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How to make the plane L-410 in the Czech Republic

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L-410 UVP-Е20 is a Czech-made universal twin-engine aircraft for local airlines that can accommodate 19 passengers. Designed for use on unprepared ground, grass, snowy grounds, as well as on airfields with short runways (near 600-700 meters), which, in fact, makes it an off-road aircraft.


How to make the plane L-410 in the Czech Republic


The first flight of the 410 L-16 was made on April 1969 of the year. The main customer of the aircraft was the Soviet Union. In addition, L-410 was also supplied to Bulgaria, Brazil, Hungary, GDR, Libya, Poland. Despite the fact that the plant is located in the Czech Republic, he considers himself to be part of the Russian aviation industry: the grounds for this were laid during its development and with many years stories operation. As of 2012, more than X-NUMX L-400 aircraft are in operation worldwide.

The production site of the company "Aircraft Industries" in Kunovice, Czech Republic. The Aircraft Industries plant, better known under the brand Let Kunovice, is located in 300 km from the city of Prague. The factory employs 920 people.

The company manufactures the aircraft according to the full production cycle - there are its own lines of surface treatment of materials, paint and varnish production, machine shop, assembly shops, design bureau and airport.



Shop for the production of parts of the fuselage L-410. The company is expanding and modernizing production - light green equipment is designed to produce a new generation of aircraft L-410 NG (New Generation).
The production capacity of the plant is 16-18 new aircraft per year. About 80% of aircraft supplied to Russia. Over the past four years, 35 aircraft have been delivered to Russia.



Production of parts on the CNC milling center of the French company Creneau:



Stripping parts before forming:



Punching press:



Manufacturing wing spar on 5-ti CNC milling center machining center. By production duralumin of the Russian production is used. The total share of components from Russia in the L-410 aircraft is about 15% - this is the legacy of the fact that the aircraft was developed by order of the USSR and with the participation of Soviet designers.



Assembling the front of the wing:



Checking the quality of riveting on the wing of the aircraft:



On one aircraft L-410 goes about 185 000 rivets of different types and sizes:



Riveting work in the middle part of the fuselage:



Installation of floor panels:



Production of the rear fuselage:



Production of an air intake part for CASA CN-235 aircraft as part of production cooperation.
The plant also cooperates with Boeing for the Boeing 787 aircraft.



Assembly line of aircraft L-410 UVP-Е20. Located in one of the newest buildings of the plant, originally designed for the production of L-610. In one half of the building are two lines of production of new aircraft L-410, in the second half - shop service aircraft coming out of service:



At the same time in the assembly shop are about 10 aircraft. The fuselage, wing, end tanks and tail unit come to the top of the line from the painting shop. At the end of the line are the aircraft undergoing flight tests and preparing to send to customers. Over the entire history of its existence, the plant has produced over 1150 aircraft of the L-410 family. More than 850 of them were supplied to operators in the USSR.



The process of finishing the luggage compartment of the aircraft in the nose after the installation of electrical equipment:



Assembling an emergency exit door:



The nose of the aircraft with the serial number 2915. Visible antenna weather radar. The doors of the luggage compartment are open:



Installation of avionics in the cockpit. As part of the avionics traditionally present devices of Russian manufacturers:



Electrical installation in the cabin:



Installation of wiring harnesses:



The AV-725 five-bite propellers (manufactured by Avia Propeller) together with the GE H80-200 engine make up the new L-410 UVP-E20 aircraft propulsion system. It is installed from January 2013 on all new aircraft and is certified by EASA and the Russian AR IAC.

Young people in production are not uncommon, including due to the presence of their own professional technical school in the territory of the plant. The average age of the company's employees is 44:



Works on a GE H-80 engine, cited by a representative of a company from the city of Prague:



The final assembly stage takes about 5 months - this is the most expensive part of the production, so within its framework engines, landing gear and all avionics are installed on the aircraft, where each individual unit can cost 100-250 thousand euros.

The total duration of the aircraft production cycle from the production of the first components of the fuselage to the end of flight tests takes a little less than a year.



Cockpit of the aircraft L-410 UVP-E20. The aircraft is fully equipped for instrument flight and has an advanced system for preventing dangerous proximity to the ground (GPWS) and collisions in the air (TCAS II). L 410 is designed in the metric system (and not in inches), which is an exception in the western aviation:



This type of aircraft has been used for many years as a graduate for pilot training at the Sasovsky Civil Aviation Flight School (Ryazan Region).



Pre-flight training. Stanislav Sklenarzh - the main test pilot of the plant:



Under the wing of the aircraft view of the river. Moravu and the town of Uhersky Ostrog:



Aircraft L-410 UVP-Е20 for French Guiana. Planes for exotic countries often have a bright catchy coloring:



Care with a turn. Practical ceiling - 8 000 meters:



Sunset on the runway. The L-410 can land both on a hard-surfaced strip and on grass, soil and snow. UVP in the name of the aircraft means the Russian abbreviation "Shortened Takeoff and Landing", which also reminds of the Russian roots of the origin of the aircraft:



Castle New Svetlov (1480), Boykowice:



The medieval Gothic castle Buchlov (XIII century) is located in 10 km from Kunovice. Buchlov Castle is one of the most beautiful castles in South Moravia - the south-eastern region of the Czech Republic:



Velegradsky monastery (XIII century) - one of the main pilgrimage churches in the Czech Republic. In 863 - 866 In the city of Velehrad, Christian saints Cyril and Methodius lived and preached:



The prototype of the aircraft L-610M in the city of Old Place, established for viewing at the entrance to the city:



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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 7 December 2013 07: 48
    12
    Good morning everybody hi

    quote-L-410 UVP-E20 - a universal twin-engine Czech-made aircraft for local airlines, accommodating 19 passengers. Designed for use on unprepared unpaved, grassy, ​​snowy grounds, as well as on airfields with short runways (about 600-700 meters), which, in essence, makes it an aircraft for off-road use.

    About the aircraft L-410 UVP-E20 and not only.
  2. svp67
    svp67 7 December 2013 08: 42
    +5
    Now in the sky you will see more planes of other companies than Elochk, but it's a pity that the plane is not bad and was created especially for us ... But apparently soon everything can change, because earlier there was news that our entrepreneur bought the Elochek plant ...
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 7 December 2013 09: 31
      +2
      The first flight of the L-410 was made on 16 on April 1969 of the year.

      L-410 is planned to be purchased for the needs of the RF Ministry of Defense. Can't we ourselves build something newer? Or is it that the plant was bought by a "Russian entrepreneur"?
      1. Very old
        Very old 7 December 2013 14: 03
        +3
        That's just not enough
        And then go to bow to them - give spare parts, service staff, consumables
        Yes, even for defense (?)
      2. a
        a 7 December 2013 19: 57
        +2
        no .. not because I bought a Russian businessman. but because there is such a thing as a division of labor. even the richest countries cannot produce everything. in fact, even in the USSR we did not have such a production. so to speak about Russia. it is right. it is better to produce long-range planes. and MVL aircraft can be bought
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 06: 20
          +2
          Those. how was it? It was and is - OAO NAPO them. Chkalov (An-38, no worse than L-410).
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 8 December 2013 16: 16
            0
            An-38 is the same foreign car.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 8 December 2013 16: 16
        0
        Even in the USSR, this did not bother anyone.
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 7 December 2013 16: 19
      +4
      First saw the L-410 at the Irkutsk airport in 1973. Comfort compared to the AN-2, which was to be replaced by the L-410.
      40 years have passed, and the mass application of the L-410 in Russia did not find. And the need for such an aircraft of local airlines is huge.
      I think there are many reasons: at that time the resource of the numerous AN-2 fleet was not worked out, the versatility of using the AN-2 (not only as a passenger), more complex and expensive service, the collapse of the unified civil aviation system of Russia, etc.
    3. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 7 December 2013 17: 05
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Now in the sky you will see more planes of other companies than Elochk, but it's a pity that the plane is not bad and was created especially for us ... But apparently soon everything can change, because earlier there was news that our entrepreneur bought the Elochek plant ...

      quite right, the plant belongs to the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company.
  3. saag
    saag 7 December 2013 09: 06
    +3
    He flew on it, at first after the An-24 you are mistrustful, like such a plane really flies, but the pilot convinced us that it was flying :-)
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 7 December 2013 12: 09
      +2
      Quote: saag
      Flew on it

      Also flew, as a passenger, the best impression, small, comfortable, as if you were flying on a bus.
  4. VADEL
    VADEL 7 December 2013 09: 29
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Now in the sky you will see more aircraft of other firms than Elochka,

    It was also called "Cheburashka", sometimes buzzing overhead, I can tell by the sound. Let him fly and not cheburaha. smile
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 7 December 2013 10: 38
      +2
      Quote: VADEL
      It was also called "Cheburashka", buzzing

      In our area he was nicknamed "Bee". Probably for this not weak buzzing.
      Compared to the Yak-40 and "Kukuruznik", which took off from our airfield, the noise on this one was simply awful. But the seats are comfortable, the takeoff run is short and there is less shaking during takeoff.
      But the noise ..... Until now, the ears are laying, as I recall laughing

      And the pictures are wonderful.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 7 December 2013 10: 50
        +5

        In the 80s and 90s, father-in-law flew on the L-410, according to noise standards, the crew’s permissible operating time is 3 minutes, chronic disease of the pilots: the vocal cords are not converging.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 7 December 2013 13: 07
          +5
          Good afternoon, Alexander! And my favorite An-28 airplane. It’s a pity they say it’s no longer flying ...
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 7 December 2013 13: 13
            +4
            Hello Jura, how it does not fly, even as it flies, the An-38 became a logical continuation of the Bee.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 7 December 2013 14: 06
              +3
              You look! And someone had been laying out information for a long time that the An-38 program was covered with a copper basin, and the An-28 was gone ... So trust the people after that! well then hi Great plane! I'm on it from the city of Solikamsk Perm.obl. flew to Sverdlovsk. Somewhere else ... Just in Solikamsk / Berezniki often in the commander. I went in the late 80s-early 90s ... I remember when I saw him for the first time, I was stunned: he was tied to the posts with chains !!!
              And thanks for the video! hi
              1. Old_kapitan
                Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 06: 26
                0
                and An-28 is gone
                The production of An-28 was transferred to the PZL in Poland. With all that it implies ... But with An-38, things are not very good either, 6 fly in Russia, 2 in Malaysia and 1 in Mongolia.
            2. APASUS
              APASUS 8 December 2013 19: 05
              0
              An-28 DR Congo
              Of course, these pilots are heroic men, I understand that they don’t pay that kind of money at home, but ........... our Mi-8 flew to Lagos with a Ukrainian crew behind us and even the pilots themselves couldn’t tell whether he would fly or not? He had such waters, to say that it was bad to say nothing at all !!!
          2. officer29
            officer29 7 December 2013 14: 01
            +3
            It flies and still flies! An enlarged version of the An-14 "Pchelka" aircraft. It is actively operated on northern airlines, in particular in Kamchatka and the Sakhalin region! good
          3. Very old
            Very old 9 December 2013 07: 07
            0
            Right, Yura.
            As always, we don’t keep our own.
      2. officer29
        officer29 7 December 2013 13: 57
        +2
        An-14 was and is still called a bee! It even has the official name An-14- "Bee" / wink
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 06: 29
          0
          An-14 was and is still called a bee! He even has the official name An-14- "Bee"


          As well as "Cheburashka" - An-72 for the characteristic arrangement of engines.

          s
      3. Gamdlislyam
        Gamdlislyam 7 December 2013 17: 44
        +4
        Quote: Ptah
        In our area he was nicknamed "Bee". Probably for this not weak buzzing.

        Dear colleague Ptah, An-14 was called "Bee".
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 7 December 2013 19: 00
          0
          Thank you for clarification!
          But I was not wrong. Firstly, we did not have such "Anov". We flew across the Volga at a time when the ferry had not yet started navigation, and the ice crossing was closed. I distinctly remember the type of salon. The "L-410" has 6-8 more passenger seats.
          Secondly. With a similar "upper part", these devices are strikingly different chassis and special. compartment for them ("pot-bellied").
          The third. The plumage is different.
          And children's memory is very tenacious on such details.
          Simply, by analogy with the An-14, the Czechoslovakian was also called. It turns out like this ... hi
    2. rudolff
      rudolff 7 December 2013 18: 26
      +2
      Cheburashka An-72/74 is called for the characteristic arrangement of engines above the wings.
  5. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 7 December 2013 09: 33
    +4
    on a business trip we flew a good plane in the north on it, sits down and takes off with low mileage, and pilots also allowed us to smoke and drink strong alcohol repeat
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 7 December 2013 14: 13
      +1
      Quote: jagdpanzer
      and pilots also allowed us to smoke and drink hard liquor

      Well ... It doesn't depend much on the type of aircraft ... Rather, it depends on personal qualities (ability to "keep up a conversation"), flight range, availability of supplies and the mood of the crew ...
  6. realist
    realist 7 December 2013 09: 45
    +5
    at the end of the 80s, it serviced L-29 and L-39 with medium and overhaul - comfortable and well-made machines, especially 39! many of the avionics 39 elements exceeded the quality and design reasonableness from 25 to 24 and instantly up to 29 of the first series inclusive
  7. drop
    drop 7 December 2013 10: 03
    10
    Before being transferred to Moscow, when he was the Chief Designer of Air and Naval Aviation at the NII-33, he was on a business trip at this plant. It was necessary to place on the L-39 AFS and on-board radio navigation equipment. Then we bought this plane and the ones following it. Why do it now, our aircraft factories are idle, the research institute where avionics is being created, also without long-term, promising orders. To create and produce your own similar aircraft for specialists costs nothing. The government should draw up the Federal Target Program in this area and only entrust the work to those enterprises that have relevant experience only by fair competition. Such a plane for our large country needs a domestic one. If necessary, enterprises will be invited to work by foreign specialists. Then we will not invite foreign pilots to civil aviation.
    1. avt
      avt 7 December 2013 10: 49
      +5
      Quote: Drop
      To create and produce your own similar aircraft for specialists costs nothing.

      In addition, the plane itself appeared only thanks to the "Soviet occupants", if it were not for the CMEA, there would be no aviation industry in Czechoslovakia and they would fly not on Lki, but on Be and Anakh. Well, instead of the 39th there would be the then Yak, and not worse.
      Quote: Drop
      Federal target program and only in fair competition

      Yeah laughing I would give it to LAD, especially since he has experience, he already conducted a target program on tomographs and there was a competition, though not a single manufacturer has less than fingers on one hand, she didn’t participate directly. A good article good and photos too.
      1. a
        a 7 December 2013 20: 09
        +3
        Quote: avt
        In addition, the plane itself appeared only thanks to the "Soviet occupants", if it were not for the CMEA, there would be no aviation industry in Czechoslovakia


        The Czechs have never considered us as occupants and in fact did not consider us. yes was the 68th year. but passions on him quickly subsided. Now we have equal relations with the Czechs. not that with the Poles, for whom the phantom pains still couldn’t escape.
        the fact that CMEA was beneficial not only to the countries of eastern Europe, but also to the USSR. we couldn’t do everything in our house. therefore, something was entrusted to produce to other countries. Aircraft commissioned by the USSR were made not only in Czechoslovakia, but in Poland
        1. avt
          avt 8 December 2013 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: uno
          we couldn’t do everything in our house. therefore, something was entrusted to produce to other countries. Aircraft commissioned by the USSR were made not only in Czechoslovakia, but in Poland

          In this particular case, as with the 39m, the decision was political, there were Soviet cars at KB Beriev and Yakovlev, and they made passenger cars together, but unlike, for example, the same Poles that they did under the license of An-2, Mi-2, the Czechs were given the opportunity to make their cars and opened the USSR market for them as part of the CMEA cooperation.
    2. studentmati
      studentmati 8 December 2013 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: Drop
      The government should draw up a federal target program in this area. and only in fair competition entrust work to those enterprises that have relevant experience.


      Everything sounds correct and convincing, but a fair competition is fantastic.
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  8. Fitter65
    Fitter65 7 December 2013 10: 07
    +2
    We have this one in the coloring "Russian Post" taking off from the runway at 9.20, return at 17.25.
  9. Echo
    Echo 7 December 2013 10: 54
    0
    Why are most Czechs so pot-bellied? sad
    1. Laserson
      Laserson 7 December 2013 11: 07
      +5
      Noble Czech beer :)
    2. vkrav
      vkrav 8 December 2013 15: 46
      0
      Quote: Echo
      Why are most Czechs so pot-bellied?

      But because nearby
      Bukhlov castle
      laughing
  10. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 7 December 2013 11: 04
    +4
    Quote: Fitter65
    LADY to entrust, the more he has experience


    If you want to overwhelm a business, entrust it to Dmitry Anatolyevich!
  11. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 7 December 2013 11: 06
    +4
    Mighty workhorse, when the USSR was in place, we had a lot of them, together with the An-2 they formed the basis of northern aviation. The union fell apart, the cars sold out and now only on deer ...
  12. smersh70
    smersh70 7 December 2013 11: 10
    +2
    ... as everywhere it is clean and cultural ..... both in the workshops ... and in the city .... in a word ... Europe ........ good
    1. officer29
      officer29 7 December 2013 14: 06
      +5
      You, apparently, were not at our aircraft manufacturing enterprises! Even hospitals can envy cleanliness! belay
    2. igor67
      igor67 7 December 2013 14: 12
      +6
      Quote: smersh70
      ... as everywhere it is clean and cultural ..... both in the workshops ... and in the city .... in a word ... Europe ........ good

      Actually, in the second picture, where the slipway, pay attention to the ceiling, drips, see the roof leaky, Europe laughing
    3. Pilot1980
      Pilot1980 26 February 2018 05: 46
      0
      Look carefully at the advertisement for the workshop where Superjets collect ...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgW8gcqaa6k
      Varnished floors, where Dryers are collected, the situation is the same ...
  13. VADEL
    VADEL 7 December 2013 11: 28
    +3
    Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
    Mighty workhorse, when the USSR was in place, we had a lot of them, together with the An-2 they formed the basis of northern aviation. The union fell apart, the cars sold out and now only on deer ...

    A plane is good, a ship is good, and deer are better ... Remember? laughing good
  14. VADEL
    VADEL 7 December 2013 11: 42
    +4
    Cola Beldy, as it is now "fashionable to say" - Mega star of the Soviet stage
    They listened and cried, almost all laughing smile
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 7 December 2013 17: 21
      +5
      Quote: VADEL
      Cola Beldy
      They listened and cried, almost all laughing smile

      but it would not be shameful for the current megastars of Russian pop to take vocal lessons from Beldy. By the way, Kol Beldy has a higher musical education-Saratov Conservatory.
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 7 December 2013 20: 44
      0
      Ai-yaa ....... good
      "There is no struggle for a place,
      And no POLICE OFFICER .... "
      good

      And the car is good
      And the snowmobile is good
      And the jetski is good
      And the bike is good
      And the ATV is good,
      And the bike is good
      And the paraglider is good
      And jumpstate is good
      And the snowboard is good
      AND........,
      And I sing well!
      Kirkorov abruptly .... laughing
  15. Argon
    Argon 7 December 2013 12: 14
    +5
    The purchase of this machine by the USSR was aimed at optimizing the costs of the national economy, for the maintenance, of several types of machines in "light" aviation, such as An-2, An-28, partly An-24 \ 26. Unfortunately, the L-410 did not justify expectations, the car is quite demanding on the quality of service, it is more difficult than I would like to pilot, and in general it turned out to be expensive in operation, it didn’t work in agricultural aviation, it didn’t go to the medical units, although they tried to “establish operation.” Political issues and “elka” prevented a rational decision. occupied its niche in civil aviation (where, admittedly, it was quite profitable), adding to the already "motley" fleet of "kids" of the union. On the other hand, in today's reality, this machine (as well as the enterprise that produces it) has a certain " handicap "to conquer the Russian market, the ruins of the" service system "remain, there are" specialists "serving them, the owner is a citizen of Russia, which is important (the presence of some" levers of influence "), production abroad is a reason to hope for compliance with the technological disc tsiplins, and as experience shows, the further the plant is from the capital of our country, the higher its profitability and efficiency.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 7 December 2013 12: 31
      +3
      The main repair base of the L-410 was in Minsk and Kharkov.
  16. Professor
    Professor 7 December 2013 13: 49
    +2
    L 410 is designed in a metric system (and not in inches), which is an exception in Western aviation:

    Not an exception at all. Airbus, for example, is made in the metric system, Boeing in the inca-America is America. request
  17. Igor39
    Igor39 7 December 2013 16: 53
    +3
    I made a copy of the L-39 cord model with my friends in an airplane model circle, he has beautiful shapes, such a small one, swift!
  18. aviamed90
    aviamed90 7 December 2013 17: 07
    +3
    At the moment, on the L-410 UVP-E in the Air Force fly at the airfields of Balashov and Rtishchevo (Saratov region).
    Now they are part of the branch office "VUNTS VVS" VVA named after Professor N.E. Zhukovsky and Y.A. Gagarin "(Krasnodar).

    Well, in GA it is also used on regional flights "Orenburg - Samara - Saratov" ("L-410 UVP-E20" Turbolet ", AK" Orenburg region ").

    Demanded - definitely.
  19. sef-77
    sef-77 7 December 2013 21: 20
    0
    I would love to transfer to it after the L-29 ...
    sorry, did not happen ...
  20. Sirs
    Sirs 8 December 2013 05: 52
    0
    good, we would learn to make such small planes
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 06: 14
      0
      good, we would learn to make such small planes
      And what we learn - we know how, An-28 / An-38.
      1. Sirs
        Sirs 8 December 2013 07: 11
        0
        An-38 is being released (modernized)?
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 07: 19
          +1
          An-38 is being released (modernized)?
          Last modification - 12 years ago. But this does not mean that we do not know how. Why did you choose to buy from Czechs and not let out at home - I don’t know ...
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 8 December 2013 08: 35
            0
            Regional transportation was traditionally carried out by the Yakovlev Design Bureau, and Antonov, the Yak factories in Saratov are on their side, Ikea is now there, you yourself know the situation in Ukraine. In Russia, they are trying to adapt the Pilatus RS-12, the Dexter airline, to these needs.
            1. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 08: 59
              0
              you know the situation in Ukraine
              Wait, what does Ukraine have to do with it? An-38 Russia bought with giblets, the production was established in Novosibirsk, the American engine, the modification of the An-38-200 - its own (and Omsk would have thrown work).
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 8 December 2013 09: 10
                0
                An-38-200 produced a total of 9 machines, and the program was closed in the 2007 year.
                1. Old_kapitan
                  Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 09: 25
                  +2
                  An-38-200 produced a total of 9 machines, and the program was closed in the 2007 year.
                  So I am about the same! I don’t understand what is the point of creating jobs in the Czech Republic if this can be done in Novosibirsk and Omsk.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 8 December 2013 09: 28
                    0
                    Well then cherished another Superjet dream, not before that was.
              2. svp67
                svp67 8 December 2013 09: 47
                +2
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                Wait, what does Ukraine have to do with it?

                Is this WHY? WHAT? We are to blame for all your sins, but for you, accordingly. All honestly ... drinks
                1. Old_kapitan
                  Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 09: 49
                  +1
                  Is this WHY? WHAT? We are to blame for all your sins, but for you, accordingly. All honestly ...
                  Ahhh ... Well then, no questions asked! drinks
            2. svp67
              svp67 8 December 2013 09: 44
              0
              Quote: Alex 241
              Regional transportation

              Alex hi
              Sash, what can you say about this "Brazilian monkey", that they frankly DO NOT LUCK in the sky of Burgas recently recourse
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 8 December 2013 10: 06
                +1
                Hi Seryozha, Bombardier (Canada) Embaer (Brazil), a good reliable car, what happened to her surprised me very much, and the failures of electronics, and the mechanization of the wing, and engines, landing gear, depressurization. My opinion should be done, as was done in the USSR Air Force , suspend the operation of these types of aircraft, until the reasons are completely clarified, otherwise we walk along the blade of the knife.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 8 December 2013 10: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  otherwise we walk along the blade of a knife.
                  Now, what about the Superjet? Growing pains?
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 8 December 2013 10: 21
                    0
                    Seryozha is my personal opinion: numerous failures are system errors that were made at the design level of the aircraft. A design bureau that has never been involved in the design and construction of civilian liners has taken up this matter, we are now seeing the result.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 8 December 2013 11: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Seryozha is my personal opinion: numerous failures are system errors that were laid at the level of aircraft design.

                      There are more questions than answers ... And there is also MC21 on the way, what will it be? honestly, we are tired of "other people's wings" in the sky ... We need to develop ourselves, especially since we knew how to do this ... otherwise we won't get off the "oil needle".
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 8 December 2013 11: 24
                        +1
                        Serezha MS is Yakovlevsky developments, I believe that it will succeed. If only without effective managers!
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 8 December 2013 11: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        MS is Yakovlevsky developments

                        I am glad to see the next "Yashka", their civil and sports turned out better than the combat ones, so let them do it. But I would very much like to see the new "Carcasses" and "Ilyush" ... And AN70 ... The sky is big and free, but there is nothing to fly and there is no one to fly ... Some kind of madhouse ...
  • saag
    saag 8 December 2013 10: 25
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    We take and collect or buy a gyroplane, just not in the west because it is much more expensive and more problematic to the sky, a map, GPS / Glonass, a transponder with a walkie-talkie in the cockpit, otherwise you can wait for regional domestic aviation all your life :-)
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 December 2013 11: 04
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      Quote: saag
      We take and collect or buy a gyroplane
      The only problem is the price. In one of the shopping centers we have a "motosmalets" at a price of more than 100000 "euriks". Not everyone has so much in stock ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 8 December 2013 22: 02
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        Well, you’ve found a gyroplane! There’s a lot of lotions and according to its passport data
        Flight range: 750 km

        A simple gyroplane can be found cheaper
  • saag
    saag 8 December 2013 15: 02
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: saag
    We take and collect or buy a gyroplane
    The only problem is the price. In one of the shopping centers we have a "motosmalets" at a price of more than 100000 "euriks". Not everyone has so much in stock ...

    Calidus or something, it’s not expensive, in Russia it’s quite possible to find 900000 rubles
  • Eugene
    Eugene 9 December 2013 01: 48
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    It’s a cool machine. So many times it flew from Kerch to Simferopol and back ...! Once it was possible to AN-2. Of course, heaven and earth. But the Russians don’t leave their own!
  • abc_alex
    abc_alex 9 December 2013 14: 32
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    So, for reference, Let is acquired by the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company. The company is cost-effective, the order exceeds the capabilities. Almost all cars go to Russia.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 9 December 2013 16: 00
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      Only jobs in the Czech Republic, we need it?
  • Deformator
    Deformator 19 August 2014 12: 13
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    Young people in production are not uncommon, including due to the presence of their own professional technical school in the territory of the plant.


    The right approach.