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On the new Russian juvenile laws ...

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It seems that the world in its madness no longer has a chance to stop: in England, the Essex County social services forcibly subjected a pregnant woman (by the way, an Italian citizen who arrived on a business trip) to a caesarean section and took her child.

All her fault was that at some point she had a feeling of fear that, in principle, happens to pregnant women quite often, and she called the police, who, referring to the condition of “panic attack” diagnosed in her, delivered her in a psychiatric hospital. And there her child was withdrawn (in the most direct sense). And now she, surrounded by lawyers, is suing for custody of her own baby.

Prior to this incident, we had heard only about the practice of taking away a child right in the delivery room of “unworthy mothers” in Germany and Finland, but there it was about babies who were already born naturally. And in order to wrest it from the maternal bosom - such fascism has not yet been practiced.

The West is showing us a picture of global dehumanization, but it would be suicidal to calm down by the fact that we have a different path. Alas, this is not entirely true. The other way is our desire. But in reality, we are only just one step behind. And we have a whole detachment of guides, who are vigilantly watching that we do not stray from the intended course. To go to the next.

Someone does not believe? Evidence around - do not count.

Punish parents to beat drug addiction

Here, for example, 2 December 2013, the State Duma received a bill N 398424-6 "On amending the article 5.35 of the Administrative Offenses Code of the Russian Federation to strengthen the responsibility for non-fulfillment or improper fulfillment by minors of content duties by parents or other legal representatives. upbringing, education, protection of the rights and interests of minors ", providing for an increase in fines for non-performance by parents or other legal representatives of minors annostey for their maintenance and education.

He was introduced to the State Duma by a member of the Committee on Family, Women and Children MP LDPR deputy Irina Chirkova, who believes that the increase in fines four times will allow parents to begin "educate children in the spirit of moral and legal norms."

The explanatory note states: “More and more often children are attached to the use of alcohol and drugs, the number of children who do not receive education is increasing, the number of homeless and homeless children is not decreasing. There is a need to improve the effectiveness of the rules on the responsibility of parents and other specified persons. ”

Nobody says that parents should not be responsible for their children, but in the absence of a clear conceptual apparatus in Russian legislation in the sphere of child-parent relations, an unclear causal connection between non-fulfillment of parental duties, which is expressed in (what?) And the ensuing consequences, creates an unlimited room for imagination in the application of such laws and cultivates Ryazan, Vladimir, Kemerovo and other spontaneous laws.

And then, by the will of the young deputy, everything was brilliantly simple: he fined the parent - and, like in a fairy tale, crumbled, turned into dust the drug cartels, drug propaganda in the media, in advertising, in movies and on TV, on the Internet, in pop culture, pseudo-prophylactic anti-drug programs of various NGOs and other large-scale impact. A path has finally been found and the enemy is designated. And this enemy is the parent. Atu it!

For selected child - 30 thousand from parent

And the Federation Council went even further: 4 December 2013 at the Parliamentary hearings on the topic: “The demographic development of the regions: the social aspect. Strengthening parents' responsibility for the maintenance and upbringing of children ”it was announced that senators drafted amendments to the Family Code, according to which it was proposed to deprive parents or guardians of rights to a child for insulting, ridiculing, harassing or intimidating children.

At the same time, Senator Valentina Petrenko, in her speech, noted the high degree of danger of “mental abuse of children”, although she nevertheless suggested thinking over “who and how can assess the degree of mental abuse”.

A member of the Social Policy Committee Valery Aksakov stressed that the draft law “more fully discloses the notion of child abuse and introduces a differentiation of punishment in the Article 156 of the Criminal Code (failure to fulfill the obligations of raising a minor) according to the severity of the offense, as well as depending on the subject of the crime (parents, teachers). ”

Valery Ryazansky, Chairman of the Social Policy Committee of the Social Policy, said that 80% of children in orphanages are orphans with living parents, and in order to create additional guarantees for children to receive money from parents who have been deprived of parental rights, they will be obliged to pay for the maintenance of their child. monthly 20-30 thousand rubles. http://vz.ru/news/2013/12/4/662728.html

And correctly, it should be easy to take away the child: he said that the parent had ridiculed the child - and he is yours. And in the "ill-treatment" of the notorious 156 Art. insert "mental abuse". But to select a child is half the battle, to embed it in the scheme of economic feasibility, when there would be a profit from his stay in an orphanage until the moment of transfer to the hands of a new owner, this is the main task. So he must be profitable. And the key to this is parental alimony to the state. And which parent can pay 20 thousands? That's right, rich. So, now the period of "dispossession", the removal of children from the parents of the wealthy?

Valery Ryazansky is sure: in this case, the “whip method” should be - money spent by the state on providing children from dysfunctional families should automatically become a parent debt, for which poor parents can either go to work and pay most of their salaries or leave housing .

It turns out that under the gun now and the rich and the poor. The target group does not change, but simply expands.

What we assumed.

Fifteen thousand each

Also in the State Duma a member of the State Duma Committee on Public Associations and Religious Organizations, LDPR deputy Vitaly Zolochevsky December 5 2013, introduced Bill N 401490-6 “On Amendments to the Family Code of the Russian Federation”, which stipulates that children of divorced parents will be able to receive 15 thousand rubles monthly.

At the same time, the state will pay them only if mom or dad “maliciously” evade paying alimony, and those parents who are not hiding will pay the entire fixed amount, which will not depend on the parent's real salary, but it can increase by decision of the state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation in accordance with the standard of living and other coefficients that are adopted in this constituent entity. This, according to the author, "will testify to the implementation by the state of the function of social protection of this category of citizens." asozd2.duma.gov.ru/main.nsf/%28SpravkaNew%29?OpenAgent&RN=401490-6&02

Social protection of citizens through their strangulation? Alimony, exceeding the minimum wage three times?

An honest father will have to lay down his bones in any other city except Moscow so that from his average salary in 12-15-20 (and somewhere in the outback 6-10) thousands per month to give 15 thousand to a child and still keep his living and to create a new family.

Again the parent is to blame for the fact that the constitutional social function of the state is not being fulfilled? Is it that the family is not supported in any way? That everyone with her only wants to get something, nothing but a thrill before punitive arbitrariness of guardianship, without giving in exchange? And she is also told that she died long ago?

Or maybe start with parental allowances for a child - at least the same 15 thousand per person per month for a family, and raise them in accordance with "the standard of living and other coefficients" - maybe the family would become stronger, and alimony would not be needed ?

Or is it all quite simple: cynically hiding behind the kids, in this way we lath our budget, drained of anti-crisis measures to support banks and a new kind of “business” - inexhaustible and uncontrollable corruption?

Together with the child and give the house

The Human Rights Council (HRC) has not remained aloof from tearing the family apart. In the framework of the President’s order to improve the Law on Additional Guarantees for Social Support for Orphaned Children, its members suggested that parents deprived of parental rights, whose children are in an orphanage or boarding school, be evicted from their living space in special dormitories, which executive bodies will have to organize or build over the next five years. Like, it will help protect housing from destruction. http://izvestia.ru/news/561417

And the city authorities even worked ahead of the curve: 30 of October 2013 was announced that the Moscow Government decided to prepare and submit to the State Duma a draft of relevant amendments to the current legislation: the head of the Moscow Department of Social Security, Vladimir Petrosyan, believes that with this measure “you can provide children with housing at the expense of their careless parents. " http://komissy.ru/main/?p=3530

It should not be forgotten that in the capital already without 2009, the Regulation on the interaction between the executive authorities of the city of Moscow and the local governments of the inner-city municipalities in the city of Moscow to resolve the issue of using the housing stock of the city of Moscow with the deprivation of parents of parents rights in the application of part 2 of the article 91 of the Housing Code of the Russian Federation ”, which prescribes, in parallel with the package of documents, the deprivation of parental rights in the same three days ulation package of documents on the deprivation of parental social housing. http://www.norm-load.ru/SNiP/Data1/57/57154/index.htm

After a child is taken away from him instead of his legal social housing, a citizen is either not given anything at all or allocated as much as six meters of living space, and his former housing is improved by the living conditions of other families; the child sent to the orphanage, sometime later, probably, will also be given something.

And if a citizen is not an asocial element, but does he have children and a nice large apartment in the center? No abuse will occur? Nobody, on the far-fetched grounds, will deprive a child and will not take shelter? Right? Can you believe?

The housing code of this very 91 article is not just because: according to it, housing can and should be selected. And about the Constitution while no one remembers. And the truth is, to look into it is only to get confused: not a single law corresponds to it, and by definition the state is legal. Complete schizophrenia is obtained ....

So all the same our children - abroad?

According to VTsIOM, 64% of Russians support a ban on the adoption of Russian children by foreign citizens. Regional legislators are trying to restore common sense and morality to lawmaking: 3 December 2013 The Council of People's Deputies of the Kemerovo Region submitted a bill to the State Duma prohibiting the adoption of Russian children by foreigners, except for cases of transferring children for adoption to relatives regardless of their citizenship or place of residence.

In July 2012, the Kemerovo deputies already provoked the anger of Moscow: the chairman of the State Duma Committee on the Family, Elena Mizulina, in response to the regional law “On protecting the rights and interests of orphans and children left without parental care, when adopted by US citizens and stateless permanently residing in the United States "declared the actions of the Kemerovo deputies" unscrupulous, criminal, anti-patriotic, and proclaimed that the regional law could be challenged and repealed, and Kemerovskaya was quick to make prosecutor's office. However, as early as December 2012, the State Duma adopted the “law of Dima Yakovlev” prohibiting, inter alia, the American adoption of our orphans.

And 4 December 2013, the speaker of the Federation Council V.I. Matvienko, talking about the results of the official visit of the delegation to Sweden, announced that the adoption of Russian orphans to Sweden, terminated after the adoption of the law prohibiting the adoption of Russian children in countries where same-sex marriages are legal, can be resumed after the signing of a bilateral agreement regulating the adoption procedure. www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1741083.html

By the way, in Sweden, the procedure of “reshuffling” is allowed, that is, the transfer of an orphan as a thing to an infinite number of “parents”.

How can we understand the ordinary citizen, where is the truth after all: if there is a law, is it necessary to implement it? If necessary, then why, given the current ban on the adoption of Russian orphans, we will still give them to Sweden, a country with perverted cohabitation? So, it is possible under the existing law to simply say: “And we will,” and thus cancel it?

Why? Just "because"?

But at the same time, we definitely do not sell anyone!

According to the recently authorized rhetoric of the Child Rights Ombudsman P. Astakhov, 643 757 are orphans in Russia, and the mechanism of their appearance is as follows: “The guardianship bodies have a stereotype that the state shouldn’t mess up with the parents, the state will raise children. Recently, we have a tendency when the guardianship bodies more and more deprived the parents of their parental rights. At one point, the figure reached a critical threshold in 100 for thousands of disenfranchised parents per year. And these adults usually have two, three or four children. And every year a whole army of children appeared who were seized by a court. ” http://izvestia.ru/news/561677

Back in 2011, the Prosecutor General’s Office revealed more than three thousand violations of the law by the guardianship and custody agencies. http://rg.ru/2011/06/14/opeka-anons.html And where can thousands of children taken away from 643 parents even in such a big country as Russia? Correctly, abroad.

According to P. Astakhov, “about a third of children do not take root in foster families, there are Internet exchanges with 25-30 thousand children”, a quarter of all people in the United States.

You need to understand what a “child appearing on the Internet exchange” is a product that is put up for auction.

And nothing was invented here: 5 December 2013. The Investigation Department of the Investigative Committee for the North-West Federal District issued a statement that a criminal case was opened into trafficking in the United States: illegal exchanges were created on the Yahoo and Facebook Internet resources, which carried out illegal transactions in relation to children, including 26 Russian children, adopted by US citizens, who were also subjected to sexual exploitation. http://sledcom.ru/actual/367706/

Pavel Astakhov is categorical: “I can responsibly declare that in Russia there are no“ child brokers ”selling children, and never will be!”.

May be so. But up to that time they were. The situation, you know, has. And the sale of children can have hidden forms.

In addition, according to Pavel Alekseevich himself, now in Russia, the adoptive parent receives an allowance for each adopted child from the state: “In Moscow 21-22 thousand rubles per month, plus seasonal allowances, plus in-kind, in the Vladimir region - 6 -6,5 thousand rubles, in Krasnodar - 20 thousand rubles.

This, of course, is cheaper than 60-200 thousand rubles per month for the maintenance of one child in an orphanage. But this is incomparably more expensive than state assistance to a specific family with children. Maybe in this scenario, something is mixed up?

So why do we still intend to give up our orphans?

20 Thousands of Russian parents are now queuing for the adoption of a child - will we ignore this fact?

And is it not worthwhile to pay attention also to other countries, with allowed sodomite unions, where we suddenly decided to give our children, despite the 20 thousandth queues of Russian adoptive parents and the prohibitive law?

Road to nowhere

Each of the phenomena described, as links of a chain, eventually closes into an indissoluble link.

So, the legislators create special laws, with non-prescribed key concepts and undisclosed cause-and-effect relationships, allowing, if necessary, to operate with them in the manner of a "gadget": "Watch your hands."

In parallel with this, frontal informational campaigns on the topic of the epidemic of domestic violence and the protection of children from cruel treatment are carried out in the country.

The guardianship and trusteeship bodies create a new dominant of their activities: instead of long-term assistance and support, operational control and radical sanctions against the family.

In social services, plans are made “to work with the family,” the criteria for which each service creates its own.

Representatives of social services use their monopolistic right to take a child from their parents to reduce work with the family: the family is weak / guilty / disliked - they took the child - reported on the measures taken to save the child from abuse - made a new plan.

After the child is selected and a court decision is taken, information about him goes to the federal data bank, to the site, then three refusals of Russian adoptive parents are issued for him according to a certain scheme and the foreign “family” comes to meet him, who often leaves the child immediately.

Is it possible to stop this scheme with only one statement of one person, even if it is a “very big boss”?

After all, the conveyor is not interrupted: both chambers of the Federal Assembly are vying with each other to write laws that reinforce the powerlessness of parents and create new economic strangulation. After that, the stream of orphans will not be interrupted. And as before, new agreements are being prepared on the transfer of Russian orphans to other countries.

Our country is sick. Demographic collapse - this is one of the diagnoses. The country has very few people for its expanses. And even less - children. But the country does not strengthen its tissues, destroys families and gives its neighbors the greatest value - their children. This is the road to nowhere.

Everybody knows it. Only a lazy one has not said this yet. But the path has not changed a millimeter.

We are still following the trail into the darkness of non-existence, encouraging ourselves with cries that now everything will be fine.

Will be. There will certainly be. Someone will definitely be fine. The only question is to whom.

We will cancel the parents, destroy the family and sell the children. And we end up as a people, as a country, as a civilization.

And this point is already close. Only one turn left. If no one stops us.
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  1. +13
    9 December 2013 07: 44
    And in order to wrest him from his mother’s bosom, such fascism has not yet been practiced.
    About this it is necessary to tell the EuroMaydans at the rally, let them think where they are breaking.
    Also in the State Duma ..... on December 5, 2013, a deputy from the LDPR Vitaly Zolochevsky introduced Bill No. 401490-6 “On Amending the Family Code of the Russian Federation”, which stipulates that children of divorced parents will be able to receive 15 thousand rubles monthly .

    This LDPRovets in the Russian Zamkadie at least once been? 15 thousand are not paid at every job, but he wants to collect them in the form of alimony for everyone! a child. There will be a bunch of malicious, which turns out - to the state-owned apartment, and these grandmothers from the budget to pay the kids. This of course will raise the birth rate to heaven. The budget is not rubber to keep both parents and children.
    1. +19
      9 December 2013 07: 58
      This, of course, is cheaper than 60-200 thousand rubles per month for the maintenance of one child in an orphanage.
      I did not know that we have 60-200 thousand per month allocated for one child belay The question is, where is the money? - simply amounts such that all children living in orphanages should ride Cruisers and eat in the best restaurants.
      1. +10
        9 December 2013 08: 06
        Greetings to Alexander! hi , 200000 rubles is the same 900000 tenge in our factory, even the director does not have such a salary! Although Kruzak rides.
        It seems that someone is cashing in on the kids, and accordingly lobbying for laws to make more orphans.
        1. +5
          9 December 2013 08: 10
          Quote: Canep
          It looks like someone is cashing in on the kids,

          Hello, Sergey! Even if they allocate 200 pieces, the big question is how much of this money reaches the children. They go out. After reaching adulthood and often they have to wait for an apartment for years.
          1. +3
            9 December 2013 08: 45
            In Kazakhstan, they also talk about juvenile, but about protecting children not from their parents, but from the state, for example, the testimony of the imperfect cannot be considered in court if they are not given in the presence of the parents, there are not many cases of deprivation of parental rights, and there is also a RESTRICTION on parental rights, that is, as long as parents don’t get sick, or are being treated for drug addiction, alcoholism or schiza, children can be sent to relatives or to an orphanage, but parents can communicate with children. In my opinion, the deprivation procedure is as follows: a judicial warning, there may be several of them, restriction of rights for a certain period, and only then deprivation of rights. That is, there is time to change their minds, they can immediately deprive them only if there is a clear threat to the life of the child.
            1. +2
              9 December 2013 09: 05
              In Pavlodar, recently, the Witnesses of Egova were deprived of their parental rights for half a day, the judge wrote a decision right in the hospital, the child needed an urgent blood transfusion, and his parents didn’t need any. These parents were deprived of the trailer by 2 more children.
              1. +6
                9 December 2013 09: 20
                Quote: Canep
                In Pavlodar, recently the Witnesses of Yegov were deprived of parental rights for half a day

                This sect is generally forbidden to the genus. In this case, the court did the right thing, there the sectarians will turn their children so brains that zombies will grow.
                1. +1
                  9 December 2013 09: 55
                  We have not banned witnesses.
                  1. +1
                    9 December 2013 10: 00
                    Quote: Canep
                    We have not banned witnesses.

                    Over time, banned.
                    1. 0
                      9 December 2013 10: 14
                      The literature of the religious association "Jehovah's Witnesses" was declared extremist by the Agency for Religious Affairs. However, representatives of "Jehovah's Witnesses" did not agree with the decision of the authorized body and filed a lawsuit against the officials.
                      http://tengrinews.kz/tv/blogi/192/
                      The organization itself is not yet banned.
              2. +2
                9 December 2013 19: 47
                Quote: Canep
                Egova’s witnesses were deprived of their parental rights for half a day, the judge wrote a decision right in the hospital, the child needed an urgent blood transfusion, and his parents didn’t. These parents were deprived of the trailer by 2 more children.


                Yes, such parents generally had to be placed on the wall and shot from the 120mm mortar, as in the DPRK.
              3. Felix200970
                +2
                9 December 2013 20: 22
                Quote: Canep
                the judge wrote a decision right in the hospital, the child needed an urgent blood transfusion, and his parents didn’t. These parents were deprived of the trailer by 2 more children.

                Beauties. Rare case
            2. kaktus
              +1
              9 December 2013 16: 31
              this is according to the old, that is, Soviet, legislation. And nefig change it at the direction of some euro there. Yes
          2. +3
            9 December 2013 09: 40
            Responsibly, I can say that the orphanage in the Chukotka Autonomous Region (he is alone there) spent per month on a child from 80t if I am not mistaken in 2009. And this figure is growing, children are provided with everything, and this is Chukotka, with unrealistic costs for a communal apartment, food, etc. and tp ... And they were violations there, but what are spent in other regions, guess.

            Money for apartments, and allowances for adulthood have nothing to do with the maintenance of orphanages, they are paid by social services (departments) directly to children. But whether they get and where they go ... I saw a bunch of times how the graduates themselves stupidly squandered them for the evening (benefits, apartments are issued for the graduate, they do not have access to money).
            1. +1
              9 December 2013 10: 18
              And why children and the orphanage itself will not be transported somewhere closer to civilization, for example, in Khabarovsk? It looks like this orphanage determines the cost of maintaining children throughout Russia.
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      2. +1
        9 December 2013 20: 58
        "This, of course, is cheaper than 60-200 thousand rubles a month for the maintenance of one child in an orphanage. But it is incomparably more expensive than government assistance to a specific family with children."

        If the adoptive parent gave such money, then there would be no orphans.
    2. Vitlek
      0
      9 December 2013 14: 16
      LDPR - JUDAH. (based on the results of the elections in Bryansk)
    3. Hudo
      +2
      9 December 2013 14: 42
      Quote: Canep
      And in order to wrest him from his mother’s bosom, such fascism has not yet been practiced.
      About this it is necessary to tell the EuroMaydans at the rally, let them think where they are breaking.

      It makes no sense, there only a lobotomy can help.
    4. Felix200970
      +1
      9 December 2013 20: 20
      Quote: Canep
      About this it is necessary to tell the EuroMaydans at the rally, let them think where they are breaking.

      It is not necessary at the rally. Immediately, as part of an experiment on the European integration of legislation, take away children, homes and force them to pay alimony as in gayrope. Well, you can even catch up to practice sodomy and bestiality on them. In geyrope, that's okay. And so it will be clear. And it is understandable even for those who are confused in words of foreign origin. By the way, your proposers from the State Duma can also, so to speak, "within the framework of the experiment" so that they do not offer to others until they try on their own skin am (I'm kind of today, probably Monday)
  2. Valery Neonov
    +4
    9 December 2013 07: 50
    I really disagree with that,what "Our country is sick",a sick state and people leading it, "lawmakers" inclusiveis yes! That will be right!
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    3. +2
      9 December 2013 20: 54
      With such bills and proposals, the deputies demonstrate at what distance are the interests of the ruling "elite" and the common people, and how well they know the life of people whose interests they are obliged to protect!
  3. +3
    9 December 2013 07: 50
    The main thing here is money, everything else is a screen, and how it looks like Norway !!! I did not expect this from Russia
    1. +5
      9 December 2013 13: 00
      saag "I did not expect this from Russia"
      ---------------------------------------------
      And why are you surprised, because KUKLOVODY are the same: Rockefellers, Dupons, Morgan ...
  4. 0
    9 December 2013 07: 52
    where are we going? !!!
    1. +5
      9 December 2013 15: 17
      Quote: Letnab
      where are we going? !!!

      That's where ...
      In 1958, Huxley collected a series of essays that he had written for Newsday, and published a book entitled Return to a Beautiful New World. In this work, he described a society in which the main goal of rulers was to avoid, at all costs, their subordinates creating problems. He described what he might have foreseen in the future: “A fully organized society [...], the abolition of freedom of choice through systematic imposition of behavior, established slavery that is accepted through regular chemical injections of doses of happiness ...” He predicted that democracy would change its essence: old and strange traditions (elections, parliaments, supreme courts) will remain, but non-violent totalitarianism will be the basis. They will constantly talk about democracy and freedom on television and write in the press. But these will be nothing more than words, empty in meaning and formal in content. At this time, the ruling oligarchy and its well-trained elite units of soldiers, policemen, manufacturers of thoughts and manipulators of consciousness will rule the world at their own discretion. In fact, this characteristic of Huxley is great for describing today's situation.
  5. makarov
    +1
    9 December 2013 07: 55
    The author has much more convincing materials against pederasty and homosexuals. And the problem of children ... probably the demand is primarily from the parents, and only then from the state ... If you sow spoiled grain, then the harvest will be shitty, if the parents are junkies and "aliks", then their seed is so useless, and what of it can be good ??? Klim Chugunkin, and no more.
    1. +3
      9 December 2013 21: 00
      You can’t see any real state assistance in support of the family, there is no work, no housing, the prospects are hopeless. And the children suffer in the first place!
  6. +6
    9 December 2013 07: 58
    It's good that the west is more "advanced" in juvenile games. Looking at them, we are. hopefully we will shudder and play back.
    1. +3
      9 December 2013 17: 20
      Quote: FC Skif
      we. I hope, startle, and play back.
      Do you really believe that?
  7. Owl
    +9
    9 December 2013 08: 05
    The worst enemy is an enemy living in the same country as you, seizing power and despising everyone below him in rank.
  8. -3
    9 December 2013 08: 12
    "SE's CHEF LOST! Guys know everything in comparison, I think, yes there is a problem, after a while a person will appear who will solve it, if there are such people on the site - go ahead, my moral support for them. But I just feel that somewhere this lady is going too far.
    1. ReifA
      +4
      9 December 2013 08: 46
      "But I just feel that somewhere this lady is going too far."
      I advise you to familiarize yourself with the materials of the antibab forum in the sections of the "Ask Mason" part of the forum. You will understand that even without what is written above, the situation is not so hot in the country, in terms of paternity. And if, God forbid, you come across in life with trusteeship and other state structures - there will be no time to write here.
    2. -1
      9 December 2013 09: 43
      Guys, everything is known by comparison, I think, yes there is a problem, after some time a person will appear who will solve it,
      Nothing will appear and decide. Well, Christ appeared and what decided everything? Only much later did his students decide something and then not in that volume.
    3. Vitlek
      +4
      9 December 2013 14: 18
      When your child is taken away from you, then you will understand who "
      bends "
  9. 0
    9 December 2013 08: 27
    So, the legislators create special laws, with non-prescribed key concepts and undisclosed cause-and-effect relationships, allowing, if necessary, to operate with them in the manner of a "gadget": "Watch your hands."

    Lord, how right K. Chapek was: One of the greatest calamities of civilization is a scientist.
    1. +2
      9 December 2013 13: 22
      We'll have to repeat the censorship as in Schweik: Everything is good only overcomes with the rash (crossed out by censorship)
      Chapek used "scientist ... cancer"
  10. +3
    9 December 2013 08: 50
    Why must they adopt? And adopt foreigners? Why are the orphanages bad? My older brother married a girl from an orphanage. There were children, then grandchildren, and now a great-granddaughter.
    And the current liberal-baulloid power would only be beaten up grandmas, no matter how.
  11. -3
    9 December 2013 08: 50
    Putin about juvinalka at a congress of mothers.

  12. +5
    9 December 2013 08: 52
    If the parents are drug addicts or alcoholics, this is one thing, but it seems to me that they are only hiding behind this. Cases involving the seizure of children in the west also show the other side of juvenile justice. The collapse of the institution of the family ... I have two boys. This will not affect me, but the younger generation live in it, and I do not like it.
    1. kaktus
      0
      9 December 2013 16: 41
      It will not concern me

      Give something to God!
  13. +5
    9 December 2013 09: 01
    Having moved away in 91 from the principle of "man to man is a friend, comrade and brother" we inevitably move to the principle "man to man is a wolf". Those who advocate "European" values ​​lead us to the idea that children are a commodity. Well, but "money-commodity-money" is a well-known formula.
    The stupidity of some deputies is at the hearing of everyone. At a minimum, according to such proposed laws, the deputies themselves must be checked. And it turns out that they pay little time to their children. Therefore, select with all fines and payments.
    "... the adoption of Russian orphans in Sweden, terminated after the adoption of a law prohibiting the adoption of Russian children in countries where same-sex marriage is legalized, can be renewed.
    By the way, in Sweden the procedure of “re-adoption” is allowed, that is, the transfer of an orphan as a thing to an infinite number of “parents”. "

    It seems that there are many ... owls in the Duma. By the way, this article is a good reason to think about how harmless those who are fond of "colored" joys are.
    1. Yarosvet
      +7
      9 December 2013 12: 09
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      It seems that there are a lot of owls in the Duma.
      1. +2
        9 December 2013 17: 12
        Premonition did not deceive
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  15. shpuntik
    +7
    9 December 2013 09: 26
    ... and, like in a fairy tale, showered, turned into dust drug cartels, drug propaganda in the media, in advertising, movies and on TV, on the Internet, in pop culture ...


    Previously, KVN was more chaste. Now all the humor is about below the navel. In all seriousness, they tell anecdotes that, on the street before, unintelligent children indulged in. These "Ernstov" must be driven away from television. They say in response: "And our children do not drink, do not use drugs, study well." The subtext is: "And you goyim, see for yourself."
    The drug is walking around the country, swill-flood, so let the GDP that he wants to say, say, this is one thing, to do is completely different.
    Now who the hell will help, the main thing is to remove the phone. And these are the children of those who were brought up in the Union. Paradox?
    1. +1
      9 December 2013 15: 24
      Read Vorobevsky or Estulin there everything is described in detail about music, debauchery, drugs. These technologies were tested by Western youth in the 70s of the XX century.
    2. +1
      9 December 2013 19: 48
      And this is the future mother)) is not surprising.
  16. +2
    9 December 2013 09: 30
    It's just some zvizdets ... no other words ...
    1. +5
      9 December 2013 10: 43
      Quote: artifox
      no other words ...

      There is! Few, but there are. One of them SSSSUUUUUUUKUIIIIIIII !!!!
      What are these SSSUUUUKI!
      Who just starts cubing on the topic "And in what cases to PICK up and how to do it EFFECTIVELY". Did they hatch out of the test tube themselves, or were they raised by the same FEMALES? No? Not sure after everything I've read .....

      What a difficult subject to understand .... Eeeeeh .....


      1. VADEL
        +2
        9 December 2013 21: 53
        Support for all 100! Well said!good good good hi
  17. +1
    9 December 2013 09: 36
    Quote: shpuntik
    Now who the hell will help, the main thing is to remove the phone.

    Mobile phones must be prohibited :-) They block the person, the main thing is to remove and put it on the network, they knock on you, giving out your location and your data, the provider equipment with their help listens to you and knocks at one well-known office
    1. +3
      9 December 2013 09: 47
      quote-It seems that the world in its madness no longer has a chance to stop: in England, the social services of Essex County forcibly subjected a pregnant woman (by the way, an Italian citizen who arrived on a business trip) to cesarean section and took her child.

      The Italian government and parliament were bogged down in squabbles and troubles, although they had to intervene in this situation.
      1. shpuntik
        +2
        9 December 2013 11: 20
        Apollon AZ Today, 09:47 AM ↑ New
        The Italian government and parliament were bogged down in squabbles and troubles, although they had to intervene in this situation.

        Italy, Venice, the British Isles are one and the same. Rome, Vatican-homeland of refined perversions. Take the same castration of boys for the sake of singing.
        Well, there is a Masonic lodge. They are not up to such trifles.

        1. shpuntik
          0
          9 December 2013 12: 32
          shpuntik RU Today, 11:20 ↑

          These "girls with a jaguar" clung to, fasting by themselves: I deleted two comments because of them. There has never been such a joke. request
          In my opinion this is called a dupe?
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    4. shpuntik
      +3
      9 December 2013 11: 56
      saag Today, 09:36 New
      Mobile phones must be banned :-)

      Yes of course. And with them to ban knives and axes are tools of 80% of domestic murders.
      It is about changing social norms, about the results of the harmless program "I always take a video camera with me." What does the surveillance have to do with it? [Media = http: //trinixy.ru/pics4/20090609/video/piter.flv]
    5. +1
      9 December 2013 17: 24
      Quote: saag
      giving out your location and your data
      Those who need it, and without phones know everything about us.
  18. +3
    9 December 2013 10: 07
    Talking about normal children's legislation in the West is not possible. The permission to adopt children to homosexual couples, the registration of such couples suggests that the legislative roof of Western politicians has finally moved down ... Russian lawmakers in the field of protecting the rights of the child they don’t think about the fate of children at all. All their activities are aimed at further robbing the disenfranchised Russian people.
  19. +10
    9 December 2013 10: 14
    Yesterday I came home from work, my son is watching a cartoon on STS "Ronal the Barbarian". He turned off the fucking TV and told his wife that he didn’t control what his five-year-old son was watching. This is some kind of ... we cannot instill our gay culture, so they begin to introduce our children. There are men in sado-maso suits, with bare asses, in general, outright debauchery and gomosyatina with bl ... vom is shown in childhood. am
    1. +4
      9 December 2013 18: 44
      For fun, I googled the pictures from the cartoon. This is really some kind of ..., and it is precisely this word that is decent not to pick up. It’s good that I cabled tear athep, go state. canals, but there’s nothing to watch, which’s good, although it’s worn in the yard, the snow has fallen, the whole house has been covered up with its snowballs.
    2. VADEL
      +2
      9 December 2013 22: 22
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Gentlemen, deputies and officials, I’m tired of feeding you!

      Why "sherry" do you need this thought? They push SUCH laws that they do not even pull on the PPP (Half-Finger-Ceiling). Well, if you dispersed the bottom, they would put a couple of ambulances with sets of straitjackets. Let the laws be written alongside the Napoleons, Einsteins, etc. It would be easier for us to live. hi
    3. VADEL
      +1
      9 December 2013 22: 42
      Mine is also 5 years old, but my wife and I have seen this cartoon earlier. The two of us laughed and added a "black list". So during the show on STS on Saturday at 21-00 the TV set was turned off. But on Sunday they show about the curse already at 19-00, my son went to another room, looked at the age limit of 16+ and this even though they turned on "PI" several times. I remembered how "Well, wait a minute" was banned. Madhouse.
    4. 0
      10 December 2013 06: 45
      So it's kind of a cartoon for adults. The truth is not clear why it is not shown at night.
  20. +3
    9 December 2013 10: 24
    The key, in my opinion, place in the article:
    The West shows us a picture of global dehumanization, but it would be suicidal to calm down with the fact that we have a different path. Alas, this is not entirely true. Another way is our desire. But in reality we are only one step behind . And we have a whole detachment of guides who are vigilantly watching so that we do not stray from the intended course. To go next.

    And the reassuring assurances of the Lord from the video cited by Boris55
    Putin about juvinalka at a congress of mothers.
    should not mislead us. These are just words, and in the Duma LAWS are considered and LAWS are adopted. In real practice, we will not deal with the words of the GDP about how everything will be right, but with an official who will be guided not by Putin’s general assurances, but by laws adopted by the Duma.
    1. +4
      9 December 2013 15: 30
      While this "gentleman" broadcasts patriotic speeches and behaves like a guy-shirt, those who really influence decisions are promoting the necessary laws, slowing down the initiatives the country needs. Tomorrow there will be no "master" and the majority will be left alone with the atypical system, which was created for soothing speeches.
    2. kaktus
      0
      9 December 2013 16: 45
      In general, the President (a position with a capital letter) has a veto. And in particular?
  21. calocha
    +5
    9 December 2013 10: 29
    THE BEAST raises its head! We need the mobilization of society.
  22. +4
    9 December 2013 10: 44
    Blind copying of import laws is another confirmation of the extremely low professionalism of the government and deputies. There is no mind, no knowledge. It's easier to write off. Remember the school? Writing "blueprint" laws without taking into account national characteristics, mentality, economic and political peculiarities of Russia is a time bomb. Sooner or later it will work.
    But for the children you need to fight, gnaw the throats of these nouveau riches. Without children, we have no future. I have already raised my children. But the grandchildren are anxious, and I have four of them.
    1. 0
      9 December 2013 17: 26
      Quote: vlbelugin
      Blueprint Laws Writing
      In my opinion, the government has been successfully dealing with this since 1991.
  23. olviko
    +5
    9 December 2013 11: 21
    Not by will, you begin to believe in all sorts of conspiracy theories. See what happens. Liberal values. if this goes on, they are essentially aimed at destroying the native Europeans, at suppressing the European clan. A traditional family is being destroyed, pederasts and lesbians are no longer allowing normal people to pass. Europe has been flooded with immigrant immigrants from Asia and Africa, with interracial incest being encouraged. Under the pretext of combating tobacco use, drug addiction is being undermined by the health of the population with artificial foods, especially genetically modified, etc. The same infection has now spread to Russia. It seems that someone has set the task of pursuing a policy of genocide of European peoples, including Russia
  24. +1
    9 December 2013 11: 34
    fortunately, not all draft laws in our Duma pass ...
  25. sasska
    +3
    9 December 2013 12: 00
    Quote: Anatolich
    Yesterday I came home from work, my son is watching a cartoon on STS "Ronal the Barbarian". He turned off the fucking TV and told his wife that he didn’t control what his five-year-old son was watching. This is some kind of ... we cannot instill our gay culture, so they begin to introduce our children. There are men in sado-maso suits, with bare asses, in general, outright debauchery and gomosyatina with bl ... vom is shown in childhood. am

    and you look again what clips before computer games have appeared - in general you will become fooled! not a promo, but a pure advertisement of a homosexual. for obvious reasons, I’m not posting the video itself - the seeker in YouTube will find it.
    1. 0
      9 December 2013 17: 27
      Cho for the game?
      1. +2
        9 December 2013 18: 48
        I am embarrassed to ask, for what purpose are you interested?
        laughing
        1. 0
          10 December 2013 06: 41
          It's just that I often play games, but I hear about homosexuals for the first time. Except for some cheap trash project, about which no one had heard.
          1. 0
            10 December 2013 09: 18
            Yes, I just joked wink . And about homosexuality - in the Mass Effect there is something like that, but on the female side, as Lukashenko said - I do not blame them. laughing
    2. 0
      10 December 2013 13: 33
      By the way, the cartoon is very funny, but obviously not for children - from the age of 15 there should be a minimum limit (humor is far from childish there).
  26. Peaceful military
    +4
    9 December 2013 13: 02
    The liberal Sabbath continues and nothing indicates that it is someone who is ready to stop.
  27. +3
    9 December 2013 14: 58
    On December 5, 2013, Vitaliy Zolochevsky, a member of the State Duma’s committee on public associations and religious organizations, and a deputy from the LDPR, introduced Bill No. 401490-6 “On Amendments to the Family Code of the Russian Federation,” which stipulates that children of divorced parents will be able to receive 15 thousand rubles monthly.

    I propose to adopt a law on recovery from deputies and state. employees, when bringing them to criminal liability for corruption offenses and dismissal in connection with the loss of confidence, to recover from them the amounts received by them as salaries for the entire period of office. We’ll fix the budget and increase responsibility.
    1. st.lt
      0
      10 December 2013 18: 54
      and the amount of bribes received
  28. +3
    9 December 2013 16: 18
    God, what a trash ruled by holy Russia! No, now just soak them, as the Guarantor of the Constitution says, and not only "in the toilet!" Are you completely crazy? President, where are your actions to protect your own people? Well, how long will we tolerate liberal scum?
    1. Yarosvet
      +3
      9 December 2013 16: 27
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Well, how long will we tolerate this liberal scum?

      As long as we put up with this president
    2. +3
      9 December 2013 17: 28
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      soak them, as the Guarantor of the Constitution says, and not only "in the toilet"
      the guarantor of the Constitution jumps, that he himself, in the same place, in the toilet ... And rightly so.
    3. +2
      10 December 2013 00: 25
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      God, what a trash ruled by holy Russia! No, now just soak them, as the Guarantor of the Constitution says, and not only "in the toilet!" Are you completely crazy? President, where are your actions to protect your own people? Well, how long will we tolerate liberal scum?

      ......
      kartalovkolya RU December 8, 2013 17:12 | Theory of Impossibility. Why government decrees are unbearable for the government

      ..... Now only the lazy does not bring down everything on Putin, and frankly a very convenient figure: he will achieve something good, declare merit of the liberal government, but not so at his, at

      .....
      kartalovkolya RU December 8, 2013 09:10 | Theory of Impossibility. Why government decrees are unbearable for the government

      It’s just that evil takes away from the activities of the liberal traitor in the government and the whole trouble is that the liberal gang convinces everyone and everything that there is no one to rule the state except them. in another, but always in power. But is it time for the respected Guarantor of the Constitution to move this gang horizontally, say, to Kolyma.

      ......
      kartalovkolya RU December 5, 2013 15:51 | Arctic "Temp" on Kotelny Island is back in service

      I read the comments and you can see with the naked eye how many trolls and all kinds of rascals, but most importantly, all such experts in military affairs, territorial and other problems. With such "wealth" and in the trash, the death of talents. And Putin is to blame for everything! overcomes by this bacchanal

      ......
      kartalovkolya RU Yesterday, 08:44 | Theory of Impossibility. Why government decrees are unbearable for the government

      I want to notice that there are so many freaks among us who are ready to troll everyone and everything to please the most implacable enemies of the country that you are amazed! And if you tell them about it, there are solid minuses, and all that comes from them is a bunch of abominations and shit. It's time to fight them back. in the "Voennoye Obozreniye" - they are very comfortable here.


      Poor ... poor president!
      He is just a "respected Guarantor of the Constitution," but "what a trash" rules for him.
      Yes, and his supporters ... fool
  29. +6
    9 December 2013 16: 24
    Gentlemen, deputies and officials, I’m tired of feeding you!
    Information for consideration: Chirkova Irina Aleksandrovna (http://www.ldpr29.ru/chirkova.html)
    And what is so weak, Irina Alexandrovna? Can put in jail, or shoot?
    Information for consideration Ryazansky Valery Vladimirovich
    He was born on December 4 1950 of the year at the Manikhino station in the Istra district of the Moscow region.
    In 1974, he graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI) with a degree in Electrical Engineering and Aviation Instrumentation.
    He worked at construction sites of the Krasnoyarsk energy complex, in the aerospace industry.
    In 1976, Mr .. - Director of the campus, chief mechanic, chief engineer of the Moscow Aviation Institute.
    In 1987, Mr .. - Chief Engineer in the tourist and hotel complex Izmailovo.
    In 1990-1999 - General Director of the tourist and hotel complex Izmailovo (ZAO Izmailovo).
    He took an active part in the creation of the All-Russian Political Public Organization “Fatherland” as the head of the regional branch in the Eastern Administrative District of Moscow.
    In 1999-2003 - Deputy of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the third, in 2003-2007. - the fourth, from December 2007, the fifth convocation.
    Deputy of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the third (1999-2003), fourth (2003-2007) and fifth (since December 2007) convocations, member, first deputy head of the United Russia fraction, member of the Presidium of the General Council of the United Russia Party .
    since June 2011 - Representative in the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation from the legislative body of state power of the Kursk region
    Member of the Federation Council Committee on Social Policy and Health
    Mr. Ryazansky here discusses things in which he has no concepts! He is not a professional in this field!
    Valery Vladimirovich, maybe you will be engaged in activities more related to your profession?
    Information for consideration: Zolochevsky Vitaliy Sergeevich.
    Member of the State Duma Committee on Natural Resources, Environmental Management and Ecology.
    Member of the State Duma Commission for Monitoring the Reliability of Information on Incomes, Property and Property Obligations Represented by the State Duma Deputies.
    (http://www.ldpr.ru/#power/State_Duma/deputys/Zolochevskiy_Vitaliy)
    Another “professional” in the field of family law and children's rights!

    Vladimir Petrosyan, whose duties include social protection of people, is engaged in the law on the expropriation of housing, instead of his duties!
    And Mrs. Mizulina has been saying funny things lately. Either her Western homosexuals are completely intellectuals, then the law banning adoption by US citizens and others is criminal and inhuman ...
    I would like to put an end to this, but:
    -How long will such “people's deputies” and officials work against our people?
    -When will professionals finally deal with lawmaking?
    The situation in our state is complicated. And one of the main problems hindering development is the army of deputies and officials!
    It strains the "professional parliament" and the elections on party lists! Professional deputies have been sitting in the Duma for years without leaving their districts! And according to party lists, anyone can crawl into the authorities at all!
    Hence, such pearls of lawmaking come from.
    Apparently there is only one way out: to limit the number of terms of deputies, and go to direct elections of deputies, abandoning party lists. Perhaps then the country will get really working legislative bodies!
    1. kaktus
      +3
      9 December 2013 16: 47
      The draft law on recalling deputies has hovered since 1990. angry
    2. +2
      9 December 2013 19: 54
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      -When will professionals finally deal with lawmaking?

      Taking a nap at a meeting of the dumb, digging into his nose to his heart's content, the next prosthetic-headed lawmaker is overshadowed by the thought - "Isn't there something brilliant to come up with?" This is how it should poke, what would it erupt. And the rest of the thinkers either sleep, or have lead brains, if this "genius" was not nailed immediately fool ... Irrepressible anger seizes when I think about who "runs" the country. angry
  30. +2
    9 December 2013 17: 34
    Hmm, you read such articles, you hear about the next law, which is submitted for consideration by "servants of the people" and any desire to have children in our country disappears. More dear to yourself. Then only the deputies' groaning about the demographic crisis in Russia is incomprehensible, the reasons for which they allegedly cannot find out in any way.
  31. +2
    9 December 2013 19: 38
    After a child is taken away from him instead of his legal social housing, a citizen is either not given anything at all or allocated as much as six meters of living space, and his former housing is improved by the living conditions of other families; the child sent to the orphanage, sometime later, probably, will also be given something.
    fool Trouble. The government has a seasonal brain drain. Quite crazy. They give scammers another option to take housing from citizens, only now the courts will actively help them in this.
    the child sent to the orphanage, sometime later, probably, will also be given something.
    Does anyone believe that? request
  32. +3
    9 December 2013 21: 30
    a juvenile is a terrible thing ... one of the most effective ways of information war against the family, society. Destruction of the family under the guise of fighting for the rights of children ...
    1. +1
      9 December 2013 22: 37
      Quote: Savva30
      a juvenile is a terrible thing ... one of the most effective ways of information war against the family, society. Destruction of the family under the guise of fighting for the rights of children ...

      Yes. But on the other hand wink
      Roskomnadzor banned the Krasnodar Regional Puppet Theater from showing the play “The Magic Flute” to children under 18 years old. Meanwhile, the theater’s website says that the age limit for the puppet show is “6+”.
      At the beginning of December 2013, Roskomnadzor also studied the production of The Inspector General according to Gogol’s text in the Krasnodar Regional Puppet Theater and set the marking “12+” on the performance. It coincided with the one that was determined by the theater itself.
      Insanity grows stronger !!!
      1. Yarosvet
        +6
        9 December 2013 22: 42
        Quote: Was Mammoth
        Insanity grows stronger !!!
        1. +4
          9 December 2013 22: 56
          How did we grow up and not be touched by the psyche? wink Insanity grows stronger wink
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          2. Yarosvet
            +2
            9 December 2013 23: 10
            Quote: Was Mammoth
            How did we grow up and not be touched by the psyche?

            Something like this laughing
            1. +1
              9 December 2013 23: 14
              And a father with an officer belt. And grandfather with salt. wink
        2. 0
          10 December 2013 16: 41
          ABALDET. Is it a thought or a branch of Kashchenko?
          1. st.lt
            +1
            10 December 2013 19: 04
            this is Kashchenko a branch of the State Duma
  33. sasska
    0
    14 December 2013 16: 31
    "Child's play or gay propaganda?"
    The Parents' Committee of Stavropol demanded that the prosecutor's office check the toys in the children's stores of the region for the promotion of homosexuality. The reason for the appeal was the game “Fanta” bought at the Katyusha store. An acquaintance of the family into which this game fell went to the committee and said that he was shocked by such "Fanta" sold to children from 12 years old.



    - There were such tasks as “portray a loving man Rambo”, “portray a date of a same-sex couple”, “kiss each other at the navel at the same time”, “portray a stray sperm,” said Alexander Dzhambatov, lawyer of the Parents' Committee of the Stavropol Territory. - We were very outraged by this situation, about a week ago we wrote an appeal to the prosecutor's office. It is already known that the game was withdrawn from sale from the Katyusha stores.
    Social activists require, firstly, to check all the toys in the Katyusha chain of stores, and secondly, toys in other children's stores in the Stavropol Territory. All items with gay propaganda, according to the Parents' Committee, need to be removed from shelves so as not to spoil children from an early age.
    “The cynicism of the situation is that federal channels show ads of this distribution network while such toys are sold there,” says Alexander Dzhambatov.
    Recall that in June this year, the State Duma adopted a law that provides for administrative fines for gay propaganda among children. For citizens - from 4 to 5 thousand rubles, for officials - from 40 to 50 thousand rubles, for legal entities - from 800 thousand to one million rubles. In addition to monetary punishment, violation of the law may entail the suspension of legal entities for up to 90 days. For the adoption of the law then 436 deputies voted, one abstained. There were no opponents of the document among the deputies.