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Six great innovations embodied in the satellite Chang'e-3

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Six great innovations embodied in the satellite Chang'e-3

In 01: 30 December 2 from the Xichang Cosmodrome South-West China launched the moon satellite sounding system Chang'e-3 with the moon rover on board. It is expected that after the satellite’s launch into the circumlunar orbit, the “Yuytu” lunar rover “Jade hare”, designed and built by experts of the Chinese Academy of Space Technologies CACT, will make a “soft” landing around the Gulf of rainbow.


Scientists from KAKT the other day, in an interview with an agency correspondent, explained what technical difficulties had been overcome in creating the first Chinese lunar rover.

It is known that the Moon does not have an atmosphere, therefore the process of “landing on the moon” occurs in a completely different way than the “landing”. Therefore, only with the help of our own propulsion system, it is possible to ensure gradual and smooth deceleration of the spacecraft, the speed of which when approaching the moon, according to experts, is 1,7 km / sec.

At the same time, for a safe landing in the established zone, it is also necessary to precisely adjust the position of the apparatus, for which the onboard "Chang'e-3" is installed a variable-thrust engine in 7,5 kN, designed by Chinese experts.

Specialists in the homing, navigation and motion control system of the KAKT moon rover reported that special sensors would be able to measure the speed and distance from the lunar surface and recognize the terrain with high accuracy.

It is possible that the spacecraft will turn over from a strong impact at the time of landing on the lunar surface, which, in addition, is known to be covered with a thick layer of loose dust. Therefore, with the impact of the spacecraft, a huge amount of dust will undoubtedly be thrown upwards, which represents a threat to the further "journey" of the lunar rover. To overcome the above problems, the Yuuta moon walker is equipped with a shock absorber designed and manufactured using special technologies.

The temperature drops during the change of day and night on the surface of the moon are quite sharp: in the daytime the temperature reaches 150 degrees Celsius, and at night it drops to 180 degrees below zero. In this case, the specialists had to solve the problem of heating and cooling the onboard devices. According to the report, the Chang'e-3 satellite is equipped with a variable conduction heat pipe that has never been installed on other interplanetary vehicles before.

In addition to dust, there are stones and craters of various sizes on the lunar surface. Ensuring the "confident" motion of the moon rover was another of the main tasks in the development of the satellite. Reportedly, the “Yuytu” chassis consists of a suspension and a six-wheel driving part, which are capable of moving the lunar rover forward, backward, turning in place, and also having high throughput.

To ensure a long "journey" on the surface of the moon, reliable operation and safety of the moon rover, it is necessary to develop a system for remote control of the movement of the apparatus. Thanks to the efforts of specialists, this problem was solved in time. Scientists are confident that in a matter of days the onboard radio complexes of the moonwalker "Yuytu" will receive the first commands from the Earth.

According to the Xinhua News Agency
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  1. rugor
    rugor 6 December 2013 11: 12
    11
    Another swallow, or rather the jade hare of growing Chinese power. And who taught them everything? And most importantly, why?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 6 December 2013 11: 31
      29
      Quote: rugor
      And who taught them everything? And most importantly, why?

      They learn themselves, not hesitating to borrow other people's ideas and not paying attention to copyrights. And we distribute our own, but we are embarrassed to take someone else's. Therefore, our high technology is below the plinth, our electronics - one, two, and miscalculated. Navigator for the army is like a Mercedes.
      1. Civil
        Civil 6 December 2013 13: 07
        +2
        Chinese grandson of the Soviet lunar rover ...
        1. Airman
          Airman 6 December 2013 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Civil
          Chinese grandson of the Soviet lunar rover ...

          A copy of the Soviet (externally) with modern Chinese filling. Let's see how much it will work.
        2. AVV
          AVV 6 December 2013 22: 38
          +1
          The illegitimate grandson of the chocolate hare will plow the expanse of the Earth’s satellite, maybe our specialists will launch something there, or else China’s plans to be the first to start exploring the moon !!! Maybe the series of our failures when launching the spacecraft will stop? !!!
    2. APES
      APES 6 December 2013 11: 46
      15
      Six great innovations embodied


      tell at least about one?
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 6 December 2013 12: 25
        10
        Quote: APES
        tell at least about one?


        (+) boastful guys, but let's pay tribute, ambitious and hardworking
      2. HAM
        HAM 6 December 2013 13: 34
        +1
        In, I read, I read, but I didn’t subtract a single one, only the wheels vaguely resemble something.
      3. Airman
        Airman 6 December 2013 15: 08
        0
        Quote: APES
        Six great innovations embodied


        tell at least about one?

        Using photographs from old newspapers, recreate a self-propelled cart if its drawings were not sold for candy wrappers.
      4. postman
        postman 6 December 2013 15: 30
        +8
        Quote: APES
        tell at least about one?

        1.- "bottom" radar, which allows you to study the structure of the soil to a depth of about 30 m and the crust of the Moon to a mark of several hundred meters.
        2.- Near-UV optical telescope for astronomical observations, the objects of which will be double stars, short-period variables, active galactic nuclei, etc. (on the landing module)
        3.-will be able to act in for three consecutive months.
        4.-manipulator with sensors of the alpha-x-ray spectrometer and infrared spectrometer
        5. UV short-wave camera for observing the earth's ionosphere in the 30,4 nm band (on the landing module)
        6.-heat pipe of variable conductivity
        7.-CCD panoramic camera
        8.-the first Chinese (!) "Lunar rover":

        and the difference (from the USSR or the USA) is

        9.- let's see what he "does" with the solution of the riddle of "riding stones"

        From the standpoint of the vacuum form of life, the stones of the riders are cubs hatched by their parents, therefore, must be everywhere. wink
        The Chinese "lunar rover" will EXACTLY EXPLORE THE MOON:
        the main task of Lunokhod did not have the goal of exploring the lunar surface, the main thing was moving to the greatest distance (a record of range!). Therefore, when approaching the clusters of stones, which surprisingly often appeared at the direction of movement, both Lunokhods, instead of approaching and lingering for the study, for which time is necessary, instead, both Lunokhods went ahead in advance to go around the object of study as an annoying let. In fact, the looped path of the Lunokhods was connected precisely with the goal of circumventing what, it would seem, on the contrary, should have been the subject of a search. There were surprisingly many interesting things on the Lunokhod’s path, but all these curious objects only annoyed the team of riders, not only stones, literally everything that met on the way prevented forward movement.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 6 December 2013 17: 26
          +1
          Quote: Postman
          Chinese "lunar rover" will EXACTLY EXPLORE THE MOON

          Dear Postman, 2 questions to you (but not about Lunokhod smile )
          1) Is it true that for the terraforming of Mars, the Moon is required as an intermediate base?
          2) Is it true that the main obstacle to this process is the state of the core of Mars?
          1. postman
            postman 6 December 2013 19: 04
            +3
            Quote: Odyssey
            Dear Postman to you

            eeee ...
            Well, I'm not a selenologist and not a terraformologist after all .. winked
            More information can be obtained here:

            or the Saudis with the Emirates

            I will try to assume:
            1. If humanity possesses ENERGIES of such a level that it allows itself to terraform Mars, it is unlikely that it (humanity) will need the Moon as an intermediate base. Although, with a high degree of probability, the Moon will already be "terraformed" by this time:

            2. About the core, did you probably mean gravity or its temperature?
            More information about the terraforming of Mars is here (though in English)
            http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mfogg/zubrin.htm
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    4. askort154
      askort154 6 December 2013 12: 38
      10
      rugor ... Another swallow, or rather the jade hare of growing Chinese power. And who taught them everything? And most importantly, why?

      We also started with trophy V-2s. We took 11 units and about 2 hundreds of engineers from Germany. We created the Kapustin Yar test site and in 1947 began to launch launches. Of 11, nine were successful.
      And after 10 years - the world's first "Sputnik" of the Earth. And after 4 more, the first man in Space. We also, from 4 American B-29s, launched their copy, Tu-4, into production.
      (but then the “despot” Stalin was at the helm!) The main thing is not only to “commune” the progressive, but just as important not to stop there.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 6 December 2013 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: askort154
        It’s important not to dwell on this.

        good
    5. Army1
      Army1 6 December 2013 13: 52
      +5
      Urgently Gorbachev to China.
      1. mvg
        mvg 6 December 2013 14: 41
        +1
        a little plastic on the face (squint your eyes a little) and go, otherwise their economy is behaving incorrectly
      2. sergius60
        sergius60 8 December 2013 12: 55
        0
        Late. The now former governor of Liaoning Province was multiplied by zero at last year's CPC convention. Och-chen under Mishutu mowed. Xi Jin Ping is the winner. We didn't have our own "Siny". request
    6. lilit.193
      lilit.193 6 December 2013 14: 42
      +2
      Quote: rugor
      Another swallow, or rather a jade hare

      It's good that not a "jade pillar".
      1. clidon
        clidon 6 December 2013 15: 13
        +2
        According to legend, the jade hare lives on the moon - he is an eternal laborer, a “zealous hare”, who from morning to night interprets the potion of immortality in the jade mortar, which the heavenly gods themselves then give to the afflicted. This hare is a “wonderful doctor” and the savior of all sick people, prolonging life for people and animals. Protector of all suffering beings on the planet.
    7. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 6 December 2013 16: 19
      +3
      Hi, What can I say Well done, We now somehow calmly relate to such news, And before, Yes, and now we have learned to help, They have their own program, Yes, we once had authority in this industry, But tell us your achievements which country it relies on, Over the past 3 years we have been faced with strange failures, Commercial launches are more successful than purely Russian ones, Every country has space exploration failures, But we have very sensitive ones, The Martian program has been covered and this one preparation of the equipment lasts more than one year , The last flight of the truck went under a noisy campaign, as if it were an achievement, For a simple layman, just an ordinary launch, What to celebrate, And somehow - the launch of a Chinese bunny almost didn’t noticeably follow, It’s not very advertised for us, the Chinese space exploration program is still without such failures as ours, I carefully watched the reports of the Chinese cosmonauts, The first flew ours with might and main noisy oh sucks twenty years ago e such devices flew with us, It seemed to me as a simple layman looking at the frames, When the next ones flew, they were silent and the third launch, the device inside was not the same as ours, Of course, any country takes into account the experience of others, but space itself makes such requirements for the devices that they become almost similar, We somehow chatted around the box that the Moon program is being prepared, now the Moon begins to come to the fore it is where engineers and many more specialists from various scientific fields will be worked out and gain experience, Already without space research representatives of many professions don’t think about their work and the pace will increase, And to be honest, I’m happy for the Chinese; the Moon research program is also interesting and original and there are no glitches, Only the joy is mixed with bitterness that we still do not have an original working Moon research program,
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    9. CHILD
      CHILD 6 December 2013 17: 57
      0
      Lunokhod is not a jade member for you ... I'm afraid not to play music for long ....
      1. postman
        postman 6 December 2013 21: 31
        +2
        Quote: KIND
        .. I'm afraid not to play music for long ....

        Estimated time of OFFLINE work on the lunar surface: 3 (THREE!) months.
        1. Deniska
          Deniska 9 December 2013 15: 36
          0
          Their radars should also work for 7 years without repair ...
          1. postman
            postman 9 December 2013 18: 12
            0
            Quote: Deniska
            must work for 7 years without repair ...

            what kind?
            1. Satellites working on the Google Earth project found a new ballistic missile early warning radar (BMEW) near the western border of China.
            2. Technical Report APA-TR-2009-0103





            3. The new Chinese radar, the alleged analogue of 64N6E2
    10. avkeys
      avkeys 6 December 2013 20: 17
      +2
      In general, as I think, one should be happy with such events, and try to do together something at least for the development of a common civilization. Not all the same, just think about how to scare each other. Although, to my deep regret, now without this it is impossible in any way
  2. A.YARY
    A.YARY 6 December 2013 11: 13
    +3
    It's good that the "Jade Hare" and not the "Jade Stalk" !!!!! laughing

    With the humor of the Chinese, everything is in order.
    1. Igorisep900
      Igorisep900 6 December 2013 11: 43
      +2
      And he must have a hare))
  3. Odysseus
    Odysseus 6 December 2013 11: 20
    0
    All this, of course, is wonderful, the Chinese are great, but the final meaning of the Chinese lunar program is not entirely clear to me.
    It would be super cool (both from a technical and ideological point of view) if they were the first to fly to Mars, while having the ultimate goal of terraforming Mars.
    The moon has already passed the stage. Why the Chinese need it is unclear.
    1. A.YARY
      A.YARY 6 December 2013 11: 23
      +1
      ODYSSEUS
      Believe me, they will make a launch pad on the moon and begin the screwdriver assembly of rockets to launch into the rest of space laughing
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 6 December 2013 11: 29
        +9
        Quote: A.YARY
        Believe me, they will make a launch pad on the moon and begin the screwdriver assembly of rockets to launch into the rest of space

        Ooh, moving all production from China to the moon is a great idea smile
        Imagine how people go shopping and curse, damn it, do not take everything on the moon done)))
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 6 December 2013 11: 51
          +6
          Quote: Odyssey
          Ooh, moving all production from China to the moon is a great idea
          Imagine how people go shopping and curse, damn it, do not take everything on the moon done

          There you don’t have to pay taxes, and yet it costs 63 chat rooms, they will buy air (33 chat rooms) and they will crush all competitors!
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 6 December 2013 12: 35
            0
            Quote: Ivan.
            and it costs 63 chatl so far,

            And by the way, not a fact. In my opinion, some cunning people are already doing business selling sites on the moon. And not at all for chat rooms)))
            1. Encoder
              Encoder 6 December 2013 13: 56
              0
              In, in and where the Chinese flew. And if there are already columns around - type is forbidden, private property. Either the Chinese have bought their land there or they will be on the road.
    2. Onyx
      Onyx 6 December 2013 11: 24
      +1
      Quote: Odyssey
      The moon has already passed the stage. Why the Chinese need it is unclear.

      What do you mean why? One and a half billion Chinese are already crowded in China. So they are looking for where to go laughing
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 6 December 2013 11: 34
        0
        Quote: Onyx
        What do you mean why? One and a half billion Chinese are already crowded in China. So they are looking for where to go

        Duc, for this they just need Mars. It’s much easier to terraform it, but on the Moon you’ll keep the atmosphere))
        Well, in general, I’m even glad that they flooded the moon. We’ve just missed the Chinese Mars smile
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 6 December 2013 11: 41
          +2
          Chinese Mars Energy Bar !! wassat
          The Jade Condom will fly to the moon next
          Or "Reservative" I do not remember how correctly?
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 7 December 2013 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: A.YARY
            The Jade Condom will fly to the moon next
            Or "Reservative" I do not remember how correctly?

            That's an infection! Five minutes neighing ...
            So I didn't understand the ending !? Like, this next "Jade ..." will be completely (more precisely, under a rubber tie) filled with lard of little Chinese ???
            Vesch !!! Be sure to buy a telescope, where to watch the fun! Local sleepwalkers or luntics (I don’t know how to do it right) are obsessed by such a greyhound!

        2. Encoder
          Encoder 6 December 2013 13: 59
          0
          Give it to us immediately Jupiter - we are used to the space. And the Chinese and on the moon will attach themselves well - familiar to crowding.
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 6 December 2013 12: 09
        +1
        Quote: Onyx
        One and a half billion Chinese are already crowded in China. So they are looking for where to go

        Thanks for the clarification. Now it’s clear why Amers is so drawn to Mars! laughing
    3. clidon
      clidon 6 December 2013 12: 15
      +1
      Are you sure of our time? Of course, the moon is already crossed across across what to do there ...
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 6 December 2013 12: 30
        +1
        Quote: clidon
        Of course, the whole moon has already been crossed across, what to do there ...

        The final goal is unclear. The Americans flew to the Moon primarily for reasons of prestige, that is, the Chinese will not be the first. For colonization, the Moon is less promising than Mars. Pure scientific research can be carried out without a moon landing.
        Quote: clidon
        Are you sure of our time?

        Is not a fact...
        1. Encoder
          Encoder 6 December 2013 14: 05
          +1
          So far, even on Earth, without a human being, we cannot really research anything. And it is not science that drives such projects. And how do you like an unsinkable missile carrier constantly hanging over your head? Or secret laboratories guarded by space itself, or else what the military can come up with.
        2. stas52
          stas52 6 December 2013 14: 13
          0
          The Chinese announced their ultimate goal, they talked about it on TV, research on the subject of minerals, in my rare earths, and in the future their extraction. The US was against this flight, but could not do anything.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 6 December 2013 23: 39
            0
            Quote: stas52
            The US was against this flight, but could not do anything.


            Infa that the Americans flew to the moon only in Hollywood films of dubious injury, when it falls into the hands of Chinese comrades, the thing is very effective.
    4. VEKT
      VEKT 6 December 2013 12: 44
      +5
      Without an intermediate base on the moon, the terraforming of Mars is not possible, because of low gravity, launching spacecraft into deep space from the Moon is not as energy-intensive as from the Earth, moreover, if the technology for obtaining energy from helium 3 is created, the moon will turn into a second Kuwait. and the one who gets to her first will collect the cream. The Chinese think 100 years ahead and, as Confucius said, "A journey of a thousand li begins with one step." China has taken this step.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 6 December 2013 13: 01
        +1
        Quote: VEKT
        Without an intermediate base on the moon, the terraforming of Mars is not possible

        That is, the colonization of the moon is required? Hmm, I didn’t know, thanks. Why then do the Americans not show interest in this?
        By the way, as far as I understand the main problem in the terraforming of Mars is its frozen core?
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 6 December 2013 13: 18
          +4
          Quote: Odyssey
          . Why, then, the Americans do not show interest in this?

          Even we show, at least at the media level :)

          Quote: Odyssey
          The main problem in terraforming Mars is its frozen core?

          Our knowledge of the bowels of the Earth deeper than 12 m is quite theoretical, there is nothing to say about Mars.
          The main problem in terraforming planets is human laziness and greed.
          Ray Bradbury.
          “People are the idiots. They did a lot of stupid things: they came up with costumes for dogs, the position of an advertising manager and things like an iPhone, receiving nothing in return except for a sour aftertaste. Humanity has been given the opportunity to surf the cosmos, but it wants to engage in consumption - to drink beer and watch TV shows. ”

          And you're talking about the frozen core of the bike ...
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 6 December 2013 17: 11
            +1
            Quote: bot.su
            The main problem in terraforming planets is human laziness and greed.

            I sin more on the social system.
            Quote: bot.su
            Even we show, at least at the media level :)

            We now have other "tasks" testing "innovations" in Skolkovo and landing Serdyukov crying
            What is the moon ...
            Quote: bot.su
            And you're talking about the frozen core of the bike.

            No, it’s like it’s because of him there is something wrong with the magnetic field. I’ll go ask the Postman. This terrible person probably knows more about the Martian nucleus than the Martians themselves smile
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 7 December 2013 00: 56
              0
              Quote: Odyssey
              I sin more on the social system.

              Social order is determined by the desire and determination of society to defeat their laziness and greed.

              Quote: Odyssey
              We now have other "tasks" testing "innovations" in Skolkovo and landing Serdyukov crying
              What is the moon ...

              Nevertheless, there are plans to send probes to explore the Moon in 15, and after 20 to send lunar rovers and start creating lunar stations. However, the verification of Skolkovo's "innovations" also began with plans to create a Skolkovo innovation center. smile Let's see what the plans for the exploration of the moon will lead to. what

              Quote: Odyssey
              No, it’s for sure, because of him there is something wrong with the magnetic field

              There is something wrong with the magnetic field, but this is the big question!
              Kernel problems are just one of the most likely hypotheses.
    5. slovak007
      slovak007 6 December 2013 13: 16
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      The moon has already passed the stage. Why the Chinese need it is unclear

      In terms of ballistics and energy consumption, the Moon is a convenient transshipment point for deep space exploration.
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 6 December 2013 17: 40
        +4
        How is it a passed stage, Who worked out who created the technology that you can move on, the Moon presents so many problems to technology and to all our innovations that your head will spin, It is here that those technologies that will fly further will be tested, the Moon presents the requirements of stay beyond the limits of our point of view on it, natural space conditions but cannot exist there, there are no projects of habitable modules in the sea, but there is only one other place to check the functionality in natural space on the ISS, many types of technologies are being developed there, and much more, that the moon passed the stage is a deep error, a boy can say so but not a husband, Even here, transport workers often start off to the ISS, It says something, Yes, there are no breakthrough technologies so far, the Yankees simply understood from their own experience that a short stay on the Moon even carries so many problems that at that time they could not be solved, so many years have passed and so far there is no success, And the people dream of visiting on the Moon, Probably somewhere in the genes there is a memory of space, because we look at the sky, we dream and some also write normal novels about such close and very distant stars, There is something in our soul that makes us look at the stars and the Moon that pure elusive beyond our control that makes us dream of them,
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 6 December 2013 18: 29
          0
          Quote: igor.borov775
          How is this stage passed, By who worked out who created the technology that you can move on, the Moon presents so many problems to technology and to all our innovations that the head will spin,

          All this, of course, is true, but one can also say about Mars, but only in the case of it is the moral and political gain (primacy) much more and the ultimate goal (colonization and subsequent terraforming) understandable.
          However, a lot of ideas for the "application" of the moon have already been sketched.
          1) Minerals in general
          2) Separately Helium-3
          3) Military base
          4) Transshipment point before flights to deep space.
          5) The transshipment point before flying to Mars is necessary for its terraforming.
          So I'm embarrassed shut up smile
    6. fzr1000
      fzr1000 6 December 2013 13: 39
      +1
      I answer you with the words of the media. It is clear that this is far from all true, even so far funny, but ...

      China plans to build a missile base on the moon, with which it will be possible to hit targets on Earth. The PRC authorities expect to implement such a project by 2050, the newspaper said. The Beijing Times.

      The publication refers to a source in the China National Space Administration. According to an anonymous expert of the department, it is planned to turn the natural satellite of the Earth into a deadly weapon that can hit any target on our planet.

      Both Chinese and foreign journalists are already comparing the military project of the Celestial Empire with the "Death Star" - a combat space station in the fictional universe of "Star Wars". She was equipped with energy weapons of extreme destructive power, capable of destroying entire planets.

      In addition, the Chinese military plan to build weapons test sites on the moon. They intend to use the Earth’s satellite as the base from which spacecraft will go into deep space, according to media reports.
      1. Encoder
        Encoder 6 December 2013 14: 10
        +1
        And here is a confirmation of what I said earlier. And if besides rockets there will also be lasers (they don’t give a damn about ballistics), then this is serious.
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 6 December 2013 17: 15
        0
        Quote: fzr1000
        In addition, the Chinese military plan to build weapons test sites on the moon. They intend to use the Earth’s satellite as the base from which spacecraft will go into deep space, according to media reports.

        Estimate how much such a polygon will cost ... As for the "death star" smiled))
        As for deep space, then to him as to the moon .... the idea of ​​an intermediate stage before Mars looks more reasonable.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 6 December 2013 21: 42
          0
          I think that in this case, cost is important for China, but not in the first place. And not in 5 years they plan to master the moon. Wait and see.
  4. alex-kon
    alex-kon 6 December 2013 11: 40
    0
    All the same, he reminds me of something. Really the Chinese experts borrowed something from someone? laughing
    1. VEKT
      VEKT 6 December 2013 13: 46
      +2
      They "borrowed" and launched, but ours created and forgotten.
  5. Ivan.
    Ivan. 6 December 2013 11: 46
    +3
    Great are only discoveries that turn around the worldview. INN OVATIONS - DAMAGED Russian language, they do not have enough Russian words + to the subcortex a good attitude to iin (individual carrier number) is programmed. I did not read!
  6. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 6 December 2013 11: 51
    +1
    The Han people can only have two innovations - "well copied" and "poorly copied" ...
  7. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 6 December 2013 12: 05
    +5
    I have a direct nostalgia for youth, I remember exactly the same article in the Technique of Youth. And I remember the experienced pride in the country, apparently the Chinese youth are now in seventh heaven and it does not matter that this is a repeat of 40 years ago.
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 6 December 2013 14: 15
      +4
      It’s definitely not important for them - this is the first time for China. Yes, if we were now flying freely to Mars, we could look at them from high, otherwise we can’t repeat it anymore. And here they are flying, but we are not - sad.
  8. Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky 6 December 2013 12: 05
    0
    Coffee table laughing in space. Better a panda in a spacesuit would be sent.
  9. Sochi
    Sochi 6 December 2013 12: 06
    -1
    Chet running strongly resembles our lunar rover ... it seems all the documentation is stolen. And then what they are talking about - so it's been a long time at school ...
    1. slovak007
      slovak007 6 December 2013 22: 28
      +1
      They have not only a running gear similar, but also parts of the launcher (launch vehicle), and the descent vehicle. Well, probably this is not surprisingly studied, then they are in our universities. I still remember the flow of Chinese at my faculty.
  10. major071
    major071 6 December 2013 12: 17
    +6
    I read the article and went a little crazy, there are written common truths about the moon, which we have at school, and this "jade hare" is something very reminiscent of the Soviet lunar rover. Long Live New Chinese Innovation! fellow
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 6 December 2013 12: 24
      +1
      Aha news with a "Chinese smell" of 43 years old ... in 1970 the first Soviet lunar rover.
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 6 December 2013 13: 02
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Ulyanovsky
        Coffee table laughing in space. Better a panda in a spacesuit would be sent.



        Quote: major071
        there are written common truths about the moon, which we pass at school, and this "jade hare" is something very reminiscent of the Soviet lunar rover



        Quote: Sochi
        in 1970 the first Soviet lunar rover


        And when was the last Soviet one? Do you know that the first Russian moon rovers will hit the moon after 2020? So, if everything goes as it should, then when we land on the moon there will already smell like a strong Chinese spirit.
        1. Encoder
          Encoder 6 December 2013 14: 17
          +1
          There everything will be planted with rice.
  11. bubla5
    bubla5 6 December 2013 12: 21
    +1
    Even let them carefully put them on the surface, and then they will boast of technology, a couple of three moon rovers must be lost in order to get excellent results
  12. ReifA
    ReifA 6 December 2013 12: 23
    +2
    About the moon have already been written on the site, helium. Because of the prospect of helium mining, the moon is important. Also as a transfer point or instead of an orbital station. Yes, there are many applications, there would be a desire, but an opportunity.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 6 December 2013 12: 32
      +2
      Quote: ReifA
      Because of the prospect of helium mining, the moon is important.

      Eeee, what about profitability?
      Quote: ReifA
      Also as a transfer point or instead of an orbital station

      Theoretically possible, but something like a lunar base will need to be built.
  13. Indifferent
    Indifferent 6 December 2013 12: 36
    +3
    The Chinese have stripped us of everything! And we had two Lunokhods driving there for quite a while! I am sure that there were no Americans on the moon. And our Lunokhods are the only cars that traveled there. In the coming years, it will still be clear! And then it becomes clear who is the first on the moon!
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 6 December 2013 12: 53
      +6
      Amer was not there.
      All the astronauts "who have been to the moon" are Masons, who did not hold their tongues well, they killed ...
      The Saturn rocket does not fly (lies in the museum)) and, surprisingly, not a single emergency, everything went smoothly and successfully (as in Hollywood action films))))
      And complete oblivion, even the documentation was not preserved on the engines and rocket)))
      with a z o h n and to and
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 6 December 2013 13: 21
        +3
        and what is surprising, not a single emergency, everything went smoothly and successfully (as in Hollywood action films

        Well, it’s already proved that they flew. Pictures of the landing sites confirm this. But what about Apollo 13? They could not sit down, they miraculously returned home alive.
        1. Encoder
          Encoder 6 December 2013 14: 28
          +1
          And the very silence of the USSR on this subject does not prove this. Do not hesitate if you didn’t fly, but announced that we would fly a lot of noise.
      2. Encoder
        Encoder 6 December 2013 14: 24
        +1
        Yes there were, of course, only now not everything shows what exactly was shot there, but this is as usual.
    2. Encoder
      Encoder 6 December 2013 14: 22
      +1
      Do not insult the possibilities of that USSR. It was a race, competition, almost a war, and if the Americans weren’t there they would have immediately poked their nose (or do you think that they could not see or hear the USSR?), And not in 20 years they came up with some sort of canoe.
  14. Wedmak
    Wedmak 6 December 2013 12: 38
    +2
    Something that reminds me. Reports of the USSR on the five-year plan or something .... We all decided! All nishtyak! There were problems, but we successfully solved them! New technologies have been applied! Yes, they decided!
    And ... not a single technical description! And the lunar rover itself looks as if it had been assembled in a barn from what they could find in the same barn.
  15. Altona
    Altona 6 December 2013 13: 01
    0
    The description of the lunar rover, especially if it allegedly turns over and springs, is one to one similar to our automatic stations of the middle of the last century ... I wrote last time that this is basically a "jade phallus", in the sense of almost nothing new, they just grew computer technology, video, solar panels, motors can be more economical and better ...
  16. Black
    Black 6 December 2013 13: 10
    +1
    It seems that I am reading material from the 60s. From the era before. But what a cloud of dust !! ?? Regalite is not very dusty.
  17. brainkiller
    brainkiller 6 December 2013 13: 17
    +2
    Quote: clidon
    Are you sure of our time? Of course, the moon is already crossed across across what to do there ...

    like what? and stick a flag?
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 6 December 2013 13: 23
      +2
      Quote: brainkiller
      like what? and stick a flag?

      late, already stuck. at least the opposite has not been proved.
  18. yan
    yan 6 December 2013 13: 38
    +2
    learned, transferred technology and everything on their own. Expansion at the doorstep. The main thing is not to have to cry because of the "triumph of Chinese engineering"
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 6 December 2013 19: 14
      +3
      GENTLEMEN WHAT WE HELPED FOR, WHEN SOMETHING FOR A LONG TIME HAVE HELP LONG LONG FOR HERE YEARS HAPPENED HERE, PLEASE HELPED THESE PEOPLE, THE CHINESE NATIONAL PROGRAM HERE, IN 70-80G ONLY IN A DARKNESS I HAVE AN IMPORTANT MEAN its great hiking, will now be reproached similar to ours, look out the Window There's a lot of passenger cars if you look closely we can say similar, but they are different brands and countries, are simply COSMOS such demands that all units' something vaguely similar, this simply means WHAT OUR PRODUCT THE LUNOHODER HAS BEEN MAKED BY GENIENT PEOPLE, REPRESENT WHICH PEOPLE WORKED THEN, THEY FIRST TIME FOUND A UNIQUE MOBILE PLATFORM IF IT LATER AFTER YEARS AFTER YEARS HAS BEEN MADE HAS BEEN DEMANDED,
  19. tnship2
    tnship2 6 December 2013 14: 30
    -2
    How interesting everything is written. The Chinese genius jumped us all. These great aerospace problems were solved by the great Korolev in the last century.
  20. Nikita_Pilot
    Nikita_Pilot 6 December 2013 14: 52
    0
    Xerexen!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 6 December 2013 19: 06
      +1
      If you take colored paper
      Pen, scissors and glue
      And a little more courage
      You can make a hundred rubles ...
  21. Lumumba
    Lumumba 6 December 2013 15: 33
    +1
    ... on the moon helium-3 ...

    Undoubtedly, only there are some nuances:
    “There will be about a bucket of this helium-3 per cubic kilometer of lunar rock.” And now we present a cubic kilometer of rock, the necessary equipment for its extraction, the cost thereof and the cost of at least its delivery to the moon.
    - At the current level of development of thermonuclear energy, there is also no talk even of theoretical prerequisites for the possibility of practical application of thermonuclear reactions involving helium-3. Even too early to speak about the general level of development thereof. While ITER will be completed, while experiments begin, until then, until now ... At least 40 years.

    I have an opinion that China is not eager for exploration on the moon. And for example, in order to find a place to build a military base with nuclear warheads, it is very possible completely autonomous. Such a base can be used to hold any point of our ball at gunpoint, with guaranteed delivery of the warhead to its destination, if necessary, bypassing any existing air defense systems. A warhead flying at a speed of, say, 50 km / s is not capable of knocking down even one, even the most advanced air defense system. Similar projects were in the United States and in the Soviet Union, but in the United States it was decided that it was much more efficient to build democracies in the banana-oil republics and other Syria, and the Union would live a long time.

    If this is the case, then within the next 10 years, China will launch launch vehicles suspiciously similar to our Energia (since it will take a huge carrying capacity to deliver the base components) to the moon. And then China will be close to world domination. China can dictate any terms, even America.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 6 December 2013 18: 10
      +1
      And the navel will not unleash world hegemony on itself to drag? .. wink

      "Great" China from the "Jade Hare".
  22. VADEL
    VADEL 6 December 2013 15: 36
    +1
    "... designed and built by the Chinese Academy of Space Technology KAKT ...", "... designed by the Chinese specialists ..."
    They made fun. Thank!
    1. clidon
      clidon 6 December 2013 16: 50
      +2
      Once upon a time, everyone laughed at the Japanese ...
      1. VADEL
        VADEL 6 December 2013 18: 16
        0
        Laughter prolongs life. laughing But some Russian scientists involved in space development in prisons were not laughing. In the 90s we talked with fraternal Chinese experts (there was no ban), and in the 2000s they changed the secrecy under investigation). Here, as it were. And sad and ....
        1. clidon
          clidon 6 December 2013 20: 50
          +1
          Of course, at first everyone tried to communicate with those who already possess knowledge in the area of ​​interest, but then they learn to do everything themselves.
  23. spirit
    spirit 6 December 2013 17: 21
    +2
    The lunatics are sitting and thinking))))) first a bucket flew in, then a lot of buckets flew in and they were all different. then they flew by themselves, trodden down, burned, drapanuli))) after the bucket, but more advanced flew past (thank God they were behind good ) !!! and here AGAIN !!!!! 1 BUCKET arrived. fool
  24. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 December 2013 17: 51
    +3
    And yet the good fellows are the Chinese ..! hardworking people .. While we are in the world "show-off" .. They work and work (not disdaining anything ..) the end justifies the means (they will multiply on the moon so soon ..))) laughing And we are looking for an idea .. and who is to blame .. crying
  25. Radoslav
    Radoslav 6 December 2013 19: 11
    +1
    This is not a Chinese satellite flying, but the Russian-Chinese, in the ratio of 95 percent to five.
  26. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 December 2013 19: 21
    0
    Quote: Radoslav
    This is not a Chinese satellite flying, but the Russian-Chinese, in the ratio of 95 percent to five.

    Well naturally. Who argues ..! Our technologies (old) are being mastered! It means that we are dear to Mars .. or maybe further ..
    1. clidon
      clidon 6 December 2013 20: 53
      0
      But do not argue in vain. I think that there are relatively few Russian technologies in this bunny.
  27. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 6 December 2013 20: 09
    +1
    Quote: rugor
    And who taught them everything?

    Russia / USA ... 50/50 (look at the lunar rover carefully. First on the chassis, then on the hull)
  28. Megre
    Megre 6 December 2013 21: 13
    +2
    Chinas are becoming stronger, and we ......... hold the Olympics. Where are the fortified areas on the border with China ?! Where are the tank armies ?! Where are the nuclear tactical mines ?! Two dozen aircraft, several hundred tanks. The Chinese army is 80% armed with our weapons. There are real traitors in the Kremlin. It seems that they are specially strengthening the Chinese army. I am ashamed of my ancestors. Who conquered such territory for us. And it is a pity and pain for the soldiers and officers who, in the event of a war with China, will fight and die. In the Soviet Union, with the strongest fortified areas, with mobile armies, they understood that the Chinese could be stopped with the greatest exertion of forces and casualties. The final trump card we had was a nuclear shield. And now these tricks are not a fact that they dare to use it. Putin doesn’t need to conduct thieving Olympiads, but build fortified districts. Until it's not too late.........
    1. I think so
      I think so 6 December 2013 21: 54
      -4
      Paranoia is a mental illness manifested in a persecution mania ... it seems to the patient that everyone or someone is persecuting him or trying to cause harm ...
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        1. alex86
          alex86 6 December 2013 22: 39
          +1
          Quote: Megrae
          Kitayozam 5000 years

          I completely agree that for them our 70 years of Soviet power, and the entire cultural revolution is one moment in history, they will completely sit out us "on the shore, waiting for the corpse of the enemy to float past." And with us, many all live in the feeling "Moscow-Beijing are brothers forever". And they, if they want, will simply swallow us, but we will not utter a word - we will be afraid. One hope is that it is easier for them to absorb us by creeping expansion, and maybe there will be our Deng Xiao Ping, who will raise Russia. (Who doesn't like it, let it be the new Stolypin or Peter the First)
  29. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 December 2013 22: 21
    +2
    Everything is already. They announced that moon exploration and exploration programs are hiding. This is their first and last flight to the moon. Perestroika is with them.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 6 December 2013 23: 41
      +1
      DOES ON THE MOON REALLY SOMEONE LIVES))))))
      S U R Y Z N S Y
      1. nazgul-ishe
        nazgul-ishe 7 December 2013 11: 35
        +1
        Not just serious, responsible !!
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  30. voliador
    voliador 7 December 2013 00: 52
    0
    All this is done by the Chinas thanks to our scientists, whom they lured to themselves back in the 90s.
    1. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 7 December 2013 11: 38
      +1
      But on their machines and their technology.
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  31. gridasov
    gridasov 7 December 2013 12: 57
    0
    It is very difficult to talk about any technical progress. For example, when landing, you can use the simplest device for transforming a longitudinal force vector into a radial one. That is, any shock moment can be transformed into a radial force absorbing the first. By the way, this method is little used in terrestrial conditions. But in vain. The second one. temperature differences are positive factors that can also be used as potential differences in the corresponding circuit. Dust conditions are also effectively used to ionize the surface and generate energy.
  32. saag
    saag 7 December 2013 13: 39
    +1
    Quote: Lumumba
    Such a base can be used to hold any point of our ball at gunpoint, with guaranteed delivery of the warhead to its destination, if necessary, bypassing any existing air defense systems. A warhead flying at a speed of, say, 50 km / s is not capable of knocking down even one, even the most advanced air defense system.

    It's funny where you take such speeds of 50 km / s between the Moon and the Earth, here the third space is 17 km / s, and secondly a nuclear warhead flying from the Moon to the Earth for three days (from the second space) to shoot down like from a nefig, also coffee will have time to drink
    The moon is good as a space shipyard for space, but there’s nothing to catch on Mars, for example, Titan, there’s at least hydrocarbons there, again the Asteroid belt can serve as a source of materials, you need to send finished high-tech products to the earth, such as instruments and some materials that impossible to obtain in terrestrial conditions
  33. Michael_59
    Michael_59 7 December 2013 20: 21
    +3
    But it was not necessary to buy their jeans ...
    1. alex86
      alex86 7 December 2013 21: 28
      +1
      As for jeans, we recently bought an I-beam - so already hire from China - judging by the neat sticker. And this is with our metal facilities ...
  34. saag
    saag 8 December 2013 10: 11
    +1
    Quote: alex86
    And this is with our metal facilities ...

    At the Zlatoust Metallurgical Combine, job cuts by about 2000, such are the things, the impression is that the USSR-2 is China, and not what the GDP is trying to create. It may cost to establish a challenge Red Banner, with the inscription "The best USSR of the century"
  35. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2013 11: 15
    0
    Kissing the Chinese "jade phallus" remind you:
    "Venus"

    A series of Soviet automatic interplanetary spacecraft (AMS) for studying the planet Venus and outer space. The harsh conditions on Venus, as well as the initial lack of reliable information about temperature and pressure, complicated the process of exploring the planet. The descent vehicles of the first series even had a buoyancy margin. Their first flights were unsuccessful - these were the first automatic interplanetary flights in the history of mankind. In the future, the USSR managed to achieve success in the study of Venus AMS so much that it began to be called the "Russian planet."

    The first flight near Venus took place in January 1961. Venus-3 reached its surface on March 1, 1966 and became the first artificial object on the surface of Venus. Discoveries

    "Venus-4" in October 1967 delivered a spherical descent vehicle to Venus. Information was received that at an altitude of 25 km the temperature of the atmosphere of Venus is 271 ° C, and the pressure is 17-20 atmospheres. It was found that the atmosphere of Venus is 90% carbon dioxide. The hydrogen corona of Venus was discovered. Before the flight of Venus-4, it was believed that the pressure on the surface of Venus is 10 atmospheres, but the processing of data from Venus-4 showed that the pressure on it is about 100 atmospheres. New data were obtained on the structure of plasma flows (solar wind) near Venus. In March 1972, a soft landing was made on the Venus-8 apparatus on the day side of Venus. The illumination on the surface of the planet was measured for the first time (it turned out to be the same as on Earth on a cloudy day), the ammonia concentration was measured at altitudes of 33 and 46 km, and the soil of another planet was first studied using a gamma-ray spectrometer. Venera-9 ”and“ Venera-10 ”in October 1975 landed on the day side of the planet at a distance of about 2 thousand km from each other. 2 minutes after landing, the transmission of a television panorama began. These were the first photos in the world transmitted from the surface of another planet. Soil density and the content of natural radioactive elements were measured. The transmission of information from the descent vehicle lasted 53 minutes. The stations continued their flight, entering the two-day, strongly elongated elliptical orbits of Venus and, thus, became the first artificial satellites of Venus in the world. In 1982, color images of the planet's surface were first obtained.

    A further continuation of the Venus program in the USSR was the Vega program for the study of Venus (probes in the atmosphere), as well as Halley's comet.