openly spoke about this) that the plane waved its wings like a butterfly and even those who were far from aviation realized that it was faulty. The pilots were not kamikazes - is this something you do not need to explain? You don’t need to buy junk for your own people for someone else’s loot. Minus.
  3. predator.3
    predator.3 11 December 2013 19: 12
    +6
    Quote: Edward72
    And there are minds, and powers stand idle rotting. Only there are creatures that push the old trash.

    Everything is correct, as in that film the hero of V. Ilyin: "And there is strength, and there is will, but there is no will power!"
    Critics have reproached the use of Western components, they say, support the western aviation industry. And what was left to do if domestic enterprises could not give a series of components? Enterprises can be understood: it was necessary to survive, but what should aircraft factories and consumers do with an unpredictable "price escalation" for components and supply irregularities.

    echoes of the turbulent 90s!
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    2. Edward72
      Edward72 12 December 2013 03: 59
      -2
      Yes, they are waiting for the next pendal from kremlin.ru. And everything spins sharply.
  4. lilit.193
    lilit.193 11 December 2013 19: 17
    +9
    Again Pogosyanovsky PR? wink
  5. saag
    saag 11 December 2013 19: 18
    +3
    "... I settled on the Superjet, which had not yet flown, but already at the development stage, like a sponge, absorbed the experience and achievements of the foreign aviation industry that was rapidly changing after the events of 2001 and guaranteed compliance with international requirements and not only technical ones. And I did not deceive."
    Yeah, Aeroflot has a superjet and it doesn't fly with him
  6. andrei332809
    andrei332809 11 December 2013 19: 23
    +2
    The outdated fleet of aircraft, a significant number of which are of foreign origin, again made the issue of domestic aircraft production relevant.

    until the thunder strikes ... or as they say now, until the roasted cock pecks ...
  7. avt
    avt 11 December 2013 19: 28
    +2
    Quote: saag
    Yeah, Aeroflot has a superjet and it doesn't fly with him

    Suppet while Aeroflot
    Quote: saag
    how a sponge absorbed experience and achievements quickly

    the changing transport market, and having absorbed the experience, Aeroflot released the first units for independent sailing to Yakutia and somewhere else, I don’t remember anymore. But here are the new ones to absorb.
    Quote: lilit.193
    Again Pogosyanovsky PR?

    Their response to a letter from the VVP pilots. Although why should they worry then? There is no dripping over them. "Developing" in such a way and at a pace of the aviation industry, as if soon, in all seriousness, the same authors will rub in on us that "and the deer are better"
    1. lilit.193
      lilit.193 11 December 2013 20: 48
      0
      Quote: avt
      "Developing" in such a way and at a pace of the aviation industry, as if soon, in all seriousness, the same authors will rub in on us that "and deer are better"

      That's it to the point!
  8. BBM
    BBM 11 December 2013 19: 33
    0
    another article in defense of a product with "loud" nicknames - super coffin-100, graveyard-100, pogosyanzhzhet ... But in fact, it’s a shame to say that my own civil aircraft industry has been screwed up
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 11 December 2013 20: 05
      +3
      Don’t be so upset.

      Voronezh Joint-Stock Aircraft Manufacturing Company (VASO) handed over to the Russian Air Force the first of 15 An-148-100E aircraft under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense.

      "This year we built and handed over the first aircraft to the Air Force, in 2014 and 2015 we will deliver four more annually, and in 2016 and 2017 three more annually."

      One problem. Director of the Ukrainian enterprise ANTK Antonov: “The An-148 aircraft, like any of our aircraft, is produced in Russia (and other places) on the basis of licensing agreements with Antonov.

      As this license is canceled, the An-148 will be in demand.
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 11 December 2013 20: 32
        +4
        Quote: Cherdak
        Voronezh Joint-Stock Aircraft Manufacturing Company (VASO) handed over to the Russian Air Force the first of 15 An-148-100E aircraft under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense.

        flew over us on trials above, saw him in the sky many times-handsome
  9. marshes
    marshes 11 December 2013 19: 34
    +3
    A good Tu-334 aircraft, the ability to take off and land at airports where the state of the runway is "not very", any debris will not suck into the engines.
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 11 December 2013 20: 18
      0
      Ohh, the current certificate doesn’t know about it
      http://aviadocs.net/MAK/AC/Tu-334-100/NCT231_Tu_334_100.pdf
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 December 2013 20: 46
        +4
        Quote: evil hamster
        Ohh, the current certificate doesn’t know about it

        Interestingly, the certificate states about possible situations as happened in Izhma. True, the Tu-154 landed there, I can't imagine what could happen if the plane landed where the engines are on the pylons under the wings and whether it was able to rise back into the sky. airports, "wants to be better."
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 11 December 2013 21: 10
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          Interestingly, the certificate spells out possible situations as happened in Izhma.
          Failures after which this kind of feats are required are also not spelled out if that.
          Quote: marshes
          I can’t imagine what could have happened if the plane sat where the engines are on the pylons under the wings and if he could fly back to the sky

          After the repair, I could.
          Quote: marshes
          In general, the state of runways at regional airports, "wants to be better."
          The racial American 737 bobik with the same engine layout was operated from gravel runways and niche like that. You see, manufacturers from all over the world have come to a low-wing layout with an engine under the wing, not from valuarism, but purely for practical reasons, just like a high-wing layout with a T-plumage is practically standard for a transporter. And airfields need to be put in order, as well as roads. Do you feel shy to ask you for a personal car or all-wheel drive Ural?
          1. marshes
            marshes 11 December 2013 21: 26
            +4
            Quote: evil hamster
            Do you feel shy to ask you for a personal car or all-wheel drive Ural?

            I have two cars, for the city automatic transmission, the roads in the city are not bad and an SUV with manual transmission for trips out of town. smile
            Judging by how we are developing regional communications, there are mainly turboprops and rear-engined airplanes, although they want to gradually replace Antonov’s high-planes to use unpaved runways.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 11 December 2013 21: 48
              0
              Quote: marshes
              I have two cars, for the city automatic transmission, the roads in the city are not bad and an SUV with manual transmission for trips out of town. smile

              Well duck you are a reasonable person smile and secured besides smile , I now get around the front wheel drive on the handle. But seriously speaking, where the An 24 can land, neither Surzh, nor Tu334 nor An148 / 158 in their right mind will be operated, and in general, whatever the tmutarakini with unpaved runways, this is the domain of turboprop. On the other hand, if according to passenger traffic and other criteria, it makes sense to operate a local "jet" with a range of 100-2 thousand km on the line 3. - then it makes sense to build a normal runway and whether to bring the existing one into a divine form. And this, IMHO, is the correct path that humanity has always followed. Railroads were built for steam locomotives, and they did not fence off all-terrain steam tractors - although at first glance it would seem ...
              Quote: marshes
              Judging how we are developing regional communications, there are mainly turboprops and aircraft with rear engines.
              Turboprop with rear ?? belay You are not mistaken? Which ones? just like that, I couldn’t remember a single one, very interesting.
              1. marshes
                marshes 11 December 2013 22: 05
                0
                Quote: evil hamster
                Turboprop with rear ??


                Quote: evil hamster
                turboprops and rear engine aircraft.

                In the tail.
                Quote: evil hamster
                secured besides

                Purchased before the entry of Kazakhstan into the vehicle, now can not afford.
                Quote: evil hamster
                - it makes sense to build a normal runway and whether to bring the existing one into a divine form.

                The site is a military one, one should not forget about mobilization, in which case where and how airplanes will operate.
                1. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 11 December 2013 22: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: marshes
                  In the tail.
                  Yes, that’s what I understood, it’s just surprising turboprop I don’t remember those, so I ask.
                  Quote: marshes
                  The site is a military one, one should not forget about mobilization, in which case where and how airplanes will operate.

                  Well, Duc is a good concrete runway for mobile. needs wink
        2. Genry
          Genry 11 December 2013 21: 15
          +2
          Lucky the plane that good pilots. Which neatly sat down and did not break the fuel wire from the wings to the engines. The whole interior would be overwhelmed. Would you like to go there? After all, how it falls - so utterly (of the Tu-134-154 .. and Yak-40-42 family ..).
          1. marshes
            marshes 11 December 2013 21: 33
            +1
            Quote: Genry
            ? After all, how it falls - so utterly (of the Tu-134-154 .. and Yak-40-42 family ..).

            Last year we had a Bombard, when landing in the fog, it crashed into chips, but there was no fire.
            1. Genry
              Genry 11 December 2013 21: 50
              0
              Lucky. And the hockey team Lokomotiv was not lucky.
              1. marshes
                marshes 11 December 2013 22: 09
                +1
                Quote: Genry
                Lucky.

                unlucky, everyone died. True, everyone was surprised why there was no fire.

                Quote: Genry
                And the hockey team Lokomotiv was not lucky.

                Well, there is wine on the carriage.
    2. Genry
      Genry 11 December 2013 21: 00
      +1
      In the Yu-tube, watch a run through the wet and snow-covered strip of the Tu-334 and SupJet-100, and be surprised that from the front landing gear, garbage is flying to.
      The layout of the Tu-134 was also the first Tu-22. There are no more fools.
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    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 12 December 2013 00: 30
      +2
      Go and tell this to Boeing with their 737, until whose success is like walking to the moon. What are their motors in 60 cm from the ground. And that is characteristic, nothing sucks.
    5. nekromonger
      nekromonger 12 December 2013 01: 21
      +2
      what can I say, you are probably an expert on aviation. smile
  10. polkownik1
    polkownik1 11 December 2013 19: 35
    21
    Making excuses after the Boeing crash in Kazan, officials unanimously assert that there are no old planes; there are serviceable and defective. When they, officials, are reminded of the Tu-334, a refusal-explanation follows: What are you - what are you, it's already outdated! The ancient Boeing, designed and built earlier than the Tu-334, worn out by many temporary owners, is in perfect order and is in demand! The more "fresh" Tu-334, which can come out of the domestic assembly line "right off the bat" - is a hopeless old man, useless to anyone! Strange, bad logic. Alien.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 11 December 2013 19: 49
      +7
      officials work out their 30 pieces of silver ....... so that Boeings on the market to push there just crazy kickbacks and bribes were !!! (as well as with official cars, by the way) and all this is documented .... as soon as compromising material pops up, so they "bones" lie down for the Boeings, sorry, for their asses
    2. clidon
      clidon 11 December 2013 20: 22
      +1
      The more "fresh" Tu-334, which can come out of the domestic assembly line "right off the bat" - is a hopeless old man, useless to anyone!

      Do you think the brand new Moskvich-412 would be in demand if there was now an opportunity to revive their production? They had pluses - unpretentiousness, cross-country ability on bad roads, they are quite familiar to old drivers and their jambs are known. Would they buy them (domestic market, export), or would everyone still prefer imported junk for the same money? Invest your money in this?
      1. polkownik1
        polkownik1 11 December 2013 21: 34
        +2
        When managers assess the market for any product, especially transport, they, starting from the cost price and the desired income from sales, say: "Yes, the purchasing power of the market suits us. We will produce." But none of them in our time even thinks about what a huge, overwhelming number of people such a product is desperately needed, but - too tough ... The price bites. So I believe that Moskvich-412, after the elimination of obvious jambs and at a price half the price of Kalina, would be swept away from car dealerships in an instant! The Tu-334 is not the latest in aviation fashion, but who needs it in the Russian outback? For now, at least? By the way, if you remember the costs incurred to create it before the first flight and the inconceivable costs of the Superjet (they also have to be fought off), then tickets for Tu should cost half the price!
        1. clidon
          clidon 12 December 2013 07: 59
          +1
          Firstly, you are sure that Moskvich can be made half the price of Kalina.
          Secondly, they will buy, but how much? Now a second-hand "Moskvich", unlike an equal-age foreign car, is not twice as cheap, but an order of magnitude and still no queues are visible.
          Third, What is the "Russian aviation hinterland"? How many planes does she need? 20? thirty? Is it worth for the sake of the interests of a narrow layer of air carriers to launch a multi-billion dollar project?
    3. timer
      timer 11 December 2013 20: 28
      +2
      I support your koment. I’ll add a few thoughts from myself: 1) In Russia, it is imperative to return to the system one country, one carrier. Commerce in air travel is unacceptable, because. tied to the lives of hundreds of air passengers; 2) To prohibit the importation of any junk from abroad !!; 3) Adopt a tough emergency plan for the revival of the domestic civil aviation industry; 4) It is necessary to revive the Ministry of Civil Aviation, which will also carry out a balanced line for the production of long-medium (short) long-range planes between manufacturers. The pull of a budget blanket to only one manufacturer is no good, even if the leader of this manufacturer is quick and fast (Poghosyan). Both Tupolev and Ilyushin need to upload orders. Sukhoi never engaged in the production of civilian aircraft.
      1. nekromonger
        nekromonger 12 December 2013 01: 25
        +3
        what time do you already post? May be enough?
    4. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 12 December 2013 16: 22
      -1
      Quote: polkownik1
      Justifying after the Boeing crash in Kazan, officials unanimously claim that there are no old planes; there are serviceable and malfunctioning. When they, officials, are reminded of the Tu-334, a refusal-explanation follows: What are you - what are you, it is already outdated!

      Old and outdated - as it were, slightly different terms.
      Quote: polkownik1
      Tu-334, followed by a refusal-explanation: What are you - what are you, it is already outdated! Ancient Boeing, designed and built before the Tu-334

      Well, what can we do if the technical level of the Boeing is much higher / more modern than that of the Tu-334, even despite the fact that the Boeing was designed earlier.
      Pots-re-ot-am — everyone - as soon as the Tupolevs make a good modern car I will support it with both hands, but while they are trying to stick the outdated junk - let them go through the woods.
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 December 2013 19: 45
    +3
    I think Ukraine will "go crazy" and our Aviation Industry will rise to a new level as before! They divide us not only by territories, but first of all they crush and destroy our industrial capacities .. (Libya Iraq Yugoslavia Bulgaria .. well, etc.) .. The most interesting everyone understands everything, but there is such pressure and press ... As Dulles used to say, "Change values ​​.." and take it with your bare hands .. We will still remember everything and present it .. angry
  12. Sergey47
    Sergey47 11 December 2013 19: 51
    +8
    Such respected people would not shake the air. Apparently pent. Yes, Pogosyan is too much, it is necessary that, as in Soviet times, there was competition between design bureaus.
  13. dpurpur
    dpurpur 11 December 2013 19: 53
    16
    Honestly, I don’t understand: all the filling is out of date, but is the glider and wing really out of date.
    1. typhoon7
      typhoon7 11 December 2013 20: 30
      +3
      Tu-334 is beautiful. In Super, dviglo and avionics are imported, so he is our maximum of 30 percent, so this probably wants to get rid of him. Money swelled darkness into him and it is unlikely that he will pay off for us.
    2. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 11 December 2013 20: 33
      +3
      Nichrome there is not outdated to the utmost level, I am surprised by the author, indicating that the aircraft industry of the USSR is a backward industry.
    3. Cherdak
      Cherdak 11 December 2013 21: 07
      +1
      There have already written a lot about such shortcomings of the “Carcass” as a three-membered cabin, obsolete avionics, etc. This is just fixable - there would be a desire and intellectual resources. It’s much harder to fix the aerodynamics: you actually have to design a new plane. Chief Designer I. Kalygin admitted in a number of interviews that The carcass needs a new wing and a new engine.
      1. typhoon7
        typhoon7 11 December 2013 21: 49
        +2
        Equipment with such a design is excellently manufactured and sold even more beautifully by South America. It’s you who are scattering the minuses. You have not denied anything. The cockpit is changing, avionics also, and the glider is perfectly operated around the world. And how do you want to pay back Super? Engines and avionics are imported, which is 70 percent of the cost of the aircraft, if not 80. So the Tu-334 is not outdated, as are the Tu-214 and Il-96-300. Money and lobby are the only reason.
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 11 December 2013 22: 04
          +6
          Quote: typhoon7
          Technique with this design

          True galleries?

          And by the way, yes, everything is in this pipelatz, bordering in my opinion 2 sections of the fuselage, imports, even aluminum and rivets. And the Brazilian government is supporting it with might and main, and the people are proud, fools, what to take from them.
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 12 December 2013 14: 57
            +2
            So here we clearly need to make the transition to the previous aerospace:

            http://topwar.ru/36735-v-meksike-nash-superdzhet-prishelsya-ko-dvoru.html#commen


            t-id-1731310

            They are discussing the same thing with foam at the mouth - either the Superjet was crushed by the Ukrainian aircraft industry, or the Superjet is the grave digger of the Russian aircraft industry.

            But Poghosyan in general Mephistopheles and a vampire in one bottle
          2. typhoon7
            typhoon7 12 December 2013 15: 42
            +1
            Brazil, by the way, only creates the aviation industry forgivably, but we had it. They produced almost all types of aircraft, finished lines, production, personnel. All this is chopped down for the sake of this ,, masterpiece ,,? This is a criminal minimum. How do you want to be independent if the aircraft is imported, and what do we buy from ,, probable friends ,,. This trash, dviglo, avionics, at the right time, they can make the subject of blackmail leadership (sanctions), and this is already a matter of state security. Sooner or later, we have to restore all that has been lost, and this is a huge amount of money, but everything was ready, you think the cabin is out of date.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 12 December 2013 18: 16
              +1
              Quote: typhoon7
              Brazil, by the way, only creates the aviation industry forgivably, but we had it. They produced almost all types of aircraft, finished lines, production, personnel. All this is chopped down for the sake of this ,, masterpiece ,,?

              Are you raving or were you born yesterday? 90 and the beginning of 2000 you overslept? Have you noticed that by 2000 the production of civilian aircraft in the Russian Federation had practically ceased? Or do you think that everything was fine until 2009, but then the evil Pogo came and ruined everyone?
              Quote: typhoon7
              How do you want to be independent if the aircraft is imported, and what do we buy from ,, probable friends ,,.
              In order for it not to be imported, it is necessary to build airplanes, but in order to build it is necessary that they are bought, and that they were bought they must be competitive, which in this logical chain does not lend itself to your understanding?
              Quote: typhoon7
              This trash, dviglo, avionics, at the right time, they can make the subject of blackmail leadership (sanctions), and this is a matter of state security
              Yeah, well, take your computer and throw it out the window, otherwise it will be a subject of sanctions for an uneven hour. With paranoia and conspiracy theory, this is not for me.
              Quote: typhoon7
              Sooner or later, we have to restore all that has been lost.
              You have not noticed but many apparently, but many have been busy with this since 2000.
              Quote: typhoon7
              but everything was ready, think the cabin is out of date.

              Imagine they don’t want to take bad radics from AK with an outdated cab, these are the radishes.
        2. Cherdak
          Cherdak 12 December 2013 15: 02
          +1
          Quote: typhoon7
          Engines and avionics are imported, and this is 70 percent of the cost of the aircraft, if not 80.



          Here is a solid pepper specials, immediately visible. Discover the complete truth that they are hiding from the people - they’ll bring the finished board from the West to the factory so that they can steal budget money and throw dust in their eyes, and then they drive it to painting in Venice to continue the banquet. belay

          And aside, the hungry Tupolevites, Yakovlevites and other proletariat cry bitterly and tear the remnants of rags
          1. typhoon7
            typhoon7 12 December 2013 16: 03
            0
            Russia still lives and holds on to the remnants of the power of this proletariat, and do not insult the memory of fathers and grandfathers. In difficult times, they created all this, and not for the gentlemen to come up with silver lovers with magnificent hair and laying down under the west chopped everything up.
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 12 December 2013 20: 06
              0
              Quote: typhoon7
              the gentlemen of the silver lovers came with lush hair and laying down under the west chopped everything up.


              UNDERROWED recourse

              first flight in Kazan on September 25, 2013 - Tu-214VPU (serial number 523, registration number RA-64523) was built by OJSC Kazan Aviation Production Association named after S.P. Gorbunov (KAPO) for the FSB of Russia

              On December 11, 2013, the second observation aircraft Tu-214ON "Open Sky" (registration number RA-64525, serial number 525), under construction for the Ministry of Defense of Russia, was pumped out at KAPO and transferred to the flight test station of the plant
          2. typhoon7
            typhoon7 12 December 2013 18: 59
            0
            Listen to the minuscule, you first prove that it’s not so, and then minus it, or take back your garbage that you put to me, partisans. What a manner, nothing to cover, minus.
    4. clidon
      clidon 11 December 2013 22: 34
      +1
      Wing first, glider second. Or do you think that the technology of the profile and the manufacture of "iron" stand still?
    5. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 12 December 2013 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: dpurpur
      Honestly, I don’t understand: all the filling is out of date, but is the glider and wing really out of date.

      Yes. The wing needs to be redesigned. With the existing, he did not show the claimed characteristics.
  14. max73
    max73 11 December 2013 19: 53
    0
    This article is nothing more than a continuation of the squabble between domestic aircraft manufacturers, which VO users have been observing in the last few months ... pogosyan ... dry ... antonov ... what a ... difference, it would seem .. .so no, it is imperative to braid Boeings with airbuses) .. even if they start to work honestly, without "chernukha" addressed to competitors ... here it is just the dog that rummaged - the squabbles of domestic carriers repel ..
  15. Cherdak
    Cherdak 11 December 2013 19: 58
    +5
    Another Superjet made its first flight. Expected 22 cars for the year

    Dates of the first flights for 2013:

    1 95032/12.02.13/06 _ 95031. 03.06.13 11/95034/28.08.13 _ 16. 95040 02.11.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
    2 95025/22.02.13/07 _ 95036. 20.06.13 12/95035/15.09.13 _ 17. 95042 12.11.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
    3 95028/24.03.13/08 _ 95009. 29.06.13 13/95037/26.09.13 _ 18. 95041 21.11.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
    4 95027/27.04.13/09 _ 95029. 02.07.13 14/95038/06.10.13 _ 19. 95043 01.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
    5 95030/20.05.13/10 _ 95033. 09.08.13 15/95039/18.10.13 _ 20. 95055 09.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX

    and everything else:
  16. darksoul
    darksoul 11 December 2013 20: 00
    +5
    more than its manufacturer needs to be supported and not purchased Boeings which are written off by seniority
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 11 December 2013 20: 12
    +2
    That would not be considered on the site ... virtually all major projects ... just taking away budget funds ... that the Mace ... that the Superjet.
    Those who managed to indulge in their tongues and beautifully tap the tap-off in front of interested persons in the government ... they received money, but not just received, while their main competitors were destroyed.
    No one was interested in a penny for investing to bring the final stage to the finished projects ... not on the same scale ... does not reach, so to speak, William ... Shakespeare.
    But projects with an awesome investment of the budget dough and with projects that are not predictable in terms of execution time ... the longer the more ... inElcom.
    Lope time has passed ... and at the exit of tears ... the mountain gave birth to a mouse.
    Destroyed ready-made developments ... while they brought to what the sane type was new ... count how many billions of dollars went abroad, dozens do not smell here.
    We insist on investing ... investing with us in anything, but not in the future of the country ... USA, Italy, Germany, France ... I am silent about China.
  18. vlad0
    vlad0 11 December 2013 20: 13
    +4
    It looks like ordinary fuss between powerful corporations, with their lobbying and compromising materials. And once Tupolev killed the T-100 Sukhoi and the Myasishevsky bombers.
  19. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 11 December 2013 20: 14
    +3
    Quote: AVV
    I understand that this article is of interested parties! But there is one thing here, but with the development of programs such as the superjet or MC-21, you should not forget that there are other developments, and the teams of enterprises and design bureaus that you also need to remember, Do not forget and support, and do not pull the budget blanket over yourself !!! Russia is big, and there are catastrophic shortages !!!

    I agree! In Russia, more than one aviation design bureau may well get along, there would be a desire, a program meminum - to expel enemy occupants from the Motherland (Boeings, airbuses, etc.)! And to use all available methods for this, and there is no need for any nonsense about "fair competition" - this is an absolute myth !!! Their politicians promote the interests of their producers with all the hypocrisy and aggressiveness inherent in them! But our evens will not learn this in any way. And there, if the desire does not end, then you can think about the occupation of their markets!
    Quote: Edward72
    And there are minds, and powers stand idle rotting. Only there are creatures that push the old trash.

    Well, how so? Pros.ali industrial power !!! Having destroyed it to the level of a medieval bazaar. Where do not spit - some hucksters, thinking only how to push trash left and right! Until our politicians understand that without their support, our producers will lose, in the modern rotten and politicized world of capitalism, we cannot get out of this swamp!
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 11 December 2013 21: 11
      +4
      Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
      In Russia, more than one aircraft design bureau can get along


      ... you just need "accounting and control" for specific results
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 December 2013 20: 21
    +3
    Who will be responsible for the collapse of civil aircraft manufacturing in Russia? Who will take the first step for the gradual restoration of the aviation industry? The question remains open .... We are driving oil and gas to the cordon and are happy. The government, led by Medvedev, calculates the percentage of "acceleration of development" Russian civilian aircraft do not release ... Sad, gentlemen.
  21. typhoon7
    typhoon7 11 December 2013 20: 22
    +7
    As a president, DAM traveled around the world. I went to the states, Obanych gave him 50 Boeings, drove to Italy, there he got 350 armored Fiats. It was thought that with a dozen such trips and he would finally bury the economy.
  22. svp67
    svp67 11 December 2013 20: 26
    +8
    A number of test pilots, including one Hero of the Soviet Union and six Heroes of Russia, sent a letter to Vladimir Putin.
    It would be interesting to read the whole letter. Experienced people and their arguments are not taken from the ceiling ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 11 December 2013 20: 34
      +8
      Dear Mr. President
      At the airport of the city of Kazan, another plane crash occurred with a large number of casualties. A US-made plane crashed during landing. This makes you again turn to you as a guarantor of the constitutional rights of citizens of the Russian Federation. In particular, the right to life. For many years, it has obviously been ignored by senior government officials, whose direct responsibility is to provide Russian airlines with reliable new domestic aircraft.

      For this, in particular, the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and OJSC "Ilyushin Finance Co." were created. The first included most of the aircraft design bureaus and aircraft factories. The charter of the second states that it is being created to assist in the production and implementation of Russian civil aircraft.
      Unfortunately, the UAC, led by M.A.Poghosyan, not only failed to establish the production of civilian airliners. His efforts criminally disrupted the production of the short-medium-range aircraft Tu-334, which received all the necessary documents for its operation in 2005. They ignored the order of the government and personally yours at the beginning of serial production. Instead, according to various estimates, many tens of billions of rubles were spent for the design and production of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft. He never found a place for himself in the Russian sky due to shortcomings known to specialists. One Superjet crashed in Indonesia with foreign customers on board. Another one lay destroyed near the runway at Reykjavik airport (Iceland), like a tombstone.

      Meanwhile, in addition to the Tu-334, which has been ready for flight operation for 10 years already, the medium-range Tu-204 CM has just received all the airworthiness certificates. Its reliability is evidenced by the fact that aircraft of this type are used in the presidential flight unit and in the interests of the RF Ministry of Defense. But this aircraft, for the serial production of which the Ulyanovsk Aviastar aircraft plant is ready, due to the efforts of Poghosyan, remains inaccessible to Russian airlines. The UAC led by him winds up a 30% mark-up. The same cannot be said about foreign-made aircraft, including the flying trash, which was the Boeing-737 that crashed in Kazan.

      A few words about CJSC "Ilyushin Finance". It is characterized by such an eloquent fact. At the beginning of this year, the management of Ilyushin Finance was forced to conclude a contract in Canada for the purchase and operation in Russia of 32 Canadian Bombardier CS300 aircraft, although they did not even pass flight tests. The deal took place in the presence of Minister of Industry and Trade D. Manturov.
      Against this background, the most severe crisis continues to develop in the civil aircraft industry of the Russian Federation. Its main reason is that people run the industry, either with obvious malice, or do not understand anything about the subject. For example, the head of the KLA M. Poghosyan previously only dealt with military aviation. Civil airliners were clearly beyond his powers. He created an almost family structure "Sukhoi Civil Aircraft" (GSS), which has spent hundreds of billions of rubles to no avail. At the same time, the world-famous design bureaus of Tupolev and Ilyushin, who released hundreds and thousands of civilian aircraft into the sky, were simply humiliated if not destroyed. The appeals to you of the President of Tatarstan Rustam Minnikhanov, whose son Irek died in this terrible disaster, did not help either. Like his predecessor Mintimer Shaimiev, he insisted on the serial production of new civil aircraft "Tu" at the idle facilities of the Kazan aircraft plant.
    2. svp67
      svp67 11 December 2013 20: 35
      +7
      Thus, disasters in Kazan and earlier in Perm of the same type of American aircraft could not have happened. It was enough 10 years ago to start mass production of new domestic liners. That never happened. In the Russian sky today flies up to 750 used foreign aircraft, and their number continues to grow. Moreover, it is known that almost nothing reaches us directly from the American and European conveyors. The same goes for spare parts. Often these are refurbished parts. On the scale speaks of such a fact. To maintain the airworthiness of these aircraft, Russian airlines spend about $ 200 million per month. Therefore, the price of airline tickets in Russia is the highest in the world.
      Unfortunately, being already the prime minister, D.A. Medvedev failed to understand the real state of affairs in the civil aircraft industry. Messrs. Poghosyan and Manturov received his signature under the program for the development of civil aircraft construction, which does not take into account anything that could still save the industry and thousands of human lives. There was no place in it for either the design bureau named after. Tupolev, nor KB them. Ilyushin. Only to phantoms, more than half consisting of foreign components, like the same "Superjet".
      Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! We still have time to fix everything. It is enough to listen to expert opinion, which can be developed in the shortest possible time, and put things in order in the industry. If you consult with political parties on the candidacy of a governor or mayor, then why is it impossible to listen to professional aircraft designers and manufacturers of civil aircraft, appointing a professional specialist as the head of the UAC. Otherwise, you will continue to be deceived by professional "thimblers from the aircraft industry", whose goal is to "master the budget", get rich, and blame all the failures on the global crisis. But there has not been a crisis in the world aircraft industry, and there will not be any crisis! A huge queue of aircraft buyers has lined up for global manufacturers for years to come. Why are the Poghosyans-Manturovs depriving our country of such a privilege to the joy of competitors?
      If urgent and necessary measures, first of all personnel, are not taken, then the blame for all future air crashes and human casualties will fall on the country's leadership. Only it has the power to stop the planned killing of people.


      Hero of the Soviet Union, space pilot
      Wolf Igor Petrovich;
      Heroes of Russia, Honored Test Pilots of the Russian Federation:
      Yesayan Ruben Tatevosovich,
      Knyshov Anatoly Nikolaevich,
      Matveyev Vladimir Nikolaevich,
      Tolboev Magomed Omarovich,
      Shchepetkov Oleg Adolfovich;
      Hero of Russia, aerospace systems tester
      Kiryushin Evgeny Aleksandrovich
  23. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 December 2013 20: 29
    +6
    Quote: vlad0
    It looks like ordinary fuss between powerful corporations, with their lobbying and compromising materials. And once Tupolev killed the T-100 Sukhoi and the Myasishevsky bombers.

    If purely our aircraft manufacturers were squabbling (it was in the USSR and normal competition), now Western companies with their resources and connections (since the 90s) are simply going to rot the Russian aviation industry on all fronts and Ukraine is pumping a school of aircraft designers and aircraft manufacturing there .. my opinion (I’m not a specialist, of course, I flew on the TU-134 An-24 L-410 and on the corn box .. it was sick but for 40 minutes .. cheap and at home ..))) Again the nostalgia went eh ..
  24. garik77
    garik77 11 December 2013 20: 44
    +4
    Under Poghosyan and Mikoyanovskoye Design Bureau, too, somehow lost sight of. It seems that in addition to the Sukhoi corporation, we have nothing more and never did.
    1. svp67
      svp67 11 December 2013 20: 56
      +2
      Quote: garik77
      It seems that in addition to the Sukhoi corporation, we have nothing more and never did.

      and it seems NOT TO BE ... Which is very, very Sorry, since there is no spirit of COMPETITION, that is, COMPETITION.
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 11 December 2013 21: 18
      +3
      Hm - Production of IL76MD-90A
      hm2 - MS21 / Yak-242 - manufacturer Irkut, the project is mainly kb. Yak.
      Actually the most lively and promising programs not related to military aviation, in addition to surge. Do you see the Su logo there? I'm not here.
      1. svp67
        svp67 11 December 2013 21: 49
        +5
        Quote: evil hamster
        Hmm ...

        Hmm xnumx
        UAC is a shareholder of the following companies: [6]
        ZAO Sukhoi Civil Aircraft - 75%
        JSC "Interstate Aircraft Building Company" Ilyushin "" - 87%
        OJSC "Ilyushin Finance Co." - fifty %
        Tupolev OJSC - 90%
        OJSC “Experimental Design Bureau named after A. S. Yakovleva "- 82%
        OJSC Experimental Engineering Plant named after V.M. Myasishchev "- 100%

        And all this is led by a man from Sukhoi ...
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 11 December 2013 22: 45
          +1
          And before that, a man from Irkut and Che ???
          1. svp67
            svp67 12 December 2013 01: 30
            0
            Quote: evil hamster
            And before that, a man from Irkut and Che ???

            A man from "Yak", that's why MC21 appeared ...
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 12 December 2013 11: 16
              +1
              In this regard, I recall it was a lot of screaming when Uncle Pogo was put on the KLA, saying that he would close all the MC21 Khan, and if he didn’t close it, the superjet NG would cram it instead. etc. 4 years have passed since then ...
  25. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 11 December 2013 20: 45
    +5
    Guys, don’t worry, the article was sprinkled and timed to the beginning of the operation of five "super-dupers" in Mexico. The Italians, (salon) The French (engines, chassis, avionics) get the benefit from the "duper" from Russia, only cheap brains and labor, and the main benefit is kickbacks, cutting the budget, in general, all the margin, Pogosyan and those who helped him of this project to kill Russian design bureaus and aircraft industry.
    1. Genry
      Genry 11 December 2013 21: 43
      +5
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      cut the budget, in general the entire margin, raped Poghosyan and those who helped him to kill the Russian KB and the aircraft industry for this project.


      You probably hired a sawfly to saw here?

      Poghosyan is an essential (strategic) part of the Russian aviation industry.
      That you want to blame him, then what, he did not let destroy its production and design bureau when everyone else fell apart.

      And this little article, so, for the organization of an internal scandal. Let everyone add dirt to each other. Technology - damn it!
    2. alone
      alone 11 December 2013 22: 23
      +1
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      Guys, don’t worry, the article was sprinkled and timed to the beginning of the operation of five "super-dupers" in Mexico. The Italians, (salon) The French (engines, chassis, avionics) get the benefit from the "duper" from Russia, only cheap brains and labor, and the main benefit is kickbacks, cutting the budget, in general, all the margin, Pogosyan and those who helped him of this project to kill Russian design bureaus and aircraft industry.


      Money doesn’t smell. That’s why they steal. For this they’re even ready to ditch their own production.
      1. standby
        standby 12 December 2013 01: 44
        +3
        And Poghosyan killed the production too ?! And it seemed to me that, thanks to foreign contracts, he was just able to maintain and modernize production (in the assigned area)! It is a pity for others, of course, but he did not send other companies into an insurmountable gap, they "left" before him! Yes, he is supported by the authorities, but the authorities in our country also support pisda..lov-entertainers! And the Sukhoi brand is respected all over the world, and for the quality and service, and there are no failed projects behind it! So somehow.
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 December 2013 01: 48
          0
          Quote: Standby
          Did Poghosyan kill production too ?!

          He skillfully takes advantage of the situation ...
          Quote: Standby
          And the Sukhoi brand is respected all over the world, and for the quality and service, and there are no failed projects behind it!

          Yes now...
          Where did their sports planes go? Why are our athletes forced to fly foreign.
    3. Horst78
      Horst78 12 December 2013 04: 39
      +3
      Or maybe it's not Poghosyan, but the fact that the SSJ100 is just a successful project? Burying the SSJ100 would be better?
      kickbacks, cut the budget, in general the entire margin, raped Poghosyan and those who helped him to kill the Russian KB and the aircraft industry for this project
      and how does the SSJ100 kill the Russian aircraft industry?
  26. Ddhal
    Ddhal 11 December 2013 21: 02
    +1
    Now another fact becomes interesting - the level of reliability of the SSJ-100 aircraft for all functional groups, even in the first year of its operation, is in no way inferior to the level of modern foreign aircraft. Hence, the fundamental and design decisions on the used components were correct.

    I have always respected the Soviet aircraft industry. Now, after several flights on the aforementioned "SUPER jet", it is at least psychologically uncomfortable to continue this exercise. The smell of burnt wiring, panel rattling, hot air from the blower nozzles in summer ...
    Just as in my UAZ - the music is louder and forward, God will give - nothing will rattle, despite regular service ..
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 11 December 2013 21: 42
      +3
      Quote: DDHAL

      I have always respected the Soviet aircraft industry. Now, after several flights on the aforementioned "SUPER jet", it is at least psychologically uncomfortable to continue this exercise. The smell of burnt wiring, panel rattling, hot air from the blower nozzles in summer ...
      Just as in my UAZ - the music is louder and forward, God will give - nothing will rattle, despite regular service ..

      This is like everything that is not in Boeing? Strange! Once I flew to Moscow in a used Boeing and also did not hear the rattling of the panels there, but for a very simple reason - the noise of the engines did not allow! And in general, I was surprised that in your super comfortable Boeing, the size of the seat and seat is like in a city minibus (well, okay - an economy ticket, although you could have left at least some legroom)! Well, in order to understand clearly you need to talk to your neighbor well strain the ligaments, since the noise level was not much less than in the Ilyushka transport-assault, which I had a chance to fly earlier, being at a certain age. In general, a two-hour flight is the same hard labor, as is the ride in a minibus through the whole city. Your criticism, I think, is too one-sided!
      1. Ddhal
        Ddhal 12 December 2013 06: 01
        0
        Dear namesake. I described my own feelings. Personally, my flights on the new superjet cause a much greater sense of anxiety than on a 20-year-old Boeing.
        And the amount of legroom depends on your desire to find it. My height is 191 cm and somehow I manage to fly quite decently.
        With your permission, I can recommend booking in advance - this can be done a day before departure on the airline’s website.
        For example, I can offer an overview of places for the Boeing 737-800:
        http://samolety.org/luchshie-mesta-v-samolete-boeing-737-800-boing-737-800/
        All the best to you good and pleasant flights!
  27. Nitarius
    Nitarius 11 December 2013 21: 06
    +4
    tear off the author’s hands and feet!
    Automation is obsolete-- what prevents replace? aerodynamics remained the same ..... you can always replace automation!
    modern are no different - the same troughs fly! 20 years ago! and there everything is the same!
  28. Victor1
    Victor1 11 December 2013 21: 14
    +3
    A custom article, the Tu334 modified for 2 pilots is in no way inferior to modern analogs, and even more so the superjet, but the Tu334 is our plane, which surpasses the superjet in many respects, but the latter is a screwdriver, many malfunctions and problems have already occurred and it is more moody in operation.
    The launch of the Tu334 will allow our domestic aviation industry to reanimate, and thereby begin to develop future generations of aircraft and, most importantly, reduce the number of air crashes.
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 11 December 2013 21: 24
      +2
      read before enlightenment.
      http://aviadocs.net/MAK/AC/Tu-334-100/NCT231_Tu_334_100.pdf
      1. Victor1
        Victor1 11 December 2013 22: 50
        -1
        what to read there? this is the first version of the Tu-334-100 aircraft, read about the Tu-334CM, if you launch it in a series, then naturally there will be a modified version, and after all, the Tu-334CM can be modified, there would be orders.
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 11 December 2013 22: 55
          +1
          Quote: Victor1
          but tu334 is our plane, which in many respects surpasses the superjet
          that is, all superiority is canceled? Give money, we will design Uuuhhh, and maybe even Eeeeehh ... so what?
          1. Victor1
            Victor1 11 December 2013 23: 42
            -1
            Do you understand what you wrote? T334 is ready for production, but we need the support of the state, which pushes crude, moody in operation, and most importantly screwdriver superjet.
            T334-100 is the old version, T334cm is its deep modernization and if there are orders, then naturally the last modification will be built.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 12 December 2013 00: 03
              0
              Quote: Victor1
              Do you understand what you wrote? T334 is ready for production, but we need the support of the state, which pushes crude, moody in operation, and most importantly screwdriver superjet.
              T334-100 is the old version, T334cm is its deep modernization and if there are orders, then naturally the last modification will be built.

              What kind of Tu334SM, dear man - did you just come up with it? What is such an old and new version? There is only one version of Tu334, the certificate I gave above. Well, about the "dampness" and "screw-driver" - bullshit.
  29. Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky 11 December 2013 21: 21
    +2
    Dear administrators of a reputable site, forum users! And what prevents them from supporting the pilots with their letter to the Guarantor? I am sure that there will be many signatures.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 11 December 2013 21: 41
      0
      LADY will be forwarded to Twitter ..))) But seriously .. I think now Russia needs fighters and attack aircraft (modern) and a lot ..! Not a bit of bickering and controversy now .. the time is stressful! .. While the Strategic Missile Forces are covering Russia but creeping liberalism this time (like rust from the inside) will destroy everything .. (and for the word Russia they will immediately ban in interest, etc.) God!
      1. alone
        alone 11 December 2013 22: 25
        +2
        and are you going to carry civilian passengers with fighter-bombers or attack aircraft?
  30. dengy12
    dengy12 11 December 2013 21: 42
    +1
    Quote: AVV
    Yes, that these figures import all rubbish from the tenth states of the African continent, although we can make new planes, we just need to load our own factories, and furious taxes should be rolled up on old stuff, so it would not be profitable to take !!!

    this is the point with cars: to protect their manufacturers allowed the import of foreign cars at a wild percentage (for mass consumers with small and medium incomes)
  31. vm68dm
    vm68dm 11 December 2013 22: 06
    +5
    Vidio OAO Tupolev
    1. Edward
      Edward 11 December 2013 22: 52
      +4
      I wish all the prosperity of Tupolev Design Bureau. And let the planes of this design bureau glorify Russia in the same way as in the old days they glorified the USSR, raising its production, technology, and science.
      May the 334th be reborn, and then let the 534th and 260th be!
      1. nekromonger
        nekromonger 12 December 2013 01: 37
        +2
        334-ka will not be reborn for the reason that there will be no orders for it in principle. let something modern object.
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 December 2013 01: 43
          +3
          Quote: nekromonger
          334-ka will not be reborn for the reason that there will be no orders for it in principle. let something modern object.

          There will be a normal state program, in particular, granting DOMESTIC aircraft on lease, at low interest rates - there will be orders. Instead of AvtoVAZ, it is better to conduct a state program on co-financing in the Aviation Industry ...
          And I don't think that "334" is very difficult to bring to the modern level.
  32. Stiletto
    Stiletto 11 December 2013 22: 22
    +3
    I don’t want to get into an argument, and I won’t. From myself I will only notice that:
    1. Only the plane that has never flown has never crashed;
    2. While criticizing and calling surnames indiscriminately, fellow critics should remember that behind this surname (whoever it is, and I am not a specially trained Poghosyan troll) there are thousands of people, our compatriots, each of whom made an invaluable contribution to the military and the civil wings of the motherland.
  33. DPN
    DPN 11 December 2013 22: 22
    +2
    Quote: My address
    for failure with a wolf ticket and other things, but on time; for the collapse - criminal and confiscation liability. Unfortunately, we do not have responsibility at the upper levels.


    This is the most important thing, the upper levels will not plant themselves, and even more so with confiscation, not for that they went to power.
  34. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 11 December 2013 22: 38
    +2
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    What old trash are you talking about? About the superjet ??? If about Kazan, then there was a piloting error, and not a technical malfunction,

    In fact of the matter. But why is it a pilot error? - but because they are throwing unprepared pilots to unfamiliar equipment. They got confused in autopilots and there are two of them. If you flew ours they would be simpler and agree that it’s easier, cheaper and more reliable to roll our crews onto our aircraft. That’s why we need to develop our aviation industry, but as always there is not enough money request
  35. shpuntik
    shpuntik 12 December 2013 00: 16
    +3
    Now another fact is becoming interesting - the level of reliability of the SSJ-100 aircraft in all functional groups, even in the first year of its operation, is nothing not inferior to the level of modern foreign aircraft. So, the fundamental and design decisions on the components used were correct.
    Author Mikhail Savinov

    Aircraft 80% of foreign components, and this means that the fundamental and design decisions were correct. This is an expert, everything rests on such. wassat
  36. daem00n
    daem00n 12 December 2013 00: 24
    +3
    Quote: garik77
    Under Poghosyan and Mikoyanovskoye Design Bureau, too, somehow lost sight of. It seems that in addition to the Sukhoi corporation, we have nothing more and never did.

    And there is still something left from Design Bureau P.O. Dry? I think not - the loot taxis IMHO. It’s very clever to drive up design bureaus with vast experience in the design and construction of passenger aircraft in the USSR and transfer all passenger topics to design bureaus that have never done this before!
  37. EvilLion
    EvilLion 12 December 2013 00: 42
    +1
    The article has forgotten several important factors.
    1) An archaic rear-engine layout that collects all the debris from under the chassis and lays the plane on the ass.
    2) Slime Flight Data.
    3) The degree of Ukrainian participation, without Ukraine there was nothing to produce at all, but in Ukraine they riveted their An-148 and then they saw the Tu-334 in a coffin. Actually, the most vile in the hypocritical position of Antonov Design Bureau is that, being foreign, it greatly contributed to the completion of the Tu-334 and violently muddy the Russian project, exposing its foreign car as saving the Russian aircraft industry.
    4) The Tupolevites built the Tupolev Plaza while the Sukhoi Design Bureau, under the leadership of Simonov and then Pogosyan, was doing its job, that is, it was designing airplanes, and if so, it’s time to just cover the Tupolev office, it cannot even do the current Tu-22М3 project .

    And those who complain about foreign components in SSJ are very cheerful. Well, on the great and terrible Su-30MKI, the foreign equipment is full, but the design bureau named after Sukhoi worked, not complaining
  38. daem00n
    daem00n 12 December 2013 00: 45
    0
    Quote: EvilLion
    And those who complain about foreign components in SSJ are very cheerful. Well, on the great and terrible Su-30MKI, foreign equipment is full

    Is that good ?????
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 12 December 2013 01: 42
      +1
      This is better than 0.0 sold due to lag in some fucking thermal imager.
  39. jjj
    jjj 12 December 2013 00: 52
    0
    Call the plane in Russian: "Su-95"
  40. standby
    standby 12 December 2013 01: 19
    +2
    Instead of urgently tackling the restoration of the civilian industry, the authorities decided to transfer the design and construction of civilian aircraft to the Sukhoi Military Design Bureau, which had not previously been engaged in the design of civilian aircraft.
    From here a symbiosis arose with Western aircraft designers and factories, especially since contracts with them gave tangible financial kickbacks into the pockets of top managers of the aviation industry.
    And our developments remained unclaimed not because of the performance characteristics, but because of poor efficiency in terms of financial returns to the UAC top managers.


    I do not want to be seditious, assuming negative reviews, even so, I propose to face the truth! The USSR was a great aviation power (!) In the world, and now there are only a few states capable of building a modern aircraft, how many air companies there were in the USSR and how many factories to repeat, I think it makes no sense, but about as much as in the rest of the world, including the United States. Take Airbus: the fuselage of France, Germany (something even Russia, landing gear, for example), British wings and engines, Spanish tail fins. Let's understand that airplanes are the pinnacle of engineering and technology. It is not for nothing that the Europeans cooperated, in the USA there were also a number of associations ... I also suggest recalling mobile devices 15 years ago and their capabilities! And now! During our troubles, the legislators of aircraft fashion have gone far ahead in terms of fuel efficiency and resource of engines, on-board electronics, materials, design, technology, life cycle cost. Now we will understand that investing crazy money, we must make a product for the prospect of matching the time 15 years ahead, at least, or better, 30-40 (remember the Su-27, and the Tu-154 can be cited as an example. there is a high technological groundwork and the possibility of modernization. Now ask yourself the question whether the 334 has these qualities, and the Tu-204 was lagging behind at the time of release, let's be realistic. Sukhoi was chosen not to annoy the Tu, Yak, Il design bureaus, but because of Due to contracts with India and other countries, the production capabilities were not wasted, but increased, and at the moment they meet the best world standards !!! Those who are fair, in many respects, hate our technological lagging behind. Su-30, Su-35 are like Porsche, Bentley, Ferrari and Toyota among cars. That is, the task is difficult, objectively the best was chosen. Yes, they cooperated, it was impossible without it, and all for the sake of meeting the above standards, etc. and why should one understand that the best capitalists do not share !!! You also need to understand that even the giant Boeing could not master such a project, there was not enough money, it was spent on a dreamliner. It turned out well, but the groundwork, I hope, will certainly be implemented in the MS-21, it should definitely have its own engines, and there are still many of ours, it should normally enter the market, with its fierce competition! And last but not least, times have changed, carriers (Aeroflot are still a commercial organization), with all due respect to the recommendations of the country's leadership, are interested in the most efficient aircraft in use, so the Tu-334 had no chance ..., I was late!
  41. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 12 December 2013 01: 54
    +1
    20 years of capitalism in the yard. It's time to get used to the new reality. Protectionism, relations, lobbying, personal interest, elimination of competitors, in life all this looks exactly like this, it leads to this. But Pogosyan, in principle, has nothing to present, everything in the framework of the capitalist model, thanks to him that he has not fully capitalized and does a lot of useful things for the country.
  42. jjj
    jjj 12 December 2013 07: 28
    0
    A few more lines. Let's remember which of our planes are allowed to fly to Europe and the USA? Let's remember, weep and understand that the Su-95 is the right decision. The aviation industry receives orders. If possible, the Yak-242 will support. Let's fly our good planes
  43. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 12 December 2013 07: 53
    -2
    Quote: Kolyanich
    Those. the sunset of his days, the patriarch of domestic aircraft industry A.N. Tupolev, having lost a real connection with the needs of the country's air force, committed a deliberate act to undermine the country's defense capability to please personal ambitions.

    To the very point! This Tupolev is definitely the ENEMY of the STATE! He ruined the Sukhoi T-4 project, which exceeded the Tu-160 in all respects. T-4 was ready for the series in 1972. there was an order for 250 machines, in addition, projects for improved T-4M and T-4MS machines were ready. and Tupolev just started designing and the first flight was only in 1981. He dropped strategic aviation at 50 years ago, simply licked off finished projects, and even did worse than T-4 aircraft. And now obsolete units of Tu-160 with pointer devices are flying. They say, supposedly, the Tupolevs are modernizing the Tu-160. Precisely dumb, outdated equipment cannot be computerized. Now you can only make a new, different, plane.
    Sukhoi Design Bureau lives and thrives and could already make more than a thousand or more of its modern strategic bombers. Where's the Tupolev Design Bureau? Where are his planes?
  44. Shurale
    Shurale 12 December 2013 08: 29
    +4
    When I was working at the aircraft start, many very much regretted that the Tu-334 had not been put into production at the time, by that time it would have already been modernized and run-in, there is no need to say that it was "outdated".