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Why we lose the North Caucasus

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The outflow of Russians from the North Caucasian republics leads to a socio-cultural separation of the region from Russia. Official national policy prefers to ignore this tendency.


Why we lose the North Caucasus

There are practically no Russians left in the power elites of the North Caucasus regions.


Alpha and Omega of the Russian national policy today is considered to be the creation and strengthening of a unified Russian nation. In this case, as a rule, the question remains on what basis this process should be carried out. However, the answer as a whole is obvious and can be found, for example, in Vladimir Putin’s election article “Russia: the national question,” where the president called the Russian people a uniquely fascinating Russian civilization. Indeed, in Russia the basis for building a single nation can only be Russian culture, the Russian language and the Russian people proper as their bearer. For example, what is common between Nivkh and Avar except for Russianness?

At the same time, very different politicians and public figures, from communists to Western liberals, are increasingly talking about the threat of the disappearance of the Russian people. If for Russia as a whole, such forecasts look more like a gloomy apocalyptic fiction, then the absence of Russians in Chechnya and Ingushetia, as well as the permanent reduction of the Russian population in other North Caucasian republics, is an objective reality. And this reality calls into question not only the creation of the Russian nation, at least in the North Caucasus, but also the very presence of the North Caucasus within the Russian Federation.

Russian outcome

The outflow of Russians from the North Caucasus began in the days of the Soviet Union. Population censuses recorded a decline in the share of the Russian population in the region since the 1970s. In 1990, the process took on an avalanche-like character. Today, the rate of decline in the Russian population has noticeably decreased, but in general, the trend has not changed: the Russians continue to leave. On the departure of Russians, another trend is superimposed: in Caucasian families, the birth rate is much higher (see table 1).


Table 1:
Change in the share of Russians in the population of the republics of the North Caucasus (%)


We often hear that the main reason for Russians leaving the North Caucasus is the elimination of industry in the region. To a certain extent, this is true. But sociologists in the Soviet era noted that the most common reason for the Russians leaving was the lack of personal security. Today it is all the more true. And in this case we are not talking about terrorism, but about the significant criminalization of Caucasian society.

In general, the Russian authorities are well aware of the problems that the de-Russification of the North Caucasus creates. In the Social and Economic Development Strategy of the North Caucasus Federal District before 2025, the outflow of the Russian-speaking population is called one of the main problems of the region, and its termination and the return of the Russian population is a strategic task of the state.

In recent years, certain attempts have been made to reverse the situation: the programs of resettlement of Russians to Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan were implemented. However, judging by the dynamics of the Russian population, programs in all the republics failed. And the republican leaders themselves evaluated their effectiveness extremely low. Let us quote the words of the head of Ingushetia, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, in 2010: “There was no effect. The effect was only that partly on this someone earned. Mostly officials. Even now I’m looking, I can’t find those returning from this program, I give instructions to the head of administration: find at least one family to talk with, which would return under this program. Now it is impossible to find such a family, you will not find. ”

On the whole, it seems that the programs for the return of Russians to the North Caucasus were somehow not implemented seriously. Federal TV channels did not invite to move to Chechnya, there were no billboards on the streets of Russian cities inviting to Ingushetia, there were no articles in the popular press campaigning to live and work in Dagestan. These programs went quietly, and the overwhelming majority of Russians never learned about them.

Moreover, the “suitcase mood” among Russians in the North Caucasus today dominates. According to the study “The National Question in the Russian Social and Political Life” *, presented in September of this year in the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, almost all (79%) Russian youth living in the republics of the North Caucasus are ready to leave their small homeland and move to another Russian region. That is, it can be said with confidence that the outflow of Russians from the North Caucasus will continue.

In recent years, another extremely alarming trend has emerged: under pressure from immigrants from the North Caucasian republics, Russians are already leaving the Stavropol Territory. The Russian authorities also know about this, for example, this is stated in the "Strategy for the Social and Economic Development of the North Caucasus Federal District before the 2025 of the Year." However, the steps taken, as well as attempts to return Russians to the North Caucasus, do not give an effect.

As an illustration, we will cite the story of one of the leaders of the Stavropol Territory: “Russians don’t even go to the Stavropol Territory. In our city of Stavropol, a military camp was built, beautiful, with infrastructure, with a kindergarten, with a school. It stands empty, the military did not go to it. This military town was just built so that the military drove here. We expected an increase in the male population, an increase in the Russian-speaking population and, again, in the military. That is, it was done to strengthen the region with such a population. But people did not go. The town is empty. This we are talking about Stavropol. If they do not come here, then who will go to the republics? ”It is very characteristic that this manager asked not to be named.

Some nations are more equal

Russian youth are also pushing the departure from the North Caucasus by the fact that Russians in the region are in an unequal situation in comparison with the titular population. For example, the share of Russians in the administrative republican elites is two to three times lower than in the population of the republics. The only exception to this rule is Ingushetia, where the share of Russians among managers is already 14 times higher than in the republic’s population. However, this fact can hardly be regarded as an example of a tolerant attitude towards the Russian population. Over the past thirty years, virtually the entire Russian-speaking population has left the republic, and Ingushetia has actually become a mono-ethnic republic (see table 2).

Table 2:
Share of Russians in the population and managerial elite in the republics of the North Caucasus (%)

If we talk about top management positions (head of the republic, chairman of the republican government, mayor of the republican capital), then there are no Russians and Russian speakers in these positions in the North Caucasus at all. All senior posts in the region are occupied only by representatives of the titular ethnic groups (see table 3).

Table 3:
Number of Russians and representatives of titular nations in leadership positions in the republics of the North Caucasus (%)

Such a situation can not affect the interethnic relations. If in any republic practically all leading posts are occupied by representatives of the title ethnos, and the Russian and Russian-speaking population is not allowed into power, then the residents of this republic can be talked about as much as one Russian nation. Anyway, no one will believe.

Neighbor husband husband

Chechnya and Ingushetia are the republics in which there are practically no Russians left, just as the so-called Russian-speaking ones are practically gone: Armenians, Greeks, Jews, Ukrainians, etc. Together with the Russians, Russian culture and the Russian way of life are leaving the republics. But the holy place is never empty, today Islamization is actively going on in the region. To a certain extent, today Chechnya and Ingushetia can be called Islamic republics. For example, according to the “National Question in Russian Social and Political Life” research mentioned above, the majority (62%) of Chechens and Ingush support the introduction of polygamy at least in the territories of these republics. And every fourth (23%) believes that polygamy should be allowed throughout the Russian Federation. According to a number of Chechen and Ingush respondents, polygamy in these republics has already become de facto widespread. Let us cite one of the participants in the study: “Polygamy in Ingushetia is normal. I have a neighbor recently married husband. Yesterday they just brought it. She has no children. And the first wife lives separately in the house, and the second ". According to another respondent, “now in Chechnya, if there is money, they want to marry immediately to the second.”

Meanwhile, polygamy in the Russian Federation is prohibited by law. If any people want to live according to Islamic laws and practice polygamy, then this is certainly their right. It cannot be argued that the Islamic way of life is better or worse than the Russian - for the most part European, Christian. These are just different ways. But in this regard, the question arises: can two territories coexist within the framework of a single state, in one of which the norm is considered what is prohibited by law and considered morally unacceptable?

Imitation of national policy

It cannot be said that the Russian government completely ignores the position of the Russians in the North Caucasus. In various government documents, the “Russian question” is clearly indicated. For example, the federal target program “Strengthening the unity of the Russian nation and the ethno-cultural development of the peoples of Russia (2014 – 2020 years)” adopted in August of this year states that the difficulties the Russian Federation faced in the post-Soviet period “led to a number of negative consequences in the interethnic sphere ”, including“ restriction in some regions of the Russian Federation of non-title rights, including Russian, of the population ”. The wording itself is indicative of this: “in some subjects”. The authors try by all means not to name a specific region, although it is clear that the North Caucasus is hidden behind this euphemism.

The concrete actions planned in the FTP can cause only bewilderment. The North Caucasus is mentioned twice in the document - in the names of the events: the Russian Caucasus International Political Science Forum and the Gathering of Young Journalists and Bloggers of the North Caucasus and Southern Federal Districts. It would even be offensive to suspect the authors of the Federal Targeted Program that, in their opinion, these events could somehow affect the position of the Russian population in the North Caucasus. In other words, national policy makers see and understand the problems associated with “restricting non-title rights, including Russian, of the population” in the North Caucasus, but are not going to do anything to change the situation.

However, the national policy implemented today prefers to ignore all the really acute aspects of interethnic relations, such as ethnic crime. And all the activities of maintaining inter-ethnic peace within the framework of the Federal Target Program are limited to conducting various cultural events: the Roma under the Russian Sky festival, the Russian Civilization photo contest, the congress of ethnographers and anthropologists and other festivals, exhibitions, gatherings of bloggers and political scientists forums.

If we speak not about imitation, but about examples of real regulation of interethnic relations, then first of all, we should recall the national policy in the USSR. The Soviet government tacitly recognized the special position of the titular peoples on the territory of their republics, and the representative of the titular ethnic group was appointed the first person in the republic. However, his deputy was always Russian. Thus, the center, on the one hand, controlled the local government, and on the other, maintained a certain parity between the titular and Russian population of the republics.

Interesting is also the initiative of Alu Alkhanov, who, as early as 2007, when he was president of the Chechen Republic, offered to take into account the number of Russians who returned to their previous places as an indicator of the effectiveness of the work of the republican authorities in the North Caucasus. Perhaps, in addition to encouraging the return of the Russians, republican leaders could be responsible for the outflow of the Russian-speaking population. As a target indicator in assessing the success of national policies in the republics of the North Caucasus, one could also take into account the number of deputies of the republican parliament and ministers of the republican government of non-titular nationalities.

Of course, none of the measures listed above guarantee a solution to the “Russian question” in the North Caucasus. But it is clear that the national policy must take into account the basic interests of different peoples, including the Russian population. Russians in the North Caucasus should be given a wide representation in government, business, law enforcement. Without a doubt, such a redistribution of power and, as a result, property will meet with active resistance from the republican ethnocracies, but there is simply no other way.

If we reduce the national policy to cultural awareness, ignore the real problems of the Russian and Russian-speaking population in the North Caucasus and allow the situation to develop by gravity, then sooner or later we will lose this region. And this will not happen because Russian nationalists or external enemies are calling for secession to want to completely destroy Russia. The North Caucasus will leave because it will become a region that lives according to laws, radically different from all-Russian, and a territory in which there are simply no Russians.

* The study was carried out by the Agency for Social Technologies “Polytech” with the assistance of the Institute of Ethnology and Anthropology of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Network of Ethnological Monitoring EAWARN. The project used state support funds allocated as a grant by the Institute of Public Design following the results of the VI contest “Problems of development of modern Russian society” conducted in accordance with the decree of the President of the Russian Federation 03 in May 2012 of the year No. 216 – rn.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 7 December 2013 07: 41 New
    +9
    Yes, it’s not about the number of Russians in the location, but in relation to them.
    That’s who condoned this relation (which is now), and that is the demand.
    Who shouted louder than Politkovskaya that Russia torments and kills poor Chechen rebels? So, she probably set up a minimum monument for such matters as influencing and shaping the image of Russia as an enemy of peoples in public opinion? But the memorial plaque is for sure.
    Here, as with a suitcase, you need to find out where your legs are growing from, and ask: what did she do for Russia with what she did?
    Here in Syria, too, Muslims, but they are ready to protect the Russians, and not slaughter, because they save them (Shiite-Alawites).
    1. alone
      alone 7 December 2013 11: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: mirag2
      Yes, it’s not about the number of Russians in the location, but in relation to them.


      Do you know what is interesting in these tables? Why do people leave North Ossetia? Well, let’s say Dagestan, Ingushetia’s Chechnya is understandable. But what about Ossetia? Maybe the Ossetians didn’t like the Russians too? Are they so grateful for the salvation or is it something else?
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 7 December 2013 12: 32 New
        +16
        Here are the lines from the page at the Federal Bureau of Investigations, senior researcher of the Institute for Civil Aviation, Sergei Perevalov, who knows the situation from the inside:
        One of the peoples of the North Caucasus, the Ossetian, has long been considering the Republic of Northern Alania for a long time not as a part of Russia, not as a subject of the Russian Federation, but as its national state, "the subject (unified, ethnically) of Ossetia." Of course, contrary to the Constitution, both the Russian Federation and North Ossetia-Alania. To consolidate the existing situation, i.e. republican ethnocracy, it is required to form (pushing the idea of ​​the Russian civil nation), an "Ossetian civil (political) nation", which is in full swing through mass media propaganda, school education programs, historical myth-making, etc.
        The ideological support for the transformation of the republic of Russian citizens into the "Ossetian" is carried out by my institute, the North Ossetian Institute for Humanitarian and Social Research. The Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, where they sneezed on the Statutory requirements (their own and the RAS) to comply with the Constitution of the Russian Federation in terms of the unity of civil, scientific, educational space, and the equality of all citizens regardless of nationality. Ossetia for Ossetians, an institution not for conducting objective scientific research, but for the needs of building the Ossetian nation. Ossetians are indigenous and host, in a word - dominant people, the rest are diasporas obliged to “adapt” to Ossetians (the core idea of ​​Z.V. Kanukova’s book “Diasporas of Ossetia”).
        Carriers of the idea of ​​a Russian civil nation at the institute, of course, are not needed (first of all, Russians - I stayed there as one of 47 employees).
        In North Ossetia, the efforts of SOIGSI make it clear that a Russian citizen on the territory of the republic feels that he is part of the "Ossetian nation." The way in which "the state is falling apart."
        Perhaps enough to feed such institutions?
        1. Orik
          Orik 7 December 2013 12: 57 New
          +4
          Ossetians forgot how their highlanders slaughtered and who saved them. The Georgian war didn’t benefit, it means they will pay for their ambition with blood.
        2. standby
          standby 7 December 2013 13: 44 New
          +5
          And the institutions and leaders involved in such filing! Although, on the other hand, we still need to look for the root of evil in ourselves. We populated these lands, for a start subjugating them, including by force, and only then bringing the light of the highlanders cults, sciences, etc. At the time of universal pohrenizm, many Russians "forgotten how to love their homeland," not to nat. of politics, now we are reaping the benefits ... In many ways, we have lost the strategic initiative in this direction and the political will to suppress such manifestations. I hope not forever, but we must respond now!
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 7 December 2013 16: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        Do you know what is interesting in these tables? Why do people leave North Ossetia? Well, let’s say Dagestan, Ingushetia’s Chechnya is understandable. But what about Ossetia? Maybe the Ossetians didn’t like the Russians too? Are they so grateful for the salvation or is it something else?

        It would be interesting to compare with similar tables of the entire Caucasus including the former Soviet republics (Armenia, Azeibardzhan, Georgia) and in more detail. By the way, polygamy (like multimarriage) can be imagined only in two cases, the first — in the case of the death of an unacceptable number of men (women) and the second — if it’s macaques and they live in a herd, in this case we should not talk about love only about subordination: the eldest wife, younger, "beloved" and other "ranks" led by the "stoker" head of the pride.
        1. alone
          alone 7 December 2013 17: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: Ivan.
          It would be interesting to compare with similar tables of the entire Caucasus including the former Soviet republics (Armenia, Azeibardzhan, Georgia) and in more detail.


          Please. Now I will give out the statistics that interest you and try to explain the situation in Azerbaijan in this matter.
          Azerbaijan-1989-th. 392 000--2013 120-123 thousand data vary.
          Grusia-341 000
          Armenia-53000 14000

          I don’t know how in other republics, the outflow of the Russian population was due to the fact that, firstly, the Russian army completely left Azerbaijan in 1993. (Naturally, their families also took away). Then the war in Karabakh, a certain part of the people did not want their children participated in the war and left the republic. The difficult economic situation also contributed to the fact that people left the country, moreover, not only Russians, even Azerbaijanis and their families left. Now the situation has returned to normal.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 7 December 2013 17: 44 New
            +1
            Thank you, of course, but I would look at the statistics painted over the years, that it is better to understand the reasons and their overlap with events in the world, etc.
            Congratulations on the normalization and wish you to keep it.
            1. alone
              alone 7 December 2013 18: 07 New
              +2
              Thanks for the wish. I wish you the same.
  2. makarov
    makarov 7 December 2013 07: 55 New
    +6
    SW author. You write a fuli and moan about the problem here- on the site. Sculpt an appeal to the authorities, to Putin and others, write to the UN about the oppression of Russians. There are no fools here, everyone understands everything, only they cannot decide. Finally write to Kadyrov and other chapters that infringe on the Russian people on the ground, react ... We can only read the earlier known and be indignant among ourselves ...
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 7 December 2013 16: 39 New
      -2
      Quote: makarov
      SW author. You write a fuli and moan about the problem here- on the site.

      The source is simply reprinted here. The source http://expert.ru/ is indicated if you are opposed so that we are informed on these issues and say so.
      Quote: makarov
      There are no fools here, everyone understands everything

      Practice shows that this is not so.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 7 December 2013 08: 04 New
    +10
    In my opinion, it is necessary that the Caucasian republics be governed not by local, but by Russian military governors.
    1. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 7 December 2013 08: 55 New
      -2
      Quote: Deniska999
      so that Caucasian republics are governed not by local, but by Russian military governors.

      You live in the wrong era))))
    2. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 7 December 2013 09: 38 New
      -6
      Denisk999 do not write nonsense!
    3. smile
      smile 7 December 2013 16: 00 New
      +7
      Deniska999 (1)
      They kind of pecked you here, but you expressed an absolutely sober thought - the Russians should lead ... not necessarily the military, but preferably.
      Look, who can be recognized in the Caucasus as the most Russian and the most honest of the leaders of the republics? Yunus-Bek Yevkurov.
      Due to the fact that he served all his life, he became a Russian officer and patriot of the Russian State.
      And it was not in vain that he set up so many Russian managers there. Simply, the Russians are not involved in the tribal system, to which some of the titular in the Caucasus began to return.

      Here is the opinion of the titular, which they themselves have repeatedly expressed to me:
      The Russian leader is much more impartial than the title burdened with clan obligations and can resolve disputes between clans in fairness.
      Russians are less corrupt.
      Russian will work for the good of the country, not its clan.

      Like this. The only requirement for the Russian leader is courage and honesty.
      By the way, Yevkurov began to break the clans of Ingushetia when it was there ... worse than in Dagestan, and this unique man will succeed if he is saved. I would put him over the whole Caucasus.
  4. vlad0
    vlad0 7 December 2013 08: 39 New
    +4
    At present, the Russian (i.e., any Russian-speaking) is more concerned about the possibility of losing Belarus and Ukraine. And the Caucasus has long been lost. In addition to the tribute that Russia pays them, nothing more connects with them.
    1. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 7 December 2013 08: 54 New
      -13
      Quote: vlad0
      In addition to the tribute that Russia pays them, nothing more connects with them.


      What tribute do we pay them?
      Are you aware that Rosneft produces oil there many times more than all subsidies of the North Caucasus Federal District ??
      1. smile
        smile 7 December 2013 16: 06 New
        -2
        bolonenkov
        About at times - I can not say. But in general, you are right. The fact that subsidizing republics is sometimes cheaper than destroying bandits is a well-known truth, and it happened under the kings, and in the days of the USSR they were subsidized, and now ...
        And the cries of tribute and "stop feeding the Caucasus" are usually issued by those who crave for the dismemberment of Russia .... well, or barrranes who do not know what they are doing.
        I support you.
        I also note. that the returns from the republics are increasing every year.
  5. VADEL
    VADEL 7 December 2013 08: 44 New
    +1
    How many centuries has it all been lost and lost, lost and lost? recourse But when is it finally ...? crying
    1. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 7 December 2013 08: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: VADEL
      How many centuries has it all been lost and lost, lost and lost? But when is it finally ...?


      Do not wait!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 December 2013 11: 20 New
        -5
        Quote: bolonenkov
        Do not wait!

        ... I am waiting too ... when you will be at least a sergeant fellow but I look .. while you will write like that in the future, more corporal You will not rise wassat
        1. smile
          smile 7 December 2013 16: 16 New
          +3
          smersh70
          So I did not expect from you such attention to the pluses and minuses .... is it really so important for you that you take them as a criterion of truth? :)))

          By the way, what did you dislike about the words of a colleague? That the Caucasus was and will remain ours? That we do not pay tribute to anyone?
          Well, I say that too .... I have already become a virtual corporal .... will you now consider me right because of my rank? :))))
          And if you crave the separation of the Caucasus from Russia, then I repeat to you the words of colleague bolonenkov - DO NOT WAIT!
          Rather, the Turks will make you forget such a nationality - "Azerbaijani", and your state will disappear from the map of the World absorbed by Turkey, than the Caucasus will be torn away from Russia. :)))
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 7 December 2013 23: 10 New
            0
            Quote: smile
            So I did not expect from you such attention to the pluses and minuses .... is it really so important for you that you take them as a criterion of truth? :)))

            yes it was a friendly sarcasm)))) you don’t see smaliks chtoli))) and so I always agree with him ... he always writes the truth, which diverges from the opinion of many ....
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 7 December 2013 23: 47 New
              +1
              I immediately understood your sarcasm and even set a plus in order to neutralize at least one minus, I’m sure that all or almost all of the minuses by mistake are a common feature here inattention and haste, I myself got into such situations, even the usually attentive Vladimir “smiley” laughed. Regarding Bolonenkov, maybe he always writes the truth, but rarely the truth. We must not forget that many people read comments fluently.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 7 December 2013 23: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: Ivan.
                I immediately understood your sarcasm and even put a plus

                Dzyakuyu land !!! it's just a smile everywhere sees me as enemy number 1))))))
                Quote: Ivan.
                maybe he always writes the truth but rarely the truth.
                laughing class .... mixed ...
                Quote: Ivan.
                many people read comments fluently.


                that's for sure .. I also sometimes reading \ at work, I sin by this behavior))))
                1. smile
                  smile 8 December 2013 00: 36 New
                  +2
                  smersh70
                  I repented and put you another plus sign ... honestly, honestly ... taperich am I forgiven? :)))
                  I’m ashamed, I think I consider myself a humorist ... is this well, it turns out, I deceived myself? :)))
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 8 December 2013 15: 29 New
                    +2
                    Quote: smile
                    honestly, honestly ... taperich am I forgiven? :)))

                    .And how laughing considering your still Caucasian origin)))))
                2. Ivan.
                  Ivan. 8 December 2013 01: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: smersh70
                  I also sometimes reading at work

                  Well, right, what else to do at work?
                  smile
                  Quote: smersh70
                  just smile everywhere sees me as enemy number 1

                  Very good, pays attention, good sign laughing .
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 8 December 2013 01: 17 New
                    +2
                    1-let the tractor work, because it’s an iron. 2-SMAILE is a great man and he speaks from the bottom of his heart, so please call
                    1. Ivan.
                      Ivan. 8 December 2013 01: 44 New
                      +2
                      Denis, I’m not sorry, you forgot to add that his statements have depth, thoughtfulness and responsibility, and yet he is not yet old!
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 8 December 2013 01: 54 New
                        +2
                        Well, so you live. Old age is a business. But in general, Volodya is right and I support him in this matter. However, like SMERSH (Vurgun) my friend is right on the site.
                      2. smile
                        smile 8 December 2013 04: 52 New
                        +1
                        Ivan.
                        Ivan, maybe I'm a starrrr ... I’m 71 years old ... but when you ... you ... say that my nonsense has depth ... this ..- thoughtfulness ... and even more so- responsibility - this is definitely not about me, you are mistaken:)))) ........ you know, I’m banal to the impossibility ..... well ... what is it .... Therefore ... not here tryndet about me in the third person .... here! :))))
                        And then I swear at you ... bad words ... here. :))))
                      3. Ivan.
                        Ivan. 8 December 2013 14: 56 New
                        +2
                        Quote: smile
                        .but when you ... you ... speak

                        Decide whether you or you, you don’t turn to a friend, but you should suspect him of every person you meet. I can see from your side what your nonsense possesses, although yes you are not sinless, but ... don’t get carried away with self-flagellation - you’re not 100% Russian smile -that's your true face laughing . Regarding the third person, you were not here; your guests had to start without you; forgive me magnanimously, apparently they just left, you feel good and you decided to recoup on me! Regarding sincerity, many here speak sincerely, but not everyone wants to read. Thanks for the banality now this is a rare occurrence. Back with respect!
                      4. smile
                        smile 8 December 2013 17: 57 New
                        +3
                        Ivan.
                        Accepted.
                        I am generous, forgive.
                        I was simply indignant, they were discussing me with something, forgetting to mention the appeal of his (my) excellency .... :)))))
                        I’m running away until you slipped into me with a slipper. :)))
                        Yeah, thanks again, here.
                        And you’re right - the guests left me by that time (they just didn’t leave, and I laid them out to sleep) ... but, you know, sometimes in this state, the lonely landlord, full of drunken sleeping friends, is not happy ....: ))) in general, then everything is clear :)))
                3. smile
                  smile 8 December 2013 04: 34 New
                  +1
                  Day 11
                  Dan, thank you .... I really speak from the bottom of my heart .... thanks again ... to you ... here! :)))))
        2. smile
          smile 8 December 2013 00: 32 New
          +1
          smersh70
          Bliiiiin ... if it was humor, then I laughed ... the prolapse came out ... ignore the old man ... is one plus sign enough for compensation? Or have you spat on my back? :)))
          I say right away that I have nothing to take from me, since I am a greedy passion, so do not expect any other compensation. :)))
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 8 December 2013 15: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: smile
            I'm greedy, passion

            greed will be taken into account with the restaurant ... when, as a senior, pay by the counter)) 0a here you must obey Marshal .. who are you ... hi
  • koksalek
    koksalek 7 December 2013 09: 06 New
    +5
    Relocate the Kremlin with all officials to the Caucasus and the result will be on the face. Because they don’t see a nifig from behind a red brick wall, different fantasies crawl into their heads
  • Normal
    Normal 7 December 2013 09: 09 New
    +19
    Why we lose the North Caucasus

    Because;
    Today, the creation and strengthening is considered the alpha and omega of Russian national policy. united Russian nation.

    And no "single Russian nation" in nature exists. As someone wrote on the forum; "Among the many peoples of the Russian Federation, the people calling themselves multinational, could not be found"

    We are losing the Caucasus because there is no power behind the Russians. Power is not on the side of the Russians in any interethnic conflict.

    During the period of conquering (repeated) and the development of the Caucasus, power and the Russian population were on the same side. The Russian population, by its existence, ensured the connection of the Caucasus with Russia, and the imperial power severely punished the natives for crimes against the Russians.
    Now power in Russia is "multinational", but not imperial or Russian, which is why we are losing the Caucasus.
    1. Orik
      Orik 7 December 2013 10: 35 New
      +4
      "The first philanthropy - to my own, but I believe that the mountaineers have the right to provide only what remains on their lot after satisfying the last of Russian interests."
      Count Nikolai Evdokimov, conqueror of Chechnya
    2. 225chay
      225chay 7 December 2013 10: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Normal
      power in Russia is "multinational", but not imperial or Russian, which is why we are losing the Caucasus.

      most likely she is anti-Russian ...
      1. Normal
        Normal 7 December 2013 15: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: 225chay
        most likely she is anti-Russian ...

        In the original spelling it was. But I have to adhere to a certain framework, since I already have a reputation for “natsik” among overly tolerant and internationally friendly moderators and national old-timers of the site
  • George
    George 7 December 2013 09: 13 New
    +5
    In my opinion, the whole thing is to underestimate the self-esteem of our people, although the thoughts about the intentional underestimation of this assessment by the authorities do not look so seditious, given the blindness and deafness in relation to their citizens on non-Caucasian lands.
    When the Wahhabis calmly preach their ideas in Moscow, what order can there be?
    In Chechnya, our citizens (not only Russians) in the 90's got a real genocide, although there was an overwhelming percentage of Russians there. What is this talking about? In my opinion, that we are accustomed to protection and patronage and only perplexedly watched how they cut us out, although it was necessary to soak our hands with blood.
    But in the Chechen Republic, the Caucasus does not begin and does not end, only everything in my opinion comes down to one thing - we won’t be men who can put the insolent and the boor (no matter what nationality) in their place, and the chickens will bury us. Be strong and honest, and there will be respect .IMHO of course.
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 7 December 2013 11: 11 New
      +6
      Somewhere I read back in 1991-192 in Chechnya in the Russian organized a genocide? Truth? How many beli and how much they are now .. Shrovetide wrote horrible things ... Who is to blame? Why is this alcoholic Yeltsin did not send troops in 1992 and waited until all the Russians were beaten and driven away ... It's a shame for Russia, it pays to the local elite that it maintained order. And if there is no money? What will happen? War ... but this time it is necessary to lead to the end ...
      1. smile
        smile 7 December 2013 16: 50 New
        +4
        Bagatur
        Hello.
        I do not remember the exact numbers. but I don’t want to double-check. I will limit myself to the big picture.
        So, at the time of the collapse of the Union, about a million lived in Chechnya, about three hundred Russian-speaking people.
        When at the end of perestroika the destruction of our state began under the slogan “Down with corrupt party apparatchiks” (with the same goals now shouting “down with swindlers and thieves” on Bolotnaya), separatism arose in all republics (to find out who organized it, google what created Bandera "Block of enslaved peoples").
        By the 91s, Soviet power had almost disappeared in Chechnya. staoli use slaves - abducted Russians. Later, genocide began. According to the captured data of the Chechen police who served Dudaev, in the period from 94 to 60 (until ours arrived) about XNUMX thousand murders of Russian-speakers were recorded in Chechnya — they recorded corpses.
        Nobody really knows how many Russians were killed there, estimates from 91 to 99 are from 60 to 100 .... Now they write in Chechnya, there are about 000 thousand Russians left ... I don’t believe, to be honest, I would be there did not stay ...
        I myself was there in the year 94-95 ..... I will not say here what was happening there ... for various reasons, including ethical ones ....
        Almost all those who were not killed, fled, without any help from the state.
        I personally helped to arrange a girl in Kaliningrad, who previously worked at the ill-fated train station of Grozny, and her mother - everyone who remained from their large family ....

        What did Yeltsin do at that time?
        Strengthening his power .... not only did he actually ruin the Union to become the one-man boss of Russia - otherwise he did not shine to replace Gorbachov ... so he also allowed All republics to take sovereignty as much as they wanted ... that's his phrase literally .... they took, and they took native Russian territories and everything that is bad .....
        The Chechens also wanted ... they also took .... Yeltsin handed them weapons and military equipment, up to the military equipment of the Shalinsky tank regiment and the L39 UTS .... Grada tanks ... firearms for seventy thousand barrels ... and, preparing for a fight for the Caucasus, Dudaev freely, having his aviation brought in arms and military equipment, instructors and even the hell knows from anywhere - and from Turkey and Azerbaijan, Georgia and the Saudis .... our corrupt comrades in uniform sold a lot to him during the withdrawal of troops ... To get money (in addition to foreign aid) Chechnya turned out to be the most widespread scam in Russia in the entire post-Soviet history - with bank notes ... you can google it too - the story was loud ...
        So, nobody cared about people.
        Sorry to be so chaotic, but this is a topic that I, for some reason, cannot write calmly.
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 7 December 2013 20: 07 New
          +2
          It's a shame for Russia .. it's a pity this slaykhat! Hold on brotherly, and do not let Bot again the war broke out do not think what to do! Take Kalash and .... what the saber will show!
          1. smile
            smile 7 December 2013 20: 57 New
            +1
            Bagatur
            Thanks, Nikolay. We won’t go anywhere, the time of retreat has passed ... I would not want to fight, but if you have to, you’re right, the saber will show. We had worse times, but the Russians went through everything, put everything out ... and everyone who threatened our existence sooner or later was ravened. And nothing has changed. Russia stood and will stand, spiteful to all enemies. Even internal. Rather, especially internal. since they are for us, as it turned out, the most dangerous :)))
        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 8 December 2013 01: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: smile
          Sorry to be so chaotic, but this is a topic that I, for some reason, cannot write calmly.


          Good day, Vladimir.

          Thanks for your comments, read everything.
          I will not say that I agree with everything in the absolute, but I fully support.
          It is a pity that there are few in the discussion of the article by those who veins or served there.

          It is a pity that I did not have time to participate in the conversation. And at the moment I can’t write - Malekho tired to the point.

          Good luck!
          drinks
          1. smile
            smile 8 December 2013 04: 24 New
            +1
            Aleks tv
            Thank you! ..... you will laugh, but I personally used your quotes as an argument to some comrades .... I will not say what helped ... but I got it for sure ..... :))))))
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 8 December 2013 14: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: smile
              but penetrated for sure .....

              repeat
              Humor is our weapon.

              And we will tirelessly hammer their brains to those who pretend to be at the top of swagger of their own cheap arrogance.
              yes

              Damn, almost the slogan turned out ...
              laughing
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 7 December 2013 16: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: bagatura
        Why is this alcoholic Yeltsin did not send troops in 1992 and waited until all the Russians were beaten and driven away

        Because the hunchbacked initiated these processes throughout the Union and thwarted attempts to solve them, all the confrontations were contrary to his policies, most of them found out details only in the second half of the 90s. But ebn only "reigned" for his own pleasure and, according to his admission, he "felt" how "the people live poorly but not for long" more was not allowed to him.
        1. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 7 December 2013 21: 02 New
          +2
          Ivan, I see you are plagiarizing)))
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 7 December 2013 21: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Petrovich
            Ivan, I see you are plagiarizing)))

            I was dealing, my previous coat of arms was not so pretty and there were no delicious grapes on it. Ready to offset losses smile now we can be distinguished only by name laughing ! In the meantime, the advance +.
            1. Alexander Petrovich
              Alexander Petrovich 7 December 2013 22: 02 New
              +1
              Well, now there are two of us, thanks for the advance, I will thank you the same)
      3. George
        George 7 December 2013 18: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: bagatura
        Somewhere I read back in 1991-192 in Chechnya that they committed genocide in Russians? True? How many were and how many are they now ..

        Nobody will tell exact numbers, although I am inclined to believe Pancake week.
        Quote: bagatura
        Why is this alcoholic Yeltsin did not send troops 1992 g. And waited until all the Russians were beaten and driven away ... It's a shame for Russia

        There are many culprits, and no one answered.
        It's a shame to tears, but with us they do only what we ourselves allow ourselves to do.
        The trouble is that the Russians who fled from there did not always receive support from our citizens, but the media did not reveal the fullness of the tragedy, or rather, completely ignored it.
        1. smile
          smile 7 December 2013 21: 13 New
          +1
          George
          The media did not just not talk about what happened to the Russians there - they were engaged in praising the proud freedom fighters and pouring mud at our troops ... aphids, "federals" ... until now, as I recall Masiuk, Politkovskaya ... Kovalev’s ... rage is rolling .... Well, at least the first two Chechens themselves showed their true face ....
          1. George
            George 7 December 2013 22: 14 New
            +2
            smile
            I agree with you.
            Quote: smile
            .till now, as I recall Masyuk, Politkovskaya ... of the same Kovalev ... rage is rolling ....

            You are not alone .
            Quote: smile
            . Well, even the first two Chechens themselves showed their true face ....

            I strongly doubt that they do not know about the true face of these animals.
  • Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 7 December 2013 09: 30 New
    +10
    Yes, nothing will change until there is a competent policy. Right now, there is an absolutely mediocre infusion of a huge amount of money, half of which is stolen in the best Russian traditions. Let Sev. The Caucasus will be directly subordinate to the president of the Russian Federation, then the president himself will know: how much and when to send money to develop this or that sphere. There is no question of relative calm, since there are almost every day operations in different cities of Dagestan (just not all are shown by the federal media)
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 7 December 2013 09: 59 New
      +9
      Quote: Akhmed Osmanov
      Right now, there is an absolutely mediocre infusion of a huge amount of money, half of which is stolen in the best Russian traditions.

      They do not steal in your understanding, Ahmed. And you understand this, better than anyone else. A chain has long been built.
      At federal subsidies, land plots are bought in Russian regions. In all, without exception. This money goes through the channels of community and clans to bribe city administrations. They are opening, not production, but all kinds of buy-and-sell companies (vegetable stores), retail outlets, on which tons of Chinese junk.
      Salvage from proceeds goes to support terrorism (proved by special services, evident from criminal reports).
      Terror in the republics of DICHKI serves to once again intimidate the Kremlin and pump out the next subsidies / handouts to (supposedly) support the population of the Caucasus.
      The circle is closed.
      Total. For taxes from the population of the Russian republics we ourselves “buy” idlers at home. We also carry cash to the markets, while sponsoring explosions in the subway ourselves.
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 7 December 2013 09: 42 New
    +6
    I think in the North. The Caucasus understands that leaving Russia is a death, so this is all hysteria! As for the national policy in Russia, it simply DOES NOT exist (no well thought out or thought out). So that is all!
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 7 December 2013 21: 29 New
      +1
      And where will they go? Who will feed them to the dump and turn a blind eye to all crimes? What will be done outside of Russia ... robbery, abduction of slaves and drug trafficking ... Where and who will suffer them?
  • drop
    drop 7 December 2013 09: 46 New
    +8
    Yes, the outcome of the Russian-speaking population from the Caucasus to the face. Recall how we developed the Caucasus. In Armenia, there were innovative research institutes for the creation of a ZVM, in Georgia an aircraft factory, etc. There was a state policy. Young specialists went there. I had to create scientific research institutes and factories in Dagestan (Makhach Kale, Dylym and other districts) from scratch. Along with the construction, we knew what products would be produced on them. Therefore, personnel were trained in Chelyabinsk and Leningrad, including workers. The plant in Mahach Kale was introduced comprehensively. I remember that the Chairman of the Government was warned that he would not sign the act until the trolleybus and trolleybus run from the center to the plant. The Minister had to ask for money for this work. On the first trolleybus then I drove with the leadership of the Republic and Rasul Gamzatov. Then the Russians went there to work. He created all conditions for life, but nobody thought about fear for life.
    You are right, we do not have a program for the development of the Caucasus, we must immediately create it so that these young horsemen do not go to Russia, but work on their own.
    So we created programs for each region where growth was planned. Now the Minister of Economic Development proposes the resettlement of single-industry towns instead of their development. This people will not understand.
    1. Heccrbq.3
      Heccrbq.3 7 December 2013 10: 09 New
      -7
      Aircraft factory, not an airplane, diploma. laughing
      1. Normal
        Normal 7 December 2013 21: 35 New
        +2
        A drop of RU Today, 09:46 AM
        Yes, the outcome of the Russian-speaking population from the Caucasus to the face. Recall how we developed the Caucasus. In Armenia, there were innovative research institutes for the creation of a ZVM, in Georgia an aircraft factory
        Quote: Heccrbq.3
        Aircraft factory, not an airplane, diploma.

        To be precise, in Tbilisi there was not an aircraft building but an aircraft repair plant. Two, a maximum of three Mig 29 per year - this is not the aircraft industry. In addition, those who were on a business trip at this plant said that the local step-ladders were knocked out from under the Russians - they did not give work. What in Moscow, on the "Banner of Labor" was done in hours, in Tbilisi was done in two working days.
        Here is a "production", such a "friendship" am
        1. drop
          drop 7 December 2013 23: 14 New
          +1
          At this aircraft factory (I specifically called it aircraft building), MiG-21 were produced at the time simultaneously with two other plants of the USSR. Repair work was carried out by our other plants. At the factory in Tbilisi, work of a different nature was also carried out. But all the work at this plant was not carried out at a high level. Not that at the Gorky factory.
        2. drop
          drop 7 December 2013 23: 14 New
          0
          At this aircraft factory (I specifically called it aircraft building), MiG-21 were produced at the time simultaneously with two other plants of the USSR. Repair work was carried out by our other plants. At the factory in Tbilisi, work of a different nature was also carried out. But all the work at this plant was not carried out at a high level. Not that at the Gorky factory.
          1. Normal
            Normal 7 December 2013 23: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Drop
            Not that at the Gorky factory.

            When I was at the “Banner of Labor" in Gorky, the Mig-29 UB sparks were produced.
            In 1985, the MiG-29UB was launched into serial production at the Gorky Aviation Production Association (GAPO). S. Ordzhonikidze (now AOOT Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft Building Plant (NGAZ) Sokol). At the same time, for the first time, the main parts of the airframe (wing, keels, stabilizer, most elements of the fuselage structure) were made in Moscow, at the Znamya Truda plant, and sent to Gorky, where the front part of the fuselage was built, the aircraft was finally assembled and equipment was assembled. Later, the Sokol NGAZ mastered the full production cycle of the aircraft - from the manufacture of all parts and assemblies to final assembly. The MiG-29UB was officially adopted into service in 1991. By that time, almost two hundred of such vehicles had already been built in Gorky.

            www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig29ub.html
    2. Ahmed Osmanov
      Ahmed Osmanov 7 December 2013 10: 15 New
      +6
      Thank you for your work. If what you say is true, then you earned respect without a doubt. Regarding the Russian population, no one has the right to expel them from Dagestan, since they are one of the 40 nationalities living in Dagestan.

      And to be honest, I’m already tired of living in a republic where people see life through the prism of F.M. Dostoevsky's "Crime and Punishment." Where in this case St. Petersburg is described not as a cultural capital, a city of colorful lights, beautiful people, beautiful life, but as a city in which revelry of crime, injustice, etc. reigns. But today, this city is not St. Petersburg, but a whole region called the North Caucasus, in particular, Dagestan.

      And yet, every story of the Great Writers is relevant to this day, and will always be. hi
    3. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 7 December 2013 11: 55 New
      +4
      Yuri Grigoryevich, so you are one of those great and bright People ..? My regards...
      1. drop
        drop 7 December 2013 12: 45 New
        +6
        So for sure, only I did my job and developed the country. It is a pity that Shevarnadze and Gromyko brought to power Gorbachev, not Romanov. The country would be different.
      2. drop
        drop 7 December 2013 12: 45 New
        +2
        So for sure, only I did my job and developed the country. It is a pity that Shevarnadze and Gromyko brought to power Gorbachev, not Romanov. The country would be different.
    4. Ivan.
      Ivan. 7 December 2013 17: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Drop
      You are right, we do not have a program for the development of the Caucasus, we must immediately create it so that these young horsemen do not go to Russia, but work on their own.

      The problem is not what they are going to, as you put it, in Russia, but why and what it results in. The described economic problems are everywhere not only in the Caucasus, but they "stink" stronger than everyone else there.
  • BARKAS
    BARKAS 7 December 2013 10: 33 New
    +4
    The rulers of the republics of the North Caucasus completely lack the desire and need to establish close ties not only with Russia but also with their neighbors, the exclusion of Adygea, which is rather closely integrated with Kuban, is just one of many reasons for what is happening in the Caucasus! Only bandits have complete mutual understanding there.
  • Corporal
    Corporal 7 December 2013 10: 44 New
    0
    First, it is necessary to strengthen the army, reduce corruption, restore order in the country, and significantly raise Russia's status in the world. Then it will be possible to take for the North Caucasus. In the meantime, we have nothing to cover their cards with.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 7 December 2013 17: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Efreytor
      First, it is necessary to strengthen the army, reduce corruption, restore order in the country, and significantly raise Russia's status in the world. Then it will be possible to take for the North Caucasus. In the meantime, we have nothing to cover their cards with.

      First you need everything at once and then the rest, Russia has more than one pair of hands to cope with, and the problem is only one government, not ours, only partially OUR people are in power. If you pay attention to some of the problems to the detriment of others, then - sdets will come unnoticed but for sure.
  • optimist
    optimist 7 December 2013 10: 58 New
    +6
    Either the Stalinist methods, or the loss of the Caucasus. While the putler chews on the snot and kisses in the ... Kadyrku, this whole mess, terrorism and banditry will not go anywhere ...
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 7 December 2013 10: 59 New
    +6
    ... Russian migration programs to Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan were implemented. However, judging by the dynamics of the Russian population, programs in all republics failed ...


    So I neighing, they would have organized a program of voluntary resettlement of rabbits to a boa constrictor wassat And then they would be surprised, but what is wrong? Most of the population there hates Russia and the Russians simply because they exist, and secondly, because the infidels and authorities hush up the Chechen pogroms and mass killings of the Russian population in Chechnya in 90, of course, this does not agree with the party’s policy " And different moronic tolerasts arrange moronic programs, and then they wonder why the "square wheel does not ride." Show me a healthy, secular person who will take his family to live in some kind of Wachabite village?
    1. Ahmed Osmanov
      Ahmed Osmanov 7 December 2013 13: 37 New
      +4
      "Most of the population there hates Russia and Russians." What nonsense are you talking about? Or is it better to know from Israel who hates whom ?! Stop lying, that here Russians are killed only because they are Russians, utter nonsense. For that matter, why is Israel supporting people living in "villages" and killing civilians in Syria. Ah well then everything is clear, because there the terrorists are fighting for "democracy, freedom"
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 7 December 2013 14: 13 New
        -2
        Quote: Akhmed Osmanov
        "Most of the population there hates Russia and Russians." What nonsense are you talking about? Or is it better to know from Israel who hates whom ?! Stop lying, that here Russians are killed only because they are Russians, utter nonsense. For that matter, why is Israel supporting people living in "villages" and killing civilians in Syria. Ah well then everything is clear, because there the terrorists are fighting for "democracy, freedom"


        Amendment, Israel in Syria DOESN’T support ANYTHING at all, both sides of the cohort of “sluggish martyrs in the name of Islam,” and it makes no difference that some Shiites and others are Sunni, the war in Syria is insanity called Jihad - meaningless and merciless, neither its causes, nor its consequences - they really don’t do the weather for us.

    2. UmaR
      UmaR 7 December 2013 16: 19 New
      +1
      And our army

      Most do not see the Russian complete bullshit bullshit.

      But it’s not there that most-all hate you, and not only there but everywhere! By the way, you started this whole mess in Russia, I would write a few lines about you, but I'm afraid Moder will not miss ...
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 8 December 2013 00: 54 New
        0
        Quote: UmaR
        And our army

        Most do not see the Russian complete bullshit bullshit.

        But it’s not there that most-all hate you, and not only there but everywhere! By the way, you started this whole mess in Russia, I would write a few lines about you, but I'm afraid Moder will not miss ...


        Yeah, I personally started, on my own, alone, straight from the school desk wassat
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 8 December 2013 00: 59 New
          +1
          But what, is Umar wrong? Although there are good men among you, they are a minority. Tidy your own (this is me personally to you).
    3. ddmm09
      ddmm09 7 December 2013 17: 30 New
      -2
      And Us Rat, I want to remind you that your compatriots and, apparently, you have already moved to foreign territories, which you took from other states and somehow you are not talking about the “boa constrictor!”
      In addition, do not forget how your troops behave towards the Palestinians! .. We Russians are in the position of humanity, if they do not understand us or, God forbid, they understand us wrong, then we will begin to assert ourselves by other methods.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 8 December 2013 02: 16 New
        -1
        Quote: ddmm09
        In addition, do not forget how your troops behave towards the Palestinians! ..


        And how do you propose to behave with a people who officially, in kindergartens and schools, teach their children that killing a Jew is good for Allah, that a Jew is not a person and has no right to live, and that heroism is becoming a suicide bomber? How would you behave in this position? They already proved everything when Israel left Gaza, the Palestinians are not fighting for land, this is a fairy tale for European liberals and tolerasts, their cherished dream is the genocide of Jews.

  • Orik
    Orik 7 December 2013 11: 11 New
    +3
    Everything written in the article is true, but secondary. Primarily the state of the Russian people. The destruction of our people did not begin in 1991 and not in 1917, but under Peter I. Peter began the destruction of Russian society, there was a separation of the people and the elite, a life that was rebuilt in the Western spirit, the foundation was laid for the destruction of the national soul starting with the introduction of foreign clothing, culture, morality, perversions such as smoking, a whore on the throne was even theoretically not possible in Moscow Russia and much more. Some researchers claim that Peter's reforms led to 1917, here the Russian identity received a crushing blow, the remains of Russian power were destroyed, Russian capital was plundered, the spirituality of the people was destroyed. Except for a brief moment of Stalin's modernization, an uncompromising struggle was waged against “Russian chauvinism” under Soviet rule, nationalism was growing not only in the Caucasus, but also in Ukraine. Judas of the type of Khrushchev continued to finish off the remnants of Russian civilization; the Andropov hated Russians and fought with the “Russians”. In 1985-1991 came outright Satanists who, in order to achieve their goals, ensured the growth of nationalism in the republics (popular fronts were born under the wing of the KGB) and continued to fight the Russians, the only force that could save the USSR. Now we see the same “Russian” article 282 introduced, the genocide of the Russian people is taking place not only in the republics, but also in the places of their indigenous residence, propaganda of the “united Russian nation”, “dear Russians” as the struggle said.
    NO and there will not be a "single Russian nation" and "dear Russians." Either the RUSSIAN people will come out of non-existence, return to their original values, give a different value choice to the world, or not only Russia, but the world will come to a new slavery, where a handful of Satanists will rule not only over the bodies, but also the souls of people. As you can see, there is a high motive for RUSSIAN modernization, there is an edge where you need to start turning the earth backwards "with your foot off the Urals," I hope that there is still strength left in the people for this struggle. The struggle for the right to be a MAN and, as always, to return this right to other nations!
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 7 December 2013 12: 54 New
      +1
      Now the Russians are fragmented and disorganized. The state will never take care of the Russian people; it is used to solve its problems at the expense of the people. Do not eat up on the words of the balabol in power, but decide their own fate.
    2. smile
      smile 7 December 2013 17: 09 New
      +3
      Orik
      Your statement "people's fronts were created under the wing of the KGB" is untenable. Of course, the KGB tried to control them; it was precisely Judas from the top who destroyed the USSR that did not give them any more to destroy.
      For example, the Lithuanian leaders of Sayudis are now happy to write memoirs and give out interviews, which describe in detail how. when and where they were formed, trained, assisted by foreign intelligence services ... they are proud of it. And so it was in all the republics. One of the central foreign hotbeds of separatism we had the Block of enslaved peoples, created by Bandera, and then deepened and expanded by the Americans .... they did not even change the name ... under ... ki ... Take an interest in its activities. The entire "elite" that came to power in the republics after the collapse of the Union was brought up and supervised from there. In relation to Ukraine, this is well shown in Leontyev’s film “Orange Children of the Third Reich”.
      1. Orik
        Orik 7 December 2013 22: 58 New
        +1
        Do not know, do not speak. Azerbaijan.
        “Like throughout the USSR, the organization of the Popular Front was controlled by the then KGB. Moreover, many of the leaders of the PFA directly collaborated with him. It makes me laugh when some leaders of the Popular Front say that the organization was created in the wake of the national liberation movement in Azerbaijan. Not a single organization in the USSR, especially informal, could be created without the direct participation of the KGB. And these people could not take any independent steps without coordination. I have repeatedly asked them: why do we need to create a front and against whom are we creating it, if the Armenians have already opened it against us? I suggested that they unite in one front - against the Armenians. But they were not much interested in the Karabakh problem, and they longed for the authorities, doing everything in order to destabilize the situation in the republic, ”A. Mutalibov said.

        Touching upon the question of why the former chairman of the KGB of the USSR, Vladimir Kryuchkov, forbade the arrest of the leaders of the Popular Front, who were destroying the Azerbaijani-Iranian and Azerbaijani-Turkish border, A, Mutalibov said that they were a creature of the KGB.

        Latvia
        Widespread funding was opened for the Popular Fronts through the KGB and party bodies. Newspapers and magazines, as well as television time, began to be transmitted to them. Tough instructions were sent by the party organs to the primary party organizations to demand that the Communists join the Popular Fronts and create primary organizations in enterprises and organizations. I know of cases when a number of party committee secretaries of large Riga enterprises received party penalties for the poor work of forming NFL organizations at their enterprises.

        Next, type in the search engine "KGB Popular Fronts" and read.
        1. smile
          smile 8 December 2013 18: 11 New
          +1
          Orik
          Excuse me, but I can pull you quotes in tyrnet, according to which KeiBi carried out repressions during the time of Ivan the Terrible, nicknamed for the cruelty of Vasilyevich, organized the famine in Ukraine, forced Hitler to attack the USSR, in order to conquer world domination by the USSR, cunningly destroyed the Union, so that the population understood the nastiness of capitalism, and rushed to communism ....
          Therefore, I'm sorry, but I must return your phrase to you - "Do not know, do not say" ...

          This is especially true of the Baltic states. Your opinion about the fact that, for example, Sayudis created the KGB in Lithuania .... unimaginable ... so to speak, is incorrect. I won’t even laugh ... because, despite the dissimilarity of the positions, you make a good impression. Think again. And be more attentive to the assessment of information extracted from their tyrneta.
  • Orik
    Orik 7 December 2013 11: 27 New
    +6
    Quote: And Us Rat
    So I neighing, they would have organized a program of voluntary resettlement of rabbits to a boa constrictor wassat

    Notice! We are (rightly) in a state created by the blood of our ancestors compared with rabbits, and dirty, stupid bandits have been robbing neighbors and grazing goats for centuries and not able to create elementary statehood with a boa constrictor. But these bandits honor the elders, family values, do not betray their strangers, they win by their unity. It is time to become again a boa constrictor who swallows and digests peoples, states, while respecting the national identity of others, he did not allow anyone to teach himself how to live. Think!
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 7 December 2013 12: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Orik
      while respecting the national identity of others

      Quote: Orik
      and dirty, stupid bandits for centuries robbing neighbors and grazing goats and unable to create elementary statehood

      Your original respect for the national identity of others. You want to say that we Caucasians identified ourselves as dirty and stupid, and you only stated this?
      1. Orik
        Orik 7 December 2013 13: 19 New
        +4
        Caucasians have a big concept, but in Chechnya there were slaves even in the late USSR, I don’t want to speak for everyone. We gave you a written language that shows the level of cultural development.
        For the non-literate peoples of the Caucasus, even in pre-revolutionary times, attempts were made to create a variety of alphabets based on Georgian, Arabic, Russian and Latin graphic systems. However, most Caucasian languages ​​did not have a written language: Avar, Dargin, Lak, Lezgin, Tabasaran, Abkhaz, Abazin, Adyghe, Kabardino-Circassian, Ingush and Chechen and some others. As a result of active language construction, new alphabets were developed for 18 languages ​​of the Caucasus. Some attempts to create alphabets were successful, some only created difficulties and confused an already difficult question.
        Читать полностью: http://www.km.ru/referats/D6ED5828F0964B1D9B78BA1C9EB9C62A

        They created industry, education in the Caucasus RUSSIANS, which were then cut and driven out. And do not grimace supposedly we are so proud. Gangsterism, robbery, life at the expense of other nations, culture, and customs were punished no one touched. Do you want to live like you lived at home (!) In the aul, and you want to develop, grow, be kind, live according to the laws of the country. How many more livestock will you behave ?!
        1. Ahmed Osmanov
          Ahmed Osmanov 7 December 2013 13: 40 New
          0
          "Notice! We (rightly) in the state created by the blood of our ancestors are compared with rabbits, and dirty, stupid bandits have been robbing neighbors and grazing goats for centuries and not able to create elementary statehood with a boa constrictor. But these bandits revere elders, family values, and do not betray their strangers "They win with their unity. It's time to become a boa again who swallowed and digested peoples and states, while respecting the national identity of others, he didn’t let anyone teach himself how to live. Think!"

          Thanks for the compliment! And in general I can’t understand how our state still maintains its integrity.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 13: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Akhmed Osmanov
            these bandits honor the elders, family values, do not betray their strangers

            Yeah. Especially they revered them when they covered themselves with children in Beslan. Yes, and when they are taken alive they don’t betray, they stupidly surrender everyone.
            1. Very old
              Very old 7 December 2013 13: 59 New
              +4
              Ahmed and Alexander:
              What happened? What was missing?
              The beast will remain the beast.
              In any case, people should remain people.
              How many times have we been through this?
              Ahmed, the state is preserved by Reason
              1. Ahmed Osmanov
                Ahmed Osmanov 7 December 2013 14: 28 New
                +3
                Thank you Valentine! You quite rightly noticed.
            2. Ahmed Osmanov
              Ahmed Osmanov 7 December 2013 14: 24 New
              0
              This is an Orika quote, not mine.
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 7 December 2013 13: 41 New
          +6
          Quote: Orik
          How many more livestock will you behave ?!

          You generalize again. So while you will generalize, and be specifically interested in me, not knowing me at all how much I will still behave like cattle, there can be nothing constructive in the dialogue between us. In a national sense, this translates into a dislike of Russians for Caucasians and Caucasians for Russians. Because the first do not like the behavior of specific Caucasians but they project it on everyone. And the second ones who behave normally do not like that they are generalized and compared with cattle.
          Last weekend, near one of the trendiest cafes in the city, a Russian guy was scouring a Russian girl on the street. He flunked her to the ground, dragged her hair and beat her in the face. not for long the truth is good. No one intervened, including guarding this cafe. The crowd stood watching and no one intervened. Do I now have to judge the whole Russian people by the behavior of this ghoul? It’s not right, because you learn to separate the grain from the chaff. And then it is not noticeable as respect for identity and so on.
          1. Orik
            Orik 7 December 2013 14: 29 New
            -1
            Last weekend, near one of the trendiest cafes in the city, a Russian guy was scouring a Russian girl on the street. He flunked her to the ground, dragged her hair and beat her in the face. not for long the truth is good. No one intervened, including guarding this cafe. The crowd stood watching and no one intervened. Do I now have to judge the whole Russian people by the behavior of this ghoul?

            Thank you for giving just this example, I know even worse ones. The problem is not even individual examples, but the general degradation of the Russian people. This is the TROUBLE of my people, and my friend is in trouble. Unfortunately in recent years, we realized that we have no friends. All the distant (Bulgarians, Serbs) and neighbors betrayed us, probably it was worth it to go through to understand who is who.
            You generalize again. So while you will generalize, and be specifically interested in me, not knowing me at all how much I will still behave like cattle, there can be nothing constructive in the dialogue between us. In a national sense, this translates into a dislike of Russians for Caucasians and Caucasians for Russians. Because the first do not like the behavior of specific Caucasians but they project it on everyone. And the second ones who behave normally do not like that they are generalized and compared with cattle.

            Russian is not just not enough work they are destroying http://www.segodnia.ru/content/21697 there are many such examples, and normal people, who undoubtedly exist, can in no way influence this. No one (!) Did not slaughter the Ingush in Russia just because they were Ingush, that’s the whole difference. What respect are we talking about if the majority treat the Russian people like that, who has given so much and still gives you! Learn to respect RUSSIANs first, and then demand respect for yourself!

            PS
            Judging by your posts, you do not belong to the majority, but unfortunately it determines our relationship. You will solve these problems of the attitude of your people to mine, and then teach us. We are Russians, including myself, who know how to respect others and have proved this for a long time when they dominated other nations. Written by me abruptly, but correctly and I will not apologize.
            1. Prisoner
              Prisoner 7 December 2013 18: 54 New
              0
              Quote: Orik
              . The problem is not even individual examples, but the general degradation of the Russian people. This is the TROUBLE of my people, and my friend is in trouble. Unfortunately in recent years, we realized that we have no friends. All the distant (Bulgarians, Serbs) and neighbors betrayed us, probably it was worth it to go through to understand who is who.

              You in vain think that this is only your misfortune, the same thing is happening gradually with all the peoples of the former union, including Caucasians too. This is a generation of Pepsi who do not have what they vaccinated before. And it is from here that the second problem arises, after all, not 30-40-year-old Caucasians usually flicker on TV in all sorts of incidents.
              Quote: Orik
              Judging by your posts, you do not belong to the majority, but unfortunately it determines our relationship.

              In vain do you think that this majority somehow treats Russians badly. This is still a minority, but every year there are more and more of them, at the expense of those who are tired of proving that he is not a camel.
              1. Orik
                Orik 7 December 2013 21: 30 New
                +2
                When Russians were slaughtered from the late 80s to 1995 in Chechnya, these young boobs sucked, and the 40-year-olds were already involved in this and brought up this youth. You can have any opinion, but the exact science of mathematics in Chechnya was 25% of Russians, 2% was left, that's the whole story.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 7 December 2013 22: 16 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Orik
                  in Chechnya there were 25% of Russians, 2% was left, that’s the whole story.
                2. Prisoner
                  Prisoner 8 December 2013 00: 28 New
                  0
                  In the university where I studied more than half of the teaching was Grozny, and a significant part of the students, too. Friends of Grozny's various nationalities, among my circle of friends, and none of them have hatred for all Vainakhs or Chechens separately. Many have been at home at some kind of family celebrations, and not only. Never even in strong drinking have I heard from them or from their relatives even a tenth of the hatred for Chechens that is present here on the forum in the statements of people who for the most part saw these Chechens only on television. It turns out a paradox, people who suffer the most hate less than other ordinary people.
                  There’s one friend here on the forum who gave an example of how a Russian girl was seen off by her former classmates Chechens to and from work. So people behaved differently there, no need to hang labels on everyone.
                  PS and here is an example of the attitude of Russians to Russian Grozny. At 95 I was still in school, in the morning I went to school through a store. A Russian grandmother stood at the entrance and asked for alms, saying that she was a refugee from Chechnya. Some kind of Russian woman stopped and began to tell her, like, well, why are you back here, would be better off in Chechnya and all sorts of such nasty things. For me it was a shock at all, well, it's dumb to you to throw this coin, pass by and that's it. Why this rabbit show had to be arranged.
                  So there is enough shit everywhere, both yours and ours, but if more sensible people judge shit about entire nations, then humanity will destroy itself in an endless vendetta. You complain about the fact that Caucasians educate their youth in hatred of the Russians, but you yourself absolutely do nothing to educate your youth in respect for Caucasians. I already wrote somewhere on the forum, I was personally raised on books about pioneers of heroes (mostly Russians and Ukrainians), on books about the exploits of border guards, and so on. But something vague doubts torment me that some of the Russian fathers and mothers would buy books for their children or tell that the Chechen Nurpasha Nuradilov was mowing the Nazis with his machine gun in Volgograd, or that Ingush pilot Oskanov Sulambek became one of the first Heroes of Russia, and by the date of the achievement of his feat first in the current history. Unfortunately posthumously. And many many other Caucasians whom I did not mention, but who are worthy of worthy. So instead of just seeing a speck in our eyes, you need to be critical of yourself. Only by solving the problem of hostility on both sides can it be solved. I think so!
                  1. Orik
                    Orik 8 December 2013 12: 55 New
                    +3
                    Boris, your view is respectful, but the statistics are inexorable, I will not repeat. Why did this dislike arise? In my youth, she was not there, we did not even think about such things. It was not the Russians who first began to shout about the invaders, imperial oppression, we did not expel you from Russia, on the contrary, you are coming to us, and my fellow tribesmen are fleeing your republics. Coming to our house you behave defiantly, which is what caused the initial dissatisfaction with Caucasians. We feed you, and not you, and still many shout that we still owe you something. We don’t owe you ANYTHING, but you decide for yourself, although I don’t have any illusions.
                    Separate feats are good, I have no doubt the heroism of individual representatives, but the whole burden of the war on my shoulders was borne by the Russian people. No wonder Stalin's toast was for the GREAT RUSSIAN people. Units in which there were less than 60% of Russians were considered not combat-ready.
        3. smile
          smile 7 December 2013 17: 11 New
          +3
          Orik
          I confirm. In 95, Russian slaves were captured in Chechnya, captured as far back as 86. Both the local population and the local police considered this the norm.
  • Sewer
    Sewer 7 December 2013 11: 40 New
    -2
    Now all of Russia is paying a real tribute to the Caucasus! And you need to do something about it! Or try it out, let them live as they want, Or send troops there and declare martial law, and act accordingly, + if they want their republics to flourish , then let them themselves, build everything in themselves and sit in their villages, restore them at home! And the best thing, of course, is to poison them all!
    1. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 14: 19 New
      -1
      but THAT We ​​do not know. How much you have to pay for a black-ass bastard.
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz 7 December 2013 12: 03 New
    +5
    Political analyst Lev Krishtapovich: "There is an information and psychological war against the all-Russian civilization"

    The thought screwed into the title of this article is an element of such a war. You can’t read the text, the above calculations and tables will dissolve in the daily flow of information, and the loss of the Caucasus, the need to leave with fencing with barbed wire, embedded in the names of such opuses, are hammered into the heads of readers.
    To the authors of such statues: Drive across Russia - we are also losing it, Don’t have to go far, drive through the central regions to the northeast of Moscow, compose tables, the picture will turn out even worse. I imagine what is happening in the Far East.
    I propose to fence Moscow with a barbed wire from dying Russia. And you can do this with the song: "Dear my capital, my GOLDEN Moscow." And put stones on the porches, as expected: "you’ll go straight ...".
  • Nikolay D.
    Nikolay D. 7 December 2013 12: 17 New
    +3
    No one is going anywhere. This is all our territory, and Tatarstan, and Bashkortostan, etc. etc., conquered and founded by our grandfathers-Slavs, and if national minorities live and feel their own in these territories, it is a merit of the Russians, and not whose other. So we will not let squander territories, but if, hypothetically, suddenly some minority people decide to secede, then let them separate, only without territory and a common history, and let’s see how long they stretch out without the Russian “hand”. And then they took the fashion, we’ll separate ourselves, Russian “pigs” and enslavers, “we are the progenitors of all civilizations”, etc. and none of them recalls that as a nation they still exist not in spite of, but because Russian civilization protects them. There will be no Russians, there will be no national minorities physically.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 7 December 2013 12: 23 New
    +3
    The Russians will return to the Caucasus after cleansing the Caucasus of gangster ethnic groups. - in the open field. Tu and a dozen "Indians" in the reservation for Blesir.
  • Troy
    Troy 7 December 2013 12: 28 New
    +6
    Everything is very simple, power and personally Putin, cowardly and worthless little people. Courage is enough only for theft, and problems on the Roman principle of "And after us at least a flood." Until a true patriot a la Lukashenko comes to power, nothing will change in our country. Our authorities will come up with the Olympics, the World Cup in football and other ways of theft, and before the Russians they have no time.
  • kaktus
    kaktus 7 December 2013 12: 32 New
    0
    "Why are we losing the North Caucasus" and who should think about this for up to 20 years? angry
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 December 2013 13: 27 New
    +5
    Here are the words of the head of Ingushetia, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, said in 2010: “There was no effect. The effect was only that partly someone made money on it. Mostly officials. Even now I’m looking for it, I can’t find anyone returning under this program, I give an order to the head of the administration: find at least one family with whom I could talk, who would return under this program. Now it’s impossible to find such a family, you will not find it. ”
    I myself am an Ingush; I have been living in the Stavropol Territory since I was 9 years old. A couple of years after graduation, I wanted to get a job in Ingushetia. My uncle took me for an interview, I thought that if he personally asks for it then, by virtue of his authority, the honored trainer of the USSR will be taken. They listened to me, praised me, like we needed such smart and competent people, and after a few days I found out that they had taken someone else. Then someone already told me that I was naive and this place cost a lot of money there. Based on this bitter experience, I perfectly understand why Russian families do not return there. And what will they do there, if many Ingush cannot get a job? Although this program attracted the Russian-speaking population and promised to immediately provide housing and provide jobs, I am sure that officials would ruin their exorbitant exorbitant rates and this is a good start. Personally, I would not have gone to the place of the Russians either, I don’t know where, I don’t know what to do.
    Regarding polygamy, there is a double-edged sword. In our country, however, probably, as elsewhere, the overwhelming percentage of girls is much more than guys. And since they marry mostly only for their own, this gives rise to a huge number of old maids who dream of creating a family and are already happy to marry both the second and third. The second reason is when the first wife cannot have children. In another society, the husband might have divorced and married a new one, but they take a second wife from us. Naturally, a man should be able to provide both women, equally and not someone better but someone worse. But with all this, of all my close and distant relatives, and there are a lot of them, I know only one such polygamist. So in the article the author is clearly exaggerating.
    1. alone
      alone 7 December 2013 13: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: Prisoner
      I myself am an Ingush; I have been living in the Stavropol Territory since I was 9 years old. A couple of years after graduation, I wanted to get a job in Ingushetia. My uncle took me for an interview, I thought that if he personally asks for it then, by virtue of his authority, the honored trainer of the USSR will be taken. They listened to me, praised me, like we needed such smart and competent people, and after a few days I found out that they had taken someone else.


      I don’t have to bother my uncle. We would take a case with money and give you work.
      Alas. They even take bribes to work. Money is above all.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 7 December 2013 13: 55 New
        +1
        Yes, I didn’t bother, he insisted, he wanted to participate in the employment of his own nephew, so to speak. There is no case and there wasn’t, and even if it weren’t, I wouldn’t do this purely on principle. There is still self-esteem. And the fact that they take bribes for work is yes ... I don’t know if it’s a mass practice or not, but in my particular case I was later told that this place cost 30k greenery. It is not surprising that since such bribes give what would be arranged for the civil service, corruption flourishes, because it is necessary to somehow compensate for investments. And to do this quickly, until they have reduced it.
        1. alone
          alone 7 December 2013 16: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Prisoner
          It is not surprising that since such bribes give what would be arranged for the civil service, corruption flourishes, because it is necessary to somehow compensate for investments. And to do this quickly, until they have reduced it.


          it’s the most profitable business. You don’t need to build and create anything. I raised money, gave a bribe, took a chair, start taking a bribe at a fast pace. After 2-3 months, the amount you paid out is already in your pocket + you continue to row like a boatman for yourself. and then everything is simple people like you, I and others sit and think why corruption cannot be overcome. It is impossible to defeat it while everyone else is anointed with the same friend. All officials from bottom to top feed from one boiler. Who are they going to fight with themselves ?
          1. Prisoner
            Prisoner 7 December 2013 18: 58 New
            0
            I agree completely and completely, this is some kind of vicious circle.
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 7 December 2013 13: 31 New
    +1
    Conditions for the return of Russians to the Caucasus. 1. National, patriotic leadership of the country. President, Prime Minister, Ministers /, Deputies. (Now this is obviously not the case) 2. Real rehabilitation and assistance to the Cossacks. And not profanity and money laundering, as it is now. 3. Strengthening the Spirit of the Russian people. The process is not fast, but necessary. Today's manifestations of the Spirit are more likely an exception to the rule. There cannot be a powerful, massive Spirit in a spiritless country. (Mass debilitation, alcohol, drugs, norm, "education", yes, any field of activity and state-owned organization)
    Most likely there will come a "point of no return" in relations with the Caucasus and the Russian people will return there in tanks. The likelihood of a third Russian-Chechen (or maybe Russian-Caucasian) war is growing every day. And the success of this war, and most importantly, the long-term result will be determined by Russia's tactics and strategy. Ermolov at one time used many successful actions and gained invaluable experience that must be used.
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 7 December 2013 15: 04 New
      0
      If there is such a war it is necessary so that it didn’t have 4 such !!! Otherwise, everything is empty .... But I think there is only one way to win .... Stalin showed how!
    2. alone
      alone 7 December 2013 16: 13 New
      -1
      damn it again Ermolov! and what he did so wonderful, for the shot he destroyed the old and the small in the whole aul. well, if it honors you, go and kill .. Just one question
      Gladiator, will you start killing children and women yourself, or will others do it for you? negative
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 7 December 2013 18: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        damn again Ermolov! and what he did so wonderful

        And why...
      2. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 8 December 2013 00: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        Gladiator, will you start killing children and women yourself, or will others do it for you?

        Lonely, it's all about an adequate answer. After all, you know that hundreds of thousands of Russians were slaughtered in Chechnya? Enslaved, raped, banished? After all, no one answered adequately for this? What did this lead to? Mayhem is born out of impunity! Traitors to the Russian people, by the way, also did not answer. And they and their followers, through their actions and inaction, are again pushing the peoples into the pit of war.
        As for the murder of women and children, you distort. If they have weapons in their hands, then these are not children and not women. One of my co-worker, in the Balkans, was shot by a sniper. I was not there at that moment, but there were my guys. Which solved the issue.
        Repression was definitely to follow to seize the hospital, then schools and Nord-Ost. Against traitors too.
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 7 December 2013 13: 38 New
    0
    Of the variety of subsidized regions, the North Caucasian are always distinguished. Not fair. I live in central Russia and I don’t know something from more than one representative of the North Caucasian republic in my and neighboring regions who would be mayors or heads of villages and districts. However, no one is discussing this.
    1. Orik
      Orik 7 December 2013 23: 16 New
      +1
      Do not understand why? It’s all just that we civilized you, and not you. They set up their own people and roll into the Stone Age, so you and we should have Russians, not by name, but by essence.
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  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 December 2013 13: 44 New
    -2
    Mikhail Weller, as always, said very accurately:



    1. smile
      smile 7 December 2013 17: 16 New
      0
      Warrawar
      That. that Moscow’s ear looms in the video - it’s not without reason that it’s marshy and is one of the factors that is fueling ethnic hatred .... The value of Weller’s moaning is slipping below the zero mark ... you’ve also chosen a sorcerer here as an authority .... or an article in Felkisher Beobachter .... :)))
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 7 December 2013 20: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: smile
        Warrawar
        That. that Moscow’s ear looms in the video - it’s not without reason that it’s marshy and is one of the factors that is fueling ethnic hatred .... The value of Weller’s moaning is slipping below the zero mark ... you’ve also chosen a sorcerer here as an authority .... or an article in Felkisher Beobachter .... :)))

        Weller tells the truth as it is. I understand that this is not very pleasant to listen to ... but the bitter truth is better than a sweet lie.
        And the Caucasians themselves are inciting ethnic hatred by their insane behavior, which can be observed from daily news reports. Only one slave system in Dagestan. what is it worth (several thousand citizens of the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Belarus, and a number of other states are in slavery).
        So, of course, everything can be poured into Ekho Moskvy and Bolotnaya, but looking at what the Caucasians are doing in their Caucasus (and now all over Russia), willy-nilly ask the question "Why should I live in one a state with these creatures? "
        By the way, one more thing - the Caucasus is no longer Russia, if anyone has not yet understood. Nominally, of course, the Caucasus is part of the Russian Federation, but in fact this is no longer the case.
        So Weller is 100% right, and most importantly, he clearly formed that we will be united with the Caucasus
        - A huge cash flow, from Russia to the Caucasus, in the form of tribute (subsidies)
        - A huge stream of crime and lawlessness from the Caucasus to Russia
        1. smile
          smile 7 December 2013 22: 17 New
          +1
          Warrawar
          I’m not going to deny the contribution of Caucasians in inciting ethnic hatred - in the end, in the nineties it was them who were set on fire the first, and the radical barranes from their side painstakingly run into being smeared like a boot on a parquet .... just it was about who kindles on our part. And with ours, it’s exactly the marshy ones - the hodgepodge of fascists, liberals, pederasts and simply unreasonable people who are carefully cultivated by the same forces that the orange revolutions around the world are creating.
          And to comment on your statement that it is necessary to cut off part of the Russian territory from Russia ... I do not even want to comment ... I recommend it. if the finger becomes inflamed, chop it off to hell, and why does it hurt. and why treat him? Hand - down hand. shameful diseases can also be treated by beating a sick organ ... in the end, you will remain an absolutely healthy organism ... only without limbs ... and if separatism is ignited in Siberia? Ass cut?
          By the way, Weller’s brechology is terribly fond of the marsh and our creative tiligence ... congratulations ...
          To be honest, I don’t even want to comment on this guy. He himself proved with his dissidentism what he is. If you are his supporter, look at the Ear of Moscow, Rain, read the Newspaper and listen to the opinion of McFaul. I'm sorry.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 8 December 2013 05: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: smile
            And to comment on your statement that it is necessary to cut off part of the Russian territory from Russia ... I do not even want to comment ... I recommend it. if the finger becomes inflamed, chop it off to hell, and why does it hurt. and why treat him?

            It depends on what disease the finger is affected and what treatments are available. If the finger is struck by gangrene, and from improvised means there is only green, then amputation will be the only way to save the hand (and life). Otherwise, the gangrene will spread, and then the blood will be infected and death will occur.
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 8 December 2013 00: 33 New
        0
        Hi Volodya! Absolutely for sure !!! This ... bring as authority ???
  • serge
    serge 7 December 2013 13: 53 New
    +4
    What to do with the Caucasus?

    - Immediately stop subsidizing the Caucasus at the expense of the Russian regions.
    - Recreate Cossack troops in the Caucasus, allowing the carrying of weapons.
    - To recreate Cossack troops in the Stavropol Territory and the Kuban, to give them the right to permit or not to allow the residence of Caucasians in their regions.
    - Russians living in the Caucasus and working in the public sector - free housing and double wages
    - Leadership of the Caucasian regions - to Russian governors-general
    - To pay compensation to Russians who suffered from the genocide in Chechnya in the 90s. Not at the expense of the budget, but at the expense of specific Chechen teips, whose representatives carried out genocide. They have money. And this is Russian money.
    - Introduce the collective responsibility of the Caucasian clans for violation of the law by their representatives.
    - Return the death penalty to the Criminal Code. Introduce the death penalty for conversion to slavery. Those in the Caucasus who have discovered slaves - shooting on the spot.
    - Enter a residence permit for Caucasians in Russian regions.
    - Introduce criminal liability for more than two violations of the rules of registration.
    - Prohibit ethnic diasporas within Russia, criminalize violation of the ban

    Just to get it all done, first you need to put things in order in the Russian regions and introduce nationally proportional representation in the executive, legislative and judicial structures, as well as in the media. Since the current Jewish-liberal government will not do this.
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    3. Ihrek
      Ihrek 7 December 2013 14: 14 New
      -6
      Sorry, but you have the logic of a person who is not very healthy mentally.
    4. Orik
      Orik 7 December 2013 14: 34 New
      +5
      It is necessary to restore the RUSSIAN power and the Russian people !!! And everything else will follow ...
    5. Bagatur
      Bagatur 7 December 2013 15: 09 New
      +1
      Yeah ... what about the bribe? Doesn’t their brother eat the way to wean officials ... We also have such problems ... selling everywhere!
      1. smile
        smile 7 December 2013 17: 18 New
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        Bagatur
        That's right, there are corrupt ones everywhere - and our corruption is no different from the European one, but only ours pour slop on themselves, rasusolivaya that we are the most corrupt.
      2. Orik
        Orik 7 December 2013 21: 42 New
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        Quote: bagatura
        Yeah ... what about the bribe? Doesn’t their brother eat the way to wean officials ... We also have such problems ... selling everywhere!

        Bribes and rampant corruption affecting government decisions are two big differences. They will always take it, but it should be localized when a bribe is an exception, not a rule. When the places of civil servants are sold, this is a disaster.
        The fight against bribes begins with the acquisition by the society and first of all of its elite of NOT MATERIAL SENSE, a reduction of the stratification coefficient to a maximum of 6, so that everyone can buy an apartment to live worthily on their salary or income, at the same time the introduction of a repressive system with the complete confiscation of property from all members families, including parents, so that corrupt land burns underfoot, passes the corrupt official to save the state, and much more. Nothing is impossible, corruption as a system is victorious, only desire is needed. This was proved by Lee Kuan Yew, who put an end to corruption in Singapore: “Fighting corruption is simple. It is necessary that there is a person upstairs who is not afraid to plant his friends and relatives”
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 7 December 2013 22: 21 New
          +1
          This was proved by Lee Kuan Yew, who put an end to corruption in Singapore: “Fighting corruption is simple. It is necessary that there is a person upstairs who is not afraid to plant his friends and relatives”

          Ready to refuse life for 10 years, only seeing in prison such as Serdyukov and his Bulgarian counterparts !!!
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 7 December 2013 22: 26 New
            +1
            The difference is that we have a communal-tribal system, from the part, of course, it is convenient, but ........
  • Boris63
    Boris63 7 December 2013 14: 14 New
    +5
    Why do Russians flee from the Caucasus? I don’t know how in other republics of the UK, but a Chechen woman (we rent her an apartment) told me that in Chechnya land ownership, a house cannot be owned by an indigenous person. This is in addition to other obstacles.
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 7 December 2013 14: 17 New
      +2
      But competent authorities should deal with this, if this is true of course. For the laws of Russia are the same for all, regardless of the region.
  • standby
    standby 7 December 2013 14: 23 New
    +4
    IMHO: In the Caucasus, respect is respected. Once his conquest was made possible through iron will and a firm hand. Now it will not be so, times are not the same. Russia is a great country now and if we respect ourselves, crush thieves, develop science, culture, technology, social sphere, respect laws, establish ourselves in international relations, they will reach us as a center of power, and be proud of belonging to a great community called the Russian people! That would be so ...
    1. Orik
      Orik 7 December 2013 14: 49 New
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      Quote: Standby
      IMHO: In the Caucasus, respect is respected. Once his conquest was made possible through iron will and a firm hand. Now it will not be so, times are not the same. Russia is a great country now and if we respect ourselves, crush thieves, develop science, culture, technology, social sphere, respect laws, establish ourselves in international relations, they will reach us as a center of power, and be proud of belonging to a great community called the Russian people! That would be so ...

      For this, the Russian people should become, as it were, and not by the name RUSSIAN.

      “But the all-good providence will not leave Russia in this sad and disastrous state. It rightly punishes and leads to rebirth. The fate of God's righteous is being accomplished over Russia. Troubles and adversities forge her. It is not in vain that he who rules over all nations skillfully, aptly puts on His anvil the subjects of His strong hammer. Be strong, Russia! But repent, pray, cry with bitter tears in front of your heavenly Father, whom you have immensely angered! .. The Russian people and other tribes inhabiting Russia are deeply corrupted, the crucible of temptations and calamities is necessary for all and the Lord, who does not want to die, burns everyone in this crucible. But do not be afraid, and do not be afraid, brethren, let the seditious Satanists console themselves for a moment with their infernal successes: they will not be judged by God from them and death will never sleep (2 Peter 2.3). The right hand of the Lord will find all who hate us and avenge us righteously. Therefore, we will not betray despondency, seeing everything that is happening in the world ... ”

      “I foresee the restoration of a powerful Russia, even stronger and more powerful. On the bones of the martyrs, as on a strong foundation, a new Russia will be erected - according to the old model; strong in her faith in Christ God and the Holy Trinity! And it will be according to the covenant of the Holy Prince Vladimir - as a single Church! Russian people ceased to understand what Russia is: it is the foot of the Throne of the Lord! The Russian person must understand this and thank God for being Russian".
      Holy righteous father John of Kronstadt
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 7 December 2013 14: 29 New
    +3
    No Russian will go alone and take his family to the republic, where bandits rule, where there is an undeclared war gangs with government officials, moderate Islamic clergy, against all those associated with Russia. Only when the wave of violence is neutralized, then the Russians will return (far from all) to the republics of the Caucasus of Russia.
  • sasska
    sasska 7 December 2013 15: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Deniska999
    In my opinion, it is necessary that the Caucasian republics be governed not by local, but by Russian military governors.


    and where to get the new general Ermolov?
    Establishing order in the region demanded, as Yermolov wrote, “the tears of our inhabitants on the Line (Caucasian fortified line: fortresses, Cossack villages. - Ed.), Where a rare family did not bypass murder or ruin from predation ... Indulgence in the eyes of Asians is a sign weaknesses, and right from humanity I am strictly inexorable. One execution will save hundreds of Russians from death and thousands of Muslims from treason. ” By order of Yermolov ordered "those who were caught robbery to hang on the crime scene", and the inhabitants of those villages where the robbers used to hide, declare that "the homes of accomplices will be destroyed to the ground."
    http://www.aif.ru/society/history/39364
    1. serge
      serge 7 December 2013 20: 23 New
      +4
      Ermolovy there. There is no Russian Tsar (President, Secretary General).
      1. Bagatur
        Bagatur 7 December 2013 21: 32 New
        +1
        In Bulgaria, we have such words, every time, our own people ... be calm, Russia will give birth to them!
  • homosum20
    homosum20 7 December 2013 15: 25 New
    +1
    These republics must be financed in accordance with the number and representation of Russians. There are no Russians in Chechnya - and no need. And finance accordingly.
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 7 December 2013 16: 02 New
    +2
    Why are we losing?
    Because we are different.
    In religion, in traditions, in the understanding of laws, in education and much more.
    What united us? Strength and sponsorship (free money)
    As soon as two points, the first out of competition, weakened, relations began to collapse.
    It's my personal opinion.
  • Christian
    Christian 7 December 2013 16: 19 New
    +2
    Absolutely correct statement of the question! As long as there are no Russians in the North Caucasus republics of Russia, there will be no progress in improving interethnic tension! But who will go there if the authorities in the center of the Russian Federation cannot (do not want) ensure the safety of a Russian person !? It creates the impression that the Kremlin is pursuing such a national policy.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 7 December 2013 16: 59 New
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    Well, in principle, a normal trend. The economic situation is not so hot, Chezh does not cause anger that other Russian regions are emptying ??? All are drawn to Moscow and St. Petersburg.
    We still do not forget the Caucasus, this is the original homeland of the Caucasians, and the Russians who resettled them there, because given that the economy is bad and everyone leaves, but the Caucasians will always have a connection with their historical homeland, and even leaving, they will be part of it, unlike the Russians. Plus, there are clan ties, which the Russians don’t have, to break through somewhere is not enough just to be a Chechen or Ingush or Dagestan, you have to be a representative of a certain teip, and a certain nation in Dagestan. It’s just because of their cohesion and being in their homeland and the Russians have no such thing, so they leave with their roots.
    Polygamy is needed after a bloody war and this is a fact. And in Chechnya it is in demand.
    But Ossetia really surprised. And given that in Ossetia the same trends are not in Islam, but in the reasons that I cited above.
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 7 December 2013 18: 23 New
    0
    "Russian generals to lead the North Caucasus", "Where to find another such Yermolov!" Brave go for it! Strength is equal to counteraction! A good idea for the development of underground gangs. Whence such odious and frantic advice, war in the Caucasus is needed ahead, only none of the most respected members of the forum will send their sons there! And no one asked how they live in the North. Kaze if around an unemployed person it is possible to find work only in state. structures. In Kazakhstan, there are a lot of Chechens and Ingush from the Stalinist repressions, mainly engaged in technology, agriculture, etc. I’m asking, “Why don’t you leave Zanbek, because your life is getting better?” "What is it, you can live if you are from the same teip as the district head, etc." The same clannishness, small town to break through somewhere is unrealistic, unemployed. It’s only Grozny as in the picture, but in the villages it’s the same. SO WHAT DO THERE TO DO IN RUSSIAN THAT TO CATCH IF THERE THEY WILL BREAK FROM HERE. They have roots there if in Russia the Chechen doesn’t work out there, he will always return home. Where Russian! The Caucasus respects power. there are Kadyrov, etc. Let yourself boil, you need only tight control. But TO KNOW AND ENSURE HATE AND THIRD TO SPROLL EASY, AND IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO EXTINGUISH IT WITH YOUR NOT SONS! Correct if I'm wrong!
    1. mark7
      mark7 7 December 2013 21: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Former Mariman
      Correct if I'm wrong!

      that’s exactly, as soon as this control starts, you’ll have to send sons there, but for now the whole song of the cat leopold from the authorities
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 8 December 2013 08: 32 New
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    during the years of Russian occupation, as a result of a qualitative improvement in life, there was a population explosion. there was a banal lack of land for the indigenous population. where does it need to expand? capture living space. in the Caucasus and before, the mountain fought against the mountain. There were Cossacks — they rebuffed. Now the borders are open. There is no resistance — fruit and settle. mixing cultures cannot be in principle. they don’t eat pork. we don’t wash my ass with my left hand. the same Chechen woman who married a Russian outcast without the opportunity to return to her family.
  • kind
    kind 8 December 2013 18: 58 New
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    It is time to isolate the Caucasus, not to spare resources and create a powerful border around and a special zone with regulated traffic leaving it. It’s time to put the Caucasus back in place, enough to feed the killers of the Russian people. Jackals do not remember good.