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Media: Israel buys two destroyers from Germany

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Media: Israel buys two destroyers from GermanyGermany intends to sell to Israeli the fleet two destroyers, the transaction value is estimated at 1,3 billion dollars, foreign media reported on Saturday.


According to the Jerusalem Post with reference to the German edition of Bild, the ships will be used to protect Israeli gas pipelines.

According to the publication, last week, the representative of the Israeli National Security Council Yossi Cohen discussed in Germany the details of the transaction.

In particular, a spokesman for the German government confirmed the Agence France-Presse Cohen visit, but refused to disclose the details.

Earlier, a senior source at the Jerusalem Post reported that four new ships would have to patrol gas pipelines. According to him, the Israeli authorities are already negotiating with nine foreign companies.

It clarifies the newspaper, the discovery of large deposits of natural gas in 2009 year was a pleasant surprise for Israel. The government plans to drill 18 new wells worth 1,8 billion by the end of 2013.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 9 December 2013 11: 06
    11
    Interesting, interesting ... I remember the "destroyers" as "unlucky" in the Israeli fleet, it will be interesting to see the fate of these ...
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 9 December 2013 11: 28
      12
      Protect the pipeline and clean the coast from the Arabs ...
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 9 December 2013 13: 05
        +4
        ShturmKGB
        Protect the pipeline

        that four new ships should patrol gas pipelines
        Mlahhhh it is difficult to write that to patrol the Jewish section of the "Leviathan" and the Arabs to flatten.It is necessary to write about pipes. belay
        All strive from the backyard to look and light.
    2. yan
      yan 9 December 2013 12: 16
      50
      it's like in the joke "Jews survived the war, Germans trade"
      1. 755962
        755962 9 December 2013 13: 25
        +7
        There are currently no destroyer class ships in the German Navy. The country's naval forces have frigates of the Saxony, Brandenburg and Bremen types, Braunschweig type corvettes, Cheetah type patrol boats, Ensdorf, Kulmbach and Frankenthal minesweepers, as well as auxiliary vessels of various classes and types.

        http://lenta.ru/news/2013/12/09/destroyer/
      2. catapractic
        catapractic 9 December 2013 18: 20
        +2
        Did you just notice? laughing
      3. Siberian German
        Siberian German 9 December 2013 20: 22
        -2
        Well, it’s better to trade than to fight - but I don’t like that the Germans sell submarines to the Jews and I really don’t like ships when you consider that Israel also has nuclear weapons
        1. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 23
          +1
          Israel defends itself against the millions of brutal, fanatical Arab masses.
          1. faraon
            faraon 11 December 2013 13: 09
            0
            Israel defends itself against the millions of brutal, fanatical Arab masses

            For Israel, this means of survival in Love in a rich Arab environment and not a whim
    3. Rustam
      Rustam 9 December 2013 14: 37
      +6
      svp67 SU
      Interesting, interesting ... The destroyers "somehow" were unlucky to remember



      You know what interests me

      - what kind of destroyers and what model for Israel?

      - About unlucky. This is unlucky Project 956 destroyers in our Navy -which are ushatany in the trash

      - Yes, and it’s especially interesting how things are going on with the eight-year-old miracle called Admiral Gorshkov — who already surpassed the UDC (per unit) we ordered in France in terms of value.

      that’s what you need to worry about, and how’s it going with the development of new destroyers for our Navy?
    4. Professor
      Professor 9 December 2013 15: 13
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      I remember the "destroyers" as "unlucky" in the Israeli fleet, it will be interesting to see the fate of these ...

      According to other information, we are talking about three corvettes, not two destroyers ...
      1. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 02
        +5
        And on another - as many as four.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 9 December 2013 18: 57
          +3
          Quote: Rav-Seren
          And on another - as many as four.

          total value of 1 billion euros
          1. Rav Seren
            Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 08
            +1
            Amounts also vary. 2 times in practice.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 9 December 2013 19: 21
        0
        Quote: Professor
        According to other information, we are talking about three corvettes, not two destroyers ..

        professor - where did the money come from? Is the US sponsoring or the Israeli economy on such a rise that such purchases can be planned?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 9 December 2013 19: 42
          +5
          Quote: APASUS
          where is the money from? Is the US sponsoring or the Israeli economy on such a rise that such purchases can be planned?


          They are at least spent on destroyers and on corvettes, and not on spectacles
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 9 December 2013 23: 23
          0
          The total cost of gas that can be produced in Lefiafan is more than 100 billion ... this would explain everything, I think request
        3. Professor
          Professor 9 December 2013 23: 53
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          professor - where did the money come from? Is the US sponsoring or the Israeli economy on such a rise that such purchases can be planned?

          Money from the nightstand money ... wink The Americans give 3 billion and exclusively for the purchase of equipment in America itself. Israel spends huge money on the army and finding a billion euros is not a problem.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 59
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Money from the bedside table money ... Americans give 3 billion and exclusively for the purchase of equipment in America itself. Israel spends huge money on the army and finding a billion euros is not a problem.

            Problem. But planned
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 58
          -1
          Read about the Israeli economy
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 9 December 2013 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Interesting, interesting ... I remember the "destroyers" as "unlucky" in the Israeli fleet, it will be interesting to see the fate of these ...

      What exactly was unlucky.
      1. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 02
        +3
        Well, the old "Eilat" was sunk by an "Egyptian" missile boat.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 9 December 2013 19: 03
          0
          Quote: Rav-Seren
          Well, the old "Eilat" was sunk by an "Egyptian" missile boat.

          Well yes. Judging by this occasion, especially considering the fact that the fleet consists mainly of boats and corvettes, we can certainly speak of bad luck.
          1. Rav Seren
            Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 06
            +1
            Well, that’s so - an omen ..
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 9 December 2013 19: 08
          +3
          Quote: Rav-Seren
          Well, the old "Eilat" was sunk by an "Egyptian" missile boat.

          There was another incident on Friday, July 14, the third day of the Second Lebanese War. An Iranian missile fired by Hezbollah hit the Hanit - the corvette was hit by a Chinese C-802 missile off the coast of Libya C-802 - an export version of the subsonic anti-ship cruise missile developed and mass-produced in China by China Hai Yang Electro-Mechanical Technology ( CHETA) 3rd Academy and offered for export by another Chinese company, China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC). In the USA and NATO, this anti-ship missile was designated CSS-C-8 Saccade.

          In general, the rocket fired purely in Chinese, but hit the target, but due to the thickness and quality of the metal, the rocket did not go inside. Then a fire began under the helipad. "

          How Israeli intelligence established the Rocket Hezbollah set Iran, where they went through modernization (which is probably why it got there)
          1. Rav Seren
            Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 11
            +4
            Well, there was still an aspect - by the idiotic order of the then Minister of Defense - the electronic warfare system was disabled on the corvette. The order was something like this: in order not to provoke, turn off the system. In general - idiocy. Well, then, remember, the Minister was that boob that looked at maneuvers through closed binoculars and thus got into the TV camera.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 9 December 2013 19: 23
              +2
              Quote: Rav-Seren
              Well, there was still an aspect - by the idiotic order of the then Minister of Defense - the electronic warfare system was disabled on the corvette.


              The ship, by order of the high command, cruised in the immediate vicinity of the Lebanese coast.
              Military intelligence has accused the Navy leadership of ignoring the data it provided. Intelligence officials say they have passed on information about Hezbollah's possible Chinese-made surface-to-sea missiles received from Iranian sponsors.

              July 13, generally arranged a visit to the ships by the public and journalists. And all this time, the computer systems for early warning were turned off, and the anti-aircraft missile launchers stood without ammunition.

              The incident killed 21-year-old senior sergeant Tal Amgar from Ashdod. Three are reported missing:

              Yaniv Gershkovich (21) from Haifa,
              Junior Sergeant Shay Atias (19) from Rishon Lezion and
              Midshipman Dov Sternshus (37) from Karmiel.

              But there could have been no victims
              The protective complex of such a corvette includes passive protection that warns of the capture of the ship by enemy radar. In addition, there are rocket traps that carry the enemy missile along with them and radar detectors that give out many false signals. In addition to passive protection, there is also active protection - Barak anti-missile systems, capable of automatically destroying an approaching missile.
              1. Rav Seren
                Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 32
                +3
                In general - it wasn’t a babin ... but sitting in the chair of the Minister of Defense.
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 9 December 2013 19: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: Rav-Seren
                  In general - it wasn’t a babin ... but sitting in the chair of the Minister of Defense.


                  I completely agree, it's like a fool a glass member Broke and cut his hands
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 10 December 2013 14: 04
              0
              Quote: Rav-Seren
              Well, there was still an aspect - by the idiotic order of the then Minister of Defense - the electronic warfare system was disabled on the corvette
              This is not true. Part of the equipment failed, another part was disabled by the responsible officer to restore the system. If the intelligence of the Navy took seriously the data of the intelligence department of the General Staff about the possible presence of anti-ship missiles in the theater, then the attitude to the failure and disconnection of the equipment would be different.
              1. Rav Seren
                Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 09
                +1
                Well, there are different versions - in general, in any case, a corvette with disabled electronic warfare systems - it doesn’t matter for what reason - you can’t use it near the coast of the enemy. This means - in the chair of the Minister of Defense.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 10 December 2013 14: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Rav-Seren
                  Well, there are different versions - in general, in any case, a corvette with disabled electronic warfare systems - it doesn’t matter for what reason - you can’t use it near the coast of the enemy. This means - in the chair of the Minister of Defense.

                  There is a very specific report.
                  1. Rav Seren
                    Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 25
                    +1
                    There is. Designed in such a way as not to damage the biggest fool in the ministry’s chair and make sailors turnouts
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 10 December 2013 14: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Rav-Seren
                      There is. Designed in such a way as not to damage the biggest fool in the ministry’s chair and make sailors turnouts


                      No nonsense, okay? Everybody got hats there, and I don’t remember something in this situation that they covered someone. It is not necessary to multiply entities where they do not exist.
                      1. Rav Seren
                        Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 46
                        +1
                        "On July 14, the third day of the war, the ships, which were in a state of" picnic "readiness, were ordered to approach the Lebanese coast at a distance of visibility in order to" produce a frightening effect "on Hezbollah! On the same day, voices were heard in the command of the Navy, reminded that, possibly, Hezbollah still has C-802 missiles. But the warnings were ignored by the Minister of Defense, and the pleasure boat trip continued. "
                        This is from the conclusion of the first commission.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 10 December 2013 15: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Rav-Seren
                        But the warnings were ignored by the Minister of Defense, and the pleasure boat trip continued. "

                        Sorry, this is not a report format - this is it. Two - which report. Where exactly about the order of the Minister of Defense?
                    2. Rav Seren
                      Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 50
                      +1
                      Conclusions:
                      Investigation results: the captain and leadership of the Navy are to blame for the deaths of the AHI Hanit sailors. A Navy officer with the rank of colonel serving on the AHI Hanit corvette was brought before a disciplinary court. He is suspected of having had contacts with the press and may have passed on information about the incident on the ship to them. It was reported on Monday evening, January 1, by the Ynet news agency.

                      Another officer of the same ship, with the rank of lieutenant colonel, who is suspected of a similar violation of the charter, was removed from his post for a month. His further stay in the Navy will be determined after the court hearings in this case.

                      Earlier on Monday, the Chief of the General Staff of the Israel Defense Forces Dan Halutz announced the measures that he intends to take in connection with the incident on the Israeli corvette AHI Hanit. Two naval officers with the rank of colonels will be reprimanded, and the ship's commander, who has the rank of lieutenant colonel, will be demoted and deprived of the right to hold command posts. From now on, he will have to deal exclusively with staff work.

                      In addition, two junior officers in charge of the engine room and the health of the electronics on the ship will be demoted.
                      So, the switchmen answered ...
        3. Professor
          Professor 9 December 2013 23: 54
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          In general, the rocket fired purely in Chinese, but hit the target, but due to the thickness and quality of the metal, the rocket did not go inside. Then a fire began under the helipad. "

          "Hit the target" - she hit the boom of the crane and therefore such destruction. Lucky corvette.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 10 December 2013 08: 54
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            she hit the arrow of the crane and therefore such destruction. Lucky corvette.


            Thank you Oleg, I read the report there was still written "slipped"
            1. Professor
              Professor 10 December 2013 11: 18
              0
              Quote: Vadivak
              Quote: Professor
              she hit the arrow of the crane and therefore such destruction. Lucky corvette.


              Thank you Oleg, I read the report there was still written "slipped"

              Probably the cost of translating the word "ricocheted". I repeat, the corvette was lucky. The crew relaxed and took a Saturday meal, the systems were removed from the machine and received ...
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 10 December 2013 14: 01
          -1
          Quote: Vadivak
          How Israeli intelligence established the Rocket Hezbollah set Iran, where they went through modernization (which is probably why it got there)

          No need to multiply fantasies. There are very specific data on Hanit. "The C-802 hit the crane and was cocked, but due to the thickness and quality of the crane's metal, the missile did not go inside, but slipped off. Then a fire started under the helipad."

          http://u-96.livejournal.com/1440246.html
  2. Su24
    Su24 10 December 2013 01: 41
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Interesting, interesting ... I remember the "destroyers" as "unlucky" in the Israeli fleet, it will be interesting to see the fate of these ...


    Relax, comrades. Judging by the cost, we are talking about frigates.
  • sashka
    sashka 9 December 2013 11: 08
    13
    Why isn’t an aircraft carrier. He’ll close the whole country by himself ..
    1. rugor
      rugor 9 December 2013 11: 31
      +1
      Yeah, breastfeeding laughing
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 9 December 2013 11: 35
      +3
      and they have extra 300 mln - 500 mln $ per year for maintenance, and this is not counting the cost of infrastructure and the cost of the AV and the wing?
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 9 December 2013 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: PSih2097
        and they have an extra 300 million - $ 500 million

        The article says:
        It clarifies the newspaper, the discovery of large deposits of natural gas in 2009 year was a pleasant surprise for Israel. The government plans to drill 18 new wells worth 1,8 billion by the end of 2013.
        1. sashka
          sashka 11 December 2013 18: 30
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          The article says:
          As the newspaper clarifies,

          Yes. Newspapers need or need to believe. Although it would be sometimes. But the best application for newspapers is known to everyone .. Do not read in the morning. There will be no diarrhea.
      2. bif
        bif 9 December 2013 16: 25
        +1
        Quote: PSih2097
        and they have extra 300 mln - 500 mln $ per year for maintenance, and this is not counting the cost of infrastructure and the cost of the AV and the wing?

        Israel liked to buy "expensive toys" from Germany for virtual money - before that 6 submarines, now destroyers ... and the payment is, as always, in Jewish.
        "The new submarines will become the most expensive combat systems in the Israeli armed forces and are estimated at more than $ 700 million each, although their production is largely funded by Berlin as a return of the historic debt for the Holocaust" http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru / news / view / 39777 /
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 9 December 2013 19: 23
          0
          Quote: bif
          their production is largely funded by Berlin as a return on the historic debt for the Holocaust. "

          There is an assumption that Germany will be milked for a long time by these comrades, although they are more than Haifa gay comrades. Since the Soviet Red Army took an active part in the process of protection and liberation from the Holocaust, the question of some kind of material reimbursement by Israel of more than 20 million dead soldiers should be raised. Indeed, liberators deserve a contribution from the liberated and protected. Moreover, Jews were captured by the USSR, just like prisoners of war. The only place in the USSR where Israel owes nothing is Birobidzhan. Brother owes nothing to brother!
          1. Rav Seren
            Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 35
            -1
            Well, that’s not very convenient - since questions immediately arise.
            For example, what is the relationship between the USSR and the Reich from September 39 to June 22 41 related to the protection against the Holocaust? Indeed, from the USSR, a gasoline was also delivered - for a blitzkrieg - Halder then in the diary many times pinned praise to Stalin for deliveries.
            So - part of the concentration camps and from the Soviet gas tank expires.
            1. Patriot.ru.
              Patriot.ru. 9 December 2013 19: 48
              +4
              Sorry Rav If it weren’t for Stalin, there would have been smoke from you from the Crematoria furnace.
              1. Rav Seren
                Rav Seren 9 December 2013 19: 56
                +4
                Well, the fact is that the USSR supplied a lot of things to Hitler - it makes no sense to deny. and especially for war.
                1. Patriot.ru.
                  Patriot.ru. 9 December 2013 20: 34
                  0
                  You wrote not afraid of me ???
              2. Dezzed
                Dezzed 9 December 2013 20: 14
                +3
                Quote: Patriot.ru.
                you would have smoke from the stove


                Sorry, but 6 plus or minus a couple of pieces is not protected for "smoke from the oven"?
                1. Patriot.ru.
                  Patriot.ru. 9 December 2013 20: 46
                  0
                  6 000 000 We considered the USSR as ours, as well as 26 000 000 ml of citizens of our country. 6 000 000 are included in this figure (partially).
                2. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 9 December 2013 21: 29
                  0
                  Quote: DezzeD
                  it is not protected for "oven smoke"

                  Let's say so, 6 mil. unproven figure. ; with a little, I agree. Of this amount, far from 6 mil. was burned in concentration camp furnaces. Do not believe? Count yourself. Count from the beginning from the construction and commissioning the action of crematoria. Determine the time required to burn one corpse. Keep in mind that not only Jews were burned, well, after, report to everyone your mathematical calculations. At the same time, keep in mind that it takes at least 25 minutes to completely burn a corpse !!!
                  1. Dezzed
                    Dezzed 9 December 2013 22: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    far from 6 mil. was burned in concentration camp furnaces


                    I agree. Part of it is strangled by exhaust gas in special trucks, part of a bullet to the head, part of starvation.
                    What a difference of 6 mil. or 4 mil. In camps or in the fresh air?
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 10 December 2013 09: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: DezzeD
                      Part strangled by exhaust gas in special trucks,

                      How many such trucks were there if their production on the assembly line did not exist? It was a piece, a single manufacture.
                      Quote: DezzeD
                      What a difference of 6 mil. or 4 mil.

                      If you cut off your salary (decrease) from 6000 shekels to 4000 shekels, I think everything will immediately become clear and such children's issues will stop.
                      Quote: DezzeD
                      In camps or in the fresh air?

                      By your death or forced? Who cares? Let’s write everyone!
                  2. Ptah
                    Ptah 10 December 2013 00: 39
                    -2
                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    At the same time, keep in mind that it takes at least 25 minutes to completely burn a corpse !!!
                    What are you talking about? Have you ever seen a Jew admitting any kind of shoals?
                    They will also blame you. It’s already turned.
                    Quote: DezzeD
                    Part strangled by exhaust gas in special trucks,

                    Quote: Rabbi
                    from soviet gasoline

                    And this is on the resource, where almost everyone stands for the restoration of the USSR. Yes, for this in a normal society it is now customary to "drive into the skull" not virtual, but real.

                    -And where are the Jews?
                    - The Germans still burned ...
                    -But as?
                    - Of course, a solarium.
                    - So she went to the eastern front for tanks ...
                    - Yes, the Russians gave them "benzinchik" ...
                    -Well then from them and take boats, planes and destroyers for the "Holocaust".
                    -And we have already taken everything from them .........
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 10 December 2013 09: 02
                      +2
                      Quote: Ptah
                      They will also blame you.

                      They have a goal, to praise themselves and show how cool they are. Although, there are no real cool ones here! Here, the majority of Israeli losers gather, here from this category:

                      Yes, and I somehow do not care about their obedience. Like them in the USSR and its restoration. :)
                      1. Insectid
                        Insectid 10 December 2013 09: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: Hedgehog
                        They have a goal, to praise themselves and show how cool they are. Although, there are no real cool ones here! Here, the mass of Israeli losers gather

                        And I have the same opinion.
                        A few days ago, at the request of the Russian military-patriotic forum, a search returned a link to this site.
                        He went in and was surprised. How many Jews are here. Are they all patriots of Russia? Yes, I will never believe it.
                        They are few, but they just crawl into the eyes. Like a summer midge.
                        They say it is true. "There are no talented Jews, but there are" famous "ones. And all of them are annoying. Ugh ....
                      2. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak 10 December 2013 11: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: InsectID
                        Are they all patriots of Russia?

                        Few of them can be considered a patriot of Russia. There are only a few of them. They tried life in Israel, returned and did not talk so actively about those "advantages" about which the patriots of Israel rattle. But there are also citizens of Russia who lived in Israel and are following the same line as the patriots of Israel, read - Zionists. On occasion, they are ready to flee Russia again. Here they are kept only by money, which for them is not in Israel.
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 10 December 2013 14: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: InsectID
                        He went in and was surprised. How many Jews are here. Are they all patriots of Russia? Yes, I will never believe it.

                        With this approach, do you consider yourself a patriot of Russia?
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 9 December 2013 19: 55
            +5
            Quote: Rav-Seren
            Indeed, from the USSR, a gasoline was also supplied - for a blitzkrieg


            Business and nothing personal.

            Crickmore Fat, at a meeting of the Bown Commission on August 20, tried to question in more detail about the supply of Standard Oil to aviation by the Nazis.

            “Under the terms of Lend-Lease, your company, like everyone else, had to fully help the allied countries. Then, in whose interests, in your opinion, did Standard Oil operate, supplying fuel to the Nazi company L. A. T. I. "- in the interests of the United States or His Majesty the Dollar?" He snapped. “I acted on the instructions of His Majesty the State Department,” Farish retorted without hesitation. “Maybe you question his patriotism?”

            I think that Stalin was just delaying the war as best he could, well, it seems like now they are throwing Chechnya with money
            1. Rav Seren
              Rav Seren 9 December 2013 20: 12
              -3
              This myth, written by conspiracy theorists, has long been refuted.
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 9 December 2013 19: 55
            +2
            But nothing comes out of the Amer’s dollars issued by the Rothschilds for the same blitzkrieg? It was the Soviet army that destroyed and freed the captives of those concentration camps. About this and talk. About the fact that prisoners of war who died in Soviet captivity are also included in the Holocaust lists. Although they should not. They fought, whether bad or good, but on the side of the Nazis.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 9 December 2013 22: 13
              -1
              Quote: Hedgehog
              It was the Soviet army that destroyed and freed the captives of those concentration camps.

              There is a video of the 60s. The female doctor tells of the part that liberated Majdanek (like Majdanek, but I could be wrong ...). When the Germans left, they literally a few hours before leaving shot a large number of prisoners and somehow managed to fall asleep. The locals told our story about it and showed the place. So our soldiers, knowing that everything happens in a war, began to dig these holes in the hope of finding the living. Those who had no shoulder blades were dug out with their hands. Some of those executed looked like they were alive, but they weren’t alive ... For disrupting the schedule, the commander of the unit wanted to screw up, but when the authorities found out the reason for the delay, they reacted with understanding ... This is all from the words of this woman. The last time I saw this fragment was on TV in 2010 ... I doubt that today's Jews would rush to handle something in such a situation to dig out. In any case, they would have waited for a robotic cop. Well, or a bulldozer ...
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 9 December 2013 22: 29
                0
                Quote: retired
                I doubt that the current

                So then the fingers would, knowing that it was not their lads, did not move. I always say that they voluntarily then went to the ghetto, Only a few went to resistance detachments. And so, out of, say, 6 million, a good army of partisans could turn out. But no, it didn’t work out. Many boast that 500 thousand Jews fought in the Soviet army. And about 6 million only cry.
              2. pensioner
                pensioner 9 December 2013 23: 41
                +1
                I feel that heroic Jews are offendedwink.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 10 December 2013 09: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: retired
                  heroic Jews offended

                  In the Russian language there is a saying that simply offended by ??? are laying!
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              3. Pimply
                Pimply 10 December 2013 14: 07
                -1
                Quote: retired
                I doubt that today's Jews would rush to handle something in such a situation to dig out. In any case, they would have waited for a robotic cop. Well, or a bulldozer ...

                And I am not surprised at such a comment. You wouldn’t dig, right?
              4. Rav Seren
                Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 12
                0
                They dug out that, as usual habit, to search on corpses for something valuable
  • svp67
    svp67 9 December 2013 11: 42
    +3
    Quote: Sasha
    Why isn’t an aircraft carrier. He’ll close the whole country by himself ..

    They already have it - "unsinkable, right in the center of the country, in the desert ..."
  • Orik
    Orik 9 December 2013 15: 06
    0
    Quote: Sasha
    Why isn’t an aircraft carrier. He’ll close the whole country by himself ..

    Why do they need an aircraft carrier? North American slaves, if necessary, customized ... laughing
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 9 December 2013 16: 45
    +3
    Quote: Sasha
    Why isn’t an aircraft carrier. He’ll close the whole country by himself ..

    The territory of Israel is blocked by conventional air forces. And they don’t want to swim somewhere, unlike us
  • catapractic
    catapractic 9 December 2013 18: 21
    0
    dough is not enough
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 9 December 2013 11: 11
    +5
    So Izrville found gas)
  • 123_123
    123_123 9 December 2013 11: 16
    11
    I hope Greenpeace will become indignant at the violation of the ecology of the Mediterranean Sea and will land his activists on Jewish platforms))
    1. Retx
      Retx 9 December 2013 11: 39
      12
      Will not be. Jews will immediately shoot, without any hijacks and ships.
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 9 December 2013 16: 50
        +6
        and by the way they’ll do it right.
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      3. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 05
        +4
        Will not. Unfortunately.
        1. Andrey_K
          Andrey_K 9 December 2013 18: 19
          +5
          If ecologists look like Arabs, then they will.
          Still on the way - how many boats are mined there.
          1. Rav Seren
            Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 32
            +3
            Well, environmentalists always announce their actions in advance - attention is important to them. Yes, and Israel is unlikely to even allow the approach of any mined object 100 miles to the fields - their intelligence is too strong. Arabs and Iranians are too corrupt and talkative - they’ll tell you everything
      4. catapractic
        catapractic 9 December 2013 18: 23
        +5
        Yes there comedies do not break, the Turks quickly figured out
        1. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 30
          +5
          We figured it out, then the stench after that from the leftists all over the world was so much that it was unlikely to happen again
    2. UmaR
      UmaR 9 December 2013 19: 07
      0
      123_123

      We won’t even see this in a dream laughing
  • sashka
    sashka 9 December 2013 11: 17
    15
    How was it in KVN? Why aren't high-rise houses built in Israel? In order not to cast a shadow over the whole country.
    1. igor67
      igor67 9 December 2013 16: 38
      11
      Quote: Sasha
      How was it in KVN? Why aren't high-rise houses built in Israel? In order not to cast a shadow over the whole country.

      That damn thing, but in Israel they did not know about this joke laughing in the picture Tel Aviv
      1. sashka
        sashka 9 December 2013 17: 44
        +3
        What a difference. It's all so clear.
        1. igor67
          igor67 9 December 2013 20: 09
          +3
          Quote: Sasha
          What a difference. It's all so clear.

          Naturally laughing
      2. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 9 December 2013 19: 56
        0
        Tel Avi. As in mimino.
  • Fin
    Fin 9 December 2013 11: 22
    +6
    Somehow it will be a little expensive destroyers. This is so legend, they decided to have a normal fleet, for a pin. dosov not always possible to be missed.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 9 December 2013 11: 44
    +3
    That's how it all turned out. The Germans are building kosher destroyers for Israel so that the Jews can guard Gas.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 9 December 2013 12: 01
      +8
      quote-Germany intends to sell two destroyers to the Israeli fleet, the transaction value is estimated at 1,3 billion dollars, foreign media reported on Saturday.

      These are the destroyers ......... not a word about that. The info is accordingly minus, since it is incomplete.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 9 December 2013 18: 52
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        These are the destroyers ......

        It would be elementary for the author to look at Wikia. Then he would know that there are no destroyers in the modern German Navy... There are frigates F207-F221, F260-F264. The oldest type "Bremen" was built in 79 years.
        Infa is not just incomplete, it is incorrect!
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 9 December 2013 18: 57
          +1
          Quote: Ptah
          Infa is not just incomplete, it is incorrect!

          There is such an expression you shoot offhand and you fall into the top ten. The quote I cite below is confirmation of this. As for Vicki, I didn’t even read it.
          Quote: Apollon
          Maybe just crap.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 9 December 2013 19: 26
            +1
            I'm talking about the "author" of the article. Well, or about the one who posted, if you like ... hi
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 9 December 2013 20: 11
        +5
        Quote: Apollon
        These are the destroyers.

        Destroyer ship, in Israel there are deserts. The desert ship is a camel. URO is loaded on it, it turns out desert rocket ship.Zhenya Lukashin's cordial logic after the third circle "ruff". Everything converges. In general, what the news is, so is the comment.
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  • Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 9 December 2013 12: 09
    +5
    Quote: Apollon
    quote-Germany intends to sell two destroyers to the Israeli fleet, the transaction value is estimated at 1,3 billion dollars, foreign media reported on Saturday.

    These are the destroyers ......... not a word about that. The info is accordingly minus, since it is incomplete.

    Germany does not build destroyers. This is a new frigate F125, or F124 of the "Saxony" class. Maybe a new project, which was not previously known, as with type 218 boats, there is no information about them even on the manufacturer's website
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 9 December 2013 12: 12
      +4
      Quote: Tirpitz
      Germany does not build destroyers. This is a new frigate F125, or F124 class "Saxony". Maybe a new project, which was not previously known, as with type 218 boats, there is no information about them even on the manufacturer’s website


      So I'm talking about something. What to discuss then?! Maybe just crap.
      By the way, you’ve been away a long time ago, but this is a fact!
      1. Tirpitz
        Tirpitz 9 December 2013 12: 25
        +4
        Work, be it wrong. am all the time there. Although I look through the site often, I am up to date with all the news.
    2. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 9 December 2013 15: 17
      +1
      Germany does not build destroyers. This is a new frigate F125, or F124 of the "Saxony" class. Maybe a new project, which was not previously known, as with type 218 boats, there is no information about them even on the manufacturer's website

      Most likely it will be corvettes. Perhaps frigates. Destroyers are unlikely.
  • VADEL
    VADEL 9 December 2013 12: 25
    +3
    Let them check the coloring before receiving. Greenpeace to help them wink .
  • sashka
    sashka 9 December 2013 12: 47
    0
    Suitcase in the cemetery. But after all, there are no other options .. Moreover, they do not offer ..
  • Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 9 December 2013 13: 03
    +3
    Some are Armed, others are Armed.
  • sashka
    sashka 9 December 2013 13: 18
    +2
    Respecting you all. I do not intend to argue. Us Rat. And you yoke.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 9 December 2013 23: 55
      -5
      Quote: Sasha
      Respecting you all. I do not intend to argue. Us Rat. And you yoke.


      My slaves disagree with you lol
  • Altona
    Altona 9 December 2013 13: 38
    +1
    Israel has found what was there ... So, please do not bully the destroyers, this is to protect Russian business ...
    Gazprom ceded possible projects on the Israeli Mediterranean shelf to NOVATEK, Russia's largest private gas producer. This was stated in an interview with official Russian news agencies by Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 10 December 2013 02: 54
      -1
      Quote: Altona
      Gazprom ceded possible projects on the Israeli Mediterranean shelf to NOVATEK, Russia's largest private gas producer. This was stated in an interview with official Russian news agencies by Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.


      Well, everything is clear with Gazprom, but at the head of the "Russian" "NOVOTEK" who stands, will you tell me? Also, probably, some kind of "Bracket" laughing
  • starhina01
    starhina01 9 December 2013 14: 28
    +1
    strange as it is still not heard the Israelis themselves wondering what they themselves think about it hi
    1. sashka
      sashka 9 December 2013 14: 47
      +2
      Maybe the "professor" has a "thought".
    2. faraon
      faraon 9 December 2013 15: 01
      +3
      Why can’t I hear it? I’m constantly looking at the site, but there are few topics that interest me. Write for about Ukraine they will answer again, the Midsons are selling Nenko Ukraine.

      Well. and as for gas fields and their development, this is indeed so. Moreover, this is confirmed by Av. Liberman. Rather, this is one of the agreements, as regards the topic on Syria and Iran. So it’s not so simple, but for protection and patrols need more serious means than a detachment of military boats, so the order of the destroyers is just in time.
  • sashka
    sashka 9 December 2013 14: 44
    +1
    ShturmKGB
    Protect the pipeline and clean the coast from the Arabs ...

    Fair. Thank.
  • faraon
    faraon 9 December 2013 14: 46
    -2
    [quote = ShturmKGB] Protect the pipeline and clean the coast from the Arabs ... [/ quot


    To clean the coast, there is a detachment of combat boats "Yard", and to patrol the pipeline, destroyers are needed, since for Israel this is a strategically important object.
    1. sashka
      sashka 9 December 2013 14: 58
      +1
      I'm nobody. and no way to call. Thanks for the feedback.
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  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 9 December 2013 14: 56
    +2
    Currently, the largest ships of the "sea zone" of the Israeli Navy are
    three non-nuclear submarines of the Dolphin class (+ 3 under construction) - German-built, the queenessence of boats Type209 and Type212 with increased dimensions. The most expensive combat system of the Israeli Armed Forces - the cost of each boat is estimated at 700 million dollars. It is noteworthy that the first two submarines were presented to Israel as an apology for the Holocaust.



    Diesel-electric GEM + non-volatile hydrogen-powered propulsion system, allowing weeks to not rise to the surface. Combat qualities, with the right tactical application, approach nuclear submarines, and in many respects (stealth) they surpass submarines. Equipped with a nuclear warhead, they can provide the doctrine of guaranteed retaliation in the event of an attack on Israel using weapons of mass destruction. [

    Of the surface warships - the largest are three multipurpose stealth corvettes of the Saar 5 type - Eilat, Lahav, Hanit. Built in the USA. They carry strike and defensive weapons - 16 anti-ship missiles, Barak air defense missile systems, anti-aircraft and universal artillery, a helicopter

    1. Pimply
      Pimply 9 December 2013 15: 43
      +1
      First, Oleg, boats 4. Secondly, the boats were donated after 1991, when, after the shelling of Israel by Israel and the Gulf War, the extent of cooperation between German companies and Iraq became clear. It did not look (in the context of the Holocaust). So the boats were presented. But the boats were not direct compensation for him.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 9 December 2013 15: 51
        +3
        Eugene, where is 4, if there are three of them. The rest are not finished yet.
        Quote: Pimply
        when, after the shelling of Israel by Israel and the Gulf War, the extent of cooperation between German companies and Iraq became clear. It looked (in the context of the Holocaust) not very

        How are Iraq and the Holocaust related?
        1. Tatarus
          Tatarus 9 December 2013 16: 09
          +8
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          How are Iraq and the Holocaust related?


          Here you are funny. How is this what? Israel confronts the whole world. Whatever happens, even in New Guinea, if a Jew is needed, they will see a connection with the Holocaust there.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 9 December 2013 17: 24
            -1
            Quote: Tatarus
            Here you are funny. How is this what? Israel confronts the whole world. Whatever happens, even in New Guinea, if a Jew is needed, they will see a connection with the Holocaust there.

            In this case, the Germans saw a connection with the Holocaust - it was they who paid.
          2. Rav Seren
            Rav Seren 9 December 2013 18: 09
            +1
            Israel just does not oppose anyone - it has one - to be left alone.
            1. sashka
              sashka 14 December 2013 10: 05
              0
              Quote: Rav-Seren
              Israel just does not oppose anyone - it has one - to be left alone.

              The task, however, is to Survive. As well as the Outskirts. Some try to conclude alliances trying to sit on two chairs at a discount, with just anyone, "fraternizing" with homosexuals, others "fraternizing" with Arabs. Van Dam has a good clip with trucks. On time and in the subject.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 9 December 2013 17: 24
          +1
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

          SWEET_SIXTEEN (1) Today, 15:51 PM ↑ New
          Eugene, where is 4, if there are three of them. The rest are not finished yet.

          4. "Tanin" was handed over to the Israeli Navy, now they are being refined at Israeli shipyards. The 5th, by the way, was also transferred.

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          How are Iraq and the Holocaust related?

          German firms collaborating with a country trying to actively destroy Israel? Well, what do you think, what is connected. There was large-scale cooperation, and in order to somehow dampen the scandal, the Bundestag paid for the construction of two boats, and another was built at half price.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 9 December 2013 18: 08
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            4. "Tanin" transferred to the Israeli Navy, Now there are improvements already at Israeli shipyards. 5-I, by the way, is also transmitted.

            This means these boats, as combat units, do not yet exist.
            Quote: Pimply
            German firms collaborating with a country trying to actively destroy Israel?

            What's the difference. Germany is a neutral country. Do you sort it out yourself somehow
            Quote: Pimply
            There was a massive collaboration

            And what's so big there. There EMNIP more than France delivered everything, incl. military equipment
            Quote: Pimply
            and to somehow stifle the scandal

            no reason for scandal. I can still understand - for the Holocaust. But for cooperation with Iraq))) When even the United States recognized the regime of Saddam as friendly - as opposed to Iranian fanatics
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 9 December 2013 19: 16
              -4
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              This means these boats, as combat units, do not yet exist.

              The fact that certain improvements are being made does not mean that the boat is not a combat unit. If necessary, a warship can fight without any elements of additional equipment, Oleg.
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              What's the difference. Germany is a neutral country. Do you sort it out yourself somehow

              The neutral country, which is the legal successor of the Third Reich, at one time destroyed 6 million Jews. In contrast to the specific sanctions that existed at that moment. German firms supplied spare parts for rocket equipment and chemical weapons. All this caused quite serious protests in Germany.
              http://www.iraqwatch.org/profiles/missile.html

              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              And what's so big there. There EMNIP more than France delivered everything, incl. military equipment

              France:
              a) did not supply elements for rocket and chemical weapons
              b) did not kill millions of Jews during World War II

              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              no reason for scandal. I can still understand - for the Holocaust. But for cooperation with Iraq))) When even the United States recognized the regime of Saddam as friendly - as opposed to Iranian fanatics

              By 91, Saddam's regime was no longer friendly to the United States, and sanctions were imposed on the country.
              Oleg, you don’t understand - but the fact remains. The cooperation of German firms with Iraq then aroused great indignation in Germany itself.
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 9 December 2013 20: 53
                -1
                Quote: Pimply
                The fact that certain improvements are underway does not mean that the boat is not a combat unit

                They are not accepted into the current composition. They have no crew. They have not yet passed the acceptance and acceptance tests. They are NOT combat units.
                Quote: Pimply
                The neutral country, which is the legal successor of the Third Reich, at one time destroyed 6 million Jews

                the cost of each boat is 700 mln. x 2 = 1400 mln.
                1400 / 6 = 233 dollars / person
                Definitely cheaper.
                Quote: Pimply
                German firms supplied parts for rocket equipment and chemical weapons

                Which then did not find)))
                And rocket equipment is already a question for the USSR, short-range ballistic missile "Scud", and here Germany
                Quote: Pimply
                France:
                a) did not supply elements for rocket and chemical weapons
                b) did not kill millions of Jews during World War II

                How Iraq and the Holocaust can be connected request
                I understand for the Holocaust - but Iraq.
                Quote: Pimply
                By 91, Saddam's regime was no longer friendly to the United States, and sanctions were imposed on the country.

                In what years did the FRG and Iraq cooperate?
                And from what year have sanctions been imposed on Iraq?
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah 9 December 2013 23: 50
                  -1
                  the cost of each boat is 700 mln. x 2 = 1400 mln.
                  1400 / 6 = 233 dollars / person
                  Definitely cheaper.

                  Maybe such an atavism as "conscience" has appeared. Hardly ...
                  Quote: Pimply
                  The neutral country, which is the legal successor of the Third Reich, at one time destroyed 6 million Jews. In contrast to the specific sanctions that existed at that moment.

                  In two sentences he lied three times.
                  1. Germany is not LawReceiver III Reichа.
                  2. Shortly after Hitler came to power World Jewry declared a “holy war” the new regime, expressed in the economic and financial boycott of Germany. At the same time, then in Europe and the USA in March 1933, an “anti-Nazi” boycott began.
                  Hanotea company in Germany takes care of the departure of wealthy German Jews and the transfer of their foreign currency to Palestine. In response to the Jewish boycott of Germany, Goebbels responded with a one-day anti-Jewish boycott on April 1, 1933.
                  Any government, in this case, must adequately respond to such actions. In fact, the "fifth column" on its territory. That it is the beginning. Consequences - 40.000.000 dead in Europe (goyim). And Israel "blossomed and smell" ...
                  3.
                  Auschwitz [Auschwitz], the notorious concentration camp in Poland, has become synonymous with the time period that we remember as the Holocaust. For almost 50 years, students around the world have taught that “From "six million Jews exterminated by the Nazis, four million of these innocent souls died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
                  73.137 - This figure - staggering in its decline from 4.000.000 - was indicated in a report dated March 3, 1991 in the New York Times. It was based on documents from German wartime concentration camps.
                  This figure includes 38.031 Jews. .

                  How many Jews were simply "missing"? but the figure of sixmuliens, for some reason, "did not decrease."
                  What kind of people, who, when finding out about the reduced number of dead tribesmen, was not happy, but rushed to introduce repressions around the world in this regard. Don't "want" to believe .....

                  Apparently, then they should ask for an "investigative experiment" what
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Ptah
                    1. Germany is not the LAW receiver of III Reich.
                    Yes? And international documents, including domestic and international agreements, acts, debts, the continuation of the vast majority of laws (primarily the Civil Code), as well as the actions of the military administrations of the Allies until about 1955, considering Germany (already with the existence of the Federal Republic of Germany and East Germany) as a continuation of the Reich (second, republic and third) they say the opposite. Like the position of Bundesrepublik in relation to all previous governments before it. Germany according to all the canons is a limited successor.
                    Quote: Ptah
                    How many Jews were simply "missing"? but the figure of sixmuliens, for some reason, "did not decrease."
                    What kind of people, who, upon finding out about the reduced number of dead fellow tribesmen, was not happy, but rushed to introduce repressions around the world in this regard. They do not "want" to believe ....

                    The people are incredibly respectful. Only, unlike your excellent theories, there are quite intelligible materials from Nuremberg, as well as detailed studies on the topic, and not pieces that are convenient for you, taken out of context. And the materials of various archives, which are so lazy to read, are true, do not leave doubts for such erniches. This is the reason why Jews do not stop remembering the Holocaust - because there are bastards who deny it. And you show all the signs of this. Sorry, but I will not engage in polemics with you.

                    http://imwerden.de/pdf/koch_polyan_bitva_pod_auschwitzem_2008.pdf
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  They are not accepted into the current composition. They have no crew. They have not yet passed the acceptance and acceptance tests. They are NOT combat units.

                  Oleg, damn it, that's what you argue from scratch when you're wrong? I tell you that they are accepted into the composition, the crew is assigned, the boat is undergoing modernization - but already in the fleet, you continue to repeat to me that it is not a combat unit. And what is she, I'm sorry? Let’s write off then any ship undergoing scheduled repairs from the fleet?
                  The crew of the 102nd year, graduating in December 2012. The boat is undergoing various tests and modernization, but has already been assigned to the Israeli Navy and is part of it.


                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  Which then did not find)))
                  And rocket equipment is already a question for the USSR, short-range ballistic missile "Scud", and here Germany

                  Oleg, have I hung up links for beauty, or for you to read? It says in detail which firms that supplied, in what volumes and for what amounts.



                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  the cost of each boat is 700 mln. x 2 = 1400 mln.
                  1400 / 6 = 233 dollars / person
                  Definitely cheaper.

                  Oleg, do not you think that now you have crossed a certain line of decency? To put it mildly.
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  How Iraq and the Holocaust can be connected
                  I understand for the Holocaust - but Iraq.

                  Oleg, I gave you a specific link, to a specific scandal, to specific reasons that were justified and officially published. You’re specifically turning on the fool now, or should I somehow change my mind about your mental abilities (which, you see, would be somewhat strange). But in the light of your calculations of the cost of Jewish lives, I am somehow strongly drawn to do this.
              2. old rocket man
                old rocket man 10 December 2013 03: 03
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                France:
                a) did not supply elements for rocket and chemical weapons
                b) did not kill millions of Jews during World War II


                That's right, she didn’t kill herself. She herself "only" passed on to the Germansand even those radishes killed, and the French did not even guess laughing
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Old Rocketman
                  That's right, she didn't kill, herself. She "only" passed them on to the Germans, and those radishes killed, and the French did not even know

                  Right. But the main historical duty lies with Germany. And there they remember it.
                  1. old rocket man
                    old rocket man 10 December 2013 15: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Quote: Old Rocketman
                    That's right, she didn't kill, herself. She "only" passed them on to the Germans, and those radishes killed, and the French did not even know

                    Right. But the main historical duty lies with Germany. And there they remember it.

                    Quote: Pimply
                    Right. But the main historical duty lies with Germany. And there they remember it.


                    Well, probably all the same on Hitler and fascism, and not on Germany?
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 10 December 2013 19: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Old Rocketman
                      Well, probably all the same on Hitler and fascism, and not on Germany?

                      For starters, fascism was in Italy. There was Nazism in Germany. Secondly, it is in Germany. Nazism and Hitler are only part of its history.
          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 9 December 2013 19: 11
            -1
            Quote: Pimply
            Now there are improvements already at Israeli shipyards.

            It remains only to specify in which countries these Jewish shipyards.
            So, as in Israel with this tight.
            Eugene will enlighten us, where are these shipyards? hi
            Preferably with pictures.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 9 December 2013 19: 33
              -1
              Quote: Papakiko
              Eugene will enlighten us, where are these shipyards?
              Preferably with pictures.

              In his characteristic "expert in everything" manner ... laughing
              Follow the link - take care of the brain! Trying to understand what is written, you can easily feel the signs of insanity. wassat

              pupyrchaty.livejournal.com

              instagram.com/pupyrchaty
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 51
                -3
                Quote: Ptah
                Follow the link - take care of the brain! Trying to understand what is written, you can easily feel the signs of insanity.


                It is even more surprising that for what you feel signs of insanity from, I, in addition to my main activity, doing this as a hobby, get a couple of average Russian salaries per month. How is your brain? 8)
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 10 December 2013 00: 09
              +2
              Quote: Papakiko
              Quote: Pimply
              Now there are improvements already at Israeli shipyards.

              It remains only to specify in which countries these Jewish shipyards.
              So, as in Israel with this tight.
              Eugene will enlighten us, where are these shipyards? hi
              Preferably with pictures.


              The Navy shipyard ("Masfenat Heil ha-Yam") - located in Haifa. There are also branches at other naval bases (for example, Masfenot Eilat). It is engaged in the repair and modernization of ships and boats, the installation of various equipment on them. In addition, the shipyard's workshops repair and modernize weapons, coastal detection systems, and port mechanisms.

              With pictures lol

              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 10 December 2013 08: 33
                +1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                The Navy shipyard ("Masfenat Heil ha-Yam") - located in Haifa. There are branches at other naval bases (for example, "Masfenot Eilat")

                The master of war.
                Here are such pictures from google maps I will see and the scale shipyard cause tears of tenderness.
                In order not to be amazed at the scale and capabilities of the shipyards, it was necessary to find a photo without 12 meter containers in the background !!!!
                The average size of "dolphins" is 56,3 m long. Width is 6,8 m.
                draft - 7,0 m.

                Which of the barn indicated in the photo will enter this diesel submarine?
                At "your shipyards" you are respected together with Eugene you can only clean the lathes from these boats.
                balabol
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  The master of war.
                  These are the pictures I see from Google maps and the scale of the shipyards cause tears of tenderness.
                  In order not to be amazed at the scale and capabilities of the shipyards, it was necessary to find a photo without 12 meter containers in the background !!!!
                  The average size of "dolphins" is 56,3 m long. Width is 6,8 m.
                  draft - 7,0 m.
                  Which of the barn indicated in the photo will enter this diesel submarine?
                  At "your shipyards" you respected together with Eugene can only clean the latrines of these boats.
                  balabol


                  Someone said that the shipyard is one? Or are all shipyards public?
                2. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 10 December 2013 14: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  Which of the barn indicated in the photo will enter this diesel submarine?


            3. Pimply
              Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 46
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              Quote: Pimply
              Now there are improvements already at Israeli shipyards.

              It remains only to specify in which countries these Jewish shipyards.
              So, as in Israel with this tight.
              Eugene will enlighten us, where are these shipyards? hi
              Preferably with pictures.

              Have you been banned by Google?

              http://wikimapia.org/16117874/ru/%C2%AB%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8
              C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D0%B8
              % C2% BB
            4. Rav Seren
              Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 15
              0
              Israeli shipyards are building Reshef missile-carrying ships, patrol and patrol boats of the Dabur and Shaldag, Yard and Super Yard types for the Navy.
              "Unmanned" boats Protector manufactured by "Rafael" company have been accepted into the Israeli navy. They do not carry a crew and are controlled from ground stations.
              Boats are highly maneuverable and capable of carrying both tracking equipment and remote-controlled weapons.
      2. Professor
        Professor 9 December 2013 15: 52
        +4
        Quote: Pimply
        Secondly, the boats were donated

        I clarify, not all boats were donated. Partly paid for partly, for the rest in full.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 9 December 2013 17: 27
          +3
          Two were donated, the construction of the second was subsidized by 50%. All other boats were paid from fully from the treasury of Israel.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 9 December 2013 22: 49
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            paid "out" entirely from the treasury of Israel.

            Well done, Eugene, not by chance of wrote.
            How many lards does the Pentagon measure annually to help the "young republic"?
            Or how much can Jewish billionaires from tips and pocketbooks send to support the trousers of the "small homeland"?
            Larry Ellison with 36 billion dollars.
            Warren Buffett with $ 24,9 billion.
            Michael Bloomberg 22 billion.
            George Soros 20 billion dollars.
            Sergey Brin and Larry Page for 18,7 billion.
            Mark Zuckerberg 17,5 billion.
            Michael Dell 15,9 billion.
            Steve Ballmer 15,7 billion.
            Karl Aikan 14 billion.
            Joseph Safra 13,8 billion dollars.
            Roman Abramovich 12,1 billion.
            Len Blavatnik 11,9 billion.
            couturier Ralph Lauren (7,5 billion)
            And it is without financial structures.
            JPMorgan Chase, Berkshire Hathaway, ExxonMobil (Standard Oil by John Rockefeller), etc., etc.
            They sit and do not go and do not sleep in the Knesset and in the government of Israel, every shekel is counted. good
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 10 December 2013 13: 58
              +1
              Quote: Papakiko
              How many lards does the Pentagon measure annually to help the "young republic"?

              The Pentagon, according to the agreement on cooperation in the development of missile defense - about 288 million. US Congress - 3 billion. As much as Egypt, for example. In return for these three billion, Israel gave a piece of land the size of two of itself, stuffed to the eyeballs with minerals and hydrocarbons, and also has to endure the supply of the Egyptian army with the latest weapons. Do you really think this is a win, these three billion? Yes, this is a significant help. But do you really think that is decisive. And yes, this money comes precisely from the budget of Israel, because American military assistance can be spent only in the States.

              As for support, ask them. The public spending of these guys is open.

              And there is no need here for another story about the ZOG. Or do you want somewhere around the world to have a behind-the-scenes scene, understandable to your little fears?
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 10 December 2013 20: 57
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                In return for these three billion, Israel gave a piece of land the size of two of itself, packed to the eyeballs with minerals and hydrocarbons

                Whistling is not forbidden beautifully.
                But one whistled on him and he stopped.
                there was not a centimeter of Jewish land with or without subsoil. Wash the drech Eugene and do not smell.
                Зand for 50 years, American aid to Israel amounted to $ 81,3 billion. In 2001, Israel received $ 2,8 billion from the United States. These are the figures for 2003.
                Another 10 years have passed. How much land of Israel has absorbed $ ????
                In 1998-2007 he received an average of 2,4 billion dollars a year, and for the period from 2008 to 2017, an agreement was reached on the annual transfer of 2,9-3,1 billion to Israel.
                Under the new treaty, the United States will provide $ 2018 billion in military assistance to Israel from 2027 to 40. And this is 4.4 lard per year. Are appetites increasing or expenses?
                This manna is heavenly under the program of foreign military financing (Foreign Military Financing), FMF. And there are also DCS and a number of unofficial ones.
                Quote: Pimply
                The public spending of these guys is open.

                For public spending, you go to Amsterdam.
                Quote: Pimply
                To your little fears

                Am I wearing a kalakost and on every corner I sob about the exclusivity of my non-Jewish race ????
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 10 December 2013 23: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  For 50 years, US assistance to Israel amounted to $ 81,3 billion. In 2001, Israel received $ 2,8 billion from the United States. These are the figures for 2003.

                  Will you be able to give a layout by year? And can you tell us when the help began to increase? In parallel, give the layout of aid to the Arab countries? Parallel to see the Sinai Square? Tell - are you familiar with the term inflation, and are you aware of how much "lighter", for example, the dollar has become in comparison with the year 1980.
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  For public spending, you go to Amsterdam.

                  You are ridiculously ridiculous in your tantrum. You are afraid of everything, and from your fear look for enemies for yourself, trying to lower the situation to a level you understand. One trouble - knowledge is not enough, and the level is low.
                  Kindergarten, I'm sorry 8) Are you trying to insult me ​​or the Jewish people as a whole subtly and gracefully - but there is not enough knowledge or skill. And then, puffing up, you go over to the language of direct rudeness that you understand, expecting hatred from me - only do you really think that you cause any feelings besides a slight disgust? Inept troll, leader of shkololo 8)
                  1. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 11 December 2013 01: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Inept troll

                    I’ll go fucked up, the kosher megatrol saw through, everything was gone.
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Will you be able to give a layout for years?

                    And I need it, dig in your kakah?
                    Once again I poked you in your kaki.
                    Quote: Pimply
                    US Congress - 3 billion. As much as Egypt

                    The Egyptians received 2012lard in the framework of the FMF program in 1.3. Is this differently more than half less than the Israelis received, or am I bad at math for grade 1?
                    Quote: Pimply
                    In return for these three billion, Israel gave a piece of land the size of two itself

                    In total, Israel received according to official figures for 100 lard, and the reason for your crocodile tears is not clear.
                    Quote: Pimply
                    with the term inflation, and whether you know how much "lighter" the dollar has become, for example, compared to the year 1980.

                    Google "iPhone" do not be ashamed and do not be shy. The worldview will expand in your kosher head clogged with fears and phobias.
                    Quote: Pimply
                    One trouble

                    Indeed one, the world Jewish conspiracy. Further, I think bubbly Eugene will repeatedly give the opportunity to postebat over him and will continue to miss the topic. laughing
            2. Rav Seren
              Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 22
              0
              Warren Buffett - not a Jew. Like Morgan and the Rockefellers too.
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 10 December 2013 20: 35
                0
                Quote: Rav-Seren
                Warren Buffett - not a Jew. Like Morgan and the Rockefellers too.

                Yes, you sho?
    2. Tatarus
      Tatarus 9 December 2013 16: 07
      15
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      It is noteworthy that the first two submarines were presented to Israel as an apology for the Holocaust.


      Oh sorry Mongolia does not produce anything so good. Wow, for IGO we would ask them.
      1. catapractic
        catapractic 9 December 2013 18: 33
        +3
        here it’s possible to line up with claims to Mongolia for the yoke, conquest, ruin and genocide-China, Wed Asia, Russia, countries of the Middle East and ...
      2. alone
        alone 9 December 2013 22: 15
        +1
        Quote: Tatarus
        Oh sorry Mongolia does not produce anything so good. Wow, for IGO we would ask them.


        Well, from the Mongols you can take only lamb)) they have this good in bulk))
      3. Dezzed
        Dezzed 9 December 2013 22: 29
        0
        Quote: Tatarus
        Oh sorry Mongolia produces nothing so good


        Are you not interested in lamb?
      4. atalef
        atalef 10 December 2013 09: 14
        +2
        Quote: Tatarus
        Oh sorry Mongolia does not produce anything so good. Wow, for IGO we would ask them.

        And what are you so worried about, the USSR and Russia in terms of the number of donated guns Half of Africa, the Middle East and Asia are far ahead of Germany. Did you try to count your grandmas? Or German with Jewish peace do not give.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 9 December 2013 16: 22
    +2
    That the Jews did not bother the Germans with buying equipment, or again, what reason did they find to bend the Teutons and supposedly buy a freebie?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 9 December 2013 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      That the Jews did not bother the Germans with buying equipment, or again, what reason did they find to bend the Teutons and supposedly buy a freebie?

      Germans have the best boats of this class.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 9 December 2013 21: 15
        0
        Some electric bots were worth it.
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 9 December 2013 19: 17
      -4
      Quote: ed65b
      again, what reason did they find to bend the Teutons and supposedly buy a freebie?
      The Germans are far from all Teutons.
      And the reason will be similar. Again, they probably found another grave with a hundred or two exterminated Jews.
      -Who destroyed?
      - Taki exclusively Jews!
      - And who destroyed?
      - Taki GERMANS!
      “Where are the corpses?”
      - Taki burned ...
      - Where is the ash?
      - Shaw vi. Dispelled .... Now we will take a valuable (?) Mineral fertilizer!
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 9 December 2013 22: 31
        +4
        Your expressions are not worthy.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 9 December 2013 17: 06
    +2
    Germany intends to sell to the Israeli fleet

    so sell or give for the past, present and future suffering of the Jewish people from the outside world?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 9 December 2013 17: 28
      +1
      To sell. It is about buying boats. Do you personally have any problems with the suffering of the Jewish people? Are you jealous of the death toll?
    2. 755962
      755962 9 December 2013 17: 38
      -1
      Quote: andrei332809
      so sell or give for the past, present and future suffering of the Jewish people from the outside world?

      On what conditions Germany will deliver destroyers to Israel is still unknown. Earlier, Israel acquired military equipment from Germany with significant discounts. In particular, up to a third of the construction cost of the Dolphin-type submarines of the modified Type 209 project for the Israeli Navy was paid by Germany. The equipment was supplied by German enterprises on these conditions at the expense of the historical debt to Israel for the Holocaust.


      http://lenta.ru/news/2013/12/09/destroyer/
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 9 December 2013 19: 18
        +4
        Quote: 755962
        The equipment was supplied by German enterprises on these conditions at the expense of the historical debt to Israel for the Holocaust.

        The private opinion of the editor of the Lenta.ru does not always correspond to reality.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 December 2013 18: 14
    +1
    According to the newspaper, the discovery of large natural gas fields in 2009 was a pleasant surprise for Israel.
    The professor disappeared .. Probably he is drilling hard wells .. (to spite Gazprom))) ??? Soon the photo will be posted ... bully
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 9 December 2013 18: 20
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The professor disappeared .. Probably he is drilling hard wells .. (to spite Gazprom))) ??? Soon the photo will be uploaded ..

      What did you take the professor to the front sight. Well, he’ll drill well and .... on health. Jokes and maybe really lay out. What will Vitaly do then, asks to be taken as a share, I doubt it ?! laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor 9 December 2013 18: 37
        +7
        Quote: Apollon
        e. Jokes or maybe really lay out.

        It will not rust after me.



        1. Apollo
          Apollo 9 December 2013 18: 42
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          It will not rust after me.

          And I see you right here. Now I know how to make you appear on the forum. It is enough to bow your nickname. IMHO. laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 9 December 2013 18: 51
            +5
            Quote: Apollon
            Now I know how to make you appear on the forum

            Even easier, post an interesting topic and I'll be there right there. wink
    2. catapractic
      catapractic 9 December 2013 18: 35
      +3
      and he will have his own national treasure laughing
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 December 2013 18: 27
    +3
    Quote: Apollon
    Quote: MIKHAN
    The professor disappeared .. Probably he is drilling hard wells .. (to spite Gazprom))) ??? Soon the photo will be uploaded ..

    What did you take the professor to the front sight. Well, he’ll drill well and .... on health. Jokes and maybe really lay out. What will Vitaly do then, asks to be taken as a share, I doubt it ?! laughing

    Good evening Apollon! I am kindly spiteful .. The professor writes interestingly always read .. (missed seeing ..))) fellow
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 9 December 2013 18: 39
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Good evening Apollon!

      kind hi
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I am kindly malicious

      I know, in other words, kidding. Humor, a good thing.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Professor writes interestingly

      Would add and "butt" sometimes. laughing
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 December 2013 19: 16
    +4
    Quote: Apollon
    Would add and "butt" sometimes

    He knows how to keep defense competently .. and if he counterattacks ...! ))) I respect such ..!
    1. alone
      alone 9 December 2013 22: 17
      +4
      The professor honestly deserves respect. Not everyone is destined to fight alone with so many ill-wishers)) hi
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 9 December 2013 22: 34
        +5
        Quote: lonely
        .work alone


        Well, I and the boys are also a little bit of pre-suppression.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 10 December 2013 09: 18
          0
          Quote: DezzeD
          also by smallness

          I didn’t write it. But how offended when it comes to the elephant and Moska comes.
  • Patriot.ru.
    Patriot.ru. 9 December 2013 20: 17
    -2
    In order to protect the gas pipeline, the coast guards of the MRK DBK Esminzi are quite unnecessary.
    1. atalef
      atalef 9 December 2013 21: 00
      +5
      Quote: Patriot.ru.
      In order to protect the gas pipeline, the coast guards of the MRK DBK Esminzi are quite unnecessary.

      Given the fact that wells are 100 km from the coast?
    2. Rav Seren
      Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 31
      +2
      The gas pipeline is laid in the sea - it goes from the wells to the gas processing plant, and later - through the sea to Cyprus and Greece. How will you protect it from the coast?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 9 December 2013 21: 17
    0
    Or maybe buy a Varshavyanka from us?
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 10 December 2013 00: 31
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      Or maybe buy a Varshavyanka from us?


      Meaning? We set up our electronics anyway, but the German ones are more reliable (reputation) and quieter, and they have not yet created an air-independent hydrogen power plant for Warsaw women.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 10 December 2013 14: 12
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      Or maybe buy a Varshavyanka from us?

      Varshavyanki lagged behind a generation, or even two. This has been said more than once.
    3. Rav Seren
      Rav Seren 10 December 2013 14: 33
      0
      Antique trash.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 10 December 2013 02: 52
    -1
    Here is the planned adversary of our planned Mediterranean squadron.
    Calculation of required forces should now take into account the prospects of the Israeli Navy. Just one note, but in theory, the GShVMF, in theory, the operational department itself does not sleep now and does not give intelligence until it finds out. It's good that I'm civilian.
  • clidon
    clidon 10 December 2013 06: 57
    +2
    It is clear that there will be no destroyers. The Germans are not producing them now, and they are not needed for such tasks. Most likely it will be large corvettes or frigates. But nothing will stop them from being called a destroyer. There is Iran that just does not call. )
  • Apologet insane
    Apologet insane 10 December 2013 07: 22
    +1
    Oh, how the Israeli state is haunting our powerful patriots. Even Holocaust denial was recalled in the comments. How great the inferiority complex is for many, that even without Stalin’s Bolshevism and Stalin’s anti-Semitism, they simply didn’t like life.
  • twviewer
    twviewer 10 December 2013 08: 05
    0
    two destroyers, the transaction value is estimated at 1,3 billion dollars ???
    hmm without Aegis and with his weapons may squeeze in, but why terminators for protection is not clear
    1. Apologet insane
      Apologet insane 10 December 2013 10: 58
      +1
      If the destroyers really mean frigates, since there are no destroyers in the Deutsch Marina, then their cost with Aegis is no more than 700 million dollars apiece. So it’s quite possible to meet the full forcemeat.
      1. Apologet insane
        Apologet insane 10 December 2013 11: 00
        +1
        Although the Germans and Aegis do not have =)
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 10 December 2013 15: 14
      +1
      We don’t take Ajis - we produce our BIOS;
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 December 2013 19: 26
    0
    In general, I think if Israel honestly with Russia (first of all) and with other border countries had normal negotiations and strictly abided by the agreement .. Israel would not have needed all these destroyers of nuclear weapons tanks, etc. I dreamed a little .. bully
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 10 December 2013 21: 53
      +2
      And you try to agree with the Wahhabis who are jumping through the woods, they are eating the human liver and the boshka, if it works out, we will follow your example with pleasure!
      He also dreamed a little ... bully
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 11 December 2013 00: 36
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      In general, I think if Israel had conducted normal negotiations with other countries ...


      Last week:

      Israeli President Shimon Peres has expressed readiness to meet with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.
      Answering a question from CNN host Richard Quest, Perez said, “Why not? I have no enemies, it's a matter of politics, not personal affection. Our goal is to turn enemies into friends.


      Today:

      On Tuesday, the Iranian Foreign Ministry rejected the offer of President Shimon Peres, who wants to meet with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, AFP reports.
      Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afham categorically opposed the meeting with an Israeli politician and stated that her country would not recognize the state of Israel.


      So who to talk to?