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Ukraine promotes precision weapons on the world market

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Ukraine promotes precision weapons on the world marketThe state-owned concern Ukroboronprom presented modern high-precision weapons at the international defense exhibition BRIDEX 2013, which was held on 2 – 6 in December in the city of Bandar Seri Begawan (Brunei Darussalam).


The visitors of the Ukrainian stand - potential partners of Ukraine in the Asian region - presented the developments of the state concern GKKB “Luch” (Kiev), meeting the NATO standards, the Falarick 90, Falarick 105, Stugna, and the Kombat 120-mm ATGM. "Precision weapon It occupies a special segment of the global arms market: only a few states in the world are capable of independently producing it. Ukraine is the only country that produces six-caliber guided missiles - 90, 100, 105, 115, 120 and 125 millimeters. In other countries, such ammunition is produced in one or two calibers, ”said the head of Ukroboronprom. The state-owned concern’s precision-guided weapons of destruction can also be used for armored vehicles known on the world market tanks T-55, T-62 T-72, T-80UD, T-84, the upgraded T-64 (Bulat) and BM Oplot. Also on the market are Ukrainian well-known ATGMs “Skif”, “Barrier”, “Barrier-V”.
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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 10 December 2013 12: 07
    10
    Quote-Ukroboronprom State Concern presented modern high-precision weapons at the international defense exhibition BRIDEX 2013, which was held on December 2 – 6 in the city of Bandar Seri Begawan (State of Brunei Darussalam).


    UKRAINE INTENDS TO SHOW BTR-4MV BRONETRANSPORTERS AT EXHIBITION IN BAKU good

    Ukraine is going to introduce BTR-4MV armored personnel carriers to Azerbaijan. APA reports citing military sources that Ukroboronprom intends to demonstrate BTR-4MV armored personnel carriers to Azerbaijani military structures at the ADEX-2014 international defense exhibition in Baku. In this regard, the Ukrainian side turned to the organizing committee of the exhibition in Azerbaijan.

    "BTR-4MV" is a modification created for the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. For the first time, these armored personnel carriers were demonstrated at the IDEX-2013 international defense exhibition, which was held in February in the capital of the UAE, the city of Abu Dhabi. The design of these machines has undergone some changes compared to the basic version. BTR-4MV received a new bow design and also lost side doors. The driver and commander of the car have separate hatches for entering and exiting, a ramp (rear door) is installed in the rear. The armor protection of the machine corresponds to the level of "STANAG 4569 Level 3".

    The BTR-4MV is equipped with the BM-7 Parus combat module, on which the 30-mm KBA-1 cannon, the 30-mm automatic grenade launcher, the 7,62 mm-caliber machine gun and the Barrier anti-tank missile system are mounted.
    http://vesti.az/news/184020


    Surely they will sell us. good
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 10 December 2013 12: 19
      17
      Quote: Apollon
      Surely they will sell us.

      I rejoice differently, the first positive news about Ukraine in the last 10 days fellow If you ask "Ukraine" in a search engine, "Maidan" immediately jumps out of a snuffbox like the devil laughing
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 10 December 2013 12: 28
        +8
        Quote: Tersky
        If you ask "Ukraine" in a search engine, "Maidan" immediately jumps out of a snuffbox like the devil


        It’s for sure, by the way, how our languages ​​are intertwined, the word Maidan (Turkic word) is a square.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 10 December 2013 12: 33
          +4
          "Ukraine is the only country that produces six-caliber barreled guided missiles - 90, 100, 105, 115, 120 and 125 millimeters. In other countries, such ammunition is produced in one or two calibers," the head of Ukroboronprom said.
          Well, what's the catch? Why so many calibers?
          1. Akim
            Akim 10 December 2013 12: 39
            +4
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Why so many calibers?

            For different guns. With such a missile, any French-type armored car becomes a very dangerous enemy for the tank.
          2. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 10 December 2013 12: 46
            +3
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Well, what's the catch? Why so many calibers?

            Maybe due to the fact that different countries are armed with armored vehicles with different caliber guns.
            NATO 90,105,120.
            Soviet 100,115,125.
            1. Dezzed
              Dezzed 10 December 2013 15: 07
              0
              And Ukrainians buy all these calibers?
              1. Akim
                Akim 10 December 2013 15: 15
                +3
                Quote: DezzeD
                Ukrainians buy all these calibers?

                Except 115 mm. But they used to buy it in Africa.
        2. vkrav
          vkrav 10 December 2013 12: 33
          -1
          Quote: Apollon
          , the word Maidan (Turkic word)

          Duc, in the "nightingale move" half of the words are Turkic ...
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 10 December 2013 15: 38
            +4
            Quote: vkrav
            Duc, in the "nightingale move" half of the words are Turkic ...

            Why are you surprised, sausage, chest. Dagger ........... these words are also borrowed.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 10 December 2013 16: 13
              0
              Quote: Apollon
              Why are you surprised, sausage, chest. Dagger ........... these
              words are also borrowed.

              Is it really fat too ?? belay
        3. Tersky
          Tersky 10 December 2013 14: 48
          +5
          Quote: Apollon
          the word Maidan (Turkic word) is the area.

          Yes, take the same pencil, Kara-black, dash-stone wink
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 10 December 2013 16: 10
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            Yes, take the same pencil, Kara-black, dash-stone

            and if you also read Murad-Aji ... then they came from Attila ... and they have Slavic origin from a part ... after all, the proclamation of Kievan Rus was read in ancient Turkic ... hi ..
          2. pensioner
            pensioner 10 December 2013 16: 18
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            Yes take the same pencil

            And here is my favorite football team AMKAR (Perm) good . I tried AM KAR in my time from the Kazakh-Turkic translate. The terrible thing happened ... repeat
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 10 December 2013 19: 51
              +4
              Quote: retired
              . I tried AM KAR in my time from the Kazakh-Turkic translate. The terrible thing happened ...

              Do not try to spread the translation, laughing ,
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 10 December 2013 20: 13
                +2
                Quote: Tersky
                Do not try to spread the translation

                I won’t! stop But I want so much ... repeat But actually, we developed a device a long time ago: a magnetite analyzer. Well, they called him, respectively: AM-1. And we went with him to Kazakhstan, to SSGOK Rudny ... We were very quickly recommended to change the name there ...
          3. Cherdak
            Cherdak 10 December 2013 17: 24
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            Yes take the same pencil



            Pencil - in Russian military "hexagonal crowbar". A soldier with such a crowbar acc. artist. wink
      2. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 10 December 2013 12: 40
        -7
        Ukraine is the only country that produces six-caliber barrel guided missiles - 90, 100, 105, 115, 120 and 125 millimeters.


        Interestingly, thanks or in spite of (demolition of the monument to Lenin in Kiev) ?:
        1. Akim
          Akim 10 December 2013 12: 59
          +5
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Interestingly, thanks or in spite of (demolition of the monument to Lenin in Kiev) ?:

          With politics please in other topics on the branch.
          1. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU 10 December 2013 14: 33
            +4
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Interestingly, thanks or in spite of (demolition of the monument to Lenin in Kiev) ?:

            With politics please in other topics on the branch.


            But in my opinion everything is very clear and understandable. Were it not for the USSR and that Lenin, there would not have been a successful Ukrainian military industrial complex, as well as a technological reserve even for NATO standards, + Soviet education. Therefore, I reasonably wrote above. let not only the monuments to Lenin felled, but all that was built in the Ukrainian SSR. And let the parents be shot, who received Soviet education and free quality medical care up to 1991 (1985 in critics and other versions) of the year. am
            1. Kars
              Kars 10 December 2013 14: 36
              +3
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              Do not be the USSR and that Lenin,

              And you are responsible for what would come in 17 to the power of Esser or Menshiviki, or the Cadets)))
            2. morpex
              morpex 10 December 2013 15: 09
              +3
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              Were it not for the USSR and that Lenin, there would be no successful Ukrainian military-industrial complex,

              It doesn’t mold like that .. The Soviet government in Ukraine got a developed infrastructure created by the tsar-priest. Google ..
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 12: 49
        +7
        Quote: Tersky

        I rejoice differently, the first positive news about Ukraine in the last 10 days

        Yeah, only in the photo for the article are Americans with Jewelin laughing
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 10 December 2013 14: 39
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yeah, only in the photo for the article are Americans with Jewelin

          laughing ! Sasha, well, the author of the news on vpk-news.ru did not have a photo of all Ukrainian missiles of six calibers - 90, 100, 105, 115, 120 and 125 millimeters, so I decided to slap six of them with one Javelin ... I just forgot add- "And it will all look like this ..." laughing
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 10 December 2013 15: 07
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            So I decided six to slam one Javelin ...
            By the way, about Jewelin a joke in a subject
      4. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 13: 50
        -6
        why rejoice. they will be sold to some Mujahideen. and they will start firing at us.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 10 December 2013 15: 43
          +4
          Quote: uhjpysq1
          why rejoice. they will be sold to some Mujahideen. and they will start firing at us.

          Unlike you, I believe that quite adequate and sensible people are sitting in the Ukrainian defense industry.
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            1. Kars
              Kars 10 December 2013 16: 13
              +2
              Quote: uhjpysq1
              Let’s sell the air defense system to the Georgians. Let them shoot down the MOSC.a.a.

              SAM is a defensive weapon, and in principle it does not matter what to shoot down.
              1. uhjpysq1
                uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 18: 40
                0
                ))) By May 15, 2008, Ukraine had received 10 L-29 aircraft, 9 Mi-24 helicopters, two Mi-8MT, two Mi-4, spare parts for helicopters, 31 T-72 tanks, 40 BMP-2, 20 armored personnel carriers BTR-80, 12 152-mm 2S3 Akatsiya howitzers, two IMR-2, two BAT-2 trackers, 10 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile systems, one Kolchuga-M radio-technical reconnaissance station, one missile boat of project 206MR, one patrol boat of project 205P, two radar stations 36D6-M [6], 180 KrAZ-6510 vehicles, a batch of Kombat anti-tank systems, 64 AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers, 53 PKM machine guns, 74 PKT machine guns, 920 sniper SVD rifles, 41 AKM and AK-116 assault rifles, 74 thousand pistols, 4 tons of ammunition for small arms [40].
                at the same time, on behalf of the President of Ukraine V.A. Yushchenko, some equipment (including those removed from combat duty) was delivered to Georgia bypassing standard procedures and to the detriment of Ukraine’s defense capabilities. kill the damned m.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 10 December 2013 18: 54
                  +2
                  Quote: uhjpysq1
                  The comment was deleted.

                  ))))))))))

                  In accordance with the quotas determined on May 15, 1992 at the Tashkent meeting of the CIS heads of state, in December 1992, from the 10th motorized rifle division deployed in Akhaltsikhe, Russia donated 108 T-55 tanks, 111 BMP infantry fighting vehicles to Georgia 1 (of which 6 in the commander’s version), 14 armored reconnaissance vehicles BRM-1K and 4 armored personnel carriers BTR-70. In addition, the 142nd tank repair plant in Tbilisi was transferred to the balance of the Georgian Ministry of Defense [45].
                  At the beginning of 2001, a number of Georgian army officers were trained at the Academy of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces


                  And?

                  Now back to the question - Was Georgia near the Embargo on arms supplies?

                  Quote: uhjpysq1
                  Some equipment (including those removed from combat duty) was delivered to Georgia, bypassing standard procedures and to the detriment of Ukraine’s defense capabilities. kill the damned m.

                  What is meant by some? And why kill? Can be protected from ...?
                  1. uhjpysq1
                    uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 19: 41
                    +1
                    By the evening of August 8, preliminary data appeared on the victims: as President of the unrecognized republic Eduard Kokoity stated in an interview with the Interfax news agency, more than 1400 people became victims of the attack by Georgian troops on South Ossetia. [255] On the morning of August 9, the official representative of the South Ossetian government, Irina Gagloeva, reported 1600 dead. [256] On the evening of August 9, Russian Ambassador to Georgia Vyacheslav Kovalenko said that at least 2000 residents of Tskhinvali had died (about 3% of the population of South Ossetia). [257]
                    On August 11, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Boris Malakhov said that, according to updated data, approximately 1600 civilians were killed in the conflict zone. they defended themselves from them.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 10 December 2013 20: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: uhjpysq1
                      By the evening of August 8, preliminary data appeared on the victims: as President of the unrecognized republic Eduard Kokoity stated in an interview with the Interfax news agency, more than 1400 people became victims of the attack by Georgian troops on South Ossetia. [255]

                      So what?
                      The only thing interesting here is that Georgia pays for supplies,
                      On August 11, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Boris Malakhov said that, according to updated data, approximately 1600 civilians were killed in the conflict zone. they defended themselves against them
                      Oh well, the Russian Foreign Ministry)) 0a what does the Russian Foreign Ministry say about the participation of the Ukrainian military? And by the way, the victims are all without exception
                      Quote: uhjpysq1
                      damned m. oskaly
                      ____0))))
                      1. uhjpysq1
                        uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 20: 32
                        -5
                        So what?
                        The only thing interesting here is that Georgia pays for supplies.
                        and the fact that Ukraine sells weapons to our enemies means a state hostile to us. and enemies must be destroyed.
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 10 December 2013 20: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: uhjpysq1
                        but the fact that Ukraine sells weapons to our enemies means a state hostile to us. and enemies must be destroyed

                        Start with yourself and shoot yourself.

                        and give an official statement, a document that Georgia is officially an enemy of the Russian Federation. so for fun.


                        By the way, here's another list of enemies)))))
                        1 Albania
                        2 Bulgaria
                        3 Bosnia and Herzegovina
                        4 UK
                        5 Hungary
                        6 Greece
                        7 Israel
                        8 Italy
                        9 Kazakhstan
                        10 China
                        11 Latvia
                        12 Lithuania
                        13 Netherlands
                        14 Poland
                        15 Russia
                        16 Romania
                        17 Serbia
                        18 USA
                        19 Turkey
                        20 Uzbekistan
                        21 Ukraine
                        22 Finland
                        23 Germany
                        24 France
                        25 Montenegro
                        26 Czech Republic
                        27 Switzerland
                        28 Sweden
                        29 Estonia
                        30 South Africa
                      3. uhjpysq1
                        uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 21: 09
                        -4
                        ))) not earlier than you show a certificate from a psychiatrist to us that you are not registered)))
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 10 December 2013 21: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: uhjpysq1
                        not earlier than you show a certificate from a psychiatrist to us that you are not registered)))

                        And if I show, then shoot yourself? How can I be sure that you will fulfill and do such a favor to the gene pool of the earth?
                      5. uhjpysq1
                        uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 21: 31
                        -3
                        )))))))))) Zulul Zulul)))) Juden?
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 10 December 2013 22: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: uhjpysq1
                        )))))))))) Zulul Zulul)))) Juden?

                        What does it mean that you don’t shoot yourself? So then what is the point of going to the doctor for help? And you still hold fascist views)))
                      7. Akim
                        Akim 10 December 2013 22: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: uhjpysq1
                        )))))))))) Zulul Zulul)))) Juden?

                        Quote: Akim
                        So your grandfather was a fascist? Because mine then protected our land from them. Oh, great hamster provocateur

                        What did I talk about in the next topic? It turns out the suspicions are not groundless.
                      8. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 10 December 2013 23: 06
                        0
                        Yes, you old man is a national socialist? or national patriot? wassat
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          2. smersh70
            smersh70 10 December 2013 22: 53
            0
            Quote: uhjpysq1
            resident of the unrecognized republic Eduard Kokoity,


            I beg you, just do not refer to it)))) believe the Prosecutor's Office of Russia ... clearly and clearly it is said in his information ...
      5. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 10 December 2013 19: 40
        +1
        Quote: uhjpysq1
        By May 15, 2008, 10 L-29 aircraft, 9 Mi-24 helicopters, two Mi-8MT, two Mi-4, spare parts for helicopters, 31 T-72 tanks, 40 BMP-2, 20 armored personnel carriers BTR were received from Ukraine -80, 12 152-mm 2S3 Akatsiya howitzers, two IMR-2, two BAT-2 trackers, 10 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile systems, one Kolchuga-M electronic reconnaissance station, one Project 206MR missile boat , one project 205P patrol boat, two 36D6-M radars [6], 180 KrAZ-6510 vehicles, a batch of Kombat anti-tank systems, 64 AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers, 53 PKM machine guns, 74 PKT machine guns, 920 SVD sniper rifles, 41 AKM and AK-116 assault rifles, 74 thousand pistols, 4 tons of ammunition for small arms [40].

        Copy-paste from Wikipedia is not good comrade!
        Well, if you hang around there you should see two dozen countries that supplied Georgia with weapons and military equipment similar to Ukraine. Why not blame Albania for selling weapons to the bloody tyrant Saakashvili?
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 20: 05
          -2
          that’s when there will be an article about Albania, then we’ll speak for it.))) And the wiki is definitely not a pro-Russian resource and a link to it should shut up some non-friends.
          1. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 10 December 2013 20: 35
            0
            Who writes wiki articles? and which sites link to? the same wikipedia article in different languages ​​can be very different especially if it's geopolitics.
        2. Black
          Black 10 December 2013 20: 26
          +2
          Quote: GastaClaus69
          Why not blame Albania for selling weapons to the bloody tyrant Saakashvili?


          They beat the lad not for stealing, but for getting caught.
          It’s difficult to blame Ukraine for what they sold.
          But the "Georgian colonels" could not de facto manage the "beeches"! The "start" button was pressed by officers (sometimes retired) from "fraternal" Ukraine.
          1. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 10 December 2013 20: 41
            +2
            Do you have a video, a photo of how a retired Ukrainian army officer presses the Buk’s start button? By the way, shouldn't the operator press a button?
            Quote: Chen
            They beat the lad not for stealing, but for getting caught.

            Do you remember the video where the Serbian RPG with instructions in Serbian is captured while the voice-over claims that it is Ukrainian?
  • SV
    SV 10 December 2013 21: 07
    0
    Yes, I did the same agree with you ...
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 10 December 2013 12: 31
    -2
    Quote: Apollon
    The State Concern "Ukroboronprom" presented modern high-precision weapons


    Vague suspicions torment me that in the photo to the note FGM-148 Javelin, developed since 1986 by the Javelin Joint Venture company (Louisville, Texas).

    And in general, I do not believe in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. With such a guide, but without money, they will soon release cast-iron pots. It is a pity, of course, but it is their European choice.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 10 December 2013 12: 36
      +7
      Quote: Cherdak
      And in general, I do not believe in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex.

      Well, this is your right and a private affair. Nobody is allowed to scold the military-industrial complex of Ukraine.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 10 December 2013 13: 49
        -8
        Quote: Apollon
        Nobody is allowed to scold the military-industrial complex of Ukraine.


        Caesar's wife is above suspicion

        And why, actually? Having one of the most advanced defense industry in the Warsaw Pact brought to the present miserable state. Where are the advanced space developments? Where is the breakthrough in the fleet? Aircraft industry? Armored vehicles?
        Or are those scandalous Asian deliveries the limit of Ukrainian scientific and technical thought?

        It's a shame!
        1. Akim
          Akim 10 December 2013 14: 06
          +1
          Quote: Cherdak
          Where are the advanced space developments? Where is the breakthrough in the fleet? Aircraft industry? Armored vehicles?

          Well, of course, if you look only from one angle, then I can say the same about Russia. Now, if they had said: Ukraine does not buy anything new from its developments in the army, I would agree.
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 10 December 2013 14: 26
            0
            Quote: Akim
            I can say the same about Russia


            Oh, in vain you are so. You can not. Due to objective circumstances.
            The volume of the defense budget of Ukraine in 2013 amounted to 22.8 billion UAH (1.35% of GDP), and should be in the region of 1/3 of the Russian one and be profitable, because at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union, the military-industrial complex (MIC) of the Ukrainian SSR totaled more than 3,5 thousand enterprises. The history of the actual death of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex became a mirror image of the sad fate of the entire industry of Ukraine.
            1. Kars
              Kars 10 December 2013 14: 35
              +5
              Quote: Cherdak
              The volume of the defense budget

              And here the defense budget)))
              Quote: Cherdak
              Having one of the most advanced defense industry in the Warsaw Pact brought to the present miserable state

              You message? So, with a much larger military budget than Ukraine, it mainly feeds with fairy tales and mock-ups. There are no even close ties to the USSR, and this despite the fact that Russia claims to be a world leader and a pole of power, and Ukraine is a simple non-aligned state.
              Quote: Cherdak
              The history of the actual death of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex became a mirror image of the sad fate of the entire industry of Ukraine.

              You can see that you are a biased Ukrainophobe)) The military-industrial complex in the world is not going through simple wars))) The Russian Federation has lost 3 of 4 tank factories))) For ten years, shipyards have been building what they have been building in the USSR or in the USA in a couple of years.
              And by the way, England closed its tank factory and cuts down shipyards, while Ukraine continues to produce tanks.
              1. Cherdak
                Cherdak 10 December 2013 14: 37
                -2
                Almost without exception, enterprises of the Ukrainian defense industry operate thanks to Russian contracts, and the Ukrainian defense industry produces half of its weapons for Russia. More than 70% of the suppliers of systems and components for Ukrainian defense enterprises are located in Russia. If there had been no Russian Federation, the functioning factories of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine would have stopped long ago.

                At the moment, without the participation of Russians, Ukraine is able to produce a slightly remade and improved Soviet T-80 tank, which was solemnly declared a purely Ukrainian development - the T-84 (Oplot and Yatagan). Another plant to them. Malysheva is capable of independently producing a number of Soviet armored personnel carriers and modernizing such Soviet tanks as the T-64 (“Bulat” is called for beauty), T-55, T-72, and T-62. And that’s it! On this, the military-industrial self-sufficiency of Ukraine ends.



                What is the state order, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine practically does not know. The Ukrainian “military” survives purely due to foreign orders. The military-industrial complex of Ukraine has never received the necessary financial and organizational support from the state in 18 years. Its very existence is a desperate struggle for survival, in which some enterprises were able to survive, and some (their overwhelming majority) were ordered to live long.

                Fixed assets of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, in general, are worn out by 70%. Low profitability (competitors drive Ukrainian manufacturers into the dumping price range), small revenues from sales of equipment do not even give hope for the restoration of lost Soviet capacities, and, most importantly, make it impossible to radically upgrade them. Ukrainian defense enterprises cannot count on investments. In the same way, they cannot hope for the support of the Ukrainian state. In Poland, for example, $ 800 million is spent annually on the re-equipment of the defense complex infrastructure, while in Ukraine it is spent no more than 100. And most of this amount remains on government paper.
                1. sapran
                  sapran 10 December 2013 15: 03
                  0
                  When can I cry and eat? Tell me purely for reference, which strategist is mass-produced in Russia? (stop, they are unnecessary ... but probably the release of the "pencil" will compensate for the loss of one carrier of the C-22 type? Thank God that after 10 years of deliveries of the Su-27 series to China, deliveries have finally begun to the Russian Air Force (otherwise all of them optimized) and what? Probably progress in transport aviation flies in India? And so, except for blah blah blah, everything is past the cash register
                  1. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 10 December 2013 15: 46
                    +6
                    Quote: Kars
                    can a couple of contracts over the past 5 years with the Russian Federation?


                    For example, Ukrainian enterprises produce radar and optoelectronic equipment for Russian fighters like MiG and Su, engines for helicopters like Mi and Ka and so on.

                    And before, in general, the Ukrainian SSR accounted for about 30% of the entire defense industry of the Soviet Union. There is a difference?

                    Quote: sapran
                    all past Kasa


                    Vadim, are you so subtly hinting at Julia?

                    But the Russian aviation industry is at the very least, it works ... and it’s sorted out with missiles
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 10 December 2013 15: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: Cherdak
                      For example, the

                      I clearly asked for the contracts. At the same time, I confirm the declared numbers. The Russian Federation Migi and Su almost do not.
                      At the same time, the Russian Federation is constantly pursuing a substitution policy, which is basically correct, but the reasons are stupid. Especially regarding European integration, it will be impossible to buy Ukrainian engines like this, but you can buy Mistrals)))
                      Quote: Cherdak
                      And before, in general, the Ukrainian SSR accounted for about 30% of the entire defense industry of the Soviet Union. There is a difference?

                      What? And do you know that the USSR is no more?
                    2. sapran
                      sapran 10 December 2013 15: 56
                      -3
                      And when did this blessed moment happen? !!! is it really possible to run for "peppercorns"? As for missiles and aviation, I have "outdated" data where only people climb on their knees with "files" ...
              2. Cherdak
                Cherdak 10 December 2013 14: 52
                -1
                Quote: Kars
                You can see that you are biased Ukrainophobe)


                You shouldn’t be so. Instead of hanging labels (not tea on the Maidan), it would be better to take a balanced look at your country, which is doing everything to become bankrupt. Think of people. And you have 50% Russian. That's what a shame. Otherwise, I would have completely ignored this state misunderstanding created by some of the narrow-minded communists.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 10 December 2013 15: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  You are so vain.

                  no, not in vain.
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  it would be better to take a balanced look at your country, which is doing everything to become bankrupt. Think about people

                  what a pompous syllable
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  Virtually all enterprises of the Ukrainian defense industry, without exception, work thanks to Russian contracts, and the Ukrainian defense industry produces half of its weapons for Russia

                  can a couple of contracts over the past 5 years with the Russian Federation?
                  1. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 10 December 2013 15: 51
                    -1
                    Quote: Kars
                    You are so vain.
                    no, not in vain.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 10 December 2013 15: 54
                      +3
                      Well, you are an obvious representative of Ukrainophobes. And the picture is so-so. I liked it better when you shot down the Yugoslav MiG-29 set)))
                  2. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 11 December 2013 17: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    can a couple of contracts over the past 5 years with the Russian Federation?


                    Roskosmos has refused to purchase Ukrainian Zenit missiles, which until recently were considered the best carriers in the world, the Izvestia newspaper reports.

                    According to the interlocutor of the newspaper, a long-established price was offered for the missiles, pre-budgeted - about 1,2 billion rubles. for the rocket. However, the Ukrainian partners were not satisfied with the offer, they asked for more - about 1,4 billion rubles. According to the source of the newspaper, under such conditions the deal made no sense, since for 1,5 billion rubles. Roskosmos can order the production of "Proton" - a carrier of greater carrying capacity.

                    "Over the past five years, the price of "Zenith" has grown exactly three times. Of course, this is not entirely normal. At Yuzhmashzavod they explain this by the changing prices of cooperation partners, they say that in Zenit up to 70% of components are from Russia, starting with metal and ending with the RD-171 engine, "said the deputy general director of International Space Services (carries out launches "Zenith" from Baikonur) Mikhail Gerasev.

                    “This year we were unable to agree with Roscosmos on the prices of missiles - all this is due to the fact that the prices for components from Russia are becoming more expensive. The process is uncontrolled, and we cannot do anything about it. Believe me, our salary does not change. by Russian standards - $ 400 on average for the enterprise.Our work in recent years has not risen in price, all the rise in price is due to deliveries from Russia, where we buy 70% of components and materials", - said the deputy general director of Yuzhmashzavod Sergei Voit.

                    Yuzhmashzavod was founded in 1944. In Dnepropetrovsk. In addition to carriers for space launches, the company also manufactured rockets for the Strategic Missile Forces railway complex.

                    In 1986-1992. The director of the plant was the second president of Ukraine, Leonid Kuchma.

                    PS Proton is a more "universal" rocket, it has capabilities that Zenith fundamentally lacks. Allows to put 23 tons into low reference orbit compared to 14 tons at Zenith or 3,25 tons into geostationary orbit versus 2,6 tons at Zenith. In addition, the more Protons are produced, the cheaper they are.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 11 December 2013 17: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Cherdak
                      Roscosmos refused to acquire Ukrainian Zenit missiles

                      undertook to confirm my point of view, well done.
              3. Cherdak
                Cherdak 10 December 2013 15: 05
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                Ukraine is a simple non-aligned state.


                Tell this to the military who fought 888 in Georgia. They will surprise you with three floors.

                ... on behalf of the President of Ukraine V.A. Yushchenko, some equipment (including those removed from combat duty) was delivered to Georgia bypassing standard procedures and to the detriment of Ukraine’s defense

                ... the deputy of the "Party of Regions" V.I. Konovalyuk said that "Ukrainian weapons were sold to Georgia 5-6 times cheaper than they cost on the world market."
                1. Kars
                  Kars 10 December 2013 15: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  Tell this to the military who fought 888 in Georgia. They will surprise you with three floors.

                  what did you try to report?

                  and where is the official note of protest of the Russian Foreign Ministry?

                  Quote: Cherdak
                  on behalf of the President of Ukraine V.A. Yushchenko, some equipment (including those removed from combat duty) was delivered to Georgia bypassing standard procedures and to the detriment of Ukraine’s defense


                  this is our internal affair, and you won’t be bothered if you do not prove that an arms embargo was imposed on Georgia.

                  Quote: Cherdak
                  Deputy of the "Party of Regions" V.I. Konovalyuk said that "Ukrainian weapons were sold to Georgia 5-6 times cheaper than they cost on the world market."

                  And is there a criminal case?
                  1. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 10 December 2013 15: 48
                    +3
                    Quote: Kars
                    it’s our internal affair, and you don’t care


                    Scythe certainly has nothing to do with it. But Russophobia - definitely.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 10 December 2013 15: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: Cherdak
                      Scythe certainly has nothing to do with it. But Russophobia - definitely.

                      Everything can be. But as I see the note of protest of the Russian Foreign Ministry, you are not in a hurry to present it.
                  2. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 10 December 2013 15: 55
                    +3
                    Quote: Kars
                    And is there a criminal case?


                    The quartet is ready!
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 10 December 2013 15: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: Cherdak
                      The quartet is ready!

                      Are you inadequate?
                      Quote: Cherdak
                      Deputy of the "Party of Regions" V.I. Konovalyuk said that "Ukrainian weapons were sold to Georgia 5-6 times cheaper than they cost on the world market."

                      Quote: Kars
                      And is there a criminal case?

                      What kind of quartet? How does this relate to the supply of arms to Georgia and the abuse of criminal cases?
                    2. Cherdak
                      Cherdak 10 December 2013 17: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Kars
                      Are you inadequate?


                      Thank you for your kind words. Ukrainian theater absurdity go on!
                    3. Kars
                      Kars 10 December 2013 18: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: Cherdak
                      Thank you for your kind words

                      strange answer.

                      Quote: Kars
                      What kind of quartet? How does this relate to the supply of arms to Georgia and the abuse of criminal cases?

                      ?
                2. sapran
                  sapran 10 December 2013 16: 02
                  +5
                  Unfortunately, there is no way to put instead of flowers in the center of F-1 without a check .... well, it's a pity.
                3. Akim
                  Akim 10 December 2013 16: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: sapran
                  there is no way to put instead of flowers in the center of F-1 without checks ..

                  the people of Ukraine will not get any easier.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 10 December 2013 16: 12
            +1
            Quote: Cherdak
            Tell it to the military

            ..and ... where did Yushchenko know when selling Georgia’s weapons that they would start firing at your troops .... he was a chastoli nastrodamus .... they asked, so he sold .... well then blame even Russian leadership, at the beginning of 2000 gave the whole battalion T_72 of Georgia ....
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 10 December 2013 19: 31
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              how did Yushchenko know when selling Georgia’s weapons that they would start shooting at your troops ....


              Indeed, if earlier Ukraine supplied Georgia with pistols, rifles and training aircraft, then in 2004-2005 - tanks, helicopters and artillery systems. The further, the more serious the emphasis is placed on offensive weapons. In 2007, 6 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems, 48 ​​guided anti-aircraft missiles, 200 Strela and Igla MANPADS, T-72 tanks are being sold to Georgia. In 2008 - the Shkval combat modules and the Grad multiple launch rocket system, with which Georgian troops tried to raze the capital of South Ossetia on August 8.

              All mentioned complexes were selected with the help of American specialists. Moreover, "Shkval" is not even in service with the Ukrainian army - it is an experimental development. Apparently, they decided to test the combat qualities of the modules on the residents of South Ossetia.

              That is, Georgia from the very beginning planned to conduct an offensive war - not only against South Ossetia, but also against Russia. And the seller was aware - against whom he is arming Saakashvili. Moreover, the seller was precisely the president of the country, Viktor Yushchenko. He, of course, knew about the military aggression being prepared by Mikheil Saakashvili - this is evidenced by the scale of supplies and their equipment. And he not only knew, but also supported, in fact made Ukraine an ally of Georgia in aggression against South Ossetia and, as an inevitable consequence, against Russia.
              1. sapran
                sapran 10 December 2013 19: 53
                +3
                From the above list, more than half of the weapons and spare parts relate to defense.
              2. Cherdak
                Cherdak 11 December 2013 13: 43
                0
                Irakli Aladashvili, a leading Georgian military expert and editor-in-chief of the independent military-analytical publication Arsenal, explained to Kommersant that tanks and other heavy weapons "are no longer suitable under the new conditions." "The idea is that, since Georgia is not going to attack anyone, anti-tank systems are more necessary than tanks", - says Mr. Aladashvili. In addition, according to him, the maintenance of tanks and helicopters, including their repair in Ukraine (where Georgian equipment was traditionally purchased and repaired), is becoming more expensive.
              3. sapran
                sapran 11 December 2013 16: 13
                0
                The state is becoming impoverished ... So they switch to the "economy option"
          3. smersh70
            smersh70 10 December 2013 22: 36
            -1
            You did not answer my question about the tank battalion ....
            Quote: Cherdak
            certainly knew about the upcoming Michael

            how do you know this ... Yushchenko told you yourself ... or you worked at the GRU of the General Staff of Ukraine .... or like Uncle Misha shared the info with you .... winked
            Quote: Cherdak
            the seller was aware - against whom he is arming

            usually the seller to the bulb .. he sells, the buyer pays ... there would be money ....
  • Akim
    Akim 10 December 2013 16: 23
    +1
    Quote: Cherdak
    but should be in the region of 1/3 of the Russian one and be profitable,

    He brings profit, but otherwise your formula is written a little moronic.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 10 December 2013 16: 01
    +2
    Quote: Cherdak
    Aircraft industry?

    and you, like, have a blast of thought at the company of Poghosyan chtoli ... or flew to Mars .....
    Quote: Cherdak
    Armored vehicles?
    wassat
    I can’t sleep already ... I’m still wondering what Armata will look like .....
    Quote: Cherdak
    brought to the present miserable state.

    remember at least the commander of the 58th army .. when he asked the cell phone from the journalists to call ... as they say ... he doesn’t notice a log in his eye, but he is looking for a straw from a neighbor ...... fool
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 10 December 2013 17: 08
      +2
      Quote: smersh70
      You have a burst of thought


      It's funny ... there is nothing to cover, cut obscenities.

      ... the volume of state defense orders in 2013 compared with the previous year increased 1,6 times. To date, through the Rosatom, SVR, FSKN and FSO, the state defense order is 100% fulfilled.

      ... by the end of this year, the armed forces will have 122 launchers with Yars and Topol-M missile systems, which will increase the percentage of modern weapons in the composition of missile forces to 37%. In addition, by the end of the year, the Strategic Missile Forces will receive eight of the newest electronic warfare systems "Judoist" and 40 electronic warfare systems "Evorandit".

      ... the Iskander-M complex. By the end of this year, the Russian army will be armed with 73 such complexes.

      ... In 2013, six divisions of the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile system entered service with various parts of the Russian army. Thus, there are currently six S-400 regiments in the Russian armed forces.

      ... received the first batch of 24 Tor-M1-2U anti-aircraft missile systems. The total number of these systems in the Russian army is already 130 units. They are designed to replace the systems of "Tor", "Wasp" and "Tor-M1"

      ... this year, more than 300 units of missile and artillery weapons took up combat duty.

      ... for 2013, the state defense order through the Air Force has already been completed ahead of schedule - all 60 aircraft and 46 helicopters

      ... Su-35S. This year, the supply volume grew to 12 cars and the contract was also executed ahead of schedule.

      ... In 2013, 12 large and 43 small vessels were launched.

      etc. etc.

      And almost 14 yards of greenery sold more products to foreign buyers.
      1. SV
        SV 10 December 2013 21: 54
        +1
        Thank you, "Cherdak", for the discussion, the comrades from the Maidan seriously frayed their nerves belaydrooling already from the monitor flew lol
        But they were going to discuss the good news. - VPK UK is more likely alive than dead

        Despite the attitude of all his presidents, he is surviving and trying to put something new on the market!

        But the red (or orange) spoiled the whole mood ... (could have written cleverly on the topic)
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 10 December 2013 22: 40
          +1
          Yeah, they minus not childishly, with complete revolutionary determination.

          Two weeks left before the new year! People, be kind to yourself.
  • Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 10 December 2013 23: 41
    +2
    Quote: Cherdak

    And why, actually? Having one of the most advanced defense industry in the Warsaw Pact brought to the present miserable state. Where are the advanced space developments? Where is the breakthrough in the fleet? Aircraft industry? Armored vehicles?
    Or are those scandalous Asian deliveries the limit of Ukrainian scientific and technical thought?

    It's a shame!

    We will recall the "advanced space development Proton-M" with a minute of silence. Taking into account how the Russian Federation was remaking Gorshkov into Vikramaditya (with a delay of 6 years), it is better not to stutter about a breakthrough in the fleet. Aircraft industry - there are quite competitive developments in BTA and civil aviation that have passed the appropriate tests. And if some good-neighborly country didn’t survive, it would have long since gone into series on mutually beneficial terms. In terms of armored vehicles, the development is not worse than the Russian ones (taking into account the fact that they spent an order of magnitude less money on them).
  • smersh70
    smersh70 10 December 2013 15: 59
    0
    Quote: Apollon
    Nobody is allowed to scold the military-industrial complex of Ukraine.


    until Ukraine joins the CU ... it’s fashionable to fuck Ukraine and its products right now bully even Schors remembered .. the truth on another branch ...... smile ..
    1. Akim
      Akim 10 December 2013 16: 28
      +1
      Quote: smersh70
      ..wow Ukraine and its products, right now it’s fashionable here

      No comment.
      Although not. Look at the Belarusian military-industrial complex. Joining the vehicle from Hai did not save.
  • GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 10 December 2013 12: 49
    +3
    Indonesia intends to purchase a test batch of 5 BTR-4 for its marine corps in 2014.
    http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/4291-1.html
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 10 December 2013 13: 47
    +1
    Iraq was not happy with the purchase. When accepting, look at both, and then again there will be scandals.
    1. morpex
      morpex 10 December 2013 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Iraq was not happy with the purchase. When accepting, look at both, and then again there will be scandals.

      It’s strange, like that. They ran around the factory and screeched from a fever. Have they really replaced it somewhere on the road? wassat
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  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 10 December 2013 15: 23
    0
    Quote: Apollon
    Ukraine is going to introduce BTR-4MV armored personnel carriers to Azerbaijan.


    hash?

    rally understood so = Ukraine will sell Azerbaijan an armored personnel carrier - 4mv and others (see picture) against anti-tank missile systems (for example Armenia) so that the last first ones!

    Words are saved by hacks, all the loot is hidden, there is no time to chew anything.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 10 December 2013 16: 04
    +1
    Quote: Apollon
    Surely they will sell us.

    after the Akim began to ulcerate on our equipment .... so to them .... we will not take it. turn off the gas and oil ..... wassat
    1. Akim
      Akim 10 December 2013 16: 30
      +3
      Quote: smersh70
      after Akim began to ulcerate on our technique

      Not criticize, but criticize so that mistakes are taken into account.
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled 10 December 2013 12: 12
    +4
    Visitors to the Ukrainian booth, potential partners of Ukraine in the Asian region, were presented with designs developed by the State Concern GKBB “Luch” (Kiev), which meet the standards of NATO, ATGM Falarick 90, Falarick 105, “Stugna”, as well as 120-mm ATGM “Combat”

    clickable photo
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 10 December 2013 12: 17
    0
    "Ukraine Promotes Precision Weapons to the World Market" - Klitschko? belay Bulldozer? wink
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 10 December 2013 12: 25
      +3
      Quote: Stiletto
      Klitschko? Bulldozer?

      This option is most accurate (see photo)
      Especially if the theater - Geyropa wassat
      1. sapran
        sapran 10 December 2013 14: 45
        +1
        Oh, and prypikat the same to someone. Or is it your wet fantasies? Politics on a different topic. There is a show of new complexes from "dead" enterprises. By the way, the word new is not necessarily associated with "super-duper" here they presented a product that someone can afford. and someone is simply not interested. If Azerbaijan asked and paid, then he was given "stugny" although there is something on the market that "my heart desires"
    2. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 10 December 2013 23: 45
      +2
      Quote: Stiletto
      "Ukraine Promotes Precision Weapons to the World Market" - Klitschko? belay Bulldozer? wink

      For Povetkin enough and Klitschko)))
  • makarov
    makarov 10 December 2013 12: 23
    0
    Let them sell, maybe at least 10 percent of the transaction will go to the budget ...
  • Akim
    Akim 10 December 2013 12: 37
    +2
    King of Brunei and "Skif" with thermal imager
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 10 December 2013 13: 57
      0
      The Skif man-portable ATGM was created jointly with the Belarusian defense industry. Even here, the Old Man could not do.
      1. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 10 December 2013 14: 14
        +6
        Rather, it did without politics, so normal cooperation was done.
      2. Akim
        Akim 10 December 2013 14: 15
        0
        Quote: Cherdak
        The Skif man-portable ATGM was created jointly with the Belarusian defense industry.

        Okay. This is a modernized "Stugna-P". Is it easier for you? They differ from each other only in the sighting system, which was developed in Ukraine. But actually the same thing.
        Rocket control both there and there is an intellectual development of Luch. The article was about precision weapons.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 10 December 2013 14: 32
          0
          Lighter thanks. But the photo of the FGM-148 Javelin should be removed before the note, otherwise it is very annoying.
          1. Akim
            Akim 10 December 2013 15: 20
            0
            Quote: Cherdak
            But the photo of the FGM-148 Javelin should be removed before the note,

            Questions to the modifiers. You must not blindly believe everything.
      3. morpex
        morpex 10 December 2013 15: 21
        +2
        Quote: Cherdak
        The Skif man-portable ATGM was created jointly with the Belarusian defense industry. Even here, the Old Man could not do.

        Long live Soviet cooperation! I am with two hands for. drinks
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 10 December 2013 14: 07
      0
      And you do not know which matrix in the thermal imager is here?
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  • mountain
    mountain 10 December 2013 14: 25
    -3
    So in the first place will come in the naming of unusual weapons.
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 10 December 2013 16: 21
      +2
      Are you afraid that you will be squeezed from the first place?
      1. mountain
        mountain 10 December 2013 17: 28
        +1
        Here, here I am about the same.
      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak 10 December 2013 17: 36
        -2
        Quote: GastaClaus69
        Are you afraid that you will be squeezed from the first place?


        But sho, BMPT-72 has also become Ukrainian?
        1. sapran
          sapran 10 December 2013 17: 48
          +4
          God save me from such a variation !!!!!!!!!!! This is originally Russian fun and I ask you not to call on her. (sorry crew)
          we also had excesses with "technical perversions and deep flight of thought" but to such "insanity" (or rather the level of insanity) Thank God we did not get it (they don’t give money for a drink)
        2. GastaClaus69
          GastaClaus69 10 December 2013 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: Cherdak
          But sho, BMPT-72 has also become Ukrainian?

          Of course no. True, what does the BMPT-72 have to do with it? It’s not clear considering that Object 199 is in the photo!
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 10 December 2013 19: 56
            0
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            In the photo Object 199 Frame!


            and became BMPT-72 "Terminator-2"

            BMPT-72 is the modernization of the famous Uralvagonzavod tank - T-72. When designing the BMPT-72, the experience of creating and using the BMPT was taken into account, which for its firepower received the nickname "Terminator".

            Sometimes Wikipedia also lies, i.e. not updated on time.
    2. mountain
      mountain 11 December 2013 13: 55
      0
      You are simply not patriots, the first place in the time of the strike is for you and this is a fact.
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 10 December 2013 17: 57
    0
    Very, very, very sorry that the weapons are not called Russian. Though..
  • Gronsky
    Gronsky 10 December 2013 20: 03
    +1
    I read it - and indeed, everything is like in the life of Ukraine. Srach, "discussion" in the style of "himself d.u.a.k", accusations of ukrainophobia. Are you not tired of yourself yet? The whole world is already openly laughing through tears, looking at Ukraine.
    And there’s essentially nothing to argue about, the defense industry of Ukraine is defeated, schools and personnel are largely lost,
    systemic work on the development of weapons is not conducted. The fact that Russia is doing in this sense is also not a fountain, again, it is obvious. But I think it is not worth comparing what is being done in Russia and Ukraine, it is not at all worth it. Otherwise, it resembles a simple donkey stubbornness.
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 10 December 2013 20: 07
      +2
      Quote: Gronsky
      everything is as in life
  • evil hamster
    evil hamster 10 December 2013 20: 03
    -1
    [hohlosrashch mod ON]
    Lockhead, Raphael and KBP huddled in the corners, cry and swear a cruel fate
    [hohlosrashch mod OFF]
  • darksoul
    darksoul 10 December 2013 23: 21
    +1
    it’s worth rejoicing for the brothers, I see the Ukrainians adapt everything to Western standards, Ptury, the T-84 scimitar, decided to measure their strength in the western arena ... good luck
  • alone
    alone 11 December 2013 00: 00
    0
    srachka continues at full speed. Can still buy seeds? what By the way, about high-precision weapons of Ukraine so far from the force of 10-15 comments. laughing

    By topic. I think the Ukrainians are still able to surprise us with even more advanced military technologies of their own production. hi
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 11 December 2013 13: 50
      -1
      Quote: lonely
      By topic. I think the Ukrainians are still able to surprise us with even more advanced military technologies of their own production.


      Flood - messages in online forums that do not carry any useful information.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 15 December 2013 14: 48
    0
    and it works according to the same scenario
    Either a "hot topic" comes to mind (gas, Georgia Maidan UPA Holodomor)
    here it is necessary to stupidly ignore the one who started it (by the way, not the Ukrainians began to curtail the topic of the article and very rarely do it)
    Either by the "requiem" everything died out badly (then the article is about what?) Concerns all countries.
    In general, from reading 98% of articles about Ukraine, this is an inevitable flood! Srach, inciting enmity at ridicule one another. Do you let off steam like that? Learn in a thread where men toying in Ukrainian subjects took and discussed women for example (a good topic by the way repeat ) or a drink. This is better than sracha.
    On the topic, KB Luch lives. I’m trying to give in every place on a rocket (my own, of course). Takes on any work. Well done.