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Everything in the air is the enemy!

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War is too serious a thing to trust in the military
Talleyrand



At the beginning of full-scale hostilities in Karabakh in 1992, the balance of power between the parties to the armed conflict was not distributed evenly. In particular, during the division of weapons of parts of the former Armed Forces of the USSR located in these territories, almost all combat aviation went to Azerbaijan. Therefore, during the war, Azerbaijani aviation inflicted heavy damage on poorly equipped self-defense units of Karabakh. Azerbaijani aviation bombed Stepanakert with impunity, where by this time a large number of refugees from other areas of Karabakh had accumulated. Victims among civilians after such raids amounted to dozens of dead and wounded. The embittered attitude of Armenians towards Azerbaijani pilots was understandable. Anger from their own helplessness forced the Armenians to urgently develop their air defense. To do this, soon, somewhere were purchased MANPADS "Strela-2M" and more modern "Igla".

By the spring of 1992, Azerbaijanis had developed an offensive in the Shaumyan and Mardakert regions. In the air at any moment a pair of fighter-bombers could appear. As a rule, they came at a low altitude, and the roar of turbines was not heard. Only after, having thrown off a dangerous cargo and having scabreted, the planes went beyond the horizon, the late roar of their turbines reached.

Feed weapons, ammunition and food from Armenia to besieged Karabakh, flowed through the Lachin corridor. Sometimes the necessary goods were delivered from Yerevan by helicopters, which for the bright orange color were called “oranges”. For security reasons, before the next “orange” headed for Stepanakert, they warned from Yerevan: “Guys, the board flies to you. Take it.

The war went on as usual, and self-defense units had already learned how to shoot down enemy planes. In September alone, two aircraft were already shot down. The rage on the pilots merged with the Armenians with joy from luck.

What do you have to ask, “joy of luck”? In addition to moral satisfaction, at the expense of the captive pilot, it was possible to get around pretty well: as a rule, flight camouflage that was scarce at the time, that was in the pockets of that same camouflage, and ... of course, a weapon.

A particularly desirable gift from the downed pilot was an automatic gun APS.

In the course of “chewing up”, “disassembly” often occurred. Each participant in the destruction of the enemy's aircraft considered it his duty to intercept the palm from a neighbor. It happened like this:

- Uh, Aram! What are you saying?! While you were aiming at him, we shot this plane from a machine gun. Our camouflage!

- Uh, Gagik, you're probably sick. How could you shoot him down from a machine gun when I shot him from my machine gun and I saw exactly how the tracks pierced this plane. So take the pilot's shoes and rejoice. The rest is ours!

Everything in the air is the enemy!

Armenians sometimes like to boast, and I understand them, because he himself is eager for such tales, especially when there is a lull on the front and, therefore, terrible boredom. Maybe this is a bike, and when sharing the property of the downed pilot, there was no altercation in a similar tone, but one day ...

And what about one day? The Armenians themselves in one of the sections of the front told that they had shot down an enemy helicopter. However, they were so carried away by the division of the pilot's junk that the pilots, taking advantage of the pause and, apparently deciding not to disturb the guys from sharing the trophies, slowly crawled off to the side and ... only saw them.

It is understandable. It is easier for pilots to part with expensive American shoes and brand new blued APS than with their heads. I don’t understand one thing: why did pilots need condoms in their pockets, which Armenians shared with the same ecstasy. Probably a red herring, however.

After the aircraft, shot down by Karabakh Armenians, fell to the neighboring mountain and the pilot descended from heaven to the sinful earth by parachute, these same sinners were already waiting for him. The rifle butts rained down like hail on the pilot's body, which had previously been freed from camouflage. It is understandable, the abrasions will grow, and camouflage is a good thing and requires special care. Therefore, every pilot from the downed aircraft was expected with great lust.

In the second half of the year in Armenia, they forked out and acquired the MiG. There was only one truth for now. Big, beautiful and formidable, he instilled confidence in a quick victory and filled his chest with childish joy at the thought: “Well, we will show them!” To begin with, the Armenian pilot decided to show “proud as an eagle bird” in Karabakh. Bombs on hangers, turbines launched. With a short runway, including the afterburner, the plane soared into the sky and headed for warring Karabakh.

As mentioned above, every time an aircraft was sent to Stepanakert, a warning cipher was sent. And then there was some kind of failure. Perhaps the person responsible for the alert, after the plane tore off the landing gear from the take-off, remained standing with its mouth open. However, the fact remains that Stepanakert was not notified.

The Armenian pilot was at the helm, whose chest was also overwhelmed with delight. He apparently decided to share it with the residents of Stepanakert, whom he flew to defend. However, this feeling was not experienced by anti-aircraft gunners who defended the city from the encroachment of airy adversaries.

The plane famously went in a circle, dropping and shedding speed. Homes and even small buildings are already clearly visible ... But for some reason people ran downstairs! The market underneath it instantly became empty.


The next moment, the pilot must have remembered poorly. Blow and all that precedes the destruction of the aircraft and the transformation of the "proud bird" into a pile of twisted metal. Catapult worked flawlessly. A moment later, the crash of an open parachute rang over his head. They were waiting for him at the bottom. Surely one of the anti-aircraft gunners was already wondering about the size of camouflage coming down to him from the sky, when this “camouflage” suddenly began furiously cursing in Armenian. Armenian anti-aircraft gunners also know how to swear, but here ... some kind of "camouflage" is trying to insult their national dignity. This is where the pilot made a blunder. They didn’t even take off their flight overalls, which in itself was already a deviation from the usual procedure. The anger overwhelmed the anti-aircraft gunners so much that they did not have time to see the emblem sewn on the pilot's sleeve - the Armenian flag.

- Oh, you bastard! You also swear in Armenian!

What happened next is better to omit. I can only say: the condition of the downed pilot was such that he urgently had to be sent to Yerevan, to the Michaelian clinic.

Having figured out what was happening, that the pilot was his own, the anti-aircraft gunners were guiltily justified on the principle: "You are a fool!"

And after a while in Yerevan, apparently, the person in charge of the notification of the dispatch of aircraft recollected himself:

- Guys, there our plane flies to you. You do not shoot him down!
- B ....... yo ...... n ........ s ... ... ...
“And we shot him down for about ten minutes ...”
But!

Karabakh 1992 year
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  1. Aristocrat
    Aristocrat 7 December 2013 08: 07
    16
    Tale from the people:) Fun and easy told :)
    However, in reality, they did this with the pilots ... And how else when you, your children are bombed and torn to shreds and you clench your fists in the trench in impotent rage ... And when this "bastard" was still shot down ...
    Then I think it's not worth writing ...
    1. Heccrbq.3
      Heccrbq.3 7 December 2013 10: 38
      +4
      You can remove tooth enamel with a file.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 7 December 2013 11: 06
      -2
      Quote: Aristocrat
      However, in practice, they did this with pilots.

      2 pilots were captured .... according to the Armenians, one remained to serve their unions .. so that he was still the head of the airport in Khankendi ... and about the second they gave info that he allegedly hanged himself in the cell .. they were Ukrainians .... served in Pumping ....
      Well, the most legendary pilot was Konstantin Virtsev .. his name was Kostya .. he was shot down three times .. and each time he left the encirclement ... once he made a raft and went down the terter river ... and the second time he carried out a special .operation ... penetrated 30 km deep into the enemy .. one armored group and found it ....
      On the evening of July 25, 1992, in the area of ​​the settlement of Maniklu, an Azerbaijani military plane was shot down under the control of the pilot of the Azerbaijani Air Force Virtsev Konstantin Borisovich. Then the pilots were worth their weight in gold, and Konstantin Virtsev had already managed to distinguish himself several times during the conduct of hostilities and gain the respect of his comrades with his fearlessness. So, during the battles for Heyvali (Drmbon) on July 09.07.92, 6, he bombed a column of Armenian armored vehicles consisting of XNUMX infantry fighting vehicles.
      On the evening of July 27, 1992, Konstantin Virtsev already celebrated his wonderful salvation in the restaurant of Ruslan Rzayev (Zobik) in Ganja.
      Konstantin Virtsev died in December 1993 during a flyby on the MiGs newly enrolled in the Air Force at the airfield at Nasosnaya.
      Nazim Bayramov was introduced to the title of "National Hero", but never received it.
      Many participants in this unique operation are still alive.
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  2. 31231
    31231 7 December 2013 08: 46
    +9
    Another topic of the Armenian-Azerbaijani srach?
  3. makarov
    makarov 7 December 2013 09: 15
    +1
    That confirms international wisdom: - Beat your own, so that strangers would be afraid ...
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 7 December 2013 13: 20
      20
      Quote: makarov
      That confirms international wisdom: - Beat your own, so that strangers would be afraid ...

      You know, as a child I read a book by T. Shashlo "Stronger than Life". A book (or rather, not a large book) about the Great Patriotic War, about a tank crew. In the Sotava-Ukrainian, Russian, Armenian and Azeri. People saved each other, went to death together , carried a wounded comrade on them ... Ate from the same pot. So I think, well, where did this hatred between nations come from? Who raised it so carefully? Is it really necessary for ordinary people? Is it really so happy in my soul if I managed to kill a neighbor family? All the same, Stalin was right, by force extinguishing conflicts and reconciling peoples. After all, on both sides, ordinary people with their quite understandable and simple human desires. And I think that these desires do not initially include cutting out the entire the neighbor's people to their knees. Where does this arrogance come from, this unwillingness to see the same person in the representative of another people? And is this mutual hatred forever? I would like to hope that this is not so ...
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 14: 43
        +8
        Quote: revnagan
        . Where does this arrogance come from, this unwillingness to see the same person in the representative of another people?

        Answer: national "elites". That drunk Elson yelled from the balcony to the "democrats" who applauded him? "GRAB YOUR INDEPENDENCE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN SWALLOW." The call of the bastard did not remain in vain. One of the reasons for the "painless" collapse of the USSR was the support of hidden nationalists for Gorbachev's "process has begun."
      2. Motors1991
        Motors1991 7 December 2013 18: 08
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        In 1988 and 1989, my wife and I were treated in Naftalan, in 1988 no one understood what was happening. When I was in the queue, an Azerbaijani and an Armenian sat in the bathroom and they said: We don’t understand, it’s done, we are ordinary people, we have nothing to share .A year later, we again visited Naftalan, the Armenians were already evicted when I asked a question to an Azerbaijani, notice to the teacher where the Armenians told me: show the mine to an Armenian, I’ll light it. And it all started with a small one, someone would steal someone a flock of sheep, the watchman will be beaten, then they started to kill and away we go. Now the same thing happens in Ukraine, the East and West are poisoned and the jerks are ready to kill each other for the sake of someone's higher interests. The same thing between Russia and Ukraine, it would seem half in Ukraine residents have relatives in Russia and vice versa, but pay attention to how much hatred is in many comments on both sides, and if you had met in life you probably wouldn’t have repeated the nasty things that are written on the Internet. And you wonder where it comes from, it comes from here, and Who- then quietly sits on the sidelines and throws firewood into the fire, so as not to go out.
  4. Bongo
    Bongo 7 December 2013 09: 24
    +7
    For this purpose, in a short time somewhere, the Strela-2М and the more modern “Needle” were purchased.

    What kind of "political correctness, or is it a secret for someone who supported Armenia in this conflict?"
  5. Ascetic
    Ascetic 7 December 2013 09: 55
    10
    Anger from their own helplessness forced the Armenians to urgently develop their air defense. For this, in the near future, Strela-2M MANPADS and more modern Igla were purchased somewhere.

    By the spring of 1992, Azerbaijanis developed an offensive in the Shaumyan and Mardakert regions. A pair of fighter-bombers could appear in the air at any moment. As a rule, they entered at a low altitude, and the hum of the turbines was not heard. Only after, having thrown off a dangerous cargo and having fabricated, the aircraft went beyond the horizon, did the belated roar of their turbines reach.


    His first combat aircraft (attack aircraft SU = 25) Azerbaijanis got April 8 1992 was hijacked by senior lieutenant Vagif Bakhtiyar-oglu Kurbanov from the Sital-Chai airfield, where the 80th Separate Assault Air Regiment was based. With the help of two of his compatriots: lieutenant Mammadov’s aircraft technician and warrant officer Kuliev’s aircraft mechanic, the pilot prepared the attack aircraft for flight and flew to Yevlakh civil airfield, from where a month later began to make combat sorties. Starting May 8, the Su-25 regularly bombed Karabakh.
    It was on May 8th that it was not the Azerbaijanis who launched the offensive, but the Armenians launched an attack on the Azerbaijani city of Shusha. Which was located 11 km from Stepanakert, from where the Armenians were fired primarily by the City and suffered heavy losses,
    On the same day, May 8, 4 Azerbaijani Mi-24s fired at Stepanakert with NURSami. Two helicopters attacked the villages of Murishen, Avdur, Krasny Bazar and Norshen (Martuninsky district). Presumably Su-25 Kurbanova was attacked by a Russian military helicopter, which was piloted by Major Alexander Gorchakov. According to this officer, his helicopter flew above the clouds and he had no doubt that only an air opponent could attack him. Azerbaijani helicopters attacked the Shosh village on May 9, and the attack aircraft Vagif Kurbanov intercepted and knocked out an Armenian Yak-40, transporting the wounded from Stepanakert. Developing the offensive, the Armenians reached the city of Lachin and 18 May They took it by storm, breaking the blockade and creating the so-called "Lachin corridor" connecting Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. This strategic success caused a new surge of Azerbaijani aviation strikes on the cities and villages of Karabakh - on that day the Su-25 bombed the city of Martuni four times. Kurbanov's actions were also supported by helicopter pilots.
    So there were no fighter-bombers near Azerbaijan in 1992. there wasn’t, at least until June, before the official transfer of arms of the 4th combined arms army to Azerbaijan
    (according to the directive of the Russian Ministry of Defense dated June 22, 1992 ╧ 314 (3) 022, 237 tanks, 325 armored combat vehicles, 204 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, as well as 170 gun mounts, including "Grads" were transferred to Azerbaijan)

    By June 1, 1992 Armenia received 54 tanks, 40 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, as well as 50 guns. The capture of the Lachin corridor made it possible to transfer this equipment to Karabakh, where before that the Armenians had only a few combat vehicles captured from the 366th regiment and the Azerbaijani OMON, as well as a couple of makeshift armored cars.
    On June 13, the SU-25 Kurbanov was shot down and died. The pilot was posthumously awarded the highest Azerbaijani award - the title of "National Hero of Azerbaijan". It was only later that the events began in Nasosnaya and Dallar, after which Azerbaijan's aviation increased its combat power.
    But in the spring of 1992. there was no talk of any bombers yet1.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 7 December 2013 10: 27
      14
      In general, myths about the military operations of that period are heaped up as much as there are eastern tales of Scheherazade, the information war went worse than in Syria. For example, the Armenians reported on a pile of downed helicopters and planes, and the Azerbaijanis reported how Armenian tanks famously crushed class R-25 thermal missiles on MiG-60PD interceptors. air-to-air.I can hardly imagine how tanks and infantry fighting vehicles were searched for in the mountains and rough terrain on a high-speed interceptor with an elongated hull with almost no bottom view, while the GOS missiles were sharpened by a hot nozzle of an airplane and it is still unknown whether it can capture the heat of a working engine of a tank, And if a tank motionless and in cover? There are many questions in all these stories.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 December 2013 10: 46
        -8
        Quote: Ascetic
        AK on MiG-25PD interceptors famously crushed Armenian tanks with thermal

        and what was left to do .. in my native Pumping Station there were these MIGs ... it was thanks to them that I managed to stop the attack of 94years of Armenians at the end of April ... well, not with rockets .. yes even with hanging bombs ... we had them as much as you want. ..
        by the way about the Su-24 .... the very first one our ensigns removed from the monument, that is, the pedestal ..... no one believed .. but they put him in order and he fought well ... it was later received in June 92 7 reconnaissance Su-24.s Dallar .... the regiment commander gave the command to take off and everyone dumped in Russia ... our ensigns at least late, but blocked the GDP with BTO cars .. and they got us like this .....
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    2. smersh70
      smersh70 7 December 2013 10: 41
      -6
      Quote: Ascetic
      Kurbanov died. posthumously pilot was awarded the highest Azerbaijani award

      .... despite his youth, he became a legend of this war .. by the way, neither the Armenians found his body .. neither ours .... only in the early 2000s. through a court, his wife managed to make him missing. ... and establish the mighty .... recently, for some reason we have little to remember him .... being at the front himself, through operational sources I was looking for the place where the plane crashed .... he was warned many times, not to enter the columns .. ..but in his last dreams ... noticed a column and led his plane on it ... a true patriot was ... another would have gone quietly from the column ... but he is not ...... hi
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 7 December 2013 10: 58
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        Quote: smersh70
        despite his youth, he became the legend of this war .. by the way, neither the Armenians found his body .. nor ours .... only in the early 2000s. through the court, his wife managed to make him missing .... and establish Mogida .... recently, for some reason I remember him a little


        Armenians claim that three Su-25s were shot down by the end of August 1992. Azerbaijan recognized the loss of two aircraft in June-July and another Armenians shot down on August 20, the MiG-25 of Yuri Belichenko. The first two SU-25 pilots were considered dead
        According to the commander of the ZU-23-2, a Russian mercenary, at sunset
        he personally shot down guns with fire one of two low-flying Azerbaijani Su-24s-there should be two pilots on the Su-24. !!! trying to destroy the annoying D-30 howitzer battery. Due to the rapid onset of darkness, the search for the pilot was organized only the next morning. In the mountains they found only a parachute, an armchair, and a few kilometers away - the wreckage of an exploding plane. According to information received from prisoners and later confirmed by Yuri Belichenko, the pilot managed to catapult and, using an inflatable raft, go down the river to Azerbaijani territory. According to the prisoners, the pilot of this aircraft was a Russian lieutenant colonel who had fought in Afghanistan before.
        In general, all these stories are dark and inconsistencies and fables above the roof. It is difficult in the chaos and mess of that time to figure out who died where and how.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 7 December 2013 11: 25
          -6
          Quote: Ascetic
          three downed Su-25

          2 L-39s were shot down ... in appearance they resemble the Su-25 .... so they took for them ... and so they lost about 11 vehicles during the war ....
          1. alone
            alone 7 December 2013 12: 28
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            2 L-39s were shot down ... in appearance they resemble the Su-25 .... so they took for them ... and so they lost about 11 vehicles during the war ....


            Vurgun! one of the shot down was l-29. it was shot down in the Fizuli direction. yes, and we didn’t have so many su-25s, the Sitalchay regiment of attack aircraft was practically sent to Russia, and what we didn’t manage to withdraw was simply dropped into the abyss and destroyed. they were forced to equip L-ki for attack aircraft. And as an attack aircraft, L-ki were weak in terms of protection. From general it was possible to shoot down with small arms.
  6. smersh70
    smersh70 7 December 2013 10: 53
    -4
    where before that the Armenians had only a few combat vehicles captured from the 366th regiment and the Azerbaijani OMON, as well as a couple of makeshift armored cars.
    Ascetic....
    2 battalion 366 regiments. Headed now by the Minister of Defense S. Oganyan and part 1 of the battalion ... did not obey the orders of Shaposhnikov. rebelled and refused to redeploy to Russia ... there were about 100 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles ....
    then they blocked the road to Agdam and Shusha .. and even had a fight with the rest of the units of their own regiment ... the regiment could not break through and asked for help from Moscow .. 2 Mi-26s were thrown to the aid .. and the 345VDD units ... they blocked Ohanyan ... put down his firing points ... and took the helicopters to Ganja ... so it’s a myth that the Armenians fought at the beginning with Berdanks ... and they took everything from us .... they started this mess purposefully and prepared thoroughly .... the question is still unclear ... how did it happen that the bulk of the Armenian officers received orders in the late 86th and early 88th to transfer them to the 366th regiment stationed in Khankendi .... Ohanyan himself served in 86 in Germany ... in a platoon he had 15 Azerbaijanis from Agdam ... they just beat him there even when soldiers ... my friend served in his platoon ...
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 7 December 2013 11: 17
      +7
      Quote: smersh70
      The question is still unclear ... how did it happen that the bulk of the Armenian officers received orders at the end of the 86th and beginning of 88th to transfer them to the 366th regiment stationed in Khankendi ..


      There are so-called unspoken orders and instructions from the higher command in the army, which, as a rule, are not formalized in orders and directives. "Telephone policy" For example, in 1990. When he was sent to Minsk to select replenishment, he received orders not to select Jewish conscripts in military registration and enlistment offices (apparently, the issues of admission to state secrets, coupled with mass immigration, led to such a decision), but you will not find any written instructions on this matter anywhere. So as they say, believe it or not. The issue of the transfer of Armenian officers was also decided ... Everything went for sure from the very top through the "turntables of government communications. I touched on this topic recently about the role of Gorbachev and his advisors in this matter."
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 December 2013 11: 28
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        Everything went for sure from the very top through the "turntables of government communications. I touched on this a bit recently about the role of Gorbachev and his advisers in this matter.


        Class ... I wanted to touch on this topic ... came up to it)) You got ahead .. of course, this tagged one as I recently said in Istanbul .. everything beforehand and planned to build up your wife ..... be damned .. am sometimes I don’t believe in conspiracies .... but not in this case .. I fully worked out the CIA plan .. and they hit in the weakest place of the USSR-international ....
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 7 December 2013 12: 03
        +6
        In the 80-90s, the influence of the Armenian lobby surrounded by Gorbachev was very strong, plus Gorbachev himself, who received almost unlimited power, saw his real competitor in Heydar Aliyev. I well remember those times as a member of the Politburo, Aliyev was especially heard in the epic of construction BAM. Gorbachev understood the situation so that party functionaries dissatisfied with his politics and the purge of the Central Committee and the Politburo would begin to group around Aliyev, who had considerable authority and an independent position. The same fox Shevarnadze, who also entered the Politburo and wanted to sit Aliyev, and in order to remove Aliyev, Gorbachev charged him the disruption of the construction of the Baikal-Amur Mainline, the academic ideologist of which was exactly academician Abel Aganbegyan. Which still lives and lectures at Russian universities.Not a single major economic decision of the Politburo took place without his participation. And he, of course, possessed key information on the country's economy.BAM Aliyev got the “inheritance” when Andropov ordered him to “put things in order in transport”, and Aliyev traveled the entire highway along which the BAM was built, and did a lot to revive the construction. Already while in Baku, Aliyev said that after a trip to BAM, he wrote a report in the name of Gorbachev with his proposals, which he successfully “buried”.
        Aganbegyan did not conceal his position on Karabakh when, literally a week later, he spoke out in defense of Karabakh’s accession to Armenia. Watch Aliyev filmed on October 21, 1987 and on November 16, a performance in Paris.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 7 December 2013 12: 13
          +4
          Politburo of the Central Committee: 1986-1990
          6 March 1986 city
          The Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, elected by the XNUMXth Congress of the CPSU, approved the Politburo of the Central Committee as part of:
          Politburo members
          M.S. Gorbachev G.A. Aliev IN AND. Vorotnikov, A.A. Gromyko, L.N. Zaykov, D.A. Kunaev, E.K. Ligachev, N.I. Ryzhkov, M.S. Solomentsev, V.M. Chebrikov, E.A. Shevardnadze, V.V. Scherbitsky.
          Politburo Candidates
          P.N. Demichev, V.I. Dolgikh, B.N. Yeltsin, N.N. Slyunkov, S.L. Sokolov, Yu.F. Soloviev, N.V. Talyzin.
          Chronology of compositional changes:
          28 January 1987 g. Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected candidate member of the Politburo of the Central Committee A.N. Yakovleva. Plenary session released D.A. Kunaeva from the duties of a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee in connection with his retirement.
          26th of June 1987 Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU transferred from candidates to members of the Politburo of the Central Committee N.N. Slyunkova, A.N. Yakovleva; elected V.P. a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee Nikonov; D. P. was elected as a candidate member of the Politburo of the Central Committee. Yazova. From the duties of a candidate member of the Politburo was released S.L. Sokolov in connection with his retirement.
          21th of October 1987 Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU released G.A. Aliyev from the duties of a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee in connection with his retirement due to health reasons.
          18 February 1988 city The Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected Yu.D. Maslyukova, G.P. Razumovsky. Plenum released B.N. Yeltsin from the duties of a candidate member of the Politburo of the Central Committee.
          30 September 1988 g. The plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected V.A. as a member of the Politburo Medvedev; candidates for membership in the Politburo of the Central Committee - A.V. Vlasova, A.P. Biryukov and A.I. Lukyanova. Plenum granted the request A.A. Gromyko and relieved him of his duties as a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. In connection with his retirement, the Plenum relieved MS of a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee from his duties. Solomentseva, from the duties of a candidate member of the Politburo V.I. Long, from the duties of a candidate for membership in the Politburo of the Central Committee P.N. Demicheva.
          20 September 1989 g. The plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected V.A. a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee Kryuchkova and transferred from candidates to members of the Politburo of the Central Committee Yu.D. Maslyukova. E.M. were elected candidates for membership in the Politburo of the Central Committee. Primakov and B.K. Pugo. Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU relieved members of the Politburo of V.P. Nikonova, V.M. Chebrikova and V.V. Shcherbitsky in connection with their applications for retirement. Yu.F. was relieved of the duties of candidates for members of the Politburo Soloviev and N.V. Talyzin in connection with retirement.
          9th of December 1989 The plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU elected V.A. a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee Ivashko.
          For the period from 1985-1990. Gorbachev fired all those who worked with him under Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko — all those who voted for him when he was elected Secretary General. Having come to power, Gorbachev dismissed 110 members of the Central Committee, almost a third of its membership, updated the power apparatus: the Central Committee - by 70, the secretariat - by 80, the Politburo - by 60, the Cabinet of Ministers - by 90%.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 7 December 2013 12: 19
            +5
            Chernyaev A.S. in his book "Diary of the Assistant to the President of the USSR", in the first chapter, “On the Potholes of Perestroika,” October 9, 1988 writes:
            “On Friday, Gorbachev called me and Shakhnazarov (Assistant Secretary General Gorbachev). He kissed him on the occasion of his 64th birthday. We talked about the upcoming trip to the UN, at the same time - to Cuba and London. It was like “taking” Kvitsinsky as head of the International Department of the Central Committee instead of Dobrynin. And suddenly he broke through about Karabakh. He stood up against us, sitting, and said: “I want humanly, not to get into the blood, to start talking with each other ... There is a corrupt audience. Demirchyan gathers his own, mobilize his own in Baku, and Armenian intellectuals went bankrupt: after all, they cannot offer anything, nothing that would lead to a solution. But I myself do not know the solution. If I knew, I would not have reckoned with any regulations, nor with what is, what has already happened, etc., but I don’t know! ” Then he recalled the Aliyev case. Digging, says, and the case seems to be formed cleaner Rashidovsky "

            A person who has full power in a superpower, which, for decision making, is flocked with information from all over the world, does not know how to solve the problem in his state, and this is reported only to one side - Armenian, which means - decide for yourself! The fact that Shakhnazarov immediately reported this conversation through his channels to the Armenian side can only be doubted by a person very far from politics.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 7 December 2013 15: 01
          -1
          Quote: Ascetic
          See Aliyev filmed on October 21, 1987 and on November 16, a performance in Paris.


          ... and you, Ascetic .... own the information .. oyoya good laughing after all, many forget this very performance after the removal of Aliyev ... and what it has poured into .... and the ignorant people speak of some kind of struggle of the people of Karabakh ... reunion ... and all such nonsense ....
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 7 December 2013 15: 27
            +4
            Quote: smersh70
            after all, many forget this very performance after the removal of Aliyev ... and what it merged into


            I myself only found in the BBC archive and the link to the presentation itself does not work, there is only a date and a brief summary of what I called for, etc.
            Karabakh: Chronology of Conflict

            18 October

            A demonstration in Yerevan in protest of incidents with the Armenian population of the village of Chardakhlu, north of Karabakh.
            21 October

            Heydar Aliyev removed from the Politburo.

            16 November

            Advisor to the President of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev Abel Aganbegyan, speaking in Paris, spoke out in defense of the accession of Karabakh to Armenia.

            link
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 7 December 2013 15: 48
              +5
              An interesting point.
              In June 1992 Azerbaijan’s offensive begins .12 June Shaumyan district taken, July 4 Mardarkert
              on September 1
              Azerbaijani forces took the village of Srhavend. Almost half of Nagorno-Karabakh is under their control.


              And right there
              24 October
              Congress passed 907th amendment to the Freedom Support Act, prohibiting US government assistance to Azerbaijan.


              I do not draw any conclusions, but I wonder why, as the advantage was on the Armenian side, the states did not impose sanctions on Azerbaijan. As soon as the situation began to change in the opposite direction, this amendment was introduced. So the conflict was initially beneficial to them, and the longer the better for them, as they are doing now in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and in Turkey, they tried. Plus, probably at that time the states also had a very Armenian lobby.
              1. alone
                alone 7 December 2013 16: 20
                +5
                Quote: Ascetic
                . as soon as the situation began to change in the opposite direction, we introduced this amendment. So the conflict was initially beneficial to them, and the longer the better for them, as they are doing now in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and in Turkey, they tried. Plus, probably at that time the states also had a very Armenian lobby.


                This conflict is beneficial to all major political players. They skillfully manipulate the parties to the conflict. Moreover, this conflict really hinders the development of the region. Two people de jure and de facto became hostages of political games.
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 7 December 2013 23: 53
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        For example, in 1990 when he was sent to select replenishment in Minsk


        but by chance in the summer of 88 did not come to Minsk .... maybe you took me there .... fellow good
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 8 December 2013 01: 41
          +1
          Quote: smersh70
          but by chance in the summer of 88 did not come to Minsk .... maybe you took me there ...

          From 1988 to 1990 and 1991
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  8. gorsten79
    gorsten79 7 December 2013 11: 05
    +8
    It hurts to read when the citizens of a once united country write about their victories or defeats. "The offensive of the Armenians", "Azerbaijani aviation." And especially, "the regiment commander gave the command to take off and everyone dumped into Russia ... our warrant officers, even though late, but they blocked the GDP with BTO cars .. and they got to us like that .. "The war on the territory of the former USSR is our common grief.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 7 December 2013 11: 29
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      Quote: gorsten79
      .. "The war on the territory of the former USSR is our common grief.

      I agree ... but what was left to do when 3 comrades got together and decided our destinies ... it was necessary on time and at that time to think about the consequences ..... and after their decisions .... it was left to defend our garden ... our house .... help wait nowhere was ..... everyone was busy with their own affairs .. dry ......
  9. alone
    alone 7 December 2013 11: 14
    +1
    A good story about the armada of Azerbaijani fighter bombers. In general, the Karabakh war is reminiscent of the Trojan War, where there is very little truth and so much bragging and lies.
    At the beginning of full-scale hostilities in Karabakh in 1992, the balance of power between the parties to the armed conflict was not distributed evenly. In particular, during the division of weapons of parts of the former Armed Forces of the USSR located in these territories, almost all combat aircraft went to Azerbaijan.

    this proposal alone is enough to understand that, the author continues to develop the theme of fairy tales.
    full-scale hostilities began after November 1991, and not 1992. By May 1992, the Armenians already had at their disposal all the equipment of the 2nd SME of the 366th regiment, as well as all the tanks and artillery. the fact of transferring all military property and equipment of the regiment of the explosives in Stepanakert is known. So, to say that the parties did not have a parity of lies! We started receiving equipment in May 1992, when the corridor was already open and the Armenians also drove the received equipment in Karabakh.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 7 December 2013 11: 31
      -1
      Quote: lonely
      this equipment of the 2nd SME of the 366th regiment, as well as all tanks and artillery. In addition, the fact of transferring all military equipment and equipment of the explosive regiment was known


      .plus completely crossed all the weapons and equipment of the Gadrut Border Detachment, guarding the Soviet-Iranian border .......
  10. Victor Alekseev
    Victor Alekseev 7 December 2013 14: 55
    +3
    and plus was collected and taken out in January 1992. weapons with 545ORLR
  11. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 15: 02
    +4
    Anecdote: Question to "Armenian Radio" - "Why are Armenians better than Georgians?" Without hesitation "AR" gave the answer: "Than the Georgians."
    And if it's no joke, then only J.V. Stalin was able to overcome for a while the "komchvanstvo" of shtetl (local, local, local, local, etc.) aces. Why, 50 years after the death of the Great Man, with unclean and unclean thoughts, a shudder goes through at the mere mention of J.V. Stalin.
  12. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 7 December 2013 17: 22
    0
    , Armenians, suckers, Azerbaijanis are lucky, the phrase about sharing the inheritance of the USSR touches the phrase))) And the fact that the villains like Azerbaijanis gained dominance in the air and heroic Armenians conquered the Karabakh to them, everything is kind of stupid and superficial. stated, minus.
    1. alone
      alone 7 December 2013 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      , Armenians, suckers, Azerbaijanis are lucky, the phrase about sharing the inheritance of the USSR touches the phrase))) And the fact that the villains like Azerbaijanis gained dominance in the air and heroic Armenians conquered the Karabakh to them, everything is kind of stupid and superficial. stated, minus.


      The most important thing is that they write such tales and believe in what they write. But in reality they are not at all interesting.
  13. Vova Vartanov
    Vova Vartanov 7 December 2013 20: 54
    0
    The article is not bad, perky. In terms of information content, it’s quite suitable for those who don’t know. As for the comments, I will leave unanswered ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 7 December 2013 23: 20
      -5
      Quote: Vova Vartanov
      As for the comments, I will leave unanswered ...

      right .. silence is gold ..... because there is nothing to answer the comments ..... visitors all clearly and cool put in place all the events ..... suckers here that you stupefied like in the early 90s more no. bully .. serious and smart people are gathered here ...... hi
      1. Vova Vartanov
        Vova Vartanov 8 December 2013 01: 37
        0
        Of course, you are all "not drugged", not like "those who are in the 90s. And of course all the commentators are serious and intelligent, and most importantly, MANY OF THEM ARE EXCELLENTLY AWARE!
  14. Black
    Black 7 December 2013 22: 44
    +5
    Article- a rare goon !!!!
  15. Earnest
    Earnest 8 December 2013 08: 08
    0
    The author's goal is to throw poop on a fan. The repost of the "soldier" in 1999 does not provide for anything else, it would be a topical topic, or "but I remember, once ..." - I would treat it with respect, but here it is obvious picking at the wounds. Fat troll, natsdepovskiy.
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 8 December 2013 19: 20
    0
    I remember how, by coincidence, we recaptured about 200 NURs from the guards, and they had no security — 3 people, they did not wait. Yes, and our superiors consulted with Moscow for a very long time. What they could not think of. Because then it didn’t even occur that the former republics would go to war. These were the first harbingers of the war, of course everyone understood that this could happen but did not believe.
  17. UmaR
    UmaR 8 December 2013 23: 35
    +1
    All the same, I wonder why the pilots had condoms in their pockets ... wassat
  18. Penek
    Penek 9 December 2013 22: 36
    -1
    Quote: UmaR
    All the same, I wonder why the pilots had condoms in their pockets ... wassat

    They are greased ..
  19. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 9 December 2013 22: 41
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    Quote: Penek
    Quote: UmaR
    All the same, I wonder why the pilots had condoms in their pockets ... wassat

    They are greased ..

    As one famous TV presenter-survival specialist said: "A condom should be in the pocket of every real man. At least in the taiga, heat water over a fire." wink