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West determined: Julia - in junk, elephant - in the china shop

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Finally, the main intrigue finally became clear: what the West really thinks about Yulia Tymoshenko and whether she intends to cooperate with her as a hypothetical future president of Ukraine. The final answer is no. The baton instead of the United States, with their muddy and dirty hints, was picked up by Germany today, with a Teutonic straightforwardness that explained to all Ukrainians — the next president in case of Maidan’s victory will be a boxer. This new diplomatic puncture, among other things, does not just straight off divide the opposition into three main rival camps (lucky Vitalik, losers Yatsenyuk with Tymoshenko and offended renegade neo-Nazi Tyagnybok), but also provokes an open confrontation between them.


Another intrigue - whether the Maidan will be dispersed or not dispersed - is not so fundamental: it is much more important whether the West succeeds in reaching an agreement with Yanukovych. Maidan has no direct relation to this process, remaining only a poorly controlled irritant. It’s hard to call the Ukrainian president a civilized politician of the new type, but irresponsible viewers seem to be deliberately conducting an online experiment, observing how frustrated Yanudo’s miracle can become. Smart trainers do not put their fingers into the mouth of a predator - wild, unfamiliar and unpredictable. And the fact that Yanukovych is unpredictable, was perfectly illustrated by the angry, surprised, lean, disappointed faces of European November 28-29 officials. The subsequent unanimous "Atu it!", Abandoned by Angela Merkel, Victoria Nuland, Catherine Ashton, José Manuel Barroso from the world diplomatic Olympus in an instant expelled by centuries the etiquette. But, as was to be expected, as a result, foreigners were spanked with a boomerang on the forehead - in Kozhara’s more diplomatic comment: “To date, the possibilities for dialogue have not yet been exhausted. If such opportunities are exhausted, then perhaps Ukraine will take advantage of some proposals. ”

Today, European politicians recalled civilized diplomatic rhetoric. Top speakers spoke about “restoring trust between Ukraine and the EU”, “reconciliation” and “consensus”, a round table of the opposition and the authorities, readiness to return to dialogue in matters of the economic situation. “We must restore confidence. We are open for negotiations, but we would also like to see specifics from the Ukrainian side. Now is the time for reconciliation, to show readiness to continue the dialogue, ”says Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkiavicius. Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski called the impeachment requirement a political mistake and urged the parties to calm down and make compromises. European Commissioner Stefan Fule also hopes for a happy ending - “not only to solve the problem of overuse when using force against demonstrators, but also… to resume the process that will lead to the signing of the Association Agreement. The Association Agreement is on the table, and we are ready to sign it when the Ukrainian side is ready, ”Füle reminded. Even Yanukovych, who was still silent today, declared his readiness to sit down at the national round table with the opposition, having previously consulted tomorrow with Kravchuk, Kuchma and Yushchenko - unless, of course, Yanukovych still has enough animal intuition not to commit irreparable.

The preoccupation and perplexity of European politicians can be explained - and not only by a late understanding of who they are dealing with. Real change Yanukovych is not ready yet. The topic of Tymoshenko in recent times has become just the necessary political correct background noise. European political managers are diligently avoiding meetings with Tyagnybok on the territory of Europe and on the political platforms of Ukraine. Uncharismatic Yatsenyuk, despite his ambitions, seems to be hostage to European concerns about Tymoshenko. Absolutely new heroes are not stabbed: in contrast to the fertile Ukrainian black soil, the Ukrainian political land has long been sprinkled with dead salt. On the other hand, winter compliments to Klitschko, which in Europe are not shy - the mouth of the sources of authoritative Der Spiegel - fell down with the title of Ukrainian heir to European values ​​and a worthy opponent of Yanukovych. “Klitschko is our man. He has a clear pro-European activity. ”

The same Sikorsky managed to compare Vitaly with Lech Walesa. Allegedly, in the very near future the boxer promises to completely upgrade, installing a new presidential software in time for the 2015 year. If re-election is carried out now, Klitschko will drown in the swamp of plums that compromise him. And, unfortunately, “Vitalik”, this newborn and very hungry swamp is ready to suck up not only 2 meters and 112 kg of Klitschko himself, but also all of his doubtfully suspicious colleagues on “Blow”. By 2015, the upgraded Klitschko may be able to pull in and lift up the super heavy presidential mace for now. A good leap in a few years: from the role of VIP bouncer to the president. If the views on Klitschko are really a strategy of Europe, and not the fleeting female whim of angels, then it looks cynical and shameless. Klitschko’s self-sufficiency as a politician and, in general, a conscious, responsible, rational person, is pointless to argue, and in the IQ sparring he is unlikely to defeat Yanukovych. But it turns out that the EU does not need a talented Ukrainian heir to European values ​​- there is enough retouched Pithecanthropus. You can, of course, reflect on the fact that even if this is so, by the hair, European politicians will drag Ukraine into the EU - from what president, if only it formally fits into the framework of the format. And there, you see, in the new conditions and new presidents will grow up. But all the events after Vilnius on Maidan demonstrated the glaring irresponsibility and short-sightedness of Europeans in raising an unloved, large and slobbering Ukrainian baby with bad signs of a genetic mutation. So, the new card in the image of the Nickname may also not be a trump card.

Responsibility on the scale of Maidan, let alone geopolitical scales, easily degenerates into a hindrance, a rudimentary attribute. The absence of this main engine of positive civilian changes was demonstrated by everyone: Yanukovych, Europe, the opposition, and maydanovtsy. The one who yesterday, in his ball of arms, wiggled his eyebrows and snapped “abyrvalg” on the air of the sports program - today in the first deputy ranks of Svoboda he proudly “takes the responsibility”. So far, only for beating sledgehammers with a monument to Lenin. At the same time, the “svobodovtsy” demonstrate not only responsibility, but also an enviable sequence: the stone brain of Lenin’s monument was taken as a souvenir, and the communist Fahrion did not even take the mandate for treason. Why not now plant an eagle on an empty ice pedestal, like a true continuer of Lenin's work? At the revived Slavic and European Chamber, responsible citizens dance to Ruslan. And with discordant polyphony, Katerynchuk, who has been promoted, is chosen to be a revolutionary commissar - a man who is not even responsible for his own “progressive” bills. After such a treacherously unexpected stab in the back from a colleague, the “Udarovsk” deputies were indignant at the veche's irresponsible decision: they say that this appointment was not coordinated with the opposition.

Today, Klitschko also spoke about responsibility in his video message to the people: “If blood is shed, all responsibility, all responsibility (here Klitschko scorned her face scornfully and meaningfully) will lie personally on Yanukovych.” Pshonka hinted at criminal liability for blocking entrances to administrative buildings. "Svobodovets" Aronets cried on his Facebook about the civil responsibility of Kiev: "Partnership! Meni zatelefonuvali know, scho pratsyuyut in Privat-Bank. Kerіvnitstvu bank said, just to all the staff Budinka ofіtserіv said negajno zalishati primishchennya, more in the evening at night at the day will be a siloviy rozgіn! Prokhannya before all kiyan priyahati nich, scab stink did not dare to drown on such a croc! "And he traditionally washed away:" Oskіlki I captured, I will be in online tilki in critical moments. " But what about the responsibility of experienced people who realize that the Maidan, driven into a dead end, should not drive Yanukovych into the corner, pushing him with his fists on the sides to the approving hooting of European and American officials? Responsibility burden heavy and dangerous, sometimes it is not a shame to remove it. If Yanukovych were a wit, he would come to the Maidan today or tomorrow and appeal: “Listen here, my people! I disclaim all responsibility. And I lay it on ... as his ... plebiscite. I declare a referendum: in the EU - yes or no, to take money from the IMF - or not, to raise utility tariffs for the population by 40% - or not, to issue Tymoshenko - or not. What decide on veche, and be. And I wash my hands. " Let the people decide: honestly, democratically, in a European, Slavic way.

And the Europeans will come as observers. Yes, and we observe it more interesting. And today we can play with fantasy. What will Europe do with the liberated Tymoshenko - merge or negotiate? Where does the trio go after the fury leaves the colony? It can be assumed that the first thing she put on a chain of Pyagnybok and his vampires - a fasting lunch and brain bone on holidays. "Batkivschintsah" will shoot through one, Yanukovych - will skip, not immediately (some civilization propriety must be observed): take cold dish, and pinch it off slowly, fingers ... Curtain, gentlemen!
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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde 10 December 2013 07: 49
    +9
    Well, the morning begins with the Maidan. Understood fellow
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 10 December 2013 07: 58
      +4
      Is Yanukovych and Azarov will be pulled?
      The day before yesterday I thought, everything, re-election, today I think, everything, the authorities will squeeze. what
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 08: 17
        +5
        Quote: mirag2
        The day before yesterday I thought, everything, re-election, today I think, everything, the authorities will squeeze.

        And it’s better not to think at all, it’s easier to stock up on pistachios and beer, make yourself comfortable in a chair and watch how the performance ends.
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 10 December 2013 08: 20
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          how to end the performance.

          Rally don't rally get anyway ., this will end for ordinary Ukrainians, but these will not leave themselves in trouble, will not be in poverty.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 08: 25
            +3
            Quote: avant-garde
            and these will not leave themselves in trouble, will not be in poverty.

            Yeah, if of course they manage to get down laughing
            A plane has been prepared at the Zhuliany metropolitan airport for a charter flight on the Kiev-Hamburg route

            “They called at about half-past six in the evening, they said that the leaders of EuroMaidan, as well as Alexander Turchinov and someone from the“ Fatherland ”would fly. We are preparing the board in "emergency mode," said a source in Zhulyany. It is possible that such a haste is due to the fact that half an hour before this it became known about the search that the SBU units carried out in the office of the Batkivshchyna party.
            http://www.versii.com/news/293005/
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 10 December 2013 10: 48
              +8
              I don’t know, maybe someone laid out, the actions of the Ukrainian "Tiger", the guys offset!
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 10 December 2013 12: 04
                +4
                Handsome

                Children from the Tiger could have been specially on camera, politely, so to speak, that:
                1. The deputy must be at work and engage in lawmaking, and not violate the rules of the road by blocking the street.
                2. Like any law-abiding citizen, he is obliged to comply with the requirements; he must not interfere with the police who are in execution. If anything, then for all claims he has a tribune in the Rada.
                Then, in 2-3 minutes of recording, again on the camera to summarize, malicious relapse and disobedience to requirements, twist and pack. To requisition the camera and continuing to shoot from it, go to his lackeys.
                The accomplices-servants politely, without beating (if they don’t start fighting), pull out of the car and sit behind the wheel, drive the car from the roadway. Taking this on camera, comment on the actions of the guys. Then, in order to avoid dissecting the video, pick it up for subsequent uploading to the Internet without cuts. After the camera return
                smile
                This is a polite option. When reinforcing the lackeys resistance, kick off. But no longer on camera.
          2. user
            user 10 December 2013 09: 34
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            how to end the performance.

            Relax and have fun.
          3. AVV
            AVV 10 December 2013 10: 38
            +4
            If Klitschko would have kept his deposits in Ukrainian banks, then he would not have been so assertive on the Maidan !!! But is it the future president who serves the West, makes money in the West, and keeps money in Western banks, and also lives in the same West !!! What kind of cadidat is this, a dummy duck, which only spoils the Maidan, and to the common people, like Yushchenko to the moon !!!
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 10 December 2013 09: 36
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          it’s easier to stock up on pistachios and beer, make yourself comfortable in an armchair and watch how the performance ends.

          Sasha hi ! buy more, another "movie" is plannedThe leader of the French National Front, Marine Le Pen, and the head of the Dutch Freedom Party, Gert Wilders, said that after the European Parliament elections, which will be held next spring, they will form a “European Alliance for Freedom”, uniting the nationalist parties of the EU.
          "From this moment," proclaimed the ultra-right, "the liberation of Europe from the self-proclaimed elite, the Brussels monster, which has long been no longer considered the interests of nations, begins." Le Pen and Wilders urge to abandon the current model of integration, which they dubbed the "globalist anomaly", and to return to the "continental bloc based on the cooperation of sovereign states."
          If the plot is interested then read the script here, bully
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 09: 45
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            buy more, another "movie" is planned

            Well, great, let's see another play. I hope the next act will be with a more intriguing scenario.
            Hi Vit hi
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 10 December 2013 10: 51
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, great, let's see another play. I hope the next act will be with a more intriguing scenario.
              Hi Vit


              You will not have an extra ticket? repeat
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 10: 52
                0
                Quote: seller trucks
                You will not have an extra ticket?

                The premiere visit is admission free. Watch and enjoy. wink
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 10 December 2013 11: 57
            +3
            Quote: Tersky
            they will form the “European Alliance for Freedom”, uniting the nationalist parties of the EU.

            Great news! The Germans will definitely catch up with the NDP, they are all sick of it - plowing on the south-black-nosed-bearded.
            Behind them, the Swedes and Norwegians, the Astrians will not stand aside.

            It is not excluded that Europe will be divided in the middle, along the "45th parallel", into "northern robots" and "southern suckers".
            And we'll see ....
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 10 December 2013 12: 58
              +1
              Behind them, the Swedes and Norwegians, the Astrians will not stand aside.

              Counter proposal to Europe: to release Breivik and allow him to run for the European Parliament from the alliance being created.
              He’s never a felon, like Julia in Ukraine. He is political and in opposition.
              wink
              I think he will not mind.
        3. Ptah
          Ptah 10 December 2013 11: 50
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          stock up on pistachios and beer, make yourself comfortable in an armchair and watch how the performance ends.

          I would, Sash, and did it, if it were on another continent or better planet. And then the neighbors, and not strangers.
          If a ride with them, they will definitely try to arrange such a mess in Russia.
          But, it seems, someone has already been removed there. Snow has begun, the frost has rolled. It was cold in the tents, but with the guitars. Snot and house-bells went home to warm.
          Good. Do not sprinkle the snow with the red .....
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 10 December 2013 19: 15
        0
        The day before yesterday I thought, everything, re-election, today I think, everything, the authorities will squeeze.


        ... do not pull - what do you have there for tomorrow ...
    2. Sterlya
      Sterlya 10 December 2013 08: 33
      +5
      The performance with the participation of Maydan Maydauns continues! I wonder what their descendants will say about them ?! or will also be so maidanutye that they won’t think anything
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 08: 50
        0
        Quote: Sterlya
        ! I wonder what their descendants will say about them ?! and

        About either good or nothing.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 10 December 2013 16: 11
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          About either good or nothing.

          most likely nothing good wink .
      2. Egoza
        10 December 2013 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: Sterlya
        I wonder what their descendants will say about them?

        They will be proud of the courage of their ancestors, sing rebel songs and curse her from Eastern Ukraine, who did not let them "panuvat"! am
  2. bairat
    bairat 10 December 2013 07: 56
    +7
    Tymoshenko, Klitschko, Tyagnibok, and Yanukovych himself - all of them IMHO dummies. They jumped out on a muddy wave, there is no work experience, only they can hang noodles on TV. IMHO here is a worthy leader for Ukraine - Mykola Azarov. Adequate, has extensive experience. I do not think that under him will be possible jumps of former leaders.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 08: 18
      +5
      Quote: bairat
      Here is a worthy leader for Ukraine - Mykola Azarov. Adequate, has extensive experience

      The concept of ADEQUATE for Ukrainian politicians does not exist.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 10 December 2013 09: 01
      +4
      Quote: bairat
      Here is a worthy leader for Ukraine - Mykola Azarov

      Brussels and Washington have a completely opposite opinion, they are more satisfied with yet another clown of the West, who has lived for 20 years in Germany and the United States, who will now have to save Ukraine from "sworn mosques." They were especially pleased with the opus "Yuscha numba tu" - "We will continue our struggle. ... The days of Yanukovych are numbered. " These are his words from an interview with one of the most popular German newspapers. And he added what's ahead - fights without rules ... thereby confirming that he is ready for sale, it's only a matter of money. And for such "needs" the EU and the US will certainly find them. Ukraine, ready for sale, the candidacy of the chief "manager" has been approved by the West.
    3. Osyris
      Osyris 10 December 2013 11: 15
      -2
      Clown!!!! And not a leader !!!
    4. Egoza
      10 December 2013 11: 35
      +4
      Quote: bairat
      Here is a worthy leader for Ukraine - Mykola Azarov.

      They will not allow it! Too smart! They don’t give him anyway! Yes, and does not know the Ukrainian language! fellow
      1. andrejwz
        andrejwz 10 December 2013 11: 41
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        Yes, and does not know the Ukrainian language!

        Bulgakov was very surprised (at one time) when he learned that such a thing exists.
    5. alone
      alone 10 December 2013 19: 04
      -1
      Quote: bairat
      IMHO here is a worthy leader for Ukraine - Mykola Azarov.


      This worthy is no less anointed by theft than those of the others listed. Yes, and frankly, it’s not for us to decide who to lead Ukraine. Let them figure out who they want and choose.
  3. biglow
    biglow 10 December 2013 07: 57
    +1
    Maidan merges, We will wait for the second series ... laughing
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 10 December 2013 08: 25
      +1
      Exactly. When they have the next elections there, that is the next series of the epic "They fought for democracy" is planned? lol
      1. Egoza
        10 December 2013 11: 36
        0
        Quote: Galich Kos
        When they have the next election there,

        By the rules - 2015, and we'll see, maybe earlier ...
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 10 December 2013 13: 55
          +6
          Here is a picture caught:
          1. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 15: 45
            0
            ))))))))))))) offset
          2. standby
            standby 11 December 2013 11: 34
            0
            Great picture! good
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  4. makarov
    makarov 10 December 2013 07: 59
    14
    The West is determined for itself, the East is for itself, and I would have to choose the right recipe for home-made sausage from pork with garlic, what I’ve written, and I myself am thinking about the crucial question: - Do with garlic, or without it 7 ??
    And Julia, shmul, etc., they will not disappear without me .... because I don’t have such global problems as the question of garlic ..
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 10 December 2013 08: 01
      +7
      Quote: makarov
      to do with garlic, or without it 7 ??

      Of course with garlic, meat without garlic is not meat yes
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor 10 December 2013 08: 06
        +6
        I love garlic, it smells like sausage.
    2. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 10 December 2013 08: 13
      +1
      Experiment with garlic in a small portion with liquid smoke.
      1. Galich Kos
        Galich Kos 10 December 2013 08: 42
        0
        You can’t do without garlic, garlic is THING!
        And yet, who defeated whom then?
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 10 December 2013 08: 46
          +6
          Quote: Galich Kos
          And yet, who defeated whom

          won the sausage with garlic judging by the survey laughing
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 10 December 2013 12: 01
            +1
            Quote: avant-garde
            won the sausage with garlic judging by the survey

            This means "monosodium glutamate" was not involved.
            He would do it all with one pinch. laughing
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 10 December 2013 12: 17
        0
        But I would refuse from liquid dima, oh smoke. Natural smoke is necessary. And tastier. laughing
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    4. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 08: 16
      0
      No way the partisans gathered with a sausage then.
    5. Tatarus
      Tatarus 10 December 2013 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      I soar in thoughts over the crucial question: - do with garlic, or without it 7 ??


      Here he is a bright representative of ukrov. My hut from the edge do not know anything.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 10 December 2013 12: 35
        +3
        "Smile, gentlemen! A clever face is not yet a sign of intelligence. The most stupid things were done with this very expression on your face. Smile, gentlemen ..."
        wink
      2. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 10 December 2013 15: 49
        +2
        )))) they began to chop cattle)) the Ukrainian night is quiet, but the fat is better to hide))
    6. avt
      avt 10 December 2013 10: 29
      +8
      Quote: makarov
      and I would choose the right recipe for home-made pork sausage with garlic,

      request Homemade without garlic! ?? This is ... like his ... VOLUNTARISM! laughing I would not even be afraid to say-some kind of Maidan.
    7. Egoza
      10 December 2013 11: 39
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      and I’m thinking about the crucial question: - do with garlic, or without it 7 ??

      Oh Makarov! found the problem! type in Google "homemade sausage recipe" and there will be a lot of recipes! (But garlic is better! wink )
    8. SHILO
      SHILO 10 December 2013 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      The West is determined by itself, the East is determined by itself, and I would have to choose the right recipe for home-made sausage from pork with garlic, which I


      Nikolay! Here is this proven and garlic present!
      http://www.koolinar.ru/recipe/view/34167
  5. Azzi
    Azzi 10 December 2013 08: 01
    +1
    Decisiveness is not enough for all participants in the confrontation. It is a pity there is no third party with Aurora on the Dnieper.
    1. Normal
      Normal 10 December 2013 08: 46
      +2
      Quote: Azzi
      with Aurora on the Dnieper.

      Local specifics - a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine.
  6. ImPerts
    ImPerts 10 December 2013 08: 01
    11
    There will be no repetition of 2004 As in Aesop's story about a boy, a sheep and a wolf: "One boy herded sheep; and every now and then running up the hill, he shouted:" Help! Wolf! "
    The peasants escaped and found that he had deceived them.
    And when the wolf actually appeared, and the boy began to scream, then no one
    He did not believe him and did not come to his aid, and the wolf began to destroy his sheep "
    What has happened in 2004 and the following years has not been forgotten.
    The main thing for Yanukovych is to play for time. The people will figure it out and calm down. the bulk of the protesters are not supporters of Euromaidan. What is happening in Kiev resembles Bolotnaya, and the "leaders" of the Maidan resemble the same swan, crayfish and pike that tried to make a storm in Moscow.
    Presidential boxer ... Yatsenyuk will be offended, Tyagnibok will not forgive. He would have to consult with Nemtsov how beautifully to merge his defeat and earn another year (approximately). Revolutsionery figov.
    But the "professional" is not a way out of the situation. It seems to me that his "tossing between the people and the presidium" is only worse for us.
    We need another leader of pro-Russian orientation.
    1. Normal
      Normal 10 December 2013 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: ImPerts
      He would have to consult with Nemtsov how beautifully to merge his defeat and earn a profit for another year (approximately).

      .....
      Quote: Cherdak
      In particular, Nemtsov himself was detained,

      Quote: Normal December 3, 2013 01:36 | European Commissioners and Nenko Ukraine
      For what???!!! belay
      Man does business! If somewhere it is necessary to compromise and "drain" the protest, then it is impossible to invent a better performer. It is not necessary to detain Nemtsov, but to supply him with money and send him to Kiev in a sealed carriage. In a week, Euromaidan will be chatted and handed over! Borenka knows her hamster business. laughing
    2. nikolaev
      nikolaev 20 December 2013 17: 45
      0
      "... They would have to consult with Nemtsov how" there in the toilet.
  7. alexng
    alexng 10 December 2013 08: 07
    +6
    Something in the world is not going on. The West seems to have completely embraced schizophrenia.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 10 December 2013 08: 25
      0
      Quote: alexneg
      The West seems to have completely embraced schizophrenia.

      And the reason for this schizophrenia is the actions of Putin’s team)).
      1. Normal
        Normal 10 December 2013 08: 55
        +1
        Quote: ctepx
        actions of the Putin team)).

        And Putin is also to blame for the schizophrenia of the West (the cat left the kittens ...) ??? belay
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 10 December 2013 09: 05
          +2
          Quote: Normal
          And Putin is also to blame for Western schizophrenia (

          Putin’s team is playing against the Fed’s owners team)). And until he loses.
          1. Galich Kos
            Galich Kos 10 December 2013 09: 17
            +1
            The West seems to have "done it" again. The trend is however.
            1. Egoza
              10 December 2013 11: 42
              0
              Quote: Galich Kos
              The West seems to have "done it" again.

              The West is already shouting that it is ready to sign the association! And give money! Just sign up!
          2. Normal
            Normal 10 December 2013 09: 27
            +1
            Quote: ctepx
            Putin's team plays against the Fed owners team

            So here it is! ... So, playing as part of the Fed (it is widely believed among visitors that the Central Bank of Russia is almost the structure of the Fed), according to the rules of the Fed and in the interests of the Fed, Putin’s team undermines this structure, so to speak, from the inside? So - you can’t fight, you need to organize and lead? Bring to the point of absurdity and the exact opposite? :)))
            Well then, we are waiting for Himself (or who of his team) will head (become one of the hosts) the Fed or become at least the president of the USA! laughing
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 10 December 2013 14: 19
              0
              Quote: Normal
              Well then, we wait when Sam (or who of his team) will head (become one of the hosts) the Fed

              What are you ?! From Spartak to CSKA do not go)). Like, however, and vice versa)).
  8. awg75
    awg75 10 December 2013 08: 08
    10
    to elect a short-sighted person with broken brains as president ... I think nonsense of course, but if this happens, then the people of Ukraine are completely worthy of such a ruler
    1. Normal
      Normal 10 December 2013 08: 58
      +3
      Quote: awg75
      to elect a near-minded person with broken brains as president ..


      For the best - this is it!

      Quote: awg75
      - then the people of Ukraine are fully worthy of such a ruler


      As you know, every nation has the power that it deserves.
    2. Egoza
      10 December 2013 11: 44
      +2
      Quote: awg75
      to elect a near-minded person with broken brains for president ... I think nonsense of course,

      You're right! DO NOT CHOOSE !!!! Even the mayor of Kiev will not be elected!
  9. biglow
    biglow 10 December 2013 08: 11
    +2
    Ukraine is lucky in that everything happens without sacrifices ... As they say in Ukraine - what kind of power, such a revolution ... To a toothless power, the same kind of revolution relies, with three clowns instead of leaders ... Although the leaders of the Swamp turned out to be the same mediocrity ....
    Russia has already run out of reserves of revolutions, and this also applies to Little Russia ...
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 10 December 2013 09: 44
      0
      interesting, but how did you calculate that Russia has run out of stock? Can you tell me where this calculator is, is it already a pension?
  10. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 10 December 2013 08: 16
    +2
    Quote: makarov
    The West is determined for itself, the East is for itself, and I would have to choose the right recipe for home-made sausage from pork with garlic, what I’ve written, and I myself am thinking about the crucial question: - Do with garlic, or without it 7 ??
    And Julia, shmul, etc., they will not disappear without me .... because I don’t have such global problems as the question of garlic ..

    With garlic naturally!
  11. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 10 December 2013 08: 19
    +1
    Vitales, this is the same Ssakashvili, but only with a broken head, and a broken head, may envy Ukraine, away from Georgia!
  12. Bigriver
    Bigriver 10 December 2013 08: 21
    +3
    The State Department survived from the mind wassat
    The United States called on Russia to peacefully resolve the situation in Ukraine.
    The US Embassy in Russia called on the Kremlin to promote a peaceful resolution to the situation in Ukraine.
    Nuland clearly explained to her Russian colleagues that the US supports Ukraine’s choice in favor of Europe.
    The United States also advocates a non-violent and political solution to the situation in Kiev, as well as the restoration of the country's economic well-being with the support of the IMF.
    http://lb.ua/news/2013/12/09/245640_ssha_prizvali_rossiyu_mirno.html

    Probably in Russian, it sounds like this:
    Splash Russian vodka, huh? We grabbed a piece of Ukraine, but cannot swallow.
    1. Normal
      Normal 10 December 2013 09: 09
      +2
      Quote: BigRiver
      The State Department survived from the mind
      The United States called on Russia to peacefully resolve the situation in Ukraine.
      The US Embassy in Russia called on the Kremlin to promote a peaceful resolution to the situation in Ukraine.
      Nuland clearly explained to her Russian colleagues that the US supports Ukraine’s choice in favor of Europe.

      So after all, the West needs UkrAin only so that it would in no way be reunited with Russia. There is no other meaning in the existence of the outskirts as a separate state. Moreover, UkrAin is not interested in Europe as an equal member of the European Union, there already they don’t know where to put their Bulgarian-Romanian-Baltic-Poles.
      But the fact that the Russian leadership does nothing to return the outskirts to Russia should at least reflect on whether such statesmen are in power.
  13. taseka
    taseka 10 December 2013 08: 21
    +3
    I called my friends in Ukraine and asked one question - "What the hell is going on with you?"
    Answer No.1-I got the power of thieves and grabbers under the roof of Yanukovych and spit on the EU.
    Answer №2-The people stupidly want to go to Europe, because they have already visited Russia and the asshole is complete!
    Answer №3-All the goats and those and others!
    Answer # 4-The coup against Russia, for the money of Europe and the United States - WILL STOP PAYING AND THE "REVOLUTION" WILL STOP!
    Answer No. 5 - There is nothing to do with politics, the economic clans of the oligarchs of Ukraine are fighting among themselves, who absolutely do not care about the political system, Eurointegration and the presidents - they live well and comfortably under any government!
    Answer No. 6-Students and homeless people with Natsik - they feed, drink, pay, and it’s just fun, shout yourself and strum at the evenings on the guitar - a kind of adventure !!!
    Answer №7-To the people all this is already mortally tired, so that they all die!
    1. user
      user 10 December 2013 09: 37
      +2
      "Answer No. 2-The people stupidly want to go to Europe because they have already been under Russia and the ass is complete!"

      That’s what they say, because they haven’t been under Europe yet.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 10 December 2013 12: 41
        0
        "Answer No. 2-The people stupidly want to go to Europe because they have already been under Russia and the ass is complete!"

        That’s what they say, because they haven’t been under Europe yet.

        And because
        Answer # 4-The coup against Russia, for the money of Europe and the United States - WILL STOP PAYING AND THE "REVOLUTION" WILL STOP!

        These are two sides of the same pedal.
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 10 December 2013 09: 47
      +2
      Most of all I liked the answer number seven.
  14. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 10 December 2013 08: 22
    +1
    As rightly pointed out by the author [i] [i]... A real change to Yanukovych is not yet ready ...[/ i [/ i]] and they will prepare this shift both in Russia and in Brussels + Washington.And all the current "politicians" are already in exchange.
  15. VADEL
    VADEL 10 December 2013 08: 27
    +1
    In the case of Ukraine joining the Euro-chicken house and the boxer came to power, it would be interesting to see: - how long he will stay in this ring until a knockout, and after what time the Slav brothers will make her impoverished smile
  16. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 December 2013 08: 28
    +2
    The Maidan, like the swamp, is blown away .. There are no real (adequate) leaders for whom the people would go so gulped alone .. After a week, everything will calm down! Seem from geyevropy seem .. drinks
  17. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 10 December 2013 08: 28
    +2
    The situation went through a hot peak, the continuation will be in the courts, the LJ wrote, the opposition leaders are holding the plane because there was a lot of compromising material collected from their headquarters. There are enough videos for rebellion and resistance. But the main thing is not these puppets, but those who feed them with money and first of all, their local oligarchs. There will be a big redistribution, since there is a legitimate reason. Here are the presidents of Ukraine who will gather and share their skins, who are not to be taken away. It is just time for Ukraine to switch from odigarchy to statehood with reliance on an ally.
  18. Bigriver
    Bigriver 10 December 2013 08: 32
    +1
    It is not clear why our bog leaders did not rush to Ukraine to earn points.
    With the exception of Dzhigurda, none of ours are ours.
    Really to all of them so ny.a pinched repeat
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 10 December 2013 08: 54
      +1
      Quote: BigRiver
      Really to all of them so ny.a pinched

      Why pinched. So carnations, chains ... in short, they will not go far.
    2. IGS
      IGS 10 December 2013 09: 09
      +2
      If they rushed, then in Russia they would have nothing to catch, even their "electorate" would not support such a thing, and even on a par with Saakashvili, this is completely overkill, which means that they will not be dumped from the west anymore. And where are they then? To Ukraine? In Ukraine, there are enough screamers of their own, the competition is hefty, they will eat them without garlic. laughing
    3. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 10 December 2013 12: 43
      +1
      Why do you think it was some woodpecker who nailed his moorings to the paving stones of Red Square? This is he according to the principle: "oh, let me go, I myself ..."
  19. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 10 December 2013 08: 40
    +4
    from the Don.
    Watching what was happening, I thought this! If, relatively speaking, the population of Ukraine, living in the east, south and center, Russian-speaking are us, then how would WE react to the same events in our country? How long can I compress the spring dissatisfaction, patience? Or in us (US) loans, glamor,: my hut from the edge:, killed a sense of self-sacrifice? Well. The moment of truth comes for us (US)!
  20. Tatarus
    Tatarus 10 December 2013 08: 53
    +1
    After 2015

    Well, how is Ukraine?
    So they have a boxer president.
    Did you get a lot on the head?
    As I understand it, yes.
    So he is d * ibi * l. Where did the people look?
    So choose the one who is closer, clearer and dearer. laughing

    Ukrainians come to your senses. You have your homeland
    Quote: makarov
    and I would choose the right recipe for home-made pork sausage with garlic
    dream of satisfying a bread slicer. Pimp the country and I understand that there is no Ukrainian nation, there is a crowd of champing animals.
    1. st.lt
      st.lt 10 December 2013 17: 40
      +1
      See for yourself. Was in St. Petersburg: an oil painting, Gaster and Caucasians are sitting at the tables of the summer cafe, all Russians are behind the flock of homeless people. Why so, and Velikorosy?
  21. makarov
    makarov 10 December 2013 09: 21
    +9
    Quote: Tatarus
    Quote: makarov
    I soar in thoughts over the crucial question: - do with garlic, or without it 7 ??


    Here he is a bright representative of ukrov. My hut from the edge do not know anything.


    Actually, I am a Russian namesake, and apart from a modest pensioner who is on a well-deserved rest. You don’t know me, nor who I am, what I did in my life, what services I have to society, then the hell do you make your own shitty fabrications, poisoning the holy word "sausage" with this.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 10 December 2013 13: 52
      +1
      How do you put a youngster in place, me. Already a sight for sore eyes.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 10 December 2013 14: 26
        +1
        Ento youthful maximalism. What makes immune to irony and humor.
  22. 222222
    222222 10 December 2013 09: 21
    +1
    Huh their huh ..
    Vitaliy Klitschko
    Since 1995 he began to engage in amateur boxing.
    From November 1996 to December 2005 and from October 2008 to September 2012 in the professional ring
    The brothers signed a contract with Universum Box-Promotion and entered into the care of the German coach Fritz Zdunek.
    The first fights of Vitaly and his brother were held only in Germany.
    -Advisor to the President of Ukraine (2006-2008) (Third President of Ukraine Yushchenko from 2005 to 2010)
    - Hero of Ukraine (і handed to the Order of Derzhavi, 31 chestnuts 2004 rock) [4];
    Order of Merit I Art. (2008), III art. (Zhovten 1999)
    Order “For manhood” I art. (quarter 2004 rock);
    The letter of honor to the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine (grass 2004 rock).
    Order "For Merit to the Federal Republic of Nimechchina" (2010 red rock).

    "KYIV, 4 Dec - RIA Novosti, Viktor Avdeenko. German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle on Wednesday visited the Kiev Independence Square, where the rally of opponents of the Ukrainian authorities' policy continues, the website of the opposition party" Batkivshchyna "reports.
    Together with Westerwelle, the leader of the Batkivshchyna parliamentary faction Arseniy Yatsenyuk and the leader of the UDAR opposition party Vitali Klitschko arrived on the Maidan. "
    1. user
      user 10 December 2013 09: 39
      +2
      That's who Mazepa is.
  23. ochakow703
    ochakow703 10 December 2013 09: 34
    +4
    It's sad to look at all this. What happened to respectable, hardworking and freedom-loving Ukrainians ??? Guys, you are just like prostitutes under a geyropu ready to lie down. Or maybe try to heal yourself hospitable. To disperse all this scum with braids and boxing brains to a single hair dryer. Something among the glorious people of Ukraine there is not a single smart !? Oh, damn it ...
  24. VasDA
    VasDA 10 December 2013 09: 46
    +1
    I look on-line Maidan .. it snowed ... students play snowballs ... people already have 150 people at the stage ... probably still sleeping ....)))
    1. VasDA
      VasDA 10 December 2013 14: 15
      0
      Oh how ...
      The following inscription appeared on the picture ...

      We have been broadcasting on-line for 11 days already.
      On Maidani, it’s very hard to drown out the signal. We need the Dodatkov technology.
      Imagine us financially r / r516 ................... Privatbank.
  25. morpogr
    morpogr 10 December 2013 10: 01
    +3
    Now, former friends on the Maidan will begin, they will remember everything that was and wasn’t Klitschko, and even that he was gay because he was filming an erotic session for a magazine and he walked around the Maidan by the arm with his hand. And he lives in Germany and the business there, it remains only to say that the Germans brought him to Kiev in a sealed carriage.
  26. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 10 December 2013 10: 32
    +4
    Quote: morpogr
    Now, former friends on the Maidan will begin, they will remember everything that was and wasn’t Klitschko, and even that he was gay because he was filming an erotic session for a magazine and he walked around the Maidan by the arm with his hand. And he lives in Germany and the business there, it remains only to say that the Germans brought him to Kiev in a sealed carriage.


    So here they are! Real fighting pid..asy !!!
  27. Powder donut
    Powder donut 10 December 2013 10: 58
    +3
    Personally, I am upset about this whole situation because the politicians of Ukraine do not have pride, but even more upset that they are the same Slavs as I, and behave like prostitutes. I apologize to those who unwittingly offended. Yes, I understand that many do not like Russia Putin (both domestically and abroad), but I would be disgusted to behave in this way.
    Ukraine is an independent state but at the same time begins to extort money from us or from Europe. From it you can pull the booblo and give nothing in return. For a long time it is necessary to understand that only large countries with a large territory with a strong army of militia can be free, while small countries need to be with whom and it’s impossible to drag out a choice.
  28. standby
    standby 10 December 2013 11: 03
    +2
    Let's observe! laughing As it seems, the maydanutye were blown away, their leaders were rather fucked up than "got up", the government (with all the minuses) had the strength to resist and not wag its tail "both ours and yours" ... While everything is in our hands! And most importantly, with the position of "complete non-interference" of Russia. And really, why ?! They already blame Moscow for everything - the mentality, what can you say ?! The next time, it may not be so good, in the near future, it is worthwhile to think about finding sound pro-Russian leaders and providing them with support, if they were, and I think it will not be the matter of the majority's choice!
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 20 December 2013 18: 24
      0
      help, of course, needed! There is a lot of money working from the West!
  29. Jarilo
    Jarilo 10 December 2013 11: 52
    +1
    I thought that in order to become president, you must be at least a decent person, not to mention how to study for a long time, and then just as long as an apprentice with real craftsmen, so as not to break firewood. It turns out no. Maybe anybody at all. But basically the same story with America. And why Klitschko, there they all disowned their electorate, which drenched the police, who will vote for him?
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 20 December 2013 18: 28
      0
      Of course anyone! Indeed, for the West, the dumber the better - all the same, they will do everything for it! More precisely, they will do their work for themselves, they don’t need a president for this, therefore, the stupidity of the future president of Ukraine in their eyes is a great advantage for the applicant!
  30. Black
    Black 10 December 2013 11: 57
    0
    Curtain, gentlemen!

    Bravo, author !!!! Amazing feather!
  31. mithridate
    mithridate 10 December 2013 12: 01
    +3
    Ukraine has never been an independent state; there are no traditions of statehood. Leaving the Union, they cried for independence. And who is shouting about independence now? It turns out that initially all the same, it was not independence that was needed, but Europe? .. The fifth column of dissidents showed itself to the full
    1. Black
      Black 10 December 2013 12: 19
      0
      Quote: Mithridates
      Ukraine has never been an independent state; there are no traditions of statehood.


      So what? Kazakh, Azerbaijani, Belarusian statehood can be recognized as ancient if you are Kazakh, Azerbaijani, Belarusian, but this does not prevent these entities from behaving with dignity in both domestic and foreign policy. Unlucky Ukraine with a leader. The first is a felon, the second is Saki’s godfather, the third is a pine-tree circle in the ice hole. And without Boxer, the country is in grog.
  32. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 10 December 2013 12: 43
    0
    <<< Finally, the main intrigue has finally become clear: what the West really thinks about Yulia Tymoshenko and is it going to cooperate with her as a hypothetical future president of Ukraine. The final answer is no. >>>
    For the West, Julia, no matter how much she and her followers fuss, is a completely chewed chewing gum that just remains to spit out!
  33. Azzi
    Azzi 10 December 2013 16: 02
    +2
    From time to time, I asked myself a question, and what exactly is in this association of this kind, I theoretically understand what this threatens Ukraine, but I would like to specify it eats, but at least minimally. A superficial analysis of the Internet gives no results, there is only one demagogy, there is no time in depth. Today inadvertently I saw at the Goblin, hmm ...
    Now about the dreams of Ukrainian agricultural producers in connection with the inevitable transformation of the state into a raw materials appendage. If in recent years Ukraine exported 3 million tons of wheat grain to Europe, now wheat supplies to the EU will be limited to one million. Of the 300 thousand tons of sugar that Ukraine is able to sell to the European Union, it will be allowed to supply 10 times less! Similar restrictions are provided for all types of agricultural products. What is not surprising - agricultural wars for quotas do not subside even between full EU members. In addition, for 24 groups of agricultural products, Ukraine is obliged to annually reduce the export duty by one percent, down to zero. By the way, for other types of raw materials, including products of primary metal processing, Ukraine is obliged immediately after the entry into force of the Agreement to establish export duties half as much as those that it managed to defend in the negotiations on accession to the WTO. And within 7-10 years and completely bring to zero.


    http://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051612987

    If this is true, well, at least a third, one thing remains, just lie down to die (s). Classical colony, real loss of sovereignty for beads and fire water. If this document will be fully implemented, as the author points out, then pi-ts, it’s not even possible to find words for such a twist, and all this even without a hint of joining the European Union.
  34. APASUS
    APASUS 10 December 2013 21: 44
    +1
    Julia - leaked!
    Europe Appoints New President - Vitali Klitschko?
    God forbid such a president, he is disabled on his head! He is a maximum physical education teacher at the institute.
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 20 December 2013 18: 34
      +1
      Julia on the Christmas tree!
  35. nikolaev
    nikolaev 20 December 2013 18: 36
    0
    EXCELLENT ARTICLE! ALL FOURS FOR!
    ADD
    I WILL BELIEVE YANUKOVICH, YES AND, PLEASE, ALL UKRAINE IF IF YOU WILL BEGIN TO WITHDRAW CAPITAL FROM OFFSHORES (I NEED TO PROTECT IT FROM THE WEST!), IF I PROHIBIT FASCISM, JUVENAL AND I WILL RESPOND TO YOUR RESIDENCE! THEN IT IS REAL AND THE SECOND DATE. TO LEAVE ANY CAPITAL IN THE WEST - TOTAL Nonsense! TO FIND WHAT IT IS POSSIBLE, OTHERWISE, EARLY OR LATE, EVERYONE WILL BE FORGOTTEN. And IN UKRAINE, THEN YOU CAN DEPLOY, AT LEAST, THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY OF PROTECTION! LADY OF THE OLIGARCH OF UKRAINE, YOU HAVE A CASE WITH CRIMINALS MUCH MORE Sophisticated THAN YOU. THEY HAVE ANY SUITABLE SPECIAL SERVICES, AND THE MOST POWERFUL ARMY IN THE WORLD! WELL YOURSELF TELL THE POSITION OF THE HAND ON THE HEART (WHERE IS IT YOU HERE?): WOULD YOU LOSE SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIP SUFFERS? THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS! IN THIS CASE YOUR INTERESTS AND INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE MATCH! MATCH ALSO WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE POWERFUL COUNTRY OF RUSSIA! TOGETHER WE WILL BE MORE STRONG! NO OTHER EXIT! FOR OTHERWAY, GORBACHEV'S OPTION REMAINS BUT BEFORE IT
    DON'T GET TIME! I AM NOT SURE THAT EVERYTHING WILL ALSO WITH YOU. NOW ALL MASKS are RIPPED AND EVERYTHING CLEAR.
  36. nikolaev
    nikolaev 20 December 2013 18: 53
    0
    I WILL BELIEVE YANUKOVICH, YES AND, PLEASE, ALL UKRAINE IF IF YOU WILL BEGIN TO WITHDRAW CAPITAL FROM OFFSHORES (I NEED TO PROTECT IT FROM THE WEST!), IF I PROHIBIT FASCISM, JUVENAL AND I WILL RESPOND TO YOUR RESIDENCE! THEN IT IS REAL AND THE SECOND DATE. TO LEAVE ANY CAPITAL IN THE WEST - TOTAL Nonsense! TO FIND WHAT IT IS POSSIBLE, OTHERWISE, EARLY OR LATE, EVERYONE WILL BE FORGOTTEN. And IN UKRAINE, THEN YOU CAN DEPLOY, AT LEAST, THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY OF PROTECTION! LADY OF THE OLIGARCH OF UKRAINE, YOU HAVE A CASE WITH CRIMINALS MUCH MORE Sophisticated THAN YOU. THEY HAVE ANY SUITABLE SPECIAL SERVICES, AND THE MOST POWERFUL ARMY IN THE WORLD! WELL YOURSELF TELL THE POSITION OF THE HAND ON THE HEART (WHERE IS IT YOU HERE?): WOULD YOU LOSE SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIP SUFFERS? THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS! IN THIS CASE YOUR INTERESTS AND INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE MATCH! MATCH ALSO WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE POWERFUL COUNTRY OF RUSSIA! TOGETHER WE WILL BE MORE STRONG! NO OTHER EXIT! FOR OTHERWAY, GORBACHEV'S OPTION REMAINS LIKE KADDAFI-HUSSEIN'S OPTION - BIN LADEN-MILOSHEVICH! SO IT IS BETTER TO BE WITH PEOPLE! IN THIS CASE THE PEOPLE IS YOUR PROTECTION! AT ALL TIMES IT WAS.