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The US is preparing to dump paper dollars in order to enter Gesell’s money. Who will receive dividends from the new Bretton Woods?

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In the first half of November, a major event occurred, which was completely ignored by the Russian media. Meanwhile, it was a turning point in the global financial system. So, speaking at the annual conference of the IMF, former US Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers said that to achieve full employment in the US economy would require the establishment of negative real interest rates.


The US economy is already on its last legs, life on the bond and equity markets is supported only by having no precedents in stories Fed measures to inject liquidity and print money. In the first half of November, a turning point in the current global financial system was publicly designated. So, former US Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, speaking at the IMF annual conference, said that to achieve full employment in the US economy would require the establishment of negative real interest rates.

Moreover, his speech was summing up the annual conference of the IMF with the characteristic name “Crisis: Today and Tomorrow” [1].

REPETITION OF THE CONFISCATION SCENARIO OF THE YEAR 1932

Note that the establishment of real negative interest rates can only be achieved by getting rid of paper money and 100% switching to electronic payments, while at the same time withdrawing paper dollars from the population. By analogy with the requisitional “Decree No. 6102” by F. Roosevelt from 5 on April 1933, according to which the dumbfounded population was asked to hand over all of their gold savings to 1 in May 1933, in exchange for paper promissory notes of the Fed. Violators were threatened with 10-year imprisonment and a $ 10.000 fine - the equivalent of $ 200.000 today [2].

ONE GATE: THE FLOOR KRUGMAN AND THE "RED BARON LARRY SAMMERS"

The presentation of Summers’s “hereditary financier” at the IMF Research Conference “caused a real stir” and was declared “a brilliant, concise and innovative presentation of the most pressing economic issue of our time”. Naturally, his fellow tribesman was praised in his NYTimes blog “pop star on economics” Paul Krugman, who said that he “thought the same way” and “hinted at this way out of the situation in various works. But Larry's wording is much brighter, more insistent, and overall better than anything I've done. Damn you, Red Baron Larry Summers! ”

This envious praise from Krugman was followed by a whole set of banalities that it makes no sense to retell, but it is worth highlighting only two key phrases - “reconstruct our entire monetary system — say, eliminate paper money and pay negative interest rates on deposits” and “Larry said at the IMF not just an interesting speech. He proposed a radical manifesto. And I am very afraid that he may be right. ”[3].

Those. Nobel laureate in economics Krugman knowingly won his prize - his voice implies the “global kick” of all foreign holders of dollars.

As for the speech of Larry Summers, then, alas, there was nothing fundamentally new in it. On a large scale, he only stated that over the past 50 years, the Federal Reserve has consistently reduced short-term interest rates to stimulate economic growth. Naturally reaching the zero lower limit, which limited the Fed to its monetary ability to "stimulate the economy."

To compensate for the zero limit limit, the Fed used the “quantitative easing” (QE) emission mechanism in order to try to achieve an “increased investment”. But we understand perfectly well that money has long ceased to be a “scarce commodity”, moreover, there is an obvious “crisis of overproduction” in the world - money, in fact, is simply “no place to invest”. As a result, all trillions of dollars from QE went to more “profitable” speculative operations to get “money from money”, and not to the real economy.

Summers voiced that the real interest rate today is below zero, because the discount rate is lower than inflation, which eats up the value of money. The result is that with a quantitative increase in the total money supply, their real value decreases. At the same time, the Fed lost power - the ability to manipulate the economy and can no longer do anything (note that the disease is so neglected that pure Keynesian recipes - in the form of tax regulation and an increase in government spending - also will not save the US economy).

As a result, Summers made a logical conclusion - that over the next two years, the interest rate should be negative: “Imagine a situation where natural and equilibrium interest rates fell well below zero.”

Thus, without increasing the tax burden, you can encourage people to spend money more actively, which will again push the economy. It remains to eliminate only one obstacle on this path - to eliminate cash and switch to electronic money, where the issue of removing demurrage is decided elementarily (as opposed to brand certificates, as was the case in 1930 in Germany, Austria, etc.).

BRIEF HISTORICAL FLASHBACK

"I am convinced that the future will learn more from Gesell than from Marx"
John Maynard Keynes


As we noted earlier, at the very beginning of the twentieth century, self-taught economist Silvio Gesell published the work Freigeld (“free gold”) or “The Natural Economic Order” (eng. “The Natural Economic Order). Despite the absence of titles from the author, his theory, following Irving Fisher, was recognized by other academics, including the British “authority of authorities” John Maynard Keynes. In the middle of the 30's, Freigeld was successfully introduced in Austria, Switzerland, Germany and - almost everywhere - in the United States of America during the Great Depression. It seemed that Gesell’s idea was guaranteed a stellar future, but very quickly both his name and his theory were thoroughly wiped out of public consciousness.

All attempts to put into practice the theory of free money in 30-s had a common fate: as soon as possible (within a few months), they showed phenomenal results in overcoming the most gloomy manifestations of economic depression - eliminated unemployment, raised the collection of taxes, revived municipal activity , caused the flourishing of local trade and - most importantly - eliminated the shortage of live money, driven by deflation into bank safes.

However, as soon as the mass desire of municipalities to introduce "miracle-money" appeared, as the Central Bank interfered in the process, and under one pretext or another, closed the project. In particular, a similar scenario was played out in Germany (Wära experiment in Schwanenkirchen) and Austria (free money in the Wörgl alpine town). Thousands of experiments in the United States to introduce free money from the ocean to the ocean were strangled by the New Treaty of 1933, signed unilaterally with the nation by a freemason of the 32 degree F.D. Roosevelt, “naturally, in favor of the Fed” (see above).

The central banks intervened because, losing the monopoly on the issue of money, they themselves then technologically could not maintain demurrage money in the volume of the entire money supply. But the situation has changed radically today, when electronic money exists, and demurrage write-off from each of the accounts can be done by software.

At the heart of the theory of Gesell is a simple postulate that money must be "an instrument of exchange and nothing more." At the same time, traditional forms of money are extremely inefficient, since “they disappear from circulation every time a need arises for them, and flood the market at times when their number is already excessive”. Such forms of money "can only serve as an instrument of fraud and usury and should not be considered usable, no matter how attractive their physical qualities may seem."

If Gesell had stopped to criticize the imperfections of monetary systems, his name would have been forgotten long ago. Moreover, a critical analysis of Gesell is not close to the monumental vivisection carried out by Karl Marx over capitalism. The genius of Gesell in the conclusions and - most importantly - practical recommendations.

In Marx, “evil” is in surplus value, and the restoration of justice implies the removal of this value from one class in favor of another. In Gesell, “evil” is in the credit nature of money, and the restoration of justice presupposes the elimination of this credit nature, which feeds usurers. The main difference: instead of violence against people, violence against the abstraction of loan interest.

Money, in its modern form, has become a “self-creating perfect product,” disinterested in serving the market for traditional goods and services. But the whole host of virtual money derivatives finally brought down the world economy. Silvio Gesell put forward a revolutionary idea for the new time: it is not enough to deprive money of the ability to make a profit at the expense of interest, they must be taxed with interest. In other words, for the use of money should be charged (demurrage): “Only money that becomes obsolete, like newspapers, rot like potatoes, rust like iron, and evaporate like ether, can become a worthy tool for the exchange of potatoes, newspapers, iron and ether. Since only such money buyers and sellers will not prefer the product itself. And then we will part with the goods for the money only because we need money as a medium of exchange, and not because we expect the benefits of owning the money itself (for more information on the practice of using money with demurrage see K. Myamlin, Free Money (Freigeld), VC Institute)

FANTASTIC ADVANTAGES OF GEZELLIAN MONEY

We will not set out in detail all the historical examples and nuances of using money with demurrage, but let us recall 12 the indisputable advantages that society should receive from their introduction:

1. A monstrous imbalance in the redistribution of world profits will be eliminated - those 60%, which today unfairly receive financial capital, can be sent to the scientific, cultural and social sphere (thereby raising the quality of life times 2,5).

2. The use of demurrage finally solves the issue with a specific peculiarity of money - the “monetary phenomenon”, concluded that the possession of money as a means of accumulating wealth involves the holder in insignificant storage costs, while storing stocks (raw materials for production, food, etc.) .) cost much more. Those. “The custodian of money” - a banker, a financier - was initially placed in more privileged conditions than any person working in the real sector.

3. In addition to restoring equal conditions for business activities, there is also a purely practical application - “free money” will significantly accelerate the turnover of local industry, which will be one of the reasons for an accelerated recovery from the crisis (proven by experience in several areas of Austria, Germany, Canada and the USA).

4. The issue of regulating the rate of one’s own currency in relation to the currencies of other countries is simplified, which provides competitive advantages (the example of China), and the issue of controlling the flow of speculative capital is being resolved. Foreign trade calculations in this case are reasonably carried out through in “neo-bankors” (for the International Clearing Fee, see below); for personal overseas travel, it is possible to convert money on the card into foreign currencies directly at the border.

5. The size of demurrage in the electronic environment is regulated by elementary - exerting, thereby, the influence on various macroeconomic parameters. Obviously, the greater the negative percentage, the more accelerated the monetary and commodity turnover (the experience of using this monetary system in Wörgel showed an acceleration of turnover up to 20 times). According to experts produced for Japan, to contain deflation, the level of -4% per annum is needed, Gesell suggested using the -1% rate per month. At the same time, society essentially loses nothing, since this percentage is actually equal, or even lower than the current inflation.

6. The value of negative percentages, accessible and understandable to everyone (as opposed to the abstract inflation for many), will allow society to consciously control the efficiency of the economy (instead of stupid listening from news issues of price fluctuations on the stock exchange, which are served to us with the intonations of the Sovinformburo as a summary from the battlefields).

7. Demurrage can be the only form of tax collection, significantly reducing the cost of accounting, will remove the multiple difficulties of fiscal practice. The practice of avoiding taxes will forever go into oblivion without "tightening the screws" and "public executions."

8. In modern conditions, such a transformation is technically simply feasible through the transfer of all calculations into electronic form and the complete abandonment of paper money (as planned in Japan for the 2014 year). The technical base has already been laid not only by numerous acquiring systems (and the program for creating a national settlement system in Russia).

9. In money with demurrage, the psychological component is extremely important for the transition from the liberal model of society to a (communitarian) society with a high social orientation. At the same time, the “type of intermediaries” - moneylenders (banks will become simple settlement centers) will be eliminated by non-violent method - without the intrusive ideological propaganda characteristic of socialist societies.

10. People who have significant incomes will no longer invest in beanbags and, after purchasing the necessary goods, including as a form of capital investment, they will begin to move from the “state of the gobse” to the charity of Savva Morozov, Pavel Tretyakov (that is, people will be more inclined charity and creation of social projects); Another way to invest can be an investment in art. A negative manifestation of hoarding will be the emergence of certain surrogates (or the use of foreign currency) - the question of neutralizing this phenomenon will require study (M. Kennedy outlined in some detail the theory in this area).

11. From modern problems of a funded pension system, we will fully move on to a distributive pension system that takes into account labor achievements and is based on the principle of intergenerational solidarity.

12. A financial system based on money with demurrage meets the standards of morality and the spirit of at least three major religious denominations - primarily Orthodoxy, Islam and Buddhism - which contributes to the consolidation of peoples in many countries and regions [4].

But all this is possible if the issue of money remains under the control of the state, and not the private central bank.

DARK SIDE QUESTION

In fact, the most important problem remains the answer to the question “in whose hands will the money issue remain?”. If the emission control is kept by the private central bank - like the Fed - then the introduction of money with a demurrage will mean only one thing - the financial oligarchy that controls this Global Central Bank, who have been borrowing for many years ahead, living at the expense of future generations, chose all limits and Now he is going to continue to do this, according to the American economic observer Martin Armstrong, “forcing the bastards to spend money and stop saving for a rainy day” [5].

From this point of view, the speech of Summers’s ideologist of the Clinton kleptocracy is not accidentally presented in the existing financial circles as “absolutely brilliant”, since it allows the existing financial parasites to retain control levers primarily by American society. The Fed will earn more money simply by maintaining a permanent emission offsetting demurrage (tentatively 4-8% of the total money supply М2).

However, for obvious reasons, unsolved in Summers kleptocrats proposal remains the most serious issue of external borrowing, due to which the United States has parasitized for the past three decades. Obviously, after the introduction of demurrage, the dollars will lose "unconditional" external attractiveness as a "reliable investment tool."

Of course, it can be assumed that the phrase of the banker Andrew Mellon - “Gentlemen prefer bonds” - will remain meaningful for foreign investors - and for “external” state bonds they will retain either positive or zero profitability. As well as for pension funds.

However, the accumulative pension system for usurers has only two meanings for existence. The first, and most important, is to collect cheap money for moneylenders [6]. The second reason for the existence of pension funds is the workplace of numerous relatives of usurers and other social parasites.

In the dry residue, after the introduction of demurrage money in the existing system, a small number of pension employees “for a small share” will provide money transfer services to bonds, and the rest will simply be thrown out onto the street.

Much more serious problem with the host of bankers and economists. In fact, this whole army of parasites serving the "economy of financial services" becomes simply superfluous. To be honest, I have absolutely no idea how they will solve this problem. Of course, settlement and maintenance will not lose its meaning, as will its meaning and lending. But it, in theory, should be interest-free, receiving a fixed share of demurrage, which the Central Bank will have to give to its branches. But the yield here is so small that banks in many ways will lose the meaning of their existence.

However, I will not spend further time on assumptions - “they will think up something”. In the end, the Department of Homeland Security of the USA knowingly bought almost 2 billion (!) Cartridges of special destructive power, 500 thousand "many-placed" plastic coffins and armored cars to suppress internal riots.

Meanwhile, while maintaining the power of the Fed (within the United States), the introduction of the International Clearing House will be a prerequisite for foreign trade calculations in “electronic dollars with demurrage”.

ROTSHILDY AGREED WITH ROOKFELLERS?

I would venture to suggest that here, most likely, a compromise was found between financial clans - the “demurrage / emission of the Fed on 'national dollars' remains for the Rockefellers" (as well as oil production and the MIC), and the International Clearing House "promised the Rothschilds" (about her creation see below)

At the same time, taking into account that China has become the leader in world oil consumption, the Rockefellers will try to control the oil production by purely forceful means. However, this is a separate question. In the meantime, the “Nefteyuan” is obviously threatening the “petrodollar”, and in view of the coming world military and financial chaos, the United States to the 2015-18. fully switch to "oil autarky." This will allow them to dismantle all of their own hydrocarbon reserves and resume the use of “shale technology” - known and used by the “oil rockers” since 1920 — until the United States intercepted oil production in the Middle East from the UK weakened in two wars.

NO PROPHETS IN YOUR REPORT

- Actually, no one claims. But for the power hurt.

Since ignoring the data of “intellectual intelligence” that “the British do not clean the guns with grated bricks” is today not even a problem of losing the financial war, but of the whole future world order. “New World Order”, if you will, the rules in which we can establish in accordance with our Civilization values ​​- and not the ideas of “rootless cosmopolitans”. Because, a crisis is not only a time of payment for past mistakes, but also a time of unique opportunities. Now this is the situation.

We have long said that the introduction of Gesell money (or money with demurrage) is the only way out of this situation [4]. As we remember, initially there were messages that the Land of the Rising Sun was the first to prepare to abandon paper currency with the transition to electronic money from 2014. Note that Japan as a whole can be viewed as a “test financial ground” for the global financial oligarchy. Suffice it to recall that it was here at the end of 1980 that, after the conclusion of the Louvre and Plazowsky agreements, the scenario of deflating large-scale financial bubbles descended, leading to practical permanent 25-year deflation and recession [7]. Exit from which allow as money with a negative interest rate or "demurrage". According to preliminary calculations, demurrage in the area -4% is quite enough to bring the Japanese economy out of a long-term recession.

After the accident at Fukushima, we assumed that it was the reason for postponing the complete abandonment of the paper yen. Therefore, it is difficult to say for sure whether electronic money with demurrage in Japan will be introduced in 2014, but it is quite indicative that their overlord in the US has started talking about them. In fact, Larry Summers in his “brilliant speech” at the IMF said that the United States and Europe are repeating the situation in which Japan found itself in the 1991 year.

It is likely that the American overlord decided to outstrip his Japanese vassal, since the introduction of national money with demurrage inevitably means the next step: they will need it -

INTERNATIONAL CLEARING CHAMBER

Why is its introduction necessary? Imagine that different countries, including the United States, are introducing national money with demurrage. The value of demurrage is different. Accordingly, it will be extremely difficult to conduct international payments in national currencies. Therefore, a special clearing center will be needed that deals with their “clearing” - or “clearing the calculations”.

We have said many times that it was precisely J. Keynes’s idea of ​​creating the International Clearing House that was at the heart of Bretton Woods, and not what the Treasury and the US Federal Reserve turned into (see, for example, Myamlin, “Global Counter-Project »The system of finance and semantics, as weapon").

Note that if its creation goes to the plan proposed by us several years ago, the international economy will become much more fair, not allowing any of the countries to profit from the release of a “reserve currency” and not create a “global government”. The advantage will be received only by the state - the initiator of creation, having begun to establish the rules (the issue of depository placement is also very interesting).

Unfortunately, our proposal was not so heard. Moreover, it seemed that when trying to explain the utmost importance of the beginning of this process, the voiced proposals were treated, at best, as eccentricity. The only thing that was perceived - this is our proposal 2010, the creation of BRICS Bank, but in a "purely traditional system of finance." In addition, now the “fifth column” is still trying to give a significant part of the share capital of the BRICS Bank to the children from the USA and Britain ... (cut out by censorship).

Meanwhile, as we can see, now the ideological vacuum is ready to fill the “tribe of Larry Summers” ... Unfortunately, after the 70-year-old Marxist dictatorship in science, Russian “economic thought” fell into another extreme, absorbing the other less edible “liberal monetarism” . Thus, in the economy, "they rule the liberals raised on Marxism-Leninism." The poisonous mixture of alien economic theories makes itself felt by what we observe in the economy and finances of Russia. Where were the two extreme poles - “dictatorships of the inveterate monetarists” and “opposition from the apologists of the Soviet paradise”. In the middle — in fact, an ideological vacuum — and the proposals for structuring space are dismissed as from “funny eccentricity.”

Is it time (censored) to turn on the head?

“IN STRATEGY, THE WINNING OF THE WHO SETTES THE RULES WHICH HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO CHANGE THEM”

I will not list the names with whom we talked about the need to initiate the development of conditions and rules for the creation of the International Clearing House, but I hope very much that even now these specialists and politicians will understand that there is no possibility to wait any longer. Russia may lose a unique chance to become a New Civilization Leader and will be forced to drag back into the wake of the “global financial policy” - living by the rules set by the cheeky Judeo-Protestant usurers.

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[1] see the 6 conference section “Crisis: Today and Tomorrow”, IMF website http://www.imf.org/external/np/res/seminars/2013/arc/index.htm
[2] see, for example, K. Myamlin, “The global financialist and currency wars. Part III - IV. Great golden robberies
[3] Paul Krugman, Liberal Consensus. “Stagnation, coal mines, bubbles and Larry Summers” // “Secular Stagnation, Coalmines, Bubbles, and Larry Summers”, NYTimes, 16.11.2013
[4] see more in detail "... A financial system that will improve our lives and become a global counter-project", VC Institute
[5] Martin Armstrong, "Negative Interest Rates & Eliminating Cash - The Summers' Solution", armstrongeconomics.com, 17.11.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX
[6] see “Deflationary economy versus usury”, VC Institute
[7] For details, see link # 10 in the article “Issues of Globalization. Part III. "Let the crisis break out stronger"
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  1. saag
    saag 9 December 2013 08: 35
    +2
    Do they want to launch Bitcoin?
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2013 09: 05
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      I apologize for the arrogance (the article encouraged this, with speculation) -imagine the following situation: the United States declares the dollar not legitimate. In general, all dollars are fiction and paper, and true money is only from those who managed to "convert" theirs in advance into special electronic accounts in authorized banks, and only these new assets will participate in world trade. What then?
      So there is no third world war, and the excess money supply is gone, and all those who are objectionable are bankrupt, robbed.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 9 December 2013 10: 04
        +8
        ... there is GOLD ... no one canceled it !!! ...
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 9 December 2013 10: 52
          18
          Well, the physical GOLD We have already lost, it is needed for something else, not for nothing that the Jews gathered it all over the world))))By the way, there isn’t so much of it, if you melt it, all the gold mined, then we get a cube with a face of 25 meters))))

          The introduction of money with demurrage (interest for use)) with the existing financial system, this is an attempt to delay KOBZDETS))))
          This is a negative rate when lending ...
          Or do you really think that bankers will voluntarily give power to the hands of HONEST economists ....

          This will work only if there are no crooks in the Fed, the system of Banks, In Power ....
          Well, now, tell me the name AT LEAST ONE ORDERED MAN from these areas))))

          It is necessary to create another monetary exchange policy and it should not be systemic (like a carbon copy) as it happens .... when privileges are given to those who are in the system-BANKERS.
          The rules should be the same FOR EVERYONE .... And when was this ?????
          When you had a colt in your hands)))) Then the bankers understood you perfectly ... In all other cases, you lost))))
          Gesell money is a utopia, there is an alternative (but more about that some other time)))
          1. user
            user 9 December 2013 19: 41
            +3
            A few questions:
            - what will be the equivalent of this virtual money
            - who will control the issue of this virtual money
            - how the control over the Central Bank of the Russian Federation will be exercised, in today's situation it is controlled by anyone (the Fed, IMF or ...), but not by the Russian government, this provision is enshrined in a separate line in the Constitution of the Russian Federation
            - by whom and on what conditions will the interaction with the International Clearing House occur.
            This is the shortest list of questions and what is not a question is complete uncertainty. Currently, no one (the name of the real owners of most of the assets of the Russian Federation is known) will not allow Russia to get out of the situation in which we are.
            So in this story, I mean Russia, there are not many options.
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 9 December 2013 22: 54
            +2
            In my opinion, the darkest thing about the idea of ​​making money "perishable" is that the rich (owners of real estate, factories, companies) will remain so, and a simple hard worker with a salary will finally lose all chances to open his own business on his own because he simply cannot " save money "for your own business, and will have to work even more, since you cannot buy the same food from your salary for the whole month, and by the end of the month you also need to buy food, and if you have" self-evaporating money ", you will initially have to earn more money. That is, to plow more with less return. And he will not be able to take a loan anywhere - since the loan will disappear as a factor due to its disadvantage for the banks (or what will replace them) In fact, this will perpetuate inequality and the division into masters and slaves. Forever and ever.
          3. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 10 December 2013 05: 15
            +1
            Quote: Asgard
            Well, the physical GOLD We have already lost, it is needed for something else, it is not in vain that the Jews gathered it all over the world)))) By the way, it is not so much, if remelted, all the gold mined, we get a cube with a face of 25 meters ))))

            Well, in recent years, collected no less than in the USSR. And how much the population does not even need to talk about. Clarke number of gold - its concentration in the earth's crust - about 5 · 10-7% = 5 · 10-9. The mass of the earth's crust is estimated at 2,8 × 1019 tons, respectively, of gold in it 1,4 · 10 * 11 tons. That is, there is more than a lot of gold on the planet. No one knows how much was mined today. Nobody knows how much he walks around and is used for ritual purposes. But even if you take the bike about the cube seriously, it’s somewhere around 30 grams for every inhabitant of the earth. Does every inhabitant of the earth have 30 grams of pure gold today? Of course not, so if you melt 30 gold coins weighing 1 gram, then the gold is enough for the whole world to settle accounts. However, not very convenient.
            Quote: Asgard
            The introduction of money with demurrage (interest for use)) with the existing financial system, this is an attempt to delay KOBZDETS))))
            This is a negative rate when lending ...
            Or do you really think that bankers will voluntarily give power to the hands of HONEST economists ....

            Explain this nonsense on a concrete example. What are the negative percentages? What are you talking about ? Am I taking money at a bank at -10 percent? That's bullshit.
            Or do you mean hyperinflation when I take today a million, and in a year I can buy for it like 900 thousand? And how does that help? Ordinary people. The whole idea of ​​the article is complete nonsense. This is called inflation and the impoverishment of the masses. This does not help the economy.
        2. Andrey57
          Andrey57 9 December 2013 11: 00
          +3
          And gold will be taken away, as Roosevelt did. winked
        3. Nick
          Nick 9 December 2013 21: 31
          -2
          Quote: Lukich
          .there is GOLD ... no one canceled it !!!

          In the existing financial system, gold is no longer a means of payment, it is just a commodity. Gold prices are set on commodity exchanges. True, this product is very liquid ...
      2. APES
        APES 9 December 2013 12: 09
        18
        I apologize for arrogance


        decided to start printing their own "grandmothers" - the security will be: cranberries, lingonberries, blueberries, chanterelles, porcini mushrooms, fish (pike perch, perch, pike, roach, trout), firewood, hand rabbits (I breed).

        who needs to contact - the quantity is limited ....
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 9 December 2013 21: 57
          +1
          Quote: APES
          decided to start printing their own "grandmothers" - the security will be: cranberries, lingonberries, blueberries, chanterelles, porcini mushrooms, fish (pike perch, perch, pike, roach, trout), firewood, hand rabbits (I breed).

          - A colic TORCHEUCHY Dwarf there? Daughter wants, touched by them-))))
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      4. VADEL
        VADEL 9 December 2013 16: 29
        +1
        In continuation: the World Wide Web came up, switched to the exchange in kind.
      5. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 December 2013 17: 27
        0
        I ask for petitions in addition to dollars in gos.bumagah and the entire dollar mass in the United States! There are a lot of countries such as China and Japan where there are not modest stocks of paper dollars! As it is possible to recognize them as not valid one day, this is just another nonsense of the grief of financiers, dancing on the griddle!
      6. Simon
        Simon 9 December 2013 23: 02
        +3
        Aha! Some cunning hacker will launch a virus that will clean all electronic attachments and everything will return to "normal", that is, to paper exchange wrappers. wassat
      7. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 10 December 2013 04: 59
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        I apologize for the arrogance (the article encouraged this, with speculation) -imagine the following situation: the United States declares the dollar not legitimate. In general, all dollars are fiction and paper, and true money is only from those who managed to "convert" theirs in advance into special electronic accounts in authorized banks, and only these new assets will participate in world trade. What then?
        So there is no third world war, and the excess money supply is gone, and all those who are objectionable are bankrupt, robbed.

        What nonsense? Do you even understand yourself? Which authorized? Who converts and at what rate? Not the money supply is gone, but the whole world is robbed. The world will not forgive this. If the dollar is recognized as illegitimate, then the people producing it are illegitimate. In such a situation, all assets of the issuer country will be transferred to lenders. If such a people does not agree to such conditions, then this will lead to the Third World War. It’s also that a passerby will ask you for a phone on the street, and then he will say that he didn’t take anything.

        Even if you do without it, then no extra money will go anywhere. Because trade imbalances will continue and only increase.
        This is not an idea, but nonsense.

        By the way, in the last 2 weeks, bitcoins simply advertise everywhere. The campaign creators of the system thought that already enough suckers turned on and it's time to chop cabbage. The last hype is raised to attract a few more suckers.
      8. APASUS
        APASUS 10 December 2013 21: 54
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        true money only belongs to those who in advance managed to "convert" their own into special electronic accounts in authorized banks, and only these new assets will participate in world trade.

        I’ll clarify a bit here. Money is likely to be exchanged for all Americans - for example, who was in the USA at that time. They won’t throw their voters there. But money outside the USA is likely to be devalued.
        In this sense, I want to say that natural wealth takes on a new meaning - saved capital. Now we can safely assume that the war will now be ordered not by countries but by corporations to save their financial situation.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 9 December 2013 09: 14
      21
      Quote: saag
      Do they want to launch Bitcoin?
    3. atarix
      atarix 9 December 2013 09: 57
      0
      it seems like that. although bitcoin is a bit from another opera, the more it does not have a% commission, and it does not become cheaper over time. but who knows what will happen next.
      1. 755962
        755962 9 December 2013 13: 36
        +3
        REPETITION OF THE CONFISCATION SCENARIO OF THE YEAR 1932


        The chart that allows us to predict the imminent collapse of the market by analogy with 1929 is very misleading

        Recently, in the traders' blogs, you can often see the chart below, which demonstrates the similarity between the current growth of the Dow Jones index (since last summer) and its growth in 1929, which ended in a collapse in October 1929.

        http://mixednews.ru/archives/45043
        1. Max otto
          Max otto 9 December 2013 16: 13
          12
          Yes, the farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans. Will money lose part of the value all the time? So the money will be something else - salt, matches, sugar or something else. Barter will come in its most unsightly form. This unrecognized theorist is Gesell, who was not recognized for that, because he wasn’t taken to fool in time, it was impossible to invent more bullshit.
          In short, I look at this "honest" taking away money, in the style of the not unknown O. Bender, and I am more and more convinced that old Lenin (Ulyanov) turns out to be not so wrong. Now then his whole Marxist-Leninist philosophy, Comrade. I.V. Stalin did not throw it into the trash when he turned the country 180 degrees from a global conflagration to the formation of a superpower, but cherished and cherished. For the hundredth time I am convinced how far, far ahead he saw everything. I feel that sooner or later I will have to return to the building of communism, thank God there is experience, mistakes are known. Perhaps it will do without a heap of firewood.
      2. Jet
        Jet 9 December 2013 16: 43
        +1
        Last week, Bitcoin fell by more than $ 200 after the People’s Bank of China (the country's Central Bank) banned financial companies from conducting operations with virtual currency, which was a result of the increase in its value by 89 times and increased interest among investors in alternative means of payment . And on Wednesday, former US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said that Bitcoin is nothing more than another “soap bubble” that has no real value. At the same time, in October, the first ATM opened in Canada, allowing Bitcoin owners to exchange electronic currency for cash and vice versa) ..
    4. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 9 December 2013 19: 49
      +2
      Such global changes cannot do without big blood ... and this is alarming ..
      1. alone
        alone 9 December 2013 20: 16
        +3
        Every week, articles are discussed on the site, the essence of which is that the US will soon be kirdyk, etc. and we ordinary people are sitting and waiting for when he finally bends down.
        in order to bend the United States it is necessary to work purposefully and intensively in this direction. no matter how much you shout halva, this will not make your mouth sweet!
    5. Siberian German
      Siberian German 9 December 2013 20: 36
      0
      and why not, despite the fact that our central bank and the government are putting money into some kind of welfare funds there, ordinary Russians can come to an agreement and make their money a lot of questions would be solved - the oligarchs are corrupt there, etc. etc.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 December 2013 21: 27
        +2
        Siberian German, let's try to really look at what the central bank is doing! Withdrawal of licenses from 30 banks, payment to citizens of money for these careless merchants! Remember 90 and privatization with the dumping of money masses overseas, along with the oligarchs and bankers! Something I do not see that the bankers were leaving for London! The country began to fight with the export of money to the offshore bypassing the treasury, for example, the same Master Bank and it does not work for a year or two. That is, they tighten the screws seriously! Why? Because it is not such a quiet harbor where your money will not be at risk and if it is not there, then you need to organize it! Cyprus and poor Cypriots remember how the EU raped them tolerantly and democratically, and even threatened with a finger that you'll wake and flutter in Greece! This is what I generally want until the system is built from and to, from a stall with cash to the central bank of Russia with non-cash money, with a clear transparent structure of mutual settlements through tax and all pension and insurance funds, banks will work in a semi-automatic mode! So this is only a transitional period before the year of happy socialism, even if it was like the Finns! hi
    6. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 10 December 2013 04: 51
      +1
      Quote: saag
      Do they want to launch Bitcoin?

      Bitcoin is another MMM. And what is described in the article is complete bullshit. Honestly until the end I could not finish reading. I reached only 8 points and already sick of this nonsense.

      A simple question, how does this nonsense differ from inflation and how is a negative percentage more understandable than inflation itself? Inflation is the process of depreciating money. It is money, not goods. The essence of this idea is to create hyperinflation in the country so that people do not store and accumulate capital? What a perverted sadism. The author is far from understanding money, and the author of this absurdity is far from understanding economy. In this case, Marx is not in competition. Article minus, because just nonsense.
  2. ramsi
    ramsi 9 December 2013 08: 43
    +2
    in the end, all schemes, one way or another, come down to the pyramids; it has always been so, and will remain until the end of time. Socialism, somehow, is possible only in a single country
    1. alexng
      alexng 10 December 2013 00: 23
      0
      Most likely the new pyramid will no longer be destined to be realized. You cannot repeat the same performance constantly. Bored and begins to cause nausea and disgust. This is just a grab for a straw drowning man, in striped underpants ...
    2. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 10 December 2013 17: 00
      0
      Well no. It all depends on the task of this particular monetary system.
  3. mak210
    mak210 9 December 2013 08: 51
    21
    I understood little because of the abundance of idiotic terms, the author, I suppose, is smart, but he can’t explain anything. I understood the main thing - they want to rob us. Now, to save up for a rainy day (and it happens in Russia with frightening regularity), you need to buy raw materials (what? And where to store?) And sell it on a rainy day. An accumulative pension system is originally a robbery, this is understandable. They give money to the left offices, half of which they cannot already find. By the time they retire, these savings, even if they (theoretically) continue, will not cost anything at all. But our grandmothers continue to swing there, which was confirmed by the Guarantor. Class!
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2013 08: 59
      +9
      They want to rob?
      By and large, they have been robbed for a long time, and continue to rob now. They only take less because there is nothing left.
    2. Altona
      Altona 9 December 2013 14: 49
      +6
      As far as I understand, money with Demerridge is "rusting" money ... Demerridge, according to maritime rules, is a payment for the demurrage of a vessel in the port ... That is, if you have not used the money for some time, then they are bye bye ... They will write them off, it is very convenient to do it in electronic form ... In general, one to one trade union food coupons for December, which can no longer be purchased in January, you will buy buns and juices with them for the evening, so that you can at least somehow purchase in December. ..
      In general, the idea looks good from the bottom ... From the top there is some kind of crap ... What is the motivation of the capitalists, if money that dries like fruits without a refrigerator disappears? How to carry out long-term projects? How to carry out insurance? It would be bad for economists to fill such authors ... No words ...
  4. Chertkov Oleg
    Chertkov Oleg 9 December 2013 08: 55
    11
    This is to be expected, the Yankees will throw everyone away, motivating, for example, that there are a lot of fake dollars. And the resurrected bin Laden will attack the depository of gold and foreign exchange funds of other countries, or put a vigorous bomb and the gold will disappear with all the documentation.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 9 December 2013 14: 31
      +5
      Not the Yankees, but those who own Yankistan, and what money does not matter - the entire infrastructure for introducing electronic money is being prepared in all countries and all Rothschilds will remain in power, so the era of total electronic control is drawing near. Moreover, Russia is said to be in the forefront, cashless payments are being introduced in full: communal apartments, public transport, retail trade, so the disappearance of cash is a matter of the next few years. And gold can be withdrawn from the population very quickly, high gold prices will quickly remove it from circulation, because it is also a commodity.
      1. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 9 December 2013 16: 52
        0
        I do not argue about the Rothschilds, but they print "green-mold" in Tanya, and the sending of all "endured" after the throw will be in the direction of the Yankees. With "requests" to settle the money issue on a quiet, and then aircraft carriers for "exercises" off the coast of someone's homeland will appear. The Yankees vest will be for both tears and bullets. Something like this.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 9 December 2013 16: 31
      +3
      Quote: Oleg Chertkov
      And the attack on the storage of gold and foreign exchange funds of other countries

      Already, remember, recently in the year 12 there was Hurricane Sandy, and so, according to Ben Bernanke, he washed away German gold in the process of flooding / destruction of storage facilities.
      wink
    3. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 9 December 2013 18: 41
      +4
      About all kinds of money.
  5. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 9 December 2013 08: 57
    0
    It was smooth on paper, but forget about the ravines.
  6. Vladimir-35136
    Vladimir-35136 9 December 2013 09: 00
    +8
    The article is quite interesting, there is something to think about. On the face of it, the FANTASTIC ADVANTAGES OF GESELLIAN MONEY will bias, or rather legitimize, the "destruction of pension savings." Banks will find a way out in short-term speculative operations, receiving cash when needed and avoiding "demurrage" by imitating trade and purchasing operations. .... In my opinion, the problem is solved even easier - by refusing to charge interest on loans provided (but this step can only be made by the state), banks will only have fixed payments for operating payments. The amount of money in the economy under such a system will be determined by the number of people and their needs, the productivity of their labor and the availability of resources necessary to ensure production.
    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 9 December 2013 10: 03
      12
      It will result in an ideal society: communism, in practice.
      I would like to live in this. But the transition process is not easy.
      Can Asgard obey and already buy more Saigu and more rounds, as well as make an oven on wood ...?
      1. 225chay
        225chay 9 December 2013 11: 39
        +6
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        Can Asgard obey and already buy more Saigu and more rounds, as well as make an oven on wood ...?

        Asgard is a good practitioner, optimist and enthusiast! so listen and learn from the experience until the rulers ruined us ...
        in addition, it is necessary to leave as much offspring as possible, as if this would not be desirable for all liberals, ped ... kam as well as Western and Middle Eastern "advisers"
        Otherwise, history will not forgive us ...
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 9 December 2013 13: 35
          +4
          Of course, I can still breed and multiply, but just like that, girls of childbearing age will not do this, they will have to pay extra. Then all sorts of troubles will begin with the establishment of paternity, alimony, the division of inheritance.
          So this topic is not for me, although I respect the process itself. :)
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      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 9 December 2013 14: 52
        +5
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        Can Asgard obey and already buy more Saigu and more rounds, as well as make an oven on wood ...?

        I also advise, but in the city it will not survive, provided that you want to stay free.
      3. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 9 December 2013 16: 55
        +2
        Not the topic, but the Boar is better. More technologically saiga and the barrel is unkillable. Weight is a little more
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    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 9 December 2013 14: 48
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir-35136
      In my opinion, the problem is solved even easier - by refusing to charge interest on loans (but only the state can take such a step)

      That is, the nationalization of the banking sector - the private trader will not work without profit. Competition cannot be peaceful. A world without Judaism! Such a wait as much as the second coming of Christ!
  7. svskor80
    svskor80 9 December 2013 09: 00
    +2
    Russia may lose a unique chance to become the New Civilization Leader and will be forced to drag itself in the tail of the "global financial policy" - living according to the rules that impudent Judeo-Protestant moneylenders set for themselves.

    Such a right can only be won in a big war. Can Russia afford it in the current state? But nothing just happens.
  8. 1st_user
    1st_user 9 December 2013 09: 01
    0
    Enough to force this bitcoin already. It's not about him at all!
    1. Jet
      Jet 9 December 2013 16: 49
      0
      we are talking about an alternative to a paper dollar, which, according to the article, will disappear soon, which means including Bitcoin, as the strongest virtual currency today.
  9. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 9 December 2013 09: 12
    13
    Good! Hmm, a large-scale "kidok" is brewing. Should we withdraw our gold reserves from there before it's too late or too late? The Germans have already been ridden with their gold.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2013 09: 43
      +4
      Maybe we don’t deduce because there is already nothing? Like Maddof?
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 9 December 2013 14: 56
        +4
        Quote: mirag2
        Should we withdraw our gold reserves before it’s too late or too late?

        Ours they are only on paper.
  10. saag
    saag 9 December 2013 09: 14
    -1
    Quote: 1st_user
    Enough to force this bitcoin already. It's not about him at all!

    Why is "Bank of America: Bitcoin can become the leading means of payment" http://hitech.vesti.ru/news/view/id/3556 pay attention to the dates
  11. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 9 December 2013 09: 23
    11
    According to the definitions of the author of the article, in order not to drown in loneliness, the states do everything for the common 3,14 place. As the general said from 17 moments of spring, that it’s scary to die alone, but not in a crowd, it’s even fun in formation! (Literally I didn’t remember, but the meaning is this). And to be realistic, this is another attempt by the financial mafia to save itself at the expense of other states and peoples, and here our "liberals" found themselves at the right time and in the right place. Well, how much can you tolerate the atrocities of these HSE fosterlings, but they just have fun when very incompetent people are appointed to important government posts (of course, at the behest of their masters from overseas) and what kind of development of Russia can we talk about when the economy is actually controlled by the financial tycoons of the United States !
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2013 09: 46
      12
      You are amazed at the actions of our "best in the world" economists, when, given the availability of money from raw materials (large), the country does not develop, does not buy technology and production (as in the 30s) - has something changed?
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 9 December 2013 15: 13
        +4
        Quote: mirag2
        You are amazed at the actions of our "best in the world" economists, when, given the availability of money from raw materials (large), the country does not develop, does not buy technology and production (as in the 30s) - has something changed?

        Power changed in 85 and the "west" gained control over the country. I don’t know if Putin is trying to fight this or he’s just not very successful, but the situation has changed - it just stabilized a little by giving a break. If we don't use it - the cover.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 9 December 2013 22: 13
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        You are amazed at the actions of our "best in the world" economists, when, given the availability of money from raw materials (large), the country does not develop, does not buy technology and production (as in the 30s) - has something changed?
        - Plus and respect, but where have you been. with your opinions, when I brought up such arguments, when I argued with the Yarosvet and with my "fellow countryman" Bek (again he took the manner of hanging up on his Kazakh flag instead of the amer's flag)? They were there and started Like "yes, yes, it's all Rothschild's fault + sinistas, but did they try to work?" Well, this is about Russia, you get the idea. Right now, at least tell these two "tovarischas" FE and ask them to get into the habit of giving them a minus if they post something like that again.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 9 December 2013 15: 04
      +2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      on the definitions of the author of the article, the states, in order not to drown alone, are doing everything for a total of 3,14 points.

      This is only on the surface, in reality the FRS, the USA and their satellites are just tools and those thousands who manipulate them do not lose anything, but on the contrary are preparing to acquire an "electronic society" which is directly subject to pressing a button.
  12. the polar
    the polar 9 December 2013 09: 36
    19
    If it is simple and affordable to say, then a global scheme of cashless payments is proposed, in which a certain% will be charged from the client for storing money on electronic accounts. The poor will first of all suffer from this. They will have to spend it immediately upon receipt of the salary account, so as not to pay interest on banking services. To procure groceries, clothes and shoes, medicines. It will no longer be possible to postpone expensive purchases. They will have to be taken only on credit.
    As always, only the rich will benefit, who, instead of cash accounts in banks, will set up "commodity accounts" on stock exchanges, where they will keep "ownership" of a batch of oil, gas, copper, iron ore, etc. And sell it as needed. So everything will end in wild inflation, the collapse of industry and what will follow.
    Author or Mudak or provocateur, or both.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2013 10: 02
      +3
      Interesting version.
      Yes, in the end you have to work for a bowl of pottage.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 9 December 2013 11: 11
      +3
      Low-income strata of the population (you won’t believe it, you won’t believe it for anything!) Do exactly what you said. Moreover, even now they "buy in stock" what they can. But they cannot buy anything significant, so for them (for us, what is there) nothing will change at all. For the worse, I mean, because employment and wages will rise almost automatically.
      The rich will win. You could say that - they are so rich that they know how to play and win. But the composition of the rich will change very much, so it’s not possible to mass-produce doublers with wallets in droves. Have to work, steal and sit, spit down, it will be very, very difficult.
      There are two problems. Firstly, savings. Not money bags that strangle the poor by their very existence, but deferred pennies, somewhere in the amount for the purchase of a middle class foreign car. Do not give people the opportunity to have them - suicide, so you can bury any idea. The second is the clearing center and the Central Bank. The central bank in this system can announce as much money as you want and give it out to anyone who wants it. True, the money will immediately begin to thaw ... In general, Control needs a multi-level and very serious. On the other hand, it is necessary to strengthen the defense - we announce money and work ...
      The second is clearing. This same MCC announces gas at a cost equal to air, and so what? Dying? But he certainly won’t do that. It will simply adjust the exchange rates. For a little bit ... So, to support that and those who like the owners of the MCC and slowly drown those who do not like. True, there are presentable options ... Since Peter put a window into Europe (they went, damn it, through the door, it prevented him), our economy has been stomping in line with the world economy - we export more so that big money will produce even more big money. And here the opportunity arises, first of all, to take care of your own country - until the goods have crossed the border, the MCC is out of business.
      The sale of commodity accounts on exchanges can be very seriously limited.
  13. BBM
    BBM 9 December 2013 09: 48
    +2
    in general for the new Bretton Woods - ala 1944, is not possible without new loshars and outright traitors. But in China, at point blank range, there are no personalities like the new Stalin who would agree to subscribe to such a x ...
  14. My address
    My address 9 December 2013 09: 50
    11
    I read the article twice. The presentation is specific, incomprehensible, academic. The author does not know how to express thoughts briefly and clearly. But the article is interesting.

    I realized that it is proposed to "tie" the amount of money to the amount of goods produced. And we and the Chinese will be "thrown" under the sauce that we have not created anything and therefore our gold and currency is not worth a broken penny. angry

    So I was taught this in Soviet higher education - money is the equivalent of labor. And what is printed on top is for appropriation of what you want and when you want.

    But it is interesting, in the case of the announcement of our reserves, which are stored by them, the waste paper, the responsible will have time to flee to London or what? am
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 9 December 2013 10: 03
      +1
      Well, yes, goods = money, and raw materials = total, right?
    2. Nikitin
      Nikitin 9 December 2013 10: 06
      +3
      Quote: My address
      I realized that it is proposed to "tie" the amount of money to the amount of goods produced:

      On the one hand it’s good. But, there is a downside to this coin. A complete and widespread rejection of paper money leads to a direct dependence of the population on who controls the electronic payment system. On a planetary scale, it is the control and management of humanity.
      1. My address
        My address 9 December 2013 10: 40
        +5
        Well, yes.
        And most importantly, arrogant Saxons will reset their debts:
        - To whom I owe, I forgive everyone! But money for your raw materials I ask again to us!

        But I hope that there are no new curls and grefs with Putin and Medvedev.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 9 December 2013 11: 50
      +9
      With gold - well, a very possible option. Because besides ours and the Chinese, the remaining gold reserves are in a state of contempt. In fact, each gold bar of them belongs to several people at the same time! Moreover, all this rests on the unstable situation that they do not know about each other. So the global financial system is actually a fiction. The mass display of rights to gold will instantly bring down everything. But this can happen anytime. Well, for example, in five minutes ...
      To declare gold simply a raw material for the electronics industry would be just a salvation for very serious people. But if you work for the future, gold will be useful to those who have it. Very, very useful ...
    4. Turkestan
      Turkestan 9 December 2013 21: 52
      0
      Beat the Nuclear Club
      With Russia, and I think with China, such jokes will not work.
  15. CTEPX
    CTEPX 9 December 2013 09: 58
    +8
    In the case of the introduction of electronic money, the role of the Fed will be played by the body that controls the electronic information space)). In any situation, all we need is a patriotic pro-Russian government and the strengthening of the friends of Russia - the Army and Navy. And there we’ll deal with debts)).
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 9 December 2013 22: 22
      0
      Quote: ctepx
      In the case of the introduction of electronic money, the role of the Fed will be played by the body that controls the electronic information space)). In any situation, all we need is a patriotic pro-Russian government and the strengthening of the friends of Russia - the Army and Navy. And there we’ll deal with debts)).

      - Is it possible that zuckerbeg and brin type dredgers?
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 10 December 2013 06: 06
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        - Is it possible that zuckerbeg and brin type dredgers?

        No, zuckerbergs and briny - they are not even sergeants on similar sites)).
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 10 December 2013 07: 39
          0
          Quote: ctepx
          No, zuckerbergs and briny - they are not even sergeants on similar sites)).

          - no question - a completely insignificant contribution for them to save the population of rare migratory birds + a small contribution to the charismatic "hang glider" and that's it! wink It will be difficult for them to issue a Marshal, but what a general’s thread - for God's sake! What you just don’t agree to save rare birds laughing
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 10 December 2013 07: 44
            0
            Quote: aksakal
            What you just don’t agree to save rare birds

            Something about this is good
            Although by "similar sites" I meant systems that control the electronic information space)).
  16. Corporal
    Corporal 9 December 2013 10: 03
    +6
    Conclusion, it is time to go into gold and weapons, until our money is resolved by itself.
  17. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 9 December 2013 10: 06
    +3
    Quote: mak210
    to save up for a rainy day (and it happens in Russia with frightening regularity), you need to buy raw materials (what? and where to store?) and sell it on a rainy day.

    Gold is forever.
    The golden age has not yet ended, and it is unlikely that this century will come ..
    1. sasska
      sasska 9 December 2013 10: 50
      +1
      Valery Neonov Today, 10:06
      Gold is forever.
      The golden age has not yet ended, and it is unlikely that this century will come ..


      I remembered something about Robinson Crusoe on an uninhabited island and his joy with the cutlery found, not with the piastres. forks were more useful than coins
    2. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 10 December 2013 17: 02
      0
      Gold is the same fetish as everyone else.
  18. Stinger
    Stinger 9 December 2013 10: 33
    16
    In Marx, “evil” is in surplus value, and the restoration of justice implies the removal of this value from one class in favor of another. In Gesell, “evil” is in the credit nature of money, and the restoration of justice presupposes the elimination of this credit nature, which feeds usurers. The main difference: instead of violence against people, violence against the abstraction of loan interest.

    Marx must be read until you see what is written there.
    "Evil" is not in surplus value, but in private ownership of the means of production. While this is so, their owner will eat fat. With any money. Though gold, even paper, even electronic.
    And as for the current owners of the life of bankers-usurers, this is correct. The Ministry of Finance has long turned into a cash settlement center, which formally bears responsibility for everything, and the bankers rule the ball, who formally do not answer for anything and risk only other people's money. Everyone already feels that the banking system has been reduced to absurdity and it is time to do something about it. Maybe the way the author talks about.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 9 December 2013 11: 22
      +4
      And the functions of the Ministry of Finance were originally intended to be exactly the same - a settlement and cash center !!! The whole feature of our financial system is the status of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation - it performs the functions of emission (issue of money) and regulation of money circulation, not being a government authority (it is not in the list of government bodies listed in the Constitution) Moreover, this tricky shop for ANYONE not under control, they turn back what they want, moreover, this shop has 50% of the income from printing money - i.e. the denomination of the money minus the costs of the "printing press" (paper and ink, production costs of the printing house), divided in half. And these “50%” trillions of money are also not controlled by the state. With the created financial system, the FRS just nervously smokes on the sidelines - Benya Helicopter cannot even dream that half of the income from printing the dollar will be controlled only by him and no one else ...
      And Madame Nabiullina, in comparison with Bernanke, is simply in chocolate !!!
      Well, all those who simply work in Russia just look exactly at 50% am
    2. Metlik
      Metlik 9 December 2013 13: 23
      +1
      According to Marx, capitalist society always goes to depression.

      First, with the growth of labor productivity, more and more unemployed appear - they need benefits, but they buy only the necessary.

      Secondly, the capitalist always gives rise to a crisis of overproduction. The price of all goods on the market is always more than the volume of wages received by the workers, otherwise the capitalists will not make a profit.

      If the owner of the plant spent all the profit on himself, for example, buying luxury goods,
      money would return to circulation, but he does not spend - his main goal and incentive is to increase capital.

      As a result: goods in stores, money from the rich, the economy is stagnant.

      Gesell’s money is a step in the right direction, but for sure this system will be subject to many childhood illnesses, plus the owners of capital out of their way will get out to get around it.

      I think it is worth observing foreign experience before getting into it ourselves, especially since a good tax policy can have no less effect.
      1. 225chay
        225chay 9 December 2013 21: 03
        +1
        Quote: Metlik
        As a result: goods in stores, money from the rich, the economy is stagnant.

        In short, capitalists and oligarchs - pi .... ry
  19. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 9 December 2013 10: 40
    -1
    An interesting way to solve many American problems in particular at once, although it is interesting that the Fed has been printing these same dollars as damned since 1971, but like the fact that "a little" went too far only now? I understand that powerful ordinary people are usually held for idiots , but so clumsy and rude to act right in front of everyone, this is something new, I wonder how they will motivate such an act? For ordinary Americans it is clear, but for other countries? Okay, some more countries can be "democratized" to the desired condition, but what to do, for example, with China or Russia, here direct "democratization" will not help, rather there is even an opportunity to get a little in the face, in the case of Russia I only rely on the people, not on the state. Okay, Nixon was driven into hysterics in 1971, but now- then in principle everything is exactly more or less, at least until the fall of 2014.
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 9 December 2013 17: 26
      +2
      Most likely, they will lead to the fact that the paper dollar has outlived its usefulness, the world community is very afraid of its collapse and "demands" the introduction of electronic money. And they will change 10 pieces of paper for 1 baud, some "buki-byaki" (Russia, possibly China), if buzz will remain completely without gold reserves and accounts. After all, this is their (bankers') monetary system, in which the last restrictions for them were lifted in 1971, when the dollar was untied from gold. Cattle, I don't want to croak, but they are preparing such a noose for Russia, from which it will be impossible to get out by sticking your head in there, by definition. HORSE to them in all throat. I’ll eat one bread with potatoes, but I’m not going into a loop after the grandmas.
  20. sasska
    sasska 9 December 2013 10: 47
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    You are amazed at the actions of our "best in the world" economists, when, given the availability of money from raw materials (large), the country does not develop, does not buy technology and production (as in the 30s) - has something changed?

    "effective management" in action, cho
  21. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 9 December 2013 11: 13
    +4
    Quote: Nikitin
    The complete and widespread rejection of paper money leads to a direct dependence of the population on who controls the electronic payment system

    It’s interesting how officials will take bribes this time ... or something like natural products (potatoes, butter, meat ..), because the electronic system will be under total control .. repeat
  22. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 9 December 2013 11: 16
    11
    Quote: Stinger
    "Evil" is not in surplus value, but in private ownership of the means of production. While this is so, their owner will eat fat. With any money. Though gold, even paper, even electronic.


    Exactly. Under socialism, the state took surplus value and invested where it considered necessary. In defense, science, education and upbringing of its citizens. In the development of the whole country.
    The collapse of the national suburbs of the USSR to the level of semi-feudal non-independent pseudo-states once again confirms the advantages of that system of social relations.
    The real way out of the current impasse must be based on the transformation of man.
    It is very difficult, insanely difficult. But under the power of a great country.
    Everything else in history has already been, we are now observing the results.
    And it's not about the amount of chowder available and the quantity and quality of jeans pulled over one ass.
    It's all about the quality of Man.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 9 December 2013 12: 09
      +5
      Quote: Ivan Pomidorov
      Under socialism, the state took surplus value

      State takes surplus value at state capitalism (version of imperialism).
      RџSЂRё socialismas you know, surplus value belongs those who work.
      Conclusion: we were not allowed to build socialism)).
  23. explorer
    explorer 9 December 2013 11: 17
    +4
    The size of demurrage in the electronic environment is regulated elementarily - thereby exerting influence on various macroeconomic parameters.
    AHA - recourse
    that is, for each receipt you need to keep track of how much I had this wrapper in time?
    and how many e-resources are needed to track transactions for 7,095,217,980 people. every day (yes, even a month) and who will prevent me from doing at the right time as "INVESTORS" are doing now
    FIX PROFIT in gold bars? drinks
  24. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 9 December 2013 11: 59
    +9
    Well, so-called "fair" monetary relations have long existed in Muslim countries, where they use "Sharia" banks. There is no lending, but simply a "reward". But whatever you call it, money is still "bought". By the way, an experiment took place in England for a couple of years - some banks introduced "Sharia" rules, but they gradually canceled it, allegedly due to inefficiency and lack of transparent regulation.
    Negative percentage? Rave. No one will need to bother with money in order to incur losses from holding them - barter will rule. That is, "you tell me, I tell you." Moreover, services will also become "barter". A negative percentage "to death" will kill long-term funding, and then planning. In addition, in this way bankers deftly put absolutely everyone on loans, since it will be impossible to save money for something at all. Actually for the sake of this, this whole cunning scam with a negative rate was invented, to force absolutely everyone to live on credit, and the "mulka" that this is just to accelerate the turnover of the economy was invented purely for disguise and "aversion". It will be possible to force spending money even without introducing a negative discount rate if the world community needs new technologies, production, dreams and "Wishlist" -types of floating, underwater, flying cities, settlements on the Moon and Mars, etc. New types of vehicles, housing, new products of education and health care, etc. But for this, the governments of the countries need to work and work again, and not come up with simple, cunning ways to take money from the population and dream of an "invisible hand of the market" that "will regulate everything by itself." a couple of "convenient" laws and provide financial management for a couple of smart-ass private traders pursuing only their own selfish interests.
  25. AlexA
    AlexA 9 December 2013 12: 22
    +4
    Quote: Vladimir-35136
    In my opinion, the problem is solved even easier - by refusing to charge interest on loans provided (but only the state can take such a step), banks will only have fixed payments for operational payments.

    Well done! It already was. The State Bank of the USSR was called for enterprises, and Sberkasy (not to be confused with Sberbank) for the population. Current, we all, before our own squeal, abandoned this order - as I remember now - on August 19, 1991.
  26. AlexA
    AlexA 9 December 2013 12: 26
    +3
    Quote: Ivan Pomidorov
    And it is not a matter of the amount of chowder available and the quantity and quality of jeans stretched over one ass. It's all about the quality of the Man.

    Respect. There is nothing to add.
  27. Artillerist
    Artillerist 9 December 2013 13: 12
    +1
    People no longer trust money as the standard of value. The problem with modern currencies is that they have learned to multiply themselves. As a result, money has become a more profitable product than real products and services. Meanwhile, mankind has experience in the successful use of money with a negative percentage or demurrage - payment for the use of money.

    For the first time, demurrage money appeared in ancient Egypt. Later, they were repeatedly used in medieval Europe. The demurrage mechanism is quite simple. For example, in the 10th century, the Royal Mint of Great Britain issued silver coins every 6 years, exchanging them from 4 old to 3 new ones.

    This principle was equivalent to a monthly tax of 0,35% (or 25% for 6 years) on any capital in the country. People were interested in investing in their own business or goods. They refused to accumulate and increase, so that the money would not “go bad” like fish, and would not “become hard” like bread. Preference was given to long-term investments, from which maximum profit in the future was expected.

    The creator of the euro, Bernard A. Lietar, once joked about this: “The interest rate makes modern businesses invest in pine trees that bring $ 100 in 10 years, and not in oaks that bring $ 1000 in 100 years. The lack of demurrage leads to the inaccessibility of the foresight and thoroughness of the builders of Egyptian pyramids and ancient temples. These facilities will stand still for millennia, but our generation will leave only nuclear waste to descendants. ”

    There is experience in the successful use of money with demurrage in the 20th century. These projects were local in nature and were based on Freigeld’s theory of free money, which was developed by the German economist and entrepreneur Johann Silvio Gesell in the early 20th century.

    Free money with a negative percentage was introduced by the municipalities of Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the USA. Almost everywhere, they led to the elimination of the shortage of money and unemployment, increased tax collection, increased investment activity and trade.

    Later, these experiments were stopped, and the name of Silvio Gesell was forgotten. John Maynard Keynes noted that Gesell’s idea of ​​free money was an effective and successful way to undermine the foundations of the global financial system and eliminate the dictates of credit money.

    Источник: http://www.fin-eco.ru/2012/10/demeredzh.html#ixzz2my20haa9
    1. dropout
      dropout 9 December 2013 15: 03
      +5
      Quote: Artillerist
      Gesell’s free money idea was an effective and successful way to undermine the foundations of the global financial system and eliminate the dictates of credit money.


      That is why it is difficult to believe that the "world bourgeois" will voluntarily tear off his own eggs.
  28. tnship2
    tnship2 9 December 2013 13: 55
    +4
    The Third World War has begun. There will only be no assaulting armies in the past. Someone will show up with someone. They will run false prophets in a jamb. Fatal scenarios are drawn. Some scholars are fake. Can it just start working? Create real wealth of the people and not cloud services?
    1. I think so
      I think so 9 December 2013 16: 06
      -1
      World War III has begun. There will only be no assault armies.
      Oh, don’t tell me ... The present time, when correlated with the time 30x, corresponds somewhere to the 32-33th year. Soon, in the wake of a bad life, a new Hitler appeared there ... And there it is already known ... drang tries remain ...
      1. tnship2
        tnship2 9 December 2013 16: 59
        0
        Drang nakh turned pink and blue. Where to go east with such? Shame alone. They will miss our women’s faces to our army. Or is it self-flagellation of the nation for defeat in the Great Patriotic War for us and WW2 for them?
  29. I think so
    I think so 9 December 2013 15: 23
    +8
    Strange little article ...
    Here, under the guise of a "new" system and a panacea for all the troubles of capitalism, the same animal capitalism is being promoted. I will explain my idea. And how does “demorraj” differ in principle from simple inflation that we all know? The answer is - NOTHING! The only difference is that it will not be necessary to periodically carry out "denominations" (removal of zeros on banknotes). Otherwise, everything is the same, but only even worse for ordinary people. Why? Yes, simply because "electronic money" is TOTAL control over all people (Stalin and the NKVD nervously smoke on the sidelines, "kind" envious of the Jewish financial mafia). Well, then why do the apologists of this "demorraj" tear up their butt so sorry for that? They themselves said in this article openly - "... the rules in which we can establish in accordance with our Civilizational values ​​...". Those. these guys want to start setting THEIR RULES. Now about who will own such a monetary system. I hope it will never occur to anyone that the "new" monetary system will be commanded by someone other than the current "impudent Judeo-Protestant usurers"? Naturally, they will not let anyone else in this case, it is obvious. And if any country dares to tear away its currency from them and take control of it, it will be like now - they will bomb, arrange a "color" revolution there, impose an embargo, seize accounts, arrest people, deny entry to officials, inspect ships and cargo in the window, land and search presidential planes, etc.
    Those. we see roughly "the same eggs side view". Only there is a nuance - everyone will be put under a CAP OF ELECTRONIC MONEY. This is the most terrible dictatorship of capital, which the world has never seen, and we are all led to it like sheep. And such little articles try to obscure our heads, so that we foolishly and AMAZING ourselves would rush there and think - "hurray we are AHEAD OF THE ALL PLANET." Yes, ahead of the planet, go to the FULL and TOTAL bondage. If with cash there is still at least minimal freedom for an ordinary person not to be under the hood, then this will not work with electronic money. Everything will be known.
    I hope the authors of the article are sincerely mistaken and are not part of the Zionist freaks trying to completely enslave the whole world ...
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 9 December 2013 17: 45
      0
      Into the "bull's-eye", which is in fact a "miserable death" - to get to that needle, I would break every day.
  30. 787nkx
    787nkx 9 December 2013 15: 47
    0
    But what about bribes and kickbacks ???
  31. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 16: 09
    -5
    A very reasonable idea, paper money will flow into property.
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 9 December 2013 17: 46
      0
      Whose? And under whose jurisdiction?
  32. Chertkov Oleg
    Chertkov Oleg 9 December 2013 16: 32
    -1
    Quote: Lukich
    ... there is GOLD ... no one canceled it !!! ...

    And where are the gold reserves of ALL countries, you know? There the rocket accidentally falls.
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 16: 45
      -2
      Gold reserves lie in gold and diamonds and not in green paper.
  33. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 16: 35
    0
    It will become extremely unprofitable to keep money in banks, "interest on the contrary" will simply not allow it. Thus, apparently they want to make savings work for the economy. I would also like to know the population of which countries this will affect. And in general, an idea that is completely opposed to the idea of ​​the Old Testament is interesting. laughing
    1. I think so
      I think so 9 December 2013 16: 56
      +1
      And in what delirium did you see "... completely opposed to the idea of ​​the Old Testament ..."? Nothing changes. Now this "demorraj", or whatever it was called in the little article, is happening in the form of inflation ... and now inflation is already HIGHER than interest rates, at least than that of the Fed. However, NOBODY takes their deposits from banks, no one throws off in a treasured panic (pi.ndosov government bonds). So there Nothing will change except for the APPEARANCE of TOTAL CONTROL OF ALL (!). And you're talking about the old testament ...
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 17: 14
        -1
        Inflation is a consequence of loan interest, which, in turn, is painted in decrepit
        It’s now that interest rates allow you to at least preserve capital. That’s why no one takes deposits. And when you introduce what we’re talking about, there will be no talk of margin. You’ve come up with total control because of a misunderstanding of the material.
        1. I think so
          I think so 9 December 2013 17: 29
          -1
          It's useless to argue with you. Nobody bothers now with the help of inflation to take ANY percentage. But NOBODY does this now and will not do it even then. The purpose of all this is to transfer everyone under the hood of ELECTRONIC MONEY. As it is already done with mobile phones, which the United States listens to around the world and track the location of ALL phones in REAL time. And you here naively think that I have come up with something "from a misunderstanding of the material." Turn on your brain at least for a moment and maybe you will understand the essence of what is happening ... otherwise I suppose that it is necessary to turn it on ...
    2. Jet
      Jet 9 December 2013 16: 57
      -1
      As for the negative interest rate, it should be noted that this is not news at all, such experience already exists in world practice. For example, Denmark introduced negative deposit rates in July 2012 to curb fluctuations of the kroon against the euro. In February 2013, the Bank of England announced that it was considering negative rates as a possible measure. In some commercial banks, for example, Europe and Israel, the% on deposits is 0, or goes into minus.
      For the implementation of monetary policy in Japan, the central bank of the country has for several years been setting the overnight interest rate at less than 1%:
      from 2001 to 2006 - 0,0%,
      from February 2007 to October 2008 - 0,5%,
      from November 1, 2008 to December 18, 2008 - 0,3%,
      from December 19, 2008 to October 4, 2010 - 0,1%,
      On October 5, 2010, the Bank of Japan lowered the interest rate to 0-0,1%.
      1. Jet
        Jet 10 December 2013 17: 05
        0
        who is just stupidly minus? without explaining why and why? or just scared of lowering rates?)))
  34. Jet
    Jet 9 December 2013 16: 59
    -1
    The meaning of this measure is that the central banks of different countries seek to encourage commercial and other banks to place temporarily idle funds not on accounts with the central bank (receiving a minimum interest income or not even receiving income during a crisis, for example, but without risk for yourself to lose this money), and to direct them into the economy in the form of investments. What do CIS banks also come with time ..
    1. I think so
      I think so 9 December 2013 17: 19
      0
      You are absolutely wrong here when you say "the Central Bank is trying to stimulate commercial and other banks to place temporarily free funds not in accounts with the central bank."
      Why? Because ALL money and commercial banks and so they took from the Central Bank at interest. And in order to stimulate their use it is necessary to raise the refinancing rate, and we see that almost all over the world this rate is almost NULL. It is strange then, in your opinion, the behavior of the Central Bank comes out giving money for FREE, and then they want to pick it up by a negative percentage. Your assumption is completely erroneous. This whole gimmick is conceived to introduce a TOTAL SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM for all the people of the planet, as it happens with mobile phones, when the United States monitors the movement (!) Of all (!) Mobile phone holders all over the world in real (!) Time .. And here also your money will be watched ... full out ...
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 17: 36
        0
        Yes, what’s the matter of total surveillance? Such a volume of information is simply physically impossible to process. The thoughts of an ordinary member of society are not so important. Total surveillance is effective in a single totalitarian state but not in the whole world
        community. Well, let the NSA citizen follow me; I don’t give a damn. Let the NSA keep track of a billion Chinese or Indians to cheat on them, it's just aimless
        waste of gigantic funds.
      2. Jet
        Jet 9 December 2013 22: 06
        -2
        "A TOTAL SYSTEM OF MONITORING FOR ALL people on the planet" ?! just like that, in big letters? and necessarily three exclamation marks?;) wow, where did you aim, again a universal conspiracy, the intrigues of the world government? maybe the Masons ?! In short, Dan Brown is resting .. Actually, it was about the funds attracted on deposits from individuals and legal entities. Earlier, a reward was offered for their placement, now, the rates are lowered, so that the money does not lie dead weight, but pours into the real sector and increases GDP. That is, now people pay banks for keeping money, and not vice versa. And if you want to have a profit, spin this money, develop the economy and pay taxes.
  35. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 17: 43
    0
    And you need to follow the money very closely, in this I am for total surveillance, especially for big money. laughing
  36. dengy12
    dengy12 9 December 2013 17: 58
    0
    Quote: Dwarfik
    Good! Hmm, a large-scale "kidok" is brewing. Should we withdraw our gold reserves from there before it's too late or too late? The Germans have already been ridden with their gold.

    it just seems that our powers that be are not drawing any lessons ...
    but we can understand everything perfectly and therefore do nothing?
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 9 December 2013 18: 20
      0
      Quote: dengy12
      but we can understand everything perfectly and therefore do nothing?

      Yep script
      Relax and try to have fun
      The phrase is a formula for humorous comfort in a situation where avoid unpleasant events is not possible.
      drinks
  37. fomich1977
    fomich1977 9 December 2013 18: 44
    0
    there is something to ponder ...
  38. No_more
    No_more 9 December 2013 19: 40
    0
    I did not quite understand how it would be possible to exist in this model, because now the money supply is growing, including due to interest rates. And then it will decrease at a constant speed and one day it will dry out.
    Or will they seal the money to provide the necessary amount of money for the exchange? Then who will have this prepress money? A kind of tax on all money in favor of the one who prints it?

    It’s a very dubious system, and the claimed benefits are not supported by evidence. If anyone can, advise where you can read more appropriate articles on this topic.
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 20: 15
      -1
      Everything will happen only within the US financial system, to get rid of extra money. If the experiment is successful, then the United States will become a normal country, if not then
      no. Too many dollars printed, you need to get rid of them,
      there are so many of them that the introduced system can work painlessly for many years. And then no one thought so far. It's like Hitler’s capture
      USSR along the line Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan, and then think about it. smile
  39. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 19: 42
    0
    They will do so, transfer money under control, plus minus interest. They will make the money work and begin to clean up their public debt.
  40. fedval7560
    fedval7560 9 December 2013 20: 00
    +1
    Yes, it’s clear that the matter is dark. (As an engineer technician). Well, why they never listen to economic science in our country (if any). We always choose killer models. Well, where everyone is looking. There are errors in technology, but the worst is poor with electricity. And in the economy, look at the splinter. Well, answer somebody associate professors with candidates ??????
  41. Grbear
    Grbear 9 December 2013 20: 50
    +2
    The concept of "payment for money" is interesting and even effective, BUT only on condition that money remains a means of payment, or rather, a kind of independent commodity. And this contradicts the main principle - money equivalent goods. You may have a very beautiful piece of paper, but three rams, anyway, are equal to one cow. This means that surplus value should be created in the production process, and not during any operations with the equivalent, which, in essence, is only a reflection of the significance of the product.

    Pay for money is the flip side of the usurious model. Money, also, acts as an independent element (commodity), which is regulated by someone behind the screen according to someone else's rules.

    In this regard, socialism (even ours, Soviet), with its complete withdrawal of jointly produced surplus value, is an ideal model. But the HUMAN man himself becomes the biggest problem here, his not the best qualities. And these are questions of morality. For which the Union actually paid. hi
  42. Irokez
    Irokez 9 December 2013 21: 00
    +4
    Electronic money is electronic slavery.
    Everything is right, as with the cellular ones, the bug always walks with you, and the one bought for your money and with electronic cards or chips embedded under your skin is also global control, but everything is for the sake of supposedly versatility and service and that will not be stolen and always with you. On the one hand, it is as if wonderful and practical, but on the other hand it is terrible and enslavement in the form of what you will have to:
    - comply with all laws prescribed in the state, and even the world (but as you know there are no ideal people in law obedience);
    - completely depend on this system (an alternative is only subsistence farming and a house in the village);
    - any of your indignation and dissatisfaction with something in life is punishable by elementary blocking of your electronic account and you start to swell with hunger for what the hell you buy (and everything just turns out that the gods direct and punish us);
    - a system failure, for example, a power outage, cataclysms, magnetic storms, and so on, and then everything collapsed all at once and the gods begin to introduce a new system, resetting everything at once (the same terrorists launched the virus and the whole state collapsed, but this could collapse the planet and by the way, it’s not the terrorists who can even be to blame, but the inventors of the system themselves).
    Remember the movie "The Matrix" well, everything is according to this scenario and it looks like it is a guide to action or a hint of what will happen in the future.
    The strongest and most reliable money is goods or services made by you. As always, the universal medium of exchange is gold, silver, platinum, precious metals and resources (oil, gas, wood, soon and clean water, energy in the form of electricity and other minerals, and most interestingly, knowledge of technology).
    Therefore, it turns out logically that the issue of, for example, several parallel world currencies can be provided with these resources, for example:
    - energy currency (oil, gas, coal can also be attributed to energy in general);
    - resource currency (minerals of industrial production);
    - precious currency (jewelry such as gold, silver, precious metals and all kinds of treasures of the planet);
    - agricultural currency (this is what the state can grow and provide stable every year);

    Further, the continuation of the post goes in the next comment.
  43. Irokez
    Irokez 9 December 2013 21: 01
    +2
    So this is so purely approximately for a multi-currency financial scheme, a parallel system of global payment interaction.
    Each country having certain natural or reproducible resources in the form of agricultural products or energy and minerals can issue a certain amount of these types of currencies (I repeat each country without one world bank) and trade and buy on the world market any goods that are suitable for this type of currency and, moreover, exchange currencies one to another in some proportions naturally. With an increase in the production and economy of the state, more money can be issued in accordance with the growth of the economy, but at the same time there should be a strict restriction on the output so as not to re-release more than the goods can produce. This should be monitored (only monitored and controlled) by a certain global organization, which will literally include all countries on equal (equal) conditions and its task is to keep a strict balance of the currency mass from the production of goods.
    At the same time, in order to prevent the dependence of one state on another, to limit the property that other states can buy in each state (regardless of system) to no more than 20-25% so that if a mess and war could not be destroyed by purely economic levers (that is, to increase security each state with its goods and, above all, grocery).
    The meaning of this is to restrict the huge private property that inevitably appears and, in view of such a restriction, prohibit any speculation on this basis, and for civilians it is generally not a problem to make a restriction around the world (let's say no more than 1000 units of the world average salary, well, this is just an example, but then 1000'000 and the like, everything above, sacrifice to the starving if there are any, but at your own discretion). The problem of the Aligarhs and the mighty with incredible riches like right now disappears.
    Well, something like that. Of course he explained crudely, but the essence is approximately clear and still work and work on such a system. But here it’s just that one can introduce electronic money that is tightly tied in each individual state to its currency money and under the control of the state itself, but at the same time as an obligation to circulate and pure money (like right now in Russia). This alternative is required, and by the way, if they are in electronic form, then you can withdraw interest for being idle and the larger the amount, the more you withdraw (such as interest right now in the bank on deposits). By the way, take loans, but only from the state where you live, and states can take from other states, but not more than 20-25% of their GDP.
    Well this is my vision (IMHO) and therefore do not throw tomatoes.
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  45. darksoul
    darksoul 9 December 2013 22: 33
    +1
    China is going to transfer to its own money, what are our problems, how can we keep our reserve fund with our main foe .... the ruble is worse than this urgent piece of paper without any support ...... they can be destroyed as well they are inside of us, take the green woof out of circulation ... but
  46. Irokez
    Irokez 9 December 2013 22: 47
    +3
    In general, I am inclined to the idea that the faster the dollar collapses, the faster the whole world begins to live in a new way. After a sharp fall, everything will begin to be built from scratch and figs with it with debts, and figs with them missing reserves as well as the private property of those in power. The main thing is that the economies of countries develop for the benefit of their economies, but not parasites, but this is the key to success and prosperity for all than the elite. If you have nothing to sell abroad, so develop your agriculture, and after feeding yourself and go to foreign trade, go, but without debts and predatory loans.
    And in terms of the security of the ruble, Russia is one of the most prosperous in terms of both natural resources and fertile land with energy. But the problem is that there is no will of politicians or any international obstacles to do it. Hope for BRICS to somehow change the financial system in the world to an alternative. And when several alternative currencies are wonderful and there is no one monopoly over the whole world.
  47. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 22: 56
    -2
    Electronic money is the future of mankind and the problem is not in the qualitative definition of the equivalent
    and in control over their use. It is no secret that at present the money is in the hands of those who
    sharply demarcates a person as such and his self. It is with this that there is a struggle in the financial world. Either the infinite Self is nothing, and the world is falling into chaos, or humanity, as part of the universe, is trying to know itself and the universe. However, this is probably too deep. In general, this is the right move, it will benefit humanity. bully
  48. Irokez
    Irokez 9 December 2013 23: 17
    +2
    Quote: EdwardTich68
    Either the infinite Self is nothing, and the world is falling into chaos, or humanity, as part of the universe, is trying to know itself and the universe

    This is the direction of the future for humanity. But the problem is that forces on the earth and in space (for sure) prevent this from preventing the development of mankind into outer space, muddy the water on the earth. When they flew to the Moon, and already a long time and with new technologies on the earth we are marking time. So it’s impossible-I-I-I-I, ra-a-a-ano yet, undergrowth.
    Involuntarily you come to the ideas of Communism when the human consciousness is so perfect that the public will far exceed the egoistic and there will be no such principles as:
    - career in business;
    - tolerance;
    - democracy of today's model;
    - a man above society;
    - take everything from life;
    - having sex;
    - etc.
    A person will have such self-awareness that he will control his negative emotions at the very early stages of their origin and then, in general, such a thing as money can disappear. And at the moment, the society of preaching is working on its ego on its own Self and therefore everything social and spiritual is considered a relic of the past or the lot of losers and weaklings. With this approach, people themselves will devour themselves with selfishness and pride, and with such spirituality other highly developed civilizations simply will not let us out into space, protecting themselves first of all from earthly savages.
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 23: 43
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      Who said that the self-consciousness of a huge unwashed humanity needs to wait?
      Should not force, like Christians, Muslims and Communists drive him into a brighter future? bully
  49. Grif
    Grif 10 December 2013 06: 43
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    "Right" money is, of course, good. But something tells me that all this fuss is a search for a new way to rob the whole world. Banks, you say, will lose their meaning? But will the small people allow this? Nobody wants to take loans, they are full. It's just that loans will become mandatory, albeit in a veiled form. They'll cheat us again!