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WTO and Russian agriculture: who wins?

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Starting from the current year, a regular program was launched aimed at the development of the agricultural sector in Russia. These programs with enviable regularity come out of the governmental depths, then smoothly flowing from one to another, then being born completely spontaneously, but the results of the action of these programs, to put it mildly, are far from ideal.


Despite the enormous agricultural resources that Russia possesses, the effect of using these resources (if compared to many other countries of the world) remains minimal. There are departments, subdivisions, commissions, subcommissions, special groups, committees, the ministry, and the main goal - ensuring the food security of the country - remains unattainable.

So, something about the new program, which is designed for up to 2020 year. The name of this program is as follows:
"State Program (GP) of agricultural development
and regulating the markets for agricultural products, raw materials and food. ”

What are the goals of the program?
1. Ensuring the country's food independence in the parameters set by the Doctrine of Food Security of the Russian Federation;

2. Increasing the competitiveness of Russian agricultural products in the domestic and foreign markets based on the innovative development of the agro-industrial complex, optimizing its institutional structure, creating a favorable environment for the development of entrepreneurship, and increasing the investment attractiveness of the industry;

3. Ensuring the financial sustainability of agricultural producers;

4. Reproduction and increase of efficiency of use in agriculture of land and other natural resources, ecologization of production;

5. Sustainable development of rural areas (this item is allocated to a separate federal targeted program, which they are going to implement in two stages: from 2013 to 2017 and then to 2020 of the year).


In the passport of the considered state program, the expected results of its implementation are separately highlighted. As such, an increase in the total share of Russian agricultural goods by 2020 to the following indicators is considered:
Security grain - 99,8%;
sugar - 91,2%;
vegetable oil - 82,8%;
meat and meat products - 88,9%;
milk and dairy products - 85,3%;
potatoes - 99,7%.


WTO and Russian agriculture: who wins?


The development of this state program has been carried out over the past few years, so the 2009 of the year is taken as the main reference point of reference in some points. So, for example, according to the letter of the GP, by 2020, labor productivity in the agricultural sector of the Russian Federation should increase by 70%, and the wage level to the same 2020 should be no less than 95% of the average for a particular region. The government allocates more than 2,1 trillion to these goals and to solve such ambitious tasks. rubles, of which, you need to pay special attention to this, almost 190 billions have already been spent. The creation of a regulatory framework and the fitting of Russian technical regulations to WTO technical regulations is indicated as the main direction of spending. That is, the first “portion” of budget financing went to documentary alignment of the field of activity of Russian agricultural producers within the World Trade Organization.

So, the SE of the development of agriculture and regulation of the markets of agricultural products, raw materials and food one of its goals is to increase the level of food independence (security) of the country. At the same time, it is necessary to pay attention to what the food “independence” of our country is today. According to reports from several analytical centers, the level of imports of meat and meat products in Russia today is 25% (every fourth kilogram of meat on the Russian market is imported), milk and dairy products (together with dried milk) - about 30%, the level of imports of fruits and vegetables comes to 59-60%, vegetable oil - 24%.

It would seem that if you press a little, you can achieve the level of domestic production defined in the State Program without any problems and turn Russia into a world leader in the production of high-quality agricultural products capable of being one of the locomotives of the economy. Despite the ambition of the goals and objectives of the GP, they do not look at all unattainable and impracticable. Or better so - would not look if it were not for one thing. This “but” refers to the need to invest in agriculture, not even with the aim of developing it, but with the aim of fitting its standards to WTO standards. That is, at the household level, something like this: in order for Russian turnips to be brought to the international market at preferential duties, you need to grow this turnip this way and that. We will not “so and so”, so the Dutch, the Japanese or the Swedes will not deny the Russian hypothetical turnip to their markets to “let go”, but our counters will cast aside their “turnip” in any case ...

It turns out that the very promise of the agricultural program, which will be implemented before 2020, is in conflict with WTO rules. Why? Yes, because the bosses of the World Trade Organization give us (Russia) 5-7 years, so that we (Russia) think well about how to build their agricultural market. And this is only for the so-called "sensitive" groups of goods. For a number of other products - the term and not more than 2 years. After this period, the global manufacturer, we will build something or do not have time to do this, trample to Russia, lured by the demand for a reduction in duties for foreign goods. Considering that the Russian Federation was admitted to the WTO in August last year, almost a year and a half from the mentioned period has already passed.

Referring to the document signed by representatives of the Russian authorities 22 August 2012, when Russia joins the WTO, it should be noted that in the near future, the Russian Federation will have to reduce duties on all agricultural and related products. So, for example, the duties on milk and dairy products will decrease on average by 5%, fish raw materials (if you refer fish to agricultural) by 5%. Reduced duties on fruits and vegetables - 1,5 times (for some types of vegetables - a decrease of almost 2 times). Mineral fertilizers and animal feed imported from abroad are also expecting a significant reduction in duties. 31 December 2019 of the year should fall last bastion - quotas on the import of foreign pork.

In this regard, it is possible to note the presence of a certain incident: on the one hand, the government program requires Russian agricultural producers to increase production for all types of agricultural products, and on the other hand, the Russian government undertakes to gradually open up the domestic market for imports. This situation may lead to the development of the following scenario: Russian farmers will have to reduce the price of their products, prepared for sale on the domestic market. Otherwise, a more affordable imported agricultural product, today more resembling the achievement of the chemical industry, will continue to displace Russian products: from vegetables and fruits to meat and milk. Already, it is almost impossible to see Russian apples, cabbage or potatoes on the shelves of large retail chains (especially in winter). The shelves are replete with perfectly clean, unnaturally shiny, not “bled flies” (flies and they don’t sit on it ...) Polish, Dutch, Spanish, Turkish, Israeli and other agricultural products. And this is before a large-scale reduction in import duties. We can assume that it will be after Russia fulfills all obligations to the WTO ...

But will peasant farms survive in the event that they also require cheaper finished products? And now, many farmers are forced to sell their agricultural products to dealers at bargain prices. What will happen next? Nobody wants to work at a loss, but if you are guided by the requirements of the WTO and the tasks voiced in the State Program, then you will either have to work at a loss, or you just have to pound your farms with boards, give arable land for the cottage building, and put cows under the knife.

But it was already in our country. Suffice it to recall the situation of 1992-1993, when even major government officials declared that it is more profitable for Russia to put an extra pair of pipe branches to transfer hydrocarbons to Europe than to grow potatoes or carrots in their fields. Then they did it ... Today, except that in the field of grain gathering significant progress is observed. Russia has again become one of the exporters of grain, only it should be noted that the grain harvest will not reach the level of the 1992 of the year. The level of meat production today in 1,6 times lower than the 1992 of the year. Such a situation is an echo of 90-x, when Russia's strategic resource — its arable land (and this is 10% of all arable land of the planet) —were completely neglected when the word “collective farm” became synonymous with devastation and hopelessness, when the tendency of complete destruction of domestic agricultural sector with a simultaneous triumphant march of “Bush legs” around the country. Having work in the countryside became almost nonsense; people were forced to leave their homes, abandon their farms and look for a better life in large cities. And today we want to repeat this one more time? But isn't this extra injection fatal? ..

If we want to achieve the food independence program mentioned in the program, then the WTO bosses need this, as they say, popularly explained. What a sin to conceal, the tasks of these very bosses certainly do not include the development of the Russian agricultural sector. So, it’s time to work with the bosses themselves, and with the WTO as a whole ... In Syria, after all, we were able to work on the development of the CU - as well, but here - is it really that difficult ...

Well, this is if such work is in general in the interests of state officials, as well as the development, in fact, of agriculture ...
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  1. Canep
    Canep 11 December 2013 07: 50
    22
    Without large agricultural associations, it is very difficult to compete to keep the domestic market for agricultural products, and it is simply not possible to compete on the outside.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 December 2013 09: 18
      +9
      Quote: Canep
      and competing on the outside is simply not possible.


      Why so? Oil in exchange for expired and genetically modified food ...
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 09: 39
        +1
        I talked with agronomists, seed growers, veterinarians and other professionals, and so they do not have a clear understanding that GMO is bad. For that there are suspicions that this industry is deliberately hampered by us, so that we would remain on the margins of agriculture. I myself am "not to the teeth" in genetics and therefore I am inclined to trust professionals, especially since these are not Internet whistleblowers, but my personal acquaintances.
        1. complete zero
          complete zero 11 December 2013 09: 42
          18
          something is not much my cat eats it all GMOs, and you’ll fool it horseradish))))
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 10: 17
            +7
            Quote: complete zero
            something is not much my cat eats it all GMOs

            maybe it's not GMOs, but soy instead of meat? So he will not particularly eat ordinary soy.
            1. complete zero
              complete zero 11 December 2013 10: 58
              +6
              most likely you are right, GMO or Soy (apparently there is a difference) ... but I don't expect anything good from joining the WTO, honestly, who will protect our manufacturer, which is in its "embryonic state"?
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 11 December 2013 16: 33
                +1
                Quote: complete zero
                who will protect our "rudimentary" manufacturer

                Believe me, no one.
                Each region (republic) has programs to support agricultural producers and small entrepreneurs. Only money for a couple of years in advance is all "tidied up".
                Bashkiria stands apart (with the exception of the poor districts of Uchalinsky and Beloretsky) and Tatarstan.
                There, real money reached the earth!
                Technique Glaas, Jonidir, Nyukholand, etc. Seed fund from beyond the hillock - "Super-Elite" reproduction.
                Most peasants have private farmsteads with rams up to 10 heads, geese up to 200 heads, cows, horses. Of course, this is not by the majority and not by mass order, but against the background of Russian villages it stands out very much.
                But the main "ambush" about which Vladimir apparently does not know this:
                World agricultural holdings with equipment and others will come to us. They will buy Chinese or Tajiks for inexpensive land, manage the equipment, and after a couple of years they will ultimately kill the domestic agricultural producer. It starts a completely subsistence economy in endangered villages, villages and towns. It is not the first year that earthly wars have been going on in the Kuban and Stavropol Territory.
                1. dark_65
                  dark_65 11 December 2013 19: 10
                  +1
                  Already now it would be possible to make a simple move. To create state networks in each regional center. Namely for our manufacturer .. only domestic. A little just the will of the governors .. and the whole intermediary trash of the nose will not stick.
                2. Gladiatir-zlo
                  Gladiatir-zlo 11 December 2013 19: 53
                  +2
                  Himself from Stavropol, we press from the east of Dagi, they really shoot sometimes, and it is because of the pastures, however, the trend.
                  I would like to touch on the technology of precision farming, and so many of our Stavropol agrarians still have gaps between the rows, after passing the seeder up to 40 cm. and glonas them in the stump did not hit.
              2. Gladiatir-zlo
                Gladiatir-zlo 11 December 2013 19: 49
                -4
                Gentlemen, yes, he has been feeding from time immemorial, why is he all in the ass? Moreover, there are specialists who from 5 hectares, engaged in obtaining elite seeds, earn up to 1000% of the margin, these are some clever girls to look for. and those "peasants who get 18 centners per hectare to drive them in the neck, twist their tails to camels, otherwise they will never learn. from the audience, "So they would give us," but I sit and think, but it was not the state that decided to whom to give, it was the commerce that was brought, and they built convenient shops and sold to people. And these peasants know only one thing, "GIVE, MORE GIVE" you never feed a tapeworm.
          2. IRBIS
            IRBIS 11 December 2013 18: 01
            +3
            Quote: complete zero
            something is not much my cat eats it all GMOs

            GMO - it is GMO, even if some letters are missing ...
        2. Orik
          Orik 11 December 2013 13: 11
          +3
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          Communicated with agronomists, seed growers, veterinarians and other professionals, and so they don’t have a clear understanding that GMOs are bad.

          It depends on what you mean by the word "bad". If there is harm to health, then there is really no unequivocal evidence, although I am personally embarrassed, because nature cannot be fooled. BUT there is a second side of the coin, GMO crops do not give seeds for subsequent reproduction, and this is a fact. As the creators of the world order say, "who controls hydrocarbons controls states, who controls food controls every person."
          There is a systematic promotion of GMOs, by the decree of the government of the Russian Federation No. 839, adopted on September 23, 2013, it allows sowing genetically modified grains in Russia, the EU demanded from Ukraine, in an unsigned document on association, to limit the "seed base in accordance with EU directives. (domestically, not for export!) homemade pickles (including lard) and urination in accordance with EU directives. ", in the US it is already forbidden to trade in products to individuals and GMO seeds are imposed, I have not read it myself in the EU, but I think too ... So decide GMO products are dangerous and why ?!
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 14: 53
            +3
            Quote: Orik
            GMO crops do not produce seeds
            Even if given, it would have helped little.
            First, it is often more practical to buy seeds from seed growers than to produce and store them yourself.
            Secondly, any variety has a copyright holder and it is not so easy to grow something out of the "left" seeds.
            Thirdly, for example, our agricultural holding, so as not to depend on seed producers and not pay copyright holders, will register new varieties.
            1. Gladiatir-zlo
              Gladiatir-zlo 11 December 2013 19: 57
              +1
              Well done, well respected breeders, strongest specialists.
          2. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 14: 55
            0
            Quote: Orik
            because you can’t deceive nature
            As far as I remember school biology, food in the stomach decomposes into simpler compounds, and there it was still all the same GMO initially or not. Otherwise it would have turned out: in order to grow wiser enough, there are brains.
          3. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 14: 58
            +1
            Quote: Orik
            So decide GMO products are dangerous and what ?!

            It may be dangerous, quite, but the motive for such behavior of Europeans could be not concern for the health of their citizens, but weakening the position of Ukrainian agriculture.
            1. Orik
              Orik 11 December 2013 16: 12
              +3
              Not only Ukrainian, but the gradual monopolization of the seed market of the world (!). All regulations are written for this strategic task.
          4. Gladiatir-zlo
            Gladiatir-zlo 11 December 2013 19: 56
            +1
            Believe our farmers, in the Stavropol region, and officially, only 10% of the area was sown in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation. what was sown on the remaining areas is a RIDDLE, maybe GMOs and who admits, "BOUGHT SHIPPING WITHOUT DOCUMENTS" WITHOUT WAITING FOR ENTRY INTO WTO.
          5. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 11 December 2013 20: 04
            -2
            And why did you decide that they do not give seeds ?? What is this fact? I have a higher biological education, I am engaged in science in agriculture and have never heard anything like it !!!
            Genetically modified foods are not dangerous!
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 11 December 2013 20: 44
              0
              Now, by the number of minuses, it will be possible to very accurately determine the number of people on this site who are not familiar with the basics of biology! hi
        3. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 11 December 2013 14: 21
          +1
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          they don’t have a clear understanding that GMOs are bad
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 16: 19
            +3
            Well of course :-) this is the Belgian blue breed, they should be like that. Well, as they should, they shouldn't of course, but this mutation was specifically bred 200 years ago. You understand, GMO was not there then :-)
            Such mutations occur in humans.
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 11 December 2013 18: 04
              +1
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              this is a belgian blue breed

              Honestly, I had no doubts about "blue". How about "Belgian" ...
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 11 December 2013 19: 05
              +1
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              Such mutations occur in humans.

              The gene for regulating the secretion of myostatin is blocked artificially, and the feed is now mostly difficult.
          2. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 16: 44
            +1
            here is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Blue
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        5. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 14: 27
          0
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          Communicated with agronomists, seed growers, veterinarians

          and these experts and e may not have any opinion whatsoever, sorry, but they have no relation to genetics
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 14: 45
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            but they have no relation to genetics

            They test modified seeds, feed cattle, etc.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 15: 39
              +2
              sorry to what generation, how did they test the effect on animals at the genetic level?
              what you say is funny, the agronomist or livestock specialist was convinced of the harmlessness of GMOs, as he was convinced, the cattle did not die? !!! or maybe she became even dumber, he checked it, if so how?
              1. Gladiatir-zlo
                Gladiatir-zlo 11 December 2013 20: 03
                +1
                what is the use of GMOs for, 85% insemination of cattle in the Stavropol Territory, and this is official data, made by left bulls, as a result of rampant infections (cattle also fly in), the animal productivity is reduced to 30% of the average breed capacity. There are cases when dairy cows were covered with a bull of a meat breed, and far from an elite producer, but by what they were. Then they left the appeared offspring on the main herd, only they saw no milk or meat. Everything was done, it was time to inseminate the cows, but there was nothing, so the livestock specialist with blue eyes agreed. The case is genuine, the minister himself this spring at the outcome of the autumn meeting told.
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                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 20: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Gladiatir-Zlo
                  left the offspring that appeared on the main herd,

                  this is another matter solved by the introduction of article 58
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 15: 41
              +1
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              They test modified seeds

              have genetic studies been carried out again?
              if not then everything else sorry profonation
              1. FunkschNNX
                FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 16: 35
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                have genetic studies been carried out again?

                What kind of research?
                From the use of GMOs in food, animals did not acquire any diseases, animal products did not contain harmful substances, offspring did not lose in quality or in stock.
                Do you think Americans and Europeans intentionally poison? Or is their science so primitive than ours that they do not see the obvious? I would rather believe that they deliberately put us in the wheel in the development of our own technologies and production.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 16: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Фкенщь13
                  From the use of GMOs in food, animals did not acquire any diseases.

                  whether or not there was a check at the GENETIC LEVEL, whether there were changes in subsequent generations.
                  in addition, if, as you say, the studies were carried out in agricultural holdings by veterinarians, then whether the animals lived in a row before the end of their biological term, and accordingly, no one can say how it affected their health in old age, how it affected subsequent generations and to which generation if the analysis was conducted.
                  1. FunkschNNX
                    FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 17: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    whether or not there is a change AT THE GENETIC LEVEL

                    All this would lead to diseases and mutations, but animals and their offspring are healthy.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 18: 52
                      -1
                      Quote: Фкенщь13
                      but animals and their offspring are healthy.

                      once again there are or not genetic changes in animals, how the presence or absence of mutations was checked, up to which generation observations were made.
                  2. FunkschNNX
                    FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 17: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    whether animals lived in a row before the end of their biological term

                    cattle live in dairy farms, of course, not until old age, but for some more or less long time.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 18: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Фкенщь13
                      certainly not until old age, but some more or less long

                      this long time is determined by the period of lactation in animals, that is, not at all until old age
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 16: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: Фкенщь13
                  Do you think Americans and Europeans intentionally poison?


                  Do you think not?
                  1. FunkschNNX
                    FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 17: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Do you think not?

                    If you eat everything in a row and not move, then you will become so on natural food, we have enough fat people without GMOs. So there is no direct relationship.
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                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 19: 00
                      0
                      Numerous studies conducted by scientists have shown that animals whose diet includes genetically modified foods (mainly corn and soy), age faster, have weak immunity and are unable to tolerate and give birth to healthy offspring. In particular, rats with this diet give birth to weak cubs, the mortality rate among which is abnormally high.

                      can you refute this? !!
                      if at least there is little possibility that this is so, then .....
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 11 December 2013 20: 18
                        0
                        Vladimir, excuse me, but after reading your messages, I see that you just don’t understand (as, indeed, most people who did not even bother to study the school biology course) in the subject of discussion!
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 21: 36
                        0
                        and I won’t argue, I know one thing until harmlessness has been proven, use

                        and as far as I understand there is no evidence of safety, the opinions of the scientific world are divided.
                    3. FunkschNNX
                      FunkschNNX 12 December 2013 09: 37
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      can you refute this? !!

                      No, I cannot refute the anonymous quotation of "numerous scientists".
                    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 December 2013 10: 27
                      0
                      Well, actually, you did not give any "research" data at all.
                      I'm sorry, but the statements of veterinarians at agricultural holdings are not studies, this is bullshit
                    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 December 2013 10: 27
                      0
                      Well, actually, you did not give any "research" data at all.
                      I'm sorry, but the statements of veterinarians at agricultural holdings are not studies, this is bullshit
              2. alone
                alone 11 December 2013 21: 14
                +2
                If you think that these fat Americans, you are mistaken. The upper left corner is advertising, in the advertisement I think the Georgian alphabet says something.
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            4. Gladiatir-zlo
              Gladiatir-zlo 11 December 2013 20: 06
              +1
              But before there was beauty, hunger, rampant brucellosis, foot and mouth disease and other amenities. But now all the antibiotics and GMO feed. AND NEITHER A CHURCH NOR KABAK IS NOTHING IS HOLY. EH GUYS EVERYTHING NOT SO, ALL NOT SO GUYS "
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 11 December 2013 20: 12
        +2
        Genes are composed of nucleotides, of which there are only 5 types! And nucleotides are just bricks, which in themselves do not mean anything, only their sequence in DNA and RNA molecules matters, which, in fact, is a gene! Passing through the intestines and being processed by the enzymes of the pancreatic juice, ANY gene is destroyed to these very nucleotides, which are then used by cells to build their own DNA and RNA molecules. It doesn't matter what you eat, potatoes or salmon, or potatoes with the salmon gene, you will still destroy their genes to "bricks", and then build your substances from them!
    2. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 11 December 2013 19: 41
      +4
      I agree that there are strong specialists, but let's not be cunning, basically this is such a swamp that cannot be easily shaken up. Let me explain right away, I am engaged in classical agricultural risk insurance, and so, the state allocates a lot of money to subsidize insurance, and pays 50% of the insurance premium, and in strict accordance with the procedure for its calculation. SO 90% of today's agricultural insurance is 100% of the scheme for cutting budget funds. There are also a couple of regional executives landing for a couple of years. For example, the fees for agro of the Interregional Fire Insurance Company exceed fees = all fees of ROSGOSSTRAKH, our recognized flagship. For demand creates supply and not vice versa. The farmers themselves are sowing such garbage that they cannot even call it seeds. For example, an employee of the Ministry of Agriculture tells with pain that in the farm where he received 10 centners per hectare as an agronomist 54 years ago, now he cannot go above 35. And next to it, a farmer gets 65 c / ha. I am silent about animal husbandry, out of the insured livestock of cattle, by the end of the year 30% survived, and even very "independent" experts from the Ministry of Agriculture recognized violations of the conditions of detention as the cause of death of animals. Although the animals were purchased with budget money. And here are positive examples, in the private household plots there are 120 heads of cattle, they want to drive them into the framework of RA {? and they do not go, they are not even bored with taxes, they will be mutilated with just queues to different authorities. There are a million examples, here we need SMERSH teams to burn out all this moronic infection with fire. And take my word for it, the overwhelming majority of the chairmen of the SEC, Kolkhozes say the same thing, "Enough for my lifetime, but at least the grass won't grow there." And believe them do not care at all, they will sell the piece of land and dump it, the workers are their mother.
    3. AVV
      AVV 11 December 2013 22: 10
      0
      The fact of the matter is that after the consumption of GMOs, all of America and the EU countries become LGBT without exception !!! In people’s brains, genes are modified !!! And Muslims and Negroes do not eat this rubbish, so they have in the same Europe, 10-12 children, replace the people of Europe !!! Hitler to the Brucelean reformers, far away, he with his conc. the camps did not cause such damage to the population of Europe as Brussels !!! Of course he destroyed, most of the people in our country !!! But now, he would have turned over three times in the next world !!!
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 09: 28
    11
    I work in rice cultivation, because we have only pluses from the WTO, Russian rice is of better Asian quality and it is not a competitor to us in the domestic market, but I bought it very well abroad. Another thing is that now our bosses will sell more abroad, but this minus is no longer for agricultural, but for the people.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 December 2013 09: 53
      +5
      I work in rice cultivation, because we have only pluses from the WTO, Russian rice is of better Asian quality and it is not a competitor to us in the domestic market, but I bought it very well abroad. Another thing is that now our bosses will sell more abroad, but this minus is no longer for agricultural, but for the people.

      You just need to increase volumes, why merge the domestic market ?! Comrade argue politically, you see! wink
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 10: 14
        +3
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        You just need to increase the volume
        It will not work, no one has canceled the crop rotation and collecting more than a million tons of rice in the Kuban is a very difficult task, on the brink, and maybe beyond the possible. Maybe in five years, if the majority of manufacturers take care of modern equipment and technologies. Even in Rostov and in the Far East they grow, but there are "mere pennies" and the yield is far from ours.
        1. Orik
          Orik 11 December 2013 13: 13
          +2
          So let them put GMO rice for the cordon, I think its performance is higher, but we are normal. wink
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 15: 01
            +2
            Quote: Orik
            So let them go to the cordon they deliver GMO rice

            So maybe that's why we have GMOs and "spread rot" so that we do not compete with them.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 11 December 2013 20: 05
              +3
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              So maybe that's why we have GMOs and "spread rot" so that we don't compete with them

              But at the same time, our rice flies are bought at a more expensive price, you say it yourself. And why would it?
              1. FunkschNNX
                FunkschNNX 12 December 2013 09: 53
                0
                In our country, in principle, other varieties of rice grow, for objective reasons, for example, climate.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 14: 29
      +3
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      I work in rice farming

      Do you have any relation to genetics?
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 15: 03
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Do you have any relation to genetics?

        A little earlier, I myself admitted that:
        Quote: Фкенщь13
        I myself am "not to the teeth" in genetics

        therefore referred to the experience of communicating with professionals. I’ll clarify once again that these were not Internet experts, but living people with vast scientific and practical experience in agriculture, agronomists of large agricultural holdings. By the way, I also heard from them that in Ukraine secretly GMOs are grown grain.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 15: 55
          +3
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          I’ll clarify again that these were not Internet specialists, but living people with vast scientific and practical experience in agriculture, agronomists of large agricultural holdings

          and what does the agronomist have to do with genetic research? !!!, with the same success you can ask a cardiologist about eye cataract, the same doctor
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 16: 38
            +2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            and what is the relation of the agronomist

            And he just grows products (both GMOs and natural ones) and who better than the agronomist knows what grows better. And who better than the animal knows what is best for animals.
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            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 16: 52
              +3
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              And he just grows products (both GMOs and natural ones) and who better than the agronomist knows what grows better.

              if you feed cattle with steroids, then the livestock specialist will tell you that by the age of slaughter she is gaining weight much better than on natural feed, but I'm not sure if you want to eat such meat.
              the agronomist cannot say how GMO products affect the human body, and in this matter it is more important than undead resistance to diseases or weeds.
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 16: 55
              +1
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              And who better than the animal knows what is best for animals.

              firstly, the question is not in animals but in people, secondly, in order to understand the effect, it is necessary to observe not one or two, but a significantly larger number of livestock, in addition, throughout the entire BIOLOGICAL LIFE, and most importantly, to check the offspring in the 3rd and 4th generation
              1. FunkschNNX
                FunkschNNX 11 December 2013 17: 18
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                the question is not in animals but in people

                Well, here, in principle, there is nothing to discuss, because experiments on people are forbidden and, accordingly, no one can give a definite answer.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 19: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Фкенщь13
                  no one can give a definite answer

                  you answered yourself
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  • 0251
    0251 11 December 2013 10: 08
    +2
    “If we want to achieve the food independence mentioned in the program, then the WTO bosses need to explain it, as they say, in a popular way. It's no secret that the development of the Russian agricultural industry is certainly not the task of these very bosses. So it's time to work with ourselves bosses, and with the WTO as a whole ... After all, we were able to work on Syria, on the development of the Customs Union - too, but here - is it really so complicated ...
    Well, this is if such work is generally in the interests of state officials, as well as the development of agriculture, in fact ... "Probably it is necessary to revive the collective economy and state planning and control over all agricultural activities. WTO if he puts a spoke in the wheels of the entire Russian economy.
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    1. Krasnoarmeec
      Krasnoarmeec 11 December 2013 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: 0251
      Probably it is necessary to revive the collective economy and state planning and control over all activities.


      What do you mean by collective farming?

      I work in the sphere of sales of spare parts for Rostselmash combines, and no matter how anyone has canceled the farm. Control over all activities, I agree one hundred percent, but in our realities this is the same as control over housing and communal services, until you go around a dozen thresholds yourself, everyone and everything is not for ***, there will be no positive result. Until there is inevitability of punishment, any state program will drown in a swamp of corruption, and not a single tightening of laws will help !!! In any area !!!!
      What can we say about officials when we have any little engineer or a supplier trying to tear a piece from a pie?!?!? You can’t even imagine the scale of the disaster, 97% of all transactions are kickbacks, and this is 5-10% of the amount, respectively, this entails an increase in the cost of the account. On average, a farm with 5-7 combines (and this is a good farm) annually buys a s / h for 1-000 rubles. so consider it. More than sure that chemistry is the same for seeds, and after all, spare parts are the smallest part of the costs of farmers.
      Subsidies:
      The state allocates subsidies, and in principle, not bad ones, BUT, first they receive close agricultural holdings (Vyselkovsky, Kanevskaya, and the like there), and what remains for the rest.
      Here you have a rise in price of products at the initial stage ........
      Anyway, the impression is that soon in Russia there will be only a dozen agricultural holdings, they are taking away the land by hook or by crook ........
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 11 December 2013 10: 25
    +4
    Quote: Canep
    Without large agricultural associations, it is very difficult to compete to keep the domestic market for agricultural products.


    (+) I completely agree with you, farming it is final is good, but in the final exhaust is more expensive. Take Belgorod for example, Savchenko is right, in due time, has set priorities and you will get the chicken now in the EU, even when compared to 1999, poultry production in slaughter weight has increased almost 5 times, here are pork compared with 1999 almost doubled, if we take the cattle stock then everything is not as we would like, the beef is still imported, but not everything is so bad, in the first 13 years there were no large fluctuations in the number of livestock, but milk production increased by 2 times, from which we can conclude that preference is given to milk m species, we must also add that many large companies are imported from the USA and Australia, breeding cattle.

    Well, how can it be without proof http://russia-review.ru/o-proekte/rossiiskaja-ehkonomika-ne-tolko-neft-i-gaz/
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 11 December 2013 10: 45
      +3
      For sure, the farmer will never work for the state, only in his own pocket and he will be engaged only in making profit at the lowest cost and risk, therefore, without collective farms and state farms in the current sense, the country cannot raise agriculture.
      Gosplan and subsidies.
      Won Old Man knows where and how much he has been planted or wound up and fights for arbitrariness.
  • tor11121
    tor11121 11 December 2013 11: 37
    +1
    and large agricultural unions are state farms and collective farms, there is not a stone left of them. There are small farmers with Stone Age technologies trying to make ends meet. Yes, and how to make such a difference in prices, compare the cost of one liter of solarium and meat. we have the purchase price of beef from a private trader 135 r. next to the market it is already 250 -270 p.
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    2. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 11 December 2013 16: 56
      -1
      The author is trying hard to advance half the truth, describing the situation as similar to 90, or frankly lying.
      As can be seen from the graph below. Over the past years, imports have fallen, including meat, and about fruits - heresy, since we must import bananas or apricots by default, we have such a country.

      It is also seen that the USSR imported wheat, and we export. Approximately the same thing happens in other areas



      Separately for meat, there is such a schedule

      It is clearly seen that meat imports are stagnating, and domestic production has been growing since 2000.
      And here a surprise awaits the author

      No economic crisis prevented us from increasing our own production; from 2000 to 2012, it (production) increased by 79,6%!
      Moreover, the last graph that shows the consumption of meat per capita, taking into account and excluding imports:

      Looking at this graph, you can see that in 2009, the level of per capita consumption only due to own meat production exceeded the total level of its consumption of 2000 of the year along with import. In 2012, the level of consumption per person per year only due to own production exceeded the total level of consumption of 2005 of the year along with import.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 17: 01
        +4
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        It is also seen that the USSR imported wheat, and we export. Approximately the same thing happens in other areas

        there is one small "but" can you give figures on the livestock of cattle in the Union?
        we imported millet of soft varieties for fodder, and now instead of wheat we import cattle from Argentina
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 11 December 2013 18: 07
          -1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          there is one small "but" can you give figures on the livestock of cattle in the Union?
          we imported millet of soft varieties for fodder, and now instead of wheat we import cattle from Argentina


          With the union, with a large herd, there was a shortage of meat even in Moscow, cattle went under the knife, which could not give milk. In the Duma, even on this occasion, they clawed a couple of years ago. Until now, the absence of a large number of beef cattle remains a problem in Russia, and 90% of cattle for slaughter is dairy.

          And from Argentina and the USA just the same pedigree cattle is imported, which is not dairy, but meat, so that our livestock is not only large, but also productive, but this is not a matter of even one or even five years
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 19: 07
            +2
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            With the union, with a large herd, there was a shortage of meat, even in Moscow

            I don’t know what you had in Moscow, but in Alma-Ata there was meat
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            And from Argentina and the United States it is imported just the same tribal

            and the chaff in the carcasses are not imported? !!!!
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 11 December 2013 20: 16
              -1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and the chaff in the carcasses are not imported? !!!!

              The Russian Federation imports 25% of meat products, in the middle of 90x and the beginning of 2000x there was 40-45%, meat imports have stagnated for several years, and production is growing.
            2. FunkschNNX
              FunkschNNX 12 December 2013 10: 29
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              but in Alma-Ata there was meat

              Everything was there, and there was also a deficit. I remember how my grandmother and I went to the Okean grocery store that they went to the corner of Satpayev and Furmanov for some tasty food, though we didn’t always have time to stand in line at one time, it used to be in the morning we would take a queue and return home, after lunch our turn came up. And there was meat on the collective farm market and private traders sold in suburban settlements, and they went to the region in sacks to buy potatoes, and for onions to Chengeldy.
              Oh, it was good, and the trees were taller and the girls were younger :-)
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          3. projdoha
            projdoha 11 December 2013 20: 51
            0
            how much meat can you eat? probably beer too?
        2. projdoha
          projdoha 11 December 2013 20: 50
          0
          from australia
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  • timer
    timer 11 December 2013 23: 30
    0
    I declare this is a one-sided approach! What would I do if I was the leader of the country: 1) exit from the WTO; 2) it is necessary to develop in parallel both large argoholdings and peasant farms, coupled with personal farmsteads of the villagers; 3) as production of agricultural products increased, banned imports; 4) in order to attract people from cities to the countryside, he developed a program to stimulate and equip villages along the lines of the 21st century with all communications; 4) forced retail chains (by market methods) to buy domestic products; 5) RASN should actively work in rural areas; 5) the village is an active consumer
    agricultural machinery, building materials, seed, various techniques to increase productivity and product quality. Establish production of agricultural equipment with the involvement of state funding. And this is in a nutshell!
    And for all this, CONTROL BY THE GOS.ORGANOV (MGB, PEOPLE'S CONTROL, ACCOUNT CHAMBER). Like this.
  • domokl
    domokl 11 December 2013 07: 57
    +9
    What is happening in agriculture is really not even threatening with loss, but completely dependent on the West. Russian agriculture cannot compete with the southern regions of Europe. The CX cannot compete in meat.
    We are a zone of risky farming. So, we need to introduce such requirements for product quality that are not in the EU. Then the contract will not be violated and we will preserve the peasants.
    1. INTER
      INTER 11 December 2013 08: 18
      +5
      Quote: domokl
      What is happening in agriculture is really not even threatening with loss, but completely dependent on the West. Russian agriculture cannot compete with the southern regions of Europe. The CX cannot compete in meat.
      We are a zone of risky farming. So, we need to introduce such requirements for product quality that are not in the EU. Then the contract will not be violated and we will preserve the peasants.

      I heard recently that the era of cheap food is over, will this fact give competitive advantages to our farmers? + The population of China and India, and the fact that the population of the earth by 2050 will be 9 billion people. Now oil is extracted in those places where it was previously considered unprofitable.
      1. domokl
        domokl 11 December 2013 08: 50
        0
        Quote: INTER
        Will this fact give competitive advantages to our farmers?

        Alas ... Our farmers have not really learned how to use the possibilities of genetic engineering. Although in the fall at an agricultural exhibition I took pigs from our pig complex, which grow up to 100 kg in three months.
        If you were right, then abandoned farmland would now be flooded with investors and money bags from around the world. And we see a completely opposite picture.
        It seems to me that production is specially restrained. To keep some states in check ...
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 11 December 2013 09: 00
          +9
          Quote: domokl
          Although in the fall at an agricultural exhibition I saw pigs from our pig complex, which grow up to 100 kg in three months.

          You would also be interested in what kind of anabolics these poor pigs are fed.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 11 December 2013 09: 27
            10
            Quote: Prometey
            You would also be interested in what kind of anabolics these poor pigs are fed.


            The peasants, they immediately die. Checked.
            1. Breed for growing in pig farms
            2. Feeding only compound feed with antibiotics, stimulants, etc. crap
            1. Prometey
              Prometey 11 December 2013 09: 35
              +3
              Quote: Vadivak
              1. Breed for growing in pig farms
              2. Feeding only compound feed with antibiotics, stimulants, etc. crap

              So it is, unfortunately.
        2. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 11 December 2013 09: 06
          +3
          possibly in check

          but why bother so much?
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 December 2013 12: 24
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          pigs from our pig farm, which grow up to 100 kg in three months.

          The taste of these pigs is not ayda, and you will bite fat x.ren. Do we need it?
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 11 December 2013 13: 05
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The taste of these pigs is not ayda, and fat bite

            But on the other hand, pig farmers have no choice - they will not feed them with antibiotics - pigs will die, and this is a loss. The same goes for chickens. You don’t know what to choose from two evils.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 11 December 2013 14: 16
              +4
              Quote: Prometey
              will not be fed antibiotics - pigs will die, and this is a loss. The same goes for chickens.

              This is called-come. Faced this problem, growing broilers in the country. They die without antibiotics, scum. But the Pandora’s box was opened by big uncles in pursuit of profit, but we are raking the consequences. So this is another bell to fans of the scientific approach and GMOs in agriculture.
              1. Prometey
                Prometey 11 December 2013 18: 46
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                This is called-come. Faced this problem, growing broilers in the country.

                Broilers are a precocious chicken that requires enhanced nutrition, unlike regular laying hens. They themselves are more susceptible to disease, because they are stuffed with all kinds of crap.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 11 December 2013 19: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Prometey
                  because they’re stuffing them with all kinds of crap.

                  And we are the end users of this delicious steroid and antibiotic treat. And then we are surprised that these antibiotics do not save us from banal tonsillitis, and the vessels are clogged with plaques? Viruses, like rats, develop immunity to drugs, and mutate. They create new drugs, they mutate again. Pandora's Box.
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 December 2013 19: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Prometey
                  Broilers - precocious chicken

                  the slaughter age of the bird is 28 days, he bought broiler chickens, there is nothing to eat on normal feeds by 30 days, but on an enhanced diet (not steroids) they swim with fat so that you can’t eat.
                  you can’t deceive nature
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 11 December 2013 09: 05
      +6
      Quote: domokl
      CX cannot compete in meat.

      It cannot be done in all segments, but in poultry farming and pig breeding it is easy, which was proved in the post-Soviet era. We practically provide ourselves with chicken, pork to a large extent. These industries depend mainly on feed grain, with which everything is in order with us. But with cattle the problem is really related, first of all, to the feed, because we need either a long pasture maintenance, or the ability to clean forage plants several times a year, which we can not afford in our climate.
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 11 December 2013 17: 03
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        It cannot be done in all segments, but in poultry farming and pig breeding it is easy, which was proved in the post-Soviet era.


        You are right, in many areas we are moving up very quickly, and imports are steadily declining. In principle, it does not seem impossible for the Russian Federation to fully provide itself with beef or pork, now we are slowly moving away from dairy to meat breeds, which will increase production per one livestock head.

        You can read more about the situation with CX and food security here.
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44281/ - "О Растениеводстве"
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44320/ - "О Животноводстве"
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44485/ - "О продовольственной безопасности"
  • a52333
    a52333 11 December 2013 07: 57
    14
    Well, I wouldn’t pretend on my own judgment:
    We are seriously engaged in agricultural farming in the Belgorod region, in recent years serious money has been invested in poultry farming, a couple of years ago large agricultural holdings (Miratorg in the first place) invested in pork production. In the figure:
    In 2011, the regional agro-industrial complex produced 702,8 thousand tons of poultry meat, 433,8 thousand tons of pork. The production of poultry meat in the region in the 2011 year exceeded the 1990 level of the year by 15 times, pork in live weight by 3,2 times.

    The land is ALL in "work", not a hundred square meters abandoned. Now the same thing (with a slight delay I see in the Kursk region. Maybe not everything is so sad?
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 December 2013 08: 11
      +3
      Well, honestly, very pleased! good
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 11 December 2013 08: 52
        +7
        Quote: mirag2
        Well, honestly, very pleased!

        Let me please you too. Government Decree No. 839 permits sowing of genetically modified grains in Russia. Effective July 1, 2014.
        Syngenta, Monsanto, KWS, Pioneer companies have the right to work in Russia. This year, Monsanto corn was examined in France, it was banned (it causes cancer).
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 11 December 2013 09: 11
          +1
          And this is very upsetting ...
        2. Basilevs
          Basilevs 11 December 2013 11: 40
          +3
          I’ll insert an artistic bast on the line:
          "... In 2013, in accordance with the WTO requirements, we canceled GMO labeling and lifted restrictions on the import and cultivation of GMOs. Since then, GM products have poured into the Russian market en masse, and now control over the country's food supply is rapidly leaking ... Russia automatically falls under the jurisdiction of the WTO Court and the WTO agreements. For non-compliance with the decisions of the WTO Court, huge fines are imposed against the country. Practice shows that under the pressure of these fines, those who disagree. The main positions that give the United States the opportunity of judicial pressure are the following documents:
          1. “Agreement on technical barriers to trade” of the WTO.
          According to this agreement, it does not matter how the product is produced. Production processes and methods are not considered. As a result, GMOs are recognized as equivalent to conventional products. From their "equivalence" it follows that it is impossible to "discriminate" GMO manufacturing companies. In addition, the Agreement determines that technical measures should not “restrict trade more than necessary.” What “necessary” means will be determined by the WTO Court, acting in the interests of its owners.
          2. “Agreement on sanitary and phytosanitary measures” of the WTO.
          This is the main tool with which other countries can accept GMO products before the WTO Court. It provides that the import ban must be scientifically justified, that the import permit should be issued without unnecessary delays. Restriction or refusal to import GMOs is considered as “unfair trade practice”, and labeling as discrimination.
          3. The principle of transparency of the WTO.
          Very curious little thing. It means that a WTO member country must inform other countries about the laws that it is going to adopt ... An interesting interpretation of democracy, just like ours. In other words, information about the new law can be used by other countries to file this law with the WTO Court or threaten with a lawsuit before it is adopted. That is, all laws of Russia will have to go through the “familiarization and commenting” procedure in the USA before adoption.
          4. WTO Intellectual Property Rights Agreement.
          The highlight of the program. Grants the right to GM corporations to obtain patents for GM seeds. Next, the action unfolds according to the standard scheme:
          - Purchase of companies producing traditional seeds.
          - The introduction of patents for their own products.
          - The imposition of agreements on the purchase of seeds and herbicides for them by agriculture and farming of the captured country.
          Acquisition of patents means that agriculture is forced to constantly buy seeds in accordance with the agreement and are deprived of the right to save the seeds for the next year. In addition, they must pay GMOs “royalties” for “proprietary technologies.” According to the calculations of the American “Center for Science and Environmental Policy”, GMO seeds are 25-40% more expensive than ordinary seeds due to payment for technology. Because of this, some incidents occasionally occur in the world, such as the mass suicides in India that once occurred there, as a result of which more than one hundred thousand people committed suicide, but these are trifles ...
          1. Basilevs
            Basilevs 11 December 2013 11: 45
            +1
            5. Directly the WTO Court.
            Undoubtedly the most beautiful part of the whole scheme. It very much resembles ours, but it works much more efficiently, which once again proves the need to adopt useful experience. So. Hearings in the WTO Court are closed, the neutrality of judges is guaranteed only on the basis of their own statements on neutrality. The WTO compiles lists of potential judges. Three to five judges from this list sit in a lawsuit, who are selected either by the disputing parties or by the head of the WTO. First, consultations are held between the disputing parties, then court hearings, at which the report is submitted. The report is submitted directly to the WTO Court, which makes the decisions. If the country does not dispute the decision of the WTO Court, it must comply with the decision made, that is, implement a change in its legislation or pay compensation. If the country does not comply with the WTO decision, sanctions ensue, and in different areas.
            ... everything is organized more than competently: the WTO requires that restrictions be "scientifically based". The judges of the WTO Court select experts, whose opinions they will base their opinion on. This method kills two birds with one stone: the question of the independence of judges and the question of the independence of the scientists whom these judges will attract. Everything is in the hands of the WTO, the opinion of Russian or any other researchers in the WTO Court does not mean anything. Plus, the WTO does not recognize the right of states to prohibit potentially hazardous substances and products. This principle was stated in the UN "Protocol on Biodiversity", which the United States did not even sign. The problem with UN documents is that the UN does not have a Court to enforce them. International UN conventions in the WTO Court will also have no meaning. Not to mention the fact that decisions of entire countries are made not by their deputies or the government, but by the WTO Court. That is, the opinion of these countries in the WTO Court still does not matter. Nice, nice. And it is not just beautiful, but it really works ... "- Tarmashev, Heritage - 2. Educational reading, albeit fantastic. Now I climb the net, check some things.
    2. Fox
      Fox 11 December 2013 08: 24
      +8
      Quote: a52333
      Maybe not everything is so sad?

      The Samara region is full of Tryndets ... like in Ulyanovsk. Almost ALL agriculture is destroyed. Who tries to work honestly (taxes, deductions) - only those who have scored taxes and so on, or who suck from the budget , but there kickbacks up to 50% ... the choice is small.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 11 December 2013 08: 41
        +6
        Quote: Fox
        who is trying to honestly work (taxes, deductions) - in full operation. only those who score on taxes will live

        So the state itself creates the conditions for avoiding honest business, stifling exorbitant taxes and deductions to various funds of the enterprise. It could still be understood if the average pensions were 20 thousand each. And so now only mugs pay taxes in Russia.
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 December 2013 10: 03
          +5
          Quote: Prometey
          So the state itself creates the conditions for avoiding honest business, stifling exorbitant taxes and deductions to various funds of the enterprise. It could still be understood if the average pensions were 20 thousand each. And so now only mugs pay taxes in Russia.

          The burdocks no longer pay, they all left without their last pants! laughing
      2. a52333
        a52333 11 December 2013 08: 42
        +2
        Patience, mein liber friend! And here it began not immediately after the arrival of the "democrats", but five or seven years ago. There is an acute shortage of food in the world, and we should not despair with our lands. The owner will be found. good
        1. shurup
          shurup 11 December 2013 09: 36
          +6
          Chinese wolf you liberfriend! Who will work on your lands? We'll have to bring out a genetically modified domestic digger.
    3. Sunjar
      Sunjar 11 December 2013 09: 37
      +4
      So far from everywhere. Most rural settlements, villages, villages are dying out. The fields there are overgrown, although still in my youth, and this is as soon as the USSR was destroyed, there were almost no uncultivated fields. Now, trees have already grown there, but forests are being cut down at a rapid pace. Previously, in our area there were no strong winds (their forest stopped for the most part), but now it’s not sickly blowing, and it’s almost always.
      I am amused by the statements of our "economists" that a food crisis began to appear in the USSR in the mid-80s. And what then now, when most of the agricultural land is abandoned - everything is hurt? The fact that due to the impoverishment of the villages, the rural guys (and I am one of them) run to the city, so that they can somehow live well too? Someone more or less gets a normal job, while others do not. Many cannot afford to start a family. But the main population growth was due to the villages. And it was from there that many villagers still went to live in the city, receiving the necessary education there, and in the future they built their lives as they themselves wished. The city could not sustainably bear the population growth before, but now things are even worse. But on the other hand, the state now buys food from foreigners for the people's money - it's much cheaper and more useful for the population.
      And in spite of such sad events, I cannot but rejoice that somewhere and someone is engaged in the production of their own products.
    4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 December 2013 10: 00
      +3
      Quote: a52333
      The land is ALL in "work", not a hundred square meters abandoned. Now the same thing (with a slight delay I see in the Kursk region. Maybe not everything is so sad?

      Of course, it just takes time for the economy to "swing", well, the state policy is not in the last place, the grabber would be transplanted! hi
    5. Orik
      Orik 11 December 2013 13: 22
      +1
      And for some reason people like Savchenko are not hired for promotion either in the government or in the presidential administration, and then "there are no cadres." Only they are not needed.
  • j iz sibiri
    j iz sibiri 11 December 2013 08: 07
    +3
    but Western Siberia is all poher land is idle

    even in the market meat is mostly imported
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 11 December 2013 15: 33
      0
      Quote: j iz sibiri
      but Western Siberia is all poher land is idle

      And Antarctica is idle, a mess.
  • jjj
    jjj 11 December 2013 08: 14
    14
    It is annoying that it is allowed to grow GMO plants on an industrial scale. The seeds are imported, they can sprout only once. You can get hooked on "seed addiction". How not to profuse the domestic collection of seeds. I plant my own potatoes in the village. Ate tastier
  • kaktus
    kaktus 11 December 2013 08: 21
    +2
    Well, this is if such work is in general in the interests of state officials, as well as the development, in fact, of agriculture ...

    That’s the whole point ...
  • Lk17619
    Lk17619 11 December 2013 08: 26
    +4
    I just don’t understand why Russia needs this WTO and other shobla ???? Russia is one of the largest countries in the world, it is they who must run to us in alliances, and not we. And about risky farming ... In central Russia, forage is growing pretty well, and it is excellent for feeding livestock. The southern part is on business grain and fruit. That's just all ruined it. I once drove a car recently from Kirov to Ufa, the fields are empty ... mostly weeds. And the state-university simply does not need to interfere with agricultural producers and not introduce GMO production.
  • makarov
    makarov 11 December 2013 08: 28
    +6
    Yes, there are already no such officials who, in order to show "how", could themselves grab the plow handles ... they teach only on paper, considering the people a gray, lazy, and stupid mass ... annually, for a month or so, .. for the practice of their implementation
    1. Orik
      Orik 11 December 2013 13: 25
      +1
      So here we are, the president, the prime lawyers, this is your real boy. wink They write laws and think everything will go by itself, a joke ...
  • bairat
    bairat 11 December 2013 08: 36
    +4
    But will peasant farms survive in the event that they are also required to reduce the cost of finished products?

    Probably not. In conditions when European and American farmers receive subsidies up to 50% of the cost of production, we will not be competitors to them.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 11 December 2013 08: 46
      +5
      Quote: bairat
      In conditions when European and American farmers receive subsidies

      Because they are unprofitable. Individual farming is exotic. Large agricultural complexes are now entering the scene (greetings from Soviet collective farms).
  • shitovmg
    shitovmg 11 December 2013 08: 37
    +4
    In the Kirov region, agriculture has died. Fields overgrown. 5 out of 15 households that are kept on logging and processing of wood. Article minus - we do not have more agriculture in the country, everything is imported in stores.
    1. serg. 555
      serg. 555 11 December 2013 09: 33
      +2
      In the Kirov region, the number of cattle (cows) decreased significantly. There are no cows in half of the villages. In the population structure, one third of pensioners.
    2. Sour
      Sour 11 December 2013 18: 41
      -2
      Quote: shitovmg
      everything imported in stores.

      It is not true, there are fewer and fewer imported products on the shelves. The same "bush legs" are no longer to be seen. Almost all birds are domestic. Pork is more and more domestic. And dairy products are not imported either. And the Kirov region is not an indicator. It has never been an agrarian region, before agriculture absorbed more subsidies than it gave to the country.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 11 December 2013 08: 42
    11
    As if everything is correct, but again the problem is considered in the context of the Western model of development.
    - Reduced fees, but with the certification of our products. Or maybe you need to check the import for non-edibility for our flies?
    - Their ban on state subsidizing our own producer. This, by no means, will raise production. So do-it-yourself make the agricultural producer worse?
    - GMOs on our fields (Decree. Government. Comes into force in the summer of 2014. Only fodder and limited, but knowing our "managers" you can be sure that for humans and everywhere), although they have an unequivocal ban.

    In addition to a purely economic problem, one must consider the problem nation health. Natural Russian cats and dogs do not eat sausages and sausages made according to their technology and from their raw materials. And our children drink milk in which even bacteria cannot live (shelf life of 30 days or 5 days in open form?).

    Yes in the coffin I saw this WTO with their "cheap" goods, if already now (without becoming "full member") I have to eat" G "from supermarkets.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 11 December 2013 08: 55
    +6
    Yes, the seed fund needs to be preserved and increased. Agriculture of the Russian Federation is intensively planted on "disposable seeds". Farmers are already complaining. They constantly need to remember this, to hang on a hook. In this matter, they will not be able to compete with large foreign agricultural holdings. And they press and dump, retailers press for a penny and buy imported goods. Cheaper, more presentable and keeps longer. Let's sleep through our own farming.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 11 December 2013 09: 08
    +7
    So why the hell is it asking, did the WTO give up to us? It’s like they lived and lived without any WTO and other globalist pro-American organizations, but then suddenly it really took us to join, why is it asked? We already sell raw materials to the West, which they already buy, without any WTO, but what else can we offer them? In all these globalist organizations, Russia has nothing to do, of all these WTOs, the IMF, etc., you can safely exit and nothing will happen at all.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 11 December 2013 09: 15
      +6
      Quote: Standard Oil
      In all these globalist organizations, Russia has nothing to do, of all these WTOs, the IMF, etc., you can safely exit and nothing will happen at all.

      So this is not all for the population and not even for the country. Our "ilita" seems to have personal interests there.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 11 December 2013 10: 02
        +5
        So they have already spent so much on 3,14 that they sit under a palm tree, drink coconut juice, leave this tormented country alone.
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  • Amur
    Amur 11 December 2013 09: 12
    +3
    "State Program (GP) of agricultural development
    and regulating the markets for agricultural products, raw materials and food. ”
    What are the goals of the program?
    1. Ensuring the country's food independence in the parameters set by the Doctrine of Food Security of the Russian Federation;

    What are government officials thinking about?
    After allowing the cultivation of GMF, no food independence can be discussed.
    Transgens that enter the human body cause infertility and mutations.

    These are the consequences of joining the WTO!
    Only our Dima does not know anything, he is only interested in new toys ...
  • shurup
    shurup 11 December 2013 09: 29
    +3
    If Medvedev with a smart face will write and sign programs, and other agricultural officials for ten years to bring a regulatory framework under it, then the allocated funds will be just enough for that. To the joy of the WTO and other world capitalism.
    If the Russians continue to stupidly gobble up oil, gas and other polymers, then this is what the Western doctor prescribed.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 11 December 2013 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: Amur
      Only our Dima does not know anything, he is only interested in new toys ...

      Quote: shurup
      If Medvedev with a smart face will write and sign programs
      Again Dima Medvedev is to blame, and Vova Putin, who signed the protocol on Russia's accession to the WTO and violated a number of articles of the Constitution and Federal laws, has nothing to do with it again laughing
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 11 December 2013 14: 26
        +2
        ---------------------------------
      2. Amur
        Amur 11 December 2013 16: 06
        +2
        Again Dima Medvedev is to blame ...
        GMO was a government decree, signed by Dima ...
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 11 December 2013 18: 50
          +1
          Quote: Amur
          GMO was a government decree, signed by Dima ...
      3. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 11 December 2013 19: 55
        +2
        The fact that Russia got the WTO is "merit" of both of them.
        I remember very well how in 2007,08, and then they all went to the ears, how cool the country would heal by joining the WTO.
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  • Normman
    Normman 11 December 2013 09: 40
    +6
    To live with wolves - howl like a wolf! Since we have entered the WTO, it is necessary to form a strong agricultural lobby with clear and clear objectives. Beat the enemy with his own weapon. Tighten and / or complicate phytosanitary control at the border, adopt regulations against GMOs, pesticides and certain chemical elements (which are used by our partners from the West) to increase the shelf life of agricultural products, an active PR campaign in the media about the dubious benefits of imported products, sponsoring public organizations advocating the priority of domestic agricultural products and forming various ratings, such as "the healthiest pot", "the most tasteless apples", etc. Plus the rehabilitation of Onishchenko and his solemn return on a white horse! Didn't the west like it? Let's come to an agreement - we will be happy to meet you halfway if! .. And further on points.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 11 December 2013 09: 47
    -5
    The WTO needs, I always knew this, there are more pluses who are not satisfied with that just a greedy coder who does not want to invest in production, but if he invests then his children will successfully work in this direction.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 11 December 2013 10: 12
    +7
    When it comes to agriculture, I always say - LEARN FROM LUKASHENKO !!!!
    After all, even under the USSR, Belarus was famous mainly for potatoes and flax. And now? What is they harvesting three crops a year that they can feed so much cattle and produce canned goods and high quality sausages?
    They counted, took a closer look, studied and created their own integrated agricultural farms! And thank God they live and sell their products very successfully.
    When it comes to GMO seeds, your heart just bleeds. During the blockade of Leningrad, the employees of the experimental station SAVED the seed stock of elite wheat! Themselves barely moved their legs, dying, but they did not touch the elite wheat! They knew and believed that after the war, these seeds would come in handy!
    And more about GMO products - until the end, their effect on humans has not yet been fully explored. Although doctors in the US are already starting to associate their consumption with an increase in obesity in the population and an increase in cardiovascular disease.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 December 2013 10: 50
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      When it comes to agriculture, I always say - LEARN FROM LUKASHENKO !!!!

      That's for sure. I watched a report on the Internet about Belarusian agro-towns. Great idea. We would do that, we would provide ourselves with everything.
      1. Sour
        Sour 11 December 2013 19: 11
        -2
        Quote: baltika-18
        I watched a report on the Internet about Belarusian agricultural towns.

        Do not forget that all these agro-towns are made with the money of Russian taxpayers. Let Belarus learn to live at its own expense, and then brags about its agro-towns. Without foreign financial assistance (first of all, Russian), the entire Belarusian economy, including agricultural towns, would have come for a long time.
    2. Orik
      Orik 11 December 2013 13: 30
      +2
      I rested in the sanatorium of Belarus, walked, I even looked in the forest (!) Plots were plowed. I asked the masseuse, she said that the Old Man gives a plan for the number of hectares of the farm and asks hard for not fulfilling it, so the chairmen open all that is for sowing, she even refused to keep the cow because Hay has nowhere to mow all plowed.
    3. Sour
      Sour 11 December 2013 18: 51
      -2
      The Belarusian economy rests on three pillars: 1) Russian loans (for which they constantly give a reprieve, this is actually financial replenishment, not loans). 2) The Russian open market (nobody else needs Belarusian products). 3) Russian raw materials at preferential prices.
      In fact, the Belarusian economy exists as long as the Kremlin does not object. Belarus is simply a parasite on the Russian economy. And when Luka is given as an example to someone, it's not even funny. It is impossible to put a sucked parasite as an example of the one at whose expense it lives. Tomorrow Putin will get up on the wrong foot, and "Batka" and his family enterprise called Belarus will immediately go nuts. I'll see what the "Batkofiles" will say then. Most likely, they will be modestly silent. There will be nothing to say.
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 December 2013 10: 19
    +3
    And why not build up state points in every regional center for accepting agricultural products at a price acceptable for peasant enterprises, where its quality and volume will be monitored, because it’s still dating from the agricultural sector, so why not pour money this way ?! True, so many useless people will be kicked out of work, but it's not scary, let them go and work! hi
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 11 December 2013 18: 47
      0
      Support.
      In power structures, from regional to federal, a lot of parasites have populated, who, like parasites, suck out money from the country, making it appear to be an ebullient activity.
      Example: Ministry of Agriculture of the Omsk Region the existing structure is not clear for what, with indistinct tasks. And this is despite the fact that in our country for more than 20 years, a market economy with private capital and all agricultural producers are either private commercial enterprises or private farms.
  • Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 11 December 2013 10: 32
    +7
    that I don’t believe our reforms in agriculture, for me, so copy the Belarusian experience for tracing
  • 787nkx
    787nkx 11 December 2013 10: 45
    +2
    I think that large agricultural holdings will not be able to fully solve the problem.
    Their goal is to build an optimal business process, minimum costs - maximum revenue, rural development and support for the rural population are of little concern to them. It is confirmed by the growth dynamics of grain production - the most profitable option from a business point of view -
    arrived in the spring, plowed, sowed, put up protection, arrived in the autumn, cleaned, thrashed away.
    True technology is modern, seeds, fertilizers are appropriate.
    And people in the countryside are not destiny, participation of local people in such production is minimal.
    In other areas of agricultural production, large companies have the same approach.
    It turns out that sowing our land with trillions of rubles and building new modern industries,perhaps we will get the required amount of products, but
    where will the profits come from these trillions?
    What is the participation of the local population in this production?
    Without detracting from the importance of big business and any other forms of investing in agriculture, I think they will not be able to cope with the task of rural development. They cannot involve the entire rural population in their activities.
    In my opinion, a way out should be sought in the historical traditions of our people.
    Historically, almost all of our people are farmers, and working on the land is in our blood.
    In addition to the main job, every villager has the opportunity to feed himself and several other families from his farmyard.
    Simple arithmetic:
    village, 100 yards feed at least 300 urban families
    district, 10 households feed 000th city.
    This is where the potential for rural development and the instant increase in agricultural production, is just by the necessary amount for full self-sufficiency.
    Today, a villager does not do this, for various reasons.
    Maybe the state out of many trillions allocated to the state program will give a little to the organization of involving a simple peasant in agricultural production.
  • Fin
    Fin 11 December 2013 10: 45
    +2
    Somehow everyone missed the amount of money allocated and already "invested in agricultural" money, Skrynnik nervously smokes on the sidelines:
    For these purposes and to solve such ambitious tasks, the government allocates more than 2,1 trillion. rubles, of which, you need to pay special attention to this, almost 190 billion have already been spent. The main direction of spending is indicated creating a regulatory framework and fitting Russian technical regulations to WTO technical regulations.

    For 190 billion pieces of paper to write ....? Wow, what a difficult task they solved !! For such money, a plan for the development of each district should be drawn up and communicated to the executors to an individual farmer, inclusive, with a funding schedule. As I suspect, ministers of agricultural entities are aware of this program by force and no more.
    No words, I want to shoot the involved.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 11 December 2013 18: 28
      0
      If they would give this money to farmers to buy equipment and equip farms, at a low percentage, then in five years, people in Russia would forget what such discussions are like. bully
  • b-130
    b-130 11 December 2013 11: 49
    +4
    The last 5-10 years are convincing more and more - you need to maximally close yourself from ANY economic (and other) ideas from the west, only then we will develop !!!
  • coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 11 December 2013 12: 18
    0
    Somehow everything is not so. I have a sea with fish on the right, a field with wheat, corn, sunflower, sugar beets, orchards and vineyards. Bread in the store is 21 rubles, my wife has a friend in Magadan, they have 22 rubles. .The milk of the local dairy plant is 31r and imported (about 100 km) is 29r. The chicken eggs of the local poultry farm used to sell themselves, now through intermediaries, we cannot do it ourselves. How so? We are fighting drunkenness and feed the bird and animals with yeast feed, they are as plump as drunks from Budun , but the gain is good. Damn the thought involuntarily creeps in somewhere "ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE" yes
  • runway
    runway 11 December 2013 12: 48
    +2
    So, after reading this note by Volodin, I got the impression that the WTO is to blame for all the troubles of our agriculture.
    But this is not at all true.
    According to the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, from 2008 to 2011, the total area of ​​agricultural land in Russia decreased by 9,8 million hectares.
    According to the Ministry of Regional Development of the Russian Federation, from 1990 to 2011, 23 thousand settlements disappeared in the country, 20 thousand of this number are villages and towns.
    As can be seen from this official statistics, our leaders, long before the country's accession to the WTO, destroyed the food security of the state.
    Now any "projects" to allocate (scanty funds) to agriculture is like a dead poultice ...
    Russia is the only state that dies in peacetime ....
  • Begemot
    Begemot 11 December 2013 13: 08
    +4
    I was looking for a year or two ago scales for weighing agricultural animals. Found! But I bought the same ones, only for trading, but they differed from s \ x only in the presence of a pen installed on top of the platform and at a price 3,5 times. I ask the seller: is this grid of bars worth 25000 rubles, because the same scales without it cost several times less? The answer is ingenious: agricultural equipment dates from the state !! You will be reimbursed for the costs! Here is such state support for agriculture. To tell you the truth, those who are interested in this topic know that the technique for cx is prohibitively expensive, and to get compensation - you take your legs to the knees. So it would be better if the state did not intervene at all and climb into cx.
  • officer29
    officer29 11 December 2013 13: 12
    +2
    Another cut of the allocated budget! Isn’t it easier for Russia to follow the already proven path - the Stolypin agrarian reform, which was carried out a hundred years ago. All Soviet times, the numbers of agricultural production were compared with 1913 !!! hi good Only Altai Krai, in those days, due to the export of dairy products, gave the country more gold than all the gold mines in Russia! Is it really impossible to take that program as a basis, taking into account modern realities, and put it into practice. The main thing is not to interfere with the peasant's work! Give him long-term loans at a minimum percentage, withdraw, for a certain period, taxes and in five years there will be RESULT! The same NEP in the 20s raised the agricultural producer to the pre-revolutionary level! I know about the NEP period from the stories of my grandfather, who told me that by 1928 there was an iron-covered house in their family, mechanisms appeared - a seeder, thresher, winder and more, and (even) a gramophone! True, during the period of global collectivization, all of this was taken away from them, and the whole family was sent under Vorkuta to explore the North ... PS The Village Council is still in the house of his great-grandfather.
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 11 December 2013 13: 26
    +8
    But is it actually our agriculture?
    Individual farms beating in dying convulsions? Probably one Kuban remained.
    The entire middle strip is overgrown with shrubs. There are only old women in the villages. You cannot watch without tears. Everything has perished.
    But what do you tell - you yourself know.
    With such forces, we are going to compete with Europe ??
    We can’t even compete with Belarusians. And the WTO will simply vppocht us into the earth and will not notice ...
    Money for show-offs in the person of the Olympics was spent not measuredly. This money - yes to pour in the agro-industrial sector.
    But no ... Our Wise of the Wise climbed out of their skin with an Olympic project ... For them, the Games are certainly more important than dying agriculture and abandoned villages. Prestige and all that ... It’s time to stop, but now I’ll write this ..! This topic always makes me nervous.
    1. dengy12
      dengy12 11 December 2013 18: 47
      +2
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Money for show-offs in the person of the Olympics was spent not measuredly. This money - yes to pour in the agro-industrial sector.
      But no ... Our Wise of the Wise climbed out of their skin with an Olympic project ... For them, the Games are certainly more important than dying agriculture and abandoned villages. Prestige and all that ... It’s time to stop, but now I’ll write this ..! This topic always makes me nervous.

      reminds a joke
      catch up and overtake America!
      You can catch up, but do not overtake!
      why?
      what would the naked ass was not visible!
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 11 December 2013 19: 43
        +2
        Quote: dengy12
        Money for show-offs in the person of the Olympics was spent not measuredly

        It's just that the world community, sensing the shitty situation in the world economy, decided to solemnly shake off this smut to the "big-eared framers" in the face of our country's leaders.
        And ours are happy to try. fool
        1. Samsebenaum
          Samsebenaum 11 December 2013 20: 11
          0
          wanderer_032
          I agree. From me "+".
  • felix
    felix 11 December 2013 13: 40
    +4
    And so taxes in Russia are now paid only by mugs. [/ Quote]
    Since when did honest payers become burdocks? Payment of taxes is the key to a stable economy and the welfare of the state and people. it is already necessary to stop sawing.
  • felix
    felix 11 December 2013 13: 53
    +2
    190MILLION ONLY FOR DOCUMENTATION ... ONLY ONE SLEDGES, AND WHERE IS A SPECIFIC PLAN OF ACTION. YES, THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC "PLAN"
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 11 December 2013 14: 24
    +2
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    1. Sea snake
      Sea snake 11 December 2013 17: 32
      +2
      Yeah.(((
      Complement ...
      Who wants to understand WHAT is happening now and understand in more detail HOW this can end, I advise you to read the book --- "Why Russia is not America" Parshev A.P. 1999
      You can download it anywhere.
      And if you are too lazy to read all, then here --- http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%EE%F7%E5%EC%F3_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%FF_%ED%E5_%C0%EC
      % E5% F0% E8% EA% E0
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 11 December 2013 18: 16
        +2
        Quote: Sea Snake
        I advise you to read the book --- "Why Russia is not America" ​​Parshev AP 1999

        I read in 2010. Correctly stated. You Sea Snake are right.
  • makeev.dmitry
    makeev.dmitry 11 December 2013 14: 37
    0
    The process of globalization is objective and no one can fence off the WTO with an iron curtain. But within the WTO framework, our agriculture must be competitive. That is, our producers should be at least on an equal footing with foreign ones. BUT our economy, including agriculture, is crushed by the "Harvard project". What to do? Reduce the refinancing rate below 1%, prohibit by law the growth of tariffs above a certain level, and accelerate the development of rural infrastructure at state expense.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 11 December 2013 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: makeev.dmitry
      to develop the infrastructure of the village.

      Have you been in the countryside for a long time, dear?
      In many villages, the infrastructure is not developed, but it is necessary to restore it again.
      The 90s drove through our villages in such a skating rink, which Russia had not seen since the days of the Second World War.
      Lower refinancing rates will make little difference.
      We need normal, human rates on basic loans.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 11 December 2013 16: 07
    +1
    <<< In the passport of the state program under consideration, the expected results of its implementation are separately highlighted ..... by 2020 up to the following indicators:
    Provision with grain - 99,8%; sugar - 91,2%; vegetable oil - 82,8%; meat and meat products - 88,9%;
    milk and dairy products - 85,3%; potatoes - 99,7%. >>>
    It seems that our libesral WTO officials act on the principle of W. Churchill, who said (this saying was popular not so long ago) that a politician should be able to predict what will happen tomorrow, in a week, in a month, a year, and then explain why this did not happen ! Putting on the WTO collar on Russia, they put the public on their ears with the state program for the development of agriculture with pleasing figures of the expected results of its implementation, while they are well aware that these are unattainable dreams, because in reality all their "activities" lead to DESTRUCTION OF RUSSIA'S agriculture! And when it becomes obvious, and it is INEVITABLE, they will easily explain it .....!
  • serg_russ
    serg_russ 11 December 2013 17: 46
    +1
    Something I compare all these "plans" (at about Russia) and BUSINESS (at about Belarus) and vague suspicions arise ...
    It seems that there are no black earth deposits in Belarus, and "kaas" do not run around the fields?
    However, all the fields to the roads and right next to the settlements are processed ...
    Maybe here the dog also rummaged, a distinct goal and demand from specific individuals?
    1. Sour
      Sour 11 December 2013 19: 17
      -3
      Quote: serg_russ
      It seems that in Belarus and deposits of black soil is not observed

      But there is a powerful financial pumping from over the hill, including from Russia, which constantly gives loans to Belarus and constantly gives a grace period for them. Belarus is spoon-fed by Russia, without Russia it would have long lived by exporting labor force (like Moldova), and it's enough to set “Father” as an example for the Russian leadership. He is only alive thanks to the Kremlin. Tomorrow Putin will take and change his mind about granting deferrals for loans, and oil will be supplied at normal prices, and I will look at "the strong business executive Lukashenko." It will be very interesting to look at him.
      1. Sour
        Sour 11 December 2013 20: 01
        -2
        Once again for the "batkofilov". Your minuses only convince me that you are right, because you have nothing to argue with, you can only quietly squeak your teeth and release gases from anger.
        Your Luka is a ghoul who stuck to Russia. He lived, lives and will live at the expense of the Russian taxpayer, at the expense of Russian workers, state employees and pensioners. And it's enough to set him up as an example, moreover, to set him up as an example for those at whose expense he lives. After all, no one cites roundworm as an example to a person to whom she stuck. All Lukashka's talents boil down to the ability to masterfully beg for loans. If anything, in Belarus, the debt per capita is much higher than even the Ukrainian one, but I have not heard something extolling the successes of the Ukrainian economy. But the cunning Luka is praised by everyone, solely for his cunning. He is already in debt to everyone - Russia, China, and the Washington IBRD. The debts are such that Belarus will never give them back. He turned his country into a hanger and a freeloader. But "daddy" does not care, he would have lived his life, and there the grass will not grow. And it is true. And you have nothing to cover, gentlemen "Batkofiles".
        1. Samsebenaum
          Samsebenaum 11 December 2013 20: 30
          +2
          Sour
          Quote: Sour
          But "daddy" does not care, he should live his life, and there the grass will not grow. And it is true.

          The answer is true love.
          Dear, how long have you been in Belarus? We wrote a lot, but somehow everything went by ...
          Do not spit, go for a week on a tour of Belaya Rus, see how and what, talk with the residents. Talk for life, for order, for work ...
          Then find the courage to admit your comment is wrong.
          I put you a fat minus in the open and without gritting my teeth ... Just a minus.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 11 December 2013 20: 52
            +1
            Quote: Samsebenum
            Then find the courage to admit your comment is wrong.
            I put you a fat minus in the open and without gritting my teeth ... Just a minus.

            Do not recognize. The ideological bat. The Old Man offended him to see somewhere, didn’t allow him to steal something.
  • Sea snake
    Sea snake 11 December 2013 18: 00
    +5
    Quote: makeev.dmitry
    The process of globalization is objective and no one can fence off the WTO with an iron curtain.

    Do not grind rubbish, do not openly program the Muscovite and impose Anglo-Saxon ideas alien to us. Alien to Russia and its people.
    Quote: makeev.dmitry
    But within the framework of the WTO, our agriculture must be competitive.

    CANNOT it be competitive ... Russia is a country of risky farming ... cold i.e. We do not harvest three times a year. What is our production, what is agricultural, what is construction, etc., etc., etc., require MUCH large energy costs.
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 11 December 2013 18: 09
    +7
    1. Joining the WTO (anti-Soviet joke of the 80s): having received a party card, a man happily informs his wife - I joined the Party! The wife, without getting the hang of the topic, begins to "nag" as usual: yesterday I entered the shit, barely blurred it, today the party ...
    2. A year ago, in 1997, I read an article in a newspaper about some paid goat, in which he explained all the troubles in the Russian economy with the cheapness of gasoline. They say a liter of gasoline will become a dollar and everything will be in chocolate.
    3. I eat my own potatoes. I select the seeds immediately when digging. I have kept the variety since 1994. Since that time, I bought no more than 5-6 buckets at the bazaar when the "food" potatoes ran out.
    Conclusion: the scam of the Russian government with the entry into the WTO is a rake, and the "lower classes" participate in the race, and the "upper classes", sitting comfortably in the seats of the audience, get high.
  • felix
    felix 11 December 2013 18: 17
    +4
    By 2020, to the following indicators:
    Provision with grain - 99,8%; sugar - 91,2%; vegetable oil - 82,8%; meat and meat products - 88,9%;
    milk and dairy products - 85,3%; potatoes - 99,7%.
    PAPER WILL HOLD.
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 11 December 2013 18: 17
    +4
    It seems that the country's leadership is in a state of drug intoxication and hallucinogenic delirium, once it publishes such programs, it itself makes the work of farms unprofitable, putting farmers on the brink of survival.
    The main problem of today is not even the WTO (this figovina will not even have time to get to the complete ruin of our agricultural sector), but the increase in land taxes, unfavorable conditions for the purchase of agricultural equipment on credit or leasing (I wanted to buy a small tractor for myself , and after looking at the prices and calculating how much money I will have to pay (almost double the cost), abandoned this undertaking), add the taxes of local municipalities, the cost of production and look at the purchase prices for it.
    Anyone will be discouraged from farming forever.
    This crazy policy sooner or later will come out sideways to our country if this goes on.
    In order to establish normal work in the agricultural sector, everything needs to be done quite the opposite, but our government apparently does not need this.
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  • pahom54
    pahom54 11 December 2013 18: 33
    +5
    This whole program is nonsense, the set figures are sucked out of your finger ... How will this and what kind of hook provide the population with 90% of its meat? If only the carcasses of officials-embezzlers, there are just more of them than the total number of livestock throughout Russia ... This is necessary!
    And why is YOUR vegetable oil only 91% and not 100%? What, in the southern regions sunflower and corn stopped growing? And for the same reason - why can’t you provide 100% with YOUR sugar ???
    How the children play, really do not think about anything, soar in the clouds ... Ugh!
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 11 December 2013 19: 11
      +1
      If only carcasses of officials-embezzlers

      Fuuu, they are tasteless, they must first be planted on the pasture. laughing
  • dengy12
    dengy12 11 December 2013 18: 38
    +4
    Quote: Фкенщь13
    I talked with agronomists, seed growers, veterinarians and other professionals, and so they do not have a clear understanding that GMO is bad. For that there are suspicions that this industry is deliberately hampered by us, so that we would remain on the margins of agriculture. I myself am "not to the teeth" in genetics and therefore I am inclined to trust professionals, especially since these are not Internet whistleblowers, but my personal acquaintances.

    plants grown from second-generation GMO seeds do not produce germinating seeds. those. generally. google on this topic there is a lot of information. and scientific research, and the rats that fed GMOs after several generations become sterile. and there is no guarantee that the same thing will not happen to people.
  • Aboriginal53
    Aboriginal53 11 December 2013 18: 46
    +4
    Kirdyk village from the WTO. Now in many fields in the Vologda Oblast mushrooms are harvested, because in the fields, trees grow 2-2,5 meters tall. But soon, apparently, we will gather mushrooms instead of rye, oats and clover in all fields of non-black soil.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 12 December 2013 21: 17
      +1
      Kirdyk came to the village much earlier, back in the 90s, the WTO has nothing to do with it. In our Moscow region, the same thing. They sold out the whole land, and now it is either overgrown with forest and cow parsnip, or built up with cottages. But there is a positive: the remaining land was leased and grown potatoes, carrots, cabbage. There is a dairy farm for 200 animals, its own dairy plant. But most Tajiks and Uzbeks work. As the director put it, I don’t need local tries ... So much for the WTO.
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  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 11 December 2013 18: 54
    +1
    Judging by our region, the rural household in our country (in my area, one hundred percent) died simultaneously with the USSR.
  • Sergg
    Sergg 11 December 2013 19: 11
    +3
    Proponents of GMOs claim that the so-called GM inserts are completely destroyed in the human gastrointestinal tract. According to opponents, plasmids and GM inserts can enter the bacteria of the gastrointestinal tract, blood cells, sex and other human cells, mutating them.

    Personally, I am for the food security of Russia. Therefore, I am an opponent of GMO seeds. In Russia, plant breeding is well developed, under which a good scientific base has been laid. It is necessary to reduce the price of diz. fuel, electricity, to invest further money in the development of new varieties of agricultural plants without any GMO technology there, the support is needed for agricultural producers, and not scams with the WTO and GMO.

    In general, the problem is that it is not yet clear how the use of products containing GMOs will affect human health, the gene pool of the nation, therefore, until the problem is resolved, it is necessary to introduce special labels warning about the presence of GMOs. Consumers have the right to reliable information - this is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. SEE ARTICLE 42 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 11 December 2013 20: 03
    +4
    Sergg
    Quote: Sergg
    In general, the problem is that it is not yet clear how the use of products containing GMOs will affect human health, the nation’s gene pool,

    Dear colleague, just like you, the topic of the health of the nation does not bother me.
    According to GMOs. I take the liberty of unequivocally declaring that any influence, interference or other intrusion into the human gene (although more correctly the genome, the set of genes) does not pass without a trace. This is a very thin and extremely sensitive system and nothing passes without a trace.
    Do not believe in safety tales. There is no evidence for that.
    I bring the most famous experience on rats.
    After the transfer of the group of animals to food containing GMOs, in the second generation only about 60% of the rats gave birth to offspring.
    The third generation - turned out to be 100% fruitless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Well, what, shout about it or be silent ??
    Now each of us already has a modified genome. We will not feel it, but our children, and even more our grandchildren and great-grandchildren, may be sterile.
    These are, by definition, genetic weapons of mass destruction.
  • Narrator.tales
    Narrator.tales 11 December 2013 20: 34
    0
    To begin with, genetically modified foods, but at least pigs, what do they have to do with humans? Indeed, it’s not a person who modifies it, it’s the same as saying so I’ll eat the human genes and modify myself, yeah I’ll eat the enemy’s heart and it will add courage to me. whether huge pesticidal vegetables are healthier or better fed pigs like some hormones or monosodium glutamate. here is copy-paste in order to reason

    "Genetically modified organisms are very dangerous. If a genetically modified tomato is pushed into the windpipe, it will most likely die in a few minutes. In addition, the juice of this tomato, injected intravenously, caused a severe allergenic reaction in experimental rats, associated with septis and constant painful death. unfortunate animals.
    In addition, we must not forget about cases of deaths in the warehouse of genetically modified squash, which fell on a shelf with boxes of these same squash. A similar case that occurred in a warehouse with natural products packaged in smaller boxes resulted in only a minor concussion and minor fractures of the injured limbs.
    And it has been experimentally proven that laboratory mice, which for six months were fed exclusively with genetically modified grapes, at the end of the experiment, could not see not only genetically modified grapes, but any other in general. "
  • projdoha
    projdoha 11 December 2013 21: 05
    0
    so why are genomodifiers dangerous? the fact that the consequences will be visible only after a few generations. In the West, they have no idea what DNA is, the whole analysis comes down to the replication and synthesis of proteins, since their worldview is consumerist, then they consider modifications from the point of view of consumption. DNA has been "modified" for millions of years for trouble-free operation, is it possible that a Western bourgeois with his dull head can guarantee the safety of his "Frankenstein"? Those who naively think that nature (God) is more stupid than a scientist are slaves of the Western worldview.
  • understudy
    understudy 11 December 2013 21: 25
    0
    To understand what the introduction of GMOs threatens all of us, I recommend studying the science fiction novel by S. Tormashev "Heritage". Yes! FANTASTIC! But the first part presents purely real documents and egregious facts on this planetary sabotage, indicating Western firms and actors.

    How can one argue about the harmlessness of GMOs when tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, grapes ... are more similar to plastic products, and not to foods known from childhood with shelf life that can only be preserved.
  • voliador
    voliador 11 December 2013 21: 40
    0
    We took upon ourselves such flawed obligations for agricultural obligations, and now we woke up.
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  • Agent 008
    Agent 008 11 December 2013 22: 49
    0
    When the word "collective farmer" sounds not like an insult, but like a compliment, then agriculture will be in perfect order ...
  • Reyngard
    Reyngard 11 December 2013 23: 03
    +4
    I think this: Kolkhoznikov, in common parlance, just threw ... Agriculture is now led by people very far from agriculture. Moscow officials simply compose reports. To tell the truth, we need a man brought up in the traditions of late communism, when the Bolsheviks realized that their agriculture is better than a foreign army