In Transbaikalia and Primorye, Cossack companies are gaining

A good opportunity to serve in the army together with the countrymen and in accordance with the traditions adopted by them appeared among young Cossacks from Transbaikalia and Primorye.

The commanders of the motorized rifle brigade and the marines ’units stationed in these regions were just allowed to recruit in one of their units with recruits called up from the Cossack communities of the Far Eastern region.

The experience that the local military registration and enlistment offices have accumulated by sending young Cossacks to serve in "specialized" military units has long found support from the district command and the leadership of the regions. According to experts, young men brought up in childhood in an effort to defend the Fatherland, as a rule, are more prepared for military service than their peers at the time of the call.

The head of the press service of the Eastern Military District, Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Gordeyev told the RG correspondent that the command plans include transferring Cossack units to a contract basis. So, today's recruits, who, after military service, have decided to remain in the army for a contract, may in the future be the backbone of professional Cossack units.

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[d1m1drol]

Garno lads!

[A.YARY]

Oh, kindly, so throughout Rasea from Brest to Nakhodka!

[domokl]

Quote: A.YARY

Oh, kindly, so all over Rasea would be!

And so long ago it is. Only in Cossacks there were never particularly Cossacks. On the borders lived more. Peasants in the center. And beyond the Urals the Cossacks were, are and will be. Like when the ancestors took these lands, so the descendants live ... And they’re not letting anyone in.

[A.YARY]

Alexander
In the region, which was granted to Prince of Siberia (Ermak) by Tsar Ivan IV, this is a special thing!

But DON in his soul "settled" ahead of time, as well as in his brother the Ring that "with his brow and Siberia beat before the tsar."

[RUSS]

domoki in Ryazan and Lipetsk, Volgograd (Tsaritsyn), Voronezh, Yakutsk and the Don were and are Cossacks, and this is not the outskirts.

[CTEPX]

Quote: domokl

Only in Russia there were never particularly Cossacks. They lived more along the borders.

Maybe that’s why in our center of Russia, Cossacks are mainly operative, but you won’t find Cossack clubs to prepare for military service.
God forbid, if the Transbaikal people and the Far East have a different way.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: ctepx

God forbid, if the Transbaikal people and the Far East have a different way.

In Transbaikalia, only the barracks built in the 18-19th century remained from the Cossacks. If there are, it is mostly "mummers" Bukhari.

[Stanislas]

Quote: ctepx

Maybe that’s why in our center of Russia, Cossacks are mainly operative, but you won’t find Cossack clubs to prepare for military service.

You will not find Cossacks even on our outskirts: all gentlemen, Ahvitser, there is not enough time for horse-riding.

[Greenwood]

Quote: domokl

And they’re not letting anyone in.

In addition to several hundred thousand Caucasians, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese. And nobody at all.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: A.YARY

Oh, kindly, so throughout Rasea from Brest to Nakhodka!

Have you seen our Cossacks? They are more reminiscent of the lads than real Cossacks. And to register or join the Cossacks can any bruise.

[Canep]

I heard the Cossacks openly cover the business.

A good opportunity to serve in the army together with the countrymen and in accordance with the traditions adopted by them appeared among young Cossacks from Transbaikalia and Primorye.

They will give them horses, checkers and whips, or with their own come as it was under the king? My opinion - mummers clowns, who hunt gangsters. In Kazakhstan, the Cossacks were dispersed and correctly done. Cossacks in the old days worked on the land and defended the border, for which they were exempted from taxes. What are they doing now? - dress up in a Cossack uniform and ponte bash. Cossacks died at the beginning of the 20th century, reviving it we get zombies. Judging by the deeds, then this is so. And you can minus how much will fit.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Canep

I heard the Cossacks openly cover the business.

They used to try to protect, then they were told their place. We do not have Cossacks, we have clowns mummers

Quote: Canep

Ponte pound.

[Canep]

Cossacks among the Turkic peoples were called people who lagged behind the Horde, isolated, leading their economy separately. But gradually they began to call so dangerous people who hunted robbery, robbed fellow tribesmen.

http://topwar.ru/31453-kto-zhe-ty-ermak-alenin.html
Very accurate.

[tor11121]

rave! Believe it yourself?

[RUSS]

Romanov, you are a clown dressed up, judging by your avatar, a clown in a suit with a cigar.
Go and tell the Cossacks that they are clowns, especially those who fought in the Balkans and the Caucasus, you are half of the wise men gathered in front of the monitor chase and drown, and even call the Cossacks clowns, you still play the spools.

[Armata]

Quote: RUSS

Go and tell the Cossacks that they are clowns, especially those who fought in the Balkans and the Caucasus, you are half of the wise men gathered in front of the monitor chase and drown, and even call the Cossacks clowns, you still play the spools.

And I will say that clowns. What can and I just walk in a suit? Do not measure everything according to their own, backward concepts. Real Cossacks live without show-offs. If you don’t believe, ask Tersky.

[smile]

Mechanic
And here I go "in a suit" (even, it's scary to think - not in one) ... :))) And I don't see anything wrong with that :)))

[Andrey Yuryevich]

we have a lot of mummers in the Urals, except for a smile, no emotions, well, purely animators ...

[smile]

RUSS
Come on, you’re in a pose ... okay, the Cossacks are in the original Cossack regions, there they can confront to some extent comrades from the Caucasus, for example, and there they are at least something and bring benefits ... if they do business and not protection .... well, how do you feel about the Kaliningrad Cossacks? And they are ... :)))
Tell you what you can do with them, and what they did in the nineties (now it seems they’ve returned to the framework of the law)? Yes, their form and iconostases of strange awards that they hung on each other without tears cannot be looked at ... and there is no benefit from them, only state money begs .... these are our desperate Königsberg Cossacks.
First of all, the Cossacks need to establish order in their "troops", otherwise there will be no respect for them. And do not be offended by me, until the Cossacks are not coping with the fulfillment of their own declarations and are so polluted by mummers and businessmen that it is unreasonable to perceive it as an organized force, especially as a creative one.

[densh]

Even in Donetsk, we have Cossacks of the Donetsk Palanca of the Zaporizhzhya Troops. At the moment, they don’t even pull on a joke.

[chehywed]

Quote: smile

Well, how do you feel about the Kaliningrad Cossacks? But they are ..

Gee-gee-s. Back in 1988, freshly demobilized, I was eating with a friend in a trolley bus and I saw three clowns at the bus stop: one in a bolognese jacket, a gymnast and a sword belt with a saber, the other in an overcoat, and the third has a hat and blue breeches with stripes (parts of clothing missing in the description correspond to style of the late 80s, such as: "boiled", sneakers, jackets,)
- Vova who is this !?
- And ..that ... It turns out we have the Murmansk Cossacks.

I am a descendant of the Kuban Cossacks and I am not funny.

[tor11121]

A Cossack battalion named after Yermolov (694th separate motorized rifle) who fought in Chechnya, doesn’t look like clowns. Before you hang up such labels, you must at least have an idea.

[lukke]

Well, do not exaggerate. No one, for example, from the 97th or 247th Cossack regiments of the Airborne Forces does not fight with drafts and on horses. About the loss of tradition, etc. etc. You can talk a lot. It all depends on the family, the immediate environment and the state. And so as not to write a lot: answer a simple question, at the present time, would you wish your son to serve in a regular unit where, for example, 10% of people from the Caucasus or in a unit with Cossack traditions may be?

[densh]

Maybe then, to preserve traditions, introduce territorial acquisition. Caucasians may serve with Caucasians, Kubans with Kuban. Imagine the crew of a submarine of the Northern Fleet entirely consisting of inhabitants of the extreme north-lepot, the ancient traditions of Arctic sea animal hunters are preserved.
Or it’s easier to fuck officers if they don’t look at the order.

[lukke]

And can an example from the history of Russia have anyone who would have similar traditions to the Cossacks?

[densh]

Do not be offended, the military settlements of Arakcheev. When residents in peacetime plow the land, but if they need it, they get into the infantry system. During the civil war in the USA, they are recruited from the residents of Frontir. The general theme is very interesting. If it works out, I’ll try to write a separate article. : hi

[lukke]

And I’m not offended) I will read your calculation with interest

[densh]

Just earlier, military settlements were considered as something reactionary (although the project failed).

[coserg 2012]

I lived and live in the Kuban. I was called from Odessa. Three Maldovan cars were hitched in Kotovsk. Two days later, a platoon of Armenians and a small number of Georgians were thrown in the training camp in Pinsk. Two days later they brought all the color of the Baltic. I don’t impose my traditions on anyone, they have their own. Cossack affairs of my great-grandfathers are my holy things. And the current Cossacks are supported by the authorities only because there are no vigilantes to replace replacements. And that's it. We have retirees (mostly pilots) and offended ones (who else got schoolgirls from classmates from school). I don’t need to convince me (it’s useless) I’ll be seen and die.

[yuri p]

"And the current Cossacks are supported by the authorities only because there is no replacement for the vigilantes who have sunk into oblivion."

[yuri p]

Apparently you do not know that the "people from the Caucasus" consisted of the Cossacks, at least three nationalities, one "wild division" is known to many, and the Cossack is not a nation, this estate, for your information, and modern successors do not even know this.

[soldier's grandson]

Kadyrov officially considers himself a Don Cossack, according to him, his grandfather was still in the Don army

[lukke]

He can consider himself anyone, even the son of Zeus - I do not mind. Only "consider yourself" and "be" - as they say in Odessa ....

[lukke]

You mean the "wild division" to what? What does it have to do with the Cossacks? How could a Mohammedan be a member of the Cossacks? It's not interesting to pick documents - read the classics

[soldier's grandson]

According to him, it was in the Don army that he said at the congress of the Don Cossacks

[densh]

Well then, it turns out he was Orthodox?

[lukke]

Well then, it turns out he was Orthodox?

And his son became the supreme mufti of Chechnya, and plus his grandson - in each case, he remembers allah. Dobry was a Cossack, however!) Just how did Ramzan's grandfather, a Don Cossack, end up in deportation along with other Chechens? It turned out to be in the wrong place at the wrong time))) together with the entire tribal village

[densh]

Well, how could a Cossack remain a Muslim?

[RUSS]

Muslims were in the ranks of Cossacks, but more of the non-Christians were Cossacks from Kalmyk Buddhists.

[Stanislas]

Quote: RUSS

Muslims were in the ranks of Cossacks, but more of the non-Christians were Cossacks from Kalmyk Buddhists.

This is among the Don Cossacks, in their banner tricolor even specially yellow (gold) color symbolizes Kalmyk Buddhists. And the Kuban Cossacks had more Mohammedans; in the Kuban tricolor there is their symbolic green color. But the Mohammedan could well be listed in the registers of the Don Cossacks.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Canep

reviving it we get zombies.

Foolishly you can get something else. A Cossack is a free man. At the heart of his social world is the Cossack circle. Therefore, any government that wants to rule this world should not give orders, but negotiate with the circle. Otherwise, the Cossacks are obliged to defend their land. The circle is a democratic cell of the local Cossack government, which does not accept centralized government except in a contractual form. Hence, many of the problems that the Russian authorities faced with these Russian people, who were joined by both the Mohammedans and Buddhists. Does it make sense to revive direct democracy of free people willing to defend their land at the local level? It's not an easy question. If someone said HOW this can be done ... I have not seen a single sane proposal yet. The second cousin brother was chosen as the ataman of the village, but after a couple of years he left this office with the verdict "Don't do figs. Cossacks are all rotatable ...". For myself, I interpreted it this way: they like to devour more than to work for the common good.

[ekzorsist]

Well, firstly, not everything is so sad.
The revival of the irregular Cossack army ... well, if you don’t like that name so much, you can call local self-defense units for example ... or whatever you like, it's not a bad idea.
There are more pros than cons in it ... only here, as always, everything will be mixed in one pile.
But this would be real strength and support of the state on the borders of the country and regions, let's say this with an unstable situation.

[Patton5]

So the Cossacks, in fact, was a different rabble and they were not fools to drink !!! and these are their descendants ...))))

[RUSS]

This "different rabble" defended the Motherland, remember at least 1612 and 1812, the Caucasian Wars, the liberation of the Balkans, the 1st World War, WWII, etc.

[lukke]

"The Cossacks are essentially a different rabble, and they were not fools to drink !!! and these are their descendants ...))))"

that’s Napoleon, the European conqueror, so dragged himself from drunks

[lukke]

Happy commander who has Cossacks. If I had an army of Cossacks alone, I would conquer all of Europe.

Napoleon. 1816.

[Patton5]

Wow, there was someone to make excuses for the situation France led into ... I in no way want to belittle the merit of the Cossacks in the Patriotic War of 1812

[Patton5]

But is the love of drinking directly related to the training and valor of the Cossacks?

[soldier's grandson]

for the first time in history, the Cossacks appeared in the Battle of Kalka on the side of the Mongol Tartars, then they were called "brodniks", and the clothes were similar later and the manner of the cavalry attack too

[complete zero]

drink is not fools, so what? in addition to this "this rabble" (as you call him "for your own", For the land given, the volunteer Faith in the king and the fatherland-the throat gnawed at anyone - the Cossacks are generally unique in their essence formation (will it only be possible to revive?)

[Patton5]

I do not dispute the merit of the Cossacks to the motherland! But this does not change the essence, almost all were accepted into the Cossacks, the main thing is that the faith be Orthodox!

This "different rabble" defended the Motherland, remember at least 1612 and 1812, the Caucasian Wars, the liberation of the Balkans, the 1st World War, WWII, etc.

I remember this, but not everything is so simple ... in the Second World War, for example, the Cossacks fought, including on the side of Hitler!

[chehywed]

Quote: Patton5

So the Cossacks, in fact, was a different rabble

Do not offend. Do not rabble, and the estate. In fact, border guards. Do not confuse with the current.

[A.YARY]

Alexander Romanov good day
In my homeland they call such chavzaks, but a Cossack is not stripes and a boot in a boot, a Cossack is more than a checker and a will, there are no words to write it off in a short and pathos, only you can smell it.

Everyone who speaks negatively about the Cossacks, namely the Cossacks and not the mummers.
I will not mention the merits of the Cossacks from Yugoslavia to Chechnya, who needs to know or learn. But, throwing mud at the Cossacks, having negative examples, in which the mummers have quite succeeded, won't you "throw out the child with water"?
Is it worthless to harass everything and everything?
Who does not like the Cossacks, does not like everything Russian and strong.
There were already in history the persecutors and destroyers of the Cossack seed, but thought better of it, catching it, they turned it back.
Remember that.

[slaventiy]

you’re right a hundred times, the Jewish-Soviet authorities destroyed the Cossacks more than once, one ok Sverdlov-euroza did a scanty thing to do with them. Well, nowadays, too, as usual, foam (mold) is on top, and a normal Cossack - he is a Cossack silently does his the fact is that the ancestors laid him the genes. We have a lot of deputies and other things, not the Cossack who put on the stripes and flaunts in front of TV, and those guys who shed blood in Chechnya for the Fatherland, or for the shit politicians! Praise be to them!

[smile]

slaventiy
The most powerful blow to the Cossacks was Peter 1. Both in quantitative and percentage terms. But something is not heard anathema to tsarism, which destroyed half of the Cossacks by the most atrocious methods, where are the Bolsheviks and white people combined ....
And during the Civil War, the Cossacks divided evenly, like everyone else, and they destroyed each other very zealously ... so that we don’t need perestroika bullshit here ... it’s better to re-read Tikhiy Don, and don’t suffer here about Lieutenants Golitsyn and French rolls ... which the evil Jewish commissars took from the Obolensky’s cornets. of which they made a young lady ... and, in general, an Icelandic Cossack patriot of Russia looks strange somehow, pouring mud on our history from afar ... :)))

[vlad_pr]

I absolutely agree with you. The current "Cossack" is a dog's tail, not a Cossack's son. They only want a special status and budget money.
Sincerely.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And any bruise can sign up or join the Cossacks

Say it in person to the Cossacks from the Ermolovsky battalion or to the inhabitants of the village of Galyugaevskaya in the Stavropol Territory. But I don’t think that you have enough elementary courage to do this, because you will never rise above the level of the sofa terminator. So close your outpourings here too ...
I hope I explained clearly and clearly, dear Alexander Romanov? ..

[smile]

Chicot 1
I believe that Alexander had in mind such Cossacks, as, for example, the Cossacks of the Kaliningrad - and we practically have it, as he put it ...

[alone]

You can’t measure everything with one arshin. Society can be different, there are worthy ones, as Shiko1 showed, there are blue ones, as Romanov pointed out. Actually, I believe that every person should be judged by his actions!

[smile]

alone
I agree here. Completely and unconditionally.

[vlad_pr]

As Kuzmich said in the film "Peculiarities of National Fishing" - "Fools in Russia have been in store for a hundred years ..."

[Alex Danilov]

Anyway brothers! Lovely !!
And in our country (Belarus) the Russian Su-27s landed in Baranovichi !!! Uraaaa! A new Belarusian-Russian air base of the Air Force of the Russian Federation will be created! It is high time!

[yuri p]

... In the XIX-XX centuries. in the official documents of the Russian Empire, the word "Cossack" denoted a person belonging to the Cossack class and a state in which the population of several localities of Russia was listed, who had special rights and duties and at the same time denoted a serviceman of the armed forces of the Russian Empire, mainly cavalry and horse artillery, and lower rank of the Cossack troops. [4] At the same time, in Russian society, in the everyday life of different regions and localities of the empire, the word continued to be used in its other meanings, in particular - "free man", "civilian worker", "free warrior", "bandit", "representative of the Cossack people "and others. [5] [6] [7]" This is from Wikipedia.

[Valentine]

A Cossack without weapons is not a Cossack. For example, I also consider myself a descendant of the free Cossacks of Zaporozhye and Bratslav. And what on the basis of this should the state give me a gun? What happened next? How to disconnect grains from the chaff? Enough to live medieval archaisms and other sharavarism. After the 45th year, we have the whole nation of warriors and victors - THE WHOLE PEOPLE.

[Setrac]

Quote: Valentine

A Cossack without weapons is not a Cossack. For example, I also consider myself a descendant of the free Cossacks of Zaporozhye and Bratslav. And what on the basis of this should the state give me a gun?

You must buy it yourself, as well as other equipment. The state gives you permission to own and use.

Quote: Valentine

What happened next? How to disconnect grains from the chaff?

I already wrote above - to send to live in problem regions - the North Caucasus, the Far East, etc.

[densh]

Well, if you follow the old traditions, your machine / machine gun should be stored at your place, and the faithful armored personnel carrier will wait for its time in the garage.

[Valentine]

So I did not understand, we (you) have a STATE or territory with problem areas?

[Setrac]

Quote: Valentine

So I did not understand, we (you) have a STATE or territory with problem areas?

The meaning of the question is not clear, please clarify the question! Does the state have no territories? I did not mention the "zones" at all.

[svp67]

The news is good, but unlike the Kuban and Don, the Cossacks there are still not so organized, the fact that during the Civil War, in their overwhelming majority, they went "abroad" ...

[gispanec]

Quote: svp67

it affects

where how and who affects ???? ... minus you

[svp67]

Quote: gispanec

where how and who affects ???? ... minus you

Yes, at least TWO, if you so desire. I just have a real opportunity to compare these "troops". Until "Donets" and "Kuban", this is far away.

In the Trans-Baikal Territory, 9 ZKV departments will be located. The exact number of Cossack settlements is not yet clear. The total number of the Cossack population in the Trans-Baikal Territory will be, according to our estimates, about 300 thousand people.

This is from the speech of the ataman of the Transbaikal Cossack Army ... They themselves do not really know what the ZKV is
http://zabmedia.ru/?page=articles&text=380
So, minus as you want

[Setrac]

Quote: svp67

Yes, at least TWO, if you so desire. I just have a real opportunity to compare these "troops". Until "Donets" and "Kuban", this is far away.

I don’t know about the Don Cossacks, but the Kuban really exist. They don’t go to parades, don’t ride horses, they don’t wave a saber. However, they are in the hunting union, although not many hunters, have weapons at home, people standing firmly on their feet.

[realist]

Quote: Setrac

They don’t go to parades, don’t ride horses, they don’t wave a saber.

they walk as fast as they can, and try to wave whips, but more with cops in the wings, in short, the governor weaver keeps this funny army on a short leash, it is customary for local residents to say instead of "d u r a k" - "Cossack", I live nearby - I know

[Setrac]

Quote: Realist

I live near - I know

I live in the Krasnodar Territory, and I don’t see those mummers that you’re talking about. Maybe they are somewhere in the capital of the Kuban, we have other Cossacks.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Setrac

Kuban really exist

Maybe I repeat, until I read the comments, but recently a friend told me how the Kuban Cossacks bleated on a program about Kushchevskaya and Tsapkov in response to a direct question: "Where were you looking?"

[domokl]

Quote: svp67

, but unlike the Kuban and the Don, there the Cossacks are still not so organized,

I don’t agree with you. Siberian and Far Eastern Cossacks are less advertised and get less on TV. However, it is there that the Cossacks actually serve the police in cities, along with the police, and carry out other real tasks. In principle, this has always been the case.
Just yesterday, on the embankment, I saw a real outfit of Cossacks and police. A policeman and two Cossacks with whips. And the pylosers were perfectly dispersed.

[svp67]

Quote: domokl

I do not agree with you. Siberian and Far Eastern Cossacks are less advertised and get less on TV.

Come somehow to Novocherkassk or Rostov-on-Don, especially on holidays, you will understand all the differences ... They do not have ads, this is a lifestyle. It was not in vain that there was talk for a long time about the formation of the Cossack republics ... They are in many ways different than the inhabitants of deep Russia

[Ihrek]

More Cossacks should be involved in our armed forces. I think they are more adapted to military life. Military-patriotic education is laid in them from an early age.

[mirag2]

So it was, if now we try to recreate the "military estate".
But while such freaks as Serdyukov will actually be in power, all this beating his forehead against the wall.

[BARKAS]

Quote: Jamal

. I think they are more adapted to military life.

Cossacks will be better adapted to military life if they are trained to create Cossack cadet corps, special classes in schools from childhood, and you still need to tell people more about Cossacks what they do, what kind of service they have taken, what measures have been taken to educate young people, and now clowns are more advertised who call themselves Cossacks, and in those regions where there was no Cossacks at all, it needs to be fixed. Moreover, Cossacks have much to be proud of.

[Patton5]

Describe what the Cossacks are, and then hang labels!

the more Cossacks have something to be proud of

and there is something to be ashamed of!

[BARKAS]

Quote: Patton5

and there is something to be ashamed of!

Everyone has sins and the Cossacks in the history of our country in their quantity and severity is far from a leader much more important than what the Cossacks are moving to now.

[nerd.su]

Quote: BARKAS

much more important is what the Cossacks are moving to now.

What are the Cossacks moving now?

[BARKAS]

Quote: bot.su

What are the Cossacks moving now?

I think that besides, why are you and another 143 million people, well, or at least most of them.

[A. Yaga]

Quote: BARKAS

create Cossack cadet corps, special classes in schools

And to recruit children of anybody there - democracy!

Quote: BARKAS

Now more advertised clowns calling themselves Cossacks, and in those regions where the Cossacks, and there was no mention

And what kind of regions? Where are the clowns now?

[EdwardTich68]

Yes, the guys simply gave the uniform to the Cossack, then they fought in another and they considered themselves cavalrymen of the Red Army and not Cossacks.

[densh]

So no one called them armored testers. And nobody calls General Dovator a tankman or a submariner. And at the Victory Parade they were not in caps or caps.

[alone]

You are mistaken, the 12th Guards Don Cossack Cavalry Division — at least one of the divisions.

[asadov]

The right decision if only strength and patience was enough to bring everything to an end. And then there were already such ideas, but something died out after six months of endeavor.

[domokl]

A beautiful justification for the formation of a mob reserve from the militarized units of the Cossacks. In principle, everything is correct, there really is no one to defend the borders in that area. Russia has not yet honored the Far East and Siberia with its highest attention. Missiles of the type will solve everything. Only ordinary soldiers and in parts the cat cried population ...
It’s necessary to say openly, it is necessary to revive the Cossacks as servants, and not as mummers. Servants are real, with weapons and a zone of responsibility. As it was in the empire. Otherwise, it is impossible to protect the borders. At least now, in the current demographic situation.

[A.YARY]

Any kings were smarter than the current temporary workers:
All the kings were welcoming "... Cossacks by the fact that they gave the highest WILL TO CREATE STANITES near the borders of Russian and RELEASED FRONDER TRADE IN STANITS from all state taxes, with the condition of "keeping" the borders of the STATE."
Karamzin, Solovyov.

[Stanislas]

Quote: domokl

it is necessary to revive the Cossacks as service people, and not as mummers. The servants are real, with weapons and a zone of responsibility

I’m doubtful of the servants — I doubt the Cossacks.

[pensioner]

Quote: svp67

during the Civil War, they, in their overwhelming majority, went "abroad" ...

I read you and immediately remembered. In the 70s, one Sverdlovsk "historian" defended his dissertation on the topic "On the revolutionary role of the Ural Cossacks ...". And he defended successfully, despite the fact that almost 100% of the Ural Cossacks (how to put it more gently ...) the Bolsheviks and the new government did not like ... It seems like (well, at least my friends historians told me) the Ural Cossacks constituted a significant part of the units of Baron Ungern.

[lukke]

I think there were enough Cossacks for both white and red. For example, take the commander of the second horse - Mironov Philip Kuzmich, from poor Don Cossacks. It’s just that after the Civil War they did not need a new government, and first of all in command posts. Thanks to Leva Bronstein and others

[ele1285]

This is my opinion. After the army, the Cossacks could serve together or instead of the police, especially in Moscow and other large cities. Maybe there would be no Manezhka and Biryulevo. But again, this is my personal opinion.

[creak]

Quote: ele1285

This is my opinion. After the army, the Cossacks could serve together or instead of the police.

It is interesting that it prevented the so-called prepared Cossacks from dealing with the spoiled shtetl shabby, who had been messing up in the village of Kushchevskaya for 12 years, at least instead of the police, if it turned out to be a sale ... Was there not enough drafts and nuts? And no matter how long this all lasts, do not happen the tragedy that roared throughout the country. Therefore, what Manezhka, what Biryulyovo, if they could not or were afraid to put things in order in one village ... Pivososov, of course, is easier and safer to disperse, especially if the police are still nearby ...

[Setrac]

Quote: ranger

It is interesting that it prevented the so-called prepared Cossacks from dealing with the spoiled shtetl shabby, who had been messing around for 12 years in the village of Kushchevskaya, at least instead of the police, if it turned out to be corrupt ...

the same police are in the way. Oddly enough, the police protect the criminals from reprisal.

[ele1285]

If you ask me specifically, I don’t know how they couldn’t and why they were afraid. If it’s abstract, then you can ask ALL of us how we got to such a life.

[Standard Oil]

If you want normal Cossacks, and not operetta ones, then you have to give up the year at least 1917, although 1914 is better, though I think, after seeing what the "grateful" descendants have done to Russia, they will cut themselves from grief and hopelessness. they walk through the taiga, scaring the bears away with the ringing of medals.

[Kulneff2009]

Lubo! A very correct decision!

[vlad_pr]

About the correct decision, I do not agree. Considering those lumpen who call themselves "Cossacks" - they are mostly unworthy members of our society (refers to their elite and ideologists), united by the idea of ​​obtaining a special status, and of course, subsidies from the state budget. As a federal official, I know this very well, I often have to communicate with "this".
Sincerely.

[Setrac]

Quote: vlad_pr

... Considering those lumpen who call themselves "Cossacks" - they are mostly unworthy members of our society (refers to their elite and ideologists), united by the idea of ​​obtaining a special status, and of course, subsidies from the state budget.

Wrong state policy gives rise to "wrong" Cossacks. But the grain from the chaff is easy to separate. Give the Cossacks the right to own and use weapons, exempt from taxes, and allocate an area of ​​residence - for example, the Chechen Republic.

[military]

Quote: Setrac

Wrong state policy gives rise to "wrong" Cossacks. But the grain from the chaff is easy to separate. Give the Cossacks the right to own and use weapons, exempt from taxes, and allocate an area of ​​residence - for example, the Chechen Republic.

Something tells me that when the "wrong" Cossacks are allocated such a "correct" region, the problem of the Cossacks will resolve by itself ...

[Stanislas]

Quote: vlad_pr

"Cossacks" are for the most part (referring to their elite and ideologues) very unworthy members of our society, united by the idea of ​​obtaining a special status, and of course, subsidies from the state budget.

So at the local level, my brother said the same: "Rotatov Cossacks." The idea of ​​reviving the Cossacks is very tempting, but with a high degree of probability it turns into a corrupt "national" project. Catherine II, having read French freethinkers, may have dreamed of some kind of New Russia, the core of which would be free people, but there is not enough small - Russian Karl Marx, who would provide a social project of the Cossacks and a program for its implementation.

[sigizmund472]

The Orenburg Cossack army has been sending two young Cossacks to serve in the Cossack regiment for two years. But this direction must be earned.

[Sanamana]

Quote: sigizmund472

The Orenburg Cossack army has been sending two young Cossacks to serve in the Cossack regiment for two years. But this direction must be earned.

Excuse me, but who did not deserve where they go? In the "usual" infantry, airborne forces, in the navy, etc.? Is it worse ???

[soldier's grandson]

it’s good that they go to the army, and then whose will they carry out? to drive dissatisfied pensioners and workers,? to defend power?

[RUSS]

Quote: soldier's grandson

it’s good that they go to the army, and then whose will they carry out? to drive dissatisfied pensioners and workers,? to defend power?

Remember the dispersal of workers in 1905?
And what is bad in protecting the legitimate authority of the state?

[soldier's grandson]

the state must be protected from an external enemy, and the people are the state

[Chicot 1]

Quote: Soldier's grandson

and the people are the state

In Russia, these two concepts should not be confused. Our state quite often (and lately it has always been permanent) lives its own special, only a led life to it, completely abstracting from its people. It recalls it rarely and solely on special occasions - when it is necessary to raise the next tax (or introduce a new one) and before the elections ...
Nevertheless, the people are always obliged to the state. But on the contrary, for some reason, never ...

[A. Yaga]

Quote: Chicot 1

Quote: Soldier's grandson

and the people are the state

In Russia, these two concepts should not be confused. Our state quite often (and lately it has always been permanent) lives its own special, only a led life to it, completely abstracting from its people. It recalls it rarely and solely on special occasions - when it is necessary to raise the next tax (or introduce a new one) and before the elections ...
Nevertheless, the people are always obliged to the state. But on the contrary, for some reason, never ...

People, what are you minus? The stump is right! And the fact that you are ready to defend is called a COUNTRY, not a state.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Soldier's grandson

and the people are the state

Quote: Chicot 1

In Russia, these two concepts should not be mixed

These two concepts are better not to mix anywhere.

[military]

Quote: RUSS

And what is bad in protecting the legitimate authority of the state?

today we have liberals "in law" ... they themselves are not going to leave ... at least in an amicable way ... the guarantor does not rush them ... even covers sometimes ... the people are boiling ... you suggest case, walk the Cossack whip on the backs of the workers? ... in the name of protecting the "legitimate authority" ...
but I don't need such "defenders" for *** ...

[complete zero]

responsible for the action of "clues on the back" - should be the people giving such orders, and not the Soldiers or Cossacks, The Soldier contemplating the order is a pacifist (which is not bad, but has nothing to do with the security forces)

[RUSS]

You have terry stereotypes like Hollywood directors do.

[military]

Quote: RUSS

You have terry stereotypes like Hollywood directors do.

"Wait and see!" - said the blind man, walking into the abyss ...

[morpogr]

They go to serve Russia, and this can only be welcomed, and to serve not in the Moscow district, but in the eastern district, like their ancestors, to guard the borders of their homeland.

[Chicot 1]

Good news. It's high time. Moreover, throughout Russia. And in the North Caucasus, and without fail ...

Only here is the checker in the Dragoon illustration. Cossack, unlike her, as well as from the infantry checkers of the guard never had. This way she was closer to her original prototype - Caucasian or Circassian drafts ...

[Nayhas]

Ataman of the coastal Cossacks Li Tsai is pleased to transfer the Cossack units on a contract basis ...

[alone]

Quote: Nayhas

Ataman of the coastal Cossacks Li Tsai is pleased to transfer the Cossack units on a contract basis ...

Li Tsai? Chinese?

[Setrac]

Quote: lonely

Li Tsai? Chinese?

This is subtle oriental humor by Po Tsai.

[densh]

Like Wang Yu SHIN or Li Xi CHIN.

[alone]

it’s good that humor. I then imagined the Chinese ataman of the Cossacks

[densh]

Well, if you look the historical truth in the eye, any Cossack could be chosen as the chieftain, regardless of nationality or skin color.

[Nayhas]

Quote: lonely

it’s good that humor. I then imagined the Chinese ataman of the Cossacks

But the joke, of course ...

[Goblin 28]

Quote: military

Quote: RUSS

And what is bad in protecting the legitimate authority of the state?

today we have liberals "in law" ... they themselves are not going to leave ... at least in an amicable way ... the guarantor does not rush them ... even covers sometimes ... the people are boiling ... you suggest case, walk the Cossack whip on the backs of the workers? ... in the name of protecting the "legitimate authority" ...
but I don't need such "defenders" for *** ...

C Kuban.
You live with stereotypes of the Zionist-Bolshevik propaganda of the 20s! When the Cossacks were exposed as terry enemies of the working proletariat and peasantry. In our village, almost every school has a Cossack class, where boys and girls happily walk in Cossack uniforms. In the classroom, in addition to the basic subjects, they instill love for their Fatherland, talk about the traditions and exploits of their ancestors, engage in military training with them! There are several Cossack cadet corps in the region, where it is quite difficult to enter - competition! What's bad about it? Or house -2 and other Pugachev-Kirkorov-Novodvorsk scum is better? Cossack patrols walk the streets - they don't smell like horsemen! And if they are, then they are quieter than water and below the grass! What's bad about it? There is a radio "Kazak FM" on the air, everyone listens to it with pleasure. The programs about traditions, life and Cossack family values ​​are especially interesting. Or would it be better to hear about homosexuals with lesbians?
It is not clear the negative attitude towards the Cossacks in principle, My grandfathers were Kuban Cossacks. Maternal grandfather served in the convoy hundred E.I.V. He fought in the German, Patriotic. The second grandfather is a participant in the famous horse attack of the Kuban Cossack Corps near Kushchevskaya.
The house contains a checker and dagger, taken from the Circassian with the battle back in the Caucasus. But the great-grandmother was a Chechen at all - her great-grandfather somehow rested in the Caucasus. So, should I be ashamed of this? On the contrary, all this is a weapon, old photos, stories of relatives, fertile ground for the patriotic education of our children. My "sons," if necessary, will not hesitate to defend the Fatherland, as their ancestors put it! And, if it happens, we’ll disperse the operetta, or rather they will run away when the trouble comes! Check, the glorious Cossack traditions are still alive, if only the Zionist power does not interfere!

[complete zero]

Goblin 28-I will only support your Grandfathers. Pride of Russia

[coserg 2012]

Here are the real Cossacks (warriors). Put next to the photo modern, and even in the photo you will see heaven and earth.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: coserg 2012

Here are the real Cossacks (warriors) .Post next photo of modern, and even in the photo you will see heaven and earth

Put. I don’t see the difference ...

Igor Andreevich Grigoroshenko. Cossack. He died in Grozny in January 1995. Buried in the city of Cool ...

[coserg 2012]

Dear Vasily, you either didn’t understand or do not want to understand me. I have not one of these photos. You are shy away from the city with whips and riding breeches - put these photos.

[Armata]

Quote: coserg 2012

Dear Vasily, you either did not understand me or do not want to understand me. There are not one of these photos of me. You are shy away from the city with whips and riding breeches - put these photos

Yes, now they do not distinguish. in the Urals we have our own Cossack corps. Previously, the hero on the hero, but now it’s a shame, show off on show off. All tear, one will remain their slogan. In short, clowns in trinkets and nothing more. Why legitimize the movement of clowns? Explain to the unreasonable.

[Chicot 1]

No, why? .. I understand you perfectly - you row under one comb. You asked for a photo of a modern Cossack, I put it ...
And those that are mummers, so I'm sorry, but I don’t think they are Cossacks ...
But the whip is a good thing. But you need to be able to use it, and not just drag it in the bootleg. Such things, dear coserg 2012...

[series]

he has the emblem - a tanker, not a CAVALERIST!
read the meaning of the word KAZAK in the explanatory dictionary ...
if my ancestor was SAGITTARIUS, then I do not call myself in the same way or ACCOUNTANT, ASTRONOM. LAKEEM ...
OUTSIDE idiocy brought to Nonsense!

[Chicot 1]

Quote: S-200

read the meaning of the word KAZAK in the explanatory dictionary

You want to tell me something new about Cossacks and Cossacks ... Well, try ...
I really don’t know who your ancestors were there (yes, it’s not interesting to me), but mine were Terek Cossacks. And I remember that. And Igor Grigorashenko remembered. And he knew what he was fighting for, and why he went to this war ...
Maybe for you this is idiocy brought to the point of absurdity, but for me personally it’s not empty words or empty concepts ...
And the fact that his emblems are tank, so he was a tanker ...

[Stanislas]

Quote: coserg 2012

Here are the real Cossacks (warriors). Put next to the photo modern, and even in the photo you will see heaven and earth.

At the beginning of the Civil War, the grandfather served with the chieftain N. Makhno, when they were beaten, he knocked himself down for 4 years (instead of writing down it in 1898 in the 1902 metric) so that they would not ask where he started the war and not be shot, and then fought for the Reds. And in the photo in 1929, the tragic moment of the final talk: the Cossacks abandon their freemen, the circle and become the collective farm peasantry (in the chair on the right, my grandfather Alexei Kuzmich).

[Stanislas]

Quote: Goblin 28

Cossack patrols walk in the streets - horsemen and it doesn't smell! And if they are, then quieter than water and below the grass! What's bad about it?

Well, it’s you who live in some ethnographic reserve. Not in Shelkovskaya, Naurskaya for sure.

[complete zero]

I respect the Cossacks with respect, only (what I see in the City) reminds me of some kind of carnival, adult men with Crosses on their chest go to the maximum - they organize private security events in general does not look serious .... God forbid that the Cossacks would be reborn in the true its greatness.

[densh]

Before talking about the revival of the Cossacks from a military point of view, you need to understand why they are needed. I’m not going to touch on the moral and patriotic side, but from the practical point of view, what is a Cossack in modern realities and what functions will it perform in modern armies. The former-defense of state borders and light cavalry during the Great Patriotic War-mobile infantry. And now how they will differ, say from ordinary border guards and motorized rifles. Or all will be limited to the solemn naming, the introduction of patches and emblems and that's all ?

[aviamed90]

densh


I am a Cossack myself. He served 23 year in the army as an officer.

My point is very simple.
Remembering what happened in the old days and in the tsarist army is, of course, useful. Knowledge of history is a plus and hasn't hurt anyone yet. But to arrange a circus or a costume ball on this occasion is not worth it.

Times have changed. And the army has changed and the country.
Well, in our Armed Forces we don’t have such a kind (kind) as cavalry, and there are no plastuns. What can you do?

But the Cossacks have not gone anywhere.
I’m not talking about those badges with the iconostasis to the navel on the chests and unknown military ranks. These are pea jesters. Which cover their own worthlessness with a screen from a military uniform. Most of them have nothing to do with the Cossacks. I despise them.

I say about real modern Cossacks. And not only about those who remained to live in the villages. And about those who are scattered throughout the territory of the former USSR.
Who honestly serves in the army and works for a civilian.

By the way, long ago, back in the 90s, I read an article in Krasnaya Zvezda about the Cossacks. So there was the following figure: 50-60% of the officers of the Soviet Army were Cossacks from various regions of the USSR (from the Don and Kuban to Primorye).

And my attitude to the Cossack troops is this: if you are a Cossack and want to serve the Fatherland, go to the army and serve.
Who interferes?

And what is discussed in the article, of course, is positive. Only the question arises: why do they serve near the house? Is this fashion today in the army?
It is nonsense!

And also by the number of Cossacks in our country.
According to the census of the Russian Federation 2002 year the number of Cossacks or those citizens who rank themselves among them (men, women and children) in relation to the entire population (in percentage terms, people) is (data from Vekipedia with reference to the 2002 All-Russian Population Census, volume 4 "Ethnic composition and language proficiency, citizenship"):

Central FD - 1,83% (2568 people)
North-West Federal District - 0,66% (920 people)
Southern Federal District - 95,53 (133775 people), including:
- Rostov Region - 62,48% (87492 people)
- Stavropol Territory - 2,79% (3902 people)
- Volgograd region - 14,75% (20648 people)
- Krasnodar Territory - 12,53% (17542)

Volga Federal District - 0,65% (904 people)
Ural Federal District - 0,56% (787 people)
Siberian Federal District - 0,48% (671 people)
Far Eastern Federal District - 0,29% (403 people)

Personally, I think that First I am a Russian person, and then already the Kuban Cossack. Therefore, I did not fall into these numbers. And many Cossacks think so. Cossack is not a nationality, dear.

Because of this, the question asked on the forum - "Why did the Cossacks make a mess in the village of Kushchevskaya" does not make sense and disappears by itself.
It is clear - why ??? Because the villages were depopulated. That's why! And the Cossacks in them can be counted on the fingers!

And over the years of the Civil War (white movement) and the Great Patriotic War (service in the Wehrmacht) I am not ashamed. Cossacks are people like everyone else. Of flesh and blood. And there are different people among them. And the circumstances in life can be different in different ways. But everyone will have to answer for their actions personally. And before God and before people. God be their judge.

What he wanted, he said.
Therefore, I bow.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: aviamed90

Cossack is not a nationality, dear

Cossacks are a people, respected ... And until they understand and realize this, they will hope for lousy promises and empty assurances ...
And for reference: according to the latest census, about 7 million consider themselves Cossacks ...

[Canep]

The starting point for this study was the words "dyde Kuban history" F.A. Shcherbiny, characterizing the Black Sea Cossack army, as "collected from different places, fragmented and partly diverse ..." (1). He wrote that the Black Sea Cossacks included Little Russians, Poles, Moldavians, Great Russians, Lithuanians, Tatars, Greeks, Germans, Jews, Turks and others. V.A. also noted the multinational composition of the Black Sea army. Golobutsky, pointing to the cases when Bulgarians, Serbs, and Albanians also entered the Cossacks (2).

link to the article http://www.yuga.ru/articles/society/4354.html
Cossacks are not a people or a nationality from Wikipedia:

Cossacks (Cossacks, other Russian, unit part Kozak [2]; Ukrainian. Kozaki, in the annals also: Cherkasy) are ethnosocial [3] groups that at different times possessed independent military, political and estate privileges and allocated in the power of cultural specificity.

Ethnic and social group is not a nationality. So the railway workers or miners can be called nationality, but in fact it is a group of people with their own traditions (ethnos) governing bodies, etc. For miners, sons often become miners, just like for railway workers, both of them and the third (Cossacks) wear uniforms, have their own social structures, internal laws, etc. Only the Cossacks in Zaporozhye and the Cossacks in Transbaikalia are completely different groups, the railway workers do not have such differences, the governing documents (laws) are the same throughout the territory from Lviv to Nakhodka, and from Vorkuta to Dushanbe. Now the truth is there are minor differences in different states.

[Canep]

Now imagine that after 300 years there will be no railways (for some reason, everyone will fly on planes for example), and people will appear dressed in the form of railway workers with hammers and begin to assure that it is necessary to revive the railway traditions, they will knock on the wheels of vehicles ( aircraft SVP cars or something else) with their hammers and assure that without this you can not go on the road. That without traffic lights no how, and that they will restore order in the transport which was with their grandfathers. Theater of the absurd. Around the same, modern Cossacks behave.

[Setrac]

Quote: Canep

Theater of the absurd.

The theater of the absurd to assume that the essence of the Cossacks is in horses and in cavalry. Cossacks are not cavalrymen, they are closer to dragoons, in fact, like any motorized infantry. In addition, the Cossacks had their own artillery.

Quote: Canep

Around the same, modern Cossacks behave.

Modern Cossacks behave differently, some sing songs and hang out in the squares, and some defend their homeland in the army.

[A. Yaga]

Quote: aviamed90

What he wanted, he said.

Neither add nor object.

[Stanislas]

Quote: aviamed90

the question asked on the forum - "Why did the Cossacks make a mess in the village of Kushchevskaya" does not make sense and disappears by itself. I see why ??? Because the villages were depopulated. That's why! And you can count the Cossacks on your fingers!

And what are they doing there? Are they buried from the hoes? Cossacks ...

[Stanislas]

Quote: aviamed90

Why did the Cossacks commit a mess in the village of Kushchevskaya

Source: http://forum.dobroe.ru/topic/109013-kriminalnaja-stanica-kubani/
How did it happen that the 35-thousand-strong village crawled before the Tsapokskys for almost two decades? I ask the chieftain of the Kushchevsky district Cossack society of the military sergeant major Vitaly Drizhik about this. He is silent for a long time. He sighs heavily.
- We had a split. Some of the farmers left for the ataman Gromov. A part remained with General Nogai. So now we have only 600 Cossacks. The "Tsapokskys" do not cling to us. We, of course, knew that they behaved indecently. People were bullied. There would be more of us, I am sure, they could put things in order, - says Vitaly Ivanovich.

[series]

Interesting as well why in France do not form today MUSHKETER companies?
Possible answer:
1. Idiots are kept in specialized clinics (enough for all beds)
2. And why the hell do they need it?
3 Loafers are paid good unemployment benefits and do not need to pack in packs to earn food.
4. The functions of the MUSKETERS are performed by the armed forces and the gendarmerie of France
5. There are no more patriots left in the fucking Geyrop, but only NATO !!!
6. your answer option ...

[moskal68]

And in Moscow, the archers must be revived. Nenuasho?

[series]

Quote: 68

And in Moscow, the archers must be revived. Nenuasho?

no, why?
... it will be historically picturesque, and if you later arrange it -
"Morning of the Streltsy Execution"
it is instructive ...

[densh]

Already started to enter. After the former Museum of the Revolution, I personally saw two in caftans, with beeps. Laser sights and grenades were not seen.

[kartalovkolya]

I happened to serve in the ZabVO and I must tell those who are trying to pour slop over the Trans-Baikal Cossacks, unlike the "mummers" these are real COSSACKS and you freaks will have very "sour" if you go there! It is gratifying that the Cossack grandchildren and children will serve together in normal units! There were no more prepared and devoted defenders of Russia in the East than the Cossacks of Transbaikalia!

[moskal68]

Yeah, but where are they? I have not seen such. And he saw only boys of 15 years old, hung with crosses. And when did you manage to get it?)))

[densh]

In the morning, under the painting. Here are such clowns and are able to descridentize any undertaking, even the most sensible.

[densh]

Everyone has the right to their own opinion. But explain where the individuals are now, hung with crosses as if they had earned them since the time of Catherine. And if they hung on themselves all the ancestral awards that remained in the family, then tell me what they can be called.

[Ivanovich47]

Surprising is the inert attitude towards the creation of Cossack units by the Ministry of Defense. Cossacks are the most disciplined part of our youth with primary military training. Everyone knows the exploits of the Cossack cavalry during the years of World War II. The Cossacks have an initiative. She needs to be supported.

[densh]

Maybe then he tries to fill the command posts of all levels with the Cossacks. Let the normal traditions apply to the whole army.

[Stanislas]

Quote: densh

Maybe then he tries to fill the command posts of all levels with the Cossacks. Let the normal traditions apply to the whole army.

It is impossible. Among those who do not have a family relationship with the Cossacks there are many worthy people who could occupy these posts. And among those who are proud of their great-grandfathers-Cossacks, there are many who would be ready to be proud of their kinship with Marilyn Monroe, but do not have it, therefore they are proud of the Cossacks, at least some exotic. It is necessary to select by professionally important qualities, and not by kinship. Towards the end, I realized that it was a banter and I had to go to sleep.

[series]

Quote: Ivanovich47

Surprising is the inert attitude towards the creation of Cossack units by the Ministry of Defense. Cossacks are the most disciplined part of our youth with primary military training. Everyone knows the exploits of the Cossack cavalry during the years of World War II. The Cossacks have an initiative. She needs to be supported.

Take the state maintenance of several million parasites?
- several types of allowances and medical support
- pay a pension increase?
- what and on what (re) to teach?
- How many of them will really be suitable for military service in the modern army?
The attempts of the "Cossacks" to take on the functions of the police, internal troops and the armed forces in a strong state are not justified by anything other than the ambitions of those interested in this ...
Why is Russia a multi-million dollar semi-anarchist poorly armed and BAD trained an army that will also "put pressure" on the authorities and society?
PS Riding a mare with spurs (a tank, armored personnel carrier + shooting and combat training) is not a full cycle of combat training of a special military formation!

[series]

P.P.SGentlemen "Cossacks" if you want to serve the Motherland - join the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the police, the internal troops and the Navy!
Unless, of course, suitable for health and mental abilities ...
if not, then - continue to engage in amateur art!
and periodically flirting with you politicians is nothing more than pre-election PR ..

[Stanislas]

Quote: S-200

if you want to serve the Motherland - join the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the police, internal troops and the Navy!

Not!!! From today I declare myself a Scythian plowman! As soon as we have about 30 Scythian plowmen, we will create a Scythian platoon, then a company, a regiment ...

[Setrac]

Quote: S-200

Take the state maintenance of several million parasites?

In fact, the state provides the Cossacks only during the hostilities, and only those who participate.

Quote: S-200

The attempts of the "Cossacks" to take on the functions of the police, internal troops and the armed forces in a strong state are not justified by anything other than the ambitions of those interested in this ...

The Cossacks have completely different tasks.

Quote: S-200

Why is Russia a multi-million dollar semi-anarchist poorly armed

This is generally pearl.

[series]

Quote: Setrac

Take the state maintenance of several million parasites?
In fact, the state provides the Cossacks only during the hostilities, and only those who participate.

??????????????????????
1. At whose expense and on what material and technical base do they study in peacetime. What should be the annual training course for a number of higher education institutions ??? Instructors, cooks, medical worker, etc. to ensure the learning process -VOLUNTEERS ???
2. Do they need to pay the average salary for the period of this training (training)?
3. whether it is necessary to provide them with all types of allowance for medical insurance for the period of training and so on. ??
4. THIS IS ALL - FOR FREE ???
you served in the army and who?
5 Are you an amateur in military affairs or a young patriot (the same thing)))?
The Cossacks have completely different tasks.
SO, call THESE tasks?
By the way, are you familiar with the functions of state structures or ... A young patriot is NOT obliged to know this ??
Why is Russia a multi-million dollar semi-anarchist poorly armed
This is generally pearl.
The rearmament of the Russian army will end, God forbid (GDP))) at 2 ??? year ...
You can train to shoot, to shoot down planes is more difficult ...
Your "centurions" and "esauls" ... what military institutions did they graduate from (in what years) so that, when the hour strikes, lead the citizens of the Russian Federation to death?

[series]

I will continue..
Why is Russia a multi-million dollar semi-anarchist poorly armed
This is generally pearl.
atamans are chosen on the "gangway" or they are appointed by the higher command, on the basis of the received MILITARY! education, service experience and certification ??? ..
NOT ? - then this is DERMOCRATIC-ANARCHY ...
amateur patriots and idiots are equally burdensome for society ...

[series]

If Putin had a different opinion (very different from MY ), then ... the "Cossacks" would be happy with EVERYTHING! ...
Learn, young man, military affairs - REALLY!
Nonche war very intellectual go ...
with stripes and patriotism; soup is not enough to overcome ...
Mosk exercise nada in the exact sciences - cheating!

[Setrac]

Quote: S-200

atamans are chosen on the "gangway" or they are appointed by the higher command, on the basis of the received MILITARY! education, service experience and certification ??? ..
NOT ? - then this is DERMOCRATIC-ANARCHY ...

I’ll draw your attention to the fact that the Cossacks are not the army, they are civilians who live in dangerous territories and protect these lands with weapons in their hands, for this the state does not take taxes from them and allows them to own and use weapons.
The succession of generations allows you to achieve a very high level of individual training, but the lack of heavy weapons reduces the chances of confronting a regular army.
I want to clarify - the above is written about the Cossacks, which was earlier. Until its destruction.

[Setrac]

Quote: S-200

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What you described is just another military unit, which for some reason you decided to call Cossack.

Quote: S-200

The Cossacks have completely different tasks.

Cossacks feel better than the army or police in conflicts, which are now commonly called low-intensity conflicts.

[series]

Quote: Setrac

Cossacks feel better than the army or police in conflicts, which are now commonly called low-intensity conflicts.

how many Cossack families are left in Chechnya?
Do they feel better than special forces there?
when did you serve in the army and by whom?

[moskal68]

encountered in Moscow with the Cossacks. The attitude is sharply negative. After Kushchevskaya I do not consider them to be warriors. Although I have a Don wife. Cossacks degenerated into dancers on the stage, such as Babkina. Ivanovich 47 - it's silly to associate those heroes and current clowns.

[Goblin 28]

Quote: 68

encountered in Moscow with the Cossacks. The attitude is sharply negative. After Kushchevskaya I do not consider them to be warriors. Although I have a Don wife. Cossacks degenerated into dancers on the stage, such as Babkina. Ivanovich 47 - it's silly to associate those heroes and current clowns.

From the Kuban. And who is a warrior for you? Well, do you even know how to hold a weapon in your hands? You can treat the Cossacks as you like, but don't dare talk about their degeneration. They are not geeks or clowns. What are these guys who study in cadet corps and want to serve the Motherland, geeks? Or are those who go on patrols in the frost geeks? And those who saved my daughter and her friend from the clutches of the black creatures are also geeks? They did it for subsidies and budget privileges - with whips against bats and knives - two against six? Who are you then? Yes, and do you even know the meaning of the word "b"? I’m sure not!

[moskal68]

why are you so excited? I expressed my opinion. And you still did not convince me. Maybe where there are real Cossacks, but only I have not seen such. And yes, I can hold arms in my hands. I can even shoot, if that. So exhale, citizen, exhale. And about the heroic moments in life, so I can tell a lot about such cops. So what? Will you immediately begin to respect the police? Fumbling something.

[moskal68]

why are you so excited? I expressed my opinion. And you still did not convince me. Maybe where there are real Cossacks, but only I have not seen such. And yes, I can hold arms in my hands. I can even shoot, if that. So exhale, citizen, exhale. And about the heroic moments in life, so I can tell a lot about such cops. So what? Will you immediately begin to respect the police? Fumbling something.

[Setrac]

Quote: 68

Maybe where there are real Cossacks, but only I have not seen such.

You are not looking there, in Moscow you will not see them.

[coserg 2012]

Quote: Ivanovich47

Surprising is the inert attitude towards the creation of Cossack units by the Ministry of Defense. Cossacks are the most disciplined part of our youth with primary military training. Everyone knows the exploits of the Cossack cavalry during the years of World War II. The Cossacks have an initiative. She needs to be supported.

Personally, I believe that Cossack formations on the ground should completely supplant the police. Let one city dodge around the city and stop it. Great-grandfathers in the villages and towns kept Cossack orders and how they kept! And in the current situation it’s not a Cossack but a burdened policeman, and much castrated in his rights .

[series]

Quote: coserg 2012

Great-grandfathers in the villages and towns kept Cossack orders and how they kept!

well, if you like it, then you can live at a splinter and go to a wooden needy, wiping yourself with a bunch of straw ...
Only the rest of society wants to live differently, and not according to your great-grandfather medieval customs (or the law of the mountains)!

[Setrac]

Quote: S-200

well, if you like it, then you can live at a splinter and go to a wooden needy, wiping yourself with a bunch of straw ...
Only the rest of society wants to live differently, and not according to your great-grandfather medieval customs (or the law of the mountains)!

And what does the Cossack order? If you did not think of making a toilet in the house and holding the light? Cossacks to blame?

[saag]

Will they ride checkers on armor? :-)

[coserg 2012]

Just like once, one brave sailor from a raid, rusty tugboat shouted to us, three hundred sailing along the pier, hey red! He himself didn’t even see the sea, and after nine months of the Atlantic, red carp went on ships and thought: What did we offend this frock ? We won’t ride with a saber on an armor, so as not to make you laugh.

[Setrac]

Quote: saag

Will they ride checkers on armor? :-)

With checkers in the parade will be marching. There are other weapons for battle.

[Stinger]

The cries will begin now:
- Once again, they sold their homeland to the fleeing Bolshevik Cossacks.
- You can expect everything from the Reds.

[mountain]

Probably everything can be vulgarized and slandered, both by Cossacks and officers, and drunkenness does not stop here and there today. But this is about something else about people reviving the traditions of their great-grandfathers and their ancestors, to live in military affairs without breaking away from families and the way and way of life in modern conditions. I applaud the enthusiasm of such people. It is in such an environment that a true patriot, or even a settlement, can be born.

[Narrator.tales]

Cossacks is an archaism that has died out at the behest of time and needs. Now there is the Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which is again introduced by the Cossacks (whether it is unimportant ostentatious or not) a sign that the state is not coping, or rather its organs. Let's give the squad back and tithe to the churches to pay or the king, and what, there were traditions. Correctly someone wrote about using the toilet on the street. If the Cossacks are returned as before, in Siberia on the border with the PRC there are settlements for border protection or there in Chukotka. in the center of Russia it will only cause confusion and anarchy, it’s not like stupid people, but write it, or still ....

[Setrac]

Quote: Narrator.tales

Cossacks is an archaism that has died out at the behest of time and needs. Now there is the Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which is introduced again by the Cossacks

The Cossacks are not the army and the police, the Cossacks have other tasks, including assistance to the army and the police.

[densh]

No, it’s just that the army and police have assumed the functions of Cossacks. The website accuses (deservedly) Cossacks of dispersing demonstrations in Russia in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Now there is riot police and V.V.

[soldier's grandson]

in general, here the topic is about the fact that the Cossacks go to serve in the army, God grant them good health, and so that they do not raise their hands against the people, otherwise they themselves will not seem

[A. Yaga]

Quote: 68

And in Moscow, the archers must be revived. Nenuasho?

Yes class!

[Goblin 28]

Quote: S-200

Quote: coserg 2012

Great-grandfathers in the villages and towns kept Cossack orders and how they kept!

well, if you like it, then you can live at a splinter and go to a wooden needy, wiping yourself with a bunch of straw ...
Only the rest of society wants to live differently, and not according to your great-grandfather medieval customs (or the law of the mountains)!

And what is life according to Cossack traditions - is it just a wooden need and a bunch of straw? Maybe you have such traditions? - And we have the Fatherland, faith, family, order, respect for elders, concern for children, good neighborliness and decency.
And if the unit will be Cossack and the descendants of the Cossacks will serve in it (then (all the military people know how important this is) - succession, pride in their ancestors, heroic examples - look at your dad or grandfather, there were dashing Cossacks, fighting spirit and ... healthy Cossack chauvinism - we have to. we are obliged, we are Cossacks, who ... if not us ... here dad with grandfather in the same regiment .. in the same hundred could ... survived ... won! And you’ll serve poorly ... a shame on the surname! And why is the Cossacks only cavalry? There are many other suitable modern types of troops. Again, the Old Man with his grandfathers will teach military wisdom. My grandfather taught me on horseback ... and hack ... and lap ... and with a pull. I even tried to smell my bullet - You immediately learn yours, even when it’s in the trunk, he said. But for this you need to be a Cossack. The military estate does not imply permanent service. These are constant fees, retraining and readiness at any time to speak on orders. And about the training .. just do not say that the current conscripts and contract soldiers are something highly professional. And outside the service ... like everyone else, work for the good of the family .. Homeland, etc.!
PS In our village there is water everywhere, light, street lamps and "outhouses" not only in the yard. And also buses run with minibuses. But I like riding more. For the village to the steppe ... and the gait three crosses! And even a daughter on horseback can. So, gentlemen, haters.

[saag]

Quote: Goblin 28

And if the unit will be Cossack and the descendants of the Cossacks will serve in it (then (all the military people know how important this is) - succession, pride in their ancestors, heroic examples - look at your dad or grandfather, there were dashing Cossacks, fighting spirit and ... healthy Cossack chauvinism - we have to. we are obliged, we are Cossacks, who ... if not us ... here dad with grandfather in the same regiment .. in the same hundred could ... survived ... won!

In the civilian slaughtered all the Cossacks and the Don, and Kuban, and the Urals and Siberian and Transbaikal and defeated them all

[coserg 2012]

Yes, dear, you’ve just been strangled by a toad. You chopped it with rings and food renditions. I once boastfully said in the cockpit that his ancestors, at the head of the prod detachments in leather jackets with Mausers, were making a noise. And my grandmother, who spent a year in Krasnodar prison, my grandfather, who only managed to pass a short fur coat to the stage ... I sent him greetings from the whole Kuban to the whole of the Pskov region. Of all the guys, no one said anything and no one bored. For all the time, this grunt didn’t stutter on this subject.

[Stanislas]

Quote: coserg 2012

I moved him from the whole Kuban to greet the entire Pskov region

I would like to draw your attention to how easy the transition is from a feeling of pride in one's ancestors (believe me, I am familiar with it) to division, discrimination and enmity (nonresident Cossacks, kukuli-katsapi, khokhly-moskali). For the boatswain's similar pride in HIS ancestors, among whom you can probably find victims of the Cossacks, you convey such unkind greetings to "the entire Pskov region." And then the Pskov Airborne Division can catch up, so what? This transition will certainly be used by enemies, channeling our local patriotism into enmity and opposition of peoples. Ingush and Ossetian armies will appear, which will also be able to present claims to each other. The revival of the Cossacks, like the revival of other ethnic military classes and clans, is fraught with not only farce, but also tragedy.

[EdwardTich68]

Of course, it is commendable to pass on the traditions of ancestors to the younger generation, but all this remains at the level of the army, this is not accepted in society. Due to the huge number of drunken clowns with "grandfather's crosses" made of brass on workbenches.
What surprises me the most is the lack of ordinary Cossacks, it seems they
in the military there were only atamans, yesauls and coronets, there were no ordinary soldiers. This is historical
nonsense.

[Goblin 28]

Quote: saag

Quote: Goblin 28

And if the unit will be Cossack and the descendants of the Cossacks will serve in it (then (all the military people know how important this is) - succession, pride in their ancestors, heroic examples - look at your dad or grandfather, there were dashing Cossacks, fighting spirit and ... healthy Cossack chauvinism - we have to. we are obliged, we are Cossacks, who ... if not us ... here dad with grandfather in the same regiment .. in the same hundred could ... survived ... won!

In the civilian slaughtered all the Cossacks and the Don, and Kuban, and the Urals and Siberian and Transbaikal and defeated them all

Yes, I know you from comments that you are far from being a stupid person, but ... there were no winners in the Civil War! One, when for the homeland, and another .. brother to brother! There is a difference? A trash with crosses, we do not go. Almost everyone knows each other. And it is not necessary to draw conclusions about all of them. And the grandfather’s crosses are kept under our grandfather’s icons. The tsar himself was granted king during his service in St. Petersburg.
And yet, dear forum users! Well, such a dislike for the Cossacks and their descendants? Well, I don’t want to be an Ivan who doesn’t remember kinship, that I’m proud of my ancestors and I’m proud of them, I want them not to be ashamed of us, their descendants, that their traditions and covenants live! And you all - these are the Cossacks, these are the Cossacks! Maybe it's worth a look at yourself. They are at least trying to do something, and you? Drool about the lack of patriotism and immediately smear any sprouts of it with shit!

[saag]

Quote: Goblin 28

but ... there were no winners in the Civil War! One, when for the homeland, and another .. brother to brother!

Both of them fought for the Motherland, only the idea of ​​it was different, the universal idea won - for a world without wars and troubles, without the rich and poor, the victors later defeated homelessness, implemented GOELRO and much more, and the losers in that war tried to restore what has become obsolete. There is an end to everything. And as for the Cossacks, I have a relative of their wife who loves to breathe about them, they say they were not ordinary, but officers, and those with whom they fought bandits, I remember my cavalry grandfather and his awards, and I don’t there is a desire to argue, since it is obvious who was right in this war, and therefore he won.

[densh]

This is normal. I had a commotion among my acquaintances in the 90s - don’t ask anyone, because I’m a descendant of counts, princes, chieftains. I’m the only one, nowhere to take it, only peasants.

[saag]

Quote: Goblin 28

Well, such a dislike for the Cossacks and their descendants?

This is not dislike, it's just that the army and navy serve and do not stick out their "I", they serve as from the beginning of time and that's it, but with the Cossacks, how can you not see there are only conversations "yes we, yes the Cossacks, the basis and support, who besides us and the like, it's amazing to see and hear all this, especially considering historically that the Cossacks were not the main force in the Russian army

[densh]

At one time, General Troshev (heaven be upon him) invited all those calling themselves Cossacks to send military service exclusively to the border troops, generation after generation, in order to form a new stable tradition. In Moscow, the proposal was hushed up, although in my opinion the proposal meets exactly the old traditions and the purpose of the Cossacks.

[zulu_1]

Quote: domokl

Quote: A.YARY

Oh, kindly, so all over Rasea would be!

And so long ago it is. Only in Cossacks there were never particularly Cossacks. On the borders lived more. Peasants in the center. And beyond the Urals the Cossacks were, are and will be. Like when the ancestors took these lands, so the descendants live ... And they’re not letting anyone in.

Rather thump ...

[mihasik]

It is necessary to change the policemen for the Cossacks, maybe the order will be ....

[EdwardTich68]

Cossacks yes, they would dance drunk on the squares and non-Russian one ten men to beat, no longer
fit for nothing these homeless descendants of badits.

[RUSS]

Edik, you're wrong!
Firstly, the Cossacks are not bandits and not robbers.
And secondly, certainly not homeless.

[moskal68]

Quote: Setrac

Quote: 68

Maybe where there are real Cossacks, but only I have not seen such.

You are not looking there, in Moscow you will not see them.

What I look at - I sing about that. I live in Moscow, respectively, and write about what is happening in Moscow.

[Setrac]

Quote: 68

What I look at - I sing about that. I live in Moscow, respectively, and write about what is happening in Moscow.

Then I will advise you to pay attention to the Kremlin regiment.

[Goblin 28]

Quote: saag

Quote: Goblin 28

Well, such a dislike for the Cossacks and their descendants?

This is not dislike, it's just that the army and navy serve and do not stick out their "I", they serve as from the beginning of time and that's it, but with the Cossacks, how can you not see there are only conversations "yes we, yes the Cossacks, the basis and support, who besides us and the like, it's amazing to see and hear all this, especially considering historically that the Cossacks were not the main force in the Russian army

Anyway! Still, you do not understand, but sorry! I actually spoke about the ancestors, the motherland, patriotism and the upbringing of our children. And about not bulging out and supposedly silence of the army and navy - here you can argue, there are as many examples on this site as possible. Well, well, do not want to serve with the descendants of the Cossacks-serve with the Caucasians and others ..... Use!

[Goblin 28]

Quote: saag

Quote: Goblin 28

but ... there were no winners in the Civil War! One, when for the homeland, and another .. brother to brother!

Both of them fought for the Motherland, only the idea of ​​it was different, the universal idea won - for a world without wars and troubles, without the rich and poor, the victors later defeated homelessness, implemented GOELRO and much more, and the losers in that war tried to restore what has become obsolete. There is an end to everything. And as for the Cossacks, I have a relative of their wife who loves to breathe about them, they say they were not ordinary, but officers, and those with whom they fought bandits, I remember my cavalry grandfather and his awards, and I don’t there is a desire to argue, since it is obvious who was right in this war, and therefore he won.

And this universal idea - the whole family of my maternal grandmother with small children .. and another 9 / 10 village - under a machine gun in the steppe, just because they are Cossacks. Your grandfather, cavalryman earned orders there?

[Goblin 28]

Quote: EdwardTich68

Cossacks yes, they would dance drunk on the squares and non-Russian one ten men to beat, no longer
fit for nothing these homeless descendants of badits.

And I want to ask you more? What about your ancestors? Is there really something humanoid?

[zasxdcfvv]

according to the conversations of friends who served in the Soviet Army, guys from Transbaikalia stood out from the Russian recruits for their unity. They were called Semenovtsy. Unlike others, they always stood together.

[moskal68]

Quote: Setrac

Quote: 68

What I look at - I sing about that. I live in Moscow, respectively, and write about what is happening in Moscow.

Then I will advise you to pay attention to the Kremlin regiment.

And what about the Kremlin regiment? Boys serve mainly for window dressing. Plus, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is guarded. And so the usual curfew.

[kartalovkolya]

Do you at least understand what you are talking about? In your opinion, the Kremlin regiment is a showy formation, but they represent the face of our country and its army, but you cannot even imagine what they are doing! My close relative finished his training before getting into the Moscow PKK, became a class specialist and only after that he was chosen for service. (although he served under the USSR, but now little has changed) And the most important thing is that the soldiers of the Kremlin regiment learn not only "shagistik", but also master military specialties And service in the Kremlin regiment is very difficult, but honorable!

[RUSS]

A person who calls himself "Ukrainian humiliating curse" - mosk al, can only be a highly intellectual person.

[saag]

Quote: Goblin 28

And this universal idea - the whole family of my maternal grandmother with small children .. and another 9 / 10 village - under a machine gun in the steppe, just because they are Cossacks. Your grandfather, cavalryman earned orders there?

Trying to denigrate the memory of the deceased is to see one of the traditions of the Cossacks?

[Kazakh]

That's what is interesting if an Uzbek in a skullcap and adidas goes no one and does not look, and if a Cossack in a hat, then a mummer saw "Boys" on the courts near the entrance, youth communicates saw the Cossacks near the church "mummers" stand to protect someone, a crime was committed in Kushchevka so mummers at home cannot put things in order, but the fact that in Moscow dozens of organized crime groups are so fearless the remnants of the Cossacks defeated by your ancestors cannot drive out foreigners from their lands, it is a shame, but the fact that from St. Petersburg and Moscow soon the Russians themselves will run, this is the little things of the Jews for 1000 years of rot but no one say Cho these are not Jews already, but there are no Cossacks left We are uniting and are being reborn, not thanks to someone, but in spite of everything, and on this way we will have mistakes and harassment, and as you sat near the monitors, you just sit and wait for who is Lenin who is Stalin who tsar you only have football fans somehow unite and you yourself only whine. I perfectly understand the Ukrainians that they do not want to live with you, you will cut them off, you will start like we are the same people and there is no such language, and in general you owe us everything, and then be surprised that all those chicks are turning away from you, and those generally mummers alone will remain in your moskolyatne and not the fact that Moscow will be yours

[Kazakh]

The Cossacks used to be called “gadgets”, now we are used to mummers, we are not accustomed to listening to receive different "affectionate" nicknames from the Russians, they are the holy people, God-bearers, they can not do anything

[RUSS]

Quote: Kazakh

The Cossacks used to be called “gadgets”, now we are used to mummers, we are not accustomed to listening to receive different "affectionate" nicknames from the Russians, they are the holy people, God-bearers, they can not do anything

True statement.

[Cossack_grater]

Quote: soldier's grandson

Kadyrov officially considers himself a Don Cossack, according to him, his grandfather was still in the Don army

And in an interview with the British they were told “He killed the first Russian at the age of 16”, Hero of Russia (((((((

[Mushroom]

Quote: domokl

Quote: A.YARY

Oh, kindly, so all over Rasea would be!

And so long ago it is. Only in Cossacks there were never particularly Cossacks. On the borders lived more. Peasants in the center. And beyond the Urals the Cossacks were, are and will be. Like when the ancestors took these lands, so the descendants live ... And they’re not letting anyone in.

I don’t know what kind of “Russia” you have there, the Grand Duchy of Moscow or what?

Why is it that the areas of state (royal) peasants around Moscow are more Russia than Don?
Russia lived by what it lived, its stronghold was the Cossacks, and not these gray-assed, drunken peasants of the Ryazan and Vladimir provinces. The Cossacks (Don) made Russia free from the Turks. Don Cossacks discovered the Urals, Siberia, and the Far East. Isn't this Russia?

For me, the South of Russia, the North and Siberia are the real, not degraded Russia

[Mushroom]

Quote: Kazakh

The Cossacks used to be called “gadgets”, now we are used to mummers, we are not accustomed to listening to receive different "affectionate" nicknames from the Russians, they are the holy people, God-bearers, they can not do anything

Firstly, the Cossacks are Russians.
And secondly, well, yes, a saleswoman in a store who won’t lend you a bottle is also a bad word.
Modern “mummered” Cossacks fought in Yugoslavia, Abkhazia, and other places, while other people, calling them “mummered”, “decided the fate of Russia” in their kitchens by swallowing water