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"We believe in another Europe." Advisor to the leader of the French nationalists explained why Ukraine should not join the European Union

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"We believe in another Europe." Advisor to the leader of the French nationalists explained why Ukraine should not join the European Union“The EU’s proposals for Ukraine were immature, poorly prepared and humiliating, and offensive for Russia at the same time,” Marine Le Pen, Ludovic de Dunn, adviser to the leader of the French National Front, told VZGLYAD. He explained why Ukraine should abandon European integration.


Kiev demanded that the European Union not “cheer” on the protesters in Ukraine.

“From different capitals of the European Union there are calls for opposition in Ukraine, so that they continue to protest, so as not to abandon the slogan of early parliamentary elections. Leading, I stress, leading politicians are stirring up people on Independence to protest, ”said Ukrainian Foreign Minister Leonid Kozhara in an interview with foreign media.

The Ukrainian side, he said, expects that the allies of the protesters from the European Parliament "will call on opposition leaders for dialogue."

However, up to now, European politicians in every way made it clear that they are interested in Ukrainian domestic dialogue is much less than the signing of an association agreement Kiev on any terms. A number of European leaders, even openly talked about the fact that the European future of Ukraine needs a new government.

However, not everyone in Europe believes that Ukraine made a mistake by refusing to sign an association agreement. Among those who consider Kiev’s position to be true, as the newspaper VIEW has already written, was the leader of the French National Front, Marine Le Pen. The party led by her consistently opposes the processes of European integration, demanding greater independence of France from the EU and international organizations.

On the European Integration of Ukraine, the position of the “National Front” regarding the European integration in an interview with the VIEW of the Council was presented by the adviser Marine Le Pen on European Affairs, Louis de Dann.

VIEW: Proponents of European integration have high hopes for Ukraine's entry into the European Union, arguing that the era of prosperity will come in the country, and the standard of living of people will rise. Are such expectations justified?

Louis de Dunn: The European Union is politically divided and broken, most countries are under the burden of debt and the burden of high unemployment. This is an illusion that Ukrainian youth and business must understand. The single European currency is on its way to collapse. Huge funds are being spent to help it survive, which can lead to tough measures, as is the case with Greece, and to the gradual destruction of the domestic market. Even if the agreement had been signed, no one would guarantee that the EU would provide for Ukrainians a simplified regime for obtaining Schengen visas.

VIEW: The Ukrainian authorities now just indicate that the terms of the association agreement were extremely disadvantageous for Kiev, as Russia has repeatedly pointed out.

LDD: The EU proposals for Ukraine were immature, poorly prepared and humiliating. They actually opposed the Ukrainian-Russian agreements, which is at the same time insulting for Russia. And the demands that the EU put forward, for example, with regard to Yulia Tymoshenko, can be regarded as a haughty interference in the internal politics of Ukraine.

We know that some US agencies and Mr. Soros are behind some agitators for the European Union. All these agreements threaten the interests of Russia. Moreover, the European Union does not want to look for an acceptable trilateral format of cooperation. Plus the issues of the Black Sea market, energy or the military aspect - no one dares to talk about it. The question of Ukraine is complicated by the fact that the country is divided into two, even into three parts, with the Russian Crimea, which can request more autonomy ...

Ukraine is a European state! She does not need that the European Union, to be self-confident.

VIEW: Your party regularly criticizes both the current state of affairs in Europe and the European Union as a whole. And what do you offer in return?

LDD: We believe in another Europe: a non-burdensome confederation of sovereign states, built on the basis of trust and respect in the framework of cooperation on common issues or on common security. This is the only possible way for today.

Such a union may extend from Portugal to Ukraine and Russia. This is a more realistic and mature, it is the best condition for peace.
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 7 December 2013 07: 21
    24
    yes ... adequate people remained in the West, and even those nationalists. oh how much their migrants with fagots dopekli
    1. makarov
      makarov 7 December 2013 07: 59
      -2
      I fully support your comment, and giggle at the lack of understanding of the author of the material on whose "authoritative opinion" she refers
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 7 December 2013 08: 28
      25
      What can I say, fiddler from Europe arrived - German Foreign Minister Westerwelle, to support at the rally those who aim to overthrow the legitimate government of Ukraine. Wanted in geysoyuz?
      Brothers it's time to come to your senses!
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 7 December 2013 09: 16
        21
        Quote: sergey32
        German Foreign Minister

        Guido Westerwelle does not hide his addiction to the muscular overgrown male * opam. Or to the members ...
        Fiercely hates Germans and human values, being a jurist by nationality. Calls for the ban of those parties that position themselves as Christian, national and socialist, but receive all sorts of nishtyaki from Merkel.
        He, in fact, does not care about the legitimate governments of other countries. Like all Liberal Democrats, his own satisfaction of lust is more important to him. But at the same time, he constantly puts pressure on the fact that there is no need to help those governments that, according to him, "do not sufficiently grant rights" to sexual minorities.
        Most likely the opposition in Ukraine tried to buy corny. As a sexual partner.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 7 December 2013 21: 37
          +3
          Quote: Ptah
          Most likely the opposition in Ukraine tried to buy corny. As a sexual partner.

          Strongly said. It’s a pity that the nationalists only see this. It would be good for our Russians in Little Russia to figure out who they should be sooner.
      2. illarion
        illarion 7 December 2013 22: 37
        0
        But I’ve already prepared all the equipment to go to Kiev, the mother of Russian cities, to shoot a gay parade on Khreshchatyk with the applause of others. A Ukrainian neighbor is afraid that this will never happen. I even bet. I have to win !!!
    3. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 7 December 2013 10: 36
      -1
      "Such an alliance can stretch from Portugal to Ukraine and Russia"
      To give a lip-packing machine?
    4. wow
      wow 7 December 2013 18: 24
      +5
      It seems to be a French fascist (as he was presented), but verbs smart things !!!
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      2. CTEPX
        CTEPX 7 December 2013 19: 44
        0
        Quote: yo-mine
        It seems to be a French fascist (as he was presented), but verbs smart things !!!

        It's only the beginning)). After Janek signed (under the patronage of Putin) a transit strategy of the "Great Silk Road" directly to the EU, bypassing Russia, which closes its borders)). We will hear many more unexpected things about the impossibility of Ukraine signing an association with the EU)).
      3. st.lt
        st.lt 10 December 2013 20: 11
        0
        they who are not gay and not black (Arab) that fascist
  2. bomg.77
    bomg.77 7 December 2013 07: 21
    +8
    Forget about Ukraine, it’s already in the CU, before the presidential elections in Ukraine, Yanukovych will sign an accession agreement, I think so!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 7 December 2013 07: 27
      11
      Quote: bomg.77
      Forget about Ukraine. She is already in the vehicle.

      maybe wait for the official posts? and then Yanukovych is that juchara-prostitute from politics.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 07: 45
        12
        Quote: andrei332809
        maybe wait for the official posts?

        SchA Klitschko with Yatsenyuk reading this news wiping sweat from his forehead, mother everything and everyone around laughing They don’t need official confirmations, they will raise such warriors, Ukraine hasn’t died yet wassat
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 7 December 2013 07: 55
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          SchA Klitschko with Yatsenyuk reading this news sweat from his forehead in
          Yatsenyuk is already threatening a new Maidan. wassat
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 08: 12
            16
            Quote: bomg.77
            Yatsenyuk is already threatening a new Maidan.

            Soon the expression will come into use; laughing
            1. knn54
              knn54 7 December 2013 14: 33
              13
              -Alexander of the novels: soon the expression will come into use;
              A simpler MAYDOWN.
              -bomg.77: Yatsenyuk is already threatening a new Maidan.
              I was excited, however. It would be better if I dug a caches for myself.
              - Deniska999: Ukraine needs to be with Russia, and not against it.
              Aligned from the supply schemes of Russian and Central Asian gas to Ukraine and reselling it abroad, Dmitry Firtash bluntly says: “Now, as a businessman, it’s better for me to have Ukraine in the European Union. Because I don’t sell anything to Russia ... ”. IS AN QUESTION?
              PS And for some reason EVERYTHING is silent about the Restitution of taken property.
              As a result of the adoption of laws on the return of property nationalized in Soviet times to its former owners, most of the residential buildings in Latvia and Estonia fell into the hands of Swedish, Danish and Finnish citizens, as well as Germans, many of whom decided to immediately sell it to commercial structures ... Are you ready (first of all) Galicians to give houses and other real estate to the Poles ???
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 7 December 2013 21: 41
                +1
                Quote: knn54
                Are the Galicians (first of all) ready to give the houses and other real estate to the Poles ???

                Yes, they themselves Lyakhov notably cut during the Second World War. And you are talking about real estate.
            2. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan 8 December 2013 00: 33
              +2
              Soon the expression will come into use;
              I don’t know how it is with you, this expression has come into use with me back in 2004.
        2. andrei332809
          andrei332809 7 December 2013 08: 10
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , the warriors will raise such, Ukraine hasn’t died yet

          yes died, died. there is no country left (I don’t know if this is for better or for worse), only some big top. The way out of Ukraine is to become part of the Russian Federation, otherwise they will not be left alone. but theirs politicians and business women lose a lot with this option, and since it is they who decide, the sentence to Ukraine will remain in force
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 08: 19
            11
            Quote: andrei332809
            but theirs politicians and businesswomen lose a lot with this option, and

            They don’t just lose, they themselves screamed to the whole world that a little bit more and Ukraine would sign with the EU everything that was needed, and then bang and a big bummer in the form of Russia, which again washed all of Europe. Russia doesn’t put Europe at *** already, and the Europeans themselves began to understand it. For them, now the loss of political weight is worse than business.
        3. Tersky
          Tersky 7 December 2013 09: 05
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          and Klitschko with Yatsenyuk reading this news wiping sweat from their foreheads, mothers everything and everyone

          Hello Sasha! On this news only found here "Sight" at least some info. But somehow everything is blurry. It looks like another bunch of media for the sake of raising the rating.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 09: 53
            +6
            Quote: Tersky
            But somehow everything is blurry. It looks like another bunch of media for the sake of raising the rating.

            Hello Victor! Yes, all the resources are discussing it now. It’s not blurry, but Yanukovych came to Putin with an empty pocket. So, everything can be. Yanukovych is pressed against the wall from all sides, he has practically no moves left.
            1. HAM
              HAM 7 December 2013 10: 27
              +1
              NOT already on rambler
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        6. CTEPX
          CTEPX 7 December 2013 19: 48
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          SchA Klitschko with Yatsenyuk reading this news

          This news was given to them for a preliminary reading)).
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 7 December 2013 07: 47
        +1
        Quote: andrei332809
        maybe wait for the official posts?
        Wait!
    2. Very old
      Very old 7 December 2013 07: 54
      +2
      1.Ukraine will sign - force
      2.Ukraine will regret - late ...
  3. Tatarus
    Tatarus 7 December 2013 07: 28
    0
    Quote: bomg.77
    Forget about Ukraine


    Source Tape. (In) ru? Authoritative and verified? Nonsense
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 07: 46
      +3
      Quote: Tatarus
      Source Tape. (In) ru?

      No, there legs grow from here The editor-in-chief Edward Lucas on his Twitter announced the entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 7 December 2013 07: 51
      +2
      Quote: Tatarus
      Source Tape. (In) ru? Authoritative and verified? Nonsense
      Many news agencies report this, but we will wait for official confirmation.
      1. vignat21
        vignat21 7 December 2013 23: 46
        +1
        Presidents of Russia and Ukraine Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych at a meeting last Friday in Sochi did not discuss the possibility of Ukraine joining the Customs Union.

        This was announced by the press secretary of the head of the Russian state Dmitry Peskov, according to RIA Novosti.

        The question of the possibility of Ukraine joining the Customs Union was not discussed at a meeting in Sochi, Peskov said.
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 7 December 2013 07: 28
    +5
    One question arises: how long can Ukraine exacerbate the refusal of European integration ... Everything has been decided and Ukraine will not give up its GDP. winked
  5. mirag2
    mirag2 7 December 2013 07: 29
    +6
    Yes, why, why ... Because the country, having joined the EU, is losing its independence.
    Nationalism in Europe today is not the same as under the Fuhrer. These are not those nationalists who say that the French (or Austrians) are the best people on earth and deserve to be only leaders and masters, and Arabs should work for them , Palestinians or Russians, and nationalists of the plan that their country should have more rights as a State.
    After all, the European Parliament is in fact a supranational structure, the decisions of which are binding on the governments of all EU countries, and these "nationalists" want more care for their state so that they can make the necessary decisions themselves.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 7 December 2013 08: 41
      +4
      Quote: mirag2
      Nationalism in Europe is different now

      Louis de Dunn: The European Union is politically divided and broken, most countries are under the burden of debt and the burden of high unemployment.

      Ludik is afraid to say bluntly that these problems are precisely from excessive multiculturalism and internationalism that has plagued everyone.
      And who do we have recognized experts in creating different kibbutz-internationals? For these, a bad dream, if in any country, some party declares itself acting in the interests of the indigenous nation. Russia is no exception. In Ukraine, nationalist interests were specifically inflated. They created a certain image, and now they will clean it up under this topic. And since the number of Natsik has already exceeded reasonable limits, this process will not be quiet and painless.
      And joining the EU is also a reason to push the foreheads of two groups of the population. To be continued ...
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 8 December 2013 06: 17
        +1
        Anyway, to allow Iran nuclear weapons.
  6. Manager
    Manager 7 December 2013 07: 59
    +7
    Here is what my friend Lithuanian writes about the prospects of the European Union for Ukraine. -
    I myself live in Lithuania. In the European Union, his mother. I decided to write a little about the minuses that you need to be prepared for by concluding an alliance with Europe.
    I see that your people like us 10 years ago already see themselves as Germany or France, although almost nothing of what these countries have is not shining for you. Most of you, without knowing a language other than Russian (Ukrainian), are depriving yourself of your freedom to work, or even relocating to permanent residence, which they are so rosy to represent. Do you think European head hunters will be looking in contact? Nope, the majority has one way - to a local recruitment agency (of which you will appear like mushrooms after rain, with 50/50 scam) for some sort of seasonal or dirty work, and keep in mind that even in this area the Poles / Lithuanians / Latvians / Slovenes / Bulgarians / room
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 08: 21
      +4
      Quote: Manager
      Do you think European head hunters will be looking in contact? Nah, most have one way

      Maxim, janitors and prostitutes in Europe will always be in demand. The truth with the janitors is more complicated, there is a lot of competition.
      hi hi
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 7 December 2013 09: 19
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The truth with the wipers is more complicated, there is a lot of competition.

        With prostitutes the same situation, vacancies for decades to come.
  7. Deniska999
    Deniska999 7 December 2013 08: 01
    +3
    Ukraine needs to be with Russia, and not against it.
  8. major071
    major071 7 December 2013 08: 02
    10
    Western politicians are already saying that there is nothing for Ukraine to do in the EU, and the wooden "opposition Maidauns" are tearing their own way, demanding European integration. Fuck you, not the keys to the apartment where the money is. negative
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 7 December 2013 08: 26
      +3
      So after all, unmeasured money is saved in the pockets of the leaders. hi
      1. major071
        major071 7 December 2013 09: 46
        +6
        hi That's just why they continue to yell at the Maidan, dusting the brains of youngsters and Natsiks, and they themselves consider denyuzhki who have already pocketed and who wanted to pocket, and they swim away from them. negative
  9. VADEL
    VADEL 7 December 2013 08: 20
    +7
    It’s time to leave EuroKUZUku alone independent Ukraine and deal with unresolved internal problems, such as infringement of the rights of bestiality, nicrophiles and other minorities on the rainbow flag. And the Slavs themselves will figure it out.
  10. Stinger
    Stinger 7 December 2013 08: 39
    12
    The conditions for admission to the EU are somehow strange. First, lower, and then settle at the bucket. But some people like it.
    1. saxa2103
      saxa2103 7 December 2013 19: 54
      -1
      by concepts laughing
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 7 December 2013 21: 46
      +2
      Quote: Stinger
      The conditions for admission to the EU are somehow strange. First, lower, and then settle at the bucket. But some people like it.

      wassat Damn perverts, Rusich want to fuck. I hope it will be a bummer.
  11. Prishtina
    Prishtina 7 December 2013 09: 02
    +9
    Quote: bomg.77
    Forget about Ukraine, it’s already in the CU, before the presidential elections in Ukraine, Yanukovych will sign an accession agreement, I think so!


    But I don’t know whether to rejoice or not what

    similar to "forced marriage" .. EU threw, China threw .. no money ... no choice, let's go to the vehicle. Some kind of stalemate (in the brain). It seems good .. but doubts gnaw. Incl. and because there is no certainty that having saved up fat under the roof of the vehicle .. Ukraine again will not throw out an orange somersault.

    IMHO .. the trouble of the Russian Empire and the USSR was that the republics were too big .. And the elites felt themselves princes on the ground ... (in fact equal to the condoms of most European countries)

    if ever it will be destined to revive _ the Empire, then the "ticket to enter" the Empire should not be (for example, Ukraine) integral from Lvov to Kharkov .. And for example 6-7 large formations .. example Donbass, Crimea, South Ukraine flagship Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kiev district, etc ...

    Well, this is of course a subjective opinion ..
  12. july
    july 7 December 2013 09: 23
    +6
    And I like Putin's reaction to this whole concert. It looks like he really doesn't care, and there is something to be like that. All the past years have not brought anything good in terms of rapprochement, of course I understand business, oligarchy, this is all there, but something eternal, priceless should not have dissolved? Well, at least a little? Some kind of ninth wave of rabid stupidity "give us Europe!" and nothing else, even an elementary superficial miscalculation, not just politics, but at least there is no economy! So the question is, does our guarantor (and he is certainly a progmatist, but more observant than others) need such cooperation and can we mean the current relationship as such? I have a feeling that he really did not crook his heart and said "we will respect your choice", because in such a situation, when universal obsession, it is better to let go in peace (???) than to drag this insanity on yourself. It is sad, of course, that many decent people will suffer from this, but they are part of this state and should be responsible for everything that happens and not nod at their uncle. Well, the fact that the Europoids rolled their lips for all the good of Ukraine is still just drooling, the appetite can be sharply spoiled when Putin makes real demands on the Crimean regions and then the moydanuty will go to suck in the gamerope, and normal people return home. In my humble opinion!
  13. veteran56
    veteran56 7 December 2013 09: 47
    +5
    There are still politicians in Europe who are able to soberly assess the state of affairs in the European Union. The Prime Minister of England expresses his thoughts about the possibility of the country's withdrawal from this organization, which is losing popularity. In Greece, the population has a negative attitude towards the European Union. Here are only demoniac Poles, and Lithuanians, offended by fate, they go crazy, just to annoy Russia. Moreover, together with them, the tie eater, rejected by his country, is looking for a refuge in Ukraine. Something "our" German and Kasyanovs are inaudible, or they are already licking the ass of the European commissioners in Ukraine.
  14. individual
    individual 7 December 2013 10: 05
    +6
    The question is, what side is Ukraine and its relations with the European Union for the United States?
    The answer is looming: the US State Department, having suffered failures with Snowden in the information confrontation and Syria in foreign policy, is trying to take revenge in Ukraine with the hands of the "chained" vassals of Poland and Lithuania.
    By tearing Ukraine away from Russia, the geopolitical link of the former Soviet Union is being resolved and discord is introduced into the EU structure itself.
    After swallowing Portugal, Greece and other Cyprus, Brussels cannot survive swallowed in any way. Really looking at things, they systematically refuse to accept Turkey, realizing that if they swallow they can choke and get indigestion of the economy, business, politics of a large space.
    The US State Department’s goal of imposing a whole Ukraine on the European Union has failed and will now split up territories under the control of new hetmans, and they have already been designated: A. Yatsenyuk, V. Klichko and the new UPA / UNSO Fuhrer - O. Tyagnibok.
    In what "side" the tyagniboks will drive Ukraine for Russia is clear, it becomes clear to the majority of the people of Ukraine.
  15. forester
    forester 7 December 2013 10: 38
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: bomg.77
    Yatsenyuk is already threatening a new Maidan.

    Soon the expression will come into use; laughing

    or for example maydanuty Eurointrast laughinghow do you like Alexander? in my opinion not bad
  16. morpogr
    morpogr 7 December 2013 10: 50
    +3
    The USA and the geyropeysky concerns already divided Ukraine among themselves from here and howl such a piece of a lackey was almost in hands and slipped out of sweaty lustful paws.
  17. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 7 December 2013 11: 13
    +2
    Yes, hell knows ... Maybe the same Yanukovych played a great game: he took off his pants in front of the EU, and then (after receiving guarantees and preferences from Putin about the TS + norms, the gas price) told the EU members - I’m not like that and we Ukrainians are proud heterosexuals ?? ??
    At least I would, not in his place, say so in future elections
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 7 December 2013 11: 31
      0
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      At least I would, not in his place, say so in future elections

      Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ... I wasted the country in all directions. I got out with the support of Russia, and then I started to shit on the “breadwinner”. for me, so he has one way out - to spank the most rabid "oppositionists", and then shoot himself. as a politician he has already sailed, if only our shoulder and pocket will give him, but after all the antics of the Yanuca ... request
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 7 December 2013 20: 53
      0
      Oh, that two-faced Janus.
      Who knows what he will choose in the end then.
  18. alone
    alone 7 December 2013 11: 59
    0
    Ukrainians will find a way out of the situation and do what is beneficial for themselves. So I think it is useless to sit here and everywhere and persistently repeat and advise them where they feel better, where they feel bad.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 12: 12
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      Ukrainians will find a way out of the situation and will do what is beneficial for themselves.

      wassat You there probably rolled in honor of the weekend wink Ukraine has been looking for a way out of situations for 23 years and is constantly doing what is not profitable for them at all laughing
      1. alone
        alone 7 December 2013 16: 30
        +1
        but it’s still their business. Yes, and Alexander, and we and you have little good for 23 years
        in life. especially in domestic politics
      2. saxa2103
        saxa2103 7 December 2013 20: 56
        +3
        it can turn out
        +?
  19. VADEL
    VADEL 7 December 2013 12: 03
    +1
    Quote: andrei332809
    . got out then on the support of Russia, and then began to shit on the "breadwinner"

    The old woman, the decrepit Europe, is holding her palms, there and heaped. And we IMHO seems to be still ahead.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 7 December 2013 12: 08
      +5
      Quote: VADEL
      Old woman decrepit Europe

      Yes, no, not an old woman already, but a piderast. well, what is decrepit, so throughout their history they have been engaged in sodomy, and this is after all 2500 years old. wassat
  20. creep: b
    creep: b 7 December 2013 13: 04
    +5
    Speaking of Russia's influence on Europe, maybe it’s not a topic, but I’ll express the following thought: Previously, many shouted that we were selling natural resources, that oil and gas reserves would last for 10 years with such volumes of supplies that they should not be supplied abroad but consume it yourself, etc. etc. I cannot cite the sources, but I remember this topic constantly on TV. And it seemed to everyone that the traitors in power, headed by Putin, were selling the country's resources for a song, so to speak ... And now, when Russia, after all these energy supply contracts, received real leverage on Europe and, in general, on many countries of the former Soviet Union, such statements are no longer heard. This is all I am talking about: that many "specialists" who are screaming and defending their position and views, also do not know and understand everything. One thing pleases - Putin then knew what he was doing)
  21. creep: b
    creep: b 7 December 2013 13: 19
    0
    Although, if you think about it, pumping out resources from our country is what the West was striving for. They simply did not expect Russia to be able to use it against them. And the fact that there are movements and attempts to reduce the role of the influence of Russian oil and gas on Europe suggests that it is very in their way. What will we do when resources run out? I can’t imagine at all. But when they end with us, most likely by that time, they will end with most other major suppliers, and therefore all over the world. Let's hope d)
  22. creep: b
    creep: b 7 December 2013 13: 34
    0
    Actually, I understood why I was expressing this thought: After all, a significant reason for refusing to associate with the EU is gas at European prices and a 2-fold increase in prices for utilities services, like (as they said), as a result of this. And in the customs union what? right gas at a reduced price, and if there is no money then on credit, which can not be returned for 50 or even 100 years and then written off somehow)) This is my opinion based on the flow of information from all sides ..
  23. O_RUS
    O_RUS 7 December 2013 14: 04
    +3
    "VZGLYAD: Supporters of European integration have high hopes for Ukraine's entry into the European Union, claiming that the era of prosperity will come in the country, and the standard of living of people will increase. Are these expectations justified? "

    Kiev

    before the independence of Ukraine, one could hear that Ukraine was feeding Moscow and the USSR ... and if they had left the USSR, they would have lived richly.
    They want to repeat again, only with new participants.
    Go for it! It looks funny from the side.
  24. mihasik
    mihasik 7 December 2013 14: 05
    0
    Quote: bomg.77
    Forget about Ukraine, it’s already in the CU, before the presidential elections in Ukraine, Yanukovych will sign an accession agreement, I think so!

    All this is another duck of the English "six"! So that the opposing party ne was dispersed). Read here: http://itar-tass.com/politika/817768
  25. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 7 December 2013 14: 16
    +1
    The bureaucratic leadership of the European Union has taken away almost all the rights from the member states of the union. Small and non-influencing countries (such as the Baltic states) agree with this situation and are content with what they have. Another thing is the locomotive of the union (Britain, France, etc.). they strive for a certain independent policy. Britain plans to hold a referendum on leaving the European Union. So that Having joined the European Union, Ukraine will cease to be a sovereign and independent state.
  26. homosum20
    homosum20 7 December 2013 15: 20
    +1
    All of them in the West are well aware. Just tough pursue their interests. Nothing personal. It’s just that you can live well in the modern world only at the expense of others. Just a business.
  27. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 7 December 2013 15: 33
    +1
    French politicians Marine Le Pen and Louis de Dunne are becoming more and more sympathetic with their balanced and clear stance on Europe.
  28. Prishtina
    Prishtina 7 December 2013 16: 42
    0
    Quote: lonely
    but it's still their business. yes and Alexander,and we and you have 23 years of little good
    in life. especially in domestic politics


    something you pessimism gush .. for example, I got married a second time (made conclusions from my first marriage fellow .. progress) what else ... left the civil service .. now I work for myself .. I work a lot (more than in the state) but I earn more .. and the most interesting thing is that from one thought that you do not depend on the financial department .. the desire to work even more)))

    You just have to work a lot .. and not wait for bonuses from the state .. Do not litter, be polite behind the wheel, respect pedestrians, old people .. stand up for the weak .. do not count police assistance for "snitching" and many many more household trifles. . on which the welfare of the state essentially depends no less than on GDP growth hi
    1. alone
      alone 7 December 2013 16: 51
      0
      it’s not pessimism. The most avid pessimist is just too cautious a pessimist.
      The conversation is that many here argue that the life of Ukrainians has been getting worse and worse for 23 years. The life of Ukrainians is no different from the life of the average citizens of the former Union. Maybe some live worse and some live normally. What is in Russia or in Azerbaijan , or in Kazakhstan all ride in oil? no. once again no. live like everyone else.
      therefore, he wrote on the top comment: how to live and with whom it is up to the citizens of Ukraine to decide, and not for us.
  29. duchy
    duchy 7 December 2013 17: 09
    0
    It is a sobering look at the current state of the situation with Ukraine. At least one was found throughout Geyrop. what
  30. sasska
    sasska 7 December 2013 17: 15
    +3
    Quote: Ptah
    Quote: sergey32
    German Foreign Minister

    Guido Westerwelle does not hide his addiction to the muscular overgrown male * opam. Or to the members ...
    Most likely the opposition in Ukraine tried to buy corny. As a sexual partner.


    It would be great if all supporters of joining Geyropa would use a sexual partner in this role. and - regularly.
    does not reach through the head - will come through the "back gate"
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 7 December 2013 18: 13
      +3
      Quote: sasska
      so that all supporters of joining Geyropa would use a sexual partner in this role
  31. wow
    wow 7 December 2013 18: 32
    +3
    Today, a lonely Toyota with a "united" Ukrainian-EU flag was driving around our town. Who remembers the events of three to five years ago - the pre-publisher of Georgia, Mr. Saakashvili, spoke "on TV under the same" united "flag of the EU-Georgia. So our toyotka drove, drove, a couple of times our citizens spat at it, and threw this the very little flag in the trash can That's the whole story!
    1. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 7 December 2013 19: 47
      +1
      When a wave of belolentochniks began to appear in the outback, they were standing at the bus station and handing out "signs of freedom" I saw the cygan came and took it away and threw it into the trash with a promise to lather its neck if it didn’t disappear! appear as if disappeared after 2 minutes!
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 21: 45
        +2
        Plus +++
  32. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 20: 58
    +2
    The point is not in some political weight, but in the fact that the system created as a counterweight to the USSR is collapsing.
    This whole multiculture was created as a counterargument to the Union. But the union then died !!!! And they continued to create, stupid people. This is the problem — they created a tool that has nothing to destroy but the creator. hi.
    1. vasiliysxx
      vasiliysxx 7 December 2013 22: 02
      0
      well, there’s nothing, they tried to ruin Russia, but it seems they’ve torn smile
  33. bagpipe
    bagpipe 7 December 2013 21: 30
    -3
    Take Nayukhovich yourself, if he is so dear to you) And in fact, according to the material - it means - the Frenchman "speaks clever things"? laughing and in the previous article, some expressed sympathy for Marinka le Pen, who at 45 looks 60, thanks to her tempestuous youth and drugs (do not be lazy, read the comments)))) well, she has such a business - to fuss about the "purity of the nation". Will give sympathizers a couple of euros, well, "Peugeot will buy" .... Well ???
    But I would like to ask - what is one of the members of the forum and expressing heard about French nationalism? Or about leaders - heroes? lol but there is nothing to say) there are the same heroes as goat-bearded Edichka Limonov. Show in Europe in the 20th century the figure of a nationalist? Here, besides Germany and Ukraine, there is nothing to say ... And all these approvals of the "couch" nationalists of France from the generals of the botanical troops from the Russian Federation are on the forum and disgusting to read
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 22: 02
      +2
      Of course, an artificial formation called the outskirts will die in the coming months.
      Each of the tribes will occupy a worthy place allotted to him by history.
    2. Don
      Don 9 December 2013 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: volynyaka
      and in the previous article, some expressed sympathy for Marinke le Pen, who at 45 looks 60,

      And here it is? For me it doesn’t look like 60.
      Quote: volynyaka
      thanks to the stormy youth and drugs (do not be lazy, read the comments))))

      Send essays?
      Quote: volynyaka
      Well, her business is like that - there is something to fuss about the "purity of the nation." Will give sympathizers a couple of euros, well, "Peugeot will buy" .... Well ???

      As for the "purity of the nation," your Svobydlovites are vornyakayut, and the National Front did not make such statements. They oppose the current European Union, its policy and French policy towards emigrants. And what kind of Eureka and Peugeot? What are you talking about? That this party does not have any tasks and ideology, and they only exist for the sake of handouts? Sane? For Marine Le Pen in the last presidential elections 20% of voters voted.
      Quote: volynyaka
      Show in Europe in the 20th century the figure of a nationalist? But besides Germany and Ukraine, there’s nothing to say

      Austria, Holland, Hungary, Greece, in the UK is gaining strength. And if you are not comfortable, we already live in the 21st. lol
  34. igor788
    igor788 7 December 2013 22: 14
    +3
    This is all the world Jewish mafia arranged, Putin will win
  35. vignat21
    vignat21 8 December 2013 00: 00
    +4
    “Kume, are you patriot?” Here for Rydnu nenka Ukraine you would sell a horse to a horse?
    - Avzhezh, Kume! That for Rydnu nenka Ukraine and the brandy is not a pity!
    - Ah, well done! For sho I believe you, kume, so for te, what are you patriot! And the axis, say: for Rydnu Nenko Ukraine would you use a cow viddala?
    - So augege! That reedna nenka Ukraine th cows do not mind!
    - Ah, well done! Ay patriot! But tell me, would you use a viddala for pigs?
    He already choked:
    - That you sho, kume! Of course I wouldn’t give it up! VONO W IN MENE E!
  36. sasska
    sasska 8 December 2013 00: 03
    +1
    Quote: Ptah

    Ludik is afraid to say bluntly that these problems are precisely from excessive multiculturalism and internationalism that has plagued everyone.

    he will also have his Breivik. not long left.