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The prince is often in Moscow

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3 December on the site of the President of Russia There was a short report that Vladimir Putin received in Saudi Arabia the Prince of Saudi Arabia Bandar bin Sultan in Novo-Ogaryovo. The note said that the parties discussed the situation in the Middle East and North Africa and, among other things, noted the positive dynamics in resolving the Iranian nuclear issue. Also, the Prince and the President of the Russian Federation exchanged views on the situation around Syria, referring, among other things, to preparations for the “Geneva-2”. This is all that is officially known about the negotiations.


The prince is often in Moscow


The background of these latest negotiations is extremely complex. First of all, for Saudi Arabia. That is why the prince, the chief scout of the kingdom, and often paid visits to Putin. The United States and the West in general are retreating from Syria, changing their line, but the Kremlin keeps the brand as before. Even Qatar today - and that maneuvers, offering Syria to restore diplomatic relations, and there and give money to restore the destroyed country. The United States abandoned the idea with the Tomahawks, and the aggressive British Prime Minister Cameron had not yet been supported by his native parliament. Assad is supported by internal Kurds (militias), and Hezbollah and Iran from outside. According to the latest reports News, the Syrian army regained control of the Damascus-Homs strategic highway. This will allow the removal of chemical weapon to Latakia. That is, conditions are being created for the consistent chemical disarmament of Damascus. The successes of the government forces in Syria are such that the “moderate opposition” (SSA) has started talking about the likely unification with the Assad army - in order to jointly oppose Islamist militants from terrorist groups that are going to build Sharia in Syria, and for the time being are kidnapping, kidnapping, robbery . Guns and money militants receive just from the Saudis.

The other day, the United States admitted that terrorist groups were operating in Syria, but in order not to offend Riyadh, they placed the blame on the al-Qaeda cells on ... Assad. State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters: “This is because of the situation created by the regime itself. The brutal suppression of peaceful protests has just created the conditions for the prosperity of Al-Qaida-affiliated groups in Syria, for the actions of terrorists. ”

It is clear that at the forefront of democratic Riyadh, with which Washington wants to maintain allied relations, it would not be desirable to dump the phenomenon of bearded men in Syria. Moreover, Saudi Arabia recently disassociated itself from the United States, as they say, in full - even the US Secretary of State John Kerry’s visit in November did not help, assuring Foreign Secretary Prince Saud al-Faisal that Washington considers relations with Riyadh to be strong and durable . The Saudis are still outraged by the White House’s refusal from the military operation against Syria (and Riyadh offered to sponsor this operation), as well as being outraged by the Six’s agreement with Iran. Hence the union of Riyadh and Tel Aviv (Israel is also dissatisfied with the state of affairs in the Middle East). As for Assad's “guilt” in the appearance of terrorists, this “gingerbread” does not soften the blow of the whip. Monarchist Wahhabis feel bad about Shiites; the first really want to crush the second. To do this, in Jordan on the Saudi money trains today 50-thousandth army. But it is doubtful that Riyadh decided to erase the borders in the Middle East in such a way. Until the Washington, London and Paris, the Saudis are far away.

The blogger and analyst El Murid said in an interview "Free Press"that the talks at the talks between Putin and bin Sultan could have been about certain political agreements.

Putin is concerned about the security of the Olympics in Sochi, and Bandar bin Sultan can guarantee the security of the Games if Russia makes concessions on Syria. The terrorist attacks during the Olympics would have hit the president’s reputation a lot, especially since “the attitude towards the Games is rather heavy in the country,” said a popular blogger.

In exchange for his guarantees, the prince would like to participate in the process of separation of powers in Damascus. Apparently, El Murid believes, Saudi Arabia has agreed that the Geneva-2 will take place. The conference will trade for Syrian ministerial portfolios. Hence, Prince Bandar’s task is to get Putin to give one of the power ministries to the Syrian opposition: either intelligence or Al-Mukhabarat.

So what is this, surrender to Syria? Hardly.

"It's a difficult question. We, like the Saudis, are not satisfied with Iran’s excessively strengthening in the Middle East, so that it remains the sole master of the situation in the region. Russia is interested in creating a counterweight to Tehran, and therefore destroying the position of Saudi Arabia is completely out of hand.

A more difficult game is possible here than just surrendering Syria. We will certainly not hand it over. But at the same time, we do not want Tehran’s positions in Damascus to be comparable with ours. Therefore, we can easily allow Saudi Arabia to Syria through the Saudi-controlled Syrian opposition. And try on the contradictions between Riyadh and Tehran to stand their own game. "


What kind of game is it?

“Tehran wants to stretch the gas pipeline to the west. A year ago, the Iranians announced the construction of a Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline with the prospect of connecting it with the Egyptian gas pipeline Arab Gas Pipeline. The design capacity of the Iranian gas pipeline is 40 billion cubic meters of gas per year, which is comparable to our Nord Stream (55 billion). Moreover, out of these 40 billions of “cubes,” Iranians are planning to sell 30-35 billion directly in the Middle East — to Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Turkey. This is a lot of money. ”


As for the opposition, controlled by the Saudis, they are unlikely to slow down the construction of the gas pipeline. According to the blogger, they will try to bring their people into the leadership of the Syrian section of the gas pipeline in order to partially control it. And in the section of the gas market, Russia has its own global economic interest, said El Murid. Riyadh should start from the security ministry in Syria - and the Saudis will try to build their positions on Geneva-2 through Russia.

The other day, we add, the SSA commander, General Idris, publicly refused to leave Bashar al-Assad before the talks in Geneva. Now it is no longer an indispensable condition for the participation of moderate opposition in the conference. Idris clarified that the withdrawal could occur “at the end of the negotiation process” when the SSA will join forces with the government army in order to stand against the Islamic militants in a united front.

In this scenario, the forces of Riyadh is unlikely to wait for indulgences from the Kremlin. The end of the “negotiation process” can be delayed until the 2014 year - right before the presidential elections in Syria. And there the Syrian people will decide who will be the next head of state.

The concession to political blackmailers is the lot of the weak. It is impossible to imagine that Putin will be led by Prince Bandar (if the speech at the meeting in Novo-Ogaryovo was generally about the Olympics). Mr. Obama did not yield to the Republicans from Congress at the time when the government was "turned off", and Putin will succumb to the "guarantee" of the prince?

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  1. Volkhov
    Volkhov 11 December 2013 07: 55
    -41 qualifying.
    The Arabs have a lot of money - there is a version that the prince bought 2 aircraft carriers (Kuznetsova and Vikramaditya) for the war with Iran ... electronic transfers are so fast.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 08: 33
      40
      Quote: Volkhov
      - there is a version that the prince bought 2 aircraft carriers (Kuznetsova and Vikramaditya)

      You need to drink less, then there will be no such versions.
      1. Army1
        Army1 11 December 2013 20: 03
        +1
        The prince wants us to merge Syria, and we will have no problems at the Olympics, and indeed in the Caucasus. (In terms of terrorists)
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 12 December 2013 01: 36
          +1
          Quote: Army1
          The prince wants us to merge Syria, and we will have no problems at the Olympics, and indeed in the Caucasus. (In terms of terrorists)


          It's like selling cabbage soup yesterday ... Get the prince into a Peugeot! We will have no problems with the Olympics and the Caucasus without him, just in general.
      2. AVV
        AVV 11 December 2013 23: 33
        0
        Yes, he does not drink, he pricks, is it not visible ??? Nonsense!
      3. timer
        timer 11 December 2013 23: 41
        0
        agree with the comment
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 11 December 2013 08: 36
      +1
      Quote: Volkhov
      The Arabs have a lot of money - there is a version that the prince bought 2 aircraft carriers (Kuznetsova and Vikramaditya) for the war with Iran ... electronic transfers are so fast.

      "Translate" (c) movie "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears"
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 11 December 2013 08: 46
        -6
        http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312092257-tzbd.htm
        Somehow the boat came back sadly, it looked like it was.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 11 December 2013 08: 52
          +3
          Quote: Volkhov
          http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312092257-tzbd.htm
          Somehow the boat came back sadly, it looked like it was.

          Do not smoke in the morning, then there will be no depression. wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 09: 04
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You need to drink less

            Quote: Vladimirets
            Don't smoke in the morning

            Well, something like this goes by a person's day laughing
            1. Beast
              Beast 13 December 2013 21: 35
              0
              Somehow the person thumps incorrectly. More fun should be, with a twinkle, accordion and red girls.
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    3. rolik
      rolik 11 December 2013 14: 35
      0
      Quote: Volkhov
      The Arabs have a lot of money - there is a version that the prince bought 2 aircraft carriers (Kuznetsova and Vikramaditya) for the war with Iran

      And what did he pay with ... camels)))) wassat
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 11 December 2013 16: 59
        -1
        Their camels are sacred ... and in the Russian Federation there is nothing sacred - loot came and ate.
    4. canxnumx
      canxnumx 11 December 2013 21: 11
      0
      Yes, also the cruiser "Moscow" and "Peter the Great".
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 12 December 2013 01: 15
        0
        Cruiser sales schedule:
        - Moscow 11.07. 13
        - Varyag 17.08
        - Peter the Great 09.09
        - Ukraine 04.11
        - Kuznetsov + Vikramaditya 05.12
        it's like in a supermarket - the liquidation of the Soviet collection.
    5. DimychDV
      DimychDV 12 December 2013 09: 02
      0
      And "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk" for him in China were re-profiled into orbital oil-shielding rocket racks. Ani has already been launched by the Chinese under the guise of pirate rocket launches. With a pump: threw the shilang out of orbit, pumped up oil, loaded the rockets - harashyo-oh, then flew a little to Filarida, again drove extra oil along the shilang, yeah? Oil ticket - does money, huh?
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 08: 00
    35
    Putin is concerned about the security of the Olympics in Sochi, and Bandar bin Sultan can guarantee the security of the Games if Russia makes concessions on Syria. The terrorist attacks during the Olympics would have hit the president’s reputation a lot, especially since “the attitude towards the Games is rather heavy in the country,” said a popular blogger.
    I don’t know who this popular blogger is, but I understand that he’s fucked up.
    Even theoretically, I cannot imagine that a Saudi could say this to Putin, even under a kaif. Terrorist attacks at the Olympics would more likely unite the country, and not vice versa, and in the light of such a chatter, the Sultan will be to blame for everything. this is to pass judgment on myself, given that there are minutes of conversations. All this is fiction from the section, one grandmother said, and a dumb blogger picked up.
    Everything else is politics, and if the prince thinks to outplay Putin in Syria, then he is a big sucker.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 December 2013 08: 32
      +5
      Well, why not? If in the SA the Wahhabite party has the status of legal, then there are contacts with it at different levels, and why can't the SA intelligence influence the Wahhabis?
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 11 December 2013 09: 56
        +3
        Quote: mirag2
        why can’t SA intelligence influence Wahhabis?

        Rather, the Wahhabis have a big influence on SA intelligence!

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        all the rest is politics, and if the prince thinks to beat Putin in Syria, then he is a big sucker.

        Here the point is apparently not in trying to outplay Putin, but in preserving the face of the kingdom. That is, an attempt to continue to pretend that the Saudis also "rule" the east. Although with the cooling of relations between the SA and the United States, this is no longer the case ...
        Py Sy Greetings to all!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 09: 56
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        why can’t SA intelligence influence Wahhabis?

        It can influence, but not at all and not at the official level.
    2. S-200
      S-200 11 December 2013 08: 34
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      To arrange such a thing, having previously told the head of Russia about this, is to pass judgment on yourself, given that there are minutes of conversations.

      Alexander, in the media, this topic was briefly voiced when covering their last meeting.
      Directly, prYnts hardly became "fool to drive", but...
      With the United States as allies their ragged arabic ass Saudi covers 5 A fleet that gives them arrogant self-confidence and unties their hands to participate in a number of conflicts ...
      The alignment of forces in the Gulf is such that Russia is unlikely to succeed in a blitzkrieg like the "Georgia" -08.08.08 as an act of intimidation on the Arabian Peninsula. A missile attack by non-nuclear warheads "against terrorist bases" in Saudi Arabia can of course be carried out ...

      Everyone clearly understands this, so the Arab boldly bargains directly with Putin ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2013 09: 58
        +2
        Quote: S-200

        Everyone clearly understands this, so the Arab boldly bargains directly with Putin ...

        Yes, the point is from bargaining, Saudis six. The meaning of bargaining with someone who does not have his own self.
        1. S-200
          S-200 11 December 2013 10: 27
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, the point is from bargaining, Saudis six. The meaning of bargaining with someone who does not have his own self.

          instead of "Я"they have oil and gas in huge quantities and low production costs ...
          We artificially block the cheap ground-based transportation channel through Syria to prevent them from entering the European market with our cheap gas ...
          They - restrict production in OPEC, keeping world prices high.
          We have a common interest with them in maintaining high prices for hydrocarbons, which is necessary for the profitable production of hydrocarbons on the Arctic shelf.
          For our proven continental reserves are rapidly depleting.
          Needless to say that the entire Russian economy is "sitting" on the pipe? ...
          So, as they say in the ads, "bargaining is appropriate" ..
    3. yurii p
      yurii p 11 December 2013 10: 38
      0
      "the prince is thinking to outplay Putin in Syria," this is not the point, but the fact that Saudi Arabia has lost an ally (I think this is temporary) "The Saudis are still outraged by the refusal of the White House from a military operation against Syria" ... so they are looking for common ground with Russia, just a new ally, but for how long is the question?
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 December 2013 13: 04
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Everything else is politics, and if the prince thinks to outplay Putin in Syria, then he is a big sucker.

      The prince is not a sucker, there is trade. The Saudis can even halve the price of oil, and they will survive it without any problems. And our economy will come white and fluffy.
      The performance continues. Yes, and Iran said that it could switch to a price war with the Saudis, it was ready to saturate the market even at a price of $ 20 per barrel.
      Events are developing in an interesting way, and both are included in OPEC.
      And the representatives of Iran and the Saudis meet, one with laurel, the other with Putin. What is this? Agree on Syria? It is quite possible. Both of them have a lever of pressure on us, the price of oil. They can afford to drop it, but we don’t ...
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 11 December 2013 17: 22
        +5
        Quote: baltika-18
        Both of them have a lever of pressure on us, the price of oil; they can afford to drop it, but we cannot.

        Yes, traded ...
        An attempt to "drop" oil prices, through the efforts of some Saudis, may turn out to be, for the latter, not the most original way out - 30 years ago, mattress toppers compensated for the losses by supplying weapons and other methods. So that the number will not work.
      2. alone
        alone 11 December 2013 20: 25
        -2
        Quote: baltika-18
        The prince is not a sucker, there is trade. The Saudis can even halve the price of oil, and they will survive it without any problems. And our economy will come white and fluffy.
        The performance continues. Yes, and Iran said that it could switch to a price war with the Saudis, it was ready to saturate the market even at a price of $ 20 per barrel.
        Events are developing in an interesting way, and both are included in OPEC.


        the show is already in full swing. right now the second act of the performance is in progress. Believe the Saudis can withstand the 2 dollar bar, but Iran’s game can do much harm to Russia. Who here with foam at the mouth proved Iran’s friendliness towards Russia. they probably know what harm the 20 dollar bar can do to the Russian economy. With such friends, even an enemy is not needed.
    5. To Berlin 45
      To Berlin 45 11 December 2013 18: 51
      -2
      El Murid is not a bad guy in principle, and in some places even a patriot. But I would also recommend that he does not worry about the president's reputation, well, this is not his (ElMurid's) level. Moreover, he knows that in addition to our special services, the Olympics will be guarded by Scotland Yard and specialists from the United States, who, in fact, are the employers of "terrible terrorists".
      1. alone
        alone 11 December 2013 20: 26
        +2
        Quote: To Berlin 45
        Moreover, he knows that in addition to our special services, the Olympics will be guarded by Scotland Yard and specialists from the USA


        This is much more dangerous than the terrorists themselves))
  3. makarov
    makarov 11 December 2013 08: 11
    +3
    The Saudis treated themselves with the war in Syria, so they are trying to get out of the water ... do they really think that the Russians forgot their direct financing of the war in Chechnya ?? only a fool can think so.
    1. avt
      avt 11 December 2013 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      The Saudis treated themselves with the war in Syria, so they are trying to get out of the water ... do they really think that the Russians forgot their direct financing of the war in Chechnya ?? only a fool can think so.

      It looks like the Saudis are afraid. When they didn’t go to Moscow, they beat the ambassador in Qatar, and now, when even the Yankees made peace with the ayatols in public, they started to jerk. They, despite all the external stability, weren’t having so much fun, recently they started working on the issue of guest workers. So not registered this year - in the camp and deportation, And there were 4 million of them! Bangladeshis, Indians and other Egyptians.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 11 December 2013 11: 04
      -1
      Quote: makarov
      The Saudis treated themselves with the war in Syria, so they are trying to get out of the water ... do they really think that the Russians forgot their direct financing of the war in Chechnya ?? only a fool can think so.

      The Americans threw them with Syria, they gave them grandmas for what they would bomb on Syria, and as a result no money or bombs.laughing
  4. S-200
    S-200 11 December 2013 08: 13
    +3
    The bloody Syrian fruit (like the Iranian gas pipeline) - ripened for a long time so that the Saudis would be allowed to see it "for beautiful eyes" ...
    However, Qatari gas will flow through a pipe that Russia can control ... ...
    The pre-Olympic bustle (or blackmail?) "Over Syria," I hope our security forces can take under proper control with adequate countermeasures ...
    PS Russians harness for a long time, but .... then they deeply "plant"
    (proverb) bully
  5. Siberian
    Siberian 11 December 2013 08: 20
    0
    "The FSA will join forces with the government army in order to act as a united front against Islamist militants"

    If you can’t solve the problem, change your attitude.
  6. ReifA
    ReifA 11 December 2013 08: 34
    +1
    Oh well. Prynts tells Putin, they say, if everything is in my opinion with Syria, Sochi will be quiet. Everything in Syria was gone according to Pryntsev’s, in Sochi, God forbid, bearded men made a noise, they flew to the prince to sow poplar deserts.
    Nonsense. The blogger outplayed the war.
    1. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 12 December 2013 07: 41
      0
      Oh well. Prynts tells Putin, they say, if everything is in my opinion with Syria, Sochi will be quiet. Everything in Syria was gone according to Pryntsev’s, in Sochi, God forbid, bearded men made a noise, they flew to the prince to sow poplar deserts.
      Nonsense. The blogger outplayed the war.

      ... fantastic, of course, but then the oil price will definitely not collapse ...
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 12 December 2013 08: 35
      +1
      We can say more: the blogger does not fumble at all. It is ridiculous to say that Saduvians can exert pressure on Russia (little is said). In the oil trade, they can and create competition, but Allah does not allow them more.
  7. domokl
    domokl 11 December 2013 08: 37
    +7
    Probably I will express a completely non-polar and unvoiced version of the meetings. The Saudis always knew that you can buy anything and everyone. They openly bought the blood and lives of American soldiers, intending to finance a military operation in Syria. But the Americans did not go for it, knowing full well that such an operation is fraught with a complete loss of authority in the world.
    Has the prince offered to finance the entry of Russian troops into Syria? An ideal solution for everyone. Russia becomes the main peacemaker in Syria, the Saudis receive their portfolio in the new government and control over the new gas pipeline. Russia is also attaching itself to this as a partner. Completely in the East. ..
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 December 2013 08: 38
      +2
      Yes, no, this is not possible at all ...
      1. domokl
        domokl 11 December 2013 08: 45
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        Yes, no, this is not possible at all ...

        I wonder why? Assad will accept military assistance with great pleasure. Russia receives control over the next pipeline. Nothing personal, just business.
        1. S-200
          S-200 11 December 2013 09: 22
          +1
          because Iran and Russia are the main allies of Syria, who dictate terms on Assad, and will not allow this separate deal ... and Assad himself understands that if he is sold to the Saudis, he will not only lose power, but also lose his life. ..
          1. domokl
            domokl 11 December 2013 09: 38
            +4
            Quote: S-200
            because Iran and Russia are the main allies of Syria,

            Russia will not allow a deal with itself? Something new. I understand you, or rather your desire, but I will try to explain to you too.
            Iran is now very fond of Russia precisely for the results of resolving its nuclear problem. Iranian leaders are not at all against developing further relations with Russia. It is the only one who can directly oppose the United States. Even China is bustling.
            Assad also understands perfectly well that Russia is now a guarantor of both its security and the solution of the problem inside Syria.
            And they all understand perfectly well that you have to pay for everything, and the best payment, in this situation, is the Russians' control of the new pipeline.
            And second, the Treaty between Russia and the Saudis will give guarantees that the Wahhabis will no longer receive funding from that side, and, therefore, will be quickly destroyed.
            1. S-200
              S-200 11 December 2013 11: 04
              0
              Quote: domokl
              Has the prince offered to finance the entry of Russian troops into Syria? An ideal solution for everyone. Russia becomes the main peacemaker in Syria, the Saudis receive their portfolio in the new government and control over the new gas pipeline. Russia is also attaching itself to this as a partner. Completely in the East. ..

              To send our troops into Syria will get caught like in Afghanistan ..
              Let the "specialists" "work" on separate sites there!
              While Assad is in power, the Saudis should not get direct control over the Syrian section of the future gas or oil pipeline ... Where will it go? On Kurdish autonomy in northern Syria?
              Russia is not "clings" to the future gas pipeline, and - CONTROL (affects ..) the process! Therefore, the prince of Putin is courting ...
              Saudis are longtime enemies of Assad and Iran
              Government portfolios? Give portfolios of ministers of health and construction for a year? You can probably ...
              But it is probably not worthwhile to reassure oneself that Iran is obliged to Russia "to the grave of its life" ...
            2. matross
              matross 11 December 2013 11: 51
              0
              Quote: domokl
              .A best payment, in this situation, the Russian control of the new pipeline.

              The best payment is the absence of this pipeline. For this sobsno and fought and fight. Why buoy Russia a Saudi pipe to Europe? Controlled, though. So that the Caucasians suck on her, and suck from ours? And what is our gesheft, as our Middle Eastern "friends" say?
        2. alone
          alone 11 December 2013 20: 30
          -1
          Quote: domokl
          I wonder why? Assad will accept military assistance with great pleasure. Russia receives control over the next pipeline. Nothing personal, just business.

          The CA will ask Russia to help Assad? Assad will only be helped if he turns his back on Iran. I understand that many people here do not feed bread, only praise Assad. But objectivity demands its own. Assad keeps thanks to the Iranian multi-billion dollar loan and Iranian troops, who they are fighting there illegally as "volunteers".
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 11 December 2013 11: 27
      +1
      Russia is already the main peacemaker in Syria and the opinion of the Saudis, when making certain decisions, will certainly not be considered significant by Putin, the prince just started "fussing under the client" let's see what problems the Wahhabi kingdom will have laughing
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 December 2013 13: 16
      0
      Quote: domokl
      Has the prince offered to finance the entry of Russian troops into Syria? An ideal solution for everyone. Russia becomes the main peacemaker in Syria, the Saudis receive their portfolio in the new government and control over the new gas pipeline. Russia is also attaching itself to this as a partner. Completely in the East. ..

      This option is quite possible, Alexander. But there is one but.
      This turns out to be an Iranian scam. And it is possible that the Iranians got wind of something bad about themselves. It’s not for nothing that the meeting with Lavrov and the statement about $ 20 per barrel.
  8. Igor39
    Igor39 11 December 2013 08: 45
    +4
    This is the main Wahhabite of the world, how can you believe in anything? He must be arrested and tried!
  9. darksoul
    darksoul 11 December 2013 09: 07
    +2
    the United States was thrown, did we pick it up? negotiations with the Wahhabis? I would not go into this gadyushnik at all, no matter how interesting it is to us from an economic and political point of view
  10. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 11 December 2013 09: 16
    +8
    Iran and Saudi Arabia on December 4 entered into an open conflict over an increase in oil production. According to The Financial Times, Iran wants to increase oil production, despite the fact that OPEC has not changed its production target for next year - 30 million barrels per day.

    The oil cartel controls a third of the world oil market. But now OPEC needs to deal with the ambitions of Iraq and Iran - these two cartel members want to increase oil production despite the restrictions.

    Tehran hopes that thanks to the agreement on the nuclear program, it will be able to completely lift the sanctions imposed on the country. Iran will be able to quickly increase production from its current level of 2,7 million barrels per day. Iraq also plans to increase production next year by 1 million barrels per day to 4 million.

    Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Zangane said on Wednesday in Vienna that the country is ready to start a price war: to increase oil production, even if prices fall. "We will reach 4 million barrels per day, even if oil prices will fall to $ 20 "- said Zangane. The rest of the OPEC members will have to cut production in order to support prices in the market when Iran returns to it.

    Iran's harsh statements stem from the fact that it is paving the way for future negotiations with Saudi Arabia, the real leader of OPEC. It is Saudi Arabia that will have to seriously cut production to enable Iran and Iraq to return to the markets. The kingdom has increased production to a record 10 million barrels per day to offset production cuts from other OPEC members. Http://forum.for-ua.com/read.php? 1,3379631
    Neither Russia nor the Saudis are interested in falling oil prices; there is a version that the Saudis want Putin's support in negotiations with Iran.
    1. S-200
      S-200 11 December 2013 09: 31
      +5
      the Americans turned on "green" so that the Iranians would collapse oil prices ...
      the process has been launched, but will Putin be able to influence the Iranian leadership?
      After all, for many years the Iranian economy was on a starvation diet ...
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 11 December 2013 14: 55
      +3
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      Neither Russia nor the Saudis benefit from falling oil prices,

      +
      Quote: S-200
      Americans turned on "green" so that Iranians would collapse oil prices

      + the United States itself launched shale gas (oil along the way) and completely closed its demand on the domestic market to the extent that it is promised to put it up for sale. Taking into account the fact that their venture / adventure can last a maximum of another five years, it turns out that for the next two to three years the whole ball will "storm" and "sausage" and only those who can create a system of counterweights will remain in the "boat",
      Now that is why the United States is moving the "noose" from Iran, Iran is showing the "noose" of Saudi Arabia ... and so on and so on ... in general, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt will be involved and Turkey, Israel and Egypt will be Europe will receive "cabbage soup".
  11. fisherman
    fisherman 11 December 2013 09: 25
    +1
    if you don't want war, be able to negotiate
  12. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 11 December 2013 09: 36
    +5
    and Bandar bin Sultan can guarantee the safety of the Games

    Have lived, some kind of lover of copulating with camels can guarantee something to the president of a nuclear power, throw this macaque into the furnace because there is no need to talk to him about something.
    1. Check
      Check 11 December 2013 10: 41
      0
      it reminds me of a moment from movie "300"
      when the ambassador of the Persians arrives and threatens the king, and he is in the pit))
      Then they have some kind of celebration in whatever niche you can't do, we have an Olympiad. and the corrupt priests do not give dabro for action. what Putin, oh, Leonid goes for a walk himself with a mini army.)) we need to remove a remake for our time))
  13. morpogr
    morpogr 11 December 2013 09: 58
    +1
    Maybe the Saudis have a fear that revolutions around them could begin in Arabia and the royal family, which has made so many enemies, is looking for an opportunity to buy patrons for themselves without disdaining at the same time outright blackmail.
  14. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 11 December 2013 10: 23
    +1
    It seems that in the light of recent events, the price of oil will fall.

    Russia urgently needs to diversify the economy. In fire order.
    1. S-200
      S-200 11 December 2013 10: 45
      +4
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      Russia urgently needs to diversify the economy. In fire order.

      No problem !
      Putin, write a decree - "I command, from the day after Ftyashnev, to transfer the rails of Raseya's raw material ikanomics to nano-products that have become as good as quality! ..." wassat
      1. alone
        alone 11 December 2013 20: 33
        0
        Quote: S-200
        Putin, write a decree - "I command, from the day after Ftyashnev, to transfer the rails of Raseya's raw material ikanomics to nano-products that have been burned out like a quality! ..."

        laughing It is imperative that the decree indicates that Chubais and Medvedev will be responsible for nano-products and for such an economy. Then there will definitely be a diversification of the Russian economy. lol
  15. standby
    standby 11 December 2013 10: 26
    +1
    The Arabs have a lot of money - there is a version that the prince bought 2 aircraft carriers (Kuznetsova and Vikramaditya) for the war with Iran ... electronic transfers are so fast.


    Well, an extremely crazy version! We will not discuss ships at all, so as not to change common sense, but otherwise, compare the armies of Saudi Arabia and Iran and you will understand everything. Saudi Arabia can, of course, buy itself an army, but the American one did not work out, and the other cannot cope, even the Israeli one.)))

    Putin is concerned about the safety of the Sochi Olympics, and Bandar bin Sultan can guarantee the safety of the Games if Russia makes concessions on Syria. The terrorist attacks during the Olympics would have hit the president's reputation hard, especially since "the attitude towards the Games in the country is rather heavy"


    Negotiations are a complicated matter, VVP is not a new recruit and understands that negotiations with terrorists are not being conducted, negotiating with the "enemy" is more expensive for himself, and prestige is supported by the mobilization of the forces and means of the state. Yes, and the prince, I think he would not be so boring!

    Neither Russia nor the Saudis are interested in falling oil prices; there is a version that the Saudis want Putin's support in negotiations with Iran.


    The Americans turned on "green" so that the Iranians would collapse oil prices ...


    But this is a thought!)
  16. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 11 December 2013 10: 41
    0
    It's funny, about guarantees, but seriously, we must ensure security for ourselves, and not persuade the Saudis, it is clear as daylight that the money for Chechen fighters comes from the SA, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, at least the lion's share of this money, so that the prince should not be persuaded, but warned that during the Olympics not a single trick from their tame jackals, otherwise carpet bombing and accusations of "undemocratic" ™ even though the Americans appropriated the trademark "undemocratic" ™ as a pretext for war, but to tell the truth " undemocratic "™ as a trademark was invented by ancient Rome, so that the license has expired and the mark should be available for general use, and indeed why exactly during the Olympics, at other times that everything is possible? Chtoli? Athletes left and rage on?"
  17. saag
    saag 11 December 2013 10: 49
    0
    Quote: Standard Oil
    , otherwise carpet bombing and accusations of "undemocratic"

    What carpet bombing, Bulgaria and Turkey close the skies over their territories and that's all, they flew in, then the Saudis lower the price of oil and what will happen to Russia?
    1. Beast
      Beast 13 December 2013 22: 02
      0
      The sky of Iran is bluer and more interesting to fly there ..
  18. 128mgb
    128mgb 11 December 2013 11: 02
    +1
    Apparently the Saudis translated the proverb- A thin world is better than a good quarrel. Now try to match.
  19. sichevik
    sichevik 11 December 2013 12: 08
    +1


    Saudis lower the price of oil and what will happen to Russia
    Is it profitable for the Saudis? In terms of oil prices, lower it. After all, they have no more nichrome besides oil. Well, except that there is still a lot of sand in the deserts. But they live beautifully, and they always want to live like that. And for a beautiful life, you need a lot of money.
  20. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 11 December 2013 12: 24
    0
    The discussion is a clear matter of the situation in Syria. Is Putin Assad the question?
    Will watch.
    Well, on the topic
    The concession to political blackmailers is the lot of the weak. It is impossible to imagine that Putin will be led by Prince Bandar (if the speech at the meeting in Novo-Ogaryovo was generally about the Olympics). Mr. Obama did not yield to the Republicans from Congress at the time when the government was "turned off", and Putin will succumb to the "guarantee" of the prince?

    That's quite possible. The principles of our GDP are incomprehensible.
  21. Normman
    Normman 11 December 2013 12: 58
    +1
    The Saudis are trying to bargain for at least something for the money invested in the Syrian adventure. Like give us this and that and we won't sponsor the militants in Syria. Most likely this was the first visit of the prince. Now he asked for at least something or just help to make a "good face" and jump off the quiet, like the Moor did his job and can rest. The FSA's statement on the joint opposition with the government forces to the Islamists in Syria is like a litmus test. The Saudis have run out of steam and are busy now.
  22. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 11 December 2013 13: 13
    0
    <<< We, like the Saudis, are not satisfied with Iran becoming excessively strong in the Middle East, so that it remains the sole master of the situation in the region. >>>
    It is obvious! The comparative speed and ease with which the United States went to agree with Iran and lift certain sanctions from it suggests that today the main goal of the United States is not Iran, but Russia, and they want to use Iran's intention to "fill up" the world with oil in order to most, to crash oil prices and thereby inflict a strong blow on Russia (the catastrophic drop in oil prices destroyed the USSR before)! So Russia has to play a very subtle political game so that this very DANGEROUS plan is not implemented, and in this, despite the differences, certain contacts and agreements between Russia and Saudi Arabia, the enemy of Iran, can certainly help!
  23. biglow
    biglow 11 December 2013 14: 47
    +1
    everything is much simpler. The Americans lose their strength and the Arabs see this and want to play it safe and get the support of Russia just in case. Who knows where the new orange revolutions that the Israeli immigrants love to finance ...
  24. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 11 December 2013 14: 52
    +1
    And I would have quietly hissed in this family's ear "there will be problems at the Olympics, the guys from" Vympel "have not yet learned how to arrange aviaotostrophes, remember the Poles, rest in peace to them" and that's it !!!!!
  25. Semurg
    Semurg 11 December 2013 16: 16
    0
    if such a busy person like Putin so often accepts the prince, then there is something to discuss with him and this is an important topic. States do not have eternal enemies and allies but have eternal interests.
    1. sashka
      sashka 11 December 2013 16: 21
      0
      if such a busy person like Putin
      Interesting. Serdyukov signed 7000 (seven thousand) documents a day. Now it is clear that the "guarantor" has a head. There is nothing else to do. Throne and life cycle in the head. Kyu and Ku.
  26. Shep
    Shep 11 December 2013 16: 22
    0
    Putin is concerned about the security of the Olympics in Sochi, and Bandar bin Sultan can guarantee the security of the Games if Russia makes concessions on Syria. The terrorist attacks during the Olympics would have hit the president’s reputation a lot, especially since “the attitude towards the Games is rather heavy in the country,” said a popular blogger.

    Beslan, Nord-Ost ....... for some reason there were no negotiations with the terrorists, so why now Putin should do this ?????????
  27. saag
    saag 11 December 2013 19: 01
    -1
    Quote: sichevik
    Is it profitable for the Saudis? In terms of oil prices, lower it. After all, they have no more nichrome besides oil. Well, except that there is still a lot of sand in the deserts. But they live beautifully, and they always want to live like that. And for a beautiful life, you need a lot of money.

    Once they did this, dropping oil to $ 9, so once more, one less, this is for a certain period, then the price will rise
  28. Slotxnumx
    Slotxnumx 11 December 2013 19: 13
    +2
    the PRINCE arrived ... and he can GUARANTEE us security, go nuts, a bearded man with grandmothers can guarantee US security ... I don’t take bribes, I’m sorry for the state. angry
    To guarantee him, if that, the factories there burned there or something!
  29. Sterlya
    Sterlya 11 December 2013 19: 47
    +1
    this prynts has of course what impact on terrorist organizations. you can't cross it out. but to say that he can "ensure the safety of the Olympic Games" is at least naive.
    but the fact that frequenting is quite understandable and there is nothing wrong with that. as a result of the dialogue, you can always find mutually beneficial solutions to problems. And in the end, thank God. he doesn’t communicate with Humpback or EBN. But Putin is unlikely to succeed. rather he will fall for a bait
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  31. Sergg
    Sergg 11 December 2013 21: 23
    +1
    The prince is often in Moscow


    I think both countries are primarily concerned about maintaining oil prices. Both countries have already decided on foreign political guidelines; it is hard to believe that Saudi Arabia will turn its back on Israel and the United States.
  32. voliador
    voliador 11 December 2013 22: 11
    0
    I can’t even imagine with what gingerbread this Arab came to us, and what he wanted to get specifically.
  33. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 11 December 2013 22: 12
    0
    The prince can take care of his own well-being. At the same time, what the media hangs on our ears may well be very far from reality. Considering that there are a lot of “heirs” in the family of Saudis, and at the same time gerontologists make good money on the lower classes, the desire of the “prince” to come to an agreement with Putin has interesting consequences for the Middle East and the Arabs in particular.
  34. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 11 December 2013 22: 12
    0
    The prince can take care of his own well-being. At the same time, what the media hangs on our ears may well be very far from reality. Considering that there are a lot of “heirs” in the family of Saudis, and at the same time gerontologists make good money on the lower classes, the desire of the “prince” to come to an agreement with Putin has interesting consequences for the Middle East and the Arabs in particular.
  35. Agent 008
    Agent 008 11 December 2013 23: 03
    0
    Surely the Prince showed Putin the "technique of chopping off the head with a saber" ... And what else can you learn from them ... In the entire video from the SA, only this is shown ...
  36. Troy
    Troy 12 December 2013 07: 09
    0
    I’m crap, some kind of Bedouin puts forward the conditions for the safety of the Olympics. Stick in the ass count and send back. It’s bad that the glorious days of the KGB passed, when the heads of such freaks were sent by mail to relatives.
  37. I think so
    I think so 12 December 2013 20: 32
    -1
    It is beneficial for Russia that NOBODY WILL WIN in Syria, but there was a constant mess like now. In all other cases, Russia will be hit by laying a gas pipeline to Geyropa or from Qatar (if the bandits win) or from Iran (if the current government wins in Syria). In any case, even if there is a war going on in Syria for a couple of years, Russia will gain almost NOTHING from this because its South Stream is hanging by a thread. And most likely Geyropa will be taken away from Russia by South Stream with the help of its Third Energy Package. The position of Russia at the moment is almost catastrophic. If Iran makes friends with the United States (and everything goes to this), then soon the oil prices will CUT TO. And this means, if not HUNGER, then a very difficult situation in Russia. Well, and with a natural change of stupid leadership.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 12 December 2013 21: 09
      0
      Quote: I think so
      It is beneficial for Russia that NO ONE WINS in Syria, and there was a constant catastrophe as it is now. In all other cases, Russia will be hit by laying a gas pipeline to Geyropa or from Qatar (if bandits win) or from Iran

      Oh, sorry. wassat Qatar borders only with Saudi Arabia and a little with the UAE (but everyone argues there). Plus has access to the Persian Gulf. Which pipeline is through Syria, especially since Qatar is conveniently exporting liquefied gas through the Persian Gulf. In the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, export has long been established. As for Iran, the Americans and Europeans want their oil companies to actively go there, and for the current government of Iran, this is death. Therefore, this will not happen (by mutual agreement). And no one canceled diplomatic curtsies ...
      As for pricing, read Azarov at least ... but it’s better to google at the HSE first
      Well, from a legal point of view, how can Europe take away the South Stream?
  38. voin777
    voin777 16 December 2013 18: 37
    0
    it seems ... it’s beneficial for us to destroy all the militants in Syria, then there will be no threat in the Caucasus, but at the expense of the Olympics, this is not a big argument for Putin to succumb to him, so I think the prince was talking about something else, only about what?