Six great innovations embodied in the satellite Chang'e-3

In 01: 30 December 2 from the Xichang Cosmodrome South-West China launched the moon satellite sounding system Chang'e-3 with the moon rover on board. It is expected that after the satellite’s launch into the circumlunar orbit, the “Yuytu” lunar rover “Jade hare”, designed and built by experts of the Chinese Academy of Space Technologies CACT, will make a “soft” landing around the Gulf of rainbow.

Scientists from KAKT the other day, in an interview with an agency correspondent, explained what technical difficulties had been overcome in creating the first Chinese lunar rover.

It is known that the Moon does not have an atmosphere, therefore the process of “landing on the moon” occurs in a completely different way than the “landing”. Therefore, only with the help of our own propulsion system, it is possible to ensure gradual and smooth deceleration of the spacecraft, the speed of which when approaching the moon, according to experts, is 1,7 km / sec.

At the same time, for a safe landing in the established zone, it is also necessary to precisely adjust the position of the apparatus, for which the onboard "Chang'e-3" is installed a variable-thrust engine in 7,5 kN, designed by Chinese experts.

Specialists in the homing, navigation and motion control system of the KAKT moon rover reported that special sensors would be able to measure the speed and distance from the lunar surface and recognize the terrain with high accuracy.

It is possible that the spacecraft will turn over from a strong impact at the time of landing on the lunar surface, which, in addition, is known to be covered with a thick layer of loose dust. Therefore, with the impact of the spacecraft, a huge amount of dust will undoubtedly be thrown upwards, which represents a threat to the further "journey" of the lunar rover. To overcome the above problems, the Yuuta moon walker is equipped with a shock absorber designed and manufactured using special technologies.

The temperature drops during the change of day and night on the surface of the moon are quite sharp: in the daytime the temperature reaches 150 degrees Celsius, and at night it drops to 180 degrees below zero. In this case, the specialists had to solve the problem of heating and cooling the onboard devices. According to the report, the Chang'e-3 satellite is equipped with a variable conduction heat pipe that has never been installed on other interplanetary vehicles before.

In addition to dust, there are stones and craters of various sizes on the lunar surface. Ensuring the "confident" motion of the moon rover was another of the main tasks in the development of the satellite. Reportedly, the “Yuytu” chassis consists of a suspension and a six-wheel driving part, which are capable of moving the lunar rover forward, backward, turning in place, and also having high throughput.

To ensure a long "journey" on the surface of the moon, reliable operation and safety of the moon rover, it is necessary to develop a system for remote control of the movement of the apparatus. Thanks to the efforts of specialists, this problem was solved in time. Scientists are confident that in a matter of days the onboard radio complexes of the moonwalker "Yuytu" will receive the first commands from the Earth.

According to the Xinhua News Agency

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[rugor]

Another swallow, or rather the jade hare of growing Chinese power. And who taught them everything? And most importantly, why?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: rugor

And who taught them everything? And most importantly, why?

They learn themselves, not hesitating to borrow other people's ideas and not paying attention to copyrights. And we distribute our own, but we are embarrassed to take someone else's. Therefore, our high technology is below the plinth, our electronics - one, two, and miscalculated. Navigator for the army is like a Mercedes.

[Civil]

Chinese grandson of the Soviet lunar rover ...

[Airman]

Quote: Civil

Chinese grandson of the Soviet lunar rover ...

A copy of the Soviet (externally) with modern Chinese filling. Let's see how much it will work.

[AVV]

The illegitimate grandson of the chocolate hare will plow the expanse of the Earth’s satellite, maybe our specialists will launch something there, or else China’s plans to be the first to start exploring the moon !!! Maybe the series of our failures when launching the spacecraft will stop? !!!

[APES]

Six great innovations embodied

tell at least about one?

[seller trucks]

Quote: APES

tell at least about one?

(+) boastful guys, but let's pay tribute, ambitious and hardworking

[HAM]

In, I read, I read, but I didn’t subtract a single one, only the wheels vaguely resemble something.

[Airman]

Quote: APES

Six great innovations embodied

tell at least about one?

Using photographs from old newspapers, recreate a self-propelled cart if its drawings were not sold for candy wrappers.

[postman]

Quote: APES

tell at least about one?

1.- "bottom" radar, which allows you to study the structure of the soil to a depth of about 30 m and the crust of the Moon to a mark of several hundred meters.
2.- Near-UV optical telescope for astronomical observations, the objects of which will be double stars, short-period variables, active galactic nuclei, etc. (on the landing module)
3.-will be able to act in for three consecutive months.
4.-manipulator with sensors of the alpha-x-ray spectrometer and infrared spectrometer
5. UV short-wave camera for observing the earth's ionosphere in the 30,4 nm band (on the landing module)
6.-heat pipe of variable conductivity
7.-CCD panoramic camera
8.-the first Chinese (!) "Lunar rover":

and the difference (from the USSR or the USA) is

9.- let's see what he "does" with the solution of the riddle of "riding stones"

From the standpoint of the vacuum form of life, the stones of the riders are cubs hatched by their parents, therefore, must be everywhere.
The Chinese "lunar rover" will EXACTLY EXPLORE THE MOON:
the main task of Lunokhod did not have the goal of exploring the lunar surface, the main thing was moving to the greatest distance (a record of range!). Therefore, when approaching the clusters of stones, which surprisingly often appeared at the direction of movement, both Lunokhods, instead of approaching and lingering for the study, for which time is necessary, instead, both Lunokhods went ahead in advance to go around the object of study as an annoying let. In fact, the looped path of the Lunokhods was connected precisely with the goal of circumventing what, it would seem, on the contrary, should have been the subject of a search. There were surprisingly many interesting things on the Lunokhod’s path, but all these curious objects only annoyed the team of riders, not only stones, literally everything that met on the way prevented forward movement.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Postman

Chinese "lunar rover" will EXACTLY EXPLORE THE MOON

Dear Postman, 2 questions to you (but not about Lunokhod )
1) Is it true that for the terraforming of Mars, the Moon is required as an intermediate base?
2) Is it true that the main obstacle to this process is the state of the core of Mars?

[postman]

Quote: Odyssey

Dear Postman to you

eeee ...
Well, I'm not a selenologist and not a terraformologist after all ..
More information can be obtained here:

or the Saudis with the Emirates

I will try to assume:
1. If humanity possesses ENERGIES of such a level that it allows itself to terraform Mars, it is unlikely that it (humanity) will need the Moon as an intermediate base. Although, with a high degree of probability, the Moon will already be "terraformed" by this time:

2. About the core, did you probably mean gravity or its temperature?
More information about the terraforming of Mars is here (though in English)
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mfogg/zubrin.htm

[askort154]

rugor ... Another swallow, or rather the jade hare of growing Chinese power. And who taught them everything? And most importantly, why?

We also started with trophy V-2s. We took 11 units and about 2 hundreds of engineers from Germany. We created the Kapustin Yar test site and in 1947 began to launch launches. Of 11, nine were successful.
And after 10 years - the world's first "Sputnik" of the Earth. And after 4 more, the first man in Space. We also, from 4 American B-29s, launched their copy, Tu-4, into production.
(but then the “despot” Stalin was at the helm!) The main thing is not only to “commune” the progressive, but just as important not to stop there.

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: askort154

It’s important not to dwell on this.

[Army1]

Urgently Gorbachev to China.

[mvg]

a little plastic on the face (squint your eyes a little) and go, otherwise their economy is behaving incorrectly

[sergius60]

Late. The now former governor of Liaoning Province was multiplied by zero at last year's CPC convention. Och-chen under Mishutu mowed. Xi Jin Ping is the winner. We didn't have our own "Siny".

[lilit.193]

Quote: rugor

Another swallow, or rather a jade hare

It's good that not a "jade pillar".

[clidon]

According to legend, the jade hare lives on the moon - he is an eternal laborer, a “zealous hare”, who from morning to night interprets the potion of immortality in the jade mortar, which the heavenly gods themselves then give to the afflicted. This hare is a “wonderful doctor” and the savior of all sick people, prolonging life for people and animals. Protector of all suffering beings on the planet.

[igor.borov775]

Hi, What can I say Well done, We now somehow calmly relate to such news, And before, Yes, and now we have learned to help, They have their own program, Yes, we once had authority in this industry, But tell us your achievements which country it relies on, Over the past 3 years we have been faced with strange failures, Commercial launches are more successful than purely Russian ones, Every country has space exploration failures, But we have very sensitive ones, The Martian program has been covered and this one preparation of the equipment lasts more than one year , The last flight of the truck went under a noisy campaign, as if it were an achievement, For a simple layman, just an ordinary launch, What to celebrate, And somehow - the launch of a Chinese bunny almost didn’t noticeably follow, It’s not very advertised for us, the Chinese space exploration program is still without such failures as ours, I carefully watched the reports of the Chinese cosmonauts, The first flew ours with might and main noisy oh sucks twenty years ago e such devices flew with us, It seemed to me as a simple layman looking at the frames, When the next ones flew, they were silent and the third launch, the device inside was not the same as ours, Of course, any country takes into account the experience of others, but space itself makes such requirements for the devices that they become almost similar, We somehow chatted around the box that the Moon program is being prepared, now the Moon begins to come to the fore it is where engineers and many more specialists from various scientific fields will be worked out and gain experience, Already without space research representatives of many professions don’t think about their work and the pace will increase, And to be honest, I’m happy for the Chinese; the Moon research program is also interesting and original and there are no glitches, Only the joy is mixed with bitterness that we still do not have an original working Moon research program,

[CHILD]

Lunokhod is not a jade member for you ... I'm afraid not to play music for long ....

[postman]

Quote: KIND

.. I'm afraid not to play music for long ....

Estimated time of OFFLINE work on the lunar surface: 3 (THREE!) months.

[Deniska]

Their radars should also work for 7 years without repair ...

[postman]

Quote: Deniska

must work for 7 years without repair ...

what kind?
1. Satellites working on the Google Earth project found a new ballistic missile early warning radar (BMEW) near the western border of China.
2. Technical Report APA-TR-2009-0103

3. The new Chinese radar, the alleged analogue of 64N6E2

[avkeys]

In general, as I think, one should be happy with such events, and try to do together something at least for the development of a common civilization. Not all the same, just think about how to scare each other. Although, to my deep regret, now without this it is impossible in any way

[A.YARY]

It's good that the "Jade Hare" and not the "Jade Stalk" !!!!!

With the humor of the Chinese, everything is in order.

[Igorisep900]

And he must have a hare))

[Odysseus]

All this, of course, is wonderful, the Chinese are great, but the final meaning of the Chinese lunar program is not entirely clear to me.
It would be super cool (both from a technical and ideological point of view) if they were the first to fly to Mars, while having the ultimate goal of terraforming Mars.
The moon has already passed the stage. Why the Chinese need it is unclear.

[A.YARY]

ODYSSEUS
Believe me, they will make a launch pad on the moon and begin the screwdriver assembly of rockets to launch into the rest of space

[Odysseus]

Quote: A.YARY

Believe me, they will make a launch pad on the moon and begin the screwdriver assembly of rockets to launch into the rest of space

Ooh, moving all production from China to the moon is a great idea
Imagine how people go shopping and curse, damn it, do not take everything on the moon done)))

[Ivan.]

Quote: Odyssey

Ooh, moving all production from China to the moon is a great idea
Imagine how people go shopping and curse, damn it, do not take everything on the moon done

There you don’t have to pay taxes, and yet it costs 63 chat rooms, they will buy air (33 chat rooms) and they will crush all competitors!

[Odysseus]

Quote: Ivan.

and it costs 63 chatl so far,

And by the way, not a fact. In my opinion, some cunning people are already doing business selling sites on the moon. And not at all for chat rooms)))

[Encoder]

In, in and where the Chinese flew. And if there are already columns around - type is forbidden, private property. Either the Chinese have bought their land there or they will be on the road.

[Onyx]

Quote: Odyssey

The moon has already passed the stage. Why the Chinese need it is unclear.

What do you mean why? One and a half billion Chinese are already crowded in China. So they are looking for where to go

[Odysseus]

Quote: Onyx

What do you mean why? One and a half billion Chinese are already crowded in China. So they are looking for where to go

Duc, for this they just need Mars. It’s much easier to terraform it, but on the Moon you’ll keep the atmosphere))
Well, in general, I’m even glad that they flooded the moon. We’ve just missed the Chinese Mars

[A.YARY]

Chinese Mars Energy Bar !!
The Jade Condom will fly to the moon next
Or "Reservative" I do not remember how correctly?

[Sergh]

Quote: A.YARY

The Jade Condom will fly to the moon next
Or "Reservative" I do not remember how correctly?

That's an infection! Five minutes neighing ...
So I didn't understand the ending !? Like, this next "Jade ..." will be completely (more precisely, under a rubber tie) filled with lard of little Chinese ???
Vesch !!! Be sure to buy a telescope, where to watch the fun! Local sleepwalkers or luntics (I don’t know how to do it right) are obsessed by such a greyhound!

[Encoder]

Give it to us immediately Jupiter - we are used to the space. And the Chinese and on the moon will attach themselves well - familiar to crowding.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Onyx

One and a half billion Chinese are already crowded in China. So they are looking for where to go

Thanks for the clarification. Now it’s clear why Amers is so drawn to Mars!

[clidon]

Are you sure of our time? Of course, the moon is already crossed across across what to do there ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: clidon

Of course, the whole moon has already been crossed across, what to do there ...

The final goal is unclear. The Americans flew to the Moon primarily for reasons of prestige, that is, the Chinese will not be the first. For colonization, the Moon is less promising than Mars. Pure scientific research can be carried out without a moon landing.

Quote: clidon

Are you sure of our time?

Is not a fact...

[Encoder]

So far, even on Earth, without a human being, we cannot really research anything. And it is not science that drives such projects. And how do you like an unsinkable missile carrier constantly hanging over your head? Or secret laboratories guarded by space itself, or else what the military can come up with.

[stas52]

The Chinese announced their ultimate goal, they talked about it on TV, research on the subject of minerals, in my rare earths, and in the future their extraction. The US was against this flight, but could not do anything.

[Hudo]

Quote: stas52

The US was against this flight, but could not do anything.

Infa that the Americans flew to the moon only in Hollywood films of dubious injury, when it falls into the hands of Chinese comrades, the thing is very effective.

[VEKT]

Without an intermediate base on the moon, the terraforming of Mars is not possible, because of low gravity, launching spacecraft into deep space from the Moon is not as energy-intensive as from the Earth, moreover, if the technology for obtaining energy from helium 3 is created, the moon will turn into a second Kuwait. and the one who gets to her first will collect the cream. The Chinese think 100 years ahead and, as Confucius said, "A journey of a thousand li begins with one step." China has taken this step.

[Odysseus]

Quote: VEKT

Without an intermediate base on the moon, the terraforming of Mars is not possible

That is, the colonization of the moon is required? Hmm, I didn’t know, thanks. Why then do the Americans not show interest in this?
By the way, as far as I understand the main problem in the terraforming of Mars is its frozen core?

[nerd.su]

Quote: Odyssey

. Why, then, the Americans do not show interest in this?

Even we show, at least at the media level :)

Quote: Odyssey

The main problem in terraforming Mars is its frozen core?

Our knowledge of the bowels of the Earth deeper than 12 m is quite theoretical, there is nothing to say about Mars.
The main problem in terraforming planets is human laziness and greed.

Ray Bradbury.
“People are the idiots. They did a lot of stupid things: they came up with costumes for dogs, the position of an advertising manager and things like an iPhone, receiving nothing in return except for a sour aftertaste. Humanity has been given the opportunity to surf the cosmos, but it wants to engage in consumption - to drink beer and watch TV shows. ”

And you're talking about the frozen core of the bike ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: bot.su

The main problem in terraforming planets is human laziness and greed.

I sin more on the social system.

Quote: bot.su

Even we show, at least at the media level :)

We now have other "tasks" testing "innovations" in Skolkovo and landing Serdyukov
What is the moon ...

Quote: bot.su

And you're talking about the frozen core of the bike.

No, it’s like it’s because of him there is something wrong with the magnetic field. I’ll go ask the Postman. This terrible person probably knows more about the Martian nucleus than the Martians themselves

[nerd.su]

Quote: Odyssey

I sin more on the social system.

Social order is determined by the desire and determination of society to defeat their laziness and greed.

Quote: Odyssey

We now have other "tasks" testing "innovations" in Skolkovo and landing Serdyukov crying
What is the moon ...

Nevertheless, there are plans to send probes to explore the Moon in 15, and after 20 to send lunar rovers and start creating lunar stations. However, the verification of Skolkovo's "innovations" also began with plans to create a Skolkovo innovation center. Let's see what the plans for the exploration of the moon will lead to.

Quote: Odyssey

No, it’s for sure, because of him there is something wrong with the magnetic field

There is something wrong with the magnetic field, but this is the big question!
Kernel problems are just one of the most likely hypotheses.

[slovak007]

Quote: Odyssey

The moon has already passed the stage. Why the Chinese need it is unclear

In terms of ballistics and energy consumption, the Moon is a convenient transshipment point for deep space exploration.

[igor.borov775]

How is it a passed stage, Who worked out who created the technology that you can move on, the Moon presents so many problems to technology and to all our innovations that your head will spin, It is here that those technologies that will fly further will be tested, the Moon presents the requirements of stay beyond the limits of our point of view on it, natural space conditions but cannot exist there, there are no projects of habitable modules in the sea, but there is only one other place to check the functionality in natural space on the ISS, many types of technologies are being developed there, and much more, that the moon passed the stage is a deep error, a boy can say so but not a husband, Even here, transport workers often start off to the ISS, It says something, Yes, there are no breakthrough technologies so far, the Yankees simply understood from their own experience that a short stay on the Moon even carries so many problems that at that time they could not be solved, so many years have passed and so far there is no success, And the people dream of visiting on the Moon, Probably somewhere in the genes there is a memory of space, because we look at the sky, we dream and some also write normal novels about such close and very distant stars, There is something in our soul that makes us look at the stars and the Moon that pure elusive beyond our control that makes us dream of them,

[Odysseus]

Quote: igor.borov775

How is this stage passed, By who worked out who created the technology that you can move on, the Moon presents so many problems to technology and to all our innovations that the head will spin,

All this, of course, is true, but one can also say about Mars, but only in the case of it is the moral and political gain (primacy) much more and the ultimate goal (colonization and subsequent terraforming) understandable.
However, a lot of ideas for the "application" of the moon have already been sketched.
1) Minerals in general
2) Separately Helium-3
3) Military base
4) Transshipment point before flights to deep space.
5) The transshipment point before flying to Mars is necessary for its terraforming.
So I'm embarrassed shut up

[fzr1000]

I answer you with the words of the media. It is clear that this is far from all true, even so far funny, but ...

China plans to build a missile base on the moon, with which it will be possible to hit targets on Earth. The PRC authorities expect to implement such a project by 2050, the newspaper said. The Beijing Times.

The publication refers to a source in the China National Space Administration. According to an anonymous expert of the department, it is planned to turn the natural satellite of the Earth into a deadly weapon that can hit any target on our planet.

Both Chinese and foreign journalists are already comparing the military project of the Celestial Empire with the "Death Star" - a combat space station in the fictional universe of "Star Wars". She was equipped with energy weapons of extreme destructive power, capable of destroying entire planets.

In addition, the Chinese military plan to build weapons test sites on the moon. They intend to use the Earth’s satellite as the base from which spacecraft will go into deep space, according to media reports.

[Encoder]

And here is a confirmation of what I said earlier. And if besides rockets there will also be lasers (they don’t give a damn about ballistics), then this is serious.

[Odysseus]

Quote: fzr1000

In addition, the Chinese military plan to build weapons test sites on the moon. They intend to use the Earth’s satellite as the base from which spacecraft will go into deep space, according to media reports.

Estimate how much such a polygon will cost ... As for the "death star" smiled))
As for deep space, then to him as to the moon .... the idea of ​​an intermediate stage before Mars looks more reasonable.

[fzr1000]

I think that in this case, cost is important for China, but not in the first place. And not in 5 years they plan to master the moon. Wait and see.

[alex-kon]

All the same, he reminds me of something. Really the Chinese experts borrowed something from someone?

[VEKT]

They "borrowed" and launched, but ours created and forgotten.

[Ivan.]

Great are only discoveries that turn around the worldview. INN OVATIONS - DAMAGED Russian language, they do not have enough Russian words + to the subcortex a good attitude to iin (individual carrier number) is programmed. I did not read!

[Chicot 1]

The Han people can only have two innovations - "well copied" and "poorly copied" ...

[Jurkovs]

I have a direct nostalgia for youth, I remember exactly the same article in the Technique of Youth. And I remember the experienced pride in the country, apparently the Chinese youth are now in seventh heaven and it does not matter that this is a repeat of 40 years ago.

[Encoder]

It’s definitely not important for them - this is the first time for China. Yes, if we were now flying freely to Mars, we could look at them from high, otherwise we can’t repeat it anymore. And here they are flying, but we are not - sad.

[Andrey Ulyanovsky]

Coffee table in space. Better a panda in a spacesuit would be sent.

[Sochi]

Chet running strongly resembles our lunar rover ... it seems all the documentation is stolen. And then what they are talking about - so it's been a long time at school ...

[slovak007]

They have not only a running gear similar, but also parts of the launcher (launch vehicle), and the descent vehicle. Well, probably this is not surprisingly studied, then they are in our universities. I still remember the flow of Chinese at my faculty.

[major071]

I read the article and went a little crazy, there are written common truths about the moon, which we have at school, and this "jade hare" is something very reminiscent of the Soviet lunar rover. Long Live New Chinese Innovation!

[Sochi]

Aha news with a "Chinese smell" of 43 years old ... in 1970 the first Soviet lunar rover.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Andrey Ulyanovsky

Coffee table laughing in space. Better a panda in a spacesuit would be sent.

Quote: major071

there are written common truths about the moon, which we pass at school, and this "jade hare" is something very reminiscent of the Soviet lunar rover

Quote: Sochi

in 1970 the first Soviet lunar rover

And when was the last Soviet one? Do you know that the first Russian moon rovers will hit the moon after 2020? So, if everything goes as it should, then when we land on the moon there will already smell like a strong Chinese spirit.

[Encoder]

There everything will be planted with rice.

[bubla5]

Even let them carefully put them on the surface, and then they will boast of technology, a couple of three moon rovers must be lost in order to get excellent results

[ReifA]

About the moon have already been written on the site, helium. Because of the prospect of helium mining, the moon is important. Also as a transfer point or instead of an orbital station. Yes, there are many applications, there would be a desire, but an opportunity.

[Odysseus]

Quote: ReifA

Because of the prospect of helium mining, the moon is important.

Eeee, what about profitability?

Quote: ReifA

Also as a transfer point or instead of an orbital station

Theoretically possible, but something like a lunar base will need to be built.

[Indifferent]

The Chinese have stripped us of everything! And we had two Lunokhods driving there for quite a while! I am sure that there were no Americans on the moon. And our Lunokhods are the only cars that traveled there. In the coming years, it will still be clear! And then it becomes clear who is the first on the moon!

[Asgard]

Amer was not there.
All the astronauts "who have been to the moon" are Masons, who did not hold their tongues well, they killed ...
The Saturn rocket does not fly (lies in the museum)) and, surprisingly, not a single emergency, everything went smoothly and successfully (as in Hollywood action films))))
And complete oblivion, even the documentation was not preserved on the engines and rocket)))
with a z o h n and to and

[Wedmak]

and what is surprising, not a single emergency, everything went smoothly and successfully (as in Hollywood action films

Well, it’s already proved that they flew. Pictures of the landing sites confirm this. But what about Apollo 13? They could not sit down, they miraculously returned home alive.

[Encoder]

And the very silence of the USSR on this subject does not prove this. Do not hesitate if you didn’t fly, but announced that we would fly a lot of noise.

[Encoder]

Yes there were, of course, only now not everything shows what exactly was shot there, but this is as usual.

[Encoder]

Do not insult the possibilities of that USSR. It was a race, competition, almost a war, and if the Americans weren’t there they would have immediately poked their nose (or do you think that they could not see or hear the USSR?), And not in 20 years they came up with some sort of canoe.

[Wedmak]

Something that reminds me. Reports of the USSR on the five-year plan or something .... We all decided! All nishtyak! There were problems, but we successfully solved them! New technologies have been applied! Yes, they decided!
And ... not a single technical description! And the lunar rover itself looks as if it had been assembled in a barn from what they could find in the same barn.

[Altona]

The description of the lunar rover, especially if it allegedly turns over and springs, is one to one similar to our automatic stations of the middle of the last century ... I wrote last time that this is basically a "jade phallus", in the sense of almost nothing new, they just grew computer technology, video, solar panels, motors can be more economical and better ...

[Black]

It seems that I am reading material from the 60s. From the era before. But what a cloud of dust !! ?? Regalite is not very dusty.

[brainkiller]

Quote: clidon

Are you sure of our time? Of course, the moon is already crossed across across what to do there ...

like what? and stick a flag?

[nerd.su]

Quote: brainkiller

like what? and stick a flag?

late, already stuck. at least the opposite has not been proved.

[yan]

learned, transferred technology and everything on their own. Expansion at the doorstep. The main thing is not to have to cry because of the "triumph of Chinese engineering"

[igor.borov775]

GENTLEMEN WHAT WE HELPED FOR, WHEN SOMETHING FOR A LONG TIME HAVE HELP LONG LONG FOR HERE YEARS HAPPENED HERE, PLEASE HELPED THESE PEOPLE, THE CHINESE NATIONAL PROGRAM HERE, IN 70-80G ONLY IN A DARKNESS I HAVE AN IMPORTANT MEAN its great hiking, will now be reproached similar to ours, look out the Window There's a lot of passenger cars if you look closely we can say similar, but they are different brands and countries, are simply COSMOS such demands that all units' something vaguely similar, this simply means WHAT OUR PRODUCT THE LUNOHODER HAS BEEN MAKED BY GENIENT PEOPLE, REPRESENT WHICH PEOPLE WORKED THEN, THEY FIRST TIME FOUND A UNIQUE MOBILE PLATFORM IF IT LATER AFTER YEARS AFTER YEARS HAS BEEN MADE HAS BEEN DEMANDED,

[tnship2]

How interesting everything is written. The Chinese genius jumped us all. These great aerospace problems were solved by the great Korolev in the last century.

[Nikita_Pilot]

Xerexen!

[Day 11]

If you take colored paper
Pen, scissors and glue
And a little more courage
You can make a hundred rubles ...

[Lumumba]

... on the moon helium-3 ...

Undoubtedly, only there are some nuances:
“There will be about a bucket of this helium-3 per cubic kilometer of lunar rock.” And now we present a cubic kilometer of rock, the necessary equipment for its extraction, the cost thereof and the cost of at least its delivery to the moon.
- At the current level of development of thermonuclear energy, there is also no talk even of theoretical prerequisites for the possibility of practical application of thermonuclear reactions involving helium-3. Even too early to speak about the general level of development thereof. While ITER will be completed, while experiments begin, until then, until now ... At least 40 years.

I have an opinion that China is not eager for exploration on the moon. And for example, in order to find a place to build a military base with nuclear warheads, it is very possible completely autonomous. Such a base can be used to hold any point of our ball at gunpoint, with guaranteed delivery of the warhead to its destination, if necessary, bypassing any existing air defense systems. A warhead flying at a speed of, say, 50 km / s is not capable of knocking down even one, even the most advanced air defense system. Similar projects were in the United States and in the Soviet Union, but in the United States it was decided that it was much more efficient to build democracies in the banana-oil republics and other Syria, and the Union would live a long time.

If this is the case, then within the next 10 years, China will launch launch vehicles suspiciously similar to our Energia (since it will take a huge carrying capacity to deliver the base components) to the moon. And then China will be close to world domination. China can dictate any terms, even America.

[Chicot 1]

And the navel will not unleash world hegemony on itself to drag? ..

"Great" China from the "Jade Hare"...

[VADEL]

"... designed and built by the Chinese Academy of Space Technology KAKT ...", "... designed by the Chinese specialists ..."
They made fun. Thank!

[clidon]

Once upon a time, everyone laughed at the Japanese ...

[VADEL]

Laughter prolongs life. But some Russian scientists involved in space development in prisons were not laughing. In the 90s we talked with fraternal Chinese experts (there was no ban), and in the 2000s they changed the secrecy under investigation). Here, as it were. And sad and ....

[clidon]

Of course, at first everyone tried to communicate with those who already possess knowledge in the area of ​​interest, but then they learn to do everything themselves.

[spirit]

The lunatics are sitting and thinking))))) first a bucket flew in, then a lot of buckets flew in and they were all different. then they flew by themselves, trodden down, burned, drapanuli))) after the bucket, but more advanced flew past (thank God they were behind ) !!! and here AGAIN !!!!! 1 BUCKET arrived.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And yet the good fellows are the Chinese ..! hardworking people .. While we are in the world "show-off" .. They work and work (not disdaining anything ..) the end justifies the means (they will multiply on the moon so soon ..))) And we are looking for an idea .. and who is to blame ..

[Radoslav]

This is not a Chinese satellite flying, but the Russian-Chinese, in the ratio of 95 percent to five.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Radoslav

This is not a Chinese satellite flying, but the Russian-Chinese, in the ratio of 95 percent to five.

Well naturally. Who argues ..! Our technologies (old) are being mastered! It means that we are dear to Mars .. or maybe further ..

[clidon]

But do not argue in vain. I think that there are relatively few Russian technologies in this bunny.

[Bersaglieri]

Quote: rugor

And who taught them everything?

Russia / USA ... 50/50 (look at the lunar rover carefully. First on the chassis, then on the hull)

[Megre]

Chinas are becoming stronger, and we ......... hold the Olympics. Where are the fortified areas on the border with China ?! Where are the tank armies ?! Where are the nuclear tactical mines ?! Two dozen aircraft, several hundred tanks. The Chinese army is 80% armed with our weapons. There are real traitors in the Kremlin. It seems that they are specially strengthening the Chinese army. I am ashamed of my ancestors. Who conquered such territory for us. And it is a pity and pain for the soldiers and officers who, in the event of a war with China, will fight and die. In the Soviet Union, with the strongest fortified areas, with mobile armies, they understood that the Chinese could be stopped with the greatest exertion of forces and casualties. The final trump card we had was a nuclear shield. And now these tricks are not a fact that they dare to use it. Putin doesn’t need to conduct thieving Olympiads, but build fortified districts. Until it's not too late.........

[I think so]

Paranoia is a mental illness manifested in a persecution mania ... it seems to the patient that everyone or someone is persecuting him or trying to cause harm ...

[alex86]

Quote: Megrae

Kitayozam 5000 years

I completely agree that for them our 70 years of Soviet power, and the entire cultural revolution is one moment in history, they will completely sit out us "on the shore, waiting for the corpse of the enemy to float past." And with us, many all live in the feeling "Moscow-Beijing are brothers forever". And they, if they want, will simply swallow us, but we will not utter a word - we will be afraid. One hope is that it is easier for them to absorb us by creeping expansion, and maybe there will be our Deng Xiao Ping, who will raise Russia. (Who doesn't like it, let it be the new Stolypin or Peter the First)

[chunga-changa]

Everything is already. They announced that moon exploration and exploration programs are hiding. This is their first and last flight to the moon. Perestroika is with them.

[Asgard]

DOES ON THE MOON REALLY SOMEONE LIVES))))))
S U R Y Z N S Y

[nazgul-ishe]

Not just serious, responsible !!

[voliador]

All this is done by the Chinas thanks to our scientists, whom they lured to themselves back in the 90s.

[nazgul-ishe]

But on their machines and their technology.

[gridasov]

It is very difficult to talk about any technical progress. For example, when landing, you can use the simplest device for transforming a longitudinal force vector into a radial one. That is, any shock moment can be transformed into a radial force absorbing the first. By the way, this method is little used in terrestrial conditions. But in vain. The second one. temperature differences are positive factors that can also be used as potential differences in the corresponding circuit. Dust conditions are also effectively used to ionize the surface and generate energy.

[saag]

Quote: Lumumba

Such a base can be used to hold any point of our ball at gunpoint, with guaranteed delivery of the warhead to its destination, if necessary, bypassing any existing air defense systems. A warhead flying at a speed of, say, 50 km / s is not capable of knocking down even one, even the most advanced air defense system.

It's funny where you take such speeds of 50 km / s between the Moon and the Earth, here the third space is 17 km / s, and secondly a nuclear warhead flying from the Moon to the Earth for three days (from the second space) to shoot down like from a nefig, also coffee will have time to drink
The moon is good as a space shipyard for space, but there’s nothing to catch on Mars, for example, Titan, there’s at least hydrocarbons there, again the Asteroid belt can serve as a source of materials, you need to send finished high-tech products to the earth, such as instruments and some materials that impossible to obtain in terrestrial conditions

[Michael_59]

But it was not necessary to buy their jeans ...

[alex86]

As for jeans, we recently bought an I-beam - so already hire from China - judging by the neat sticker. And this is with our metal facilities ...

[saag]

Quote: alex86

And this is with our metal facilities ...

At the Zlatoust Metallurgical Combine, job cuts by about 2000, such are the things, the impression is that the USSR-2 is China, and not what the GDP is trying to create. It may cost to establish a challenge Red Banner, with the inscription "The best USSR of the century"

[Altona]

Kissing the Chinese "jade phallus" remind you:
"Venus"

A series of Soviet automatic interplanetary spacecraft (AMS) for studying the planet Venus and outer space. The harsh conditions on Venus, as well as the initial lack of reliable information about temperature and pressure, complicated the process of exploring the planet. The descent vehicles of the first series even had a buoyancy margin. Their first flights were unsuccessful - these were the first automatic interplanetary flights in the history of mankind. In the future, the USSR managed to achieve success in the study of Venus AMS so much that it began to be called the "Russian planet."

The first flight near Venus took place in January 1961. Venus-3 reached its surface on March 1, 1966 and became the first artificial object on the surface of Venus. Discoveries

"Venus-4" in October 1967 delivered a spherical descent vehicle to Venus. Information was received that at an altitude of 25 km the temperature of the atmosphere of Venus is 271 ° C, and the pressure is 17-20 atmospheres. It was found that the atmosphere of Venus is 90% carbon dioxide. The hydrogen corona of Venus was discovered. Before the flight of Venus-4, it was believed that the pressure on the surface of Venus is 10 atmospheres, but the processing of data from Venus-4 showed that the pressure on it is about 100 atmospheres. New data were obtained on the structure of plasma flows (solar wind) near Venus. In March 1972, a soft landing was made on the Venus-8 apparatus on the day side of Venus. The illumination on the surface of the planet was measured for the first time (it turned out to be the same as on Earth on a cloudy day), the ammonia concentration was measured at altitudes of 33 and 46 km, and the soil of another planet was first studied using a gamma-ray spectrometer. Venera-9 ”and“ Venera-10 ”in October 1975 landed on the day side of the planet at a distance of about 2 thousand km from each other. 2 minutes after landing, the transmission of a television panorama began. These were the first photos in the world transmitted from the surface of another planet. Soil density and the content of natural radioactive elements were measured. The transmission of information from the descent vehicle lasted 53 minutes. The stations continued their flight, entering the two-day, strongly elongated elliptical orbits of Venus and, thus, became the first artificial satellites of Venus in the world. In 1982, color images of the planet's surface were first obtained.

A further continuation of the Venus program in the USSR was the Vega program for the study of Venus (probes in the atmosphere), as well as Halley's comet.