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Soviet cavalry in the battle for Moscow

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Soviet cavalry in the battle for Moscow

In this publication, I would like to debunk another myth as usual. The fact that the Soviet command plugged "holes" in the defense, cavalry. And the fact that the cavalry played a significant role in the battle for Moscow, solely due to the fact that there were terrible frosts and even agreed to something that the German tanks the towers were freezing.


All this is pseudoscientific nonsense, composed by people ready to discredit everything and everyone. First, let's understand where the wind is blowing or the legs grow. And the wind, as always, blows from our liberal public claiming that Stalin was a cannibal, the Bolsheviks were morons, and cavalry was one of the reasons for the defeat of the Red Army in the first months of the war. But now we know that the number of armored formations was neither inferior to German in any quantity, and some models of tanks, such as the KV, were generally invulnerable to German tanks.

So what was the matter with the cavalry? In the first months of the war, cavalrymen were one of the few, along with the troops of the NKVD, who were able to organize at least some resistance to the enemy in an atmosphere of chaos and general panic.

As in the First World War, the main role of cavalry was forgotten, namely the maneuver war. In the same way, in the first months of the war, Soviet cavalrymen died from mediocre orders and sometimes from criminal inaction.

Literally before the start of the battle for Moscow, six armies were surrounded, these were the Vyazma and Bryansk cauldrons. In his memoirs, Stuchenko, who then commanded 45 kav. division, describes the case when prepared for a breakthrough of cav. The division was stopped by General Lukin at the time of the attack. The division was practically destroyed, Stuchenko himself came out of the encirclement with a group of fighters, but the “commander” Lukin was captured by the Germans and, as far as I know, survived the war safely. The happiness of the cavalrymen themselves was that they were led by people who had absorbed the spirit of this elite kind of troops, who perceived it not as an anachronism, but as a real fighting force. Why has cavalry always been an elite? A cavalryman is always obliged to be with a horse, to look after her, to live by a strict schedule of the day in which there is no place for outsiders. You can not replace the work of the horse, the work on the host. object, it is impossible not to conduct exercises, the horse requires daily, hourly attention, and daily exercises. Riding itself, forcing the rider to always be in excellent sports form. Life with a horse disciplines. Constant training on a horse develop determination and courage in the rider. Therefore, the cavalry units were an order of magnitude superior to the rifle units, in terms of combat stamina and discipline. In his memoirs, Stuchenko writes about the masses of the fleeing ones who also carried away cavalrymen and only the resilience of individual units saved at least somehow the situation.


In the memoirs of the German generals, you will not find derogatory epithets of cavalry. In Halder’s diary, on the contrary, when the word “cavalry” is mentioned, there are notes of anxiety. And not in vain! The Soviet cavalry will do its utmost to make the fate of the Wehrmacht unenviable.

Of particular interest in terms of evaluating the actions of cavalry are the memories of General Belov, who later became the commander of 2 Guards cav. enclosures. The book is called "We are Moscow". In this book, Belov gives, albeit in a somewhat relaxed way, but rather a rather unattractive assessment to the Red Army commanders and the actions of the Stavka.

It is known that, 2 kav. Corps commanded by Belov, had to close another "hole" in the defense of Moscow, namely to defend Kashira. Belov brought his cavalrymen to the city, which was preparing to surrender. Literally in three days, he and his cavalrymen managed not only to defend the city but also to strike, in parts of the 2-th Panzer Army of Guderian. Strike to win. In the memoirs of Belov, all the defects that hit the Red Army are excellent. Namely, not the knowledge of the commanders of the operational situation, not the ability to establish interaction. Belov is to the higher command and he sets himself the task, "can I protect bridges and crossings"? The command which is entrusted to lead the defense of Kashira is in Stupino slowly showing up in battle formations. But the success of such people as Guderian or the same Belov was partly in the fact that they were always directly in the combat formations of their units and knew the operational situation very well. If Stuchenko enthusiastically writes about saber attacks, then Belov considers them an anachronism. According to the talented military commander, the cavalry in the battle for Moscow acted like this, cavalry units attacked, as a rule, on foot and attacked as always, just as it was supposed to, by a scattered or retreating enemy. The main advantage of the equestrians was that they reached the line of attack with the speed of inaccessible infantry, using the folds of the area, flew as close as possible, dismounted, handed horses to the riders, and attacked the enemy. The attack was carried out as follows. Frontal divisions shackled the enemy with fire, mobile squadrons engulfed the enemy from the flanks, and if luck came, they came from the rear. Such tactics helped to take strongholds, the enemy, on his communications. The strikes from the rear by mobile units created panic. . Even the Headquarters was notable for its punctuality, promising to give Belov two rifle brigades, she lost them somewhere. Can you imagine if Hitler had promised von Bock a division and lost it? How realistic is this?


In the course of the battle for Moscow, the role of cavalry emerged, not as some kind of deputy, tank and motorized infantry, but as an independent kind of troops capable of waging a modern maneuvering war. The cavalry, without being tied to the roads, acting at any time of the day, in any terrain, turned out to be much maneuverable, and tank formations and motorized infantry. Yes, somewhere in Europe with their Liliput distances and an extensive road network, the motorized infantry will show its speed and shock power. But here in the vast expanses, in the mudslide, among the fields and forests, the cavalry had no equal. By the way, the climate during the Moscow battle was not so cruel. In the memoirs of Belov, it is said both about thaws and not too severe frosts. The cavalry impacted on the fact that it will be relevant in the conditions of modern global wars. Cavalry does not need fuel, often cavalry can go to grass and fodder, you can always get in the countryside. Motorized divisions often became the victim of horsemen, precisely when they ran out of fuel.

Belov's cavalry actually defeated Guderian’s 2 tank army without any numerical superiority or advantage in heavy weapons. Literally by force, Belov forces the pilots to cover him from the air. The rest of the time, his equestrians operate only at night.

At the same time, in the western direction of the cav. Dovator's corps, led heavy defensive battles, trying to somehow pin down the enemy forces. One of the most dramatic events in stories This corps turned out to be a battle near the villages of Sheludkovo and Fedyakovo, a unit of the 34 Armavir regiment, its 4 squadron. The day before the battle, in this place a tank battle of the tank crews of Kataukov took place, with the Germans, the field near the village was covered with the skeletons of burnt tanks. It was there that occupied the defense of the 4 squadron, under the command of junior political instructor Mikhail Ilyenko. The battle began on November 18, when 10 tanks moved to the squadron position, with the support of the infantry. Cossacks armed only rifle weapons, and grenades, began to cut off the infantry. He earned only one in the squadron machine gun. German tanks passing by the burnt wrecks, were amazed by the bottles and grenades. Having lost six tanks, the enemy retreated. The next attack was already involving 12 tanks, but then five T-34 tanks unexpectedly jumped out, and already seven burning vehicles remained on the battlefield. Tankers helped the Cossacks, but left. A squadron remained in position. Ilyenko was injured. The ranks of the Cossacks thinned out, but the squadron did not give up their positions. With the order to move away, the advance officer was sent, but the sniper's bullet cut him off along the way. When the order to withdraw was delivered, there was no one to transmit it. The entire squadron died the death of the brave, to the last man, without betraying the Cossack honor and not changing the oath.

The bet appreciated the actions of cavalrymen in the Moscow battle. All kav. units involved in the battle received the title of the Guard.

And detailed information can be obtained on the Internet.

Of course, in one publication it is impossible to reflect all that cavalry could do in the battle for Moscow, but the most important thing happened, the cavalry asserted itself as an independent branch of the military, capable of performing miracles in skilled hands.
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  1. Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 9 December 2013 08: 35
    +7
    You can still recall Lev Mikhailovich Dovator.
  2. Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 9 December 2013 08: 38
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    You can still recall General Dovator Lev Mikhailovich, he died near Moscow.
  3. hummel83
    hummel83 9 December 2013 09: 17
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    About the actions of the cavalry, you can watch the film of their series "Liberators. Cavalry" - everything is well told there. In principle, photographs of cavalrymen with checkers look archaic for the Second World War. But here the point is that a checker is like an attribute of a form, like a dagger for a naval officer. Many of them have never used them, and those who used them did it during raids in the rear when attacking enemy batteries or guarding warehouses, etc. - those were mainly armed only with rifles - so the confrontation was like in the 1st World War. And so they fought on foot, they tried to use the cavalry only for the offensive, counterattacks if on the defensive (to drive the cavalrymen into the trenches is not right;))
    Secondly, the cavalry units were saturated by machine guns (carts from the civilian :)), which, in addition to the maxims, also added the DShK. It was also artillery, first and foremost a military artillery station - therefore, they were not unarmed against tanks - while according to the state, if the infantry 45 was to pull one or two horses (often it could be nags), then in the cavalry -4 , and 76 mm gun - 6. Therefore, the speed of transfer of these compounds was impressive, and there was the possibility of movement in difficult terrain - swamp forests
    1. anip
      anip 9 December 2013 17: 20
      +6
      Correctly Ali, he himself wanted to write something like that, otherwise for some reason they think (you see, liberal myths are strong) that cavalry is only horses and, they say, "on tanks with sabers bald." And one has only to google the staff and standard armament of the cavalry units, so there you can see automatic weapons, and anti-tank artillery, and much more.
      Not for nothing that the Germans in the second half of the war also began to create cavalry units.
  4. bairat
    bairat 9 December 2013 09: 22
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    In this publication, I would like to debunk another myth as usual. About the fact that the Soviet command plugged the "holes" in the defense with cavalry.

    Why is this a myth? Holes were plugged, I see nothing shameful in this. In the fall of the 41st large tank formations remained, the cavalry became the only maneuverable type of troops, only they could make a night 100-kilometer march and eliminate the enemy’s breakthrough.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 9 December 2013 09: 30
      +8
      Quote: bairat
      only they could make a night 100-kilometer march and eliminate the enemy’s breakthrough.

      The cavalry could hardly have liquidated the breakthrough under the conditions of the Second World War, but sabotage raids on the enemy’s rear - this was its element.
      1. bairat
        bairat 9 December 2013 09: 50
        +7
        Well, let’s not a breakthrough, let’s liquidate the crisis, create a new line of defense — in fact, this is all the same a plugging of holes.
        Since the Battle of Stalingrad, the element of cavalry has been an introduction to the breakthrough and the formation of the external front of the encirclement.
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      3. hummel83
        hummel83 9 December 2013 11: 09
        +4
        That's right, they tried to use it, but life forced. Yes, and tanks are also weapons of attack, and not in order to bury them in caponiers))), but when a breakthrough of motorized moving parts occurs, in order to have time to plug it use the same moving units. It looked something like this - a quick transition, occupation of a village’s thread on the path of the enemy that erupted, guns deploy guns on the move, cavalry arrows dismount and occupy the defenses (as was written in the article about Ilyenko’s squadron), the breeders take the horses to cover. The cavalrymen who occupied the defense restrain the enemy until the infantry is pulled up.
      4. Sosland
        Sosland 9 December 2013 11: 33
        +4
        Yes, I agree with you, the role of horse-mechanized groups consisted in breaking through and entering the enemy’s operational rear with a subsequent raid on the rear. In the conditions of that war, the violation of logistics and communications affected the results of the general operation.
  5. hummel83
    hummel83 9 December 2013 09: 53
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    "But now we know that the number of armored formations was not inferior in quantity or quality to the German ones, and some tank models, such as the KV, were generally invulnerable to German tanks." - the quantity was definitely not inferior, but the quality ... If we compare what we like to do - mobility, maintainability, gun caliber and armor thickness - it exceeded. But at the same time, it lost in all respects in the tactics of using tank formations. What is rarely mentioned in the comparison of German tanks with ours, what was their advantage over our troops, why were they able to reach Moscow and could fight with our T-34s losing in maneuverability, armor, and cannon power?
    1) The Germans had a clear division of duties in the crew — the commander was freed from everything and only led the battle, for this the German tanks still had a commander’s turret with a good overview. (Before T34-85, the commander was also a gunner.
    2) The command and control system is communications; the Germans at the beginning of the war already had walkie-talkies everywhere in every tank.
    3) Interaction with other branches of the armed forces - artillery and aviation - was debugged as a single organism, there was the possibility of prompt intelligence from air reconnaissance, etc.
    4) The Germans generally tried not to fight their tanks against ours - for this they had a military aviation, and aviation. etc. Tanks they preferred to crush the infantry, and breaking into the rear (and motorized infantry - panzergrenadery cleaned up what was left) -in this their tanks were very good. We imposed tank battles on them - and they had to change their tanks and tactics - we imposed them on them
    Now about General Belov. "Belov in this book gives, albeit in a somewhat softened form, but rather unpleasant assessment of both the commanders of the Red Army and the actions of the Headquarters ... Belov's corps is sometimes called KMG, a mechanized cavalry group, but according to Belov, the support by armored vehicles was minimal and the tank units attached to him were either in perpetual repair, or, they simply did not reach the indicated lines. "Belov was transferred near Moscow several tank formations (regiment, battalion size) which he safely ditched - he did not know how (in the initial period of the war, then he learned ) use tank formations. They cannot be used on their own without interacting with artillery and infantry (cavalry), sent to poorly explored areas, or organized unprepared attacks with tanks alone - all this leads to unjustified losses. Naturally, General Belov could not write after the war that he, out of ignorance and his still inexperience, broke firewood at the beginning of his combat path - it was better to say that tankers could not fight constantly, and there were stupid orders from the headquarters ... ZY. this does not negate the fact that in the future Belov acted successfully, a tank regiment entered his corps and they interacted as expected
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 9 December 2013 10: 47
      +7
      Quote: hummel83
      If we compare what we like to do — mobility, maintainability, the caliber of the gun and the thickness of the armor — it exceeded. But at the same time, she was losing in all respects according to the tactics of using tank formations. What is rarely mentioned in comparing German tanks with ours, what was their advantage over our troops, why were they able to go to Moscow and could fight with our T-34s, losing in maneuverability, armor, and cannon power?

      All Soviet superiority in tanks in 1941 was leveled by the complete domination of German aviation in the sky.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 9 December 2013 20: 16
      +3
      Quote: hummel83
      the amount was definitely not inferior

      German troops with allies surpassed the Red Army at the beginning of the war one and a half times (approximately) 5.5 million people with Germans with allies in the east, 3.2 million people with the USSR in the west.
      1. atalef
        atalef 9 December 2013 20: 27
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        German troops with allies surpassed the Red Army at the beginning of the war one and a half times (approximately) 5.5 million people with Germans with allies in the east, 3.2 million people with the USSR in the west.

        6 million, the Red Army totaled on 22.06.41 g and this is only in the border districts
        + 10 million - organized reserve
        http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3922&Itemid=28
        Official figures archive MO.
        hi
        1. Kars
          Kars 9 December 2013 20: 42
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          6 million, the Red Army totaled on 22.06.41 g and this is only in the border districts

          And I counted a little less than 3 million on the western and southern theater.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 9 December 2013 22: 57
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          Quote: atalef
          6 million, the Red Army totaled on 22.06.41 g and this is only in the border districts
          + 10 million - organized reserve

          You are talking about what you do not know. It was on the western border of the USSR at the beginning of the war that 5.5 million Wehrmacht fought with the Allies against 3.2 million people in the Red Army. You are adding here the military units that the USSR and Germany had on other theater. In short, people are cheating on this forum.
          1. atalef
            atalef 9 December 2013 23: 46
            +1
            nothing of the kind, we are talking about those districts and military personnel on the western border, I have long noticed that you have a certain problem with reading
      2. Fedya
        Fedya 9 December 2013 22: 29
        -4
        In 1941 alone, 5.5 million were captured! So the number was bigger! And in April of the 45th, the Red Army totaled 10.5 million.
        1. Kars
          Kars 9 December 2013 22: 32
          +4
          Quote: Fedya
          In 1941 alone, 5.5 million were captured!

          of course and another 15 were killed.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 9 December 2013 23: 00
          +1
          Quote: Fedya
          In 1941 alone, 5.5 million were captured! So the number was bigger! And in April of the 45th, the Red Army totaled 10.5 million.

          Where do these numbers come from?
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 9 December 2013 23: 09
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            Where do these numbers come from?

            Exhaustion from the finger. Very informative source. wink
          2. atalef
            atalef 9 December 2013 23: 29
            0
            a link is given for the osoyu dull
            1. Kars
              Kars 9 December 2013 23: 44
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              the link is given, the problem is to go through it

              so on it and counted.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 9 December 2013 23: 56
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              for osoyu lucrative there is a link, the problem is to go through it, and then please practice a rebuttal

              For particularly long-understanding people, I highlighted with a quote to whom the question is addressed, wipe the glasses.
              And what to refute? The source you indicated indicated 2.5 million in the west, which is less than the figure I indicated.
            3. chehywed
              chehywed 10 December 2013 00: 02
              0
              Quote: atalef
              for those who are especially understanding, there’s a link, the problem is to go through it, and then please practice a refutation,

              atalef, You refuted yourself by your reference ...
              According to the table given by you on a western theater at 22.06.41, the Red Army has only 2527003 people ... Or are you sure that parts of the internal, southern, Far Eastern districts and RGKs could be brought into battle in the first week of the war? Even if it were possible, the Wehrmacht, even without allies, would still be larger in number, on 22 of June 1941 of the year - 7 234 000 people, of which about 5 500 000 in the East.
            4. loft79
              loft79 10 December 2013 00: 04
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              for osoyu lucrative there is a link, the problem is to go through it, and then please practice a rebuttal

              The link contradicts your own words. You didn’t count something there.
              Here is the screen, we think.
  6. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 9 December 2013 10: 03
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    In November 1942, during the Battle of Stalingrad, one of the last cases of combat use of cavalry in an equestrian system took place. The 4th Cavalry Corps of the Red Army, formed in Central Asia, participated in this event (While on the Stalingrad Front, in November 1942, the corps consisted of the 61st and 81st Cavalry Divisions. 60% of the personnel from Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens.) and until September 1942 he carried out occupation service in Iran.
    The corps was commanded by Lieutenant General Timofei Timofeevich Shapkin. In the civil war, Shapkin poddesaul fought on the side of the whites and, commanding the Cossack hundred, participated in the raid of Mamontov on the red rear. After the defeat of the Don Army and the conquest of the Don Army area by the Bolsheviks, in March 1920 Shapkin with his Cossacks transferred to the Red Army to participate in the Soviet-Polish war. During this war, he grew from a commander of a hundred to a brigade commander and deserved two orders of the Red Banner. In 1921, after the death of the famous commander of the 14th cavalry division Alexander Parkhomenko in the battle with the Makhnovists, he took command of his division. Shapkin received the third Order of the Red Banner for battles with the Basmachi. Shapkin, who wore a twisted mustache, the ancestors of the present migrant workers mistook Budyonny, and one of his appearance in some village caused panic among the Basmachis of the whole district. For the liquidation of the last Basmachi gang and the capture of the organizer of the Basmach movement, Imbrahim-Bek Shapkin was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor of the Tajik SSR.
    Despite the white officer's past, Shapkin was accepted into the ranks of the CPSU (B.) In 1938, and in 1940, the commander Shapkin was given the rank of lieutenant general.
    4-th cavalcourse was to participate in the breakthrough of the Romanian defense south of Stalingrad.
    Initially it was assumed that horse breeders, as usual, would take horses to shelter, and cavalry on foot would attack the Romanian trenches. However, the artillery preparation had such an effect on the Romanians that immediately after it ended, the Romanians got out of the dugouts and ran in the panic to the rear.
    It was then that it was decided to pursue the running Romanians in horse riding.
    The Romanians managed not only to catch up, but also to overtake. Two corps divisions - 81st and 61st - covered them on the right and on the left, and a real meat grinder began - three Romanian regiments were chopped up in full force. The losses of the corps were compared with the scanty results achieved: the 81st division lost 10 people killed and 13 wounded, 61st - 17 people killed and 21 wounded.
    Without encountering resistance, the cavalrymen took the Abganerovo station, where large trophies were captured: more than 100 guns, warehouses with food, fuel and ammunition.
    After the liberation of the Abganerovo station, the advanced units of the 4th cavalry corps of Shapkin rapidly developed an attack on the large settlement of Kotelnikovo and the station of the same name. When half of Kotelnikovo was already occupied by cavalry, Field Marshal Manstein, fearing the loss of this important point, found additional forces and threw them into a counterattack. Under the onslaught of superior motorized forces of the enemy and without the support of other units, Shapkin's cavalrymen were forced to retreat. And the 81st division, which was at the forefront, was surrounded. In this difficult situation, Commander Shapkin independently takes a risky and responsible decision: by the forces of the corps to free his encircled division and save people. And he succeeded. With nightfall, the earth buzzed beneath thousands of hooves. The Germans did not expect such a swift, powerful attack. They did not even have time to come to their senses, as their ring of encirclement was crumpled and torn and the division, which they were going to destroy or capture, was withdrawn from the encirclement.
    Then the Shapkin corps took part in the liberation of Rostov and Novocherkassk. March 22, 1943 57-year-old General Shapkin died of a stroke.
    1. hummel83
      hummel83 9 December 2013 10: 57
      0
      Yes, I’ve talked about such cases - but this is rather an exception to the rule.
  7. Kazakh
    Kazakh 9 December 2013 10: 08
    +5
    A good article, the only author idealizes a little about the autonomy of the equestrian unit
    Cavalry does not need fuel, often cavalry can go on pasture, and fodder can always be obtained in rural areas.
    in wartime it’s not so easy to feed a horse; otherwise everything is true +
  8. avt
    avt 9 December 2013 10: 38
    +4
    Quote: Kazakh
    Good article

    Yes, I agree. Only one point needs to be clarified - but the "commander" Lukin was captured by the Germans and, as far as I know, survived the war safely. "--- If memory serves, Lukin was captured after the Battle of Smolensk, lost leg and really spent the war in captivity.After being released and checked, when they were sorted out according to the principle of who as one of the senior officers led in captivity, and of course how he got there, he was received in the Kremlin by Stalin {according to his recollections, when they were taken across Moscow, they thought about Lubyanka, and the car turned into the Kremlin} and he was told that they would not forget what he had done near Smolensk. ”Later, he seemed to be on a teaching job in the army.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 9 December 2013 20: 37
      0
      avt "If memory serves, Lukin was taken prisoner after the Battle of Smolensk, lost his leg and really spent the war in captivity.
      I agree with you, the author somehow pejoratively spoke about General Lukin. This is not a buzz. With your permission I will make a small correction. After the battle of Smolensk, he normally left the encirclement. Withdrew troops.
      At Vyazma he commanded five armies that were surrounded. Stalin did not punish him for the Vyazemskaya catastrophe, he understood the responsibility of Headquarters and the General. headquarters for what happened. In captivity, Lukin behaved with dignity. Hence Stalin's resolution "in the service of obstacles not to fix, to appoint where asked." NOT literally, but something like that. Lukin is a vivid example of a Russian officer who began serving in the First World War. Was in the rank of lieutenant. An interesting fact is that Lukin was awarded the Order of the Battle Red Banner in 1946 and 1947. I read this on the wiki. If so, then Stalin did not just reward.
  9. Bigriver
    Bigriver 9 December 2013 10: 55
    +5
    The publication is a wild amateur and unscrupulous "mess".
    About the fact that the Soviet command plugged the "holes" in the defense with cavalry.

    And the "holes" were plugged and used for counterstrike and raid actions in the operational rear.
    But now we know that the number of armored formations was not inferior to the German either in quantity or quality, and some models of tanks, such as KV, were generally invulnerable to German tanks.

    It is only the author who "knows".
    He obviously believes that the combat effectiveness of mobile units consists solely of the list number of tanks only and the ability of their armor to withstand enemy tanks?
    The main enemy of the tank is not a tank, but a VET. And the quality (combat effectiveness) of compounds is much more difficult to determine.
    In the first months of the war, cavalrymen were one of the few, along with the NKVD troops, who were able to organize at least some resistance to the enemy in an atmosphere of chaos and general panic

    And where did the very battle-ready BT compounds that we just talked about go to? And personnel infantry formations of the first or second echelon, and PTABRs of the first formation? Did they all run home?
    The author does not like liberals, but his mythology is no less delusional.
    the role of cavalry loomed, not as a deputy, tank and motorized infantry formations, but as an independent type of troops capable of waging a modern maneuver war.

    Nothing loomed in the form of an independent kind of troops. With a stretch, it can be argued that they were a kind of substitute for mobile motorized infantry. But, the task force of the same Belov included in the winter of the 41-42th and infantry divisions, and an armored brigade and ski battalions.
    Moreover, she (the task force) ran along the rear with the support of a dense network of partisan detachments and landed landing brigades.
    Summarizing, it can be argued that the first KMGs became the first combat-ready mobile units of the operational level.
    Cavalry does not need fuel, often cavalry can go on pasture, and fodder can always be obtained in rural areas.

    Even if all the tanks in the proto-KMG are lost and do not need fuel, for one or two tens of thousands of horses you need fodder in quantities greater than what a couple of villages can give. So, in fact, Belov’s group received fodder, food and BP with the help of transport aircraft.
    Belov’s cavalry actually defeated the 2 Guderian Panzer Army without any numerical superiority or advantage in heavy weapons

    Someone who has looted the whole TA Guderian? ..
    Harsh guys with checkers?
    I could not read further.
    1. Teacher
      Teacher 9 December 2013 12: 51
      +7
      Following your logic, the Mongol-Tatar cavalry was also dropped by aircraft, otherwise how to feed the horses? The irony about the harsh men with checkers is incomprehensible. My grandfather, who went through the war as part of the 4th Kuban Cossack saber, was masterly, just like all types of small arms and some artillery weapons. Guderian in his memoirs just described the heavy battles of his tank army with Russian cavalrymen south of Moscow, do not believe it, read it. And the great autonomy and mobility of the cavalry is a fact. The same 4th Kuban in 44, being surrounded, unexpectedly broke through to the west, to the rear of the Germans, and without abandoning the wounded, and made a thousand-kilometer raid with battles, joining with his own in Poland. Grandfather said that the fighters were almost nothing. did not eat, slept mostly in saddles, horses lived on pasture. Well, the "Kushchevskaya Attack" showed that sometimes even during the Second World War one could successfully play "checkers".
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 December 2013 12: 57
        +3
        Quote: Teacher
        Following your logic, aviation also dumped the forage for the Mongol-Tatar cavalry, otherwise how to feed the horses?

        Do not compare a cavalry horse, which requires some care and just like that, there will be no grass from under the snow, with a horse of the "Horde" cavalry ...
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 10 December 2013 05: 56
          0
          Quote: svp67
          ... Do not compare a cavalry horse, which requires some care and just like that, there will be no grass from under the snow, with a horse of the "Horde" cavalry ...

          The point here is not only this.
          Horde cavalry could afford the deep deployed rear.
          The leading group cannot afford this. She has no rear. It carries everything with it. She, in fact, is surrounded and always at risk of a blow. Including aviation.
          Therefore, forced to constantly be in motion.
      2. dmb
        dmb 9 December 2013 14: 00
        +7
        Your opponent does not question the heroism of your grandfather and his companions at all. But the author really wrote an article with a hat, than in my opinion, a feat and belittled. Previously, popular comedians Shtepse 'and Tarapunka performed on the stage. (By the way, the last participant in the war and the order bearer). So they had a miniature in which low-quality films about the war were ridiculed: "And in our Wehrmacht and in our Abwehr and in our Gestapo. It is not clear with whom we then fought for 4 years." This is me in the tank army defeated by KMG.
      3. Bigriver
        Bigriver 9 December 2013 14: 54
        +5
        Quote: Teacher
        Following your logic, the Mongol-Tatar cavalry was also dumped by forage ...The irony about the harsh men is incomprehensible. with checkers.

        1. This is not my logic, this is an objective reality in raiding the Belov group.
        2. Irony, if present, is aimed at the knowledge of the author, who claims that a whole tank army was defeated by a military corps.
        Against the tip of the 2nd TA Guderian in the form of the 17th TD (24 TC) near Kashira, in addition to the Belov corps itself, stood our battered remnants of rifle, artillery and tank units and formations: the Katyusha regiment, the remnants of 3 SD, 2 TBR, 1st TD, 2 separate tank battalions, cadet school, OZAD air defense and other artillery units. That is, there was the same proto-KMG under the command of Belov, called the group of forces of the 49th Army.
        Moreover, in a personal conversation between Belov and the IVS, the latter promised him (and allocated later) to strengthen 2 div. tank. battalion and 2 ski teams.
        And finally, please pay attention! Belov’s group did not submit to the army, like a corps, but directly to the front headquarters. Those. we see the operational grouping, and not the clean and naked cavalry corps.
        About "read". I am familiar with Heinz's stupid book twice.
        I recommend that you read Belov himself.
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 10 December 2013 01: 00
          +2
          Bigriver
          as always harsh
          Belov’s cavalry actually defeated the 2 Guderian Panzer Army without any numerical superiority or advantage in heavy weapons

          but these are generally some kind of synthetic pairs from the author.
          a full-fledged 2TG from Belov would have left no spurs or sabers.
          That is, the rest sat idly by, and only one cavalry fought for all? Not a word about those who knocked out tanks on the far approaches to Moscow, not a word about who else participated in those events.
    2. Morgan761
      Morgan761 12 December 2013 02: 26
      0
      Yes ... No words ... I was looking for my grandfather as I remember myself ... I found only an approximate burial place ... Do you guys know what happened there ?! For a day, the departure of the personnel of the regiment was more than 900 (!) People. More than half were missing.
  10. GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 9 December 2013 11: 48
    +2
    Judging by the size, the artist wanted to depict the Soviet anti-tank rifle, a drawing from one American military magazine for 44 years.
    I wonder if this was used in real combat conditions or just as an opportunity?
    1. bairat
      bairat 9 December 2013 13: 28
      +1
      Yeah, it was used, they even shot from the saddle.
      In addition to rifle PTR were in service and cavalry units. For transportation of the PTRD, packs for the cavalry saddle and pack saddle arr. 1937 were used here. The gun was mounted on a pack over a horse’s croup on a metal block with two brackets. The rear bracket could be used as a camel support for firing from a horse at air and ground targets. The shooter stood behind the horse held by the breeder.
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  11. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 December 2013 12: 23
    +4
    Maneuver is everything. Modern combat operations have one common property - they are short. Very short, after a few days of hostilities, it sets in. A financial hangover, so to speak ... Because even counting how much money has been lost is not an ordinary task in itself. But then years and years you need to patch a monstrous hole in the budget, which was struck by three or four combat days.
    So for the relative peace in Eurasia, we should thank not so much new times as old debts ... But we still have to fight. And all these menacingly growling, whistling and rumbling piles of high-strength alloys, plastics and ceramics of that ... will break. In no matter how long the war will have to quickly forget about most military transport systems - to replenish them at the required speed will not succeed.
    But the horses (which in the same German army were more than in the Red Army) - with them everything is much simpler. Another thing is that now they are not there. This in the Patriotic just confiscated them tens of thousands.
  12. stoqn477
    stoqn477 9 December 2013 12: 32
    +3
    Some time ago, in one of the books that I read mention of the status of cavalry before and after 22:06:41 p.m. Until the date indicated, the dissolution of the cavalry corps and divisions and their conversion into mechanical parts. After the attack, as it is written in the book, it mentions cavalry growth due to mechanized and tank units. It is logical that despite the fact that the losses in the initial period are heavy. And the biggest plus of cavalry, according to the author, is that, unlike the mechanized parts of the cavalry lack of fuel supply, it will not cause such a crushing result and it is easier to get out of the environment. According to the author, the cavalry performed at a high level during the war.
  13. kaktus
    kaktus 9 December 2013 18: 02
    0
    Article +, interestingly, new facts, because in a modern city you don’t often see a horse. smile The disadvantages are the incredibly careless handling of punctuation marks. "Comma:" He never put me right! "(" In the Land of Unlearned Lessons ") No.
  14. Sirius-2
    Sirius-2 9 December 2013 18: 31
    +2
    I read the comments and was surprised: no one remembered the spring of 44 in the right-bank Ukraine. In muddy roads, it was the cavalry that moved faster than anyone into a breakthrough. According to a friend of a veteran: "The tanks lay down in the bottom of the slurry, its caterpillars, slurry, knead, but the tank is not moving." It was he who told me, against one well-known advertisement, where the slogan was: “Tanks are not afraid of dirt!”, If anyone remembers that.
  15. xomaNN
    xomaNN 9 December 2013 19: 21
    0
    At least I remember the photo well - several Cossacks in uniform with horses in front of the Reichstag. Those. Perhaps the cavalry of the Red Army did not go to frontal attacks in the second half of the war, but they met Victory "on horseback"!
  16. klim44
    klim44 9 December 2013 19: 26
    0
    but the "commander" Lukin was captured by the Germans and, as far as I know, survived the war safely.
    God grant you the author survive the war safely in enemy captivity. General Lukin was taken seriously wounded, having lost one leg. And what did Comrade write in the report? Stuchenko truth or falsehood? Rather, he blamed everything on Lukin.
  17. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 19: 37
    -2
    In the equestrian system against machine guns, this is cool, for some reason most of all it is a pity for horses.
    1. smile
      smile 9 December 2013 19: 59
      +1
      EdwardTich68
      Well, where did you get this? Or out of habit, sucked from a finger?
      Here's the word of honor - it’s not clear to me what kind of person you are, neither in the article nor in the comments is there a word saying that someone on horseback climbed on machine guns - for one reason - this was not. And the liberal liars did not appear here before you to blather about it ... but here you came with your own pathetic ... admit - you didn’t even read the article, did you? But I really wanted to spit on our story, out of habit ....

      Please prove that our cavalry went on horseback with machine guns .... try to prove that you are not a liar ... although perhaps this is impossible .... unlike horses, you do not mind ... :) )))
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 9 December 2013 20: 19
        +1
        smile "Honestly - I don't understand what kind of person you are - neither in the article, nor in the comments there is not a word that someone in the equestrian ranks climbed on machine guns - for one reason - this was not."
        Do not pay attention ... there are all kinds of Honduras. Just to spoil.
      2. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 20: 31
        -5
        The very use of cavalry units in the 2nd World War is already a crime. You
        all the time you accuse me of some kind of lies. I won’t even give you links, just
        look how many horses were in the army for 41 years, how many millions of horses were put by Mongolia. And you will immediately understand the senselessness of using the methods of war of the 19th century in the 20th.
        1. smile
          smile 9 December 2013 21: 50
          +2
          EdwardTich68
          Yes Yes. That is why the Germans began to acquire the experience of 41 years to urgently increase the number of cavalry units, and formed them until the very end of the war. In vain they didn’t listen to you so clever - if they listened, their stupidity and refusal of horses would save us a lot of blood.

          This statement of yours reveals not only your zero competence in military affairs, but also the fact that instead of at least some information, your head is full of propaganda lies invented by perestroika creators to feed barranas.
          I believe that you do not give links precisely because they are so far from reliable that even you understand it. :))))
          And you don’t know that the Germans used horses, right?
          By the way, and if you look at how many tanks we had at the beginning of the war and how many we lost them, then, based on your logic, it’s clear that the use of the methods of the Hussites in the 15th century is clear (and what a cart with sides, loopholes and light artillery, what is not a prototype of a tank? :))))) and the tank is an archaic?
          Yeah ... with logic, you also have trouble ... my condolences. :)))
          1. EdwardTich68
            EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 22: 09
            -2
            Well, what kind of propaganda lie? Well, let the three of you be on horseback, but I only
            AKM, how long do you jump? Well, let it be MP-40, do you jump for a long time?
            1. smile
              smile 9 December 2013 23: 07
              +2
              EdwardTich68
              Yeahhhh ... you knocked me down with the degree of your competence ... this child’s attempt to compare different troops in such a way to find out the validity of their existence ... didn’t even expect this from you .... But well, let's play by your rules, although it smells of stupidity, but let ...

              So. The three of us on horseback jump to the point that the three of us and you alone dispute. And by the time you appear at the place where we decide to give you a fight (we are the first. Because this question is at our discretion, as in life), we will have time to prepare our positions for defense in the engineering plan, we will dig trenches of the full profile, we’ll eat, we’ll have a rest, yeah, we’ll also bring in some BK and a mortar or a machine gun on pack horses ... and then, you crawl ... with AKM ... continue to tell how you will storm the three of us? :)))

              And if there will be more of you, and we will understand that you will beat us down, we will run away from you on horses, go into the flank and roll up the flank for you like a roll ... by hindering the horses so that they don’t run away ... or in the rear But you never mind what comes to our minds - we’re moving faster than you and we can take more with us ....

              So I hope you understand?
              I repeat, it was not in vain that the Germans had several times more cavalry formations by the end of the war than at the beginning.

              I’m embarrassed to ask, did you even serve in the army? :))))
              And then, I got the impression. what exactly in this matter are you not lying, you just don’t understand the ear or the snout in the subject ... :)))

              A propaganda nonsense, how stupid. but the evil Bolsheviks bombarded the Germans with corpses ... including the method you mentioned.
              1. EdwardTich68
                EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 23: 26
                -3
                A living creature cannot resist the mechanical weapons of murder created by mankind. Knights disappeared with the advent of firearms, cavalry disappeared with the advent of automatic weapons, conscription armies disappear with the advent of nuclear weapons.
                I forgot to add that tank armies disappear with the advent of neutron weapons. Can you send your horses to space?
                1. smile
                  smile 10 December 2013 00: 01
                  +2
                  EdwardTich68
                  Nda ...: (((I must admit, I was even ashamed - it was a sin to swear at you ... earlier I thought you were smart, but not good ... now I see that you ... so to speak, in this matter really ... not far advanced ... :)))

                  My advice to you - do not write about what you really ...... swim in.
                  You’ve mixed up in a bunch of horses, people, mechanical murder weapons, and you managed to sprinkle all this with thick neutron weapons .... :)))
                  1. During the Second World War, the use of cavalry units and especially KMG led to an excellent result, it was completely justified - no one and never anyone who thinks about it, including the Germans, argued with this. By the way, my grandfather from the age of 42 served in the art regiment of the Kuban Cossack division from KMG Pliev.
                  2. There are situations when even now a pack animal is preferable to vehicles (for example, in mountain brigades there must be animals in the state).
                  By the way, non-mechanical weapons of murder do not happen in principle (if you exclude a person who is such an assassin in himself - wherever there is any weapon), and horses can only be compared with vehicles.

                  The statement that the call-up service has completely exhausted itself, and even linked to the presence of nuclear weapons ... :))) Tell this to such backward and impoverished states as Israel, Switzerland, Sweden and Finland, of course, where do they go to Papua New Guinea, which forced the appearance of nuclear weapons to abandon the draft army ... :))))) Even discussing this with you is too lazy ... so you tell me, are you just writing comments here, or do you sometimes read? :)))
                  I recommend reading more than writing, otherwise it turns out Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer ....

                  I leave your pathetic attempt at sarcasm about horses and space unattended and the consequences - it is clear that you are in despair ... I understand and even sympathize with you, therefore, I forgive. :))))
                2. chehywed
                  chehywed 10 December 2013 01: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: EdwardTich68
                  Living creature cannot withstand mechanical tools murders created by humanity. Knights disappeared with the advent of firearms, cavalry disappeared with the advent of automatic weapons ...

                  Did the infantry disappear with the advent of tanks? fool
              2. Teacher
                Teacher 9 December 2013 23: 39
                +3
                It makes no sense to explain the tactics of the battle of the cavalry unit to a person who probably did not serve in the army and was clearly unencumbered by intelligence. Personally, I am sure that small mobile cavalry units are quite applicable in the modern military conflict, especially if it: a) Protracted b) Occurs in large areas and difficult terrain with a lot of natural shelters. I was told that the Chechens used such small groups.
                1. EdwardTich68
                  EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 23: 50
                  -5
                  Even in the 2nd World Cavalry, they didn’t show their best,
                  Now they hardly perform the functions of mounted police in megacities and then
                  horses have to be worn in bulletproof vests even in backward countries they serve
                  in the mountain troops. In developed countries, this function is performed by the "spider" robot, this machine, which will soon become widespread
                  capable of delivering the necessary cargo to the right place without a person, up to 200 kg, taking the wounded out and protecting herself.
                  1. EdwardTich68
                    EdwardTich68 10 December 2013 00: 44
                    0
                    17 kilometers running
                  2. smile
                    smile 10 December 2013 01: 14
                    +3
                    EdwardTich68
                    :))) Oh and the restless you, adnaka .... you see, it is meritorious in a fight where you can take character .... right there when your arguments run over and over again and you don’t know how to justify them, back them up and defend. instead, you’re inventing new ones .... it looks pathetic .... honestly ... :)))
                    Okay, I answer.
                    1. The Caucuses have shown their best side. This is evidenced by both our and German sources, as well as the fact that the Germans, who had encountered our KMG at 41, urgently began to form their own detachments - divisions and brigades. And they continued to do this until the end of the war.

                    2. Nothing better than mounted police to clean up the streets of a city during a riot does not exist in nature. You can’t imagine the psychological impact of the mounted police on the demonstrators. This is probably at the genetic level - one horseman is worse than a pair of armored vehicles, from which we know what to expect ... and anything can be expected from a horse. Did you communicate with an angry horse? I talked ... I must confess that there was no horse from me, but I could handle it poorly and poorly - but I won’t approach an angry horse ... scary. :)))) And if the horse is specially trained - even more so ...
                    3. Sir, I understand that you cannot argue normally - you always dodge and try to take the argument aside, but this is too much ... :))) I remind you that we did not throw cavalry into the Second World War on machine guns and the cavalry was at that time effective. So what kind of allah are you here ... talking about spiders and the modern army? ...
                    By the way, if you already started to tryndet about spiders, then I remind you that now there is not a single army on the planet that would use them ... that's when they start, then we'll talk ... and backward armies use horses where non-retarded they carry luggage on the hump, which is why backward ones in such places get a clear advantage.
                    And the stories that the mechanical spider will protect itself and possess artificial intelligence ...:))) ... more often see commercials of equipment not accepted for service and the Terminator movie ... no, well, the word ... bust ... :)))

                    And can you ask - how old are you? Simply, if you are young, this will be a mitigating circumstance, and I will stop laughing at you and begin to explain.
                2. smile
                  smile 10 December 2013 00: 47
                  +1
                  Teacher
                  I agree with you completely. And Czechs really used horses. And ours would be used. if the horses were and were able to use them. And now, in the formation of mountain brigades, we can only envy the fact that during the times of the USSR, Przhevalsky horses were in mountain formations.
              3. chehywed
                chehywed 10 December 2013 01: 29
                +2
                Quote: EdwardTich68
                Well let you three will be on horseback, and I only
                AKM long you jump? Well let it be MP-40, long you jump?

                smile feel the difference? Edward with AKM is ready to go out against the three, but with MP-40, only bash-on-bash ... and apparently you only have a horse laughing
                The strength of Russian weapons is evident! laughing
                1. smile
                  smile 10 December 2013 01: 58
                  +2
                  chehywed
                  Yep, exactly! I did not pay attention ... :)))) Well, at least the force of Russian weapons is recognized. :)))
                  By the way, I knew one horse - worse than any machine! Clever as a person, he was only much more cunning, he did such petty dirty tricks, I wouldn’t think of it; at the same time he made the face deliberately indifferent, like he had nothing to do with the hoof on his foot (neatly, because he wants to mess and not harm) , or the belly puffed out while tightening the girth completely by accident :))) biting - where the dog was there, as a watchman - he didn’t give in to the dog, he was well aware that he was stronger, but mostly treated condescendingly, especially if he wanted the handout .... went on me, as I wanted :))) one trouble is to take care of it until you use it, and not everyone drinks water. :)))
                  1. chehywed
                    chehywed 10 December 2013 02: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: smile
                    I knew one horse - worse than any machine

                    Well, with that and against the three Edwards with MP-40 you can! laughing
                    Quote: smile
                    rode me as I wanted

                    Apparently, you used it incorrectly. laughing
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 9 December 2013 20: 18
      +2
      EdwardTich68] "In the equestrian ranks against machine guns, it's cool, for some reason the horses are the most pity."
      Did you ride yourself?
    3. Bigriver
      Bigriver 10 December 2013 06: 03
      +1
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      In the equestrian system against machine guns, this is cool, for some reason most of all it is a pity for horses.

      You mistakenly imagine the use of co-joins. This fallacy stems from the fallacy of ideas about German defense, in particular.
      Take winter 41-42. The Wehrmacht did not have a solid front line with machine guns after 200 meters. There was a necklace made of davits, which, having connected the battle from the front, could be circumvented, feeling for weaknesses. To go around them and feel for something, mobility was needed.
      So, everything is on hand here.
      Well, in horseback, as a rule, they did not attack.
      In the middle and end of the war, cavalry also did not "work" against a solid and stable defense. She developed success by entering a breakthrough after being hit by artillery, infantry, tanks, and went deep into the operational rear, not allowing the enemy to take a new line of defense.
  18. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 9 December 2013 20: 07
    +2
    THANKS FOR THE ARTICLE! I SHOULD CAVALERIST, LIKED.
    DO YOU KNOW THAT TODAY, PREVIOUSLY GIRLS ARE LONG HORSES ...
  19. Sanyht
    Sanyht 9 December 2013 20: 40
    -7
    in the Donbass against tanks, the Budyonny made the cavalry wave their sabers! and himself, with a fright, he ate vodka under a good snack ... to stop the enemy at all costs, ordered the authorities from above.
    1. RPD
      RPD 9 December 2013 20: 46
      +5
      oh idiot. returned from the Maidan? for completeness, naked Komsomol forgot to mention
      1. klim44
        klim44 9 December 2013 20: 48
        +2
        Why immediately from the Maidan? Maybe he was a regional Orthodox
      2. smile
        smile 9 December 2013 21: 58
        +2
        RPD
        That is not - the orderlies in his psychiatric hospital went to a smoke break, and won the moment and let them replicate your super-valuable bullshit .... :)))

        Comrade Sanyht, are you completely out of sight? :)))
        Or is the RPD right - and did the riot police really take you to the maydaun, and therefore super ideas have started to appear in your affected organ? :)))

        Then, comrade liar, please, prove your lies, we look forward to ... :)))
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 9 December 2013 22: 20
          +1
          Quote: smile
          Or the RPD is right - and indeed, on the Maydaun, the riot police ransacked you,

          Great toothy. OMON has not been touching anyone for a week. It covered him when the monument to Lenin was destroyed ... not everyone dodged it when it fell.
          1. smile
            smile 9 December 2013 23: 20
            +1
            chehywed
            It’s great! :))) Well, in principle, yes - it doesn’t matter where he got the pumpkin - the diagnosis is obvious ... :)))
            And it’s a shame for the Ukrainian OMON (or rather, for those who decide to put it into action) - it’s high time to stop this bacchanalia in Ukraine. It’s scary to imagine how much Ukraine costs this mess every day ... and how much it will still go around ....
            1. chehywed
              chehywed 9 December 2013 23: 29
              +1
              smile, I went crazy when Yanyk handed over to OMON. But this is, kiss her mother in the mouth, politics. GDP is calm. Yanyk, too, is not particularly "worn out" about maydauns. I think everything will end by NG. Anyway, I hope.
  20. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 20: 46
    0
    In the 70s, NATO military experts were invited to the PRC. They were remodeled riders in the UPC,
    skillfully shooting at targets. The German military asked: and the horses, they will also be in OZK and gas masks
    during a nuclear conflict? After that, even the Chinese abandoned their Asian window dressing. smile
    1. RPD
      RPD 9 December 2013 20: 51
      +2
      there were gas masks for horses
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 9 December 2013 21: 47
        -2
        We had gas masks for dogs and horses, for dogs we even had OZK, but only here.
  21. samoletil18
    samoletil18 9 December 2013 23: 44
    +1
    Personally for EdwardTich68.
    The first case of using a saber cavalry attack took place in September 1939. The Poles ran into the German company and crushed the latter into kirieshki. But right there were German tanks. The Poles went to the tanks. Sabers did not take tanks. When the Germans captured the survivors, they were surprised: the Poles tapped their hands on the armor of the tanks and walked away in surprise. It turned out that Polish propaganda claimed that the Germans had plywood tanks.
    Be careful with propaganda opuses - life-threatening!
  22. deman73
    deman73 10 December 2013 07: 50
    0
    I think that in our age of technology, etc., cavalry is needed as such, and the horse as a whole for combat operations, and modern experience proves this
  23. fedorru
    fedorru 11 December 2013 16: 44
    +1
    My uncle served in the cavalry during the war, and Oslikovsky N.S. commanded the cavalry corps. Here is a short article about this commander http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=5896
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 11 December 2013 20: 28
      0
      Check out who was the consultant on the "Elusive" films.
      1. fedorru
        fedorru 12 December 2013 11: 31
        0
        Thanks for the information. I didn't know. It turns out he was not only a consultant for "Elusive", but also many other films.
  24. Morgan761
    Morgan761 12 December 2013 02: 31
    0
    Even in the army I read "General Dovator". I recommend.