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Without a fighter of a new generation, the role of Europe will decrease - French Aerospace Academy

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Without a fighter of a new generation, the role of Europe will decrease - French Aerospace Academy

In the absence of a program to develop a new generation of combat aircraft, Europe faces the risk of a "strategic decline" in its role in the world, the French Aerospace Academy warned, aviationweek.com reports December 2. In the past few weeks, a research team from former senior military officials and retired executives aviation industry in 28 European countries called for supporting “key operational capabilities” to maintain sovereignty in this area.


But, as representatives of the academy say, no real action has been observed so far. The efforts of Europe are scattered, the industry does not have a unified position, as happened in 1985 year, when it was not possible to reach an agreement on the development of a single European fighter (France and Great Britain chose the creation of fighters, respectively, Rafale and Typhoon - note "VP" Despite continuing reductions in military spending, three competing types of combat aircraft are being manufactured in Europe - the Eurofighter Typhoon (pictured), the Rafale and the Gripen.

Unlike the controversial requirements for the new fighter, which were in 1980's, today the military departments and industry top managers note that none of the existing aircraft manufacturing companies can claim to be the general contractor for the entire European aviation industry. Even fiercely defending their independence, the French company Dassault Aviation, which relies heavily on “economic patriotism”, no longer relies on state support for the development of the successor to the Rafale fighter plane, which is scheduled to be adopted after 2040. “If we do nothing, the European military industry will be dead in 20 years,” says retired general Jean-Georges Brevot, a member of the Academy's working group. European countries, pursuing "technological autonomy", reinforce this risk, while Russia (T-50) and China (J-20 and J-31) will begin exporting new-generation fighter aircraft over the next 10-15 years.

European countries participate in the production program of the American fighter F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, thereby dispersing their resources and design capabilities. Their contribution to the development of F-35 is 8 billion euros (10,8 billion dollars).

"We are at a crossroads, the situation is alarming, we must pursue a more stringent policy," calls Brevo. The European defense industry is rapidly approaching the point of no return. European countries should develop a common vision of the requirements for a fighter of a new generation, as was the case with the A400M military transport aircraft. The Academy recommends starting the development of technology demonstrators, responding to the long-standing request of manufacturers who are eager to get their design bureaus to work.

The case for political leaders in Europe. In 1985, the reluctance to compromise buried the idea of ​​creating a single European fighter, the governments of leading European countries continue to pay a high price for their inability to combine their efforts. There are few export contracts for European fighters, the French Rafale still has none, while the countries of the world are actively buying American combat aircraft. The Academy does not want this история repeated
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  1. stalker
    stalker 5 December 2013 09: 46
    +4
    And what did they want the Europeans in NATO, but the Yankees rule everything there and they do not need strong allies in the bloc, so they will buy Amer’s equipment by investing loot in its development.
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 5 December 2013 09: 50
      +7
      Wow, they thought about independence ... it's too late to drink Borjomi, will you buy F-35 from the USA, whether you want it or not ...
      1. AVV
        AVV 5 December 2013 14: 35
        0
        With a greater variety of equipment, Europe now has no other choice !!! Even Korea, Australia and Japan will take the F-35, and what else Europe needs to do, they have long been dependent on the States !!!
        1. avg
          avg 5 December 2013 14: 59
          0
          I do not like jankers in any form. But, as they breed Geyropeytsy, here you can only learn.
  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz 5 December 2013 10: 00
    +2
    Campaign Europe began to understand that their future F-35 is not worth a damn.
  3. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 10: 01
    +2
    The unfortunate Rafal was worn for all tenders, no one wants to buy it ... For fifth-generation fighters, the USA, China and Russia have heavy technological and financial labor ... But do these countries even sell airplanes ... And Europe? Who agrees to invest so much money in a project whose value is equal to the prosperity of Greece or Ukraine?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 December 2013 11: 14
      +3
      According to ARMS-TASS, an agreement between India and France on the supply of 126 Rafal multipurpose fighters manufactured by the French company Dassault will be signed before the end of the current fiscal year ending in March 2014.
      This was stated by Deputy Commander of the Air Force of India, Air Marshal S. Sukumar. winked so that you are wrong Stirlitz ... hi
      1. Altona
        Altona 5 December 2013 12: 09
        +1
        Well, then it WILL BE ANOTHER ... Will it be or will not be ... Even if it does, then at what price is it for sale? Rafal is generally in negative profitability and you need to at least start selling something, at least for something, to recapture part of the costs ...
      2. bif
        bif 7 December 2013 04: 57
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        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        so you Stirlitz are wrong

        This tender lasts like "Santa Barbara" and has no end.
        "The tender was announced in 2007, and initially six manufacturers took part in it: the Russian concern MiG with MiG-35 fighters, the American Boeing (F / A-18 Super Hornet) and Lockheed Martin (F-16IN Super Viper), the Swedish Saab (JAS 39 Gripen IN) and the European manufacturers mentioned above. At 2011 d. American, Russian and Swedish manufacturers were excluded from the tender. The Indian Ministry of Defense intended to announce the winner in September 2011, then the deadlines were postponed to the end of the year, and again the decision was postponed.
        31 January Indian Defense Minister A.K. Anthony told Reuters that no fighter supply contracts would be signed this fiscal year (ending in March). Moreover, he said that the documents “had not yet arrived at his desk”.
        According to the terms of the tender, the first 18 fighters will be produced at the plants of the supplier company, the rest 108 - in India, at the plants of the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL). The first fighters should go into service with the Indian Air Force in the middle of 2015, in the future it is planned to deliver from 64 to 80 fighters. In addition, according to the Indian law on military supplies from 2006, a foreign company, the winner of the tender, must invest 50% of contract amounts to the Indian defense industry.
        In the story with the tender, many questions remain. According to the statement of the Indian Minister of Defense Anthony, his department was not guided by any "external or geopolitical considerations" when making the decision. However, a number of factors indicate that the tender was politicized from the very beginning. http://www.riss.ru/index.php/analitika/1092-chto-stoit-za-vyborom-indiey-francuz
        skih-istrebiteley # .UqJwGPQW3uQ
  4. Alez
    Alez 5 December 2013 10: 04
    +2
    From scratch to create the fifth generation? When they have the fifth generation, we will have the sixth. As they were in railway station, they will remain there, this is their favorite thing.
  5. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 5 December 2013 10: 14
    +3
    Something reminds me of Karabas-Barabas and its theater.
  6. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 5 December 2013 11: 19
    +4
    It's funny that albeit with difficulties, but Europe has mastered the development and refinement of the civil A-380. And in this area, it’s completely not in flight. And in the military sector
  7. USNik
    USNik 5 December 2013 11: 22
    +2
    “If we do nothing, in 20 years the European military aircraft industry will be dead,” says retired general, member of the academy’s working group, Jean-Georges Brevot.
    Oooh, the Europeans have finally seen their sight. The collapse of the aviation industry in Europe was long and persistently sought by their "best friends", and they did. France and Germany will soon fly the F-35, if they themselves cannot, then they will have to buy from Uncle Sam.
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 5 December 2013 11: 25
    +2
    The French are now your strength in LGBT, so snore from the owners and don’t get smart, or immediately put things in order in domestic and foreign policy, I almost forgot the oland cattle as well.
  9. Vadim12
    Vadim12 5 December 2013 11: 32
    +2
    Why should the Amer’s, it’s better to buy T-50, it will be slightly cut in the export ..))
  10. iwind
    iwind 5 December 2013 11: 36
    +3
    As I recall, Europe initially abandoned the development of the 5th generation, since the advantage over 4 ++ is not critical, but the price ....
    They were going to go straight to 5 ++ or 6, at least such were a statement lit 10-15 ago.
  11. mountain
    mountain 5 December 2013 11: 38
    +3
    Hurry up Mistral for repair, planes for scrap, make cologne you didn’t work badly.
  12. Basileus
    Basileus 5 December 2013 11: 45
    +2
    NATO has never been able to agree on uniform models of technology. So it was with the project from which the Leopard-1 and AMX-30 grew, so it was with the MVT-70, and with several attempts to develop a single fighter. The Europeans, no matter how you try to fuse them into something homogeneous, have so far been able to introduce only a single NATO standard for calibers, but they are far from uniform models of equipment.

    In this regard, the fate of the F-35 is interesting. Maybe he will suffer the same fate - at least in Europe)
  13. Migari
    Migari 5 December 2013 11: 51
    +1
    The countries of Europe, pursuing "technological autonomy", perpetuate such a risk, while Russia (T-50) and China (J-20 and J-31) will begin exporting new generation fighters over the next 10-15 years. [/ Quote ] "European Union", walking in the forway of the United States, began to lag a little behind in military development.
  14. complete zero
    complete zero 5 December 2013 11: 53
    +2
    I'm definitely not going to be clever, the topic of aviation is wildly interesting (but I am "complete zero" in it, although I am well-read and I understand the difference between "thrust-to-weight ratio" and "specific wing load") - and yet on the hell ... but it's 5 generation - if it is still "seen"? found in it only one serious plus-over-sound in non-afterburner mode ...
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 5 December 2013 12: 41
      +3
      They see stationary radars, and in the battle a fighter against a fighter, whoever first sees it will win.
    2. avg
      avg 5 December 2013 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: full zero
      ... this is the 5th generation, if it is still "seen"?

      The whole question is at what range I saw. And then mom will not have time to say. belay
  15. mvg
    mvg 5 December 2013 12: 10
    +3
    somehow they forgot that "Rafal" won the tender both from the Americans and from the MIG-35, despite the fact that the service base is ready for a moment, and the Araps are happy to buy the "typhoon", although the price of cars is 120 and 124 million, as I would say, "overcritical. The British believe that the" typhoon "will win 70% of fights with the su-30, which is 4 ++. Many elements of the 5th generation are already in the" rafal ", and in the typhoon, they want to do it quickly, they have VERY great opportunities for aircraft construction.If Korea, Japan, Indonesia, Turkey and China got involved in this race, then the developed "dasso" or "bai systems", if desired, will be able to catch up and overtake .. only with whom to fight then?
    1. typhoon7
      typhoon7 5 December 2013 19: 51
      +2
      I assure you, if the GDP would indicate with your finger, or say that we are putting into service and would praise the Mig-35, then the Hindus would fly on it for a long time. Crackers are lobbying from the leadership of the state corporation to the leadership of the country, and MiGarik has not even been released to France. By the way, the MiG-35 is our only fighter of light or middle class generation 4 ++ capable of withstanding these Rafals, Eurofighters. If we remain the main fighters of heavy and super heavy class, then this is a very big mistake, for all their advantages.
  16. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 12: 30
    0
    Quote: mvg
    the British reckon that the typhoon will win 70% of the bouts with the su-30, which is 4 ++. many elements of the 5th generation are already embedded in the "rafal"

    --------------------------
    British scientists think a lot of things ... Is that how it is? Eurofighter still doesn’t even have a locator with AFAR, and along the way there is much more that we have done or are doing with the Americans long ago ... But let the Arabs want to buy, maybe they are just diversifying their arms market so that they do not depend on the Americans?
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 December 2013 15: 03
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Eurofighter still doesn’t even have a locator with AFAR, and there’s a lot more,


      belay

      According to a November 4 Eurofighter consortium statement, after testing the Eurojet E200 powerplant, the first Typhoon fighter of the 3rd tranche was completed.

      Aircraft of this series will have enhanced combat capabilities due to the installation of an onboard radar with an active phased array, conformal fuel tanks and a high-speed data line.

      The Captor E radar is created jointly by a group of Cassidian, Selex ES and Indra, representing four countries - the UK, Italy, Spain and Germany. It is reported that the radar is equipped with "several thousand transmit-receive modules", its subsystems are tested at the Selex company in Scotland (UK).

      Serial production of the stations should begin in the first quarter of 2014.

    2. VAF
      VAF 5 December 2013 15: 12
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      it doesn’t, and along the way there is much more that we have done or are doing with the Americans long ago ..


      Eco as you. Dear ... "dragged" lol "Tie" at night to read "doneunas" ... it will definitely be healthier for your health. and it's the same for the psyche drinks







      And so on and so forth. hi
    3. patsantre
      patsantre 5 December 2013 20: 54
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      Eurofighter still does not even have a radar with AFAR, and along the way there are a lot of other things that the Americans and I have long done or are doing

      And which of our combatant fighters has radar with AFAR?
  17. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 5 December 2013 12: 38
    +1
    While they will figure out who will be the general contractor, they will lose time. And without creating new cars, they will lose markets and stop their aircraft factories. Not creating and not transferring new technologies to a citizen will weaken the competitiveness of civil aviation. All together one of the options for sunset in Europe.
  18. iwind
    iwind 5 December 2013 13: 16
    +2
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: mvg
    the British reckon that the typhoon will win 70% of the bouts with the su-30, which is 4 ++. many elements of the 5th generation are already embedded in the "rafal"

    --------------------------
    British scientists think a lot of things ... Is that how it is? Eurofighter still doesn’t even have a locator with AFAR, and along the way there is much more that we have done or are doing with the Americans long ago ... But let the Arabs want to buy, maybe they are just diversifying their arms market so that they do not depend on the Americans?

    Hmm.
    And on what serial aircraft do we put AFAR?
    1. Altona
      Altona 5 December 2013 15: 29
      0
      We don't put on serial ones, there is PFAR "Irbis" for now ... But they seem to be threatening to put on PAK FA ...
  19. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 15: 32
    0
    Quote: vaf
    Aircraft of this series will have enhanced combat capabilities due to the installation of an onboard radar with an active phased array, conformal fuel tanks and a high-speed data line.

    -----------------------
    And what about the 5th generation? Someone later being modernized, someone earlier, what's the difference?
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 December 2013 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      And what about the 5th generation?


      5th, of course, nothing to do with, we just touched on the topic of active Headlights on a TYPHOON.

      Quote: Altona
      Someone later being modernized, someone earlier, what's the difference?


      The difference is enormous. and if you know what they mean by the term "modernization", and what we ... better not about the sad crying
  20. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 15: 36
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    "Tie" at night to read "doneunas" ... it will definitely be healthier for your health. and it's the same for the psyche

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    And where does my psyche? My psyche absolutely does not care who has one more or less "piece of iron" ... The outcome of the battle does not depend on the combination of characteristics of the type of weapon, but on the ability to control it perfectly and use the correct tactics ...
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 December 2013 15: 56
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      And where does my psyche?


      Exclusively in terms of sound and healthy sleep and less listening. " fellow -we are again ahead of the rest of the planet and now we will tear everyone apart "
      Do you remember the beginning of 41? I mean “bravura marches and speeches.” (Quotes do not need to be cited .. I hope wink ).

      Quote: Altona
      The outcome of the battle does not depend on the totality of the characteristics of the type of weapon,


      In principle, I agree, but in practice this is a pure theory. It has nothing to do with it. If you do not have at least some advantage (in quality or quantity).
      And if by the term "weapon" you mean the WHOLE Aviation Complex (aircraft) and not just what it hangs on the pylons or in the "belly".

      Quote: Altona
      and from the ability to manage it perfectly and use the right tactics ...


      The same is pure theory laughing I have a TT, and against me is a karate-kunfist-akidist-dudoist, etc. with 10 black belts.
      Guess from 1 time in whose favor the score will be and how long the fight will last after the command .. "hajime" wassat
  21. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 15: 51
    +2
    Quote: vaf
    The difference is enormous. and if you know what they mean by the term "modernization", and what we ... better not about the sad

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    More or less, the parity of characteristics still needs to be ensured ... Although judging by the modernization of the T-72s of the Russian army, they are putting in the most flawed version ...
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 December 2013 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      .Although judging by the modernization of the T-72 of the Russian army, they are drawing in the most flawed version ...


      I read a lot on this topic, all sorts of thoughts "go", but .. with this question it is better or to Kars'u or Aleks TB.... for tankers it is, as they say, "VISIBLE" +! drinks
    2. Armata
      Armata 5 December 2013 19: 58
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      T-72 of the Russian army are drawing in the most flawed version ...
      Well, you are right here. Having "Tagilets" patch 72 to B3. The Indians do not spare money to buy the latest upgrades, but we all revel in the dream of "Armata" (by the way, with a sin in half, they made 5 cars and then without a combat module). I don’t think there’s anything better in aviation.
  22. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 16: 12
    0
    Quote: Altona
    In principle, I agree, but in practice this is a pure theory. It has nothing to do with it. If you do not have at least some advantage (in quality or quantity).
    And if by the term "weapon" you mean the WHOLE Aviation Complex (aircraft) and not just what it hangs on the pylons or in the "belly".

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    Why bring juggling with a karate and having a gun? It is incomprehensible ... This can be attributed both to theory and practice ... The indecisive shooter still will not shoot ...
    As for aviation and other things, tactics and applications ... That’s why the commander learned military literacy in order to correctly use his forces and means, reinforcing some components in the process with other components at his disposal ... Anti-aircraft artillery, jamming Well, and all that ...
    In 1941, I can only say one thing: in order not to oversleep it again, we stood by air assault groups from Vietnam to Germany until 1991 ... And if now we do not have such opportunities, then the Strategic Missile Forces, thank God for now ...
  23. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 16: 22
    -1
    Quote: vaf
    And if by the term "weapon" you mean the WHOLE Aviation Complex (aircraft) and not just what it hangs on the pylons or in the "belly".

    ---------------------------------
    What is it all about? If Eurofighter arrives to bomb us, then he still has no chance, he will be detected by our air defense in any way, and then he will be handed over to fighters and anti-aircraft gunners, who do not care what he has in tanks, pylons and broadband networks ... Fighters NATO can only be confident in a space that has been completely cleared of air defense means (recall Libya and Iraq) ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 8 December 2013 11: 10
      0
      I can tell the minuses one thing - what for then we build all sorts of "Voronezh" and S-400 complexes, if you do not believe in your own air defense? In your opinion, air defense and detection equipment exist separately, fighter planes exist separately and together they do not interact in any way? Sadly, sadly ... Do you naively believe that "knightly" battles will take place like in Richthofen's time? Eurofighter will fly out, meet it Su-27 and win a more "keen-sighted and long-range" ... The logic is generally outrageous ... About tanks, probably the same thinking ... Especially when you consider that NATO has always been distinguished by "chivalry" ... So far the last radar plate and the air defense missile system will not demolish, it will not calm down ... Because the ground air defense systems are several orders of magnitude higher than those of the aircraft, and having transmitted the target coordinates to the latter, it will not care, he is visible, invisible ... The enemy aircraft will be at gunpoint missiles and fighter-interceptors ... So kiss your Eurofighter on all the flaps!
  24. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2013 16: 29
    0
    Even "forcing Georgia" to remember ... I can’t throw stones at the actions of our aviation, whoever said what, since the counteraction of the enemy’s air defense with anti-aircraft missile systems was as active as possible ...
  25. Dimzel
    Dimzel 5 December 2013 19: 01
    0
    Europeans and Europe (except perhaps England) personally remind me of jesters, such associations. I think that the Russian government doesn’t take them very seriously: mongrels ... but, of course, we need to strengthen, this is undoubtedly, especially against the background of the growing power of our neighbor - China. We are more powerful, everything is cooler with us, but .... they are many times more! Something I think is not in the right place ... but America is also a reason for arming, yes! Better than China, friendly to us so far. We need to arm ourselves, and everyone needs it, and America, the poor thing, too needs to ... We could all live in a different way: not to fight, but to add salaries or allowances ... Why should the bucks be crap for killing, if you can even the same starving people, for example, in Africa to feed? To come up with vaccines and medicines, allocate money for this, a lot of money ... Well, I think that if someday after the Nuremberg trials someone is judged for the genocide of peoples, it will be the US government in its entirety and the governments of those NATO countries that supported the ideas of democratic states.
  26. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 6 December 2013 20: 46
    0
    The article amused, so the whole thing is on the plane? As in the old chauffeur's adage-: It wasn’t the bobbin ... ".